KTM 790 Adventure R VS 690 Enduro, Swap or not?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- A test ride on the 790 Adv R, som chat about the bikes, tire options?, comparison and some gravel, single track, road riding. Please let me hear what You think about these bikes compared to each other! Ofc other info as well is interesting 👍🏻Thanks fore the test ride BIKE Trollhättan! 💪
2 years ago I struggled to decide what bike between a 500exc and the 690 Enduro R to build for my 8 week ride through Africa, Europe and the UK. The 690 won out. I built it into a Dakar Rally and had it shipped from the US to London. 12,000 miles and 8 weeks later, my overall opinion was it was too heavy and too tall making it too difficult to pick up. Some days it was multiple times! It was in Africa that I struggled with it! It wore me out every day! Rally’s and Hare Scrambles were out of its and my league though I tried. I ride alone pretty much, meaning I have to pick my bike up myself. I don’t want to depend on others for help!
Once I got home, I quickly switched to the 500 and haven’t looked back! 8,900 miles on it (5500 off road) it’s the best bike I’ve ever had! Rally’s, motocross, hare scrambles, steep mountain single tracks and 700 mile days.
All that said, the 790 is not a consideration at all for me. But that’s me! At 60 years old, light and agile is my main concern.
Many has done the same, for the same reason. Fully understandable! Cool adventures there Bill! Braapy riding my friend.
Same to you! My next destination is 45 days in Australia and NZ. After that, Northern Europe, especially Norway where my family came from in the 1890’s.
@@billness2635 Wow, globetrotting! I live close to Norway. Within few hours I'm in paradise 😁👍. Did a nice trip with my 690 few years ago. As well with my 1200 GSA.
I have a 450 exc and love it
The 500 exc is a very nice bike, but isn't it too much maintenance?
Checking valves and changing oil every few hours?
A test ride on the 790 Adv R, some chat about the bikes, tire options?, comparison and some gravel, single track, road riding. Please let me hear what You think about these bikes compared to each other! Ofc other info as well is interesting 👍🏻 To set a context i've updated with a link to how our advriding weekends mostly looks like, 1000-1500Km's of forestroads and single track. Sometimes more gravel rally road oriented mix. ruclips.net/video/UpdLQvUFEuw/видео.html
Good video Mattias - interesting to hear your thoughts - I've had the 690 previously and currently riding the 790R - just something about the engine :) - as you say it's a beast :) - I'm about to change my tyres to front rally scorpion pro and rear goldentyre gt723 - both are TL but will probably run a tube in the front and keep the rear tubeless for now, with better tyres I'm hoping it's going to be even better in the dirt, the stock karoos are ok in the dry and a bit of mud but struggle in the wet - UK so lots of wet!! - the only other thing I'm doing is changing the rear sprocket from the stock 45 to a 47 rear to give it better slow speed riding on the technical off road. Keep the video's coming.
@@michaelknibb2067 Tanks for You informative comment Michael! Great to hear Another 690 brother out there that moves up to the most agile beast out there for now. 💪 Will check out your tire tip. The Karoo' s will probably sit on until they are somewhat weared. Didn't wait for that on the 690 though 😂😂
do you know if in rally mode you enable the anti wheeling@@michaelknibb2067
@@cuddleman Yes if in Rally it will lift the front no problem
@@michaelknibb2067 on road you use rally with street response? please suggest me offroad tires here in italy no havy duty wheels since september
Great review!
one great theory for adventure bike tires: go with a high milage rear tire & a high traction front tire.
that way you're not constantly buying rear tires & you have traction up front where it's most important.
I'm looking at the 790r as well & I think the perfect tire combo would be:
Front Tire: Shinko 804 or Conti TKC 80
Rear Tire: Motoz Tractionator GPS aligned for mostly off-road
Let me know what you think. 😄
Jamby7 Thanks for Your input! Yes, that's the plan. I know for sure that it is possible to ruin a tire like Karoo 3 in only 500Km's with a heavier and powerful bike. Done that 😝. The 690 does not eat tires like heavy bikes do. However i have never had a bike with traction control, could possibly save some rubber? But in Rally mode the bike was in ”tire eating mode”... 😂
Just back from a 14,000km ride across South America on a 2017 Honda Africa Twin with MEFO Super Explorer tire on rear and a Continental TDK 80 on the front. For mileage I HIGHLY recommend this tire combination. Very good traction on most surfaces from the rear and obviously outstanding mileage. Probably could have squeezed out 2000 - 2500 more km's.
Front tire selection is key for best traction off road in terms of line, direction and steering with out slip or at least greatly reduced slip. Of course on some surfaces the rear tread pattern on the Super Explorer could be more aggressive,... however the mileage durability would suffer hugely in my experience of running knobby tires on all surfaces. Wet grass can be slippery on deep aggressive knobbies as well, but obviously are the best choice if that were all you were attacking..Like we all know and many of your contributing commenters are stating, nothing is perfect everywhere,... always....period!!!.....that's the ADVENTURE part of the sport. Skill and riding style adaptation are key to beating the conditions...or at least being able to come out with a draw on the battle.
As you cross vast distances you will come across a vast array of differing and challenging conditions. And regardless of tread pattern...technique, ability to adapt your riding style and bike handling skills ...and may I say BRAVADO at the right moment,!,... are most important.
Re: Traction control.
I enjoyed the traction control option on paved surfaces and hard packed off road surfaces most usually. as well as some very wet muddy surfaces especially if/when descending tighter curves. Particularly in the Patagonia on steep mountain passes off road, in the heavy rain and in the Alti plano in the muddy rainy back road situations.
However,...Off-Road I greatly prefer to reduce and in fact completely turn off the traction control normally,.... if dry , ....for a couple of reasons. The most important and primary reason being that in many situations and instances it is very important to be able to have the rear wheel skid or rotate freely with no other input other than the riders throttle control. Deep surfaces such as very soft deep gravel on sections of Argentina's route 40 were treacherous for many riders I spoke with who also made the journey on various machines and those who rode bikes with the option all agreed, its best to let the rear end fish tail/slide more than not.
Secondly if you are in a situation where you prefer to be rolling along off road on loose surface conditions such as large shale or steeper lose surfaces, you need to be able to adjust without restriction the amount of power/wheel spin/torque, that the rear wheel receives , through your throttle input. Sometimes with Torque control engaged the bike will not accept more throttle response to the rear wheel ...as it is designed to gain traction and not permit wheel spin....seems obvious but if you forget to turn off the traction control it confounds your difficulties and thus makes riding more difficult in these type of surface conditions and situations.
On wet tarmac/paved surfaces in steep hills such as in Ecuador and Colombia where the roads can be very steep and turns very tight for hundreds of kilometers the traction control is superb and a true gift from technology, especially on tread designs made more for a mixed surface condition or off road surfaces....less adaptation for sliding/skidding required with the traction control on wet paved or hard packed surfaces...lots of fun! higher speeds etc.
I have ridden and continue to ride a variety of bikes for many years, both road and off roads / trail bikes, dual purpose , smaller dirt bikes, sport and road touring machines.
I chose the Africa Twin recently, for its HONDA reliability, long day comfort, ability to carry loaded panniers across rough conditions and power/speed on paved conditions , ability in fast moving traffic situations etc. I have just sold the bike, with a little trepidation,..... but with a view towards the the new KTM 790R, mainly for its considerably lighter (100lb) reduced weight , and now its long interval service schedule, similar power and technology, etc.
I have enjoyed more recently Suzuki Dakars650's form the '90's, great torque and powerful bike in off road situations, Kawasaki KLR's... amazingly tough motors and not too heavy, long range fuel capacity, Honda XR650, for great off road toughness and agility, which I road the Continental divide route from half way up the British Columbia Rockies to Mexico on, KTM 450xc-f's for unbelievable light power and maneuverability used more in Chile.
All great bikes but all with some kind of compromise to have to accept...usually comfort for long hours in the saddle/ or lack of paved road comfort/vibrations, difficulty in tire selection options, or fuel capacity, etc. etc. etc.
The new 790R looks like a great option, with little or perhaps no compromises for long adventure style rides as well as closer to home single track, high mountain logging road access terrain....yippee!
The new bikes are fabulous and keep getting better, now we just need to go out and test ourselves and stay fit enough to push them for the ya ya factor.
Enjoy stay safe and ride long & far!
Thanks Mark for taking the time to give us your perspective! What a journey! Do you have a travel report somewhere? Will check Your YT. For me I've riding for some years around Europe, but lately only typical 4 day enduro/adventure weekends and such I Sweden and Norway. However the surfaces differ here as well and I see what You mean with tires that could stand it all with your rider input. Well spoken! TC is new for me do I have to play with it when the bike arrive. Congrats for queuing as well ;P
Wish more people would do comparisons like this
Phillip Booth Thanks Phil! The 790R just stoked me.
Absolutely no contest.....the 690 is fast enough, lighter, easier to handle and more narrow if you ever plan to ride off road, if you want to ride on road then buy a 790 or buy a GS, simple as that.
I don't see it as a contest either. Two different bikes that has some of the use common. I've had a GS Adv that i had alotof fun onbut that got new owner a couple of weeks ago, that beast was not posing otside cafés very much ;P. Thanks for Your comment Mark!
Please don't put the 790 in the same sentence as a GS! Ridiculous. I had a 2014 GS and now the 790 - it's in a different league for dirt riding!
@@chrisa7237 I agree, I hope you understand that I know that. The 790R is definitely closer to 690 than GS. Never my intention to even compare to that end.
So your saying that the 790R is only good for road? It is a contest as riding is mostly about the rider. Put a great rider on the 790R and a so so rider on a 690 in the dirt and I will put my money on the great rider every time. Go to mvbd enduro , channel, and watch best of Mick, this guy rides an african twin on some real nasty single track like its nothing, very impressive for a 500lb bike, he knows how to ride.
Mvdbr enduro, best of Mick, check it out.
Love the video bro. I have a 2017 ktm 690 r and I love it ! Fast and agile.
Thanks for Your comment bro. It is! 💪🏻
Thanks for making this video! I'm looking to upgrade and was on the fence between the 690 and 790r. This video helped, probably going to get the 790r.
It's a beast! It is as good as the hype indicates. It is the bike that we've been waiting for. Tanks for your comment, that's what makes this worth it! 👍
I'm still riding my 2000LC4 640 love it. 75-80 mph all day across the Nevada desert.
Thats a cool machine! KTM have a great history of pure lovemachines. Love the 625 and 640 Adventures.
Thanks for the review, Mattias. I've only sat on one at an expo, but already I'm thinking about it as a future machine.
Thanks for Your comment! Great fun machine! What bike do You ride today?
@@Braapncamp An SMT. Old but gold.
The front of that 790 looks like the Robot general from Star Wars.
Haha, that's true or like an insect.
Thanks for the great review! I was looking for a good comparison between KTM's 690 & 790 R. I'm looking forward to more great reviews as you get to spend more time on your new bike!
You mentioned tires... KTM fitted all of the 790 Adventure Rs at their press event in Morocco with Continental Twinduro TKC 80s. I'm sure KTM tried a lot of different tires on the 790 Adventure R before selecting TKC 80s, all to give journalists the best possible overall impression of the bike's off-road capability! So, that's going to be the tires that I put on when I get mine. I've had a deposit on the Adventure R for months now, and I'm still waiting for them to show up at dealers in the US.
Hey craig where are you from?
@@frankgulla8782 I live near Seattle, Washington, USA. I haven't heard of any 790 Adventures making it over here yet.
I'm primarily getting the 790 R to mount on the back of our 4x4 Mercedes Sprinter camper van conversion that we have on order. We're planning on traveling & exploring from the SW i.e. Moab, up to Alaska. In a couple years we'll ship the van/bike to Europe & Australia for more fun travels. The 790 R will be a second vehicle for my girlfriend and me (say for running into town for the day or exploring an off-road area not accessible with a big van), and for me to just go have fun off-road.
Craig Horner Thanks for Your comment! Yeah, i saw that there was some knobbies on the bikes at the event. Didn't know that those where the TKC 80's though. The tires definately looked like typical ”big bike knobbies” and not like more agressive. I think that Karoo 3 or TKC 80's works fine on the rear, but for the front it would be nice with a more agressive pattern, at least when going for wet soft surfaces. Mixed riding that most of us probably do, the Karoo 3 and TKC 80's will be great. I had Karoo 2 on my 1200 GSAdv, Karoo 2 was alot better than Karoo 3. Don't know why Metzler just swaped those instead of complement their line of tires. I have got a date on my 790 R, both production and delivery week. 💪🏻 Hope ayou US-guys get them soon! Happy riding my friend.
@@craighorner7801 I live in northern N.J. close to N.Y.C. and my dealer has one guy who put a deposit down in January and that bike is supposed to come in the beginning of May. I'm 3rd on the list with one bike left.my dealer is huge, with 6 or 7 different manufacturers ,they tried to get more 709 adventures but they are limited, or so they say.I'm gonna use mine for transportation to work in the summer and exploring on the weekend. Good luck with your bike hope you get it soon!
@@jimenagulla9081 The 790-R will make for a fun commuter, and a lot more fun on weekend getaways!!!
I put a deposit on the 790 R way back in November, and I'm 5th on the list. I should call my dealer again to see if they know yet when they're going to get some 790 Rs, and to see if anyone ahead of me has dropped off the list.
If you're 3rd on the list at a large dealer, you might get get a bike on the first shipment....good luck!
Great review my friend.. I could tell the 790 has a lot of power. Looks like it would be a nice around the world bike. If you weren't on a budget. I myself would rather give up some comfort and power to have light weight. As i like to paths less traveled solo. The 690 fully loaded was just about my limit to pick up by myself. Good luck with your decision.
Thanks man! You are right, the beast is on the heavy side to go single track with alot of mud holes and such to get stuck in. But it was more agile than one could think. The bikes composition gives confidence to go in to technical stuff. Look fed to see more of Your adventures my friend👍💪
Great review and very thorough. Your camera angles were excellent. Subscribed.
Thanks mate! You are welcome. Very spontaneous but fun. Are You waiting for one as well?
@@Braapncamp maybe..currently own a triumph tiger explorer and absolutely luv this motorcycle. The only negative is that it's too top heavy. Starting my research on a possible future purchase. I'm looking for a do it all tool. Mostly road, but if the chance arises for exploration on a dirt road would like the confidence to take without the concern of dropping getting hurt due to weight
@@frankmalone236 I know what you mean, not an easy choice. 690/701 or midrange for more power and comfort when transporting or travel most at roads. I will miss the 690 when it goes tough. But the 790 have alot of that agile behaviour in it. More than I thought. Will be fun to test it out more.
There is no perfect bike. The problem is for most people is that there is road riding to get to the off road places. I can see by your first reactions that you already want a 790R. Enjoy life. From Canada.
Haha, no pokerface You mean ;P
@Mattias, what about vibration comparison on 690 vs 790? is it 790 way more quitier/comfortable in all RPM range
Woxidus Woxidus Yes, the 790 twin is way smother at all rpm's. Really comfy. ...and explosive! 😁😜I was worried about the engine before test, but KTM knows how to do fun engines.
Hi Mattias from the US. Thanks for the review. I am also considering a 690 vs. a 790. I keep leaning toward the 690 due to the 100lbs less weight. The 690 would be more agile in the dirt. The 790 of course, would be more comfortable on the road. I do have a road bike which I plan on keeping, so maybe I should seriously consider the 690? Looking at your bike next to the 790, your 690 looks lean and mean. After rereading my own comments here, I think I just realized I have already made my decision. For me.... The 2019 690 R, I believe, is the right choice. Great comparison video. Thank you again for taking the time to do this. BTW, love your helmet graphics. Stay safe!
Thanks for your kind comment, this is exactly what gives energy to share our experiences. The 2019 690 must be the right choise, new and improved version of an already winning concept for enduro adventuring! The 690's are so much fun to ride. Let me know how it turns! Cheers mate.
Why not 500exc then?
I like these long videos i get to hear all information dont know why some people like short videos
Thanks! I'm happy that you enjoyed the video even if it was long. Did not plan to much. I like all videos that are interesting.
As an avid cross country mountain biker, I'm always prepossessed with the gravel roads and double track that I pass up when I'm out for a ride on my Road King. In fact, I'm becoming bored shitless with the limitations of a road bike and I really feel like my riding is evolving into, essentially, mountain biking with a motor.
As impulsive as I am, I wouldn't be surprised if I trade the RK in for a 790R here real soon.
Unseen / unridden, I think the 790R would be the perfect bike for me.
I enjoy your video content. Keep up the good work!
Recognize that feeling when I'm out with the RV 😂. The 790R is a bike that could be bought unseen! It is an amazing machine. To me, that unicorn that all of us seek for.
As a fellow xc mountain biker and road king I know the feeling. Grew up on dirt bikes so the mtb stays. RK was fun when my father rode but he has parked his for good. Have you ridden a 390 adv? Small looks like a blast on backroads and gravel.
Hey, i actually have a video when i testride the 390 Adv. To be clear, tvat is a totally different type of bike and as well capabilities. Please watch the rather short video and see what you think of what i do with it. If you ask me and want a lighter bike but capable of traveling and great trailriding either go for the 690 or the 490 Adv that there are rumors on for 2022. This if you see the 890/790 to be on the heavy side. To me the 790/890R is spot on for the combo of distances and exploring.
Great review! I ride a Husky 701 and I was wondering myself.... I feel good about putting a deposit on the bike now... never bought a motorcycle before test riding it! This wine a first!! 😉
Thanks! 😂😂 I actually did that myself, payed deposit some week ago. I felt very comfortable with that after the test ride. The bike is awsome, the engine is... KTM knows how to do fun engines. 💪❤
Keep the 690 if you like a light powerful bike that can climb really steep muddy hills, blip over logs with relative ease, Get the 790 if your looking for a bike that can travel long distance on dirt roads and desert but sacrifice off road ability
Yes in any case the 690 will have an advantage over the 790R in pure offroad condition. But the 790R is suprisingly flickable and nice riding position. Let's see how that turns. Thank for commenting!
Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with the statement that the 790 is mainly for dirt roads or desert. If you watch the videos of the press release of the 790 in Morocco one of the riders goes down a stepped rock ledge that was really amazing. Now I know that he's a professional rider but it shows what the 790 R is capable of. It's not gonna be as capable as the 690 off road but I don't think it's gonna be blown away either.
@@jimenagulla9081 yes I have seen all the videos but you have to understand the difference between enduro and adventure
@@andrewmcmahon1 I wouldn't classify the 790 R as a true adventure bike and it's certainly not an enduro, I would call it a hybrid, either way , hopefully I will get to put it through its paces off road as I plan to ride it hard on some nasty stuff we will see.
Thank you for a great video my Viking friend.
I love the mapping switch on your 690!
I have ordered the 790 Adv R myself, my friend received his last week, we love them
My 790 Adv R arrives in two weeks time!
My current ride is the KTM 1290 Super Adventure, which is a beast, but too top heavy and powerful for any serious off road use (as I do not believe in using "off road" mapping that takes it down to 100BHP) - I will keep my 1290 Super Adventure because I need a 160BHP/250KM/H bike in my life.
Reading Facebook Group Posts, many recommend the Bridgestone AX41 as a good alternative to the Karoo 3 tyres, if you look at the Morocco test videos, there are many of them, all the 790 R models had TKC40s fitted, so even KTM acknowledge that the Karoo 3 tyres are not up to the capability of the 790 Adv R
I will kill the Karoo 3 tyres off quite quickly, then probably try the Bridgestone AX41s and see how they work out, as my 790 Adv R will not be used for commuting, it's my "play bike" so I don't need a tyre with autobahn speed ratings.
Again, thanks for this video, a good, insightful and informative video for those who are "upsizing" from a 690 to a 790 Adv!
raymondavalon Thank for Your very informative comment! Will look into Your tire tips. Now i can reveal that i allready had ordered a Adv R 😁, the Karoo 3 will sit on till they are weared i think. I could imagine that the rear could be good enough with a more aggressive front. With the 690 i often end up in muddy tracks so i have opted for the most aggressive front and rear possible on that. Will probably miss that traction and look for options att 790. Again, thak you very much, we have to keep in contact with tips and tricks! 💪🏻👍🏻
@@Braapncamp Thank you very much.
I run a little Group in Facebook, called "KTM 790 Adventure Owners & Fans Group", it's one of the smaller Groups, but is growing.
Tyres have not been discussed much in my Group, as I find many newer KTM 790 Adventure owners are going to be using these for both tarmac and dirt use and seem happy with KTM's tyre choice....
My friend Dan found out the hard way about the Karoo 3 tyres when he took a fall on damp tarmac with them, the fuel tank protection and exhaust guard did their jobs, the damage was cosmetic.
I live between France and Germany and my French home is in Barr, Alsace, right on the edge of the Vosges Mountains, so the 790 Adv R is the perfect machine for the many dirt trails through the Vosges that my 1290 Super Adventure just can not tackle due to the weight and size.
This is the longest two weeks of my life as I await my German KTM dealer to receive my 790 from Austria
Lastly, I'd say to you: If you can, keep the 690 too, it's an awesome bike :¬) and it's nice to have choices when you open the garage!
Great info, I will check into Your group. Vosges and Alsace are a beautiful area, great place to live! Just sold a 1200GSA and still have a small Honda as well in the garage 😂 The 690 will go with the swap, I will have full focus on getting time for the 790 👀☝️
Have both. The bikes have different purposes. The 790 cannot replace the 690 and vice-versa.
Rd Rg Lucky You my friend! Some has commented that if You go for 790, it would be great to have a 450 i.e. As well. I will get from two to one in the garage. I think i will adapt. However a fun bike to ride! Congrats and cheers!
i have a 790 adv R on deposit here in the states, should come in beginning of June so i am told, wish i could just go to dealer and pick it up! I guess it depends on how you ride, the 790 will definately be better on road and not too bad in the dirt, cant wait to see!
frank gulla I got a delivery week mid June and a production week in May. I feel too that what i loos in pure offroad capability like in swamps, mud, rough terrain etc, the 790R compensates very well with being very capable offroad but more allround. Fur sure i will give up soloriding in the most tough terrain. To rescue the 790 out of mud holes alone like I have done with the 690 will be tough. Did it some times with a DR800 though and that bike weighted about the same as 790 (but 50% of the power...). We will se how it ends up with riding style... I tend to end up at demanding places, i'm just to curios to not get into ”interesting” tracks. 😂😂💪🏻🤠
Mattias, I hear ya, if I ever get mine I will ride it hard off road, I used to take my klr650 on some pretty nasty single track and the 790 ain't no klr Good luck and be safe.
@@jimenagulla9081 Yeah the 790 itself is absolutely off road capable no doubt! I hope that Chris Birch does a series of videos to show us how capable the bike is, then we others get confident and inspired ☝️😂😂😁💪
Frank, I happened to see that You are interested in hunting as well. That's great! What do you hunt? I've trapped down since my youth, but for for 9 days of moose hunt every year at the family land, after that there are som more weekend hunts but not much more. Love it though!
Hej Mattias. Bra video! Tack!
I was just wondering if I could ask for your opinion on something.
At present I ride an old 1100GS and was originally intending to upgrade to a newer, if not new GS. But then I started wondering if I would actually enjoy a 790 Enduro more. I don't have a great deal of experience off road, but regularly ride on dirt and gravel around Norway and Sweden. I also enjoy long trips through Europe. The agility and lower weight of the 790 appeal to me.
You mention in your feed owning a GS before. Do you have any thoughts on the matter? Ie, changing from a GS to a 790?
Again, thanks!
Thanks! This is a tough question, the mighty GS (I had an ADV) is an awsome machine. I have used it on rallys and forest roads for days. Standing in hours and used the great torque to steer the bike in any gear. It has low COG and is comfortable. I have as well done touring trips in Europe 2 up. Then on the 690, every minute on the smallest trails and as well broad rally gravel roads, the 690 is a king. Day in and day out as well. As well to Norway on mixed roads. When I tested the 790 I fell in love immediately, this bike will fall perfect in between without losing the capabilities offroad. I was surprised how agile it was offroad and as well how good it was on road. I will not look back for my type of mixed riding. It's a hard decision pending on what you prefer. I think You should test ride them back to back, which I possible at Bike in Trollhättan. That might result in buying the KTM ☝️😁.
@@Braapncamp I guess test riding b2b is a must, though Trollhättan is a bit far (I live in Oslo) ;) I rode a friend's ADV last year and loved it. But I think for all but the longest journeys I would probably feel more freedom on a lighter bike. And I imagine the 790 is a lot easier to handle offroad. Besides, I ride in town almost daily, and the 790 is gonna be more fun there. Shame I can't have both :D
Thanks for the advice!
Oslo is only 230 Km (23 mil) away 😁. I was in Strömstad last weekend, as close as you get and had a great time. 👍🏻
As you say the 790Adv or 790AdvR is alot better citybike. With the high screen the 790 is probably as comfortable as the GS as long as you don't ride 2up.
Depends on your riding application. If you were doing faster and more technical, tighter offord riding, then the 690 is a better choice. However if you were touring more with less technical enduro, especially longer hauls and daily commuting then the 790 would be the better choice. I wanted a Huserberg FE570, IMO it is the holy grail of enduro bikes, esp for power and weight for its capacity. But they no longer make them with the forward facing engine. Also I no longer do hard enduro riding, So the 690 has sparked my interest for its versatility and ability to do a bit of everything and still be able to smash fast through forest trails and endurocross. Having seen this video, the 790 is certainly attractive and tempting. The only area that I would question is the actual "endurocross" side of it. Tight fast trails, jumps, whipping the bike around etc. I think the 790 has your name written all over it. 😉
That's how it finally went, now I have to adapt my riding to my capability on this nice piece of beast 😂😂👍
Thanks for a helpful review.....looking at a 790 myself.
Paul G Had a blast on the beast yesterday, it is a remarkable machine.
May I suggest a bigger garage? I have been on street cruiser and sports bikes for over 41 years because I am short, 5'9", always liked the transalp but could not reach ground comfortably with both feet, this ktm790 has caught my eye and watching your ride has definitely made mixed adventure biking appealing once again. Thanks for the post.
Thanks for Your comment! For two weeks ago I had three bikes in the garage. My 1200GS Adv got a new owner. Then there is a Honda XL 125 (for my son) that probably are going as well. I will clamp it down to one do it all machine. The 790 feels like I can do it all with fashion. 💪
@@Braapncamp Indeed
Great video. I like your jacket... I thought about selling my 520EXC and go for the 690 or even better the 701 enduro. I am 188 tall but the 701 is nearly too tall for me.
I did not ride the 790 yet but I feel much more attracted by the 790R now as the seat height is perfect for me. I am not so sure if I like the weight...
I heard the following advise: you have to plan your routes according to your bikes capabilities. If you do so you can choose whatever you like... Have fun.
Stigsy Thanks Stigsy, at 188 any of the bikes should be fine. That advise is ofc true, we won' forget though ”that the adventure begins when it stops going as planned” 😂😂😂💪🏻. The bikes arte different so testride is a must, the 790R is the most capable bike in it's class was the feeling i got during the testride. It frels encurageing, but 200Kg is 200Kg when stuck in a swamp... 😁
Have you tried the 2019 690 with the newer engine?
Hi Matthew, No unfortunately not. But i have the posibility comming weeken if i not go out and hike. I would say though that a great bike will be even greater with the updates presented. 75hp will be crazy on this ”little” beast!
Nice video, thanks! I had for myself the same question as I'm a 690 R owner and I just tried today the 790 adv S because they don't have the R anymore for the moment...Its a real nice bike for travelling..seat is comfortable, good protection from wind and rain because of the big tank in front of your feet, powerful enough on highway, feels light but very stable and for offroad, I think the only limit of the 790 is the rider...The name of the bike says it all: the 690 is an enduro and the 790 is an adventure...As I also have now the 350 excf for enduro...maybe will swap the 690 for the 790
V N Thanks! I agree with your thougts. Try a R when it pops up. The S and R is totally different, both in apperance and how it feels.
@@Braapncampthnks for your advice, will try when available...if i get one of these, for sure will be the R because of higher ground clearance, suspension, tires and sure looks better too
Who made your jacket and pants? Also, I never considered putting on my helmet with my goggles already on. Thanks for that!!
J P Thanks for Your question. Many have asked the same. This is a rally/enduro suit, a replica of the jacket and pants that the Dakar racer T. Berglund had. You see that the neck collar is removable to nicely fit a neck protection. Jacket has great ventilation. The jacket and pants was made in other colors than this limited edition. Jacket = Halvarsson Clicker. Pants = Lindstrands Lizard. (Same manufacturer).
I was wondering the same, glad you asked. I thought someone else may be interested in what it was.
Thank you for the review!🙏
Supermoto haRRy Thanks for your comment, much appreciated!
I love my 690 and I can't see the need to go to a 790. It is a beautiful bike but I don't think it will do what I want for the type of riding I do, road to mountain single track.
My Canada Eh I understand and agree, single tracks in mountains could be as close as possible to where the 690 shines most!
I bought my 2017 ktm 690 r and I fricken love it! I live in wine country and she loves the hills all day.
@@carlanavlyt5696 You know it, I sometimes get envious of my riding buddies that ride with me cause they are riding lighter 450s and stuff but that's only cause I feel tired lol!
My Canada Eh 🤔 Du You guys think i'm going to miss my little race stomper 👀? I know for sure when riding with buddies on 500exc's that low weight and suspension are gold. Sounds great to braaap around in wine hills. What region, could be nice know if it is braap wine, when tasteing it! 😂👍🏻
@@Braapncamp I honestly think that you will not miss the 690 till the day you try to do some tight technical riding like single track in the mountains or perhaps some river bed or deep sand. All the places where lighter weight and suspension take precedence over power. It all depends on how often you find yourself riding those conditions. I know here in the west coast of British Columbia, Canada it is the majority of my riding ✊😀 Brap
You seem to really love the power of the 790 and I know that it has a lot more traction control settings than the 690.
Do you think the 790 would be too cramped for a very tall guy like me? I'm 6' 8".
Hej, I like it a lot. Look up Thomas Hansen on YT. He has a 790R as well and are 2m tall. He seems happy with his R comfort wise. He makes nice videos riding in Norway and you can se the proportions of him on the bike.
A link to his yt ruclips.net/video/pjSatVta3FU/видео.html
Hi great to see some bike vids again from yourself , I new when you were heading home what you would be saying lol . Toying myself on one but I really like my 1090 adventure R , re tyre I don’t think you’ll have any issues most people go for what the big off-road bike fit and go by what your riding on mostly with a compromise , I’ve seen the bike loads but still to haven’t had a ride on one as yet does it feel planted on the rd and will it handle long touring that’s what I need to find out
Thanks for sharing
Steven
stevenf67 Thanks Steven! It was really nice to get up on the bike again. That 790 would work great as a touring bike by my preferences, really nice road handling and alot more comfortable than the 690. Rallywise i just have to get used to it on some kilometers, it was really fast. I did not push any limits since that could be expensive... to me it's a winner. Ride on my friend!
Hi Mattias,
What tyre's do you have on your 690? And what brand is your helmet?
Pius Wallner Rear: Mitas C02 Front: Dunlop D9...somehing. Can have a look at the front tomorrow. Helmet is a typical noname, but EC standard.
Hi, i would try the Michelin Anakee Wild on front. It is a good tyre, lots of miles, lots of grip. Roughly 12 000 km easy access. I now have a fourth ring going in front, motorcycles 1190 R, 990, and now 690R. I ordered new 790 adventure R, and probably change my front tire to Anakee Wild.
Thanks Sauli, these Wild looks similar to The Karoo 2 that i experience was better Than Karoo 3. Never tried Wild though since i have opted for more aggresive tires on the 690. Looks great for the 790R though!
I really like the Wild. Can drive a paved road at fair heart rate. Gravel road it is very good, and also on off road.
@@sauli9351 Will follow up this and see what comes up during the wear down on the Karoo 3´s, sounds like worth trying. Looks OK both front and rear.
Hello Mattias! Nice review/comparison. I´d recommend the Mitas e10 (50-50isch) for the front or perhaps the eo9 (60/40), but they might be a little too road oriented still for your taste, I dont know. I´ve had them on my xt1200, 120/80-19..but my friend had the e10 on his Tiger with 90/90-21 and he absolutely loved it on our Iceland trip. Ha det gött! MvhTobbe från Tanum (kom förbi på kaffe om du är i krokarna så tjötar vi mer)
Thanks for Your comment and invite Tobbe! Saw Your YT review on the Mitas e10 at Your channel. Looks like a tire to consider!
Thanks for this video. 1 is that store in heaven? secondly im deciding which one to get. Y own a Rninet already.
Domingo Davila Del Bosque Thanks for Your comment! The store is Bike, located in Trollhättan, Sweden 😁👍🏻. Hard descision, and i think many of us are curious if the new bike is the one that fills the function of Advriding, both to the extreme and to the ”transportation”. In the other ends there are pure enduro bikes which the 690 isn't, but close to and then their are touringmachines that could be an adventure in their self 😁. The 790 is heavily marketed right now, bare that in mind. But i will go for it as i need something new to me, looks and feels like i will have fun on it on advrides! Cheers!
Really like the look of the 790 Adv R. What length is your inside leg inseam and how tall are you? When you sit on the 790 Adv R are you flat footed or on tip toe? I looked at the R and it seems tall although not as tall as the 690? I really like both bikes and also the EXC 500 but have neither. Really tempted with all of them as I don't know which one. I want the bike for mainly off road as I already have a sport touring bike for road.
Was really good that the dealer allowed you to take the bike off road on the test ride or did they not know?
Alex Morgan Length 6’ and inseam 31”. It's lower than the 690 but not much 790, 89cm and 690 92cm or close to that. I could barely flat foot it, but felt comfy. If You most or only will go offroad i would say Exc 500 ocr 690. 690 if You go ”rally roads” most. All of them are fun!
@@Braapncamp Unfortunately I am a bit shorter than you with short legs 29". My plan is mostly off road or gravel, but not motocross, more adventure/enduro, not so much smooth road bitumen. I too have seen KTM promotional vids of 790AdvR in Morocco and NZ. Very impressive. It has best carrying capacity but of course is bigger and heavier than 690 and definitely EXC500. 790 also has really good fuel range. Must ride one. I tried last week at KTM dealer but their bike was sold and they wouldn't let me sit on it. Bad show. I would like to do parts of the TET from France in west to Turkey in the east and beyond on mountain tracks and gravel roads. Would be carrying light weight camping stuff - bivvy/one person tent, cooking, clothes, water, ect. I probably need to do some off road courses that use these KTM bikes to see how I get on. Thanks for reply and making your review.
Alex Morgan You know what? If You go rally style on TET, the 790 Adv S (standard lower one) will do that like a champ! That bike is lower but have great offroad capability as well. Tried to sit on one and i felt it to low for my self, but it will do offroad very well, TET will be no match for the std 790 Adv. Go and try them out when possible and make descision. Next weekend my dealer will have a big sales event with alot of test bikes available. All KTM's except Exc's. Don't You have a dealer close that arrange something similar?
...and if You want the R suspension, check if the standard 790 seat fits on the R.
@@Braapncamp Hi Mattias, Thank you so much for your help. Unfortunately I do not have a KTM dealer close to me. The two nearest are both about 115km away. But maybe I can find out if either of them have similar events. You make very good suggestions and give me a lot to think about. Most important is the bike fits! But I am short :@( Many thanks again.
I am interested in both bikes coming from a KLR650 and an MT09. The 690 definitely will fit better with what I plan to ride!
I have a 2020 - 690 SMC-R / It is so fast and fun I am buying the 2021 - 690 Enduro-R to keep it company. You have to tolerate a little more vibration than the Japanese bikes produce but the " THRILL FACTOR " is worth it !!! Sometimes you have to remember we ride to fill ALIVE !!!
The 690 is a fun machine! I also did long days on it.
Been watching your videos and have been really enjoying them! Any regrets on getting the 790 Adv R? I had a 500EXC 4 years ago set up for longer distance, but then got out of it. Looking at a 690 or the 790. Any regrets getting the 790 over keeping your 690?
Thanks buddy! No, no regrets at all. It's a more complete bike. But as allways, it depends on what you are going to ride. A test ride and you are sold 😁
@@Braapncamp Thanks for feedback. I test road a buddies 2020 790 ADV R. I think it might be the bike for me. It was very comfortable and boy! was it fast.
@@adventuristnw2321 faster than me at least 😂💪
I’d prefer a twin for longer trips to be honest.
Metoo! 👍
When you had your 690, you never tought about putting a rally kit on it? With bigger fuel capacity and better wind protection? I saw the 2020 model has even a counterbalancing system on de cingle cilinder to avoid vibrations... i also heard about changîg the gear ratio to a 17/42 for less vibration at high rpm... i think it could come very close to 2 cilinder bike on pavement and stay a lot better on dirt... what do you think?
Go for it, I was never bothered about vibrations on the -14 690. I was ok with the fuel range 99% of the times here in Scandinavia.
Interesting. I just got a 2019 Husky 701, and just adore it off road (previous bike was a KTM 520 SX, I had a lot of time away). I am new, very new to the street side of things, and that side of things I think the 701 is lacking? This looks much more comfortable and an easier platform to build upon for adventures.
How tall are you? Great video!
Thanks! You will love the 701 for adventures, it load up Adv sized packing like a champ and will still be very capable. Alot of fun to ride! superior suspension even if the 790R seems to have top notch suspension in it's league. The 701 does backroads and country side roads very well. I'm 6' or 181cm tall. Congrats to a great looking and very capable allround bike.
Saw Your video on the 701, Arizona looks really adventure friendly!
@@Braapncamp Thank you very much and thank you for responding. I haven't even seen a 790 in a shop here in the states yet.
701 Enduro is not a street bike. Gr8 for getting you to the next trail but don't plan a long street trip on it. You will be frustrated. It loves the adventure though. It truly shines. Had one about 8 months now. Stock tires dissapoint but do your research and you will be happy I'm sure.
@@Sckprod hey! Akkkkkkkktually I found a way to make the bike amazing on some of my long adventures. I'm using the Haidenu, however you spell them adventure tires from Germany. They seem to last longer than anything else, I'm on my 2nd rear tire, I've put 8000 miles on the bike over the year of ownership. The tires do nothing excellent but do everything OK.
The biggest thing to help was my wife got me a Seat Concepts seat, which I was all come on a seat can't be that big of a deal. It is... I can do big loops off road then ride street home, very happy. Currently my biggest thing I keep breaking are Ram Mounts for holding my cell (what I use for nav).
Hopefully you have found a good combo for your tires, what have you decided upon?
Hi Mattias, I myself ride a 2018 KTM 690R. The seat sucks on my 690 for long distance rides with friends but the power, suspension, and overall feel on the bike is great. I went out and purchased a preowned 2013 BMW F650GS to use the longer trips. :>) Good Luck on your decision. BTW....what brand jacket is that? I like the camo design. Thanks
David Graf Thanks for Your comment! I have enduro/adventuride the 690 for days and are pretty comfy with the stock seat. Will be interesting to see how the 790AdvR will do, probably great. The jacket (and pants) are Lindstrands STR. This is a serial numbered limited edtition that was made for/togeather with the multiple Dakar Racer T. Berglund. He was a army officer at the time, this explain the colors. The STR suit was or are made in other (unlimited) colors though, could differ in details.
Get a seat concepts seat/wide. I have one for my Husky 701 and it is great. Also Russell makes a great seat as well but much more expensive
Mattias Eriksson does it feel too wide for off-road technical trails?
Hey Jesse, No, no problem at all so far. I was riding tight technical stuff previous weekend with out a thought of it. A video will show up this week.
J. Rockett Audio Designs did you get the xl concepts seat or the regular comfort? I was curious about the xl cause I’m a big guy but don’t want it to be too wide where it interferes with technical terrain
Great bike my friend, I have always ridden a motorcycle myself. 😄👍
Cool, what bike do You ride?
790R if you're deffo going more luggage and long distance, 690 for harder terrain but know it's not quite as remote.
j0rzeh Thanks for Your comment! I always try to minimize my packing when advriding, regardless bike. After i tested the 790R i will gibve it a try to be my companion for everything. I know it will be a handfull in some situations but what the heck, this bike will give me adventures. 😁💪🏻
I would never swap 690 for 790 for adventure (mostly offroad) rides.
Hi, that's a good choise if most offroading. I tend to mix and see the 790R works fine on anything thrown at as long it's in motion.
Michelin anakee wild kan jag varmt rekommendera. Kör dessa på min 690 enduro och bättre 50/50 däck är nog svårt att hitta. De är framförallt fruktansvärt bra på grus.
Tackar, blir att kolla däck närmare inom kort. Skall hämta besten idag!
nice bikes, but for me 690R. BTW what is the como suite you wear, good for woods riding :)
As for the tyres you can fit 790 with same tyres as on 690.
Thanks for Your comment Wild One, yes the mighty 690 is a great racer and a "do it all bike" on the enduro adventure end. Just love it. Has Braap appeal. My reason to swap is to go from two bikes to one. It felt right after testing, i was worried before but are comfortable on descision now. However, end up in a swamp or mud holes that i tend to do could be a heavy work out pass on the 790R. i would say that the 790R is an expensive beast to go and test ride... ;P The /90 engine is much more fun than i thought. KTM knows hoe to make fun engines.
The Camo suite is from STR, a Rally/Enduro Suit that Swedish Halvarsson/ STR Lindstrand (makes motorcycle gear)designed for Berglund when he raced the Dakar some years in a row. They made this color scheme in a limited series, so it has a serial number No 158 of 500. Berglund was (or is) a captain in the Swedish Army at the time he raced. The suit was also made in other colors for the open market. I hold thight to it since i really like it. Bad though if i crash into the forest on solo trips...
They would both look great in your garage😎
Ofc they would! 😁👍
Definitely put a TKC80 on the front and then the rear can be your choice. Mitas E09, motoz tractionator, heidenau k60 or anakee Wild.
Will definately look in to your tips.
I'm so envious of you over in Europe! We won't be getting the 790 Adventure R here in Canada until next month and even then the supply is so limited most of us will miss out. I've decided to buy the standard model instead of waiting for the R.
My R have build date 22 May, on wednesday. It was pre ordered by my dealer, the last one they could get if i understand it correct. It's expected to arrive/delivery early June. Depending where You are going to ride i see the S version very capable, it will eat up most thrown at it for sure. Get ready to Race! ;)
I think the standard will be better for me than the R. I’m quite short and can’t reach the ground very well on the R model. It’s better for tall people like you I think. As you say with the right tires I think the standard will do what I want it to do.
I’m going to put on the tall front fender because I like the look better.
Congratulations on your new R model. I’m sure you’ll love it.
I agree on the looks, when i sat on the standard i felt it too short for me. I would also look into try it with the R seat ( available in all black), thought of that? My dealer told me that the standard would fit better to many that opted for the R. Great choise! Is the S avaliable on the floor now at your dealer?
Mattias, does the little wind fairing extension on the KTM 690 help much?
Hey, yes it does! Takes pressure off your chest. Liked it much.
@@Braapncamp Thank you Mattias! I'll order one today. KTM should give you some commission!
@@grendelprime166 thanks again, that would be welcome 😂👍
Grendel Prime i would also like to add that with this screen you still have clean air stream to your helmed which is perfect.
I would buy the 790 adv R and sell the 690 for a ktm 500, 450, 350, 300 2T, 250 2T for real off road riding.
Thanks for Your input! That would definately be the optimal adv garage set up :) a 450 Sixdays should be nice.
@@Braapncamp that's what I have! An amazing bike cant go wrong!
The 690 engine is well proven and very reliable. The 790 is a new(ish) engine with not enough history yet ..... in my opinion.
James Downie thats true! The 690 engine has proven bulletproof with respect to how these bikes are ridden. Keep an ear on the rocker arms and thats all.
Hi, are there any fuel indicator on the 690 enduro r?
Only when going into the reserve a light lights up, then the osometer also change to a one that start to count kilometers/miles from zero. The 690 has fuel good to go 200 -240 Km's on one tank, depending on how You ride.
Mattias Eriksson Same with mine of 2010. Mean consumption on a commuter basis is abt. 4.5 l/100km. Same indicator LED and km counter.
funny thing is that no matter where you ride there its all pretty smooth and no need for any kind of offroad bike, you can do that on a 1600 GT :o) if you ever come to Cyprus ;) where I live or if you ride in the mountains on old army roads only then you need such motorcycle - a bit of a waste to spend all the extra money compared to a 790 Duke I'd say :-/
kloppskalli never tried a Duke, but those look fun on curvy backroads. Something that i envy is the all year around clomat that You have. Is there even need for a car in Cyprus? 😂
@@Braapncamp oh yes you need a car. In wet winters like this year it can be rather coldisch (like below 10 at night) and wet from above ... and in Summer it gets quite warm and you soon learn to appreciate an airconditioned "cage" .. on the other hand our warmer winter days are just as good as an average summer day in the north :-) ride safe, regards!
Seems to me that adventure bikes have one common quality(and I am sure this is a cliche comment that many have left), they suck on the road, and they also suck at off road due to the weight. But if you want a mediocre mule for fire roads, I guess. In the world of bikes, I like the right tool for the job and even then, nothing is perfect. My 2014 victory cross roads is a heavy beast and yet I could confidently ride it without soreness from Indianapolis to Denver Colorado(which I did), but context of use is everything. I can have just as much fun on that cruiser as someone with a sport bike, and yet I also keep an fj-09 around for pure sport. Keep thinking of an off road bike, but I am not sold on adventure bikes.
Thanks for you comment, in fact I agree. This 790 is probably the most endurolike adventurebike and is fun to ride on different kind of rides. Even the GS is fun to ride. This could be related to that many thinks that different tasks and type of riding is fun as well. For myself I went from two bike to one and I don't look back with this in my hand.
I"ve also got a victory cross country...I'd recommend a pure enduro bike to see if its for you. Love my Husky 501...wish I had bought a small enduro when I was younger...but its not meant for long highway cruising. The 690/701 still can do single track, but not sure about the 790 R. Its definitely in my wheelhouse since i wouldn't want much bigger squeezing between trees.
Var åkte du? Skulle behöva lite tips på bra grusvägar. Tack på förhand!
Ola Curtius Hej Ola, jag tog en tur söder om Trollhättan, tar man den gamla 45'an söderut finns en grusväg till vänster som leder till Sjuntorp. På samma ställe leder en grusväg in mot Gröndal och tillbaka in mot Skoftebyn. En trevlig lite testtir var det. Givetvis tar det tid av körningen att filma, men det är ju kul det med. Jag fick ett mycket bra hum om hojen under testrundan. Bor du i krokarna?
Nej, men kul att veta om man åker förbi
@@Braapncamp Det finns en del trevliga vägar här. Jag tror jag har kört nästan alla i klippet men med bil, just nu finns det bara en cross och en gammel 80-tals xj400 i garaget. Kikar lite på en 701 enduro, yamaha t7 eller f800 gs men det är inget lätt val!
@@Simon-eh5ez Nej det är inget lätt val. 701 är ju ett säkert kort för att ha kul på det mindre "vägnätet". På en demohoj kan jag ju inte kura var och hursomhelst. I videons beskrivning har jag kompletterat med en länk på hur det brukar se ut när vi är ute och kör. Då tycker jag själv att 790 kommer att bli max vad man vill gå upp till i vikt/offroadprestanda. Jag kommer dock att anpassa mätningarna utifrån den nya hojen mer. Kommer inte att köra ner den i surhål på solokörning men säkert i gruppkörning.
Did you consider the KTM 1090 Adventure? I don't know how much "bigger" it is but it only weighs 10 kg more on paper. Negligible.
J P Hi, no i did not. I was more thinking of getting a 500 exc/sixdays and adventurize. But this beast just had to much appeal to resist. Thats how it could turn... 😂😂
@@Braapncamp I love the idea of the 500, and it's lighter than a WR450 by a hair. I'm afraid it won't have the torque I'm used to and I'm a bigger guy like you. So many choices. So little money. Sigh!
J P I had a 1200GSAdv in the garage as well, both the Beemer and the 690 need to go for this swap... wife said. To be honest, she's ofc right. I will ot have the time to ride mor than one bike and i know after the testride that the 790R will serve me well.
Just for front I tried Kenda Big Block for true 50\50 riding and it delivred.. and now I am considering Mitas E07, while there are 2 versions, regular and I think also a Dakar(?) version for more grip off road.. I do think of a full set this time for front and rear.. lots of good reviews on the web, and they are also priced better than most.. now my rear is Metzeler Enduro 3 Sahara and in my opinion it is good pure 50\50 but the Mitas E07 with it's two(!) versions might give me a better choice for less money, who knows. I ride a highly modded DR650SE.
Interesting, have to Google the Kenda to get an idea. Thanks!
@@Braapncamp just emphasizing that Kenda Big Block (K784F ; in case of front tire) is a recommendation to check on the front. Can't tell about the rear which I am about to switch to the Mitas E07 (Dakar?) anyway.. The latter had much more positive reviews to be seen on the web, either the regular, and lately even newer satisfactory arises from the Dakar version too... maybe even the rear dakar does better on wet.... gotta buy one and see, maybe a set
@@generaldistrust I'm looking at the Motoz Rallz to the next season. Since I have to use Tubeless the options are limited. I run Mitas C02 rear and C21 front on the 690 and was very happy. 100% offroad tire. On the 790R I will be fine with 50/50 or more a 70% offroad.
@@Braapncamp I had my eyes on the MotoZ but it seems they skipped my country :(
@@generaldistrust okay, maybe only a question if someone want to be a local dealer? where do you live?
The 790's a wonderful upgrade, of course. Not a huge weight penalty but superlative power and tech. Not cheap though.
I don't look back... 😂🤟
What tires were those in your 690? Are they street legal?
Rear is Mitas C02 and front Bridgestone 663. Great offroad tires. Street legal probably pends on which country.
hi i'm a motocross guy i bought this 790r it's a very good bike whaith i don't like are 1) karoo3 2) the clutch when hot it became hard 3) wheels 4) too much load in the front (probably increase compression setting solve this) . With i love is rally mode you can ride in street or off road choosing your traction control level
Marco G. Thanks for Your comment! Whats the issue with the wheels? Do You wait for a heavy duty set of rims?
If that's all then that's good, front forks are fully adjustable, wheels? Don't know what that means,clutch is interesting, guess if you get the quick shifter wouldn't be a problem. One things for sure, the 790R ain't no moto-x bike, probably close to twice the weight, for what bit is I feel like it really bridges the gap between dual sports and adventure bikes.
@@jimenagulla9081 i mean wheels because are tubeless and you cant put rim lock for mousses or tube that are essential for real offroad tires.
@@Mrrs6580 wonder why you would put "real offroad tires" - what's wrong with TK80s? thats what KTM had on them during the presentation in the desert if I'm not mistaken
About the karoos: they have their weaknesses (I personally would never put them on any bike), but I think up to date they are the ideal choice for the first selection on this bike, because they can do some offroad while still feeling better on asphalt than most serious offroad tyres. Also, they are old enough to still have the M+S rating, which is crucial for the German market (I don't think there are acceptable offroad tyres with the right speed index - should be V - in this dimension)
What happens if you fall down?
The tank breaks directly?
Thanks for Your question, No it doesn't seem so. Reports so far are that it holds up against falls. It is sturdy in it self and on top of that have plastic protectors.
Mattias, where did you get that kool riding camo gear you are wearing?
At my local dealer Bike. This ”enduro/rally suite was released when T. Berglund raced Dakar Rally multiple years, it's a replica of his rally suite. Jacket: Halvarsson Clicke. Pants: Lindstrands Lizard. I think the name of this combo was Capt. Berglund edition. The ja ket is really nice and have alot of vents.
Its bad ass, I like that. You don't live in the US?@@Braapncamp
@@reidspacer66 No a Swede who lives in Sweden ☝️🤠
....If you want more comfort and your wife is into riding pillion, the choice is pretty obvious, but if your a solo rider the 690 is the dogs bo...cks in my opinion!.....I have a wife so tempted myself!...cheers for the review!
Thanks! She's tired of bikes... 👀🤔😱
It’s too heavy for me. I’ve owned the 890, and the weight of the 790 is about the same. I’d stick with the 690, unless you’re gonna do more road riding. But that’s just me. I’m 70 years old and kinda crippled.
Such a hard decision. I would get the 790 adventure R over the 690 ....I think.
Axell Hernandez As many said, it all pends on use and preferences. I know i will miss my 690 in some moments...
My big hangup with the 790 is that hideous gas tank. The rest of the bike is gorgeous but the tank going way down by the pegs is just fugly
My first thought too, but after riding it it does not matter and got used to the look.
Hi Mattias, Must admit...I don’t ride KTMs...so my opinion may not matter to you. I get the impression that you ride more off road, no road. I know you are a big strong guy. But if I were you, I would stay with the 690, for these three reasons. WEIGHT, WEIGHT, WEIGHT...or lack thereof. And truthfully for Off road/single track, you really don’t need massive power. All that does is promote wheelspin...basically wasted energy. Beter to get your power into the earth. That is what makes you go. Seems like the only need for on road, for you, is to get to off road tracks. So on road power is really not needed. But you get stuck in mud, or dump it over, or high side it, and you will appreciate lighter weight. The 790 carries more fuel and carries it down low. But very susceptible to tank breakages. Better to carry your own fuel bladders, if and when needed. I have always had great luck with Mitas knobbies. I ran Trelaborgs for years. Before they were Mitas. My riding friends hated them. Because those tires would pick up 4” (100mm) rocks off the gravel roads and throw them at my buddies following behind. Can speak highly enough of them. A bit more expensive but wear seemed to be equivalent to most others. One caution...make sure you have good rim locks. Their traction is so good they can spin on the rim. We put short screws through the rim to dig into the tire beads. Just my thoughts.
Wow, Thanks for Your very detailed comment. I recognize all of Your knowledgeable thoughts. Even throwing rocks at friends 😂👀. I did the swap anyway, most because I wanted some change and ofc because that the 790 appealed to me and was really fun. I know I have to adopt to my capabilities with this bike and both train with it and sometimes maybe choose another option of trails. Happy trail Bob!
Am sure you will love the 790. And certainly you are big enough and strong enough to handle it in every situation. Enjoy it to the fullest and don’t look back. You know? Sometimes there is no better justification for making a purchase than...”I just want it.” Be safe. Ride hard.
Both is of course the way to go. Ive got the 890R and love it, but for me its no trailbike.
I have always trailridden on 2 strokes so an 890 isnt the thing. I would love to have an 19 or newer 690 here also.
If I have 2 or more bikes i tend to ride the smaller one all the time 😂 i went midway when segling two bikes and i'm still happy. Ofc sometimes a new 690 would be nice but the 790/890 does well on the rides i do, probably the best i could ask for.
mitas c17 front and e13 rally star rear for serious dirt.
Thanks for Your input. Will definately look in to that. I have Mitas for the 690.
Which one is better for 70% desert driving, mostly sand dunes?
Probably the 690!
I love the 690 and I want to like the 790 but it just looks off...
I agree.
Those headlights on the 790....ugh!!! They may be effective and all but they remind me of a cockroach's head. And i can't stand cockroaches.
☝️😂😂 I thought it looked like those annoying "horse fly's"...
What jacket are you wearing? Thanks.
STR Lindstrands (complete suit). Muliple Dakar rider T. Berglund edition. Limited with serial number. Very breathable and large air vents. Could possible be found in regular colours. This edition could only be found used if someone sells.
@@Braapncamp thanks! It looks sweet!
Russell Goodban I took a closer look at this. The Jacket is Halvarsson Clicker a Jofama / Lindstrand brand. As You see the neck collar is detacheable, to get a nice fit of a race neck protection. It is an enduro jacket, don't know if Clicker is avalable any more as new. The matching pants are Lindstrands Lizard, they seem to still be available in other colous.
..what enduro jacket are you wearing? thanks
Jacket is Halvarsson/Lindstrand Clicker. Enduro jacket with alot of vents and neck collar removable to fit a rally neck protection. This is the Dakar racer T Berglund edition. Pants are Lindstrand Lizard, same limited edition.
@@Braapncamp I'll look up to see if I can find in the US...thanks for your kind reply!!
Is the seat more comfortable on the 790 vs the 690?
Oohyes, the 790R seat is alot more substantial. But I rode all days on the 690 stock as well. No prob.
No.. Keep it. Too big.. you have the perfect bike for tne Swedish backroads. If you want to go touring and sell the big GS it's a great second bike 👍🏻... Ses ven 🇩🇰 🇸🇪
Too late Arne, descision is made. Hope i still are welcome to Lillstuga and that i get the thumbs out of... 😂😂💪🏻🇩🇰🇸🇪
@@Braapncamp no worries... A biker is a biker.. As long as they ride a dirt bike 🤣🤣.. Grattis med din nye 790👍🏻
Arne Jakobsen I need to train more, like You! Closer to Chris Birch... 💪🏻😁😂
@@Braapncamp haaa.. I'm never gonna be able to follow you!.. But as long as I have fun!?.. We only live once 😜🤘
Oh you're in Sweden. I've just moved to Sweden and trying to get a MC license then it'll be the 790 or the T7 later this year.
kamezodo Good choises for riding Sweden! Tell me more on how You make up Your descision, pros/cons etc.
@@Braapncamp I sure will! Just a little frustrating to take the card when I'm not good at Swedish yet and Yamaha also take forever to release the bike haha.
@@kamezodo I will "hold my thumbs" for you! 👍
@@Braapncamp Thanks! Ride safe and I'm looking forward for your decision video :)
Just put Pirelli Scorpion Rallies on the 790 and go anywhere!
Seems like an ok 50/50!
Get it!!!
Hahaaa, deal! That machine has appeal.
Hi from America. Definitely swap.
David Johnson Will do!
The 790makes a better touring bike but the new 690 is a much better all round bike at 95 lbs lighter and 75 bhp. If I were offered either for free I would take the 690. Still the only genuine all round bike out there.
I bet i will miss the 690 at some events. However the 790 needs to be tested before judgeing it. But 200Kg's + is alot to handle when it gets tight and wet, or rocky.
Have you had any issues with the 690?
Would you buy it again if you had the chance? Or would you buy another bike?
@@You-Toober Tbe 690 is in it's own league. There is no other bike in the "650 segment" dual sport that compares. It's a rocket, handles like no other right out of the box. Honda XR is close though. I would buy a 690 at any time for advriding on the more adventurous side! ☝️😁
what year is your 690??
Hey Steve, it's a -14.
We should compare the 2019 790 vs 2019 690, I was told the new 690 is very smooth and powerful
I agree, ofc the -19 690 will compare slightly different. But the -14 and up 690 is actually very nice and smoth for a thumper as well. Feels like a small twin. The -19 has more electronics though.
It's almost as wide as a boxer engined bike now....Narrow single track will be a challenge....
Zol Smoker It's not widerbthat the handlebar. It does not feel wide but You better watch where Yiu have the tank loobs.
What about this idea: you sell 690, buy 790 and something 250-450cc. You'll get 790 for longer trips and small one for practice. I'm considering this option for myself
Thanks for Your comment! Actually a really wise advise, it would be fun and definately the fastest way to become a much more technical skilled rider.
Boy that's a full range dealer isn't it?
Yes it is! They recently built a Harly Palace, have not looked at that departement yet but it looks really impressive by Swedish measures. Only brands missing is like Triumph, Aprilia, CCM and Husqvarna. 4Km's from home 👍.
i think i met you on the trail somewhere?wnf?
Hi Doug, when?
i would say 690 is for single seat perfect. for two people is 790 perfect.
With 1,5 years on the 790R i must say it's a very capable bike offroad and also more a complete bike than the 690 for longer advrides. with that said the new 690 is a beast of fun!
690R=2in1 bikes. doubt you'll see a sumo conversation on the 790. I know the 790's tank was tested but SUSPECT!
Thanks for Your comment! Tank looks and feels robust. Some have been sliding the tank on asphalt already with good results in scratches only. I'm more curious on how the radiator will hold up. That one is vulnerable on the 690 for example, without protection or modification.
Swap it... I did it.
Ooops... i did it too! ☝🏻😁
690 all the way, taller, way better looking and lighter.
The 690 for sure is the only beast in it's segment. I really love my 690 and it's braaaap'iness 😁💪
@@Braapncamp right, and if I were to switch I'd rather go with not much heavier 1090R. Don't sell or have both :)
@@robsonenduro3316 That would be the best, but I have to go from 3 to 1 bike. A do it all is what I look for in this. I played deposit for one of the dealers preordered 790R's, so we have to see what like it in the long term. I will sure adapt. Never tried the 1090 though, do You ride one?
@@Braapncamp from 3 bikes to 1 ??? wrong direction, bikes you need formula is like this: current number of bikes +1
Robson Enduro 😂😂 I'm aware of that formula ☝🏻, however sometimes it's time for reformation. That time is now for me at least. This will be fun to explore, where is this beast going with me 👀😜.
Hvor høy er du?
Ole Anders Dahl 181cm! ☝🏻
I would keep the 690 for sure. 790 full of electronics and so ugly:)
Too late mate! And i do not look back even if the 690 is a great ride.
Hi Mattias, in a week or so my new 790 AdvR RALLY comes. I have no idea weather to keep my 690 Enduro (2010) or not. You have done this decission, already?
Cheers Uli with 690 Enduro and ... 🏍
Wow, congrats on the Rally! Good value I think. I have a R, got it soon after I made this video. Love it and no problems so far. I was lookingat at a Rally a few weeks ago on MC Show. Looks really nice! Please let us know how you will be stoked by riding it. Sure the 690 will be left in the garage. 👍😁
Mattias Eriksson Your idea to have a side-by-side comparison is great. I would give a try to an english version for such a vid. Surely with many cuts after editing. 🤣 My english is very poor, especially when speaking. I hope the audince would not be harsh to me ... ✌️
@@espero7757 You can do it in German as well! Just be sure to tick the box that allow undertexting in English. That will work automatically.
I'll just buy a used 990 adventure
The good old 990 is one hell of a great machine as well. Lots of brutal grunt and the sound is just p0rn!
@@Braapncamp That lc8 is so sweet I need one in my life. The 790 is a great bike for sure, but then again the engine, sound and looks (love the Dakar Rally bike styling) of the 990 are so appealing
KLR 650 ALL THE WAY MATE!
😂😂 That "beast" must have similar characteristic as my old DR800. Unfortunately the KLR seems to be made for the Amercian market. They have never been marketed and sold in Europe. I've seen some but those must have been imported. Otherwise... but we have to stick with what's offered at the dealer I suppose! ☝️😁 maybe the T700 (KLR'ish) show up at our dealer, could be fun to look at.
@@Braapncamp klr650 is the swiss army knife of bikes.. it will do anything well but nothing great..
@@lazloholyfeild I have seen evidence on that at numerous post at Advrider, so no doubt!
Don't you ride a motorcycle to have FUN though?!
Keep the 690 is my vote!
Too late my friend!