Who Is In Charge of the Salvage in Baltimore?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Who is in Charge in Baltimore?
What's Going on With Shipping?
March 28, 2024
In this episode - maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - discusses the three salvage operations that have to be attempted and the lack of an incident commander to oversee the situation.
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I worked in the incident command center on the BP oil spill and based on what I saw, don't forget how federal, state and especially local politicians can muddy up the works when efforts are underway to resolve a situation. Remember, there are advisors to politicians who are - at this very moment - devising ways to use this situation to further their own agendas. That sort of stuff has no place in a recovery operation.
Truth!!😮😮😮😮
Biden and Buttigieg jumped on that band wagon first.
This is Baltimore, MD, too... I don't see them doing anything but playing political football with it...
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The folks that rise to the higher levels of authority these days probably didn't get there by being good at their job.
Agree 1000%
It’s funny how much better RUclips is then TV stations if you just know where to look.
Yeah, instead of listening to one news company thats spending millions of dollars to hire hundreds of midwits you can just listen to one smart guy who actually knows what he's talking about.
And yet worse, just inches below that...
TV stations are Programing and Propaganda.
“ know where to look” is key…but yes, very accurate about RUclips vs Trash News
Truth
Thanks for volunteering to be in charge Sal! Enjoy!
He'll do great!
Make us proud!!
I was thinking the same! With Sal's experience and knowledge I think he would be a great choice. But would he want this job? Sal? What do you say?
I'm just over a minute in and I'm already feeling like this guy's going to explain this better than any news network
The two most frequent failures in an emergency response; incident command and communication. Watching the news often highlights when these are failing. Good call Sal.
Yes, so thankful for SAL and his respectable outlook & information!!😊😊
Maryland has poor leadership
@billiamc1969 all of America does 😂
@@billiamc1969Joe is too old for the job, no wonder the country is in mess
@@timsmith2279 Would Trump have guided this ship safely under the bridge?
Politicians never let a good disaster go to waste!
neither do sociopaths
Not just politicians but anyone with an agenda. Anyone. Completely unrelated? No problem, we'll send out a press release anyway!
so true
And people like you never let anything not involve politics.
Tragically true. And they keep saying it’s not over, but it’s over. Thug politics, intimidation and extortion through government agencies, Weaponizing the courts and it’s all been prophesied. A government from the people by the people and for the people? It seems obvious to everyone, And yet they say the election process led to this. I wonder.
Sal, the next time you are interviewed by a news channel can you put a few things to rest as your reach is further than mine? Everyone is making the fact that the ship was carrying hazmat out to be a big deal. Ships transport hazmat. It's not a crime or out of the ordinary. Everyone is also up in arms about the sheen on the water. As both you and I know the majority of that sheen isn't coming from the ship or the cargo, but rather the oil residue on the 1000+ ft of roadway that is now in the river. As a 21 year Navy Engineman I love your channel!! Keep up the great work.
It is a big deal. Perhaps you aren't aware of the train derailment in Palestine Ohio that was carrying hazardous chemicals. That derailment released the chemicals into the air and ground that killed tens of thousands of animals. There are tons of videos of the "sheen" on the water that was measured and was extremely toxic levels. This is a big deal. Try living in an area that was affected by such disasters. You'll understand then
@@olliefoxx7165
You really shouldn't believe most of what you hear on the news or social media, Especially on technical matters.
News media get nearly everything wrong and sensationalize it as much as possible. On top of that you have politicians, activists and who knows how many other influencers trying to distort and manipulate things.
You say that test show that the sheen on the water is toxic but do you know what tests, who did them or anything else about it? Do you know what material that "toxic sheen" is supposed to be or if it came from containers on the ship?
The "toxic sheen" could very well be residual that built up on the bridge over the years or stuff that was in the bottom of the river that was churned up recently. The "toxic sheen" might not actually be toxic.
I admit that it could possibly be something serious but it very well may be nothing at all. The point is that we can't just believe what we hear and we definitely shouldn't overreact to what we hear because it's probably incorrect.
@@olliefoxx7165any contamination is not good, but the ocean is bigger than the Palestine USA waterways
@drlax15m I agree, dispersal is easier in the ocean however the local fisheries will be impacted. I've witnessed that firsthand. I know you aren't minimizing the impact, I'm just trying to highlight it for folks who have never lived in areas that where such incidences happen.
@@olliefoxx7165 Baltimore Harbor has a "sheen" most of the time from various sources. The harbor and the Patapsco River are no where near the cleanest bodies of water in the US. The Coast Guard said yesterday that the hazmat material on board is minimal and is not a problem. The fuel oil in the ship is a concern but has been contained
As a retired Navy / Coast Guard vet.. I appreciate your channel a bunch
Very professional channel !!! As a trucker that frequent that bridge and speaking for other truckers we thank you for the insight and updates
Indeed!!!
is that bridge the hazmat route?
@@xisotopex yes,or you can go around the west side of 95
@@xisotopex that and the north beltway are
As a trucker, does this mean that now heavy truck traffic has to go 895? Or can they use the tunnel?
An iron worker here. Just clearing the trusses seems over whelming to me and I have never had to deal with water like this salvage requires.
Thank you for that observation sir..😮😮😮😮😮
Thank you. Looking at the tangle all I could think of was how careful they have to go with buildings after an earthquake so they don't destabilize everything and create another disaster. I am sure this would have to be the same to keep the workers safe.
My guess is they will use a lot of explosives . How they remove the bridge from the bow is beyond me.
Engage the clutch, put it in reverse, rev it up , drop the clutch. LOL
Foot by foot would be my guess.
As a certified welder fabricator and a lil demolition work, they will bring in cranes on barges to support the falling bridge as the start to cut away pieces from the ship. Then you back it out. The rest will be cut into manageable pieces, lifted and hauled away. It's a very slow process. They need to let army engineering Corp do it. They get shit done.
Sal,
you give the impression that you are the man to be in charge.
you certainly have my support !
Thanks, Sal. My first source for credible and current maritime news.
News report: "Well, Jim, it appears that a large ship has struck a bridge." This is why it's such a blessing to have someone who knows what they're talking about to give us the full picture. Thanks again, Sal.
Well it could be the Magician David Copperfield doing some magic, we just don't know at this time, over to Chris for the Weather.
Case study: that mook on CNBC saying this was completely preventable if we just had fewer regulations and more regulation at the same time.
@@blairhoughton7918 Schrodinger's Protocol?
@@edgleason8918 Nothing so elegant or modern. Just a snake-oil salesman talking out of both sides of his mouth to bamboozle the mob.
In addition to the massive over simplification that you get from news reports you also have to add in the massive amount of wrong information that they usually include...
I'll add myself to the list of folks that are grateful to have you as the definitive source of info on all aspects of this tragedy. A huge thanks to you and the work that you do. I'll continue to promote your site to those that want more than minimal media coverage. Seven minutes with Sal equals hours of mainstream news.
Thank you for your clear, no BS analysis and comments. Thank you also for your highlighting of the need and efficacy of the ICS and the importance of a competent, no BS, non-political Incident Commander. Having both worked under ICS as a firefighter and as a disaster relief person, and having served as an Incident Commander myself, I find you spot on with your comments.
Your videos on this matter are excellent. There is no stirring the pot of conspiracy just presenting on what is know at the time you post these videos. Other than a couple of other videos I've seen that seems their purpose is to fan the flames. Keep on reporting accurate and factual information on this tragic event.
Another kudos for Sal and likeminded people.
Man, you are spot on. The variety of contractors is enormous! The funding, various pots of city, state, and federal funds. Individual politicians trying to get noticed! Welders, tug operators, barge owners, steel recyclers, concrete operators. Craziness! Thank you for being on here. You were my first choice for intelligent analysis of this situation. Thank you.
My Dad worked on the Bay bridge for 7 yrs after 33 yrs in the Army as an Engineer , He was the man that was in charge of 33 Contractors including the Divers , When I visited him 1 weekend Everyone feared him they would say here comes the Bossman. they didn't know I was his son. I said Daddy why is everyone afraid of you , he said because people try to take shortcuts and you get hurt when that happens, So I am walking or driving very slowly looking at everything, Talking to different Supervisors from different Contractors and timing Concrete pours and making sure All trucks meet specifications on Concrete and checking on Girder strength and design is Correct. He had 12 guys under him that did alot of this but if they had a problem, He stepped in and from what I heard YOU did not want him stepping in because heads would fly, I know my Dads best phase was you can't do it, I will find someone to get it DONE Right.
My favorite comment was from General Maddis (AKA Maddog) when asked what keeps him awake at night. He said" No one keeps me awake. I keep THEM awake"! My kind of guy for Sec of Defense.
Just to add, my dad always said slow and careful, do it right or do it twice.
My brother was an inspector in marine yards for navy ships. . He was hated and loved it .
So the worst type of person to work for lol
Pretty Much but like he said NO 1 Died while he was in charge and he got it on time@@manuelpiston
I am a tug captain in eastern Canada and have worked for years in the port of Halifax. Halifax harbour has two bridges and container ships the size of Dali come and go daily under these bridges.. but never without tug escort! There are always at least one and usually two tethered tugs escorting these ships under the bridges both inbound and outbound and exactly for this reason.Tethered tugs could have prevented this accident. Going forward I'm sure this will be a requirement in US ports as it is here in Canada!
No joke a buddy at work sent me your video from the other day and was like ‘dude this guy is great he knows what he’s talking about you gotta see this video.’
I said ‘ bro I already saw this yesterday this guy IS great.’
3.1 million views!!!
Thanks for the fantastic information.
We're fortunate to have you Sal, along with your many years of maritime experience.👍
And thankful we are!!❤❤❤
Agree
So, Sal says we should blow it up?
@@catsupchutneythat’s what I got out of this. 💥 💥💥🥳
Don’t blow up the whale!
Sal…
Love this guy he is very knowledgeable and has a level head.
Amazing man of truth & honor, and I just discovered his channel 3 days ago!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Not just in charge but an intelligent, pragmatic, and humble individual, great points.
I love it when a true expert post something as accurate as this. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Well said Sal. Too many egos want to be involved. Never a good thing.
Agree.....!!!!!
Well reasoned and well presented. Your points concerning chest-bumping and media seeking need to be heard by all participants. As a pipefitter, we had a saying; “Talk don’t hang no pipe”.
You’re also correct that everyone will be on the podium to take credit.
Yup!!😮😮😮😮
It'd be awesome if they were on the podium for getting it done faster and more efficiently with zero safety incidents.
(holds breath)
(expires)
You can get a lot done if you don't care who gets the credit.
@@blairhoughton7918I hope you meant exhales rather than expires. Either way, you're right: the likelihood of your awesome podium particulars occurring is well under 1%.
You are 100% correct, for the safety of the rescue, workers and construction workers, helping to get the port of Baltimore back open as soon as possible. It is hyper critical that a strong incident command system be set up with a single leader and clear lines of communication up and down.
Thank you for taking lead on this. Your expertise is invaluable. I appreciate you and thank you very much for your time and service. 😊
Sal is the voice of logic and reason. I hope the "leaders" take his advice and get the job done.
The NTSB press conference was interesting . So a voyage data recorder does less than its airline counterparts
Less need for such granular data I'd say
@@tomr6955 Not to mention that the trips tend to be a _wee_ bit longer.
NTSB looked like the Mod Squad. DEI - Didn't Earn It.
And we have video of it. And we know exactly where the ship is... and it happened really slowly lol
Are you stupid? It looked basically the same as engineering teams I've seen in loads of investigation.@@juliepiemonte3268
Excellent point on the need to have one person in charge.
As a pilot, can't imagine "flight by committee" for example.
Unless the person in charge insists on a DEI (Didn't Earn It) crew.
@@josephnovak8391it astounds me that there are morons that believe that someone from a “diverse” background can’t be qualified or didn’t “earn” a position.
@@daveulmer
I feel Joe Biden himself should take command of this situation.
He's the kind of guy that get's things done!
@@josephnovak8391 blaming everything on racism aka DEI/Affirmative Action is not factual, and counter productive towards the Human Rights goal of the elimination of its biggest enemy, government sanctioned race and gender quotas.
Want to help? Vote out any politician who supports racism/DEI.....looks like that means every single Democrat.
@@daveulmerIts true everything is collapsing because of them.
You are the go to for balanced accuracy on shipping matters and I respect how you convey the information to landlubbers like me. My concern on the cleanup will be the committees that can and probably will delay the works extensively, instead of allocating a team of experienced no nonsense people to get the job done in a timely manner. With the government here in Australia, it would take years to even start to clean up and remove all the damage, let alone replacing the bridge. The cost blowouts from poorly managed projects here have made our State bankrupt and will take over 60 years to pay back what we owe now. I hope it doesn’t occur there.
@kimkeam2094 Victorian, right? Me too.
The Dali crew that stayed on the forecastle to drop the anchor as the ship approached the bridge deserve some credit.
Actually in hindsight the anchor probably backfired. Without left anchor the ship will probably won’t hit the bridge at all 😂
@@stc2828 Yeah, that little detail will be massive stick in the wheel spokes for this whole operation, depending on who ordered and did what. Pilots are responsible when they take command but if crew did that on their own... ou boy
Thanks, Sal. You're the only information source that makes complete sense of the Red Sea issue (avoiding taking a drink) and this Baltimore Catastrophe. Thanks, again!
Absolutely!!😊😊😊😊
I'll drink to that!
Good morning ! This channel is fantastic ! All I saw is a whole lot of blather on the mainstream media ! This is the best place for real info ! Thanks ! Dear Key Bridge ! I hope they can put her back as she was and looked !
Agree!!!!
It'll definitely be rebuilt, but no chance it's the same.
So the same can happen again?
I totally agree. I can’t listen to the media’s endless speculation and babble. Like a dog chasing his tail.
Meh, we'll see.
YES YES and YES-There should be an Incident Management Team working for that one Incident Commander to oversee and coordinate the entire operation. This is a Type 1 Incident, and for Baltimore's sake, hopefully it will be managed appropriately.
You provide the facts with no frills. I am grateful that I found you. Thank you.
Gosh, golly. Seems like an obvious question..."who's in charge?" Yet you make it clear there's so many big-hats wanting to look on top of things it has potential to spin into a fiasco, fast. It's amazing how your stars are lining up Sal. You're very deserving of recognition. I know you've been invaluable for me to begin to learn the complexity of maritime shipping.
Sal should be in charge!
Gosh. Folly. Lucky stars.
Who's in charge here?
To turn it round and quote Admiral Rickover, "If you cannot tell me the name of who is in charge, then nobody is".
In my field (IT), we are supposed to create detailed plans that specify EXACTLY who is in charge if there is a disaster as well as who the backup person would be if that person were to be unavailable. If a disaster happens, you shouldn't be wasting time trying to figure out who is in command or who to call first. That should already be determined along with a lot of other things (continuity of operations, etc).
Since I have been required in the past to take organizational disaster preparedness training from the US federal government itself, I know that these are NOT foreign concepts to them.
I sincerely hope that Maryland and the federal government made the plans they were supposed to make BEFORE anything like this happened. We'll see, I suppose, but government incompetence is hardly a rare occurrence.
I live on the Patapsco just downriver in the first residential community after the industrial area - just 2 miles downstream - and our community is very concerned about what pollutants are released by both the bridge and the ship. There's longstanding contaminants under the sediment from past industrial pollution that could also be stirred up. One chemical is chromium that could change state and become very toxic if released into the water since it is in a less toxic state in the sediment. We're on the lookout for pollution and dead fish.
As a FD volunteer, ICS is such a powerful force for task management I didn’t understand before volunteering. 100% agree.
Thank you, I’ve been watching you since this started. Everyone has so many questions and Sir, you have a lot of answers. I recommend your channel to all looking for answers. Your knowledge of this situation and your common sense let’s me know there is still hope out there for humanity. Thank you 🙏🏽
I agree with your call. One person will have to be in charge, period! This ain't a job for a committee or a political appointee. For what it is worth, the commandant of the Coast Guard should be the incident commander.
Probably some DEI appointee that checks all the boxes and is clueless about the enorminity of the task. It will take years to rebuild the bridge.
@@WesB1972Everyone please report this racist.
@@WesB1972Proving your ignorance with every word. Good Job.
Great job, Sal. I love having a non-political, honest broker of all things marine.
Professor Sal. Again you are the smart man on this With your clear thinking.
Thank You For Sharing Your Knowledge And I Hope Someone Has Brains Enough To Get This In Control!
Your coverage popped up in my feed just about as soon as you posted your first analysis of this situation. I don't know why or how RUclips would know that I'd want to watch you, but I'll tell you, your channel and your coverage is my go to for information about this situation. Thank you.
Sal had a field day with Evergiven in the Suez Canal! The algorithm remembers.
Back in college, I took courses on the National Incident Management Systems (NIMS), and it was really eye-opening to the inherent complexity with any sort of disaster or wide-spread incident. I think we all know to some degree that these situations are complicated, but getting those levels of certification really opened up the gritty details of What You NEED to Do when something like this happens. And you're absolutely right. There HAS to be a Commander in charge, even if that gets passed up to more capable/knowledgeable people as time goes on, you NEED a Single Point of Decision making.
There is a reason its said logistics is what wins and loses wars.
If I want to know what’s happening and what needs to happen I click on your channel my friend. Thank you , knowledge and common sense a truly rare commodity set these days 👏👏
Your channel is very informative. I’m learning so much about the world of shipping. Thank you for sharing your expertise. Much appreciated😊
Great to hear you stress the ICS system. As a fellow retired volunteer fire guy I appreciate that
Even on hours after the accident, the officials were congratulating themselves and other agencies at the pressers. I can’t tell you how distasteful that is, especially as they hadn’t even done anything yet. Let the first responders do their job and stay out of the way.
Nowdays, that's the norm,, shameful!!!😮😮😮😮😮
#marylandstrong👎
Yup to many cooks spoil the the meal.
Don't forget, dementia joe used to ride the train across that bridge, even though there never were any railroad tracks there.
The on-screen press conference inter-departmental backslapping & congratulations is an integral part of an any emergency disaster plan...🤔🙄🤨
Dr. Sal is a wonderful diplomat - politely mentioned a Cluster when describing a chaotic unproductive process.
Hopefully, someone with enough rocks in their pockets will step up and assign the Incident Commander - then assign said Commander power-to-enforce.
I have watched some of WGOWS other videos on this topic.
He sounds so polished and his delivery is sublime and his knowledge is second to none.
This channel is my go-to for honest informed news about what's going on with shipping.
Concur on Sal’s channel being the most dependable for maritime matters. BRAVO ZULU a to you Sal and enjoyed your confab with Mooch.
We had a similar accident in Sweden in 1980 where a ship hit a bridge that collapsed onto it. Drift ice was blamed for that one and a crane sticking up from the ship.
The new bridge was in place 18 months later. Hope to see similar results here.
It was freezing fog.. the ship was off Channel ..
Ran2 sailing visited the site ..the fact that some commuters couldn't see the deck was down led to them driving clean off the broken deck in the fog.
With this it sounds like it will fall to the Corp of Engineers... Especially after they free the ship.
How long was that one? This is a 2.5-km bridge. If they can get the channel open in weeks instead of months it will be a huge win because the port is stuck behind it. I don't see cars using that route for 3 or 4 years though. There are alternate roads, so once the port is open the motivation for emergency-level effort is significantly reduced. And depending on how well alternate ports in the region are taking the extra load, it may not be all that important to shippers get this one open. The dock workers are probably anxious, though...
No way in the US. It took two years to build a stupid roundabout that no one needed up the street from us by the time all the contractors got paid by the hour from their politician friends.
@@blairhoughton7918 Bit over 500 meters, the span that got torn down was about 300 meters but of course more than just the span had to be replaced. The new bridge is about 700 meters.
@@cmwHisArtistlol, spooky rotaries. Way better to blow money on lights so you can wait on a machine.
You have done an excellent job providing commentary on this tragedy
I'm glad I found your channel. Thanks for what you do!!!
Thanks, Sal - not only are you careful to get the information right, you also explain it so well so that those without experience in shipping or incident command will be able to understand. I've been pointing friends and relatives to your site when they ask me about it.
I'm only 3 days into discovering Sals channel, and I am VERY impressed!!😊😊
So you did some fact checking?
As a very young and brand new city police officer, I was at the scene of a homicide and was instructed by my field training officer to secure the front door and not let anyone pass. Soon after, the duty officer (not sure of his rank but he sported lots of gold embellishments on his uniform) approached and ordered me to stand aside. I told him what my orders were and my training officer could hear the commotion going on outside. He shouted from the back room of the house asking me what was going on. I told him I was following his orders but the duty officer wanted to pass. He then shouted back to me, "Ask him if he wants to handle a homicide??" I guess he didn't because he saluted me and told me to carry on and to have a good night. A guy like that needs to be in charge. And guys like that are out there, thank goodness.
Excellent analysis of what the process needs to be to get this cleaned up. Thank you!
Hello Sam, first of all thanks a lot for the very detailed and accurated coverage of this catastrophic incident. About the identification of a unique figure who has to coordinate the salvage: you will for sure recall what happened here in Italy when the incident of the cruiser Costa Concordia occurred in January 2012. In a relatively short time (to be in Italy), a salvage master, Nick Sloan from company Smit, was nominated and he took the responsibility to remove the wreck of the Costa Concordia (292mt long and 114.000 ton of weight) from the island of Giglio. It took 2 years and half to complete the task, but at the end it was successful. The wreck was refloated and moved to the Port of Genova for the final scrap. Thanks again for your hard work. Greetings from Italy
*I still cannot believe this is real. I live 3 nautical miles and 5-6 miles away from the Keybridge... I can literally see it from my house, if I walk down to the edge of the Stoney creek.... I went & got some good pictures & videos about 2 hours after it happened and we got some daylight. The entire neighborhood was down at the fishing pier looking over at this tragic event. I guess because I have driven over the Keybridge a million times it just doesnt feel real. Last year I was going over that bridge every single day for work. It's scary to think this could have happened at any time*
When you make an entire paragraph bold it makes it hard to read. Don't do that, it's annoying.
Amazing how the bridge sliced-off that upper section of the starboard hull.
Yah...I wonder how much damage was done to the underwater hull. Lots of heavy scrape marks along the side, and the bow is buried deep in the mud. We shall see just how complex this is going to be. This morning I heard on the radio that bridge debris may have to be removed before they can recover the last four casualties.
It's such a huge amount of damage, I hadn't seen this view yet!
If you rewatch the video, you will see white smoke at the bow before it hits the bridge. That was the ship completely wiping out a "dolphin" before hitting the bridge !
@@fposmithI think that may have actually been the ship hitting the first half of the reinforced concrete bridge support. It looks like the ship kept moving and hit the second half of the support structure a couple seconds later, and that’s when the bridge collapsed.
@@donkeyentertain Oh I just read your comment yeah that makes sense. I assume the road deck with 4 lanes is also a lot of cement weight coming down on the ship but it is pretty thin comapred to the support so your comment makes more sense
Touching on the machinations of competing interests and discussing the conflicts inherent in the different timelines is fascinating. I'm looking forward to your future streams and how this will all pan out. 👍
I vote for USACE. It's a construction job now with a bunch of demo up front. I've been the construction lead on a $1billion job with USACE and other Feds on the job. You need USACE calling the shots and Bechtel moving the steel. There, I just gave you the Org Chart. They'll get it done yesterday. Our motto was "Solving problems you didn't know you had in ways you don't understand".
One thing that I have heard nothing about is whether there are any underwater cables, gas lines, or any that were on the bridge structure and was damaged as it fell.
Must say, I could not be happier that you showed up in my feed the other day. The key bridge is my go to for visiting my brother. I moved to the shore in '76, I've used that bridge that ever since. It was heartbreaking to watch the collapse, glad I can count on you to keep me in the loop.
Thanks for the update Sal. You are right on the money.
Sal, agree it’s complexity is every bid of a Type 1 incident.
Agency Administrator gives leaders intent given to their designated competent
incident commander=unified commanders with the appropriate lead agencies having authority utilizing branch management with stakeholder liaison’s and AREPS as the incident mitigation continues to evolve with the main priorities aka body recovery, Salvage of Vessel, pollution control debris removal, waterway clearance, etc…. This is multi-jurisdictional multi-agency multi-mission collaboration and coordination.
Im betting its going to be 4 weeks before that channel is open again. From an engineering perspective I don't think that bridge is not just going to be dragged away as easy as you think Sal. You forget there is a roadway connected to all of that mess you see above. And that is probably 12" of concrete and rebar with asphalt on top.
anchor tugs and a week
It's no small feat with tidal currents and all. Perhaps anchor tugs in a week, with 3 weeks worth of help so they can do it in a week? I bet that ship is there since it happened for a week or more before it's moved. Probably more.
The over/under is Memorial Day. Or maybe Fourth of July?
I think you mean 12 feet, not 12 inches. The road deck for a span that large is probably closer to 20 feet thick. Frankly the superstructure is the big problem, not the roaddeck which probably buried itself in the mud. The Dali isn't blocking the channel. The complication is the depth of the channel is going to limit dive times. If you sever remaining deck support then the superstructure could be dragged into shallower water for full dismantling. Then if needed the road deck can be dragged out of the way too. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they just used siphons to suck out the river material under the deck and sank it further in place rather than trying to surface that much essentialy stone.
It's going to be longer than that
Thank you Sal. This is so so true. Incident command is key to dealing with any massive failure like this. I’ve seen situations where you had 20+ people including engineers, physicists, geologists and environmental scientists standing around a well site trying to make a decision. Finally after more than 3 hours of discussion, the drilling engineer moved to the middle of the circle and said, “I’m taking charge here. I’ll make the decisions. I’ve heard all your input and I’ll consider it but I’ll make the decisions.” Pretty quickly the situation go resolved and the various contractors got going taking care of their parts of the process.
Well said. I also remember what a CF the New Orleans Disaster was…
Great coverage, actually getting real information, thank you.
As a Maryland native, never underestimate Maryland's ability to F things up.
God bless America and all of you resolving this issue 🇺🇸 Sounds like you Sir, know what needs to be done.
ICS is a proven approach, well suited for circumstances like this. Got to have clear lines of communication and responsibility! 😎✌️
Great job.. I feel fortunate to have discovered this channel before this incident.
Sal, thank you for bringing the ICS issue to the front. Your analysis is fantastic, as always!
YOU SIR are a sensible, correct, admirable man, best info we could glean, YOU ARE THE MAN!!! old lady from N. Michigan!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Its beautiful there in N Michigan this time of the year!
As a former Baltimoron, thanks for the update. My family and friends appreciate it! Definitely sharing.
"Baltimoron" 🤣
Moron👍🏽
Great stuff, as always. Thank you!
Fascinating commentary. Thanks for sharing!
It's going to be a giant cluster mess,,, did you see the mayor's response and that's one example
The governors response wasn't any better. DA egocentric politicians.
Reopening the shipping channel needs to be priority #1. Equipment can't even get to the Dali at this point. Cut it up, drag it- whatever.
You've hit the nail on the head. "One person in charge!" One of my former chief's sayings was "We are here to solve the problem, not become part of the problem." Whomever they put in charge needs to be thick skinned. From the national level to the local level, politicians who have ZERO experience are going to scrutinize every decision made. They are going to explain why any decision made is the opposing party's fault and who should be hung out to dry. In my "OPINION," the United States Coast Guard should be in charge. This is a waterway. All operations will involve this waterway, and therefore, all final decisions should be made by Coast Guard personnel. I am by no means an expert on this situation. I just hope we can recover the bodies of the missing so their families can have closure. After that, getting the channel clear takes center stage. Once the channel is clear, other agencies can take charge. Then let the fun begin.
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
First discovered your channel when Ever Clear and Ever Forward ran aground a few years back - now with this incident in my home town it’s great to have a knowledgeable source of information! Keep up the great work
I agree!😊
Thank you. It's refreshing to have thorough, educated, to-the-point reviews of the situation.
If you follow ICS rules, it actually works. What you don't want is the "too many cooks" scenario. If you go by the ICS framework, this job will be done fairly quickly.
It was so cool seeing you on the national news!
Glad FOX and CNN called in a real expert. Thanks Sal
Wow. 24 k views in 1 hour! Go Sal. Shows how much people value your marine analysis 👍
Really appreciate the level headed analysis and recommendations
Thanks, Sal for your well put professional, level headed observations. And YOU are my trustworthy and reliable Subject Matter Expert for this catastrophe.
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Yea we can talk about who is in charge but I still want knowledge on how the hell this happens...Dont try to brush this aside as a common incident that occurs with these ships. There are many in command that are supposed to lessen the chance of these occuring. Curious how a ships Captain knows when you restart engines the prop pulls the ship to Starboard ? Why would he not let the ship glide under the bridge before attempting start-up when clearly you could see he was heading for it! Clearly it is shown the ship was slightly veering of course until the decision to start engines. Let alone the knowledge the Captain is Ukrainian ! Oh just a conspiracy theory? Then why was information and a picture of him suddenly removed from news media?
Also it is a pretty lame thought that we cannot supply more tugs to these Gigantic Ports! This should be under the Port Masters watch to have ALL ships escorted beyond possible obstructions for safety! Oh I know the excuse... Companies Dont Want to PAY for it .$$$
@@acesupsilver1039 You'll find my answer to your steering guess under the other place you pasted this rant.
As for blame, this is probably 0% driver error, 2% bridge protection design deficiency, and 98% whoever put the plastic resin sludge in the fuel (I'm guessing that based on what I've heard from experienced observers who were also speculating; I've seen no confirmation the engine room was switching tanks or that anyone actually knows the composition of the fuel) that choked off the engines and probably damaged them.
Dragging the bridge is going to be a concern. There are several high voltage power cables immediately under the bridge and likely other communications lines, possibly cross-crossing the bay. The power line in question was being relocated to the above water pylons next to the bridge -if anyone wondered why there were power pylons and all those helicopter marking balls on the cables, that's the new relocated power lines. But the old line is still under the bridge and may still be in use. Even if it's not in use, there are other issues. The old line was filled with oil as an insulator, so imagine if the bridge gets dropped and dragged through that and turns it into a hazmat mess. Sigh. As far as demolition goes, some of the best in the world are based in Maryland, namely CDI. If anyone can cut the bridge into pieces, quickly, they can.
They are not going to "drag" the sections. Too much horsepower required.
Diamond wire-saw the wreckage into 400ton pieces.
Pick pieces out onto a barge ~ with a full revolving 400ton floating derrick crane.
Google Manson Construction Company Derrick 24.
Sal, you Certainly nailed the "What Not To Do" with the Golden Ray comparison! My thoughts exactly. One point we may differ on though is the use of explosive cutting cord. That may be the only option to uncouple the crumpled and still locked together spans laying over the bow of the ship. The problem of cutting the spans loose without having workers working on and near when those spans come loose all hell gonna come loose as well. There's got to be a LOT of tension on the beams. I'm not a demolition person at all. So if there's a safer way to remotely cut those beam connections comment down below. I feel Sal has a valid point about the bureaucratic quagmire that's coming down the road. The "Person In Charge" is the President of the United States. I'm sure there will be "Some" environmental damage here of some kind, but the Nation's Interest is at stake here. If there happens to be some dead fish and dead seabirds then so be it! This is a Big Tough Job that HAS to be done NOW!
Thank you sir for your work and insight.
Brief point: nobody with any sense is imagining "blowing up" the bridge wreckage. The Army Corps of Engineers could, if it chose, use C4 linear cutting charges to chop it into segments quickly, yes. Those are quite surgical, widely practiced in the marine salvage industry, and have jack squat to do with blowing up whales. Respectfully.
Yeah, there's no real fast option for a lot of what we're seeing, especially since a lot of that wreckage is under various forms of tension and compression. You won't want to be anywhere near some of those bigger pieces when they get cut loose, and a well-placed shaped charge is a good option.
Oh please do not let the Corps of Engineers near explosives...they are dangerous enough already.
CDI is local to this incident. They may not have capacity to work it or get the contract but this is their home, for crying out loud. I would be willing to bet cash they were waking up the whole company when this incident broke. There may be better blasters. But CDI is damn good. I hope someone with brains has at least brought them in for a consultation.
that phrase "blowing up the whales" is meant as a joke. There are several videos of beached whales where the stench got so bad that people thought they should blow it to pieces so it could be moved. The reality is that stench was spread far and wide, quite unintentionally. It actually created a bigger mess, which is what they were trying to avoid. The intention here is to look from several viewpoints instead of a knee-jerk reaction to the clean up.
Using cordite or similar would be favourite, fast to do and highly controllable
I passed 3 donjon boats heading south this morning with ringer cranes, the Atlantic Salvor had a tandem tow their second was a large deck barge. No sign of the Chesapeake 1000 and the Left Coast Lifter is still sitting at Caddell’s from the Tappan Zee Bridge construction although it’s probably out of certificate from sitting for so long how.
Hey, how many times have you taken the train over the Key Bridge 😂
Very well done, well spoken, your so rite!!
I nominate you, awesome commentary/knowledge/grasp of dynamics!
I foresee 3-5 years before another bridge of some sort is in place. The 'skimming' of funds will be incredible.
Yes indeed, greed is rampant in these days!!!😮😮😮
Just stop one payment to Israel and Ukraine to fund the bridge.
@@grtinfulleffect8349sadly we all know that probably wont happen, and if someone WERE to suggest it to the policy makers holding the purse strings...the ensuing rapid circling of wagons to defend that cash pipeline would be borderline hilarious.
Honestly, id just love to hear the ridiculous excuses they'd feed us concerning why that money is better spent overseas than for the benefit of our own ppl
Absolutely. 1 year for clean up and 4 to build another bridge.
@@criley2723 its not going to take a year to clear the channel. probably less than a month to get the channel navigable again. why the heck do you think its going to take a year to clear the channel??