VINTAGE GIBSON WITH THE OUT OF PHASE TONE! HOW-TO FOR YOUR HUMBUCKER!
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Hey!
Just a quick mod for you guys using 2 CONDUCTOR HUMBUCKERS, and you want to get that “out of phase” sound.
There are other ways to do this, like a push pull pot, and that would require some additional wiring and pickup surgery...
Ive just done it this way for my own stuff and it has been great, but your flavor may be different
Enjoy
Be Well
PEACE!
I just did this mod. I used an old credit card and wedged it thru the solder joint as soon as it became molten, that worked great. And I recommend using a magnifying glass, once you remove the black tape. The wire leads are small and they run across the end of the bar magnet where you push it out. You DON'T want to damage those leads. And if your pick up is wax potted, the bar magnet might be stuck to everything else it is touching, so be careful how you go about nudging it out. My bar magnet was stuck to the side spacers and would not come out unless they came out with it, then I broke it free from the spacers. Surprise...it all worked.
"When you owned something you can kinda do what you want" Love it!
I did this to my conversion Les Paul on an untouched PAF too. Totally not crazy. I’m a player more than a collector.
I would mod an original 59 les Paul if it got me what I wanted. There's enough pristine examples of guitars in the world at the end of the day this slab of wood was meant to be played often and played hard.
PAF pickups weren't all great, so thinking they are is ignorance.
...have to say, I think you're one of the best exponents of the 'traditional' blues sound around today ...a fine guitar player ...thanks
He’s good!
Yeah!
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above the technical/educational value of your video, your playing, technique and feel are absolutely smashing. Thank you for making this and sharing your knowledge
Hey thanks alot. I really appreciate that.
Great tutorial. I just did this to my Les Paul and it sounds killer!! Way easier than I was expecting. Thanks Nik!!
The real magic for me is with blending the pickups slightly in/out of phase, bringing more body back to the tone with that honk still in the background 👍
I've loved out-of-phase tones ever since I discovered Frank Zappa. I modded my Strat so I can put neck+middle and neck+bridge out of phase. The latter is my main tone for clean and fuzz. Cuts through the mix, has that nasal honk and my Fuzz Face doesn't have that zombie woof anymore.
It doesn't matter if you rotate the magnet the way you did or if you flip it 180 alongside the magnet's longer edge. One long edge of the magnet is North, the other is South. Either way you'll end up with the polarity swapped. The only way it wouldn't do anything would be if you flipped it alongside the magnet's shorter edge, because then the polarity would stay the same.
How did i go through life, not flipping my magnets? my les paul just recently got blessed with the best o.o.p paf's i ever heard...Got a set of precious and grace Tyson tones in my 335, KILLER , and flipping the mag as we speak...Or illl never p;ay it again bc the lp sounds that good....thats the perfect o.o.p tone you got right there, and you can play...
Came for the mod, subscribed for the licks! 👽👍
Nice work Soss!
Keep em coming!
Good to hear from ya!
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I was researching OOP after getting a used Epi Greeny, and this was the best one - you da man!
Yo @pharmerdavid it’s working for you? i’ve been trying to get the greeny sound too so tell me about it man 😅
I've been wondering why mine didn't sound like they were out of phase. I flipped the pick up several times. The volume differential had occurred to me. But this confirmed it. Thanks again! ✌️🤓
Damn I've always wanted to see how that's done! Thanks Nik!!
People can be too precious about things - I for one agree, if you own it you can do want you want!
Parts guitars are so simple to build, I had to take a class to build a tweed Princeton amp though, but most people can buy kits and do them. I did want a Princeton tweedy, and it's better than Victoria quality components, plus Matt Dawson tweaked the circuit in his genius way. Then he took a job at Intel because his amp repair shop and school only made him....not very much money. Intel they are paying him almost $100K with benefits I'm guessing, he has a family, but I lost my only trusted amp tech in Portland (sigh). I do trust one other, but he can take forever to get it back sometimes, makes you leave a $50 deposit just for looking at the amp, then you're hostage to paying whatever or losing your deposit (clever tactic). I miss Matthew Dawson.
Good video Nik I am always trying to learn new things thanks for the tips.
Great video and great playing. I'm going to try this on a LP copy first. If it works out I'll do it on my '66 SG standard.
I just did this on my Jay Turser JT-220D. It took about 15 min or less. The pick-ups covers are not soldered, no wax. I just had to lift the magnet and flip it. Crummy [pick-up but it works. I love that sound.
Never came along with out of phase sounds, but this sounds awesome💜
I love those old nylon saddles! Big part of the old ES sound for me.
Killer tip. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Next time I get a humbucker guitar this is happening.
Awesome video Nik, Much love from New Mexico hope all is well
A fun and educational video! Very interesting (and makes sense) that the OOP pickups interfere with one another most when they are at the same volume level. I never thought about that. I have a modern ES-345, and while I'm tempted to do this, the Varitone can replicate something at least vaguely similar, so I'd probably reserve this mod for another dual HB guitar, if I ever get one.
Definitely wise to do it on another guitar. Messing with the Varitone is sick but at least you can easily change it back.
It goes without saying that this "Greeny" mod only works on guitars with the 2 volume - 2 tone - controls architecture. A single volume guitar will give a disappointing sound with no bass at all and you can't find any sweet spots.
Great footage as always nik! Always informative 👊
Hey man, love the channel! Been binging for a few days straight, so many awesome guitars, amps, pedals, stories, tremendous playing. I’d love to contact you about a project I’ve been tossing around involving a pre-master volume silverface super reverb I own. I’ve seen the magic you can do on Matthew Scott’s channel and obviously on your own channel. Much respect, man!
I used a dremel to get through the solder joints on some gretsch pickups in the past. Worked good. Just cover the body, like you're doing.
Really enjoy your lesson videos, can we get more of that? good stuff!
Just did it on my ‘68 es 335. Sounds killer. 🙌 thank you.
Your insistence that you must rotate the magnet 180, and not flip it over/ roll it over 180, got me confused. The poles are the *edges* of the magnet, the sides facing the coils, so it should not matter if you do it your way by rotating it or if you do it by turning it over (like turning a dial). The important thing is to get the north *edge* of the magnet facing the opposite coil, so it shouldn't matter whether you achieve this by rotating it or rolling it over (as long as you roll it edgewise and not lengthwise, which would keep the same edge facing the same coil that it was before). I looked up some other videos that showed doing it by flipping, including one by a pickup manufacturer. If there is some reason you have for it needing to be rotated rather than flipped, could you explain?
Yes, you said it well. I am also interested in that, but I am convinced that the same effect is achieved.
The orientation of the poles is in question, and that is what leads to that effect, and it is achieved in both cases.
Turning by 180 degrees on the horizontal plane is more popular, because supposedly PG worked like that, there are hardly any differences.
I even turned the Bridge PU, changed the place with the wires from the magnet by soldering, the effect is always "Out of Phase".
According to some standard, most manufacturers install magnet-coils (if it is a SC PU), with pole orientation NORTH UP, MIDDLE PU can be reversed and NORTH IS DOWN.
There are those who do the opposite.
In particular, I have PU TELECASTER BRIDGE with SOUTH UP-factory TONRIDER TRT 3 alncho II.
With HB PU, it is different, with some the NORTH can be towards the PU with screws, and with some the NORTH is towards the part where the bobbins are.
The point is that the OUT PHASE occurs only in the case when two PUs are engaged, where one of them has reversed polarity, thus changing the frequency response.
At least that's how everyone explained it, it's mostly a matter of physics - the properties of the magnetic field.
Thank you thank you for the video, ive just got a Crafter 335 copy, i didn't wanted to change the pickups since they were easy to open, i reversed the neck an boom, nice out of phase sound, and i like that it reacts very trebely with distortion and a very clear sound, thank you
Glad I could help
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 other question, how did you make your strings very slack? I see you're bending that E string quite high
@@ElIsraelJijijijistrong left hand
@@401foxbody nice, I had to use 8's to bend like that
@@401foxbody I got some epiphones probucker into my 335 copy, I flipped the magnet on the neck but now when I play chords it sounds like a wah, is it normal that it makes a wah sound?
Breaking the solder on an original PAF. Boss move.
Not sure what you meant by that - thinking about it from a financial perspective instead of technical? I smell snark. I appreciate that he did it myself. Pickups are snake oil, speakers are what matters - anyone can make a pickup.
@@pharmerdavid1432 I made this comment 3 years ago. But I was not being snarky. It’s a boss move. Make the sound you want and don’t be precious about the equipment.
Thanks for this very informative video. Can this be done successfully on a H S Telecaster?
Yes!
My kinda playing right there! Great video an you got some sick licks bro, will let you know how I get on with the magnet flip, it’s happening!
BMFM! Thanks for this. I've got a couple 335 types here and always wanted more of that 'choked' sound. Definitely going to give this a go! I've noticed Alvin Bishop has this going on ... sometimes ... but just thought it must have something to do with his varitone. What a dope I am.
"when you own something, you kinda' do what you want".
love this, to hell with the purists.
Love LOVE that Tone! T-bone, Albert, BB, Freddie...AND (yes) Peter Green. One of the reasons I don’t want true Vintage gear...no shame doing the MOD’s!
Really, if you’re owning/playing a guitar as a tool, WHO CARES? I get that they aren’t making any more 50’s and 60’s guitars. But, It would be like being a Hand tool Carpenter, having/using a vintage chisel and not sharpening it to preserve its authenticity?
Part of vintage electric blues, is THAT Tone. Keeping it legit means having that Tone on your guitar. Preserving the musical history is more important to me than resigning these beautiful, functional instruments a life strictly in a glass case.
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IMHO Nik, if you want to find more of your voice, start playing more on these Gibsons that you own. You sound fantastic on them, and the Stevie/Jimi things will be filtered more through “you”, not through chasing the gear. They (the Gibsons) already sound great through your rig.
Either way, you’re a great player, and student of the Blues. PL&U
Great explanation and awesome tone 👌
in my first guitar got some Gibson Classic 57 Plus HB's and was not crazy about the tone and so fiddled with its magnet and installe it backeards with adjustable screws to the inside on mu gold covered bridge classic 57 plus and using 500k vol & tone pots and switchable .001/.o10/.033 caps I got the most amazing tones I have ever eard out of any pickup then or since! I now own tons of different aftermarket pups! but my all time favs are still the Tom Holes designed Gibson Classic 57 plus HB's of which I have several!
I don't prefer the Gibson 490/498 humbuckers used in the Gibson and Epiphone LP Custom, but if you remove the A5 magnet from the bridge, and the A2 magnet from the neck pickup, and swap them - THEN they sound much better. This video has helped give me the gumption to try it. Consensus seems to be those magnets make a BIG difference in tone - to the laboratory mates.............!
What's really great is showing de-soldering the P/up cover. Covering the guitar, the slotted electrical screwdriver to keep it open while the joint cools then do the other side, take your time.............. because it's the trickiest part of this mod. As he says - maybe not do this the first time you pick up a soldering iron. Clean it up! Definitely! Putting it back and making sure you don't get rattles, squealies, nasties......... excellent!
Of course I don't know anything. Just one more teeny, weeny, little thing. When you've taken your p/up to bits and reversed the magnet and you want to put everything back together, put some strings on etc - don't replace the p/up cover. For a moment, you can be one of those cool geezers that plays with "one cover off". That way, if you don't like it, it's the work of moments to change it back next time you change strings. Of course, if it floats your boat, the next string change is the time to "confirm" your choice by putting the cover back on...........OR..........take off the other one! WOW! It's at this point that you realise that you can do all the magnet switch without taking off the p/up ring at all! All that multi-dextrous faff to get those things back together and the spring "pings" off to just anywhere in the room, never to be found again - you can just skip that and remove and replace the cover without that kind of trouble!
Your guitar will lose some native sounds for the new "Greeny" thing and not everyone finds that they want it that way when they try it - leave the cover off till you've made up your mind. Saves faff.
ES345 with the Varitone redundant - that's what makes it so unwise/impossible to shop for a used ES345 - they've all been modded to bits all kinds of ways because..........nobody liked the Varitone or the stereo output that much. Don't fall for that one! It's a guitar that not many are familiar with and snake-oil "vintage" sales specialists can have a ball with that. In fact, not many es345s in stock condition are around at all.
Reversing the p/up ring. I think that was installed wrong way round from the "go". It tilts the p/up and it looks really bad - Friday afternoon long ago chez Gibson or whoever took out the Varitone circuitry. Maybe. But I know what he means - just looking at this p/up canted over that way makes you feel sick and if you own something, you can do what you want with it.
Thank you, nice video. All you need to know about the Peter Green thing is right here.
Some people DID like the varitone circuilt, some of the blues cats did - and others. You can remove it from the circuit if wanted. I like ES-345 fretboards!
@@pharmerdavid1432 That's so - some like it. But, that said, this model is out of production and that leaves used - which is a minefield of modified Varitone circuitries as so many converted to mono to create an es335 and others converted them back. The presence of the Varitone is similar (in a way) to the direct-out option on the early single p/up Fender Broadcaster. The Telecaster doesn't sound quite the same and the es345 doesn't have a "straight to the controls" es335 possibility. It's not electrically possible. Signal loss affects tone. That (and complication) is why so many es345s have been butchered..
The es345 has returned to the Gibson range. It's now an es335 with handsome double binding and....that gorgeous fingerboard!
Def not expected a DMX reference, love it! Very interesting video!
This sounds so good!
I did exactly the same to my 2019 Les Paul
Might as well add a cool tap to it now too. I think out of phase tapped neck with a humbucker bridge gives some fantastic playable tones.
I'm thinking about that as well but concerned if it's work. I have an es335 pro with coil split I'd like to try it with. Any idea on if this is ok to do on it?
I did it with an Epiphone dot, and a Gibson SG and I love it on them. Full Jimmy Page setup with four push pull pots. Tap on each humbucker, phase & series/parallel. I love all the options for different purposes.
Awesome thank you 🙏
Great channel .... I just did this on my 335 ; love it . It seems that you don't have a volume drop . I have one ; what could be the reason ? Greetings from France !
There is a slight drop. Thats just the way it is. Turn the amp up!
Very JD Simo soundish! great stuff
Works for me! I wish factory out of phase was an option when buying a guitar.
I'm confused. Can someone explain how turning the volume down a touch puts it back into phase? Just curious.
It really doesn't, but it's a good practical explanation of the effect. At full volume there's maximum cancellation of those frequencies shared by both pickups (amplitude is roughly the same). Reducing the volume of one pickup causes less frequency cancellation, so the pickup with higher volume dominates the frequency spectrum (its amplitude is higher than that of the pickup with lowered volume).
I'm currently learning that for recordings with several microphones sound engineers play the same trick: mics actually are in phase and they take one of them slightly out of phase to remove boominess, or for any other sort of frequency effect they desire.
Worth doing!
Also, i ealized it made me pay more attention to the knobs....which i did, but when i got the o.o.p pafs for the LP i really started to play around with the different sounds of the guitar,,,,,so you get a 2 for 1
Wicked tone! Loove it! What amp were you playing through here? :))
Hey Nik, what do you think of the Budda wah? (the one with the ''rounded'' enclosure). Also are BC108b transisstors are good in a vox wah with a Yellow Fasel? Looking to pair a new wah with a BC183 Sunface. Thanks :)
Suh-weet! Most excellent! 🤙
Greenies front pickup is also rotated backwards.
sweet trick brother!
this only works with alnico h/b pups right? i very carefully had a couple of ceramic mag h/b apart but the mag wouldnt move...
i ordered a guitarmadness "57special" a2 neck humbucker and no problem doing the magnet 180....
Hey Nik! Is the volume lower when it's out of phase? There is any difference between modifying neck pickup or bridge pickup? Thanks a lot!
Sick video bro 🤘🤘🤘
I also want this way for get Out of Phase. But my PAF’s magnet doesn’t move.. it stuck I think. How can I solve the problem?
Push it
Can you do this on a potted pickup?
Yes. Why not?
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 didn't know if the magnet would be waxed solid into place
nice playing french fan
How different to say just wiring it out of phase is the tone change?
Do you have to raise the pickup pole peices as well to remove the magnet?
No. Everything that has to be done was shown in the video
out of phase valid for 3 conductor pickups? if true, i want to try flipping my pickup magnet
is the bit at 12:42 an actual song? if so, wich one
I used a dremel with cutoff to cut the solder.
How does the neck pickup react on it's own with the magnet flipped?
Normal
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Cool, gotta do this. I'll need a soldering iron? 1996 LP studio
Yes. Be safe. Use caution
I notice the screws on the top pickup are facing the neck and the bridge pickup facing has the screws towards the bridge? Usually they are both in the up position. What is the purpose there? Does that help the phasing?
? Ive always seen them , especially the vintage ones, with that orientation. Never flipped the pickups. Just magnet
How JD does it with a push pull?
enjoyed the video
Great video...Thanks for sharing! What year is that 345?
64/65. Pots are 64. Wide neck still
Ok so I got a 2017 Gibson SG standard cherry burst with 57s in it and the circuit board wiring harness went bad so I took it out, wired up a regular vintage style harness and cut the quick connects to the humbucker pickups and solder up the pickups and now it's out of phase on the middle just like yours but I didn't flip the magnets or anything.
Can anyone explain this please !?
I would think the wires are soldered wrong , I've done this loads of times and couldn't stop my guitar quacking !!!
...hadn't realised you'd got a ES345?
Like DMX said. Cheers
Is there any sonic difference from doing it this way vs swapping the wires?
Irrc if you do it with the wiring you can get some nasty hum
Pretty sweet Nik. So did all of the players mentioned have this mod done? I thought it was encountered
due to a mistake at the factory. Imagine if that was a zebra or a dbl. cream?
Many old Gibsons came from the factory out of phase. Also ES345/ES355 came stock out of phase due to the stereo wiring.
Im gearing up to mod my PAF to be in and out of phase with the switch.
Great video. But why not just flip the output wires?
On a Gibson wiring scheme, the grounds are all tied together
Really good how to greeny your pu. But so much of the work was unseen cos your hand was in front of the camera, but the demo of the sounds and how to play out of phase more than made up for that
Flipping the neck pick 180 around also works ( Peter Green did it that way on his Les Paul). Looks kinda weird with the pole pieces on the reverse side. But a lot easier, and easy to return back to original.
No sir. The pickup does not know the direction its in physically. If the polarity of one pickup doesnt change, they are both in phase. PG’s pickup was said to be repaired and possibly rewound the wrong way. Making it out of phase
No that does not work,I tried it on my 335 and it doesn't work.
The pickups are 2 conductor in it and not out of phase.
Interesting. But am I dumb as a tortoise when I ask why you cant achieve this simply by turning the pup round? Note that ye poles are reversed on greeny, but not in this vid.
Interesting, nice playing
Think of the magnet as directional. If you just spin the pickup 180, everything is still traveling the same path
The out off phase thing you showed , could you just turn the whole pick up round 180 instead off the magnet ?
No. You need to change the orientation of the wind and the magnet
Turning the pickup around changes nothing, the magnet's polarity stays the same and the direction of the wiring also stays the same. You would have to mount the pickup upside down (as in the bottom side that normally faces the inside of the guitar up) and that would mean a whole lot of other issues ;)
Yeah man🤘✌💜🎸
Thank you for this, I have an Eastman lo standard with a set of Monty’s PAF’s and I desperately wanted the out of phase sound but was always scared to do it. This video is so helpful. It shows you exactly what needs to be done.
The only thing I’m unsure on is the orientation of the magnet, I did as uou did and it sounds fine to me (haven’t been able to play at proper volume yet though). All other videos show the magnet being turned over like a pancake where as your video shows more of a 180….any issues going with either?
Do not flip it over. Just spin it 180 degrees. Same side facing up
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aint the 345 got factory flipped bridge magnet for the varitone？
Right in the video i explain it
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 ooof ikik commented too soon😂
Would love to hear without reverb also. Good video.
OOP and reverb go together, most of the great OOP sounds were recorded with the reverb turned-up for that reason. Just saying.......
Get your quack on!!!
Actually I thought most 345s were out of phase from the factory due to the stereo wiring?
...I hadn't realised that he'd got one?
Yes. But as i said in the video, this one was wired like a 335
Ain't push-pull better?
Man Nik, ur playing has is bad fuckn ass.
A razor blade works best. It's the least invasive
Half the internet says flip it over along its long axis. Other half says flip it over along it short axis.
WHICH ONE IS IT????
Just do it like it's on the video
@@ElIsraelJijijiji I did it the other way because that's what StewMac said. Now I wonder if it really makes a difference.
@@Bokkie100k i dont think it does, because if you flip the magnet on its axis the magnetic polarity is still the same, you have to flip the magnet in a horizontal axis just like the video so it reverses the magnetic polarity
@@ElIsraelJijijijiwell, I did it the other way and got a great out of phase tone