Was a pleasure having you in the house! Thanks for all you do for the kingdom and highlighting how our ministry has been stewarding what God is doing through the production/worship realm!
@@BlairNeis mainly for mood setting. It can also intensify the blinders, that events use. It doesn't look brighter just brings out the effect. I believe Ryland Russel did a nice video explaining some of the points of haze. Just don't go with a fog machine.
@@murraybarton9142 cool, i mean what machine brand? and is it oil based or water based. i like how it doesn't look like your using to much its a good amount.
You guys should do a tech tour of "Hope Bible Church", in Oakville, ON, Canada. It's a great example of a church that really values excellence and quality, without appearing like highly produced "rock concert" like so many of these other tech tours you guys do. :) It's a great balance I find. They also have overflow rooms, which I don't think I've seen in any of your tech tours.
Wow, out of everything excellent they had in the setup. I got excited about cable management! One thing that gives me OCD is the unmanaged cables in our Media/TV Room! I also love how he said the Pastor likes to make last-minute changes. That is a standard expectation that the media team has, lol. I can't wait for our church to rebuild. I will suggest AVAD3 at our next meeting.
Thanks for doing these tours. They have been useful while planning a large facility add on. One minor correction: 9:43 the mixrack is actually the mixer. It is the brain and does ALL of the processing of the audio. You can have any control surface (or no control surface). In fact, if the control surface in the booth dies or gets disconnected, the audio will continue uninterrupted because it is not processing the audio at all. You could continue on the iPad or another surface. The mix rack can contain audio inputs, but they are not required if they are present elsewhere in the system or audio network. This is a huge difference between this type of system and a fully integrated one like an X32. It would allow a touring group to have a different control surface for on stage monitors and FOH, but only need 1 mix rack. In expansive, facility-wide systems with a good network, you could theoretically get away with 1 mix rack and many control surfaces (assuming the channel counts and buss availability needs were met).
I was thinking the same thing. The best wording I’ve heard for it was that the mix rack is the brain and what he was calling the “console” is actually just the surface. Same way a profile has a brain and a surface. Benefit of the dLive though is that your brain and io is all one rack where avid has the brain and the io separate.
What was the name of the lighting tape under the drums? It sounded like Ntech Drum Tape but I’m struggling to find it on Google. Is the brand name spelt differently? 22:07
What is the name of the IP KVM switch system you’re using here? You mentioned it was $50K. I can’t imagine spending that much at my church but I do like the idea of having all computers rack mounted and then have workstations access those computers using a “terminal” with monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. 29:04
Great video but a poor explanation of the Allen and Heath Mix rack. The mix rack is where all of the processing happens for the DLive system. The console is just a control surface. Any IO on the surface functions like a stagebox.
Probably gonna go with a Helix for possibly playing with my Church. Seems to be the only all in 1 solution right now since it has an EXP Pedal. Any feedback from the guitar players on full size vs smaller, or skip it entirely for another product (fm9 etc..)?
I'm an analog guy for my own music but I love using the Helix for our church's context. The malleability is great for us. I definitely recommend starting by purchasing a David Hislop preset or something similar and mod it to fit your church. Hope this helps!
Would it be possible to provide a link to the first row of tables used in the Live Video room of this church. I am in need of desks like that, and can not seem to find them on Google.
An observation about the wireless mics. He said that he kept the SE grills with the Beta 87 capsules. The grill plays a major roll in the proximity effect and frequency response of the capsule. They are not really designed to be mixed and matched.
I'm 19 years old and I just got a job as the Audio Director & FOH/studio engineer at a similar sized church. We're running a DLive C3500 and Waves SG as well. This gave me a TON of ideas on some things to do with our setup.
the ceiling of our church is made of zinc,, for sound dampening is quite difficult,, after all, our church only has volunteers in Sunday service like me.... Greetings from Sabah, Malaysia
He was incorrect bout the dLive system. The best wording I’ve heard for it was that the mix rack is the brain and what he was calling the “console” is actually just the surface. Same way a profile or an S6L has a brain and a surface. Benefit (or problem) of the dLive though is that your brain and io is all one rack where avid has the brain and the io separate. The mix rack having three additional ion slots and the surface having two additional io slots that connect to the mix rack the same way the surface does.
at 10:54 Jake mentions that they have Smart running on a computer. Could someone please give me more information about that? Where to find it? Etc. Thanks!
sorry for the possibly stupid question, but is it possible to connect touchscreen monitors to a macbook or macmini, I mean for a soundgrid system 19:49
UPPERROOM would be a fantastic addition to this series. I believe they are one of the churches on the front lines, shaping modern church production. Hope you guys get the chance to check them out Jake and team! Thank you!!
Love these tech tours Jake! Thanks for bringing them to us. A thought I always ponder on and I wish there was a poll of some sort done- I often wonder what decision the majority of Church’s make when it comes down to spending on production upgrades. How many church’s take the approach “let’s go ahead and get it because we believe the impact it will have will be exponential” vs. “let’s just get what we can piece by piece as to not spend too much in that area all at one time.” I know there are several variables that play a part in that and that different churches place a higher value in different areas of ministry but anyhow, I just wonder. Do you have any insight from your vantage point?
Very nice setup. What beltpacks do they use for the wireless camera operators? I can't seem to find wireless beltpacks on studio tech website. Is it a different system?
Because the sound engineer needs to hear the sound most of the crowd are listen to. That’s why it is called front of house. It’s ideally in the middle of the venue.
I would NOT put it directly in the middle center of building.. but rather just have the downstairs instead of the balcony or just avoid any high place for mixing sound. And never put the soundit into a full covered booth. Never do that for live. 😜😊
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I will say it again: you really don't need F1.4 or whatever you are using filmig this. Too shallow depth of filed is not useful when trying to present information and detail. It also makes it harder for your focus, wich is distracting. Basicly there is too little your are showing on this tours, and it is a shame - a lot of people, me including, think this is is really the best content of this sort out there!
And all this is paid for directly by your neighbors who work hard for their money and genuinely think they're giving it to build "the kingdom of God", as if God needs any of this technology to spread his message.
Where does it end tho? Don’t build a church building cause God doesn’t need a “room” to spread His message. The reality is people are giving to the kingdom of God. A pastor can be creative with his message, the worship team can be creative vocally, but DO NOT under any circumstance be creative with lighting your pastor, making sure people can hear him, or putting His slides on a screen for visual learners. How dare you!
@@KentL3451 Slippery slope fallacy but sort of reversed. Basic idea here is that the amount of money put into this is absurd. My church, the one I grew up in, yeah, we had an audio guy and we had a handful of sound panels for acoustics, and we had a few theatre lights up there, but nothing too special. Since I left (after graduating high school), they've updated from analog mixer to digital and they added some uplights as well. The auditorium is technically a gymnasium. I now have the tech theatre skills to seriously improve their lighting, but even if I was asked, I wouldn't change it one bit. It was perfect the way it was. It's not f-ing theatre. It's a church service. The technical stuff should only be there to illuminate and amplify. Contrary to your comment, it's more than possible to draw a much MUCH better line between egregious over-spending on theatrical gear that's obscenely gratuitous, like the church in this video, and having a decent, modest church service, like my hometown church. You can argue that you reach more people with all the fancy tech stuff, but if that's what's driving audience size, you're probably just increasing audience size. You're probably not increasing church family size. It's not supposed to be an audience. It's not a theatre house. [Edit: It's really more of a false dichotomy than reversed slippery-slope]
@@jordanhenshaw ok but what amount of money is ok? So is it ok to only spend $50,000? $100,000? 1,000,000? Like what’s a lot to you, might not be a lot to a church with an operating budget of let’s days $10,000,000. A smal church spending $10,000 for an entire tech but has an operating budget of let’s days $75,000 per year is less frugal, then a $10,000,000 operating budget church spending $1,000,000 for a one time install. So my question is what is the number since we are being so dogmatic here. If it’s wrong fine, what’s too much and what isn’t too much. Cause again, a lot to you, might not feel like a lot to someone else. Also if we are only talking gear per se as you mentioned too much lighting how many lights is ok? 3 and then once they have 4 it’s bad? 10 ok but once 11 it’s bad? Cameras? 1 ok but 2 is absurd? Like it’s very legalistic stating some is ok but “this amount” is just too much. If the leadership at that church felt they were being good stewards and using it the right way, who are you to say “well that’s just too much”. Ok take half of it all away. Is it ok now?
@@KentL3451 Exactly how much make-up does a lumberjack need on a typical day on the job? Exactly how much make-up does a Hollywood actress need on a typical day on the job? In performance venues, the question you’re asking is the correct question to ask. However, in God’s house, it’s not the right question to ask. Because it’s not supposed to be emotionally manipulative performance.
The pro mist filter is strong with this one. 😁
Absolutely love these Worship Tech Tours!!
This is the way 👍💪
Was a pleasure having you in the house! Thanks for all you do for the kingdom and highlighting how our ministry has been stewarding what God is doing through the production/worship realm!
Thank you for sharing my dream church i wish i could visit someday (but im in australia). sorry.
what are you using for haze?
@@BlairNeis mainly for mood setting. It can also intensify the blinders, that events use. It doesn't look brighter just brings out the effect. I believe Ryland Russel did a nice video explaining some of the points of haze.
Just don't go with a fog machine.
@@murraybarton9142 cool, i mean what machine brand? and is it oil based or water based. i like how it doesn't look like your using to much its a good amount.
@@BlairNeisMDG ATMe
Great tour, awesome AVL setups. Thanks Kyle!
Bro!!! I’m loving these Tech Tours!! 🔥🔥🔥
You guys should do a tech tour of "Hope Bible Church", in Oakville, ON, Canada. It's a great example of a church that really values excellence and quality, without appearing like highly produced "rock concert" like so many of these other tech tours you guys do. :) It's a great balance I find. They also have overflow rooms, which I don't think I've seen in any of your tech tours.
I 100% agree
Kyle Bowman is something of a genius, methinks....
Knowledgeable, articulate; worthy of more than they pay him, I'm sure.
Wow, out of everything excellent they had in the setup. I got excited about cable management! One thing that gives me OCD is the unmanaged cables in our Media/TV Room! I also love how he said the Pastor likes to make last-minute changes. That is a standard expectation that the media team has, lol. I can't wait for our church to rebuild. I will suggest AVAD3 at our next meeting.
Thanks so much! We love cable organization as you can see! haha
Thanks for doing these tours. They have been useful while planning a large facility add on. One minor correction: 9:43 the mixrack is actually the mixer. It is the brain and does ALL of the processing of the audio. You can have any control surface (or no control surface). In fact, if the control surface in the booth dies or gets disconnected, the audio will continue uninterrupted because it is not processing the audio at all. You could continue on the iPad or another surface. The mix rack can contain audio inputs, but they are not required if they are present elsewhere in the system or audio network. This is a huge difference between this type of system and a fully integrated one like an X32. It would allow a touring group to have a different control surface for on stage monitors and FOH, but only need 1 mix rack. In expansive, facility-wide systems with a good network, you could theoretically get away with 1 mix rack and many control surfaces (assuming the channel counts and buss availability needs were met).
Pleaseee, do a tech tour at Passion City Church in Atlanta at 515 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 from Brazil 🇧🇷🔥
Mixrack is the brains... the console is essentially a keyboard and mouse....
I was thinking the same thing. The best wording I’ve heard for it was that the mix rack is the brain and what he was calling the “console” is actually just the surface. Same way a profile has a brain and a surface. Benefit of the dLive though is that your brain and io is all one rack where avid has the brain and the io separate.
What was the name of the lighting tape under the drums? It sounded like Ntech Drum Tape but I’m struggling to find it on Google. Is the brand name spelt differently? 22:07
Hey there! The company is "ENTTEC"
@@kylebowman1922 cheers!
I love worship tech tours.. please never stop doing them.
to be clear, the MixRack IS the mixing console with dLive. The control surface in the booth is the extension.
What is the name of the IP KVM switch system you’re using here? You mentioned it was $50K. I can’t imagine spending that much at my church but I do like the idea of having all computers rack mounted and then have workstations access those computers using a “terminal” with monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. 29:04
Great video but a poor explanation of the Allen and Heath Mix rack. The mix rack is where all of the processing happens for the DLive system. The console is just a control surface. Any IO on the surface functions like a stagebox.
Probably gonna go with a Helix for possibly playing with my Church. Seems to be the only all in 1 solution right now since it has an EXP Pedal. Any feedback from the guitar players on full size vs smaller, or skip it entirely for another product (fm9 etc..)?
I'm an analog guy for my own music but I love using the Helix for our church's context. The malleability is great for us. I definitely recommend starting by purchasing a David Hislop preset or something similar and mod it to fit your church. Hope this helps!
Would be interesting to see and hear the newest L Acoustic L-series for this location. 😀👌
How can I get you out to SanAntonio to look at a church I kinda help out
Would it be possible to provide a link to the first row of tables used in the Live Video room of this church. I am in need of desks like that, and can not seem to find them on Google.
Will see if we can get one for you!
It is a company called CabinetWorks!
Happy to see if that helps me navigate there. I’m in need of a couple of them
An observation about the wireless mics. He said that he kept the SE grills with the Beta 87 capsules. The grill plays a major roll in the proximity effect and frequency response of the capsule. They are not really designed to be mixed and matched.
Soo cool ❤ video
I'm 19 years old and I just got a job as the Audio Director & FOH/studio engineer at a similar sized church. We're running a DLive C3500 and Waves SG as well. This gave me a TON of ideas on some things to do with our setup.
Brooklyn Tabernacle, Purpose Life Church, CCC (All in Brooklyn NY)
the ceiling of our church is made of zinc,, for sound dampening is quite difficult,, after all, our church only has volunteers in Sunday service like me.... Greetings from Sabah, Malaysia
He was incorrect bout the dLive system. The best wording I’ve heard for it was that the mix rack is the brain and what he was calling the “console” is actually just the surface. Same way a profile or an S6L has a brain and a surface. Benefit (or problem) of the dLive though is that your brain and io is all one rack where avid has the brain and the io separate. The mix rack having three additional ion slots and the surface having two additional io slots that connect to the mix rack the same way the surface does.
at 10:54 Jake mentions that they have Smart running on a computer. Could someone please give me more information about that? Where to find it? Etc. Thanks!
You guys should do New Walk Church ZephyHills FL
what’s do they mean with the room mic and ear mic for vocals?
are they running vocals like stereo?
sorry for the possibly stupid question, but is it possible to connect touchscreen monitors to a macbook or macmini, I mean for a soundgrid system 19:49
Can you do a tutorial for Propresenter and when to use the free and paid version. Thank you.
Very, very nice cable management at this church.
What lighting was to light up the speaker? you said LED
Thank you for the excellent video! Very enjoyable
QUSIS ? i need a link please 30:00
It’s Qsys
Awwww yeah! Go Kyle and Stevie! 😊🙌🏻👏🏻
UPPERROOM would be a fantastic addition to this series. I believe they are one of the churches on the front lines, shaping modern church production. Hope you guys get the chance to check them out Jake and team! Thank you!!
Love these tech tours Jake! Thanks for bringing them to us. A thought I always ponder on and I wish there was a poll of some sort done- I often wonder what decision the majority of Church’s make when it comes down to spending on production upgrades. How many church’s take the approach “let’s go ahead and get it because we believe the impact it will have will be exponential” vs. “let’s just get what we can piece by piece as to not spend too much in that area all at one time.” I know there are several variables that play a part in that and that different churches place a higher value in different areas of ministry but anyhow, I just wonder. Do you have any insight from your vantage point?
Thank you for sharing!
What is that synthesizer called at 14:28
Very nice setup. What beltpacks do they use for the wireless camera operators? I can't seem to find wireless beltpacks on studio tech website. Is it a different system?
Camera operator here... we use 15 yr old Clear-Com wireless headsets.
There's a few brands out there. B&H might be a good place to look around.
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wheres the avad3 link in the description
it's the first link - churchfront.me/avad3-careers
Love the dLive😌
which projectors are they using for the 3 screens?
Panasonic PT-RZ790 WXUGA
what are they using for haze?
MDG ATMe!
Why is the FOH always in the middle?
So they can listen to both left and right at the same time
Because the sound engineer needs to hear the sound most of the crowd are listen to. That’s why it is called front of house. It’s ideally in the middle of the venue.
I would NOT put it directly in the middle center of building.. but rather just have the downstairs instead of the balcony or just avoid any high place for mixing sound.
And never put the soundit into a full covered booth. Never do that for live. 😜😊
I will say it again: you really don't need F1.4 or whatever you are using filmig this. Too shallow depth of filed is not useful when trying to present information and detail. It also makes it harder for your focus, wich is distracting. Basicly there is too little your are showing on this tours, and it is a shame - a lot of people, me including, think this is is really the best content of this sort out there!
And if you donate today, and continue donation to prove your devotion to us. 😂 Guys, it’s church.
And all this is paid for directly by your neighbors who work hard for their money and genuinely think they're giving it to build "the kingdom of God", as if God needs any of this technology to spread his message.
Where does it end tho? Don’t build a church building cause God doesn’t need a “room” to spread His message. The reality is people are giving to the kingdom of God. A pastor can be creative with his message, the worship team can be creative vocally, but DO NOT under any circumstance be creative with lighting your pastor, making sure people can hear him, or putting His slides on a screen for visual learners. How dare you!
@@KentL3451 Slippery slope fallacy but sort of reversed. Basic idea here is that the amount of money put into this is absurd. My church, the one I grew up in, yeah, we had an audio guy and we had a handful of sound panels for acoustics, and we had a few theatre lights up there, but nothing too special. Since I left (after graduating high school), they've updated from analog mixer to digital and they added some uplights as well. The auditorium is technically a gymnasium. I now have the tech theatre skills to seriously improve their lighting, but even if I was asked, I wouldn't change it one bit. It was perfect the way it was. It's not f-ing theatre. It's a church service. The technical stuff should only be there to illuminate and amplify. Contrary to your comment, it's more than possible to draw a much MUCH better line between egregious over-spending on theatrical gear that's obscenely gratuitous, like the church in this video, and having a decent, modest church service, like my hometown church.
You can argue that you reach more people with all the fancy tech stuff, but if that's what's driving audience size, you're probably just increasing audience size. You're probably not increasing church family size. It's not supposed to be an audience. It's not a theatre house.
[Edit: It's really more of a false dichotomy than reversed slippery-slope]
@@jordanhenshaw ok but what amount of money is ok? So is it ok to only spend $50,000? $100,000? 1,000,000? Like what’s a lot to you, might not be a lot to a church with an operating budget of let’s days $10,000,000. A smal church spending $10,000 for an entire tech but has an operating budget of let’s days $75,000 per year is less frugal, then a $10,000,000 operating budget church spending $1,000,000 for a one time install. So my question is what is the number since we are being so dogmatic here. If it’s wrong fine, what’s too much and what isn’t too much. Cause again, a lot to you, might not feel like a lot to someone else.
Also if we are only talking gear per se as you mentioned too much lighting how many lights is ok? 3 and then once they have 4 it’s bad? 10 ok but once 11 it’s bad?
Cameras? 1 ok but 2 is absurd?
Like it’s very legalistic stating some is ok but “this amount” is just too much. If the leadership at that church felt they were being good stewards and using it the right way, who are you to say “well that’s just too much”. Ok take half of it all away. Is it ok now?
@@KentL3451 Exactly how much make-up does a lumberjack need on a typical day on the job?
Exactly how much make-up does a Hollywood actress need on a typical day on the job?
In performance venues, the question you’re asking is the correct question to ask. However, in God’s house, it’s not the right question to ask. Because it’s not supposed to be emotionally manipulative performance.