I’m really glad to see you pushing the comparison between 5.56 and 6mm Max because that is the real battle. 6mm Max vs 6mm ARC is not and is a trap that too many people are falling into. If 6mm Max is to have a real chance at success it needs to be a 5.56 replacement not a 6mm ARC replacement. 6mm Max gives you the same capacity, the same durability plus better ballistics than 5.56. It basically gives you everything 5.56 does plus most of what 6mm ARC does without the downsides of 6mm ARC. The fact that the first barrels that are available chambered in 6mm Max are SPR profile barrels might be a misstep. The 10.3”-16” M4 or continuous taper profile barrels would have been better to start with because it frames the argument out of the gate as “6mm Max is the M4 improved”. Having the first barrels available be SPR profile makes too many people think of the 6mm Max vs 6mm ARC comparison and in an “SPR” only role the 6mm ARC might have an edge because of its lighter firing schedule and bullets with a little higher BC. My intent is for my first 6mm Max upper to be a 14.5” URGI improved ;-). Can’t wait until I can get that barrel.
Spot on! After showing the results with the 10.5 I can image spinning on up on a 12.5 or 14.5. Bullet weight would be key but I think this cartridge can fill many roles. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
@@Dexter-nw2fe with an “SPR” the assumption is that you will not be doing mag dumps or full auto bursts hence the “lighter” firing schedule than a regular combat rifle where those would be more common. Think MK12 vs M4 or MK18.
We are building our first 6mm Max as i write this. Our first two rifles are 20" barrels on AR15s not battle rifles , our hope is to have long range capabilities with 103 gr. bullets. 1000 yards out to a mile will be a must cant wait to see it perform . As to BC Precision these men are fantastic !! They are very personal i have been called back several times after leaving questions. No Ai booshit no computer recorded booshit . Good old american patriot businesses men !! God bless them , and God bless America
It's always seemed strange to me that all these AR-15 improvement calibers that have come out focus on specifically the long range side of the equation. .224 Valk, 6 ARC, to some degree 6.5 Grendal, sure they perform well at 1000+ yards and that's great. But realistically, if you're going to be hauling around a 20" barrel small frame AR, you're still going to have acceptable performance at 1000 with 77 SMK, and you'll have ammunition commonality with most other rifles used. The biggest advantage and the area where the greatest gains can be had, IMO, is exactly what you're showcasing here. The capacity for a compact, lightweight, suppressed SBR to perform comparably to a 20" 5.56 rifle. A 14.5" or 16" 6.5 CM AR-10 is great for the 1000+ yard ranges before you get to bolt gun territory. The real niche for 6 MAX that I think it does phenomenally at is acting as a direct 1 to 1 replacement for 5.56, doing everything a 5.56 rifle can do, but better, smaller, and more accurately.
77gr 5.56 is already pretty anemic at 400yds, let alone 600-1000yds. You can’t hear or see it hit the steel much of the time out here in the West. On a calm day with no winds, sure, but we don’t get many of those. I have these 12” popper steel targets with heavy bases, but they allow the plates to rock from impact. Even at 300yds, 5.56 doesn’t move them, whereas 6.5 Grendel rocks the plates pretty hard. As you go down in projectile weight, the performance on-target diminishes, even with 6 Dasher. I agree about replacement for 5.56 though. If I could go back in time, I would have had Stoner, Jim Sullivan, and Robert Fremont start out with a case that held more propellant and a bigger bore than .224” for the AR-15, although Fort Benning and the SCHV proponents were looking for .22 cal at really high speeds in the 3400-3600fps region.
@@LRRPFco52 Oh yeah, for shooting steel in particular, .223 kinda sucks. Mass is the major factor there. I just think that when we're accounting for all the things people normally do with a new wonder caliber, from self defense to hunting to military fantasy football, the difference in performance isn't so stark in longer barrel lengths for that to be the selling point for most people. That's what confuses me about the marketing for so many of these calibers, it usually focuses on being able to get that 1000 yard performance from a longer barrel setup. For a lot of people, a carbine length AR-10 would likely be a stronger contender for their time and money if the ~1000 yard space is what they need a setup for. On the other hand, advertise that your 10.3 SBR/"Pistol" can have all the power of your buddies' M16? That'd be enough to sell most people on a new home defense setup even if they didn't feel any pressing need for one. Wholeheartedly agree with your last point. The domestic and international politics regarding the 60's and 70's were a horrible mess that caused a lot of strange decisions with regards to arms adoptions. A lot of the intermediate cartridges suggested around that era had loads of promise, if only they took off. Especially the 6mm and 6.5mm experiments.
@@KeterMalkuth They did the SCHV Rifle submissions in 1957. Army Ordnance Board who developed the M14 had Stoner chasing different engineering studies with larger cases in the AR-15 to keep him chasing his tail while they pushed the throttle on trying to get the M-14 standardized and adopted before anyone else could see the AR-15. Those slightly-larger cartridge designs would have been similar to some of the chamberings we've seen over the past 20 years in the AR-15.
Oh heck yes! Love this content! I went (not related comment) into Cabelas a couple days ago and saw H4350 for sale at $65/lb. That makes my 6.5C cost about .$83/round. Any cartridge I own has to be reloadable to keep the cost down. I love the 6max performance. What a great time to be a gun nut!!
You aint kidding. I was expecting it to be frisky. Wasn't disappointed. Imagine popping that off in a hallway on full auto... Even ear pro isn't going to save you from that thing.
@@Caoimhin777 That's all Hornady Doppler Radar data for the 103gr ELD-X showing supersonic reach, drop and drift for each barrel length. The speeds remind me of 123gr 6.5mm in Grendel, which has more ft-lbs of energy on-target. One difference is 20" Grendel is typically around 2550fps mv with 123gr, but will do 2700-2820fps with 107gr. My 12" Grendel does 2698fps avg with 90gr and 2400fps with 120gr Federal Match so I've been realizing that CQB-capable/LR Mini Carbine/Pistol concept since 2017. I shoot a lot of 123gr ELD-M from the 12" at 400-800yds, and the 110gr PPU I've taken out to 900yds with a shocking 1st-round hit. You can have better performance than a 20" 5.56 from 10.5" Grendel, mainly because you have 35-36gr of internal case volume with a more efficient, short powder column and 30° shoulder.
Thanks for dropping this video, lots of great info on the capabilities of 6max. This is my next build, but probably in 11.5 Couple of questions. 1. 100 yard grouping size for factory ammo? 2. If I am doing 11.5 would mid length be the way to go? 3. Proper Gas port size?
You won’t see shorter barrels yet without getting custom barrel. Only 16. 18, and 20 available so far as far as I know. Factory loads I was getting 0.94 to 1.2 moa size groups with average of 1.146 from 10 groups of 15 rounds with 90g and 105g with my ability to shoot. Found 90g factory loads were slightly more accurate in my 18in gun. I know a better shooter with tuned gun can get better. It takes standard 0.750 gas block.
I want to love 6mm max, it seems to solve a lot of the problems ARC has in an ar. My only concern is I still want to run 103 and 105 grain projectiles. I heard rumors about 103s velocity out of a 24” but nothing confirmed and nothing in more reasonable barrel lengths. Have you done any velocity testing with heavier projectiles with your mk18?
I wanna see the short barrel velocities for something like an 80 grain 6max. I feel like that gets you into some ballistic coefficients that would be really impressive and probably still have respectable velocity
Exactly! Always having a sling that isn't dangling or getting caught up on the things is really nice. I have tried the ranger bands and they do work well but the VTAC sling just makes it perfect.
did the math for m855a1 out of a 6" barrel, based off pressure and BC it'll be getting roughly 2200fps at muzzle with a 62gr projectile, and would fall below the 1900fps threshold for fragmentation within about 100 yards... LOL!
XRING, That suppressor wrap has a unique wire retention to it. Where did you get that? Also, I am a big fan of 6MAX. It has way many advantages over the 6ARC. Hopefully it will get the marketing hype Hornady is capable of. Great Video!
One of the coolest rifles I ever had was a 6.5 Grendel in a 12" package. At 1000yds it only had like 53" of drop......not to bad for a shorty/commando rig.
Hey Tim, I appreciate it. It is a beautiful area but the only fishing I have done is Trout and bass fishing in the central part of the state. Never tried Muskie fishing .
Hello Ray... Did you say in another session that the 6Max uses 6.8 mags... I am convinced in the Max for my usage! Be in touch... Awesome display my friend! Respectfully, Seth
I may have missed this but this requires a different rifle than the 556 right? a different barrel? the round looks scary similar to 556. I def take care in not shooting my 300BLK rounds through my 556 for sure. I am waiting on my 10.5" LWRC 556 to come in stock so they can ship it to me. I opted out going with their 7". going to run it suppressed so that 7" would have been rad too bad I heard so much negativity with the 556 that short like unburnt powder filling up a can making it a grenade hahaha that's what made me choose the 10.5" :D
LOL. No, but it does look like it. They are the Liberty Suppressor covers. They are probably the most bombproof covers out there. They are costly though.
i've got a couple hog guns with thermals on them in 6.8spc. i could see switching over to 6max on those guns. definitely not going with 6arc after it became clear that hornady thought it was completely acceptable to bait n switch everybody with their 7prc ammo.
I got bit on the 6mm calibers 30+ years ago! When I saw the 6mm MAX, I liked it more than the 6mmARC. I use it to hunt coyote out to 200 yards. I don't need a gun for any further than 250 yards. Many times, I use a pistol for the close in shots. This kind of hunting requires a shorter BBL with as much weight near the stock as possible. Many people don't understand the balance, and how the center of gravity should be behind the trigger. Long BBL ARs are great for shooting the ground!
6MAX looks freaking awesome . I'll more than likely build out 13.7" in the future . It would be freaking sick if 13.7 6Max could get 2900 FPS with 77g bullet . I absolutely love the 6ARC . I have 14.5" that's served me very well . I have not Chrono it in a while . Last time I did I got 2505 FPS with Black 105g BTHP. I'd love to see 90g - 105g velocity on 6max . I just wanna see how it compares to the 6ARC .
It’s about 50-100fps slower with the 100-105gr bullets. An 18” ARC will shoot some of the upper end 24” 6mm Max speeds, but the lighter bullets are really fast in 6mm Max where it might overlap with ARC.
SOLGW has been shipping to dealers and distributors for the last few weeks. I know that Paramount Tactical Solutions had 2 for sale this week. I would think those are already sold.
Any charts on the velocity curve for 6max? Does it see large gains b/t 10" and 12ish" or is a jump from ~13.7" to 16" significant? Is anything beyond 20" pointless. As compared to its cousin (grandparent? ) 5.56
Great question! It is the 5.56 can but we checked the exit aperture and saw that there was clearance. I am not recommending anyone try that and if you do it is your responsibility.
These rounds run very similar powder charges at very similar velocities. Therefore I would think barrel life will be Similar. For example. Both are within just a few FPS and couple tenths of powder of H4895 and 75VMAX on published data for each. Same for the 87VMAX.
Hey sir any chance you can link your video for the LWRC PSD/PDW? I remember watching it a long time ago, 5 plus years and that's how I originally found you, but I can't seem to find it anymore
Not sure why it matters or is relevant to the video but I’m the source. I ran the Oly Arms 6” while on an ODA in Iraq in 2008-2009 and Afghanistan in 2010-2011. I made a post about it with pictures on our channel.
I carried an 8” AR in 5.56 or a 9mm AR with a 5.5” barrel for 12 years doing protection detail in and out of vehicles and buildings all the time. Velocity becomes a non issue when the rifle is too large to carry on you and have it in play as fast as you can draw a sidearm. No Hollywood vertical grip just a light and a 1x ACOG and sling; nothing points faster than something you can wrap your hand around. The PCC is the perfect home defense and vehicle gun, especially in an urban environment where long shots are unlikely. Would I like one in 6mm, sure but I’m very acclimated to what I have and ammunition to remain proficient is $.25 or less per round if you buy in bulk.
That’s awesome m. On a sod only. I had never ever ran a vertical grip on an AR until Kyle Lamb showed me why you wanted one. There me are some techniques that really justified having one on a rifle. The pros definitely outweighed the cons.
I kinda wish he had just necked 224 Valkyrie up to 6mm. Ready to go mags and lowers. You’d have to change bolts but all the components are out there and the brass conversion would be super simple
@@RockSolitude I don’t know that I’d say better. It also looks like all those cartridges need weird mags that don’t exist too. 6 Valkyrie would answer all of that
@@RockSolitude it isn't based on a 223 rem case it is a 350 legend case put through a sizing die and given a shoulder with more powder capacity than a 223 rem case.
Hornady made 6mm HAGAR several years ago for some High Power shooters. It's a longer 6x6.8 SPC case pushing 6mm fast. Works from 6.8 mags with 6.8 bolts. But none of them reach the 6.5 Grendel. 100gr ELD-VT beats 6mm ARC, which beats 6mm Max. Nobody has really played with lightweight bullets in 6.5 Grendel either, from short barrels.
2:10 You caught hate over the LWRC?? I remember that video. In fact, yours and a couple of other youtubers videos on Lwrc products are why I bought my fist LWRC a 10.5" IC-A5 SIX8 in 6.8spc. ... but I did not stop there, I own a 16-inch IC-DI and an LWRC SMG 45, and that is it for my LWRC guns, but yeah, i started looking at them orginally because of your video. So, no hate from me, only thanks! My wallet hates you, tho! Hahaha! They are not cheap!
Not to mention burning out the barrels so fast that they have a "training" round to reduce wear. 5.56 is still a good round, especially with the 69 and 77grn ammo. I'd still take an M4 over that Sig monstrosity. 6Max or a similar round seems like that way to to make short rifles hit harder without sacrificing ammo capacity.
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Thank you sir! I always enjoy your content.
This is the content we want and need hell yes love the 6 max
Thanks lorcan and thanks for watching.
@@XRING Can you comper 6mm MAX to 6.8 SPC? Especialy in short barrel?
How long is the barrel on your 6 max?
@@jazon9 How about comparing it to the 6 Dasher
I’m really glad to see you pushing the comparison between 5.56 and 6mm Max because that is the real battle. 6mm Max vs 6mm ARC is not and is a trap that too many people are falling into. If 6mm Max is to have a real chance at success it needs to be a 5.56 replacement not a 6mm ARC replacement. 6mm Max gives you the same capacity, the same durability plus better ballistics than 5.56. It basically gives you everything 5.56 does plus most of what 6mm ARC does without the downsides of 6mm ARC.
The fact that the first barrels that are available chambered in 6mm Max are SPR profile barrels might be a misstep. The 10.3”-16” M4 or continuous taper profile barrels would have been better to start with because it frames the argument out of the gate as “6mm Max is the M4 improved”. Having the first barrels available be SPR profile makes too many people think of the 6mm Max vs 6mm ARC comparison and in an “SPR” only role the 6mm ARC might have an edge because of its lighter firing schedule and bullets with a little higher BC. My intent is for my first 6mm Max upper to be a 14.5” URGI improved ;-). Can’t wait until I can get that barrel.
Spot on! After showing the results with the 10.5 I can image spinning on up on a 12.5 or 14.5. Bullet weight would be key but I think this cartridge can fill many roles. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
Great way to illustrate the use case for the 6mm max vs the arc, i'd agree; a 13.7 in 6mm max for me please and thank you.
"Lighter firing schedule" ?
@@Dexter-nw2fe with an “SPR” the assumption is that you will not be doing mag dumps or full auto bursts hence the “lighter” firing schedule than a regular combat rifle where those would be more common. Think MK12 vs M4 or MK18.
Doesn’t seem like a trap. Seems like 6 MAX is a better option over 6 ARC.
We are building our first 6mm Max as i write this. Our first two rifles are 20" barrels on AR15s not battle rifles , our hope is to have long range capabilities with 103 gr. bullets. 1000 yards out to a mile will be a must cant wait to see it perform . As to BC Precision these men are fantastic !! They are very personal i have been called back several times after leaving questions. No Ai booshit no computer recorded booshit . Good old american patriot businesses men !! God bless them , and God bless America
Amazing video and even more amazing guns. Thank you for blessing us with this.
Thanks DKoutfoors and thanks for watching the channel. 👍🏼
Your Videos are Always So Informative!
Outstanding Video!
Thank you!
Thanks John and thanks for watching the channel.
Love it! I thought I was done building ARs, now I want one! Great content as usual.
Very interesting cartridge, first I've heard of it. Going to keep an eye on this.
It's always seemed strange to me that all these AR-15 improvement calibers that have come out focus on specifically the long range side of the equation. .224 Valk, 6 ARC, to some degree 6.5 Grendal, sure they perform well at 1000+ yards and that's great. But realistically, if you're going to be hauling around a 20" barrel small frame AR, you're still going to have acceptable performance at 1000 with 77 SMK, and you'll have ammunition commonality with most other rifles used.
The biggest advantage and the area where the greatest gains can be had, IMO, is exactly what you're showcasing here. The capacity for a compact, lightweight, suppressed SBR to perform comparably to a 20" 5.56 rifle. A 14.5" or 16" 6.5 CM AR-10 is great for the 1000+ yard ranges before you get to bolt gun territory. The real niche for 6 MAX that I think it does phenomenally at is acting as a direct 1 to 1 replacement for 5.56, doing everything a 5.56 rifle can do, but better, smaller, and more accurately.
77gr 5.56 is already pretty anemic at 400yds, let alone 600-1000yds. You can’t hear or see it hit the steel much of the time out here in the West. On a calm day with no winds, sure, but we don’t get many of those. I have these 12” popper steel targets with heavy bases, but they allow the plates to rock from impact. Even at 300yds, 5.56 doesn’t move them, whereas 6.5 Grendel rocks the plates pretty hard. As you go down in projectile weight, the performance on-target diminishes, even with 6 Dasher.
I agree about replacement for 5.56 though. If I could go back in time, I would have had Stoner, Jim Sullivan, and Robert Fremont start out with a case that held more propellant and a bigger bore than .224” for the AR-15, although Fort Benning and the SCHV proponents were looking for .22 cal at really high speeds in the 3400-3600fps region.
@@LRRPFco52 Oh yeah, for shooting steel in particular, .223 kinda sucks. Mass is the major factor there. I just think that when we're accounting for all the things people normally do with a new wonder caliber, from self defense to hunting to military fantasy football, the difference in performance isn't so stark in longer barrel lengths for that to be the selling point for most people.
That's what confuses me about the marketing for so many of these calibers, it usually focuses on being able to get that 1000 yard performance from a longer barrel setup. For a lot of people, a carbine length AR-10 would likely be a stronger contender for their time and money if the ~1000 yard space is what they need a setup for.
On the other hand, advertise that your 10.3 SBR/"Pistol" can have all the power of your buddies' M16? That'd be enough to sell most people on a new home defense setup even if they didn't feel any pressing need for one.
Wholeheartedly agree with your last point. The domestic and international politics regarding the 60's and 70's were a horrible mess that caused a lot of strange decisions with regards to arms adoptions. A lot of the intermediate cartridges suggested around that era had loads of promise, if only they took off. Especially the 6mm and 6.5mm experiments.
@@KeterMalkuth They did the SCHV Rifle submissions in 1957. Army Ordnance Board who developed the M14 had Stoner chasing different engineering studies with larger cases in the AR-15 to keep him chasing his tail while they pushed the throttle on trying to get the M-14 standardized and adopted before anyone else could see the AR-15.
Those slightly-larger cartridge designs would have been similar to some of the chamberings we've seen over the past 20 years in the AR-15.
Been waiting for this review!! Seriously thinking of going this route with a barrel change.
The standard deviation and extreme spread for the 6 max are kind of.. well yikes.
This was amazing, really enjoy the data
Thanks Fred and thanks for watching the channel.
Thank You Sir! I liked that the 6max recoil appeared manageable.b👍🇺🇲
Oh heck yes! Love this content! I went (not related comment) into Cabelas a couple days ago and saw H4350 for sale at $65/lb. That makes my 6.5C cost about .$83/round. Any cartridge I own has to be reloadable to keep the cost down. I love the 6max performance. What a great time to be a gun nut!!
Very informative. Thanks!
Another awesome video. Thanks for all the info.
Thank you John! 👍🏼
3000 fps out of a 10.3 inch barrel is insane
It's legit for sure!
You tell no lies here
no way in hell that'll be the production specs
Yes, those are the actual numbers.
Does anyone knows the chamber pressure on that Cartridge by any chance?
Always bringing the goods. Impressive. Hope all is well Ray.
Love the flame thrower at the end
Thanks for the review Ray. Can’t wait for the one mile match at the end of the month. Have a good week sir. Hope you are doing well.
That's the round the military should have chosen as the next gen 5.56. Thanks for the info! Good luck at the comp!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. That's special education at its best. I always like the short bus ride😂
Best, 20 minutes of content this week for sure❤
That flame thrower can blind a man in daylight 😂
My secondary flashlight ! 🤣
@@XRING lol
Very loud flashlight!
You aint kidding. I was expecting it to be frisky. Wasn't disappointed.
Imagine popping that off in a hallway on full auto...
Even ear pro isn't going to save you from that thing.
You're having way too much fun! 😁
That's really impressive.
Wow that's cool! 👌 very interesting video! I love my DD MK18 😍
They are nice! Thanks for watching.
Fantastic, really nice, thanks
Thanks for the great content.👍🇦🇺
Thanks user-zp. Thank YOU for watching the channel.
So impressive,
Thanks Steve.
Very cool. I’d love to hear more about the 6 Max’s ballistics when using heavier 6mm bullets like 103 grain pills.
From BC Precision Ballistics, 24” test barrel, 103gr ELD-X 2700fps (50fps slower than 6mm ARC)
That would be:
20” 2621fps 1075yds +12 mils drop / 2.7 mils drift 1130fps (still supersonic)
18” 2573fps 1050yds +12 mils / 2.7 drift 1125fps
16” 2517fps 1000yds +11.6 mils 2.6 drift 1139fps
14.5” 2469fps 975yds +11.6 mils 2.6 drift 1134fps
12.5” 2392fps 925yds +11.4 mils drop 2.6 drift 1135fps
10.5” 2298fps 875yds +11.4 drop / 2.6 drift 1126fps
@@LRRPFco52 You’re awesome. Thank you!
@@Caoimhin777 That's all Hornady Doppler Radar data for the 103gr ELD-X showing supersonic reach, drop and drift for each barrel length.
The speeds remind me of 123gr 6.5mm in Grendel, which has more ft-lbs of energy on-target. One difference is 20" Grendel is typically around 2550fps mv with 123gr, but will do 2700-2820fps with 107gr.
My 12" Grendel does 2698fps avg with 90gr and 2400fps with 120gr Federal Match so I've been realizing that CQB-capable/LR Mini Carbine/Pistol concept since 2017.
I shoot a lot of 123gr ELD-M from the 12" at 400-800yds, and the 110gr PPU I've taken out to 900yds with a shocking 1st-round hit.
You can have better performance than a 20" 5.56 from 10.5" Grendel, mainly because you have 35-36gr of internal case volume with a more efficient, short powder column and 30° shoulder.
Thanks for dropping this video, lots of great info on the capabilities of 6max. This is my next build, but probably in 11.5 Couple of questions. 1. 100 yard grouping size for factory ammo? 2. If I am doing 11.5 would mid length be the way to go? 3. Proper Gas port size?
You won’t see shorter barrels yet without getting custom barrel. Only 16. 18, and 20 available so far as far as I know. Factory loads I was getting 0.94 to 1.2 moa size groups with average of 1.146 from 10 groups of 15 rounds with 90g and 105g with my ability to shoot. Found 90g factory loads were slightly more accurate in my 18in gun. I know a better shooter with tuned gun can get better. It takes standard 0.750 gas block.
Nice setup!
I want to love 6mm max, it seems to solve a lot of the problems ARC has in an ar. My only concern is I still want to run 103 and 105 grain projectiles. I heard rumors about 103s velocity out of a 24” but nothing confirmed and nothing in more reasonable barrel lengths. Have you done any velocity testing with heavier projectiles with your mk18?
I wanna see the short barrel velocities for something like an 80 grain 6max. I feel like that gets you into some ballistic coefficients that would be really impressive and probably still have respectable velocity
This is going to be a fun video
Just the data! Thanks hope.
What kind of velocities would you get out of a longer barrel? Like a 16"? For the 6 Max... Or is it a full burn out of a 10.3"?
Great content, the sling was great especially if you need to transition to a pistol, or phone to call 911 for the bad guys dispatched on the ground.
Exactly! Always having a sling that isn't dangling or getting caught up on the things is really nice. I have tried the ranger bands and they do work well but the VTAC sling just makes it perfect.
Here I am just wanting a 6max barrel for my mini-fix, and Roy’s over here running full Auto 6max.
Impressive round , I like my Blue Force sling
Blue Force makes great gear as well.
😮 Hey wait a minute. What makes the LWRC have less shot to shot speed deviation? Does the piston system 🪄 reduce deviation?
did the math for m855a1 out of a 6" barrel, based off pressure and BC it'll be getting roughly 2200fps at muzzle with a 62gr projectile, and would fall below the 1900fps threshold for fragmentation within about 100 yards... LOL!
Nice vido
XRING, That suppressor wrap has a unique wire retention to it. Where did you get that? Also, I am a big fan of 6MAX. It has way many advantages over the 6ARC. Hopefully it will get the marketing hype Hornady is capable of. Great Video!
Liberty Defense. They are one of the best but quite pricey .
Are you shooting that 6 max through a 5.56 RC3?
Love the controllability on full auto hahahaha
A 12.5 6max just might be the greatest varmint rifle ever.
I'm convinced
Me too!
One of the coolest rifles I ever had was a 6.5 Grendel in a 12" package. At 1000yds it only had like 53" of drop......not to bad for a shorty/commando rig.
Look at what a 12" Grendel does with 80gr Hammer HTs. Mine averages 2698fps with 90gr TNT, so 80gr will be in the 2800fps region.
That's my truck gun. Absolutely love it - CQB with longish range capable.
Hey always enjoy your video when you put one out… hey so who is selling these barrels? I can’t find them. Thanks!!
Only BC Precision Balistics and SOLGW has barrels at the moment. However, they don’t offer the 10” barrels at the moment. This was a custom barrel.
Ok thanks I’m in Hickory nc
I would like to get the 20”
Hey Ray, recently subscribed.
West NC is some of the most beautiful country in the world. Have you ever done any muskie fishing in the area rivers?
Hey Tim, I appreciate it. It is a beautiful area but the only fishing I have done is Trout and bass fishing in the central part of the state. Never tried Muskie fishing .
@@XRING if you ever decide to try it it's supposed to be pretty good. French Broad and others supposedly have really good populations.
Nice. I guess cost per round won't be much of a concern for those who already buy more premium 5.56 loads like Black Hills than the cheaper stuff.
6max is exactly what we needed for afghanistan and forward.
Hi Ray, wondering how to get in touch about the long range contest. Ex 98d/h lol
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET A 6 MAX!!! Maybe a Dissent, hint hint CMMG
Hey it’s me from Charlotte! So you can shoot this round through a 556 barrel??
Hello Ray... Did you say in another session that the 6Max uses 6.8 mags... I am convinced in the Max for my usage! Be in touch... Awesome display my friend!
Respectfully, Seth
Would love this in 18” spr mk12
Sweet rifle! jealous of your full auto privilege.
Thanks Joel!. You should get your FFL and SOT license. I hope you have been well sir.
Where can you get this 10.3 6 max barrel ?
I may have missed this but this requires a different rifle than the 556 right? a different barrel? the round looks scary similar to 556. I def take care in not shooting my 300BLK rounds through my 556 for sure. I am waiting on my 10.5" LWRC 556 to come in stock so they can ship it to me. I opted out going with their 7". going to run it suppressed so that 7" would have been rad too bad I heard so much negativity with the 556 that short like unburnt powder filling up a can making it a grenade hahaha that's what made me choose the 10.5" :D
Problem is where we get the barrels at, looking online there's nowhere to get the 10.5 or 12.5 barrels anywhere solgw doesn't show them available
Is that burlap on your can? Love the look ,....
LOL. No, but it does look like it. They are the Liberty Suppressor covers. They are probably the most bombproof covers out there. They are costly though.
i've got a couple hog guns with thermals on them in 6.8spc. i could see switching over to 6max on those guns.
definitely not going with 6arc after it became clear that hornady thought it was completely acceptable to bait n switch everybody with their 7prc ammo.
I got bit on the 6mm calibers 30+ years ago! When I saw the 6mm MAX, I liked it more than the 6mmARC. I use it to hunt coyote out to 200 yards. I don't need a gun for any further than 250 yards. Many times, I use a pistol for the close in shots. This kind of hunting requires a shorter BBL with as much weight near the stock as possible. Many people don't understand the balance, and how the center of gravity should be behind the trigger. Long BBL ARs are great for shooting the ground!
Can this round work in standard 30 round magazines or even larger? Every video I’ve seen they only seem to be used in 20 rounders or smaller.
6MAX looks freaking awesome .
I'll more than likely build out 13.7" in the future . It would be freaking sick if 13.7 6Max could get 2900 FPS with 77g bullet .
I absolutely love the 6ARC . I have 14.5" that's served me very well . I have not Chrono it in a while . Last time I did I got 2505 FPS with Black 105g BTHP.
I'd love to see 90g - 105g velocity on 6max . I just wanna see how it compares to the 6ARC .
I can find that out Sean. I think you might be able to get in that ballpark. Let me do some digging.
I’m curious about the heavier pills too.
It’s about 50-100fps slower with the 100-105gr bullets. An 18” ARC will shoot some of the upper end 24” 6mm Max speeds, but the lighter bullets are really fast in 6mm Max where it might overlap with ARC.
👍🍻 Good deal!!
It must be nice to get your hands on the 6mm max been trying for months with no luck!!!
SOLGW has been shipping to dealers and distributors for the last few weeks. I know that Paramount Tactical Solutions had 2 for sale this week. I would think those are already sold.
Who / brand is the barrel, shortest online is 12.5” for 6 max, that looks 10.3-10.5”
Any charts on the velocity curve for 6max? Does it see large gains b/t 10" and 12ish" or is a jump from ~13.7" to 16" significant? Is anything beyond 20" pointless. As compared to its cousin (grandparent? ) 5.56
I have a POF Minuteman, 10.5 223. So, All I need is the barrel and 350 L magazines???
What’s the cost per squeeze on 6 max ? Thanks for the video!
Hey badbilly. At the moment it's running 1.50 a pull. However, it should be dropping in the near future.
Did I hear that right, an RC3 used on a 6mm?
Where are you buying the ammo? Are you hand loading it? I haven’t seen it anywhere.
BC Precision ballistics. In stock
wonder when the 6.8 SPC comparisons are going to start
There aren't any really lightweight bullets in 6.8 because they would look fatter than their length almost. 85gr TTSX is the lightest I'm aware of.
Deviation between those rounds is the only concerning thing. But this looks very promising. First new round I’ve been excited about in a while.
I addressed that with Brian. He said that he could get that way down into the teens with the same velocity using a different powder.
Where can I get a 10.3 6mm max barrel? I’ve searched but no luck
Are you running the 6 max thru a 5.56 suppressor? Or is it a 7.62 rc3?
Great question! It is the 5.56 can but we checked the exit aperture and saw that there was clearance. I am not recommending anyone try that and if you do it is your responsibility.
Is anyone making uppers or complete weapon systems yet, or just barrels still?
About to build a 14.5 in 6max now and make it my spr
so 6max is gonna burn out barrels way faster than 6mm arc. How many rounds are you getting out of 6 max before accuracy opens?
Not enough powder for either to be a concern under 3k rounds.
@@thelittledetailscr7231 6 max is still pushing 3k out of a 10.3 how are you going to say its not a concern?
These rounds run very similar powder charges at very similar velocities. Therefore I would think barrel life will be Similar. For example. Both are within just a few FPS and couple tenths of powder of H4895 and 75VMAX on published data for each. Same for the 87VMAX.
When and where r these available?? I need one or 2!! Lol
ETA on 30 round mags ? That’s the main reason I’m interested.
Nice, thanks for sharing!
Thanks BigJ! I hope you have been well.
Shoot a 40 to 50 grain 556 in a v max or similar would be devastating on fleshy stuff
BCM still do vert grips in black/picatinny.
I will definitely be picking one up then. Thank you.
Hey sir any chance you can link your video for the LWRC PSD/PDW? I remember watching it a long time ago, 5 plus years and that's how I originally found you, but I can't seem to find it anymore
Source on that Olympic arms shorty being used in theatre?
Not sure why it matters or is relevant to the video but I’m the source. I ran the Oly Arms 6” while on an ODA in Iraq in 2008-2009 and Afghanistan in 2010-2011. I made a post about it with pictures on our channel.
Will it be Ok to come down to watch challenge?
Yes, but you won't be able to get on the top platform. You can spot from underneath and it is shaded there.
I carried an 8” AR in 5.56 or a 9mm AR with a 5.5” barrel for 12 years doing protection detail in and out of vehicles and buildings all the time. Velocity becomes a non issue when the rifle is too large to carry on you and have it in play as fast as you can draw a sidearm. No Hollywood vertical grip just a light and a 1x ACOG and sling; nothing points faster than something you can wrap your hand around. The PCC is the perfect home defense and vehicle gun, especially in an urban environment where long shots are unlikely. Would I like one in 6mm, sure but I’m very acclimated to what I have and ammunition to remain proficient is $.25 or less per round if you buy in bulk.
That’s awesome m. On a sod only. I had never ever ran a vertical grip on an AR until Kyle Lamb showed me why you wanted one. There me are some techniques that really justified having one on a rifle. The pros definitely outweighed the cons.
Were can I get a 10.5 barrel like urs
Ray!!....What am i missing here.. why use 350 legend cases?? Cant you simply neck up 556??
The 6max case is 8% larger in volume than the 5.56. 👍🏼
Who did you get the 10.3 Max barrel from?
Had it custom made by Clark at STW firearms. Not sure if he has a website or anything.
@@XRING How would a guy go about contacting him to have one made. Didn't even see him in a google search.
I kinda wish he had just necked 224 Valkyrie up to 6mm. Ready to go mags and lowers. You’d have to change bolts but all the components are out there and the brass conversion would be super simple
I mean we have 6mm ARC, 6mm AR and 6mm PPC already. Each of those are better than the 6 MAX and don't have the limitation of a .223 Rem case.
@@RockSolitude I don’t know that I’d say better. It also looks like all those cartridges need weird mags that don’t exist too. 6 Valkyrie would answer all of that
@@K-bob_45 If you neck up Valkyrie, the chances it will continue to work on the same mag to full capacity are not very high.
@@RockSolitude it isn't based on a 223 rem case it is a 350 legend case put through a sizing die and given a shoulder with more powder capacity than a 223 rem case.
Hornady made 6mm HAGAR several years ago for some High Power shooters. It's a longer 6x6.8 SPC case pushing 6mm fast. Works from 6.8 mags with 6.8 bolts.
But none of them reach the 6.5 Grendel. 100gr ELD-VT beats 6mm ARC, which beats 6mm Max.
Nobody has really played with lightweight bullets in 6.5 Grendel either, from short barrels.
2:10 You caught hate over the LWRC?? I remember that video. In fact, yours and a couple of other youtubers videos on Lwrc products are why I bought my fist LWRC a 10.5" IC-A5 SIX8 in 6.8spc. ... but I did not stop there, I own a 16-inch IC-DI and an LWRC SMG 45, and that is it for my LWRC guns, but yeah, i started looking at them orginally because of your video. So, no hate from me, only thanks! My wallet hates you, tho! Hahaha! They are not cheap!
Very nice! I still like that rifle and the piston setup. 👍🏼
@XRING Yeah, the piston setup is really nice and cleanly done. Thanks for the awesome videos, and the reply!
Cool round, hopefully the military adopts it or something similar. The 6.8x51 is just too big and heavy for the average Soldier/Marine.
Not to mention burning out the barrels so fast that they have a "training" round to reduce wear.
5.56 is still a good round, especially with the 69 and 77grn ammo. I'd still take an M4 over that Sig monstrosity. 6Max or a similar round seems like that way to to make short rifles hit harder without sacrificing ammo capacity.
With the lighter, faster 6 Max, what is the expected barrel life?
Depending on the firing schedule, it should be around the same as the 5.56.
6.5 Grendel suffered similar misunderstandings... it works great in all barrel lengths not just SPR roles
Maaaaannnn. 3,000 fps ain’t nothin but if you want to talk terminal velocity 3,025 fps gets you where you need to be.