Amazing job providing an entertaining AND informative video on both the SCAR-17 HPR (MK20) and some excellent data on using devices like a Kestrel and Advanced ballistics!
Dang I love these videos! I have a 'few' (cough, cough) boxes of Hornady 147ELDM (and other caliber and weights) bullets in my reloading room for my 6.5C Bergara that shoot 1/2 MOA over H4350 with a Federal match primer. I'm old (only in age...not in spirit). My almost 68 year old eyes are not the hawk eyes (20-10) of my youth but I can still get the job done. Those pesky clay pigeons at 500 meters lazed don't stand a chance. 😀 Thanks for bringing us along Ray! Much appreciated!
I have a reciprocating charging handle version of the same rifle, with the same optic. I run a dead-air Sandman K can and it doesn't over gas the way yours was here. Mine is a great rifle. I went through PR 1&2 at Rifles Only last fall with it and fell in love with the setup.
What a cool tool... Precision chromelined barrel, seems like an oxymoron... but times have changed. Gas guns do great accuracy work in a realm that had been exclusive to bolt guns, not long ago 🎯 Your videos always feature cool firearms, Thanks for sharing.
The mototech engineering scarberator or 3 position gas block is a superior option than messing with jets in my opinion. Gives you on the fly adjustment ability and is easy to use and install. Would highly recommend.
Glad I stumbled upon this video, it enhanced my knowledge and interest in long range sniper style shooting. My rifle is configured very much the same as the one in the video, but my rig is in .308 and only half the $5,000 cost; but I love it and I’m getting great results with my “entry level” setup! I’m also set up in .22 lr for sniper style shooting out to 100 yards. Thanks for inspiring me to engage in this new phase of rifle shooting!
Great video. Happy to see people realizing 6,5 creedmoore is considerable better, mainly DMR's, than 7,62 NATO - which I also love including for 600-800 yards.
For your long range filming, have you tried a spotting scope with the ollin magnets phone adapter? All the hunting channels use them, it’s a cheap alternative to a hug lens. BTW…you’ve got great content.
Awesome video with great info. I enjoyed actually seeing a good video on the MK 20. I have one in 308 with the NX8 TReMoR3 and love it! Im not far from you in Arden and always appreciate your videos. I was unaware of speed drop and learned alot. I think I need a kestral now, been using the horus app and weather meter.
I like that your scar here has a more mellow FDE on the upper. Mine I got right when it became available is a far lighter almost golden anodizing. Personally, I’d prefer what you got going on on this one
The one issue with the SCAR 20 is the pricing scheme between the reciprocating charging handle, and the newer NRCH. For buyers who dropped 4K on the rifle just a few years ago, only to see the 6.5CM come out, then learn that barrels are 1700 bucks, the newer bolt is *350 bucks each*, the firing pin is 60 bucks, and the NRCH kit is almost 1k. After doing the math, you're hard pressed just to buy an entirely new SCAR. If you're suppressing that baby, she would benefit greatly from the Scarburator from Mototech Engineering. Eddie is a stand up guy and a true innovator. I can't recommend that product highly enough. (I haven't seen the entire video all the way through. So, if you mention it, my apologies!) But, yeah, since FN is so heavily focused on govt contracts with the SCAR, a fully adjustable gas block is an afterthought. Apparently, taking inspiration from the FAL would've been too 20th century for them. Lol
If you intend to keep the rifle suppressed, I strongly advise you to install a smaller gas jet. I can't say whether it improves your groupings, but it does greatly minimize gas to the face. I got mine from Parker Mountain Machine. Still functions flawlessly on both settings suppressed or unsuppressed as well.
Yes especially if using a baffled suppressor instead of a flow-through suppressor. With a flow-through suppressor, there should be no need to change the gas jet. I was suprised the details of the suppressor make and model was skipped in this video.
It’s best to do that with the tuned smaller factory gas jet or one of the new adjustable systems like KNS makes. It makes the rifle a dream to shoot suppressed and really saves on parts wear. SCARs are incredibly durable but can be sensitive to bolt speed. It’s an easy part to switch and in a factory part as well, just takes a little time to make sure you get the right size.
Great review. Enjoyed watching and listening to someone that knows their stuff. Yes. it is an expensive gun, and kitted out with the scope, and extras even more so. But for it's designated task I think its' a great combination and to quote you " I would not like anyone shooting at me with this gun" I totally agree! .
Adding the 6.5 chambering to this rifle helps out alot my buddy had one in 308 and for the price I was not very impressed and the twist rate wasn't good for heavy bullets which was a weird fn decision good video as always
MR 762 is military fielded via the G28 and even the CSASS. It is essentially the same rifle with an unlined barrel and an aluminum receiver on the 762/CSASS vs steel on the G28.
It’s very tried and true system. Medal of Honor recipient “Sgt. Plumlee” earned the award using the 20s. The 20 has been in service for a couple of years now
Beauty of a gun! Glad you got your glasses! Ya know the common tool for ER removal of metal splinters in one’s eye? It’s various gauge needles you WATCH and feel poke your eye. Don’t ask how I know. 🤓
Thanks Frederic! I don’t really post on FB or IG that much but when I do it is thexring channel on IG. Thanks again for the support and watching the channel.
Great video. Your gas regulator was at the 2 o'clock (un-suppressed) not the 10 o'clock (suppressed) the entire video. Might explain the extra gas in the face.
The 20 has only 2 positions. 10 and 12 as viewed looking at it from the tip of the barrel. Don’t ask why, that’s the way FN shows it in the manual. Looking from shooting position suppressed is indeed at the 2 position.
Good buddie sold me his old fn special police rifle in .308 and shoots 168gmm in .30”…it’s the older 1 non adjustable stock non fluted barrel…24” 1:12 4 groove..1” tapered to .980” at muzzle…have the 110gr varmageddons at differing speeds upto 3500fps…my 6.5prc 130tmk that are absolutely nuclear only run 3220fps…
Picked up a SCAR 20S in 6.5 Creedmoor. Had a major issue with being over gassed. Suppressed (sig and silencerco), even with the stock gas regulator in "suppresed" setting, it bucked hard. I had to work hard to get the 1/2 inch groups. Added an aftermarket gas regulator, and pow, soft recoil and easy all holes touching @100m. Plan on an after market gas regulator.
I had the exact setup before they went to the nrch, same scope, same rifle. 1 moa is about the best I could consistently achieve, Larry Vickers had the same result, about 1 moa. I bought the Knights Armament SR25 APC and went to .65 moa consistently. However, the price doubled with the KAC SR25. The Scar 20 was a great rifle though, but in fear of damage to thermals and NV, I decided to sell it.
You bought the first (SR25) and second (Scar H) most overrated rifles in all of history. If you have an SR-15, you’ll have the trifecta. Both the GAP and LaRues will outshoot the SR-25 day in and day out. When they first made the SR-25 (and for some time after) they were using Remington’s REJECT barrels. I have an SR-15 and have time behind the others (have 3 large-frame larues, but mostly dislike mark) so I’m pretty objective.
@@OFFICIALUND I’m hitting sub moa groups easily, most of the time .75 moa with the SR25. Pretty good for a reject as you call it. However, there’s some pretty highly trained and respected experts that would laugh at what you said. Most of the rifles and equipment I hear people running down are the most respected and most expensive, like Knights Armament, FN Scar, HK, LMT, Nightforce, Schmidt and Bender, etc. I’m glad I don’t have to be the guy in the room who’s running these companies products down!
@@stevedavis1850 1) Fanboys are not experts. 2) I didn’t say they weren’t ok rifles…I said they were overrated. 3) .75MOA? 5 shots? (3 shot groups do t count). Here’s your exercise: grab 25 rounds. Shoot 5x 5 shot groups. Come back and tell us what the average is. I’m guessing it’ll be about 1.25. Contrast with GAP and Larue, which would do about .6-.8 over that regimen. Read Bryan Litz’s articles on dispersions, group size, etc. very few “sub MOA” rifles are actually sub MOA. FWIW, I have had to send back one (out of literally more than one hundred) rifle due to complete inoperability, and it was a KAC. They blamed it on a bad BCG which they then admitted was made by a subcontractor. We know they don’t make their barrels. So, you have the very heart of a rifle not being made by the company that sells it. Do they make cool looking handguards and receivers? Yeah, but they’re not even making the “working” parts of their rifles.
@@stevedavis1850 P.s. I have 4 Schmidt & Bender PMII 5-25. I really like them. They lack a locking ocular ring like Nightforce has (have 3 NFs, too), but to me (this can be subjective) their glass is better than NF. Tangent Theta is king of the rifle scope world, though, and sadly I don’t have any of those. As for LMT…LMT makes a lot of KAC’s stuff. I have had three QC issues with LMTs. They didn’t finish chambering a 300BLK barrel, so if you ever had to clear a chamber, you had to mortar the rifle because the bullets were stuck in the lands (and the cleared round would be partially pulled from the case). Then I had a bad bolt catch: there was this weird textured “nipple” left on it that would prevent you from being able to release the bolt. 3) I had a receiver set that was so poorly finished that it wouldn’t close. So I’m not real positive on LMT, but I once had a piston AR of theirs that was awesome. Sold it to justify buying the aforementioned KAC.
Sig Sauer produced the 716 G2 DMR in 308Win and a 16" barrel with 1:10 twist. offered in 6.5CM with 18" barrel for only 1 year. out of production in 2020 as Sig was ramping up for MCX Spear contract.
I have both barrels in 762 NATO and 6.5 CM and swapping barrels is straight forward. I have swapped barrels to see just how off my vortex razor 6-36 scope would be about 10x shooting 3 round each time and for my 20s, the 7.62 barrel was 2.7 mils high at 100 yards on average above center. I usually use the 762 barrel since 6.5 is just way too easy and more forgiving at 700-1000 yards. It possibly might promote bad habits because there’s a margin of error that .308 doesn’t have at that distance as you know. But I need to be on point with .308 at that distance. I haven’t take it out to 1100+ yards. My local range doesn’t go out that far. It’s nice but expensive.
@OFFICIALUND If i knew how to do a video and post it here, i would be glad to. If you would like to se d me your email address i would be glad to send you all the pictures of the targets i have ahowing what my FNH guns can shoot.
So, I normally don’t get into the middle between commenters. When I was competing in heavy division I actually tested almost all available gas operated .308 platforms to include, HK 716, Larue, KAC, LWRC reaper and the Scar 17. I did exactly what was listed above except I did 4, 5 shot groups. The winner with 168gr and 175gr Federal was the SCAR 17. Average groups were right at 1moa. I am not a fanboy but I choose what will give me the best results. Needless to say, I competed with the SCAR that year. 👍🏼
@@XRING Sounds like you got an exceptional SCAR. The ones I’ve been behind/shot are good (as I’ve said), but are extremely susceptible to drift as they heat up over strings. Most are 1.5MOA over the regimen I described (all 175SMKs and usually 175FGMM).
Hi Ray, On the speed drop shooting at distance you mentioned yards not meters, is speed drop then in yards? Just to confirm as I usually work fully in metric, mils etc..
Damn sweet !! Which is better barrett m82 or this? Thinking of getting .Could u suggest?I had m16 for more than 10yrs. Now i'm interested shooting long ranged
Very nice video. Never pulled the trigger on a SCAR. But I have an JPR LRP-07 in 6.5 CM with a DD on the way. The JPR thing is probably the most capable rifle I own besides the 375 CheyTac.
This is my first time viewing your video on the MK 20. If I'm correct, this is a gas operated system, if so, none of us shooters have ever been fans of these systems without a pston. Technology has improved to incorporate the Piston, which eliminates gas blowback. A $5000. dollar rifle and no piston...that my friend is a Dealbreaker in ourcircle, and for good reason(s). Still, a fun video to watch, which proves my point. 😊
I have a Ruger American hunter 6.5 creedmoor , of course I opened for the long bull barrel . I top it off with a vortex 5-25x56 1/4 moa diamond back tactical . My hope is that I could possibly get my scope matched to the rifle like you did in this video .
I Built my AR 10 in 6.5 Creedmor with 22" Heavy Barrel, 15 lbs... I would like to lighten it up, searching Barrel options.. I always enjoy your Videos, and share your Videos with my Shooting friends.
The gun seemed amazingly quiet from the video, even without the suppressor. I was incredibly impressed with how quickly it could be used at different range once set up, and how accurate it was. I have spent twice as much on a camera body, and two and a half times as much on professional video camera, so it's a matter of perspective I guess.
Which G&G? Gould &Goldrich? The holster maker? Warranty voided in one trigger pull. Its not a suppressed setting, read the manual. If you fire with a suppressor, you void the warranty. I have asked FN LEO, FN Retail and their warranty department just to verify. They say that the gas block is not set up for suppressed use. It is set for the same as the military regular use setting in its lower setting, the other is larger than the military setting. This is because they didnt want to deal with stoppages. I originally rejetted my scar 20, i then went to the scarburator. I use a Silencerco Saker and a surefire socom. Im currently waiting for my hux worx 7.62 can to clear. Does the kestrel bluetooth burn batteries that bad? I never had it on my military kestrel. I have one i bought through the unit that is rf disabled. It also has the ir suppressed screen.
Very great and clear review sir! I have a scar20s 308 and upgrade NRCH with sure fire MB. What's the different 20s vs mk20 ssr? Thanks for great creating education videos.
My next Scar. I put in a 6.5 CM DSB 5R 20” barrel on my 17 before the 20s was made mainly to use as a dmr. It’s fitted with a Schmidt Bender 3-20 x 50 PMII Ultra short in a 34mm Spuhr qd mount with a 6 mil cant. The 20s will be the NRCH in 6.5 CM and will have the Schmidt Bender PMII 6-36 x 56 scope in Ral8000 on another 34mm Spuhr 6 mil cant qd mount.
#Question Hmm .. I doubt I'm the only one that can HEAR that bullet flying through the air and hitting!? Maybe the sound stage he has going in this video with the microphone but I cant usually hear the bullet flying through the air. @MK20 pretty good mid-tier gun. I'd give it a solid C+!!😉
The speed drop part blew my mind. Also the fact that you came off the scope know it was an impact before it hit.
Thanks! You see the impact in the scope well before you ever get the report back.
Like Al bundy bowlin strikes…
Amazing job providing an entertaining AND informative video on both the SCAR-17 HPR (MK20) and some excellent data on using devices like a Kestrel and Advanced ballistics!
Dang I love these videos! I have a 'few' (cough, cough) boxes of Hornady 147ELDM (and other caliber and weights) bullets in my reloading room for my 6.5C Bergara that shoot 1/2 MOA over H4350 with a Federal match primer. I'm old (only in age...not in spirit). My almost 68 year old eyes are not the hawk eyes (20-10) of my youth but I can still get the job done. Those pesky clay pigeons at 500 meters lazed don't stand a chance. 😀 Thanks for bringing us along Ray! Much appreciated!
So professional.
I am not a sharp shooter nor a hobbyist but watched the entire video.
Fascinating.
SUBSCRIBED.
keep them posts coming
oh my lord.... words cannot begin to convey the beauty of this rifle and setup.... i'm left speechless
I have a reciprocating charging handle version of the same rifle, with the same optic.
I run a dead-air Sandman K can and it doesn't over gas the way yours was here.
Mine is a great rifle. I went through PR 1&2 at Rifles Only last fall with it and fell in love with the setup.
What a cool tool... Precision chromelined barrel, seems like an oxymoron... but times have changed. Gas guns do great accuracy work in a realm that had been exclusive to bolt guns, not long ago 🎯
Your videos always feature cool firearms, Thanks for sharing.
His videos do.
The mototech engineering scarberator or 3 position gas block is a superior option than messing with jets in my opinion. Gives you on the fly adjustment ability and is easy to use and install. Would highly recommend.
Thanks for the review. Love that it’s all in FDE. Have a great weekend Ray. 👍
Thanks for great video. Bought the scar 20S a couple months back and love it. I was told same thing as mk20 which is military version.
They need to make the regular SCAR with that longer receiver. Would be a sweet machine.
I've seen some owners cut their barrel down for that config, super sweet!
I have been subscribed since you started this channel, best channel for knowledge
GREAT SHOOTING RAY fun to watch you work. thank you you are my at home on the range.
First time seeing your channel, holy crap you are a monster, that was impressive
Great video Ray! Also thanks for the sky loading tip. I've seen it happen a lot at matches and not get called out.
Glad I stumbled upon this video, it enhanced my knowledge and interest in long range sniper style shooting. My rifle is configured very much the same as the one in the video, but my rig is in .308 and only half the $5,000 cost; but I love it and I’m getting great results with my “entry level” setup! I’m also set up in .22 lr for sniper style shooting out to 100 yards. Thanks for inspiring me to engage in this new phase of rifle shooting!
My pleasure and thank you for watching the channel.
Great video. Happy to see people realizing 6,5 creedmoore is considerable better, mainly DMR's, than 7,62 NATO - which I also love including for 600-800 yards.
I just discovered this channel. This is right up my alley. New subscriber.
Thank you and thanks for subbing the channel. 👍🏼
For your long range filming, have you tried a spotting scope with the ollin magnets phone adapter? All the hunting channels use them, it’s a cheap alternative to a hug lens. BTW…you’ve got great content.
Awesome video with great info. I enjoyed actually seeing a good video on the MK 20. I have one in 308 with the NX8 TReMoR3 and love it! Im not far from you in Arden and always appreciate your videos. I was unaware of speed drop and learned alot. I think I need a kestral now, been using the horus app and weather meter.
We are practically neighbors! I’m close to Arden. We need to shoot sometime.
Sounds good, let me know anytime you want to. May be cool to compare the 6.5 and 308 versions.
Brother you are smooth as butter and a Pro. Great video. Thanks from Fla.
Thanks endgame and thank you for watching the channel. I hope you have a great weekend sir.
I like that your scar here has a more mellow FDE on the upper.
Mine I got right when it became available is a far lighter almost golden anodizing.
Personally, I’d prefer what you got going on on this one
Damn the data was pretty spot on and badass to see how accurate that was after adjustments
Wow!.... epiphany for me, Ray!...great explanation follow-up to what you shared with me a few weeks ago!!
Never seen this gun channel before, amazing review of the platform. Excellent job, detailed explanation very professional A++++++
you are simply the best, thank you for the excellent content.
Thanks Juan and thanks for watching the channel. 👍🏼
Thank you for producing an energy packed informative review. Great job!! Looking forward to your next review.
Great video! I learned some things and the speed drop is wow!
The one issue with the SCAR 20 is the pricing scheme between the reciprocating charging handle, and the newer NRCH. For buyers who dropped 4K on the rifle just a few years ago, only to see the 6.5CM come out, then learn that barrels are 1700 bucks, the newer bolt is *350 bucks each*, the firing pin is 60 bucks, and the NRCH kit is almost 1k. After doing the math, you're hard pressed just to buy an entirely new SCAR.
If you're suppressing that baby, she would benefit greatly from the Scarburator from Mototech Engineering. Eddie is a stand up guy and a true innovator. I can't recommend that product highly enough. (I haven't seen the entire video all the way through. So, if you mention it, my apologies!) But, yeah, since FN is so heavily focused on govt contracts with the SCAR, a fully adjustable gas block is an afterthought. Apparently, taking inspiration from the FAL would've been too 20th century for them. Lol
acheté un ar10 pour les pauvres, le Scar est pour les riches
Nice looking Tan Nightforce there Ray! Cool rifle as well 😉
If you intend to keep the rifle suppressed, I strongly advise you to install a smaller gas jet. I can't say whether it improves your groupings, but it does greatly minimize gas to the face. I got mine from Parker Mountain Machine. Still functions flawlessly on both settings suppressed or unsuppressed as well.
Yes especially if using a baffled suppressor instead of a flow-through suppressor. With a flow-through suppressor, there should be no need to change the gas jet. I was suprised the details of the suppressor make and model was skipped in this video.
I mentioned that it was a Surefire Socom 260
I have a huxwrx can on mine runs flawlessly no back pressure.
Did the "smaller gas jet" help you ovulate better without the traumatic effect of the ptsd inducing gas to the face from such a devastating act?
It’s best to do that with the tuned smaller factory gas jet or one of the new adjustable systems like KNS makes. It makes the rifle a dream to shoot suppressed and really saves on parts wear. SCARs are incredibly durable but can be sensitive to bolt speed. It’s an easy part to switch and in a factory part as well, just takes a little time to make sure you get the right size.
Awesome video ray! I’d love to see you review a SR25 one day. Keep it up!
Great review. Enjoyed watching and listening to someone that knows their stuff. Yes. it is an expensive gun, and kitted out with the scope, and extras even more so. But for it's designated task I think its' a great combination and to quote you " I would not like anyone shooting at me with this gun" I totally agree! .
God that is a beautiful rifle
It is my collection item! I love semiauto long range rifle just like FNAR and BAR MK II and III very much!
Glad you had a safe trip & see you home making videos again
Beautiful built SCAR. Scope used to see into the future. Thanks ❤️
Adding the 6.5 chambering to this rifle helps out alot my buddy had one in 308 and for the price I was not very impressed and the twist rate wasn't good for heavy bullets which was a weird fn decision good video as always
MR 762 is military fielded via the G28 and even the CSASS. It is essentially the same rifle with an unlined barrel and an aluminum receiver on the 762/CSASS vs steel on the G28.
It’s very tried and true system. Medal of Honor recipient “Sgt. Plumlee” earned the award using the 20s. The 20 has been in service for a couple of years now
Beauty of a gun! Glad you got your glasses! Ya know the common tool for ER removal of metal splinters in one’s eye? It’s various gauge needles you WATCH and feel poke your eye. Don’t ask how I know. 🤓
Hey Ray! Did you delete your instagram? Where can we get some pics of your rigs now? 😂
Best long range channel on RUclips!! Congrats!!
Thanks Frederic! I don’t really post on FB or IG that much but when I do it is thexring channel on IG. Thanks again for the support and watching the channel.
RAY THAT VIDEO WAS FRICKING GREAT
Thanks Dennis and thanks for watching. 👍🏼
Awesome video about a great weapon system. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I am looking forward to additional videos on this channel.
Great video Ray! That thing is a beauty.
👌 Great! love the silent sound
Great video. Your gas regulator was at the 2 o'clock (un-suppressed) not the 10 o'clock (suppressed) the entire video. Might explain the extra gas in the face.
Wow, great observation!
I was thinking the same thing... good call. 👍✌️😁
The 20 has only 2 positions. 10 and 12 as viewed looking at it from the tip of the barrel. Don’t ask why, that’s the way FN shows it in the manual. Looking from shooting position suppressed is indeed at the 2 position.
I enjoy living vicariously through your videos. Watching you shoot guns I will never afford.
Quick drop and speed drop are both great options to use. Great video senor.
Good buddie sold me his old fn special police rifle in .308 and shoots 168gmm in .30”…it’s the older 1 non adjustable stock non fluted barrel…24” 1:12 4 groove..1” tapered to .980” at muzzle…have the 110gr varmageddons at differing speeds upto 3500fps…my 6.5prc 130tmk that are absolutely nuclear only run 3220fps…
Informative video...very anxious to purchase one of these rifles.
Beautiful. Dream rifle right there.
Picked up a SCAR 20S in 6.5 Creedmoor. Had a major issue with being over gassed. Suppressed (sig and silencerco), even with the stock gas regulator in "suppresed" setting, it bucked hard. I had to work hard to get the 1/2 inch groups. Added an aftermarket gas regulator, and pow, soft recoil and easy all holes touching @100m. Plan on an after market gas regulator.
Very informative video, thank you.
It's very smooth and precise
Love the delay from shot to steel ping. Good stuff
I had the exact setup before they went to the nrch, same scope, same rifle. 1 moa is about the best I could consistently achieve, Larry Vickers had the same result, about 1 moa. I bought the Knights Armament SR25 APC and went to .65 moa consistently. However, the price doubled with the KAC SR25. The Scar 20 was a great rifle though, but in fear of damage to thermals and NV, I decided to sell it.
You bought the first (SR25) and second (Scar H) most overrated rifles in all of history. If you have an SR-15, you’ll have the trifecta. Both the GAP and LaRues will outshoot the SR-25 day in and day out. When they first made the SR-25 (and for some time after) they were using Remington’s REJECT barrels. I have an SR-15 and have time behind the others (have 3 large-frame larues, but mostly dislike mark) so I’m pretty objective.
@@OFFICIALUND Can you link me to info on the rejected barrels being used? Sounds interesting.
@@OFFICIALUND I’m hitting sub moa groups easily, most of the time .75 moa with the SR25. Pretty good for a reject as you call it. However, there’s some pretty highly trained and respected experts that would laugh at what you said. Most of the rifles and equipment I hear people running down are the most respected and most expensive, like Knights Armament, FN Scar, HK, LMT, Nightforce, Schmidt and Bender, etc. I’m glad I don’t have to be the guy in the room who’s running these companies products down!
@@stevedavis1850 1) Fanboys are not experts. 2) I didn’t say they weren’t ok rifles…I said they were overrated. 3) .75MOA? 5 shots? (3 shot groups do t count). Here’s your exercise: grab 25 rounds. Shoot 5x 5 shot groups. Come back and tell us what the average is. I’m guessing it’ll be about 1.25. Contrast with GAP and Larue, which would do about .6-.8 over that regimen. Read Bryan Litz’s articles on dispersions, group size, etc. very few “sub MOA” rifles are actually sub MOA. FWIW, I have had to send back one (out of literally more than one hundred) rifle due to complete inoperability, and it was a KAC. They blamed it on a bad BCG which they then admitted was made by a subcontractor. We know they don’t make their barrels. So, you have the very heart of a rifle not being made by the company that sells it. Do they make cool looking handguards and receivers? Yeah, but they’re not even making the “working” parts of their rifles.
@@stevedavis1850 P.s. I have 4 Schmidt & Bender PMII 5-25. I really like them. They lack a locking ocular ring like Nightforce has (have 3 NFs, too), but to me (this can be subjective) their glass is better than NF. Tangent Theta is king of the rifle scope world, though, and sadly I don’t have any of those. As for LMT…LMT makes a lot of KAC’s stuff. I have had three QC issues with LMTs. They didn’t finish chambering a 300BLK barrel, so if you ever had to clear a chamber, you had to mortar the rifle because the bullets were stuck in the lands (and the cleared round would be partially pulled from the case). Then I had a bad bolt catch: there was this weird textured “nipple” left on it that would prevent you from being able to release the bolt. 3) I had a receiver set that was so poorly finished that it wouldn’t close. So I’m not real positive on LMT, but I once had a piston AR of theirs that was awesome. Sold it to justify buying the aforementioned KAC.
So much really great information thank you sir.
Thanks Russell. 👍🏼
Sig Sauer produced the 716 G2 DMR in 308Win and a 16" barrel with 1:10 twist. offered in 6.5CM with 18" barrel for only 1 year. out of production in 2020 as Sig was ramping up for MCX Spear contract.
Another great, informative video. Thanks!
Thank you👍🗽
Another great video Ray 👍
I have both barrels in 762 NATO and 6.5 CM and swapping barrels is straight forward. I have swapped barrels to see just how off my vortex razor 6-36 scope would be about 10x shooting 3 round each time and for my 20s, the 7.62 barrel was 2.7 mils high at 100 yards on average above center. I usually use the 762 barrel since 6.5 is just way too easy and more forgiving at 700-1000 yards. It possibly might promote bad habits because there’s a margin of error that .308 doesn’t have at that distance as you know. But I need to be on point with .308 at that distance. I haven’t take it out to 1100+ yards. My local range doesn’t go out that far. It’s nice but expensive.
I have 2 FNs and they both shoot .3" groups. Great guns. This was a great and honest video, thanks
5 shots? Do a video, I want to see it.
@OFFICIALUND If i knew how to do a video and post it here, i would be glad to. If you would like to se d me your email address i would be glad to send you all the pictures of the targets i have ahowing what my FNH guns can shoot.
So, I normally don’t get into the middle between commenters. When I was competing in heavy division I actually tested almost all available gas operated .308 platforms to include, HK 716, Larue, KAC, LWRC reaper and the Scar 17.
I did exactly what was listed above except I did 4, 5 shot groups.
The winner with 168gr and 175gr Federal was the SCAR 17. Average groups were right at 1moa. I am not a fanboy but I choose what will give me the best results. Needless to say, I competed with the SCAR that year. 👍🏼
@@XRING Sounds like you got an exceptional SCAR. The ones I’ve been behind/shot are good (as I’ve said), but are extremely susceptible to drift as they heat up over strings. Most are 1.5MOA over the regimen I described (all 175SMKs and usually 175FGMM).
Just lucky with that particular one and I knew it. I do agree that most don’t shoot that well.
Beautiful weapon.
You are using OTTO’s NoizeBarrier earbuds!!! I love them!
They are my favorites so far.
@@XRING my are 2 years old lol. The only ones I wear.
I use, Comply pro noise isolating earphone tips much better then the what it comes with it.
Wow, fantastic, really enjoyed, thanks 😊😊😊
What is the model and MOA of that SPUHR scope mount? Thanks for this video too.
Hi Ray,
On the speed drop shooting at distance you mentioned yards not meters, is speed drop then in yards? Just to confirm as I usually work fully in metric, mils etc..
Outstanding! As usual.
Wow I have never heard of setting up speed drop. Thanks! I have some homework to do.
Thank you for your time.
Damn sweet !! Which is better barrett m82 or this? Thinking of getting .Could u suggest?I had m16 for more than 10yrs. Now i'm interested shooting long ranged
Very nice video. Never pulled the trigger on a SCAR. But I have an JPR LRP-07 in 6.5 CM with a DD on the way. The JPR thing is probably the most capable rifle I own besides the 375 CheyTac.
I’ve had my dd5v3 3yrs and handloaded several thousand rds shootin 20oz lids@100
As always, great video.
The Kestrel is so much faster than the way we were taught 30 years ago.
That action sounds very smooth.
This is my first time viewing your video on the MK 20.
If I'm correct, this is a gas operated system, if so, none of us shooters have ever been fans of these systems without a pston. Technology has improved to incorporate the Piston, which eliminates gas blowback. A $5000. dollar rifle and no piston...that my friend is a Dealbreaker in ourcircle, and for good reason(s). Still, a fun video to watch, which proves my point. 😊
This is a piston rifle system.
I have a Ruger American hunter 6.5 creedmoor , of course I opened for the long bull barrel . I top it off with a vortex 5-25x56 1/4 moa diamond back tactical . My hope is that I could possibly get my scope matched to the rifle like you did in this video .
Great and informative video. BUT......what is your thought on the "smartscopest" ???
I Built my AR 10 in 6.5 Creedmor with 22" Heavy Barrel, 15 lbs... I would like to lighten it up, searching Barrel options.. I always enjoy your Videos, and share your Videos with my Shooting friends.
Dude you’re so cool I loved this video thank you!
The gun seemed amazingly quiet from the video, even without the suppressor. I was incredibly impressed with how quickly it could be used at different range once set up, and how accurate it was. I have spent twice as much on a camera body, and two and a half times as much on professional video camera, so it's a matter of perspective I guess.
Perfect set up, perfect!
This rifle coverage is… Pure Sex Ray 😂. Thanks for the coverage, and discussing speed drop again.
-Isaac
Which G&G? Gould &Goldrich? The holster maker?
Warranty voided in one trigger pull.
Its not a suppressed setting, read the manual. If you fire with a suppressor, you void the warranty. I have asked FN LEO, FN Retail and their warranty department just to verify. They say that the gas block is not set up for suppressed use. It is set for the same as the military regular use setting in its lower setting, the other is larger than the military setting. This is because they didnt want to deal with stoppages.
I originally rejetted my scar 20, i then went to the scarburator. I use a Silencerco Saker and a surefire socom. Im currently waiting for my hux worx 7.62 can to clear.
Does the kestrel bluetooth burn batteries that bad? I never had it on my military kestrel. I have one i bought through the unit that is rf disabled. It also has the ir suppressed screen.
Watched again, great info, thanks
Great video, Thank you.....very informative.
Very great and clear review sir! I have a scar20s 308 and upgrade NRCH with sure fire MB. What's the different 20s vs mk20 ssr? Thanks for great creating education videos.
My next Scar. I put in a 6.5 CM DSB 5R 20” barrel on my 17 before the 20s was made mainly to use as a dmr. It’s fitted with a Schmidt Bender 3-20 x 50 PMII Ultra short in a 34mm Spuhr qd mount with a 6 mil cant. The 20s will be the NRCH in 6.5 CM and will have the Schmidt Bender PMII 6-36 x 56 scope in Ral8000 on another 34mm Spuhr 6 mil cant qd mount.
That’s about a 10k setup? Sheesh. Only in my dreams.
I like this FN MK SSR SNIPPER
Great video anf information. I think the SCAR has run its course. It will make a good collector piece though at least.
Great Video. Thank you!
Great Video Ray. Thank you.
Great vid and very informative. But you didn’t mention what reticle are you running on the atacr? Looking at picking one up soon.
This one has the Tremor 3. My favorite for PRS is the Mil-XT when shooting NF scopes.
Excellent video and excellent rifle 🍻
#Question Hmm .. I doubt I'm the only one that can HEAR that bullet flying through the air and hitting!? Maybe the sound stage he has going in this video with the microphone but I cant usually hear the bullet flying through the air. @MK20 pretty good mid-tier gun. I'd give it a solid C+!!😉
Awesome demo. Thanks.
Good looking rifle. What ear buds you using looking for a new pair