The concept of kids getting to have more autonomy is more popular.Millennials and. Abut older have had kids. A lot of us saw the fallout of McCulley Culkin, and other kid actors we loved having serious problems.@deiey
This is kind of thing that the "Won't someone think of the children?" people would be interested in if they actually cared about children, and weren't just weaponizing children for their own political gain.
I couldn’t stop thinking of Sarah Lynn while watching Quiet On The Set. It’s horrible how child actors are mistreated and then thrown away once adults, or even if they’re just not popular enough anymore as kids 😢 The parents that exploit their kids on social media are just continuing that entire toxic culture, just for a new generation.
I was a Nick kid from the time it went on air in the 80s. My kids watched iCarly, the Amanda show, etc. They're mid 20s now. We were all devastated because we watched these shows together often times. I remember thinking some of the content was weird at times, but thought maybe I was just being a dirty minded adult. It's sad.
They are, though. It’s why shows try to find identical twins when casting toddlers. But when the parents allow them to break child labor laws and stay silent about major issues and violations just so their child can be the breadwinner, what good are the laws? The parents are just as complicit in many of these instances.
@@bradmyers5354-yes. It's almost like, the parent who is profiting from the relationship with their kid cannot be trusted to be the auditor of that relationship between parent and kid. Probably would help to require parents and children in media work to do interviews with an objective third party from time to time who can throw a flag and say "this parent has to stop working this kid for x amount of time" I think that idea is hard to implement on but probably a good path to pursue. Also mandated education to the kids about what exploitation is vs what grown ups expect out of a job vs is this what you want to spend your time doing, you're the kid after all
Oh no, they won't be able to afford those private jets if they have more regulations! Oh no! Well, no point in making movies because well, I only made them for the money, and if that's not the motive, no reason to do anything, right? No, we will still have movies even if we remove the predators and place protections and regulations to protect everyone... 😂 No need to swing wildly the other way and claim it shouldn't be feasible to hire younger people... But the fact Hollywood was excluded from protection tells you al you need to know about Hollywood. Remember Ronald Reagan grew up in that scene, they're all to blame, they think it's normal to abuse children. They gotta goooo
The Duggar kids also never got paid directly for appearing on 19 Kids and Counting. The fact it was a reality TV show means they aren't treated like child performers doing a job. The father kept all the money and basically controls the kids even after they are adults that way. He'd make them sign contracts even as adults where they have to film giving birth and all that for the show. It is so gross. Reality TV exploits even adults who can consent to filming.
Mama June from Here Comes Honey Boo Boo promised to buy a house for her older daughter and son in law if the daughter agreed to move in, play the role of a pregnant single teen and pretend that she hadn't been raised by her grandmother after June's boyfriend molested her and June sided with the abuser. They didn't get the house and June got back together with the child molester as soon as he got out of prison.
One of the Duggar daughters has talked about, on the day of her wedding, her father pushed some papers for her to sign, knowing that she didn't have the time or capacity to actually read them. She was led to believe it was about the wedding, but she was actually signing a contract to continue featuring her on TV.
To say nothing about the initial choice to build a reality show around an oppressive religious cult like they're some quaint and fascinating primitive tribe.
But who should pay them if not the studio? Should it come out of the amount the child is paid? Or the parents, that might not be able to afford one and might be tempted to use the part of the cut that they might get from their child's work and that might cause something at home to be cut because of it? I'm honestly asking, because I can't think of a way for the studios wouldn't pay and the child wouldn't be hurt on this, but if you have an idea that wouldn't I'd like to hear it
@@complainer406I hear you, but given the trend towards "small government is best!$" rhetoric that has taken over the country, I doubt that it would be paid well. Seriously, that small government perspective is what put the safety required people at Boeing under their payroll. 😊
Of course they are paid by the studio or Production. I know in our film Union they are independent contractors which means that any yahoo could low bid you which could attract questionable applicants
I still remember when Barbara Walters interviewed Corey Feldman and callously admonished him for coming out against abuse, saying he was going to ruin the entire industry.
@@MichaelLovely-mr6ohI’m sure they endured their share of abuse in the industry, but instead of developing eMpathy and working for change they obviously became callous, hardened people and in effect joined the abusers’ side.
Macaulay Culkin had Wil Wheaton, another child star from the 80s, on his podcast Bunny Ears at one point. They both talked honestly about being child actors: that they liked it because they were good at it, but even outside of situations of abuse, they reflect back on the decisions of their parents who looked an 8 year old child and said "You're going to make money for me."
It’s capitalism. When certain people say they hate regulation, it’s because they don’t want anything getting in the way of their precious profits. Regulations are there to protect people; remember that the next time someone campaigns on getting rid of regulatory agencies, like the EPA - or worse: dismantling public education.
I think part of the problem is the choice of the word 'pollution.' We should just call it poison. Imagine people's reactions to this argument: Clearly, we're making money now, and admittedly, we're poisoning you and your family somewhat. But, if you'll agree to relaxing some of these regulations and allow us to poison you a little more, we could make even more money. We'll talk about 'job killing' regulations, but how does cleaning up our own mess kill jobs? All it does is cost share holders profits. Certainly, some regulations are cumbersome, but for the most part, regulations exist to protect people.
@justice_productions_ I believe that capitalism is actually a form of morality that maintains that the greatest short-term profit is the greatest possible good.
People need to recognize that abusers, especially when they’re abusing multiple people over a longer period of time, usually do not abuse or mistreat everyone around them. They often show grandiose narcissistic tendencies and know to make sure to keep a group of people around them who they treat good (as long as they’re useful) because they KNOW that they will need people to defend them when the victims find courage to speak up. They know that they will need people who say stuff like “I have known X for so long, they never mistreated me and I never saw anything” or something along those lines. It’s all planned
I would somewhat disagree with the idea that it's all planned. For some I don't doubt it is, but for many I think it's simply a case of being human and the complexity that involves. It is absolutely possible to be utterly horrendous to some people and genuinely affectionate toward others without it all being an act. I think it's important to acknowledge this in large part because people who think they can detect lies/deceit will either fall victim directly or, as you say, claim that "My friend can't be abusive, they're such a good person."
@@hughcaldwell1034 yes that is absolutely true. it is just that abusers who do that unconsciously are more likely to express other anti-social tendencies which is easier detectable by people on close proximity. Like they are more likely to lash out in situations that can expose them. But it is totally possible that they don’t. But it is important for people to know that there are abusers out there who do everything they do consciously and will put on a perfect act whenever there are people around who they need to be on their side. And they also know how to frame their victim as the “bad one”. This is not every case of abuse, but these cases happen far more than we want to acknowledge.
My ten year old niece has gotten into multiple arguments with family because she refuses to let anyone take her picture and won't even get on a video call because she was annoyed at family constantly posting pictures/screenshots of her on Instagram and Facebook. She's been called difficult and brat more times than I can count but it's been months and she's held her ground, and I'm really, really proud of her for that!! Children deserve autonomy, anonymity, and protection.
I'm proud of her too, and disgusted at your family for shaming her and berating her just for her demanding basic respect, and making her demand it in the 1st place!
I have a feeling that we are going to see a whole new wave of this shit when the little kids that have been getting exploited on RUclips start hitting their late teens/early 20's.
Wait till they ask why we allowed the antiabortionists on their college campuses when they're an identified hategroup, but absolutely wouldn't allow any whitehoods. One hategroup was fine for some reason. 😂
There are no "waves". It's been constant and consistent since the old black-and-white TV days. We old folks have always known about it and have always called for it to be fixed. Instead we get RUclipsrs making shock videos for ignorant people who ignore what's been in the newspapers for the past 100 years.
It's difficult because so many people believe that a child is their parent's property more than that the parent is the child's guardian that we basically need to work to shift our entire mindset about it as a society. It's crazy how many adults complain about participation trophies when too many treat being a parent like an entitlement. Those laws being passed are absolutely a step in the right direction, though.
I guess historically, parents could openly produce and use children for their own gain (in European society, at least), and there is still a lot of residue of that around! 😬
They should be getting well over half their total income. I get that some of these parents might have made it their full time job, but a child should not be supporting the family financially. And to be an agent/manager for a minor should require a license. The agent/manager should be liable for any harm that comes to the child, and should be there to advocate for the child's safety and needs. When a child is working in entertainment, they need multiple saftynets of protection and guardianship not just a parent. Someone with power needs to be there to step in and enforce rules and supervise in all situations with people on set. No getting a child alone so they can be abused.
@@Hi_Im_Akward There's not a single reason I can think of for why they shouldn't get minimally 50% of the money they make set aside. MINIMALLY. They're literally the one doing the work, and that still leaves 50% for all the adults to fight over on the basis of managing and expenses and whatnot.
If parents have to devote their lives to being with their children on set, they should be given a separate paycheck as a child minder or supervisor of minors on set or something. Coogan's law should require a high percentage of the money to be set aside for the kid, and it should include reality stars as well as anything online like utube or tic toc.
Right. They should get at LEAST half. If that child has to sacrifice their childhood bc their parents forced them to, that child should see the benefits, not the parents
What a lot of people have really not mentioned is how brave Drake Bell was to come out and share his story. I’m an abuse survivor myself and while I didn’t grow up with Nickelodean shows because I was a Disney girlie, I can’t even begin to imagine how much strength he might’ve needed to come out and share his heartbreaking story. I hope he’s able to find healing and can move on from all the trauma.
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004did you watch the documentary and/or look into both cases? Just curious because they’re hugely different in the level of crime that occurred and Drake Bell also addresses it in the Doc. I’m not a Drake Stan but I do believe facts, perspective, and nuance are verrrry important
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 yikes lol so many assumptions and strong feelings. I will get out of your way and allow you to blow up in these comments as you would like. Obviously a nuance opinion is not something you’re capable of 😂
Yeah but he is a pedophile himself. And the documentary didn't hold him to account because they wouldn't have afilm without his story. Ironically Schneider was very supportive of bell when his accuser was trying to ruin bells reputation.
What also upset me is that child actors like Macaulay Culkin Gary Coleman and Lindsay Lohans parents financially exploited them like it's not the childrens job to financially support the family it's your job as the parents
One of my childhood friends was at the same audition as Amanda Bynes and a bunch of other children for a Nickelodeon casting call. She and most of the others were rejected because they couldn't imitate the sound of a fire engine on alarm. Knowing she was so close to what was likely going to turn into a hellacious situation has lived rent-free in my head for far longer than I care to admit for
I'm getting this nagging feeling that Hollywood would try to band-aid this issue by replacing child actors with CG child characters mocapped by adult actors, creating an uncanny valley like Bella and Edward's child in Breaking Dawn Part 2 and further abuse towards VFX workers.
A friend of mine got to know Corey Haim when Corey was trying to get sober. I met him a few times, and he was really nice and sincere, but you could tell that he was struggling. I was really sad when he passed, because he was a nice guy who was messed up by the abuse he suffered.
I hate how many people were surprised about this stuff. I've know since I was young kid actors are forced to do some screwed up stuff but people just ignore it because "fun TV". Nobody wants to learn how sausage is made and then always act surprised when it's pig a uses.
I think you're missing the point; a whole ass generation more prominent than ever practically finding out "My Life Is A Lie" because Holy Sh*t This Is Messed Up! Yes, it's bad when some things prior were found out BUT not as widespread.. now because of the "Internet of things", it goes MUCH DEEPER how detailed the darkness behind the scene's truly have gone.
I was a huge Different Strokes fan when I was a kid, and I couldn’t believe what happened with Dana Plato, and later, Gary Coleman. It was absolutely shocking.
During the filming of Metropolis (1927), director Fritz Lang needed a bunch of child extras for a scene in a flooded power station. He got actual Berlin street children to work in freezing, waist deep water for a full day on an unheated set in the middle of October, and then decided they didn't look wet and miserable enough and turned fire hoses on them. After shooting they were given a towel and a small meal of soup and a sandwich and were sent back to live on the streets. I am unclear on if they were paid for the day beyond getting a meal.
But at least he made Metropolis, not ICarly, and we're talking about years when those children would be treated the same in a factory. Also, he wasn't the only one: do you know how De Sica managed to have the child in Bicycle Thieves cry? But in the context of masterpieces, we tend to give people more of a pass.
@@hmnhntr I was half joking in on order to shit on Schneider and his 'art', but things have to be contextualised in the times and culture they happened nonetheless.
Child actor rules still seem to favour the filmmakers (corporations). 6 hours to be working, for a child? That is a long day for a kid!! If they are under 16, it should be no longer than 4 hours, with 15 minute breaks for each hour on set. Food (nutritionally perfect) be provided. After 16, then it can be increased to the 6 hours. Kids should still be allowed to be kids - have fun and learn to play and interact naturally.
But you can get a full time job at 16. I worked limited hours at 16 because I was technically in college, but after I took my A-levels I could do normal shooting hours, and I was still 17. Considering that college is not mandatory and you can work full time in construction after Year 11, why not film?
You know who wasn’t a creep ass on Nickelodeon? The guy who did Pete and Pete. All of his intentions were great like wanting to expose kids to different music. Look it up it’s pure and heart warming
Or Scott Fellows. Scott is the creator of shows such as "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" and "100 Things to do Before High School." Both of these shows are extremely good and help kids in middle school navigate what is no doubt the most awkward and difficult time of their lives.
Pete and Pete is in a special place in my heart. If I heard of abuse on that show it would break my heart into a million pieces and not even a steel plate could repair it
This is what I try to explain every time people ask me why I don’t allow my kids images online without a sticker on their faces. My kids are not old enough to understand the repercussions of their entire lives being documented, and therefore they cannot give consent. It wasn’t really a thing 10 years ago when my oldest was born for people to be hesitant to share their kids faces, but it felt icky to me, so we never have. I’ve seen more and more people go this route as my kids have gotten older, though.
As a former kid who's mother DID post their face online, thank you. I'm still mad at my mom for posting my childhood photos without my permission. I know she didn't have ill intent and only wanted to share them with our family, which would be fine, but her account isn't private so anyone can see them.
You’re a good parent. I remember being angry at my mom for not letting me post myself online when I was young, but now I see how right she was. When you post something on the internet, thousands of people are gonna see it, so you’re essentially trusting thousands of strangers with photos of your child. I’m surprised more parents aren’t against it.
THANK YOU! I've had some heated discussions over the years with my friends because I said I didn't agree with their posting pictures of their kids on social media, and wouldn't EVER comment on them. WAY back in college in the 90s, I remember a very heated argument with some friends over a well-known artist's recently released book of photographs of her children. I was really repulsed by it, and "all the artists" and "all the feminists" in the room dogpiled on me with the accusation I was sexualizing children. NO. as an artist (albeit a writer) and as a feminist (albeit NOTHING), the problem with it that I had was that the kids were STILL too young to consent. They were all under 18 at the time of publication. I was REFUSING TO COMMODIFY them. Yes, as a feminist I'm ADAMANTLY in favor of their mother working and making her art, but KIDS AREN'T PAINT. They aren't clouds. I would have -- and do feel -- precisely the same way whether it's a mother or a father posting pictures of kids online, whether the KIDS are male, female, or non-binary. Our society is supposed to prevent children from being able to make permanent judgements and mistakes that can foreseeably have lifelong adult consequences. Well, the consequences of a visible nationally accessible presence are pretty big. And yet my friends back then, a crowd of mostly liberal, very empathetic, very kind and thinking people, had an ENORMOUS blind spot where this was concerned. It bothered me then, and it bothers me that SO MANY parents still just shrug this off.
Im so glad people are progressing. I was raised without any concepts about consent even existing. I did post pics of my kids online occasionally. Ive since closed down my facebook & would NEVER do that again. I feel soooo awful that it never once occurred to me. Im delighted by society progressing to truly care about things that old people never knew about. TY all.❤
And some of these parents were either failed artists or didn't achieve their dream of becoming actors, so when they had children of their own, they forced their children to work in the entertainment industry to live precariously through their children. One of the saddest cases is Judith Barsi, the actress who voiced Little Foot in the movie "Land Before Time" who was killed by her own father and her mother was also killed. Fun fact: Drake Bell is now currently living in Mexico and he appeared on some Mexican shows, has given concerts and he was on an interview with Yordi Rosado on his RUclips channel.
As a parent of a child actor, I'm *intensely* aware of all this stuff. It's not like my kid is super famous (a small part in a TV show, a couple independent films, and working alongside me in an occasional gaming stream does not a Hollywood starlet make) but both her mother and I want to be *certain* that she grows up having a relatively normal childhood, that these things she does are done because they're positive experiences for her and not as a source of income for us. Same as if she goes in to sports. I'm not going to be that parent yelling at the coaches and the referees and everyone else and constantly pushing her to improve or to do more. These things are for *her*, not for me, and if she decides that it isn't something she wants to do, then she doesn't do it. We get the same casting calls as anyone else in our little corner of the industry, we always check with her and explain what the role would be and what she would have to do to audition, how much time it would take, what she would be required to do, etc... and quite often she just says, "No, I don't want to," and that's the end of it. I'm not looking to make a superstar out of my kid, I'm looking to support her in pursuing what she would like to pursue, whatever that means for her.
@@eshbena Honestly, given the money involved, I can see how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking of the child as a meal ticket -- but also, being her on-set guardian was a lot of *our* time, and work (you don't know parenting nerves until you've tried to calm a child with a film crew watching you, a crew that's losing valuable time and money waiting for the child to calm down). Some of the other kids had travelled, which meant their parents had to take time off from their jobs to support them. I'm not trying to absolve the 'stage parents' of their guilt, just saying that I kind of understand where that can come from. And there are definitely some parents out there trying to live their own failed dreams through their kids, and that's a whole other level of messed up, right up there with those parents who use their kids as their own road to stardom. The flip side of it is that the audience kind of encourages the bad behaviour by rewarding it, too. But that's an issue for all kinds of bad behaviours, not just those involving child exploitation.
It’s interesting you also mentioned kids sport. My daughter was highly successful at a minority sport (roller figure skating). At one point she decided to drop one of the disciplines she had been training in, but I was cool with that because it was for her to decide what she wanted to do. However I saw so many other parents forcing their kids to continue because they got status based on their kid’s performance, even though no money or real fame was at stake. I hate to think what happens in sports where there is prize money or wide fame to be won.
This is the same attitude that Billie Eilish and Finneas's parents have always had. It shows. I even saw it in the documentary they did. There was this one moment where their mom hammered home the reality of the trajectory she was facing and told her that if she wanted to quit, they'd quit and that would be that. And she could find something else creative to do. But if she wanted to go for it, she'd be there with her the whole way, no matter what. That's real parenting. No wool over the eyes, no pushing, just a serving of reality, autonomy and unconditional support.❤
I find that incredibly unlikely given how school shootings tend to be "handled" (if you can call it that) in the US. It's always "protect the kids" until it involves addressing their number #1 cause of death
I'm only like a year older than you Leeja and I was also a Nick kid. Unfortunately, my childhood was very unsafe and full of abuse, and The Amanda Show and All That were part of my escape. I remember seeing these kids and thinking "They look like they're having so much fun!" and dreamed about running away from my home situation to compete on Legends of the Hidden Temple (as if I could just walk from NY to LA and they would just let me in, lol). I got into acting in high school and I've been a working actor on and off for most of my adult life (shoutouts to One Tree Hill for paying my rent on multiple occasions) and at this point I'm actually not at all surprised by this, just very, very sad. Being in the industry I've heard stories like this so many times, and I do recall hearing the stuff about Schneider and thinking "yeah... the foot thing was definitely off" like a while ago. I'm of a mind that, with the way the industry works, and with the way this country is run, there really is no safe way for child actors to thrive. I understand how strange it is and immersion breaking it is to just cut kids out of storytelling as much as possible, but my entertainment is never worth it if it means children are being abused and exploited. I don't know that there's a clear cut solution, but whenever kids can be replaced, I think they should. I think when children are involved, the NDAs go out the window and we should have the transparency in those productions to ensure the kids are okay. Some productions opt to credit child actors with pseudonyms and keep them out of the spotlight, and I think that's good practice too.
I'm definitely starting to lean more towards explicitly younger children characters only being in media in animation, and having them be voiced by adult actors that can sound like kids. For live action, it may be better to go back to that often joked about trope of having teen characters being played by young-ish looking actors in their 20s.
@@mattboy5296 fully agree. Most of the work I do now is voiceover work, and there are plenty of incredibly talented voice actors who can portray child characters with stunning realism (a VA friend of mine can imitate a baby so accurately it genuinely creeps me out). Especially in the field of animation, there is no reason at all to be using actual child actors. I don't know if you're familiar with the case of Judith Barsi, but it's one of the first instances of child star abuse that I recall learning when I was younger and it still haunts me to this very day. That girl should have grown up happy and healthy, far FAR away from the entertainment industry (and far away from her parents but that is besides the point, her acting career was a big factor in what happened to her).
@@jgray2718As an actor I understand the importance of an NDA from the studio's perspective, but protecting your IP or project info from leaking is so insignificant compared to child safety that I really think we need to push for that
I think we'd lose a lot of humanity if we weren't allowed to depict children in stories. At the same time, this outrageous behavior from Hollywood and other studios across the US and the world is something we cannot allow to continue in any form. the only way to get the studio to care about protecting child actors is to threaten their profit if something happens. And then there has to be someone on the set that is designated to report that, breathing down the necks of the cast and crew. Fixing this would also have to segue into labor regulations around entertainment and art to improve conditions, benefits, and protections for everyone involved, especially concerning privacy and boundaries. I do also think limiting the roles that children can play in would be a positive development, like no reality TV or lead roles until a certain age.
I agree. There are many stories that have children as their protagonist, so there must be a system that protects them so that they can feel safe on set while giving it their all.
I’m sorry but I live in reality. People aren’t boycotting their shows and movies. If they would they’d have done so, because this isn’t new behavior from show business. And Congress, state or federal, won’t pass laws restricting the revenue stream of capital owners. As for your hyperbolic statement of losing a lot of humanity, how much humanity do we have when parents are willfully ignoring and sometimes excusing a system setup to exploit and sexually abuse children all because they’re counting on a child as young as infants to pay their bills? Many of the stories contained in the miniseries involved parents allowing certain behavior because of the money being made or the prospect of bigger checks in the future, parents not going to the authorities which allowed predators to prey on more victims, and in the case of Drake Bell an absent mother not caring enough to be present despite his father warning her about the man that would eventually commit heinous acts to her child. The adults to be blamed aren’t just those producing the content.
I think introducing a "one movie/season of a show per child" rule would be necessary as well. And a maximum amount of time a child is allowed to be on set during production (dependent on their age) (with additional limits being placed on how much time they can be on set on a daily and weekly basis as well) regardless of movie or season length. This way a child won't get stuck in endless takes... if you want to work with children, you will have to accept imperfection from them. Even if we put in place a ton of regulations about how children are treated on set, those regulations wouldn't be perfect and minimizing the time any individual child spends on set would minimize the chances of them being abused and prevent parents from making them "stage kids". Even if something does manage to go wrong, then at least it is an experience they will only have to go through once. Children in sitcoms already age unusually fast so replacing the child actor for each season of a show wouldn't be too hard to work around anyway. But perhaps more importantly, any money that is made off of the movie/show needs to go into a bank account that the parents can't ever access and that the child gets access to only upon turning 18. This would remove any financial incentives and make it more likely that only kids who actually want to be on TV will end up auditioning.
@maxixe3143 I like the idea about having the child actor change each season, but then there's the burden of having the child change appearance over each season. Think of a show like "Malcolm in the Middle" or "The Adventures of Pete and Pete". I bet the character’s delivery will be very different across each season if that was applied. I also really like that bank account idea. That way, after the kid is done with showbiz, he can go to college and get ready for his adult life.
I've read Jennette McCurdy's memoir and it was one of the most cathartic memoirs that I've ever read. The abuse she had to put up with from her mother to Dan Schneider as she too got the brunt of his abuse. She mentions that Schneider forced her to drink alcohol when she was still underage and how Nickelodeon tried to give Jennette McCurdy $300,000 to not talk about the network or Schneider and she refused the money. I grew up watching iCarly and while I enjoyed watching the show, I look at it more poignantly now then I did then. I did watch some episodes of the iCarly revival which was not bad as I thought it would be, the original cast was very understanding about McCurdy not wanting to appear in the revival.
I hope Jennette McCurdy will be able to heal from the horrors she endured. Just like Leeja; I grew up watching Nickelodeon during its prime in the 1990's and 2000's, so I enjoyed watching shows such as "Drake and Josh," "Zoey 101," "iCarly," "Unfabulous," "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide," "Just Jordan," "True Jackson VP," and so much more. I always enjoyed watching "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" because Lindsey Shaw (Moze) was so gorgeous. To me; Lindsey Shaw was an American Kate Winslet. When I watched "Unfabulous" I had no idea that Emma Roberts was the niece of Julia Roberts.
the John Wayne Gacy thing was insane, made more insane by how CHILL the guy was when he was describing the experience. "yeah, the house seemed kinda off but that's just because of the terrifying painting of a clown painted by an actual serial killer" like it was just kinda something that happened.
I think there is also something strong to say how reaction channels also use this abuse and abuse rumors as entertainment. Constantly alledging who was and wasn't abuse under the guise of concern leaving the actors/actresses comment sections flooded with questions about whether they were sexually abused or demanding they speak out. I see so many people reguritate rumors that were we know aren't true, Jamie Lynn's baby daddy is publicly known yet people want to believe her child was actually conceived by rape by her employer. Or they believe the twitter that impersonated Amanda Bynes.
I saw this too in the Ruby Frankie case. A lot of the therapist RUclipsrs did not use children names and blurred their faces, but many other reactors are blasting the kids names and faces. Poor kids already went through enough. We all need to think more ethically with what we share and capitalize on the internet especially when it involves children.
With regards to Jamie Lynn Spears; people need to drop the rumor of Dan Schneider being the father of her eldest daughter Maddie. Besides; Maddie doesn't deserve to have this cloud of suspicion looming over her head because she is in high school now and deserves to enjoy all the fun things high school students get to do. From what I have been able to tell through Jamie Lynn's posts on her Instagram; Maddie seems like she has a good head on her shoulders because she's a star on her softball team and has maintained a 4.0 GPA.
“Yeah, the producer groped my daughter and I just thought it was…weird, you know?” I know that there are parents who were after money. I know that there are parents who didn’t know how sets worked. But some of them were just flat out dumb when it came to not recognizing what was around their kids
I grew up with a child actor in my local school named Trent Lehman… He was on Nanny and the Professor. He committed suicide at the age of 20. He was so damaged by the entertainment industry.
Please talk about how laws in the west really treat kids like property instead of people and give some more context to how recent the changes in child abuse laws have been.
CPS didnt get involved until all three kids told a psychologist we were afraid of them. I was a sophomore in HS at that point. Prior to that, no one ever believed me. That was the 80s and 90s though. Laws protecting children are pretty shit in my experience, even outside child exploitation.
Check out the story of Jackie cooper, he’s a former child actor back in the 1930s. To make him cry in a very pivotal scene in the champ, they took his dog off set and all he heard was someone shooting a rifle. This led to him completely breaking down. They walk his dog back in the studio and he was so inconsolable for hours after this (holding on to his dog weeping) that they called a doctor to give him tranquilizers to calm him down. HOW. FREAKING. CRUEL. Oh and they hated Judy garland for the role of Dorothy and reminded her constantly that they only wanted her voice and not her face or body. Shirley temple had to dance with a broken foot. Great video by the way…I’m glad we are removing some of the mystique behind this industry
Should kids be entertainment? In a word no. Sports, pageants, acting. Name it, if kids were involved, they were not treated well. Parents, coaches, teachers, doctors, ministers have all had a hand in the abuse, both physical and mental. I don't have an answer, but, stop making kids the center!
Agreed. Theres just as much of this, if not more, going on in schools, athletics, arts… we just don’t recognize the faces of the victims or perpetrators like we do in Hollywood.
Pardon but that would mean for let's say circus roncallli (switzerland and it's really just a travelling family circus) the definitive end, but the children love it. I was good in skiing, more as just but i decided for my friends instead of a career, well it was up to me and i know that this often not the case, but hey blame the parents for it not the business. Cough, don't you think that even this documentary abuses the children a second time? If they was abused at all in which sense ever, accusations are no evidences. The same parents who abuse their children a second time because they ran out of money? Heck why not?! It all pisses me off! *Ist doch alles bloss Mache und Show und Abzockerei auf dem Buckel der Kinder diesmal einfach mit der Tränendrüsendrück-Masche* But a general "no" isn't a good idea i guess.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper*Jared was an actor for Subway. Technically, I don't know where they filmed, but I would still count it as "Hollywood" in spirit.
Everyone is acting like this is news; "You Oughta Know" was written about Dave Coulier's (Uncle Joey on Full House) sexual relationship with Alanis Morissette when she was 15 and a part of rhe cast of "You Cant Do That On Television"
I have heard of that song since it came out back in the '90s, but I've never been much of a fan of Morissette. Thus I had no idea until typing this about this dark side of Coulier, whom I know best as the voice of Peter Venkman in The Real Ghostbusters cartoon series. You always learn something new, whether you seek to or not.
This is such an important issue that shows how the geriatric politicians we have are constantly behind the necessary legislation that is actively needed in our society. The evils of social media are not truly understood by parents as a CSA advocate, the simplest clean image can be used in vulgar ways and that’s is terrifying as a parent.
At 15:45 there's a point about emotional attachment of parents to children in eras of high childhood mortality. Although it's commonly stated that parents weren't emotionally attached, it turns out not to be the case. Parents did become attached to children even though they knew the risk of loss was high. It's a harrowing thought that parents could---and did---birth and bury a dozen or more children and feel the loss of each one.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the kids from Different Strokes. They all had horrible lives as kids and as young adults, and only Todd Bridges is still alive.
Bill Cosby was a hard one for this Gen X'er. I mean, the Cosby Show, Jell-o pudding pops, stealing baby buggy wheels to make coaster cars. And then, well, he's convicted as a serial rapist. That was really disappointing. I mean, c'mon, man - seriously?
There is a clip from COSBY show where he talks about using “Spanish fly” in his wife’s drink to “get her in the mood”. I saw the clip on RUclips. OOF. That did not age well.
Family vloggers is the new but not-so-new (it's been going on for years) trend that's infuriating because it's the family that's being abusive, not some big corporation that's easy to get mad at.
I guess it's hard for me to imagine the hard core journalists/activist who spoke so eloquently and powerfully about the criminalization of poverty and homelessness as tween in puppy love watching Nickelodeon. 1990 I was 30 my only exposure to Nickelodeon was hanging out with the daughter of women I was dating .
7:41 on a lighter note than most of this- I feel SO SEEN because I used to do the exact same thing! (With dougie poynter from British band McFly specifically) but drake bell was absolutely one of my first girlhood crushes, so a lot was resonating for me specifically when you were talking about this!❤
It definitely doesn’t make sense to me to just remove kids from all forms of media. It would be extremely weird to be watching a TV show and not see a single child anywhere. Agreed that the protections just need to be turned WAY up
I grew up watching Nickelodeon and while the documentary is heartbreaking it really wasn't surprising. Amanda Bynes herself came out and stated something wasn't right with the executives of those shows and nobody listened. While I have some good memories of watching the shows, growing up had given me the sad reality that not all adults are good people. I think the flaw is with show business itself and that if we want things to change we need to hold directors, producers, and anybody who isn't in front of the camera to a higher standard. We already do that to those in front of the camera.
also want to mention honeyboo in this conversation. her mom has burned thru all her money ( and her siblings) and they are just not getting some back with their own show. shes been on TV since 7 y’all that’s insane!
just now*** also I didn’t know that parent have to make a “coogan account” for kids under 18 I think and they have to put 15% of that earned money into that account. I think it should be 60% honestly
@@PrincessDiana254have you kept up with the Duggar family at all of the 18 kids and counting TLC show? The contracts said the dad got all the money and then he paid his ADULT children. Jim Bob had his daughter sign a contract on the morning of her wedding day so ofcourse she didn’t read it and it gave TLC the right to film her giving birth etc and the father got all of the income. It’s INSANE!!!
It's crazy how many parents put their kids online for content. I love getting photos from friends of their kids doing stupid things but putting that online, should never be a thing.
If I have kids, I'd leave them out of my social media accounts as much as possible. There's no reason why I should put them in harms way or use them for clout.
I'm the same age as you and also grew up watching all of those same shows. And it had a big impact on me as well. I managed to watch two episodes of that documentary before I said enough is enough. I literally could not stomach to hear any more atrocities having taken place. I just can't push myself to continue watching it. Great episode Leeja!!!
I'm guessing you don't have kids and know what a crazy amount of money it takes to raise one. IIRC the average kid takes about a quarter of a million dollars to raise. It is not unreasonable for parents to take a portion of a child's earnings, as long as the majority gets put away for the child. And keep in mind that very few child actors/talent are making millions of dollars. Most will just be making enough to get by and maybe sock away a little.
I agree. I did musical theater as a child. It was never a question of me making money to support the family, my mom worked on Saturday mornings, or other weird times to help pay the mortgage. I have a nice savings because my mom put it in a high yield savings account. I've seen kids where parents need their child to make money. At best I made about $800 a week for a national tour. Higher than average because it was understood a parent needed to basically not work for 7 months. Some parents seemed normal, others were stage parents because if their kids weren't on at all times they would be blacklisted and not work again. The kids had to work to pay the bills, hence the abuse. One of the contract rules was you couldn't grow three inches or gain a certain amount of weight. There were kids not allowed to order chicken fingers because their parents didn't want them to grow. These were like normal parents too, not parents you would think are abusive just they needed their kid to stay the same to pay bills.
I have a baby. I don't follow any family vlogs or kid channels. Any parents I watch don't have content that focuses on their kids at all. I have never and will never post media of them on the internet.
I still view child acting as child labor. And yes that includes voice acting in my opinion. I still hope things can improve in the industry for them. It’s very hard seeing RUclips kid stars being used to make money and same goes here in shows and movies
Gross… freaking gross. Felt bad for Amanda with all the schadenfreude towards her. Suspected there was more to all this. I’ll check out this documentary this week. Thanks L.
I think having child characters can be really important for telling certain stories, but that’s where books and graphic novels and animated films with adult voice actors are great.
He was also not an abuser or criminal. His choices were not the best ones, and they looked bad, yes, but he is the rare- very rare- example of an adult who enjoyed spending time with kids but never abused them. He protected them from abuse, despite what we've all been lead to believe.
Honestly a very difficult question to answer. I honestly can't lean anyone way on this cause its such a case by case basis. Let the parents decide doesn't feel Right nor does (fully) leaving it up to the kid. Maybe laws in place to make it safer? But even then there's no guarantee it will be enforced properly.
One thing I always wonder about this, though not on topic, is how so many people can agree that keeping food and water restricted from kids is abuse, but not apply that same opinion to "ABA Therapy" for autistic kids in which food is restricted, or cases of parents who harm or kill their disabled kids. Like...bring that same energy, y'all!
it’s because they don’t see disabled kids as living breathing human beings with feelings and emotions, they’re below even pets and domestic animals to them. ABA needs to be illegal, the parallels between it tuberculosis sanitariums for indigenous people and residential schools as a mixed indigenous person are too strong for comfort.
@@S3lkie-Gutz Oh 100%! I agree. I guess it's more so, I ask "why" in the sense of "WHY can't they see disabled kids as human!?!?" out of fury, more than the "Reason" which is just ableism in a can. But yeah, you have it spot on!
I know people dunk on the fake baby in the Twilight movies but uh... maybe that was the most ethical thing Hollywood ever did regarding a child character?
16:13 THANK YOU for recognizing that judges frequently make up laws without the legal authority to do so, instead of letting the legislative branch handle that task.
It is sickening how much of this stuff has been public for a long time, but only now has actually been compiled by people who have the reach and influence to get it heard by a broader audience. The fact is that our societies claimed morals have never actually been held by the people with power, influence, and wealth. It is despicable, and yet we are powerless to actually change things, as is being displayed by the current international political landscape.
My great Uncle was Bobby Driscoll (Peter Pan) one of the first Disney Child stars... Our family is still dealing with the ramifications hereditarily. He fell into and succumbed to his addictions. The majority of the family members who came after him have done the same.
I'm one of those millennials who grew up without cable most of my life so I never really grew up on Nick. Even when we did get cable, I still stuck to watching animated shows and teen dramas on channels like WB. Seeing this though, I'm glad I didn't unknowingly support such exploitation with my attention.
It’s so hard sometimes to parse what aligns with my values when it comes to online child content. I don’t actively follow family influencers, but if I get served a cute or funny video including a child it makes me want to protect them more. I think you’re right. Regulation is needed, and fast.
I don't particularly like kids either. But they're people and deserve peace and respect. I will always advocate for kids safety and wellbeing. People like Colleen Ballinger STILL have a fucking channel despite ADMITTING to being inappropriate with kids on many different levels. Also side note: who is watching family content?!? Only creeps I'm guessing.
I took care of a lady in her 90s wasn't a child star but she told me how as a kid the doctor prescribed cigarettes to help with her diabetes. She says she remembered his stained fingers as he smoked in his office and having to smoke a cigarette after her birthday cake doctor's orders
Abuses in the entertainment industry far exceeds abuses elsewhere. I say this mostly because so much of the child's life is public. I'm sure they get almost as much hate mail as adult entertainers. They are people who have never met them and hate just to hate.
24:55 "I deeply believe in protecting children, I just don't want to hang out with them." Sounds much like me. My lifestyle is very much adult-oriented. I stay as far away from children as possible, partly for their safety, but even more for my own.
Gelsey Kirkland's first autobiography claims that George Balanchine brought friends to her performances who would see her and other ballerinas dress for their performances. They dancers were young. Kirkland also discussed her life problems, which were considerable, which were either caused or triggered by her training and career. Her autobiography was entitled, "Dancing on my Grave." The censorship in this video is ridiculous.
I remember different strokes. Where none of those child stars didn't get anything for their work. It was really sad. That said I do think it is interesting that children can act and I also like the honesty of children and their abilities on RUclips channels.
Leeja this is a great video I am just speechless and still processing all of this! We live in a world that will use, destroy, and exploit anyone and everything in existence for the sake of a dollar. I’m shocked but not surprised. My heart breaks for all of our innocent children! 😢😢😢😢😢😢
The one that shocked me recently was Wil Wheaton. I had, for years, read interviews (or snippets of them) where he talks about how the other Star Trek actors had in some ways protected and shielded him from the destructive path most child stars end up going down. It had never clicked for me therefore that he was being forced into acting by his parents who were abusing him, until a recent tell all was put out. It makes sense to me now that he left acting for the most part after Star Trek, and sought a new path for himself.
To be honest, I personally think Shirley Temple Black had the most successful comeback of a child star. She was US Ambassador to Czechoslovakia and Ghana, and she was the first female Chief of Protocol of the United States. She was the exception to the rule in relation to the career trajectories of child actors, and honestly was probably very lucky that she didn’t get the contract with MGM. A blessing in disguise, if you will. And her daughter Lori was the bassist for The Melvins!
I hate people who think children do not deserve privacy or parents who think they own their children.
I think as gen z starts having children (if they ever do) that mentality will change
@@deitayWhy? As someone who has worked in childcare, I can tell you that Gen Z parents are just like any other parents I’ve met.
The concept of kids getting to have more autonomy is more popular.Millennials and. Abut older have had kids. A lot of us saw the fallout of McCulley Culkin, and other kid actors we loved having serious problems.@deiey
i hate people who groom children
#proteccourkids
@@cl8804 antisemitic comments in this guy's history
This is kind of thing that the "Won't someone think of the children?" people would be interested in if they actually cared about children, and weren't just weaponizing children for their own political gain.
Amen
Exactly‼️
They are too busy being more concerned about a cluster of cells in a woman's uterus. 🙄
@@Lee-qu4ce Or a cluster of chemicals in a "man's" genetics.
So...your response to learning about real harm towards children is "Yeah but other people are lying!"
That is a really weird impulse.
There's a line from Sarah Lynn in LoJack horseman that sums it up.
"How is this legal? I didn't know what I was doing. I was three."
Pretty much.
The Sarah Lynn character arch is one of the most tragic I've ever seen and brilliantly executed.
@@YukonBloamieShe feels like a combination of britney spears and so many other young girls like Garland and Shirley Temple all in one :( so tragic
I couldn’t stop thinking of Sarah Lynn while watching Quiet On The Set. It’s horrible how child actors are mistreated and then thrown away once adults, or even if they’re just not popular enough anymore as kids 😢 The parents that exploit their kids on social media are just continuing that entire toxic culture, just for a new generation.
I was a Nick kid from the time it went on air in the 80s. My kids watched iCarly, the Amanda show, etc. They're mid 20s now. We were all devastated because we watched these shows together often times. I remember thinking some of the content was weird at times, but thought maybe I was just being a dirty minded adult. It's sad.
I've been saying this forever... Children in entertainment should be so highly regulated and costly that it hardly makes any sense to do it.
Yeah, parents shouldn’t be able to quit their jobs and force their children to pay the bills
They are, though. It’s why shows try to find identical twins when casting toddlers. But when the parents allow them to break child labor laws and stay silent about major issues and violations just so their child can be the breadwinner, what good are the laws? The parents are just as complicit in many of these instances.
@@bradmyers5354-yes. It's almost like, the parent who is profiting from the relationship with their kid cannot be trusted to be the auditor of that relationship between parent and kid.
Probably would help to require parents and children in media work to do interviews with an objective third party from time to time who can throw a flag and say "this parent has to stop working this kid for x amount of time" I think that idea is hard to implement on but probably a good path to pursue. Also mandated education to the kids about what exploitation is vs what grown ups expect out of a job vs is this what you want to spend your time doing, you're the kid after all
@bradmyers5354 The twins thing is only for very young children since their filming time is limited
Oh no, they won't be able to afford those private jets if they have more regulations! Oh no!
Well, no point in making movies because well, I only made them for the money, and if that's not the motive, no reason to do anything, right?
No, we will still have movies even if we remove the predators and place protections and regulations to protect everyone... 😂
No need to swing wildly the other way and claim it shouldn't be feasible to hire younger people...
But the fact Hollywood was excluded from protection tells you al you need to know about Hollywood.
Remember Ronald Reagan grew up in that scene, they're all to blame, they think it's normal to abuse children. They gotta
goooo
The Duggar kids also never got paid directly for appearing on 19 Kids and Counting. The fact it was a reality TV show means they aren't treated like child performers doing a job. The father kept all the money and basically controls the kids even after they are adults that way. He'd make them sign contracts even as adults where they have to film giving birth and all that for the show. It is so gross. Reality TV exploits even adults who can consent to filming.
If there wasn’t an audience…….
Mama June from Here Comes Honey Boo Boo promised to buy a house for her older daughter and son in law if the daughter agreed to move in, play the role of a pregnant single teen and pretend that she hadn't been raised by her grandmother after June's boyfriend molested her and June sided with the abuser. They didn't get the house and June got back together with the child molester as soon as he got out of prison.
One of the Duggar daughters has talked about, on the day of her wedding, her father pushed some papers for her to sign, knowing that she didn't have the time or capacity to actually read them. She was led to believe it was about the wedding, but she was actually signing a contract to continue featuring her on TV.
Same goes for RUclipsrs. Some of them have a huge audience because their kids are good on camera.
To say nothing about the initial choice to build a reality show around an oppressive religious cult like they're some quaint and fascinating primitive tribe.
On set educators are paid by the studio, causing a conflict of interest in their role as protector.
But who should pay them if not the studio? Should it come out of the amount the child is paid? Or the parents, that might not be able to afford one and might be tempted to use the part of the cut that they might get from their child's work and that might cause something at home to be cut because of it?
I'm honestly asking, because I can't think of a way for the studios wouldn't pay and the child wouldn't be hurt on this, but if you have an idea that wouldn't I'd like to hear it
@@NankitaBR Government employees. Tax any studio using child actors and pay the educators from it.
@@complainer406I hear you, but given the trend towards "small government is best!$" rhetoric that has taken over the country, I doubt that it would be paid well. Seriously, that small government perspective is what put the safety required people at Boeing under their payroll. 😊
Of course they are paid by the studio or Production. I know in our film Union they are independent contractors which means that any yahoo could low bid you which could attract questionable applicants
@@no_peace Exactly!
I still remember when Barbara Walters interviewed Corey Feldman and callously admonished him for coming out against abuse, saying he was going to ruin the entire industry.
I remember that interview... what a callous, trash thing for her to say.
Not a shining example of a journalist EVER.
Barbara WaWa has said some of the most f'd up $#!t to her interviewees. The lack of empathy is astounding.
Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer are some of the meanest women in journalism.
@@MichaelLovely-mr6ohI’m sure they endured their share of abuse in the industry, but instead of developing eMpathy and working for change they obviously became callous, hardened people and in effect joined the abusers’ side.
Macaulay Culkin had Wil Wheaton, another child star from the 80s, on his podcast Bunny Ears at one point. They both talked honestly about being child actors: that they liked it because they were good at it, but even outside of situations of abuse, they reflect back on the decisions of their parents who looked an 8 year old child and said "You're going to make money for me."
It’s capitalism. When certain people say they hate regulation, it’s because they don’t want anything getting in the way of their precious profits. Regulations are there to protect people; remember that the next time someone campaigns on getting rid of regulatory agencies, like the EPA - or worse: dismantling public education.
I think part of the problem is the choice of the word 'pollution.' We should just call it poison. Imagine people's reactions to this argument:
Clearly, we're making money now, and admittedly, we're poisoning you and your family somewhat. But, if you'll agree to relaxing some of these regulations and allow us to poison you a little more, we could make even more money. We'll talk about 'job killing' regulations, but how does cleaning up our own mess kill jobs? All it does is cost share holders profits.
Certainly, some regulations are cumbersome, but for the most part, regulations exist to protect people.
It’s always capitalism.
@justice_productions_ I believe that capitalism is actually a form of morality that maintains that the greatest short-term profit is the greatest possible good.
@@jimsanderson9020 yea now profit over everything else is horrible and u shouldn’t be defending it
@@jimsanderson9020 yea no
People need to recognize that abusers, especially when they’re abusing multiple people over a longer period of time, usually do not abuse or mistreat everyone around them. They often show grandiose narcissistic tendencies and know to make sure to keep a group of people around them who they treat good (as long as they’re useful) because they KNOW that they will need people to defend them when the victims find courage to speak up. They know that they will need people who say stuff like “I have known X for so long, they never mistreated me and I never saw anything” or something along those lines. It’s all planned
I would somewhat disagree with the idea that it's all planned. For some I don't doubt it is, but for many I think it's simply a case of being human and the complexity that involves. It is absolutely possible to be utterly horrendous to some people and genuinely affectionate toward others without it all being an act.
I think it's important to acknowledge this in large part because people who think they can detect lies/deceit will either fall victim directly or, as you say, claim that "My friend can't be abusive, they're such a good person."
@@hughcaldwell1034 yes that is absolutely true. it is just that abusers who do that unconsciously are more likely to express other anti-social tendencies which is easier detectable by people on close proximity. Like they are more likely to lash out in situations that can expose them. But it is totally possible that they don’t.
But it is important for people to know that there are abusers out there who do everything they do consciously and will put on a perfect act whenever there are people around who they need to be on their side. And they also know how to frame their victim as the “bad one”. This is not every case of abuse, but these cases happen far more than we want to acknowledge.
Ya might find Jessica Ladd's system Of systemOfReport ing helpful. She has a short 6 min tedtalk on it. Would of helped me as a kid.
My ten year old niece has gotten into multiple arguments with family because she refuses to let anyone take her picture and won't even get on a video call because she was annoyed at family constantly posting pictures/screenshots of her on Instagram and Facebook. She's been called difficult and brat more times than I can count but it's been months and she's held her ground, and I'm really, really proud of her for that!! Children deserve autonomy, anonymity, and protection.
I'm proud of her too, and disgusted at your family for shaming her and berating her just for her demanding basic respect, and making her demand it in the 1st place!
Your niece has a good head on her shoulders.
She’s on the right track!
Your niece is a high maintenance brat.
She should keep a journal. It would make a great plot for a TV movie on Lifetime.
I have a feeling that we are going to see a whole new wave of this shit when the little kids that have been getting exploited on RUclips start hitting their late teens/early 20's.
Wait till they ask why we allowed the antiabortionists on their college campuses when they're an identified hategroup, but absolutely wouldn't allow any whitehoods. One hategroup was fine for some reason. 😂
There are no "waves". It's been constant and consistent since the old black-and-white TV days. We old folks have always known about it and have always called for it to be fixed. Instead we get RUclipsrs making shock videos for ignorant people who ignore what's been in the newspapers for the past 100 years.
Probably when they turn 30 and they’ve had the reality check and healing needed to speak out.
Especially the van lfe kids 😅
Absolutely
It's difficult because so many people believe that a child is their parent's property more than that the parent is the child's guardian that we basically need to work to shift our entire mindset about it as a society. It's crazy how many adults complain about participation trophies when too many treat being a parent like an entitlement. Those laws being passed are absolutely a step in the right direction, though.
I guess historically, parents could openly produce and use children for their own gain (in European society, at least), and there is still a lot of residue of that around! 😬
People complaining about participation trophies can't stand the thought of kids having healthy self esteem.
15% of the kid's income is practically nothing.
💯, I think it should work on a sliding scale, so that the more the child earns the more is set aside in a trust.
They should be getting well over half their total income. I get that some of these parents might have made it their full time job, but a child should not be supporting the family financially. And to be an agent/manager for a minor should require a license. The agent/manager should be liable for any harm that comes to the child, and should be there to advocate for the child's safety and needs. When a child is working in entertainment, they need multiple saftynets of protection and guardianship not just a parent. Someone with power needs to be there to step in and enforce rules and supervise in all situations with people on set. No getting a child alone so they can be abused.
@@Hi_Im_Akward There's not a single reason I can think of for why they shouldn't get minimally 50% of the money they make set aside. MINIMALLY. They're literally the one doing the work, and that still leaves 50% for all the adults to fight over on the basis of managing and expenses and whatnot.
If parents have to devote their lives to being with their children on set, they should be given a separate paycheck as a child minder or supervisor of minors on set or something. Coogan's law should require a high percentage of the money to be set aside for the kid, and it should include reality stars as well as anything online like utube or tic toc.
Right. They should get at LEAST half. If that child has to sacrifice their childhood bc their parents forced them to, that child should see the benefits, not the parents
All children deserve better. No exceptions.
Even black ones?
@@PanzarInthelake wtf kind of question is that?!
Time to unleashed the musket
The treatment a society regards children with is a sure sign of how advanced it is.
What a lot of people have really not mentioned is how brave Drake Bell was to come out and share his story. I’m an abuse survivor myself and while I didn’t grow up with Nickelodean shows because I was a Disney girlie, I can’t even begin to imagine how much strength he might’ve needed to come out and share his heartbreaking story. I hope he’s able to find healing and can move on from all the trauma.
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004did you watch the documentary and/or look into both cases? Just curious because they’re hugely different in the level of crime that occurred and Drake Bell also addresses it in the Doc. I’m not a Drake Stan but I do believe facts, perspective, and nuance are verrrry important
@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 yikes lol so many assumptions and strong feelings. I will get out of your way and allow you to blow up in these comments as you would like. Obviously a nuance opinion is not something you’re capable of 😂
Yeah but he is a pedophile himself. And the documentary didn't hold him to account because they wouldn't have afilm without his story. Ironically Schneider was very supportive of bell when his accuser was trying to ruin bells reputation.
What also upset me is that child actors like Macaulay Culkin Gary Coleman and Lindsay Lohans parents financially exploited them like it's not the childrens job to financially support the family it's your job as the parents
One of my childhood friends was at the same audition as Amanda Bynes and a bunch of other children for a Nickelodeon casting call. She and most of the others were rejected because they couldn't imitate the sound of a fire engine on alarm. Knowing she was so close to what was likely going to turn into a hellacious situation has lived rent-free in my head for far longer than I care to admit for
I'm getting this nagging feeling that Hollywood would try to band-aid this issue by replacing child actors with CG child characters mocapped by adult actors, creating an uncanny valley like Bella and Edward's child in Breaking Dawn Part 2 and further abuse towards VFX workers.
At least they’re adults though. Better than what’s happening now.
A friend of mine got to know Corey Haim when Corey was trying to get sober. I met him a few times, and he was really nice and sincere, but you could tell that he was struggling. I was really sad when he passed, because he was a nice guy who was messed up by the abuse he suffered.
I hate how many people were surprised about this stuff. I've know since I was young kid actors are forced to do some screwed up stuff but people just ignore it because "fun TV". Nobody wants to learn how sausage is made and then always act surprised when it's pig a uses.
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I thought everyone knew Dan S was a creep long ago. I knew long before Jennette McCurdy's book which was already years before Quite on Set
One name: Alanis Morissette
I think you're missing the point; a whole ass generation more prominent than ever practically finding out "My Life Is A Lie" because Holy Sh*t This Is Messed Up! Yes, it's bad when some things prior were found out BUT not as widespread.. now because of the "Internet of things", it goes MUCH DEEPER how detailed the darkness behind the scene's truly have gone.
Hey the book "Less than zero" talked about that life tangentially too. People only believe what they want to see.
I was a huge Different Strokes fan when I was a kid, and I couldn’t believe what happened with Dana Plato, and later, Gary Coleman. It was absolutely shocking.
During the filming of Metropolis (1927), director Fritz Lang needed a bunch of child extras for a scene in a flooded power station. He got actual Berlin street children to work in freezing, waist deep water for a full day on an unheated set in the middle of October, and then decided they didn't look wet and miserable enough and turned fire hoses on them. After shooting they were given a towel and a small meal of soup and a sandwich and were sent back to live on the streets. I am unclear on if they were paid for the day beyond getting a meal.
But at least he made Metropolis, not ICarly, and we're talking about years when those children would be treated the same in a factory.
Also, he wasn't the only one: do you know how De Sica managed to have the child in Bicycle Thieves cry?
But in the context of masterpieces, we tend to give people more of a pass.
@@siracastori01Do you really think defending this was appropriate?
@@hmnhntr I was half joking in on order to shit on Schneider and his 'art', but things have to be contextualised in the times and culture they happened nonetheless.
The more I learn about reality, the less I like it.
Each year I have a birthday I say the same
At least you can admit that. If more people would face reality instead of deny it we wouldn't have half the problems we do.
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Child actor rules still seem to favour the filmmakers (corporations).
6 hours to be working, for a child? That is a long day for a kid!!
If they are under 16, it should be no longer than 4 hours, with 15 minute breaks for each hour on set. Food (nutritionally perfect) be provided.
After 16, then it can be increased to the 6 hours.
Kids should still be allowed to be kids - have fun and learn to play and interact naturally.
But you can get a full time job at 16. I worked limited hours at 16 because I was technically in college, but after I took my A-levels I could do normal shooting hours, and I was still 17.
Considering that college is not mandatory and you can work full time in construction after Year 11, why not film?
My grandfather's first job was hauling bricks at 13. So spare me the tears.
@@whs-waterfox7034 So youre really saying that child labour (exploitation) is acceptable????
You know who wasn’t a creep ass on Nickelodeon? The guy who did Pete and Pete. All of his intentions were great like wanting to expose kids to different music. Look it up it’s pure and heart warming
It would kill me if anything bad came out about that show. It’s one of my favorites of all time.
Or Scott Fellows. Scott is the creator of shows such as "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" and "100 Things to do Before High School." Both of these shows are extremely good and help kids in middle school navigate what is no doubt the most awkward and difficult time of their lives.
Pete and Pete is in a special place in my heart. If I heard of abuse on that show it would break my heart into a million pieces and not even a steel plate could repair it
This is what I try to explain every time people ask me why I don’t allow my kids images online without a sticker on their faces. My kids are not old enough to understand the repercussions of their entire lives being documented, and therefore they cannot give consent.
It wasn’t really a thing 10 years ago when my oldest was born for people to be hesitant to share their kids faces, but it felt icky to me, so we never have. I’ve seen more and more people go this route as my kids have gotten older, though.
As a former kid who's mother DID post their face online, thank you.
I'm still mad at my mom for posting my childhood photos without my permission. I know she didn't have ill intent and only wanted to share them with our family, which would be fine, but her account isn't private so anyone can see them.
You’re a good parent. I remember being angry at my mom for not letting me post myself online when I was young, but now I see how right she was. When you post something on the internet, thousands of people are gonna see it, so you’re essentially trusting thousands of strangers with photos of your child. I’m surprised more parents aren’t against it.
THANK YOU! I've had some heated discussions over the years with my friends because I said I didn't agree with their posting pictures of their kids on social media, and wouldn't EVER comment on them. WAY back in college in the 90s, I remember a very heated argument with some friends over a well-known artist's recently released book of photographs of her children. I was really repulsed by it, and "all the artists" and "all the feminists" in the room dogpiled on me with the accusation I was sexualizing children. NO. as an artist (albeit a writer) and as a feminist (albeit NOTHING), the problem with it that I had was that the kids were STILL too young to consent. They were all under 18 at the time of publication. I was REFUSING TO COMMODIFY them. Yes, as a feminist I'm ADAMANTLY in favor of their mother working and making her art, but KIDS AREN'T PAINT. They aren't clouds. I would have -- and do feel -- precisely the same way whether it's a mother or a father posting pictures of kids online, whether the KIDS are male, female, or non-binary.
Our society is supposed to prevent children from being able to make permanent judgements and mistakes that can foreseeably have lifelong adult consequences. Well, the consequences of a visible nationally accessible presence are pretty big. And yet my friends back then, a crowd of mostly liberal, very empathetic, very kind and thinking people, had an ENORMOUS blind spot where this was concerned. It bothered me then, and it bothers me that SO MANY parents still just shrug this off.
Im so glad people are progressing.
I was raised without any concepts about consent even existing.
I did post pics of my kids online occasionally.
Ive since closed down my facebook & would NEVER do that again.
I feel soooo awful that it never once occurred to me.
Im delighted by society progressing to truly care about things that old people never knew about.
TY all.❤
Thank you ❤ this really should be the norm.
And some of these parents were either failed artists or didn't achieve their dream of becoming actors, so when they had children of their own, they forced their children to work in the entertainment industry to live precariously through their children. One of the saddest cases is Judith Barsi, the actress who voiced Little Foot in the movie "Land Before Time" who was killed by her own father and her mother was also killed.
Fun fact: Drake Bell is now currently living in Mexico and he appeared on some Mexican shows, has given concerts and he was on an interview with Yordi Rosado on his RUclips channel.
Actually Barsi voiced Ducky, RIP.😥
As a parent of a child actor, I'm *intensely* aware of all this stuff. It's not like my kid is super famous (a small part in a TV show, a couple independent films, and working alongside me in an occasional gaming stream does not a Hollywood starlet make) but both her mother and I want to be *certain* that she grows up having a relatively normal childhood, that these things she does are done because they're positive experiences for her and not as a source of income for us.
Same as if she goes in to sports. I'm not going to be that parent yelling at the coaches and the referees and everyone else and constantly pushing her to improve or to do more. These things are for *her*, not for me, and if she decides that it isn't something she wants to do, then she doesn't do it. We get the same casting calls as anyone else in our little corner of the industry, we always check with her and explain what the role would be and what she would have to do to audition, how much time it would take, what she would be required to do, etc... and quite often she just says, "No, I don't want to," and that's the end of it. I'm not looking to make a superstar out of my kid, I'm looking to support her in pursuing what she would like to pursue, whatever that means for her.
If only more "Hollywood" parents thought that way.
@@eshbena Honestly, given the money involved, I can see how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking of the child as a meal ticket -- but also, being her on-set guardian was a lot of *our* time, and work (you don't know parenting nerves until you've tried to calm a child with a film crew watching you, a crew that's losing valuable time and money waiting for the child to calm down). Some of the other kids had travelled, which meant their parents had to take time off from their jobs to support them. I'm not trying to absolve the 'stage parents' of their guilt, just saying that I kind of understand where that can come from.
And there are definitely some parents out there trying to live their own failed dreams through their kids, and that's a whole other level of messed up, right up there with those parents who use their kids as their own road to stardom.
The flip side of it is that the audience kind of encourages the bad behaviour by rewarding it, too. But that's an issue for all kinds of bad behaviours, not just those involving child exploitation.
It’s interesting you also mentioned kids sport. My daughter was highly successful at a minority sport (roller figure skating). At one point she decided to drop one of the disciplines she had been training in, but I was cool with that because it was for her to decide what she wanted to do. However I saw so many other parents forcing their kids to continue because they got status based on their kid’s performance, even though no money or real fame was at stake. I hate to think what happens in sports where there is prize money or wide fame to be won.
This is the same attitude that Billie Eilish and Finneas's parents have always had. It shows.
I even saw it in the documentary they did. There was this one moment where their mom hammered home the reality of the trajectory she was facing and told her that if she wanted to quit, they'd quit and that would be that. And she could find something else creative to do. But if she wanted to go for it, she'd be there with her the whole way, no matter what.
That's real parenting. No wool over the eyes, no pushing, just a serving of reality, autonomy and unconditional support.❤
For this to be solved, people have to view kids as human beings with rights first.
I find that incredibly unlikely given how school shootings tend to be "handled" (if you can call it that) in the US. It's always "protect the kids" until it involves addressing their number #1 cause of death
Leeja talking about her first crush and then blushing a bit, is just adorable
Absolutely. It's even cuter when she had her English Bulldog on camera with her.
I'm only like a year older than you Leeja and I was also a Nick kid. Unfortunately, my childhood was very unsafe and full of abuse, and The Amanda Show and All That were part of my escape. I remember seeing these kids and thinking "They look like they're having so much fun!" and dreamed about running away from my home situation to compete on Legends of the Hidden Temple (as if I could just walk from NY to LA and they would just let me in, lol). I got into acting in high school and I've been a working actor on and off for most of my adult life (shoutouts to One Tree Hill for paying my rent on multiple occasions) and at this point I'm actually not at all surprised by this, just very, very sad. Being in the industry I've heard stories like this so many times, and I do recall hearing the stuff about Schneider and thinking "yeah... the foot thing was definitely off" like a while ago. I'm of a mind that, with the way the industry works, and with the way this country is run, there really is no safe way for child actors to thrive. I understand how strange it is and immersion breaking it is to just cut kids out of storytelling as much as possible, but my entertainment is never worth it if it means children are being abused and exploited. I don't know that there's a clear cut solution, but whenever kids can be replaced, I think they should. I think when children are involved, the NDAs go out the window and we should have the transparency in those productions to ensure the kids are okay. Some productions opt to credit child actors with pseudonyms and keep them out of the spotlight, and I think that's good practice too.
I'm definitely starting to lean more towards explicitly younger children characters only being in media in animation, and having them be voiced by adult actors that can sound like kids. For live action, it may be better to go back to that often joked about trope of having teen characters being played by young-ish looking actors in their 20s.
@@mattboy5296 fully agree. Most of the work I do now is voiceover work, and there are plenty of incredibly talented voice actors who can portray child characters with stunning realism (a VA friend of mine can imitate a baby so accurately it genuinely creeps me out). Especially in the field of animation, there is no reason at all to be using actual child actors. I don't know if you're familiar with the case of Judith Barsi, but it's one of the first instances of child star abuse that I recall learning when I was younger and it still haunts me to this very day. That girl should have grown up happy and healthy, far FAR away from the entertainment industry (and far away from her parents but that is besides the point, her acting career was a big factor in what happened to her).
I like the idea of NDAs being invalidated if kids are involved. Make whistleblower protections _extremely_ strong for anyone reporting abuse, etc.
@@jgray2718As an actor I understand the importance of an NDA from the studio's perspective, but protecting your IP or project info from leaking is so insignificant compared to child safety that I really think we need to push for that
I think we'd lose a lot of humanity if we weren't allowed to depict children in stories. At the same time, this outrageous behavior from Hollywood and other studios across the US and the world is something we cannot allow to continue in any form.
the only way to get the studio to care about protecting child actors is to threaten their profit if something happens. And then there has to be someone on the set that is designated to report that, breathing down the necks of the cast and crew. Fixing this would also have to segue into labor regulations around entertainment and art to improve conditions, benefits, and protections for everyone involved, especially concerning privacy and boundaries. I do also think limiting the roles that children can play in would be a positive development, like no reality TV or lead roles until a certain age.
I agree. There are many stories that have children as their protagonist, so there must be a system that protects them so that they can feel safe on set while giving it their all.
I’m sorry but I live in reality. People aren’t boycotting their shows and movies. If they would they’d have done so, because this isn’t new behavior from show business. And Congress, state or federal, won’t pass laws restricting the revenue stream of capital owners. As for your hyperbolic statement of losing a lot of humanity, how much humanity do we have when parents are willfully ignoring and sometimes excusing a system setup to exploit and sexually abuse children all because they’re counting on a child as young as infants to pay their bills? Many of the stories contained in the miniseries involved parents allowing certain behavior because of the money being made or the prospect of bigger checks in the future, parents not going to the authorities which allowed predators to prey on more victims, and in the case of Drake Bell an absent mother not caring enough to be present despite his father warning her about the man that would eventually commit heinous acts to her child. The adults to be blamed aren’t just those producing the content.
I think introducing a "one movie/season of a show per child" rule would be necessary as well. And a maximum amount of time a child is allowed to be on set during production (dependent on their age) (with additional limits being placed on how much time they can be on set on a daily and weekly basis as well) regardless of movie or season length. This way a child won't get stuck in endless takes... if you want to work with children, you will have to accept imperfection from them. Even if we put in place a ton of regulations about how children are treated on set, those regulations wouldn't be perfect and minimizing the time any individual child spends on set would minimize the chances of them being abused and prevent parents from making them "stage kids". Even if something does manage to go wrong, then at least it is an experience they will only have to go through once. Children in sitcoms already age unusually fast so replacing the child actor for each season of a show wouldn't be too hard to work around anyway.
But perhaps more importantly, any money that is made off of the movie/show needs to go into a bank account that the parents can't ever access and that the child gets access to only upon turning 18. This would remove any financial incentives and make it more likely that only kids who actually want to be on TV will end up auditioning.
@maxixe3143 I like the idea about having the child actor change each season, but then there's the burden of having the child change appearance over each season. Think of a show like "Malcolm in the Middle" or "The Adventures of Pete and Pete". I bet the character’s delivery will be very different across each season if that was applied.
I also really like that bank account idea. That way, after the kid is done with showbiz, he can go to college and get ready for his adult life.
Use animation to depict kids then
Film technology is at a point that actors who werent even on set can be front and center
I've read Jennette McCurdy's memoir and it was one of the most cathartic memoirs that I've ever read. The abuse she had to put up with from her mother to Dan Schneider as she too got the brunt of his abuse. She mentions that Schneider forced her to drink alcohol when she was still underage and how Nickelodeon tried to give Jennette McCurdy $300,000 to not talk about the network or Schneider and she refused the money. I grew up watching iCarly and while I enjoyed watching the show, I look at it more poignantly now then I did then. I did watch some episodes of the iCarly revival which was not bad as I thought it would be, the original cast was very understanding about McCurdy not wanting to appear in the revival.
I hope Jennette McCurdy will be able to heal from the horrors she endured. Just like Leeja; I grew up watching Nickelodeon during its prime in the 1990's and 2000's, so I enjoyed watching shows such as "Drake and Josh," "Zoey 101," "iCarly," "Unfabulous," "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide," "Just Jordan," "True Jackson VP," and so much more. I always enjoyed watching "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" because Lindsey Shaw (Moze) was so gorgeous. To me; Lindsey Shaw was an American Kate Winslet. When I watched "Unfabulous" I had no idea that Emma Roberts was the niece of Julia Roberts.
the John Wayne Gacy thing was insane, made more insane by how CHILL the guy was when he was describing the experience. "yeah, the house seemed kinda off but that's just because of the terrifying painting of a clown painted by an actual serial killer" like it was just kinda something that happened.
It’s not just that, they were penpals! That’s actual unhinged behavior, and it’s so crazy the adults there just brushed it off 😭
@@beanpasteposts I could not process literally any of that information. It’s insane.
I think there is also something strong to say how reaction channels also use this abuse and abuse rumors as entertainment. Constantly alledging who was and wasn't abuse under the guise of concern leaving the actors/actresses comment sections flooded with questions about whether they were sexually abused or demanding they speak out. I see so many people reguritate rumors that were we know aren't true, Jamie Lynn's baby daddy is publicly known yet people want to believe her child was actually conceived by rape by her employer. Or they believe the twitter that impersonated Amanda Bynes.
I saw this too in the Ruby Frankie case. A lot of the therapist RUclipsrs did not use children names and blurred their faces, but many other reactors are blasting the kids names and faces. Poor kids already went through enough. We all need to think more ethically with what we share and capitalize on the internet especially when it involves children.
With regards to Jamie Lynn Spears; people need to drop the rumor of Dan Schneider being the father of her eldest daughter Maddie. Besides; Maddie doesn't deserve to have this cloud of suspicion looming over her head because she is in high school now and deserves to enjoy all the fun things high school students get to do. From what I have been able to tell through Jamie Lynn's posts on her Instagram; Maddie seems like she has a good head on her shoulders because she's a star on her softball team and has maintained a 4.0 GPA.
“Yeah, the producer groped my daughter and I just thought it was…weird, you know?”
I know that there are parents who were after money. I know that there are parents who didn’t know how sets worked. But some of them were just flat out dumb when it came to not recognizing what was around their kids
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"You shouldn't love your children unconditionally."
I nearly fell out of my chair hearing that. What kind of monster would think that?
Ted Bundy's mother? That's the only thing I can fathom.
That person is not " fit" to be a parent. Unconditional love is a child's greatest need .
I grew up with a child actor in my local school named Trent Lehman… He was on Nanny and the Professor. He committed suicide at the age of 20. He was so damaged by the entertainment industry.
That's so incredibly sad.
Ah! Oh my God!
So, so sorry.
Please talk about how laws in the west really treat kids like property instead of people and give some more context to how recent the changes in child abuse laws have been.
It's sad that it's actually noteworthy when a former child star celebrates their 30th birthday. It's like when one of us turns 100.
HELL YEAH!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COVERING THIS!!!
CPS didnt get involved until all three kids told a psychologist we were afraid of them. I was a sophomore in HS at that point. Prior to that, no one ever believed me. That was the 80s and 90s though. Laws protecting children are pretty shit in my experience, even outside child exploitation.
Check out the story of Jackie cooper, he’s a former child actor back in the 1930s. To make him cry in a very pivotal scene in the champ, they took his dog off set and all he heard was someone shooting a rifle. This led to him completely breaking down. They walk his dog back in the studio and he was so inconsolable for hours after this (holding on to his dog weeping) that they called a doctor to give him tranquilizers to calm him down. HOW. FREAKING. CRUEL. Oh and they hated Judy garland for the role of Dorothy and reminded her constantly that they only wanted her voice and not her face or body. Shirley temple had to dance with a broken foot. Great video by the way…I’m glad we are removing some of the mystique behind this industry
Should kids be entertainment? In a word no. Sports, pageants, acting. Name it, if kids were involved, they were not treated well. Parents, coaches, teachers, doctors, ministers have all had a hand in the abuse, both physical and mental. I don't have an answer, but, stop making kids the center!
Agreed. Theres just as much of this, if not more, going on in schools, athletics, arts… we just don’t recognize the faces of the victims or perpetrators like we do in Hollywood.
@@Lau3464l Coach Sandusky at Penn state
@@Lau3464l Jared Folgers
Pardon but that would mean for let's say circus roncallli (switzerland and it's really just a travelling family circus) the definitive end, but the children love it.
I was good in skiing, more as just but i decided for my friends instead of a career, well it was up to me and i know that this often not the case, but hey blame the parents for it not the business.
Cough, don't you think that even this documentary abuses the children a second time?
If they was abused at all in which sense ever, accusations are no evidences.
The same parents who abuse their children a second time because they ran out of money?
Heck why not?!
It all pisses me off!
*Ist doch alles bloss Mache und Show und Abzockerei auf dem Buckel der Kinder diesmal einfach mit der Tränendrüsendrück-Masche*
But a general "no" isn't a good idea i guess.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper*Jared was an actor for Subway. Technically, I don't know where they filmed, but I would still count it as "Hollywood" in spirit.
Everyone is acting like this is news; "You Oughta Know" was written about Dave Coulier's (Uncle Joey on Full House) sexual relationship with Alanis Morissette when she was 15 and a part of rhe cast of "You Cant Do That On Television"
I didn't know that!
I have heard of that song since it came out back in the '90s, but I've never been much of a fan of Morissette. Thus I had no idea until typing this about this dark side of Coulier, whom I know best as the voice of Peter Venkman in The Real Ghostbusters cartoon series. You always learn something new, whether you seek to or not.
@@CCRoxtarI loved " You can't do that on television" 😂
This is such an important issue that shows how the geriatric politicians we have are constantly behind the necessary legislation that is actively needed in our society. The evils of social media are not truly understood by parents as a CSA advocate, the simplest clean image can be used in vulgar ways and that’s is terrifying as a parent.
Jackie Coogan went on to play Uncle Fester in the 1960s Addam's Family tv show. Freakin' Legend.
At 15:45 there's a point about emotional attachment of parents to children in eras of high childhood mortality. Although it's commonly stated that parents weren't emotionally attached, it turns out not to be the case. Parents did become attached to children even though they knew the risk of loss was high. It's a harrowing thought that parents could---and did---birth and bury a dozen or more children and feel the loss of each one.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the kids from Different Strokes. They all had horrible lives as kids and as young adults, and only Todd Bridges is still alive.
Bill Cosby was a hard one for this Gen X'er. I mean, the Cosby Show, Jell-o pudding pops, stealing baby buggy wheels to make coaster cars. And then, well, he's convicted as a serial rapist. That was really disappointing. I mean, c'mon, man - seriously?
Same. I used to quote the "man" and now it's just full stop.
That hit a lot of us hard because he felt like America's dad 😔
There is a clip from COSBY show where he talks about using “Spanish fly” in his wife’s drink to “get her in the mood”. I saw the clip on RUclips. OOF. That did not age well.
I agree with CoryFeldman's stark recommendation, AND with Leeja's preference to not want to spend much time around children.
Family vloggers is the new but not-so-new (it's been going on for years) trend that's infuriating because it's the family that's being abusive, not some big corporation that's easy to get mad at.
I guess it's hard for me to imagine the hard core journalists/activist who spoke so eloquently and powerfully about the criminalization of poverty and homelessness as tween in puppy love watching Nickelodeon. 1990 I was 30 my only exposure to Nickelodeon was hanging out with the daughter of women I was dating .
One of the many sad things about the documentary is that there is a very slim chance that Drake Bell is Peck's only victim.
Guaranteed he’s not the first or the last
7:41 on a lighter note than most of this- I feel SO SEEN because I used to do the exact same thing! (With dougie poynter from British band McFly specifically) but drake bell was absolutely one of my first girlhood crushes, so a lot was resonating for me specifically when you were talking about this!❤
Yes this is what is needed for a mid-week pick-me-up. Leeja is the fucking best
It definitely doesn’t make sense to me to just remove kids from all forms of media. It would be extremely weird to be watching a TV show and not see a single child anywhere. Agreed that the protections just need to be turned WAY up
I was shocked when I saw Shirley Temple dressed provocatively and impersonating Mae West.
I grew up watching Nickelodeon and while the documentary is heartbreaking it really wasn't surprising. Amanda Bynes herself came out and stated something wasn't right with the executives of those shows and nobody listened. While I have some good memories of watching the shows, growing up had given me the sad reality that not all adults are good people.
I think the flaw is with show business itself and that if we want things to change we need to hold directors, producers, and anybody who isn't in front of the camera to a higher standard. We already do that to those in front of the camera.
And no one listened to her
@@KjoJean hence I said “nobody listened”
also want to mention honeyboo in this conversation. her mom has burned thru all her money ( and her siblings) and they are just not getting some back with their own show. shes been on TV since 7 y’all that’s insane!
just now***
also I didn’t know that parent have to make a “coogan account” for kids under 18 I think and they have to put 15% of that earned money into that account. I think it should be 60% honestly
@@PrincessDiana254have you kept up with the Duggar family at all of the 18 kids and counting TLC show? The contracts said the dad got all the money and then he paid his ADULT children. Jim Bob had his daughter sign a contract on the morning of her wedding day so ofcourse she didn’t read it and it gave TLC the right to film her giving birth etc and the father got all of the income. It’s INSANE!!!
@@kalasue7I read her book. Shocking, and then he had the gal to say she owed him for bringing her up (food, housing, etc).
@@PrincessDiana254that’s only a law in California unfortunately.
This for Millenials is the same way GenX felt about Cosby.
Came to the comments to say exactly that. Thank you.
It's crazy how many parents put their kids online for content.
I love getting photos from friends of their kids doing stupid things but putting that online, should never be a thing.
If I have kids, I'd leave them out of my social media accounts as much as possible. There's no reason why I should put them in harms way or use them for clout.
I love how Leeja imitates Mindy from Animaniacs when ending each video 😂 so damn adorable ❤
“Why?”
Because dhgfbb bcdfg.
“Why?
Because sff jkj tdghhn fddg.
“Why?”
ADD GDF F HVV V BD!!!!
“Okay, see you later, buh-bye” ❤❤❤❤
I'm the same age as you and also grew up watching all of those same shows. And it had a big impact on me as well. I managed to watch two episodes of that documentary before I said enough is enough. I literally could not stomach to hear any more atrocities having taken place. I just can't push myself to continue watching it. Great episode Leeja!!!
Parents should be forced to pay their children for their services $$$$$$
I'm guessing you don't have kids and know what a crazy amount of money it takes to raise one. IIRC the average kid takes about a quarter of a million dollars to raise. It is not unreasonable for parents to take a portion of a child's earnings, as long as the majority gets put away for the child. And keep in mind that very few child actors/talent are making millions of dollars. Most will just be making enough to get by and maybe sock away a little.
I agree. I did musical theater as a child. It was never a question of me making money to support the family, my mom worked on Saturday mornings, or other weird times to help pay the mortgage. I have a nice savings because my mom put it in a high yield savings account.
I've seen kids where parents need their child to make money. At best I made about $800 a week for a national tour. Higher than average because it was understood a parent needed to basically not work for 7 months. Some parents seemed normal, others were stage parents because if their kids weren't on at all times they would be blacklisted and not work again. The kids had to work to pay the bills, hence the abuse.
One of the contract rules was you couldn't grow three inches or gain a certain amount of weight. There were kids not allowed to order chicken fingers because their parents didn't want them to grow. These were like normal parents too, not parents you would think are abusive just they needed their kid to stay the same to pay bills.
@@LividImpthen they can keep an accounting
@@auggiedoggiesmommy1734 They absolutely should. I believe they have to by law (at least here in California).
I have a baby. I don't follow any family vlogs or kid channels. Any parents I watch don't have content that focuses on their kids at all. I have never and will never post media of them on the internet.
I still view child acting as child labor. And yes that includes voice acting in my opinion. I still hope things can improve in the industry for them. It’s very hard seeing RUclips kid stars being used to make money and same goes here in shows and movies
Gross… freaking gross. Felt bad for Amanda with all the schadenfreude towards her. Suspected there was more to all this. I’ll check out this documentary this week. Thanks L.
I think having child characters can be really important for telling certain stories, but that’s where books and graphic novels and animated films with adult voice actors are great.
You mentioned Michael Jackson and he was also a product of the same type of childhood. Just in the music industry.
He was also not an abuser or criminal. His choices were not the best ones, and they looked bad, yes, but he is the rare- very rare- example of an adult who enjoyed spending time with kids but never abused them. He protected them from abuse, despite what we've all been lead to believe.
True
I never understood why entertainment (or agriculture) gets special exemption for child labor laws - why not sweatshops or mines while we're at it?
Thank you for bringing awareness to this important matter
Honestly a very difficult question to answer. I honestly can't lean anyone way on this cause its such a case by case basis. Let the parents decide doesn't feel Right nor does (fully) leaving it up to the kid. Maybe laws in place to make it safer? But even then there's no guarantee it will be enforced properly.
Leeja thank you for all the amazing content you make! Making us Minnesotans proud!
I've been waiting for this video!!
One thing I always wonder about this, though not on topic, is how so many people can agree that keeping food and water restricted from kids is abuse, but not apply that same opinion to "ABA Therapy" for autistic kids in which food is restricted, or cases of parents who harm or kill their disabled kids.
Like...bring that same energy, y'all!
it’s because they don’t see disabled kids as living breathing human beings with feelings and emotions, they’re below even pets and domestic animals to them. ABA needs to be illegal, the parallels between it tuberculosis sanitariums for indigenous people and residential schools as a mixed indigenous person are too strong for comfort.
@@S3lkie-Gutz Oh 100%! I agree. I guess it's more so, I ask "why" in the sense of "WHY can't they see disabled kids as human!?!?" out of fury, more than the "Reason" which is just ableism in a can.
But yeah, you have it spot on!
I would be interested to know more about ABA withholding food from.choldren, what are your sources?
I know people dunk on the fake baby in the Twilight movies but uh... maybe that was the most ethical thing Hollywood ever did regarding a child character?
16:13 THANK YOU for recognizing that judges frequently make up laws without the legal authority to do so, instead of letting the legislative branch handle that task.
It is sickening how much of this stuff has been public for a long time, but only now has actually been compiled by people who have the reach and influence to get it heard by a broader audience. The fact is that our societies claimed morals have never actually been held by the people with power, influence, and wealth. It is despicable, and yet we are powerless to actually change things, as is being displayed by the current international political landscape.
Jessica Ladd's information escrow does this. There is a Ted talk for it.
My great Uncle was Bobby Driscoll (Peter Pan) one of the first Disney Child stars...
Our family is still dealing with the ramifications hereditarily. He fell into and succumbed to his addictions. The majority of the family members who came after him have done the same.
fucking generational trauma, istg
I'm one of those millennials who grew up without cable most of my life so I never really grew up on Nick. Even when we did get cable, I still stuck to watching animated shows and teen dramas on channels like WB. Seeing this though, I'm glad I didn't unknowingly support such exploitation with my attention.
It’s so hard sometimes to parse what aligns with my values when it comes to online child content. I don’t actively follow family influencers, but if I get served a cute or funny video including a child it makes me want to protect them more. I think you’re right. Regulation is needed, and fast.
I don't particularly like kids either. But they're people and deserve peace and respect. I will always advocate for kids safety and wellbeing.
People like Colleen Ballinger STILL have a fucking channel despite ADMITTING to being inappropriate with kids on many different levels.
Also side note: who is watching family content?!? Only creeps I'm guessing.
To answer your question, sadly, children. 😔
I took care of a lady in her 90s wasn't a child star but she told me how as a kid the doctor prescribed cigarettes to help with her diabetes. She says she remembered his stained fingers as he smoked in his office and having to smoke a cigarette after her birthday cake doctor's orders
Abuses in the entertainment industry far exceeds abuses elsewhere. I say this mostly because so much of the child's life is public. I'm sure they get almost as much hate mail as adult entertainers. They are people who have never met them and hate just to hate.
24:55 "I deeply believe in protecting children, I just don't want to hang out with them." Sounds much like me. My lifestyle is very much adult-oriented. I stay as far away from children as possible, partly for their safety, but even more for my own.
Quiet On Set ruined my childhood. Now, I feel like that part of my life doesn’t even exist anymore. It’s sad.
I love Leeja Miller's channel, you've teach me a lot about government, law, and social ethics, I've considered you my teacher , keep educating us.
A very good video essay on this but you forgot about the Olsen twins and what happened on Full House.
here from your depp v heard video to say you are right, comments are turned off but know that people see your reason
Gelsey Kirkland's first autobiography claims that George Balanchine brought friends to her performances who would see her and other ballerinas dress for their performances. They dancers were young.
Kirkland also discussed her life problems, which were considerable, which were either caused or triggered by her training and career. Her autobiography was entitled, "Dancing on my Grave."
The censorship in this video is ridiculous.
I watched those Nickelodeon shows with my older, Millennial kids, and they in turn shared them with their younger Gen. Z siblings.
I remember different strokes. Where none of those child stars didn't get anything for their work. It was really sad.
That said I do think it is interesting that children can act and I also like the honesty of children and their abilities on RUclips channels.
Leeja this is a great video I am just speechless and still processing all of this! We live in a world that will use, destroy, and exploit anyone and everything in existence for the sake of a dollar. I’m shocked but not surprised. My heart breaks for all of our innocent children! 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Why are people surprised? Joji even warned us as Filthy Frank.
The one that shocked me recently was Wil Wheaton. I had, for years, read interviews (or snippets of them) where he talks about how the other Star Trek actors had in some ways protected and shielded him from the destructive path most child stars end up going down. It had never clicked for me therefore that he was being forced into acting by his parents who were abusing him, until a recent tell all was put out. It makes sense to me now that he left acting for the most part after Star Trek, and sought a new path for himself.
To be honest, I personally think Shirley Temple Black had the most successful comeback of a child star. She was US Ambassador to Czechoslovakia and Ghana, and she was the first female Chief of Protocol of the United States. She was the exception to the rule in relation to the career trajectories of child actors, and honestly was probably very lucky that she didn’t get the contract with MGM. A blessing in disguise, if you will.
And her daughter Lori was the bassist for The Melvins!
She didn't have a comeback to show business. However, she did have a very successful life after show business. I am glad she was happy.
@@TheMagdalenaBB Good point! And I’m happy for anyone who can find fulfillment in life, whatever form that may take.
You make great videos. Obviously the subject matter isn't always happy but you, and whatever team you have working with you is solid.