That isnt F Murray Abraham, that is Naseeruddin Shah in one of the greatest films, "Sparsh" from where Pacino took inspiration for his role in Scent of a Woman and won an oscar.
ha ha ! It is Ranveer for Korbin .. for me it could be Salman or Akshay or Amitabh. Everyone has a soft spot. Bollywood is about that feel-good factor rather than pure art. The video reacted to in this OSR episode was so stupid in trying to inculcate histrionic sense in the industry. So dumb !
@@djsoh6041 usually I didn't find any great acting in Bollywood compared to other industry.I didnt found Salman as great maybe Aamir is better than him.Ranveer acting is average sometimes felt too hype.Amithab acting is good.I like Irfan,sushanth and Aishwarya also good.Also Rajkumar.
I feel so sad that you guys have been viewing Indian content for 2 years now and still haven't been introduced to Smita Patil. She was a great actress and contemporary of Om Puri, Naseeruddin Shah and Shabana Azmi. I would've loved you to jump in your seats after seeing her there on screen the same way you reacted looking at, say SRK or Big B or Ranveer. The problem that most of the people who recommend stuff to go with the popular choices more than great choices but alas I have hope you will get there soon. ✌🏽
Rick is always looking to contradict for the sake of contradiction... you guys have watched some Indian movies but the deep sense of understanding the nuances is beyond you. Jim Carey is believable as Fletcher Reede in Liar Liar as Any other “serious” actor in any other movie. The believability is not the character ... it’s the portrayal of the character. That’s the sign of a great actor and Jim Carey is definitely one!
That's Rick for you, always watch videos with preconceived mindset. As if looking for things to disagree. He will conveniently take the context without understanding the point of view. Korbin is much more open to it and we do understand why he disagrees with certain things in the video.
No, it was stupid. Salman is not in Bollywood because of his acting. He is there because he is Salman. I love him for that ! Don't try to be excessively pedantic about the *wood industries in India. They are there to sell stuff and they are doing a great job at it. You don't like it, then don't watch it. They appeal to the masses who generate the revenue and that is why all these stars are great.
@@djsoh6041 They are great because they appeal large audience and make money, in that sense baghi Franchise of Tiger Shroff is also great. I yes if I Don't like it I won't watch it but I have the right to put forward my opinion on how bad at times they are in acting in thier movies. Majority Audience likes Such films doesn't mean they are great Most of the people don't have the taste and knowledge of Art that's the reason they forget great actors like Naseeruddin Shah and Om Puri . But the ones who have knowledge of acting can never forget thier brilliance. Salman Khan is Popular Doesn't mean he is always great Some Tiktokers and Reelers are also popular doesn't mean they are skilled or great at anything
@@aniruddhamungekar8663 I didn't get what your point is, and if it is any different from what I already said. But I will say this, while you have the right to criticize anyone and everyone for whatever they are doing, it should have some sense to it. Tomorrow if I go out and start criticizing street actors on something that they don't mean to be doing, I will be called an idiot. Similarly, if you go out and start criticizing typical Indian, masala commercial movies on the acting and other technicalities, you will not only be wasting your time but you will also be called an idiot.
@@djsoh6041 Bro Even i didn't get your point . Read my previous comment carefully You will understand what my points are . You said Salman Khan is great In what . Stupid movies like baghi Earn 100 crores+ in Box office And some Chapri Tiktokers are also famous So by giving this 2 example i was trying to say even if you have Box office income and You are famous doesn't mean you are great at something. In last decade he has made some really horrible movies And has acted terribly in most of the movies That's the reason he gets criticism. Phir se explain kar diya Ab toh thik hai
You should explore the art movies of Smita Patil, Om Puri, Anupam Kher, and Naseeruddin Shah from the 80s. Those movies were referred to as art cinema/movies/film back then to differentiate from commercial cinema, and rightly so at the time, because the acting was nothing short of art and the movies did little to be commercially successful.
Exactly. I felt the same all through that stupid video. :D He was showing Salman and Varun and Kareena when he said "bad acting" or "garbage actors". It almost infuriated me because I watch Salman because he is Salman. I love him for that. I am not holding Salman on any acting scale when I watch Dabang for example. What a stupid video to make holding Bollywood to an art movie test. That video was all about anti-incumbency and anti-establishment. Very political.
@@clementine4412 Ok. :) I wasn't taking about your preferences. I was talking about Korbin getting on the defensive on seeing Ranveer being mentioned. My comment was that I was getting on the defensive all through the video just like Korbin.
Sometimes people wants to see filmy characters to be little more emotional or expressive than a normal person because that style will stay with them it becomes a signature of that ACTOR (eg: SHAHRUKH KHAN) Believability You need when it is a real life character driven movies if you act like that in a commercial film that will be called as flat acting. So we can't measure all units with same metrics.
Yeah but commercial films are also driven by real life characters, it's not like that they use aliens as their main protagonist. The difference is the depth in the characters and overall character development. Commercial films, more often than not, have very little depth to their characters and everything is clearly defined. This is a good person and this is a bad person. They think that audiences are dumb to get their characters' nuances. And before you say that it's a commercial film not a realistic film, I wanna say that commercial films also can have great characters and the best example of that is Marvel movies. These movies are as mainstream as you can get but still Iron Man was a character with a lot of depth and especially in the later Russo Brother movies and they showed that if you can develop a character well with all it's nuances, audiences are gonna love it. Ofcourse this all depends on bad writing which quite a lot of SRK's movies have. And even Anubhav Sinha once said that he can do so much more but ultimately all of the films he has done are HIS choices. He selected the bad written scripts. He can't do much with these "HERO" characters and his signature style only serves one purpose which is to make his fans happy instead of serving the story. And a good example is Ranbir in Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani. He never serves to his fans despite the film being very commercial and very melodramatic. You don't do it for the "PEOPLE" you do it for the audience. And it's okay if some actors wanna do it but that doesn't make them great actors. Simple as that.
Very well said. This video that they reacted to is simply useless for Indian setup. I go to the show to watch Ranveer and have a good time for 2-3 hours. And I am sure there are many many in India who are in the same boat. For me movies is not academics. Its entertainment. Period.
Thing is it's changing and doesn't have to remain same. Change is only constant. There was Dilip Kumar remember,he had these traits of realistic acting back then times changed stylized cinema was name of the game,so people who would do stylized dialogue delivery spurting a few lines became stars now times have again changed it looks as though realistic acting is in forefront with Netflix and prime being driving force of this change. This change can be seen two fold,that audience got tired of stylized cinema is one reason another is these platforms don't like star system,they want to create product instead which would be judged based on merit of its own not by which star works in it. Therefore you see these fan armies which were propped up by these stars being at war with this new enthusiastic new cinema armies over on twitter. It's good for indian cinema that we are finally getting away from star system but fear could be we may become Hollywood. I mean what kept apart hindi film industry away from Hollywood are these song and dance routines and over the top ness and starsystem.
Correct.and I don't agree if you don't try to believe the audience that you are angry , emotional by facial features then you are great because acting is that art where you can not stick to basic principles .it's about story,character what his limits, condition and what instructions he got and his own mindset.basically you connect with audience greatly and people like it you did your work and as an talented man everyone know what he does different than others and in any field.great in sportspersons experiment and discover new tricks
Aamir is definitely not a bad actor. Moreover from amongst the stars he is the only one who ‘can’ be in the clique of great actors like Om puri, Naseer, Kamal Hassan, Nawaz, Irrfan
Just stfu. He is the worst actor among the three khans. Too hollow just too hollow. Its his constant marketing as mister perfectionist that makes u think this.
i am writing this before watching i know this is gonna be a great video,i have been waiting for this video for 1 year, as a film student i am a huge fan of sir Vinit and his videos , and my most favourite duo from youtube is going to react on the video, this is overwhelming feeling for me, thank you rick and korbin for your wonderful reaction, hope you will do more on Cinema beyond entertainment.
Guys, I agree to your point about Jim Carrey. Mostly serious acting is referred to as great acting, but making people laugh is even tougher! Besides, I think it's people's choice which type of actors they prefer watching. I personally always choose comedy over drama because I like to laugh! So Jim Carrey is a great actor for me!
im sorry but this video was a little harsh on both srk and aamir. the style of their acting in 2000s was directly related to what indian audience demanded - streched and theatreical . people are dramatic here and they want to see the exact emotions on the screen. back then realistic actors were given a tag of 'artsy actors' while entertainers were given star tags . eg- in swades srk was freaking brilliant but it was a disaster on box office and his acting was really underappreciated . it became a cult after many years . however if you look after 2006-2007 thats where real acting was starting to showcase . just after that srk did chak de india with one of his best performances and was hugely appreciated and then my name is khan . there was much more grounded sense of performance by amir in talash and dhobhi ghaat . now recently the scale of films have took a turn. from being over the top and dramatic, they are now set up in small towns with relatable characters . but there is one important thing- . acting in india or especially in hindi cinema is based on the pitch of the film itself . varun dhawan will be over the top in humpty or badrinath but much more believable in badlapur or october . however both pitch works because humpty is entertaining and so is badlapur . but if a script is bad ( coolie no 1 for eg) the pitch looks cringey itself. i know many people will bash me here for saying this but nawaz was very much over the top in freaky ali . his comic timing was very off but i dont blame him , its the pitch the film is going for . film was bad though. on the other hand his little comic scenes in gow or badlapur are brilliant . . many times it also depends on the director too. i mean for gods sake if ram madhvani can make sonam kapoor act in neerja then , oh boy, anything can happen.
I belive some are rrally good actors and some who are average can even act good if a director is good who brings out good acting from average actors and Bajarangi Bhaijaan and Sultan are good examples. Salman kahn was good if not excellent in both the movies while in general he is just average or below par
@@abhishekpareek23 true! I'm not a big fan of Salman's acting and I'm not blind to not see that he can overact a lot, but he has some talent there if the director was able to make him do such a good job. So I'm never really hate on anyone if that person can do something that is amazing. Also my opinion changes with time, so I'm trying not to be so judging. I learnt that on Katrina Kaof and Varun Dhawan. I was hating Katrina quite a lot and I always taught Varun was average. But then I watched some of their newer work and they can be quite incredible. It depends on many circumstances. Also I know SRK have some mannerism that he uses sometimes too much. But he also can totally dissappear into character which some actors won't be able to do. Like Darr, my name is khan or fan. Also he works so hard with so many injuries he had in his life. Watching behind a scenes of some of his action movies really made me appreciate him more. Also Aamir tends to overact also, but I always loved him, cause at the time most of big, dramatic movies were mega popular at the time. And well, it's for sure hard for those actors suddenly learn that now they have to change their style of acting.
Many Malayalam actors could do both intense and over the top - Mohanlal, Mammootty, Thilakan, Nedumudi Venu, Murali, Bharat Gopi, Balan K Nair, Janardhanan, Devan.... So many. KPAC Lalitha, Urvashi, Revathi... This industry is blessed with maximum number of gifted actors... It's just amazing. Perhaps it comes from culture, our natya shastras... Kathakali, Mohiniyattam... Or even the stand-up comedy skits programs called "Mimic-Cry"...!!!!!!!
@@tantrik_indian1449 We new generation ain't always as you think sir :). Sathyan sir is much more for us who've watched Anubhavangal palichakal, Bheekara nimishangal,Oru penninte kadha etc.
@@kaustabhnaga3217 I think as he gets older eventually he will get there But he is not full oit if radar And also Morgan freeman and Idris Elba i think I would put on the list This two can may as well talking about cooking and will make it ound like Shakespearean 😂😂
I think it is from different group of people but the first person that comes to my mind when talking about voice is corpse husband, check out just his voice if not anything else
Although he does make pertinent points, but imo this video is a classic example of speaking a lot without saying much. Too verbose and too scatterbrained at times. He also is clearly prejudiced towards actors who are considered greats (and of course they are greats), but he picks on popular stars as though he's saying a star can't be a good actor. Some big stars have done some very good work, and some extremely mediocre work, depends on the merit of the film and the director at the helm. This video is a classic example of Confirmation Bias.
preach, exactly. i am well aware that some big stars "overacted" a lot in some of the movies. but, 90s stars especially usually were taught that. public loved it. kal ho naa ho, k3g, karan arjun, har dil jo pyar karega and much more were full of that kinda style. but it was the era and also directors. and everyone was into it. it doesn't mean that those actors can't do an incredible job when the script and movie requires it. i'm not trying to hate on anyone for thinking otherwise, cause everybody should be allowed to share their opinion, so i'm just sharing mine. i can clearly see the difference between like some big stars and some people who may be much better actors, but sometimes not so perfect performance can get you even more
I agree with this guy. 3:11 However in Hindi mainstream cinema doing more is considered as a right way of acting, 3:17 Good(Aamir) 3:22 Average(SRK) 3:23 Garbage(Varun)
Not agree anymore.. Shah rukh khan always be a great actor but he underrated.. His romantic image & popularity overshadow his Acting Skills.. & Aamir is definitely not a good actor.. he is average..
@@m_s916 Srk is not underrated in acting skills but personally he comes in my one fav of actors but if someone says he is good actor but not great ok . It doesn't mean you have to be great like others actors . First thing is to be good. Like korbin said when rick asked do you recommend srk to others as an actor he said he is a good actor but not great like Nawaz,Irrfan ,pankaj
lol exactly ... tum thelewaale ko jaake "method acting" shikhaneki koshish karoge to maar khaoge ... wo kahega, bhai ek achcha item song baja do ... mera kaam ho gaya ! :D
@@djsoh6041 well those people deserve entertainment too. They buy the ticket and watch what makes them happy. No one has the right to ridicule them or look down upon them
@@ArsalanAFG-fo1yx so you mean you agree with what i said? why do you guys always have a holier-than-thou attitude? why did you assume i was not in favor of a thelewala having a good time?
Hi there. The actress Sadhana was one of the most skilled actresses ever. To see a glimpse of her skill, pls watch the following songs in sequence. 1) Bahut Shukriya Badi Meherbani - from the Film - Ek Musafir Ek Hasina. 2) Abhi Na Jao Chhod Kar Ke Dil Abhi Bhara Nahi - from the Film - Hum Dono 3) Tuzhe Jeevan Ki Dor Se Bandh Liya Hai - from the Film - Asli Naqli 4) Tera Mera Pyar Amar - from the Film Asli Naqli 5) Jhumka Gira Re Bareli Ke Bazzar Mein - from the film - Mera Saaya. In the first song she portrays a fifteen or sixteen year old girl who is infatuated with the Hero. She display childish traits and has minimal maturity. In the second song she portrays a 18-19 year old girl who is in love (not infatuated) with the guy and surely depicts much greater maturity than the girl in first song. Nevertheless she still has some hint of childishness in her. In the third song she portrays a lady about 21-22 who is not just in love but has made up her mind that the guy is going to be her life partner. She also shows the maturity in her to even go against the will of her family if needed to be with the guy which definitely was not evident in the previous two songs. In the fourth song she portrays a 23-24 year old lady who not only has chosen her life partner but also most probably going to marry him shortly. She displays her happiness in the song by smiling and also her dreaminess by never once looking into the camera during the entire shoot of the song. In the last song she actually portrays a street artist who only cares about money and has very low moral standards. When you see the 4th song and then the fifth one the drastic change in her demeanor becomes quite evident. Pls do see and if possible react on it for experiencing the real finesse of acting.
@@djsoh6041 I remember everyone....I have seen lot of naseerudin shah's films...this comment is just about female artists....by the way I love watching more realistic cinema specialy by shyam benegal,satyajit ray and lijo Jose pellisary....i have even watched naseer's international works also.....
i didn't understand the creator's digs at aamir and shahrukh lol sure most of their film choices are geared to be commercial successes but they've both also shown that they have a substantial level of talent that is purely and strictly related to acting
@@Anonymous-mz9un uh i can and do recognize the talent that is present in every other revered actor that the creator praised in both hollywood and bollywood, there's no denying that. i'm just saying that it's a bit narrow minded to chalk off aamir and shahrukh (and even ranveer) as "bad" actors when a number of their films do a pretty great job proving otherwise. rick and korbin themselves said that most of their films are meant to be commercial and thus don't require the same level of believability (i.e. it varies by what the script demands) so picking out clips from the films that the creator probably Knows doesn't require the same "level" of acting was shallow. understanding and acknowledging that doesn't need a herculean level of analysis lol
@@clementine4412 If you rewatch Aamir was shown when he said good actor and Shahrukh when he said average actor. As an Aamir fan this stung at first. But, on more thought I realised he was speaking the truth about Aamir limiting himself to certain types of characters even though amongst the stars he is the most experimental. He does not think they are bad actors but feels that they are limiting their potential to grow. Very few people are born natural actors and even they need to learn and grow to reach greatness. That is why he is disappointed with Aamir and Shahrukh. I was a Shahrukh fan in his TV days. But, once he got into the YashRaj KJo bandwagon, he got himself terribly type-cast.
@@EagleOverTheSea what are the certain types of character? Dilip kumar was know for his tragedy roles but it doesn't mean he was playing safe . Shahrukh Khan was not typecast you can say it in rajpal yadav case and Govinda case but he did different roles before ddlj but after ddlj directors knew how to capitalise him and he even did occasionally different movies in his prime romantic movies but he knew what he is doing
This is my favourite channel "cinema beyond entertainment" ♥️ vinit stopped making videos but yeah but instead he gave two beautiful channel to his audience ♥️♥️♥️ thank you vinit if you ever read this..you know what actually is content ♥️♥️
To me the guy was highly pretentious. You see he assumes that acting is only for serious conversation about social justice and he completely ignores that sometimes completely irreverent and non serious performances can provide analysis..just take the monty python films and other films of that type
anyone with a functioning brain and eyes won't ever think that ranveer is a great actor. Ranbir kapoor is miles ahead of him. the best we have. whole india & worldwide movie fraternity thinks the same
I've never seen such a blatant display of hero worship of Hollywood cinema. Sure many of our stars are overrated.But it's so snobbish to think that only art film actors like Shabana, Smita,Irrfan, Nawaz and Naseeruddin have done worthy cinema.
seriously, srk is capable of doing so much, but he is just stuck in his stardom loop. I loved swadesh and dil se, even chak de but he has not done a good movie in so many years. I completely agree with the evaluation on salman, varun, arjun etc- clearly garbage acting. And priyanka, ranveer etc. are actors who sell eccentricity as great acting, they are slightly above average at best. I mean, ranveer's always portraying the same emotion in different setting - be it typical delhi boy, a ruffian in ramleela, a struggling rapper in gully boy, or even khilji - they all seem to have the same ranveer-type energy. I think ranbir and shahid are way better than ranveer in the craft, although even they are sometimes caught up in the bollywood-bubble. Bollywood is just a lala land tryng to recreate the same success formula, in the 80s or 90s it was the action hero type movies with bachhan, deol etc. and crass slapstick comedy with govinda and others. In 2000s, it was the sappy, unrealistic, fairy-tale type, filthy rich-type love stories with srk, salman,saif, hrithik etc, barring very few gems from directors like mani ratnam, or so. It goes without saying that women in cinema till 2010 were largely just tools for men to look good, i.e. love interests. And now, although hindi films have progressed maybe a little bit with actors like irfaan (gone too soon), nawaz, manoj, rajkumar, vicky, ayushman, vikrant etc.. they've still got a long way to go. In terms of everything, script, acting, cinematography and the biggest of all ORIGINALITY (stop making re-makes please!!!!)
Granted, the mediocre movies get remembered over the years more often, but gems exist in every decade. If you watch enough Hindi movies you are apt to see one or two movies in every decade which are critically acclaimed as well as popular with the audience. To put it in simple words dig deep. If you think that women in Hindi cinema were props you need to watch movies from the 50s with Waheeda Rahman(and not just the overrated Guru Dutt ones). That woman could teach our current heroines a lot about sticking to her guns(She refused to change her name. She insisted on wearing only costumes she was comfortable in) and acting in sensible cinema(I don't mean just art cinema here). That said I like the direction Hindi films are taking these days.
I liked your comment at this point. " I think ranbir and shahid are way better than ranveer in the craft, although even they are sometimes caught up in the bollywood-bubble". Totally agree with this!!!
that video just explained me the difference of good acting and depth of acting, very good, particularly with the example of ratnaji's scene with the other actor
Sometimes audience don't expect a performer to be a great actor(e.g SRK), they enjoy the way they overact and perform averagely. His presence is enough. I just hope he gets better director to work with.
Looks like you also skipped when he said that Aamir is a good actor and the only thing that is stopping Aamir Khan from becoming a great one is his choices. He mostly chooses characters with a moral high ground as Vinit said.
Exactly what anvesh said...choices is one of major factors of an individual actor. It doesn't make up if u do 1/2 movies out of track compared to 10/20 commercial movies....
@Blue Gender Aditya is not saying that you have to make great films to be a great actor. A great actor is the one who takes risks. Those risks don't have to pay off but just the act of taking them shows how much you wanna push the boundaries and how much you care about the art and craft of acting instead of choosing the same kind of generic films. Talent to make risky and daring choices is what makes you different from others who are just following the path laid out by someone else. People will go to every Brando film to see what he did in those films and probably he was one of the best things in those films.
@Blue Gender Movies are not made by the actor alone. Director is the captain and writer is the engine. And then sound designers, costume designers, production, cinematographer, editor and producers. So many factors are at play when you are making a film. What budget you are getting, how much time you are getting etc an actor is not responsible if a film goes wrong. What an actor is responsible for is the acting itself. Again the choices doesn't mean choosing films or characters, they also mean choosing acting techniques and how they are implemented. You are right at saying that choices are not enough to judge an actor's worth but you are wrong at saying that we should consider the final product. We should consider the performance and the choices and that's it. Believablity, vulnerability, unpredictability, ability to listen and use of body language and voice. All of this is in the hands of an actor and she and she alone is responsible for it. Her risky choices will help push the boundaries of her acting abilities and the boundaries of cinematic characters as well. But if the movie fails, it's okay because there is no art without risk. And SRK's risks are all calculated to include what he wants and what he thinks the audience wants and that's why those choices are bad because he is still stuck in fan servicing instead of serving the character and the story.
Bhai har baar social message wali film hi hoti h bollywood jitna message pe focus krta h utna agar screenplay ya story pe focus krle toh kya faad movies bnayenge hum aamir khan kabhi bhi psycho ka role nhi kr skta agar koi korean cinema pasand krta h toh I saw the devil dekhi hi hogi aur oldboy dekhi hogi Choi min sik played both roles versitality at its best.....
A very biased, preachy kinda video. From everyone they showed onscreen, we have all seen good movies from them, some greater n more versatile than others. What a boring tepid world to have such a specific kind of acting. N about loud acting - most Indians are expressive slightly loud folks n our actors /actresses represent that side of the world. There was a time when serious cinema was viewed with scepticism and disdain (few appreciated them and only later did most come to realize its intrinsic value) We need all kinds of actors and most get to a better state than they were through trial n error (not many have their choice of movies because of their financial status and their place in the industry in their initial years n for some even later on). This kind of video is necessary to view in order to ascertain the kind of bias the makers have towards the film industry.
It’s definitely biased, but I also think it’s important because it teaches you many important themes about great acting. I don’t agree with everything, including having every role be portrayed realistically, but it’s a great informative video
Doing loud acting is an art ,great actors have range in over the top acting. If you see Govinda , Amitabh Bachchan,Sanjay dutt,paresh rawal , Rajpal Yadav etc who can be big and grounded, believable at the same time where if you see srk he is just seems overact in over the top acting,loud voice that's why overacting word so attached to him like when people say about him they say he overacts
My two most absolute favourites are Naseer ji and Shabana ji. I have enjoyed every Irrfan film. And not only are they legends but extremely honest artists. However, I would have to say, like Rick mentioned, acting is an extremely broad subject and area. First off, I don't think anybody has understood performing arts/acting if they end up making reductive comparisons in the way it was shown in the video. Overall, it was a v nice video and I agree with most of it. But it was extremely reductive
Bollywood stars choose scripts in which character is on moral high ground,its their necessity. They think their image in real life will be based on what they show on reel life. Aamir is criminal on this,in his long illustrated career he hasn't done a character with dark shade not even a single role. Shahrukh well he had to do them initially as he was an outsider and salman well for him it doesn't matter because everytime he's on screen he's Salman Khan not the character he's playing. Actors being stuck in their crutches,it's so true for Shahrukh, Shahrukh was in front of his contemporaries in acting department,he could really emote. But as he got successful bollywood ruined him,he got stuck in his image and crutches. He still can pull off a performance of he can let go of his perceived stardom.
That's why when srk did different like swadesh , Ashoka, badshah even it s commercial great comedy movie but failed,paheli etc are flopped.same with amitabh bachchan in 70's if do realistic movie that failed because in that time people also want good movie with the star in their expectations and same with salman in today time swaggy man ,bad good boy which fullfill fans requirements
@@Shahbaz7771khan I haven't seen the film but looking at director must be a good movie. Look I must have made a extreme generalization when I said he didn't do single movie with darker shade but even you could just come up with just one name and that too which isn't a mainstream movie as such. Don't you see this pattern in these bollywood superstars, Shahrukh was really different in this sense but he too once he became superstar made way to this trend. Ranveer seems to break this norm. Somehow these stars felt compelled to good guys so that audience perceives them as such in real life. Salman's whole career is based on playing larger than life good guy personas. How could you deny this fact?
@@rohitsonone6497 no they are superstars of 90s bro the era of romcom both in holly and bollywood tum khali abhi k perspective se dekh rahe ho abhi mathod acting ka zamana aya he isliye tumhe wo achhe nahi lagenge but wo superstar by chance nahi he in my opinion amir has changed the flow of Bollywood movies in my opnion he is good actor pehle bollywood me acting ki defination alag thi us daur ke ye actor he to wo us time k hisab se top pe the they were best in their time and us time pe bhi method acting thi naseer saheb om puri were there but unko koi nahi puchhta tha because i already told u k romcom and overthe top emotions ka era tha so i disagree k wo khali apni image k vajah se top pe he abhi bhi amir ki almost sari movie achhi bhi hoti he 3 idiots ,gazani, and dangal and tare zameen par pk i loved all they very good movie and very good acting done by him ye mera opinion he and me kisi faltu youtube channel ke 5 minite k video se apna opnion nahi banata me us time ke is time ke situations and u dnt know about much amir bro fanna, atank hi atank and dhoom 3 all are negative and dark roles
What? How you can say Amitabh Bachchan an average actor? Ok naseeruddin Shah said Amitabh Bachchan is a great actor now whom you will beleive the video maker who didn't even put me Bachchan or a Thespian. Amitabh Bachchan is the inspiration of nawaz ,Manoj Bajpai . He is the actor whom people consider god along with Dilip Kumar, naseeruddin Shah. Also by saying most in Indian cinema that show your love for foreign actors . Now I will give you the dozen names of bad actors who are the a list actors in Hollywood
Please explore smita patil and naseeruddin shah and shabana azmis movies directors like shyam benegal this is what real indian cinema is all about even guru dutt movies like saheb bibi aur ghulam
Effortless and Ease: pankaj, irfan & co maybe good. But Mohanlal is the ultimate definition of natural, effortless and easy acting. You are yet to explore that territory.
Very one dimensional video and sort of snooty...people should stop picking on popular actors just for the sake of it..both Amir Khan and Ranveer Singh are fantastic at their craft..
@@musiclife-uz5gc but he is not eccentric on screen is he?what he wants to do in his personal life is his own business. I think he is pretty damn good at what he does and people sometimes overlook that due to his flamboyance.. just my opinion..
Ranveer has done some good movies but that doesnt make him great actor. I guess Gully Boy was ur first Indian movie trailer and movie you saw in which he did good acting and you got smitten by him . But believe me he has done some shitty movies with equally shitty acting . He is occasionally a good actor and rest of the time he is just flat.
Gully boy is so overrated ... Vijay Varma is a better actor than Ranvir any day ... that’s how it will be, Good looking mediocrity trouncing average looking versatility and claiming “best actor” awards ... shrug!!!
I was expecting a reference to Mohanlal's performace somewhere in this video.. but this included only bollywood actors.. most of them as we know are now just showpieces
Korbin is indeed a very good listener..... A question - why is it when you talk about great acting or name actors who are really good you only name male actors?
they praise vidya/aish/priyanka/alia all the time. special mentions always to tabu as they saw her work before the channel started. its sad that there arent many good women oriented mainstream stories.. but they do know decent amount
@@niteshbhasin2884 Yes, but they're the only ones. I've noticed this trend too, where their PRIMARY focus then switches to the MALE actors. I guess they see male actors as the default (subconscious bias)
Oh I wish this video went on for hours! Not the video you reacted to but just you two talking about acting!!! I just love how immersed you two become when it comes to acting and I just love you two talking about it in as much detail as possible!!!! ❤️
One of the actresses heavily featured in this video was Smita Patil. I don't know if you have been introduced to her work yet, but she's definitely one of THE BEST actresses to have ever graced the silver screen. She was one of the most accomplished and respected actresses in Hindi cinema. Some of her movies to look out for would be Mirch Masala (1985), Arth, Mandi, Bhumika etc.
@@TheDeeps369 yeah we can always search the title and it will give the results but having a link in the description is somewhat more convenient and it is a nice thing to do in order to give a shout out to the original content. I would also suggest to add the original channel link along side the video link but just video link is kinda a must have thing
@@TheDeeps369 I mean it isn't your fault no need to say sorry 😅 And sorry if my reply came out as aggressive, I am just annoyed today for unrelated reasons
@@Kislay11 I hope things get better for you soon. What you had suggested is valid, and I am surprised that OSR hadn’t done it in the first place. I got to know about CBE channel in the comment section of one of @ricksegall ‘s video. I thought I should do my bit to continue the chain of good deeds 😃
Dude is an extremist in the world of acting and considers only a certain style of acting as great. I understand why he is an extremist in that sense but it's not plausible. Audience don't want only a particular kind of movie, they also want entertainment and escape from the reality. In such movies, actors acting all like real normal people will be boring. Of course, what he said about showing the image of society to society itself is a great responsibility of every actor that they are bound to but that image they portray and show should be understandable by the audience otherwise it is the actor's fault, no matter how great his acting skills are.
The video is actually very good but it has its fair share of biases. There are several points that highlight that. The selection of movies to make is points for example. He conveniently shows all the over the top SRK moments but fails to show scenes like in Swades. His comment about Ranveer using his eccentricities is negating his own point of actors trying to channel their own personalities in the character they are playing. Personally, I didnt like Ranveer's portrayal of Bajirao Peshwa. But he made it something of his own and I accepted it. The point he makes about actors and art having the responsibility to hold a mirror to the society is something I fundamentally disagree with. No one SHOULD have that responsibility. Societies dont function and change that way. All in all he makes good points but needs to be taken with a pinch of salt
I don't think he has biases. SRK has done great acting in Swades and Chak De India and Baazigar but you can count them on your fingers. Infact Vinit has made an entire video essay on Swades. It's on the channel you should check it out. But most SRK movies have over the top acting so you can't say that he is a great actor just because he did Swades because you are failing to recognise all the other movies like Jab Harry Met Sejal, Happy new year, Raees, Kal ho na ho, kabhi khushi kabhi gham, Don, Don 2 and so many others. His portfolio contains very little swades and a lot of fan service. And these are all the movies he has selected. Nobody has pushed him to do these films. So he his responsible for his own choices. And talking about Ranveer, if you seriously think that personality is how you behave in front of people than you need to understand that it's not how you behave but what you do. And you have seen Ranveer in front of cameras, it's not like you are his best friend and you know everything about him, everyone is pretending in front of cameras so you can't know what he is like in real life. Using his eccentricities for the character is wrong because it's not serving the story but it's serving his fans. Vinit is completely right about that point. And I see you also 'fundamentally' disagree with his point of actors holding the mirror upto the society. I don't understand on which fundamental do you disagree because he never said that this is how societies function. Although if you look at the history of art you will be surprised to know that how much society functions and change based on art. After all they say that society inspires the art and art inspires the society.
I do think that vineet isn't being bias. It's not about any actor's whole life performance. It's just he gave few of examples for the point he wants to convey. Having said that, everyone has their opinion. I personally think some of amitabh's performance were over the top while few are very brilliant. And I think same would be case for all the actors.
@@shvenanaij You have made some great points. I have watched all of Vinit's videos before. And I like the guy. I just disagree on a few things I am no big fan of any 'stars'. Just a disclaimer. But speaking of SRK, you are right to point out that he has very few Swades like films in his portfolio. He has made some pretty bad decisions. But it's not that he hasn't experimented. The public doesn't accept him in certain roles thus he tends to stick to a certain role and image. After all its a marketplace and he has to sell what people want to buy I don't have any disagreements with you on you comments on Ranveer Singh. I expressed my opinions in my earlier comment. On the society comment. I disagree with you. I believe society and art mirror in a very spontaneous way. No one 'has' to purposefully set out to change anything. As one person's version of a society can turn into a dystopia for someone else. Society functions on the balance of individual idiosyncrasies. Thus I don't feel anyone 'has' to something to change things for the better. I believe if we are true to our art or work and do our best in it, society gets influenced anyway. Bill gates has changed more lives with Microsoft than he has with his foundation but her didn't set out to change the world. He set out to create a software that everyone could use. Gutenberg press was not invented to democratise knowledge. It was invented to print and sell more bibles. The invention was good enough that the society rearranged around it organically. I believe you get my point. I am not against change but nobody 'has' to bear the entire responsibility.
@@ninadk30 I think you have misunderstood what Vinit meant when he said that an actor should put the mirror upto the society. Because I don't think he meant that you have to create art to change society, I think he meant you have to create a piece of art which the audience can reflect upon, where they can see themselves. And now that you have explained your point, I understand that you and Vinit are saying the same thing where an artist should be true to her art so that audiences can relate or reflect or have a revelation about something. I hope that's what Vinit meant. If he didn't meant that then me and you are saying the same thing. About the SRK thing, I agree that he experimented but he never experimented with his acting style because even in movies like Fan where it's a big risk he still does all the things that a SRK movie should do. Basically he checks all the boxes he should as a star. That happened even in Zero. And I agree that it's a marketplace and he has to sell what audiences want to buy but nobody is forcing him to make the biggest box office blockbusters. Again he wants to break his previous box office record because he wants to be famous or something. He can easily make a small film for a certain audience and make his money but he tries to balance both what he wants and what audiences want in the same film and he ends up with a Raone or Fan or Zero where the box office is disappointing and the artistic merit is also disappointing. He should do films where he can actually flex his acting muscles because he has it in him but he doesn't and that's why he is an average actor. But still he is way better than Salman Khan 😂. Also a side note: it's just a stupid side note 😂 but I think with Microsoft he changed the world not people's lives but with his foundation he is actually changing people's lives more intimately. Atleast that's what I got from his annual letters 😅
Then i think great actors choose bad scripts to show how how much they are great😌. Even ayushman choose good script but he is not in the league of Ranbir , Rajkumar Rao,ranveer.
Salman is not a bad actor, he is just HORRIBLE. Aamir is not a great actor...he is just very smart and only choses those scripts where he has moral leverage and also hide his drawbacks/flaws.
Check out the original channel Cinema Beyond Entertainment for more. I am not sure OSR will react to everything since not all of their audience is interested in learning about cinema.
You have favouritism or bias for bollywood stars and always defend them... seriously korbin i always thought u r sensible... ranveer, amir may be their choice of films are great... i have never been impressed by their acting skills... soo rethink of u r over defending skills.... and be open to something great
@@KorbinMiles u and jaby are the only 2 reaction channels i follow... i follow u regularly... so there might be a possibility its true... just rethink of it.. u r followers might be right in something ... never ignore that... love u korbin.
One thing I dislliked about this video (not the reaction but the video itself) is the "educating" tone that it intended to adopt. Don't educate the audience. The audience are the paying customers. They know exactly what they want to see and what would entertain them. After a hard week's work I, personally, would prefer a Ranveer over a Nawaz, any time of the year. Loved how Korbin put it quoting Harrison Ford ... lol. Thats what it is all about. At the end of the day money will run the show and money comes from paying customers. As of now paying customers in India will pay for Salman more than they would for Nawaz. That's just the way it is and always has been. You cannot "educate" an entire nation of at least 400 million potential viewers, change their tastes and then hope that they will watch, what you call, "good cinema". That's not how industries work. Take any industry. If you don't cater to the existing tastes of the customers you will go out of business.
The channel is about discussing the nuances of the art of cinema. So, it has an educational tone for a reason. Explore the channel before forming opinions.
@@EagleOverTheSea This is a reaction channel. They (Rick and Korbin) watch stuff and react and express opinions. This is not an art class. I have been following this channel since Feb 2019. And my comment was not on this channel, it was on the video that they reacted to. That video had an "educational" tone which I disliked. Even Rick and Korbin did not agree with everything said in the video. That video was desperately trying to create an opinion instead of only stating facts. If it hadn't, then every time the narrator said "garbage acting " or "bad actors" they would not have shown Salman or Varun on the screen. That video reeked of anti-incumbancy and anti-establishment. My thing is simple. If you don't cater to the tastes of the audience you are no good. Period. In today's world customer decides quality. That video was trying to create an opinion that Salman or Varun or Kareena cannot act and are where they are only because of their contacts and influence. May be they *are* great actors and choose not to use their talent fully because that is not what the customers want. May be Salman can act much better than Nawaz but we haven't had a chance to see that side of Salman. And for this reason I disliked the video that was reacted to in this episode of OSR because it was trying to be unnecessarily pedantic and highly opinionated. If you want to talk art, discuss theatre or Indian classical music or henri matisse or ansel adams or cartier-bresson. Bollywood is the last thing you will discuss as art and then keep cribbing about it. (Bade aaye art shikhanewaale !! (sarcasm intended :D))
@Ronnie Jacob well Nawaz and other realistic cinema actors are household name but others are genuinely the superstar,part of Indian pop culture because they have some different thing which they like about them . Joaquin phoenix joker is a big commercial success ,he is respected but it doesn't mean he has the same following ,love like Dwayne Johnson,Kevin hart,Chris Hemsworth,RDJ ,Brad Pitt or box office like Tom cruise movies . Audience loves to see Nawaz but they want to see different movies
Djso H Finally some one understood this. Thank you for elaborating. What is the big problem of our Indian audience is that they limit themselves with genres which in foreign countries you don't get to see. What I am saying is if you observe you will realize that Indian people who loves thriller, action movies tends to hate romantic and comedy movies (not all) they are tend to stuck with that style and genre they love and don't want to accept and appreciate other genres which have every right to co-exist(ex: "I hate typical romantic Bollywood movies cause I'm cool") . Even smart youtubers like Shwetabh tend to do this stupidity I still don't understand why. Now compare our Indian audience with US or any foreign audience. They love to watch movies like avengers, mission impossible, star wars, godzilla, john wick, on the other hand they also love movies like Aviator, Catch me if you can, Lincoln, No country for old man, Godfather, Silence of the lambs and accept all these genres, appreciate all the actors in these movies and their performances.Yes they are very serious about quality in a movie but they are not stuck in the "Genre trap" like Indian audience. If my statement is wrong than just see the list of the blockbuster movies of past 30 years. 95% of them are from romantic or action genres. Movies like tummbad and bhavesh joshi superhero usually gets lost in this "genre trap" like forever.
Me : varun dhawan always overacts in His movies Varun dhawan : Go and watch badlapur Fans and October Me : Go and watch anatomy of great Actor by cinema beyond Entertainment 😒
@@dchoudhury3071 no in remeber for both of acting. Because of some bad choices , acting especially in coolie no people are so biased towards badlapur for nawaz. Even some idyts will say he overacted in kalank.ha ha ha
I agree with most of the examples stated in Vinit's video. I grew up watching a lot of Hindi films and used to feel that the Khans and other top Bollywood stars are in fact good actors. But as my exposure to world cinema increased, the way I interpret an effective performance also underwent a change. "In your face" acting with enhanced expressions and chewing up the scenery with overbearing presence are the two issues that I find problematic in mainstream Bollywood actors. This case is especially true for Shah Rukh. If one considers his legacy, there aren't many films which still feel fresh over repeat views - except maybe for a Swades or a Chak de, where he had shed the stardom and became aligned with the character. Otherwise, his characters always felt like an extension of himself - the romantic charmer like all of his Dharma or Yashraj characters. Aamir is somewhat more experimental, but still plays safe with character selection. I do disagree with Ranveer's criticism for Ram Leela, as Rick also mentioned, it was what that movie's universe called for. But as Vinit indirectly points out, even Ranveer and Varun from today's generation of actors are average at best. Mainstream Bollywood employs very little craft and innovation, and this approach has extended to actors who seem to be playing the same role over and over in different guises. The audience, may be due to lack of exposure to better content, considers it as "good" and this behavior and rather unworthy praise fools the actors into believing that this mediocrity is in fact "good". With OTT, I hope this trend changes and we get to see more diverse characters which are memorable.
Finally, a sensible comment! You hit the nail on the head with "lack of exposure". That is precisely the problem with a lot of audiences in India. Especially the kind who are not comfortable even watching Indian content beyond their known languages.
@@EagleOverTheSea even the two hosts of this channel aren't sophisticated with World cinema, they lack exposure too. Honestly, these are rather biased people pretending to be sitting on judgment chairs because...they are actors apparently. It kind of bugs me that this Rick guy was literally preparing to disagree throughout the video, and ofcourse after it got over. Their treatment to films and acting that they spoke of in the discussion was rather surface level. Stating points like 'Effortlessness', which Is something that comes handy with an actor, it's not something one trains himself for. And yes, they took the point about voice adaptation in a literal sense and not as an example to explain something broad in a 7 minute long video. I wouldn't really take the words from these chaps seriously....
Well the legacy is about the shahrukh khan movies . Overseas non NRI audience loves his the Dharma,yrf movies . Like a Malaysian tweet if there is srk movie on tv ,it is begin to trend on twitter . Swades is a cult but audience doesn't watch again and again his swades even chak de india but k3g,ddlj, mainstream movie who gave him the larger than life image. It is not about the character selection but what's in that . Dilip kumar was known for his tragedy roles but it doesn't mean he was playing safe
@@god1770 every actor has their own factor like Irrfan khan effortless , that's word attached with him . Every actors say that when Dilip Kumar takes pauses that's the best thing to watch
I 100% agree to what he say's in the video. Let's say Ranveer Singh's character in "Bajirao Mastani" is Eccentric (where in there was no need to be). Portraying the same in all the films is not good acting. it's just lack of skills.
Despite some valid points, this doesn't take cultural expectations into account. A lot of the things he said are "bad" are actually what provoke the heart strings of Indian audiences and are very appropriate for our films and/or that time period. There seems to be a bias against any person who has become a commercial success in favor of intimate or artistic films, confusing film style preference for an objective standard of acting. The biggest pitfall was not acknowledging that even within commercial acting there can be great diversity. All the Khans have a similar career trajectory and yet you can dislike one and love another for vastly different reasons. At the end, a lot of it does come down to the actor's preference and end goal should be performance fits the film like Rick and Korbin said.
What other videos should we react to?
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That isnt F Murray Abraham, that is Naseeruddin Shah in one of the greatest films, "Sparsh" from where Pacino took inspiration for his role in Scent of a Woman and won an oscar.
From where did you get this information.
@@balbirsinghmomi8139 I heard this from manoj bajpai once...
@@imadeyouwaste1.84secondsre6 Yeah in an interview, right?? Where others like Ranveer Singh, Alia, Deepika, Ayushmann etc were present too
@@toomanythoughts2 yup :)
Korbin was laughing at bad actors then they showed ranveer singh korbin -😳
😂😂😂
😂😂 Ranvir is an average actor while Shahid Kapoor become good actor over a period of time.
@@shashanktripathi7514 both r worst
ha ha ! It is Ranveer for Korbin .. for me it could be Salman or Akshay or Amitabh. Everyone has a soft spot. Bollywood is about that feel-good factor rather than pure art. The video reacted to in this OSR episode was so stupid in trying to inculcate histrionic sense in the industry. So dumb !
@@raghuv.r9184 I agree to some extent but I love both of them and will not take any word against them :D
@@djsoh6041 usually I didn't find any great acting in Bollywood compared to other industry.I didnt found Salman as great maybe Aamir is better than him.Ranveer acting is average sometimes felt too hype.Amithab acting is good.I like Irfan,sushanth and Aishwarya also good.Also Rajkumar.
Vinit forgot about Amir's character in '1947 Earth'.
Saying Garbage and showing the face of Varun Dhawan🤣🤣OP
I feel so sad that you guys have been viewing Indian content for 2 years now and still haven't been introduced to Smita Patil. She was a great actress and contemporary of Om Puri, Naseeruddin Shah and Shabana Azmi. I would've loved you to jump in your seats after seeing her there on screen the same way you reacted looking at, say SRK or Big B or Ranveer. The problem that most of the people who recommend stuff to go with the popular choices more than great choices but alas I have hope you will get there soon. ✌🏽
Ohhhh my heart!!! Smita, they do not know brilliance and magic till they have seen Smita Patil ❤️
That's why we promote People's choice awards much more than Critic's choice( though they are also biased )
4:21 Rick, that wasn't F Murray Abaraham!! It was a young Naseeruddin Shah!!!
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@@ricksegallactor 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Rick is always looking to contradict for the sake of contradiction... you guys have watched some Indian movies but the deep sense of understanding the nuances is beyond you. Jim Carey is believable as Fletcher Reede in Liar Liar as Any other “serious” actor in any other movie. The believability is not the character ... it’s the portrayal of the character. That’s the sign of a great actor and Jim Carey is definitely one!
Definitely one
Agreed
What deep sense of nuances you're talking about
They know about acting ,nuances more than you
@@harshilagarwal5423 they are ranveer fans but Nawaz,Irrfan are much great for them in actors in Indian cinema
You should interview Rajkummar Rao
Would love to
Well I would like that too
Rick preconceives everything. Wait for the sentence to finish,
Rick is not a good listener 😂
That's Rick for you, always watch videos with preconceived mindset. As if looking for things to disagree. He will conveniently take the context without understanding the point of view. Korbin is much more open to it and we do understand why he disagrees with certain things in the video.
He also assumes that his viewpoint is the only correct viewpoint
This happens when someone listens with a intent to reply not to understand what the other person is saying
@@sarahaider7042 True that.... Ialso feel that all time
Smita Patil, rajkumar rao, pankaj tripathi...these people are gem. And The moment when salman khan appears on him saying bad actors. That was good.
No, it was stupid. Salman is not in Bollywood because of his acting. He is there because he is Salman. I love him for that ! Don't try to be excessively pedantic about the *wood industries in India. They are there to sell stuff and they are doing a great job at it. You don't like it, then don't watch it. They appeal to the masses who generate the revenue and that is why all these stars are great.
btw how come people forget nasiruddin and anupam all the time ?!
@@djsoh6041 They are great because they appeal large audience and make money, in that sense baghi Franchise of Tiger Shroff is also great.
I yes if I Don't like it I won't watch it but I have the right to put forward my opinion on how bad at times they are in acting in thier movies.
Majority Audience likes Such films doesn't mean they are great
Most of the people don't have the taste and knowledge of Art that's the reason they forget great actors like
Naseeruddin Shah and Om Puri .
But the ones who have knowledge of acting can never forget thier brilliance.
Salman Khan is Popular Doesn't mean he is always great
Some Tiktokers and Reelers are also popular doesn't mean they are skilled or great at anything
@@aniruddhamungekar8663 I didn't get what your point is, and if it is any different from what I already said. But I will say this, while you have the right to criticize anyone and everyone for whatever they are doing, it should have some sense to it. Tomorrow if I go out and start criticizing street actors on something that they don't mean to be doing, I will be called an idiot. Similarly, if you go out and start criticizing typical Indian, masala commercial movies on the acting and other technicalities, you will not only be wasting your time but you will also be called an idiot.
@@djsoh6041 Bro Even i didn't get your point .
Read my previous
comment carefully
You will understand what my points are .
You said Salman Khan is great
In what .
Stupid movies like baghi Earn 100 crores+ in Box office
And some Chapri Tiktokers are also famous
So by giving this 2 example i was trying to say even if you have Box office income and You are famous doesn't mean you are great at something.
In last decade he has made some really horrible movies
And has acted terribly in most of the movies
That's the reason he gets criticism.
Phir se explain kar diya
Ab toh thik hai
You should explore the art movies of Smita Patil, Om Puri, Anupam Kher, and Naseeruddin Shah from the 80s. Those movies were referred to as art cinema/movies/film back then to differentiate from commercial cinema, and rightly so at the time, because the acting was nothing short of art and the movies did little to be commercially successful.
korbin laughing at the subtle dig at salman but being quick to defend ranveer is the best part of the reaction
HIS REACTIONS WERE SO INSTINCTIVEKJSHSK I LOVED IT
Exactly. I felt the same all through that stupid video. :D He was showing Salman and Varun and Kareena when he said "bad acting" or "garbage actors". It almost infuriated me because I watch Salman because he is Salman. I love him for that. I am not holding Salman on any acting scale when I watch Dabang for example. What a stupid video to make holding Bollywood to an art movie test. That video was all about anti-incumbency and anti-establishment. Very political.
@@djsoh6041 oh i wasn’t upset about the digs at salman at all lol and that’s mostly bc i don’t like him
@@clementine4412 Ok. :) I wasn't taking about your preferences. I was talking about Korbin getting on the defensive on seeing Ranveer being mentioned. My comment was that I was getting on the defensive all through the video just like Korbin.
@@djsoh6041 that's completely fair!!! and also super understandable lol i was the same with aamir and srk
Sometimes people wants to see filmy characters to be little more emotional or expressive than a normal person because that style will stay with them it becomes a signature of that ACTOR (eg: SHAHRUKH KHAN) Believability You need when it is a real life character driven movies if you act like that in a commercial film that will be called as flat acting. So we can't measure all units with same metrics.
Yeah but commercial films are also driven by real life characters, it's not like that they use aliens as their main protagonist. The difference is the depth in the characters and overall character development. Commercial films, more often than not, have very little depth to their characters and everything is clearly defined. This is a good person and this is a bad person. They think that audiences are dumb to get their characters' nuances. And before you say that it's a commercial film not a realistic film, I wanna say that commercial films also can have great characters and the best example of that is Marvel movies. These movies are as mainstream as you can get but still Iron Man was a character with a lot of depth and especially in the later Russo Brother movies and they showed that if you can develop a character well with all it's nuances, audiences are gonna love it. Ofcourse this all depends on bad writing which quite a lot of SRK's movies have. And even Anubhav Sinha once said that he can do so much more but ultimately all of the films he has done are HIS choices. He selected the bad written scripts. He can't do much with these "HERO" characters and his signature style only serves one purpose which is to make his fans happy instead of serving the story. And a good example is Ranbir in Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani. He never serves to his fans despite the film being very commercial and very melodramatic. You don't do it for the "PEOPLE" you do it for the audience. And it's okay if some actors wanna do it but that doesn't make them great actors. Simple as that.
Very well said. This video that they reacted to is simply useless for Indian setup. I go to the show to watch Ranveer and have a good time for 2-3 hours. And I am sure there are many many in India who are in the same boat. For me movies is not academics. Its entertainment. Period.
@@shvenanaij This entire detailed analysis has been rejected by Bhojori cinema
Thing is it's changing and doesn't have to remain same. Change is only constant. There was Dilip Kumar remember,he had these traits of realistic acting back then times changed stylized cinema was name of the game,so people who would do stylized dialogue delivery spurting a few lines became stars now times have again changed it looks as though realistic acting is in forefront with Netflix and prime being driving force of this change. This change can be seen two fold,that audience got tired of stylized cinema is one reason another is these platforms don't like star system,they want to create product instead which would be judged based on merit of its own not by which star works in it. Therefore you see these fan armies which were propped up by these stars being at war with this new enthusiastic new cinema armies over on twitter. It's good for indian cinema that we are finally getting away from star system but fear could be we may become Hollywood. I mean what kept apart hindi film industry away from Hollywood are these song and dance routines and over the top ness and starsystem.
Correct.and I don't agree if you don't try to believe the audience that you are angry , emotional by facial features then you are great because acting is that art where you can not stick to basic principles .it's about story,character what his limits, condition and what instructions he got and his own mindset.basically you connect with audience greatly and people like it you did your work and as an talented man everyone know what he does different than others and in any field.great in sportspersons experiment and discover new tricks
Aamir is definitely not a bad actor. Moreover from amongst the stars he is the only one who ‘can’ be in the clique of great actors like Om puri, Naseer, Kamal Hassan, Nawaz, Irrfan
Just stfu. He is the worst actor among the three khans. Too hollow just too hollow. Its his constant marketing as mister perfectionist that makes u think this.
You stfu! Whether marketing or no marketing much better than both the other khans! Again reiterating! You gfu
@@ronmiller3741 u are really saying salman is better than aamir?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ronmiller3741 Worst amongst Khans? Salman says hi😂😂😂
@@ronmiller3741 acting ke Gyan dev aa gye . Baaki film fraternity uske baare main kya bolti hai bhul gye
that RUclips playbutton has been through a lot.
i am writing this before watching i know this is gonna be a great video,i have been waiting for this video for 1 year, as a film student i am a huge fan of sir Vinit and his videos , and my most favourite duo from youtube is going to react on the video, this is overwhelming feeling for me, thank you rick and korbin for your wonderful reaction, hope you will do more on Cinema beyond entertainment.
Guys, I agree to your point about Jim Carrey. Mostly serious acting is referred to as great acting, but making people laugh is even tougher! Besides, I think it's people's choice which type of actors they prefer watching. I personally always choose comedy over drama because I like to laugh! So Jim Carrey is a great actor for me!
@Sandeep Mehta Agree. Even The Truman Show & The Man On The Moon!
@Sandeep Mehta True! The Duck Factory, In Living Color, The Mask, Dumb & Dumber, Liar Liar, The Dead Pool, Yes Man, Me, Myself & Irene, The Grinch
@Sandeep Mehta and Also Bruce Almighty, Fun With Dick & Jane & Dumb & Dumber 2!
Exactly, most ppl only consider serious acting as great acting and intense scenes as the most difficult but that's not always the case
I think he done some serious roles.
im sorry but this video was a little harsh on both srk and aamir. the style of their acting in 2000s was directly related to what indian audience demanded - streched and theatreical . people are dramatic here and they want to see the exact emotions on the screen. back then realistic actors were given a tag of 'artsy actors' while entertainers were given star tags . eg- in swades srk was freaking brilliant but it was a disaster on box office and his acting was really underappreciated . it became a cult after many years . however if you look after 2006-2007 thats where real acting was starting to showcase . just after that srk did chak de india with one of his best performances and was hugely appreciated and then my name is khan . there was much more grounded sense of performance by amir in talash and dhobhi ghaat . now recently the scale of films have took a turn. from being over the top and dramatic, they are now set up in small towns with relatable characters . but there is one important thing-
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acting in india or especially in hindi cinema is based on the pitch of the film itself . varun dhawan will be over the top in humpty or badrinath but much more believable
in badlapur or october . however both pitch works because humpty is entertaining and so is badlapur . but if a script is bad ( coolie no 1 for eg) the pitch looks cringey itself. i know many people will bash me here for saying this but nawaz was very much over the top in freaky ali . his comic timing was very off but i dont blame him , its the pitch the film is going for . film was bad though. on the other hand his little comic scenes in gow or badlapur are brilliant .
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many times it also depends on the director too. i mean for gods sake if ram madhvani can make sonam kapoor act in neerja then , oh boy, anything can happen.
Exactly! 👍🏽
preach! that's exactly what i think as well.
Perfect👍
I belive some are rrally good actors and some who are average can even act good if a director is good who brings out good acting from average actors and Bajarangi Bhaijaan and Sultan are good examples. Salman kahn was good if not excellent in both the movies while in general he is just average or below par
@@abhishekpareek23 true! I'm not a big fan of Salman's acting and I'm not blind to not see that he can overact a lot, but he has some talent there if the director was able to make him do such a good job. So I'm never really hate on anyone if that person can do something that is amazing. Also my opinion changes with time, so I'm trying not to be so judging. I learnt that on Katrina Kaof and Varun Dhawan. I was hating Katrina quite a lot and I always taught Varun was average. But then I watched some of their newer work and they can be quite incredible. It depends on many circumstances.
Also I know SRK have some mannerism that he uses sometimes too much. But he also can totally dissappear into character which some actors won't be able to do. Like Darr, my name is khan or fan. Also he works so hard with so many injuries he had in his life. Watching behind a scenes of some of his action movies really made me appreciate him more. Also Aamir tends to overact also, but I always loved him, cause at the time most of big, dramatic movies were mega popular at the time. And well, it's for sure hard for those actors suddenly learn that now they have to change their style of acting.
Many Malayalam actors could do both intense and over the top - Mohanlal, Mammootty, Thilakan, Nedumudi Venu, Murali, Bharat Gopi, Balan K Nair, Janardhanan, Devan.... So many. KPAC Lalitha, Urvashi, Revathi... This industry is blessed with maximum number of gifted actors... It's just amazing. Perhaps it comes from culture, our natya shastras... Kathakali, Mohiniyattam... Or even the stand-up comedy skits programs called "Mimic-Cry"...!!!!!!!
The list won't end. But never start a list ignoring Sathyan sir.
@@Anonymous-mz9un very true! I had thought of it... But was not sure the "new" generation would get it. 😀
@@tantrik_indian1449 We new generation ain't always as you think sir :). Sathyan sir is much more for us who've watched Anubhavangal palichakal, Bheekara nimishangal,Oru penninte kadha etc.
@@Anonymous-mz9un 😀 glad to hear that!!
@@tantrik_indian1449 :)
Smita Patil, Shabana azmi,Deepti Naval's Movies.
Smita Patil has been the finest actress in Indian cinema ever.
how come people forget nasiruddin and anupam all the time ?!
The only person who can match Harrison Ford's voice is Benedict Cumberbatch
Or Tom Hardy
@@jiga6832 ya. Tom hardy too!! But i think depth and bass of benedict is a notch more. What say??
@@kaustabhnaga3217 I think as he gets older eventually he will get there
But he is not full oit if radar
And also Morgan freeman and Idris Elba i think I would put on the list
This two can may as well talking about cooking and will make it ound like Shakespearean 😂😂
@Ronnie Jacob it was about Hollywood bro!! And if r telling abt amit ji, definately he is up there. But do we guys even remember amit sayani???
I think it is from different group of people but the first person that comes to my mind when talking about voice is corpse husband, check out just his voice if not anything else
Although he does make pertinent points, but imo this video is a classic example of speaking a lot without saying much. Too verbose and too scatterbrained at times. He also is clearly prejudiced towards actors who are considered greats (and of course they are greats), but he picks on popular stars as though he's saying a star can't be a good actor. Some big stars have done some very good work, and some extremely mediocre work, depends on the merit of the film and the director at the helm. This video is a classic example of Confirmation Bias.
Thanks for saying this
preach, exactly. i am well aware that some big stars "overacted" a lot in some of the movies. but, 90s stars especially usually were taught that. public loved it. kal ho naa ho, k3g, karan arjun, har dil jo pyar karega and much more were full of that kinda style. but it was the era and also directors. and everyone was into it. it doesn't mean that those actors can't do an incredible job when the script and movie requires it. i'm not trying to hate on anyone for thinking otherwise, cause everybody should be allowed to share their opinion, so i'm just sharing mine. i can clearly see the difference between like some big stars and some people who may be much better actors, but sometimes not so perfect performance can get you even more
Exactly!
@Sandeep Mehta no srk can't do Raman raghav no one would have done justice to the role of Raman raghav other than nawazudhin Siddiqui
@Sandeep Mehta no he can't
I loved timing of scenes in this video❤️ e.g. entry of bhai when narrator mentions 'bad acting' lol
I agree with this guy. 3:11 However in Hindi mainstream cinema doing more is considered as a right way of acting,
3:17 Good(Aamir)
3:22 Average(SRK)
3:23 Garbage(Varun)
Not agree anymore..
Shah rukh khan always be a great actor but he underrated..
His romantic image & popularity overshadow his Acting Skills..
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Aamir is definitely not a good actor.. he is average..
@@m_s916 srk is average
@@VC-ps2vm 😂ok.. It's your opinion 🙂
@@m_s916 Srk is not underrated in acting skills but personally he comes in my one fav of actors but if someone says he is good actor but not great ok . It doesn't mean you have to be great like others actors . First thing is to be good. Like korbin said when rick asked do you recommend srk to others as an actor he said he is a good actor but not great like Nawaz,Irrfan ,pankaj
@@m_s916 You are Fan of him that's why you are saying this.
A Biased opinion to defend his Star.
I really love listening to the debate you two have after the video. Specially in this video. Keep up the intellectual side of this channel.
Missed one parameter?
Mindset of the Audience - This introduces what kind of a mind is watching.
Example - Bhai Mindset 😁
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lol
lol exactly ... tum thelewaale ko jaake "method acting" shikhaneki koshish karoge to maar khaoge ... wo kahega, bhai ek achcha item song baja do ... mera kaam ho gaya ! :D
@@djsoh6041 well those people deserve entertainment too. They buy the ticket and watch what makes them happy. No one has the right to ridicule them or look down upon them
@@ArsalanAFG-fo1yx so you mean you agree with what i said? why do you guys always have a holier-than-thou attitude? why did you assume i was not in favor of a thelewala having a good time?
Hi there. The actress Sadhana was one of the most skilled actresses ever.
To see a glimpse of her skill, pls watch the following songs in sequence.
1) Bahut Shukriya Badi Meherbani - from the Film - Ek Musafir Ek Hasina.
2) Abhi Na Jao Chhod Kar Ke Dil Abhi Bhara Nahi - from the Film - Hum Dono
3) Tuzhe Jeevan Ki Dor Se Bandh Liya Hai - from the Film - Asli Naqli
4) Tera Mera Pyar Amar - from the Film Asli Naqli
5) Jhumka Gira Re Bareli Ke Bazzar Mein - from the film - Mera Saaya.
In the first song she portrays a fifteen or sixteen year old girl who is infatuated with the Hero. She display childish traits and has minimal maturity.
In the second song she portrays a 18-19 year old girl who is in love (not infatuated) with the guy and surely depicts much greater maturity than the girl in first song. Nevertheless she still has some hint of childishness in her.
In the third song she portrays a lady about 21-22 who is not just in love but has made up her mind that the guy is going to be her life partner. She also shows the maturity in her to even go against the will of her family if needed to be with the guy which definitely was not evident in the previous two songs.
In the fourth song she portrays a 23-24 year old lady who not only has chosen her life partner but also most probably going to marry him shortly. She displays her happiness in the song by smiling and also her dreaminess by never once looking into the camera during the entire shoot of the song.
In the last song she actually portrays a street artist who only cares about money and has very low moral standards.
When you see the 4th song and then the fifth one the drastic change in her demeanor becomes quite evident.
Pls do see and if possible react on it for experiencing the real finesse of acting.
smita patil,shabana azmi, deepti naval some of the best female artists from bollywood films....thespian actors....
how come people forget nasiruddin and anupam all the time ?!
@@djsoh6041 female nhi h ye
Ac to comment
It’s Smita Patil.
@@djsoh6041 I remember everyone....I have seen lot of naseerudin shah's films...this comment is just about female artists....by the way I love watching more realistic cinema specialy by shyam benegal,satyajit ray and lijo Jose pellisary....i have even watched naseer's international works also.....
When he showed Varun dhawan's pic for garbage 😬😬😂😂
Irfan khan is a gem of an actor..will miss him so much onscreen
Big loss
Jim Carrey was a PERFECT example that proves some of his points were very wrong.
@Sandeep Mehta Ranvir too.
And ofcourse Govinda..
No
i didn't understand the creator's digs at aamir and shahrukh lol sure most of their film choices are geared to be commercial successes but they've both also shown that they have a substantial level of talent that is purely and strictly related to acting
Analyze more. You will get that some day. At least widen your spectrum other than bollywood or Hollywood. Will help a little.
@@Anonymous-mz9un uh i can and do recognize the talent that is present in every other revered actor that the creator praised in both hollywood and bollywood, there's no denying that. i'm just saying that it's a bit narrow minded to chalk off aamir and shahrukh (and even ranveer) as "bad" actors when a number of their films do a pretty great job proving otherwise. rick and korbin themselves said that most of their films are meant to be commercial and thus don't require the same level of believability (i.e. it varies by what the script demands) so picking out clips from the films that the creator probably Knows doesn't require the same "level" of acting was shallow. understanding and acknowledging that doesn't need a herculean level of analysis lol
@@clementine4412 If you rewatch Aamir was shown when he said good actor and Shahrukh when he said average actor. As an Aamir fan this stung at first. But, on more thought I realised he was speaking the truth about Aamir limiting himself to certain types of characters even though amongst the stars he is the most experimental. He does not think they are bad actors but feels that they are limiting their potential to grow. Very few people are born natural actors and even they need to learn and grow to reach greatness. That is why he is disappointed with Aamir and Shahrukh. I was a Shahrukh fan in his TV days. But, once he got into the YashRaj KJo bandwagon, he got himself terribly type-cast.
@@EagleOverTheSea love what u said about them being brilliant actors but limiting their potential to grow!!!! 100% agree
@@EagleOverTheSea what are the certain types of character? Dilip kumar was know for his tragedy roles but it doesn't mean he was playing safe . Shahrukh Khan was not typecast you can say it in rajpal yadav case and Govinda case but he did different roles before ddlj but after ddlj directors knew how to capitalise him and he even did occasionally different movies in his prime romantic movies but he knew what he is doing
This is my favourite channel "cinema beyond entertainment" ♥️ vinit stopped making videos but yeah but instead he gave two beautiful channel to his audience ♥️♥️♥️ thank you vinit if you ever read this..you know what actually is content ♥️♥️
Channel names?
@@irinchristian9 lemmino
Adam Westbrook
This was just taking a dig @ the Khans! SRK & Aamir have always been good!
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To me the guy was highly pretentious. You see he assumes that acting is only for serious conversation about social justice and he completely ignores that sometimes completely irreverent and non serious performances can provide analysis..just take the monty python films and other films of that type
BHojpuri industry makes a mockery of this analysis
Couldn't agree more
That scene in swades where shahrukh khan didn't say even a single dialogue and brought everyone in the theatre to tears!!!
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lol
The intro was very impressive !!!!
anyone with a functioning brain and eyes won't ever think that ranveer is a great actor. Ranbir kapoor is miles ahead of him. the best we have. whole india & worldwide movie fraternity thinks the same
I've never seen such a blatant display of hero worship of Hollywood cinema. Sure many of our stars are overrated.But it's so snobbish to think that only art film actors like Shabana, Smita,Irrfan, Nawaz and Naseeruddin have done worthy cinema.
seriously, srk is capable of doing so much, but he is just stuck in his stardom loop. I loved swadesh and dil se, even chak de but he has not done a good movie in so many years. I completely agree with the evaluation on salman, varun, arjun etc- clearly garbage acting. And priyanka, ranveer etc. are actors who sell eccentricity as great acting, they are slightly above average at best. I mean, ranveer's always portraying the same emotion in different setting - be it typical delhi boy, a ruffian in ramleela, a struggling rapper in gully boy, or even khilji - they all seem to have the same ranveer-type energy. I think ranbir and shahid are way better than ranveer in the craft, although even they are sometimes caught up in the bollywood-bubble.
Bollywood is just a lala land tryng to recreate the same success formula, in the 80s or 90s it was the action hero type movies with bachhan, deol etc. and crass slapstick comedy with govinda and others. In 2000s, it was the sappy, unrealistic, fairy-tale type, filthy rich-type love stories with srk, salman,saif, hrithik etc, barring very few gems from directors like mani ratnam, or so. It goes without saying that women in cinema till 2010 were largely just tools for men to look good, i.e. love interests.
And now, although hindi films have progressed maybe a little bit with actors like irfaan (gone too soon), nawaz, manoj, rajkumar, vicky, ayushman, vikrant etc.. they've still got a long way to go. In terms of everything, script, acting, cinematography and the biggest of all ORIGINALITY (stop making re-makes please!!!!)
Granted, the mediocre movies get remembered over the years more often, but gems exist in every decade. If you watch enough Hindi movies you are apt to see one or two movies in every decade which are critically acclaimed as well as popular with the audience. To put it in simple words dig deep. If you think that women in Hindi cinema were props you need to watch movies from the 50s with Waheeda Rahman(and not just the overrated Guru Dutt ones). That woman could teach our current heroines a lot about sticking to her guns(She refused to change her name. She insisted on wearing only costumes she was comfortable in) and acting in sensible cinema(I don't mean just art cinema here). That said I like the direction Hindi films are taking these days.
I liked your comment at this point. " I think ranbir and shahid are way better than ranveer in the craft, although even they are sometimes caught up in the bollywood-bubble".
Totally agree with this!!!
@Vader RaVan lol
@Vader RaVan lol🤣
@Vader RaVan lol your opinion😛
Korbin - Ranveer is a terrible excuse for an actor..just open your eyes already
Wrong
@@KorbinMiles never found him believable .think he always wait for his lines.
@@KorbinMiles 🤦🏾♀️ you need an intervention...STAT
Ranveer is an awesome actor
@@Pk_1911 lol. Hell no. He's a painfully average actor😂
This video is biased..
Not properly described of actor skills.
Mainly Shahrukh Khan..
If we even watch his filmography than its enough to say >>>
omg i just rewatched the gallan goodiyan reaction today the intro threw me offskjhs
Everyone Acting so natural.Superb guys reacted so nice.one of my favourite RUclips channel.always supports your channel.love from Kerala❤️
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that video just explained me the difference of good acting and depth of acting, very good, particularly with the example of ratnaji's scene with the other actor
Rajat Kapoor.
@@EagleOverTheSea i see
Sometimes audience don't expect a performer to be a great actor(e.g SRK), they enjoy the way they overact and perform averagely. His presence is enough. I just hope he gets better director to work with.
@Sandeep Mehta i never said he is a great actor. I said people don't expect him to be a great actor and enjoys the way he act. Read it again.
@Sandeep Mehta I think you are trolling at this point .😂
@Sandeep Mehta "unbiased " lol
@Sandeep Mehta yeah , I am clearly convinced .😂
@Sandeep Mehta 😂ok
looks like this guy skipped watching aamir in Fanaa, Earth 1947, Rangeela, Ghulam, Raakh, Secret Superstar etc
Looks like you also skipped when he said that Aamir is a good actor and the only thing that is stopping Aamir Khan from becoming a great one is his choices. He mostly chooses characters with a moral high ground as Vinit said.
Exactly what anvesh said...choices is one of major factors of an individual actor. It doesn't make up if u do 1/2 movies out of track compared to 10/20 commercial movies....
@Blue Gender Aditya is not saying that you have to make great films to be a great actor. A great actor is the one who takes risks. Those risks don't have to pay off but just the act of taking them shows how much you wanna push the boundaries and how much you care about the art and craft of acting instead of choosing the same kind of generic films. Talent to make risky and daring choices is what makes you different from others who are just following the path laid out by someone else. People will go to every Brando film to see what he did in those films and probably he was one of the best things in those films.
@Blue Gender Movies are not made by the actor alone. Director is the captain and writer is the engine. And then sound designers, costume designers, production, cinematographer, editor and producers. So many factors are at play when you are making a film. What budget you are getting, how much time you are getting etc an actor is not responsible if a film goes wrong. What an actor is responsible for is the acting itself. Again the choices doesn't mean choosing films or characters, they also mean choosing acting techniques and how they are implemented. You are right at saying that choices are not enough to judge an actor's worth but you are wrong at saying that we should consider the final product. We should consider the performance and the choices and that's it. Believablity, vulnerability, unpredictability, ability to listen and use of body language and voice. All of this is in the hands of an actor and she and she alone is responsible for it. Her risky choices will help push the boundaries of her acting abilities and the boundaries of cinematic characters as well. But if the movie fails, it's okay because there is no art without risk. And SRK's risks are all calculated to include what he wants and what he thinks the audience wants and that's why those choices are bad because he is still stuck in fan servicing instead of serving the character and the story.
Bhai har baar social message wali film hi hoti h bollywood jitna message pe focus krta h utna agar screenplay ya story pe focus krle toh kya faad movies bnayenge hum aamir khan kabhi bhi psycho ka role nhi kr skta agar koi korean cinema pasand krta h toh I saw the devil dekhi hi hogi aur oldboy dekhi hogi Choi min sik played both roles versitality at its best.....
A very biased, preachy kinda video. From everyone they showed onscreen, we have all seen good movies from them, some greater n more versatile than others. What a boring tepid world to have such a specific kind of acting. N about loud acting - most Indians are expressive slightly loud folks n our actors /actresses represent that side of the world. There was a time when serious cinema was viewed with scepticism and disdain (few appreciated them and only later did most come to realize its intrinsic value) We need all kinds of actors and most get to a better state than they were through trial n error (not many have their choice of movies because of their financial status and their place in the industry in their initial years n for some even later on). This kind of video is necessary to view in order to ascertain the kind of bias the makers have towards the film industry.
It’s definitely biased, but I also think it’s important because it teaches you many important themes about great acting. I don’t agree with everything, including having every role be portrayed realistically, but it’s a great informative video
@@pennyomega7421 Informative yes where it's accurate 🙏
Doing loud acting is an art ,great actors have range in over the top acting. If you see Govinda , Amitabh Bachchan,Sanjay dutt,paresh rawal , Rajpal Yadav etc who can be big and grounded, believable at the same time where if you see srk he is just seems overact in over the top acting,loud voice that's why overacting word so attached to him like when people say about him they say he overacts
@@KrishanKumar-ec1ch 🙏👍
My two most absolute favourites are Naseer ji and Shabana ji. I have enjoyed every Irrfan film. And not only are they legends but extremely honest artists. However, I would have to say, like Rick mentioned, acting is an extremely broad subject and area. First off, I don't think anybody has understood performing arts/acting if they end up making reductive comparisons in the way it was shown in the video. Overall, it was a v nice video and I agree with most of it. But it was extremely reductive
Happy new year 🎊 guys lost of love from India 🇮🇳 keep growing 👍
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Bollywood stars choose scripts in which character is on moral high ground,its their necessity. They think their image in real life will be based on what they show on reel life. Aamir is criminal on this,in his long illustrated career he hasn't done a character with dark shade not even a single role. Shahrukh well he had to do them initially as he was an outsider and salman well for him it doesn't matter because everytime he's on screen he's Salman Khan not the character he's playing.
Actors being stuck in their crutches,it's so true for Shahrukh, Shahrukh was in front of his contemporaries in acting department,he could really emote. But as he got successful bollywood ruined him,he got stuck in his image and crutches. He still can pull off a performance of he can let go of his perceived stardom.
Wrong watch earth 1947 amir ne esa character bhi kiya he jo moral high ground pe stand nahi karta
That's why when srk did different like swadesh , Ashoka, badshah even it s commercial great comedy movie but failed,paheli etc are flopped.same with amitabh bachchan in 70's if do realistic movie that failed because in that time people also want good movie with the star in their expectations and same with salman in today time swaggy man ,bad good boy which fullfill fans requirements
@@Shahbaz7771khan I haven't seen the film but looking at director must be a good movie. Look I must have made a extreme generalization when I said he didn't do single movie with darker shade but even you could just come up with just one name and that too which isn't a mainstream movie as such. Don't you see this pattern in these bollywood superstars, Shahrukh was really different in this sense but he too once he became superstar made way to this trend. Ranveer seems to break this norm. Somehow these stars felt compelled to good guys so that audience perceives them as such in real life. Salman's whole career is based on playing larger than life good guy personas. How could you deny this fact?
@@rohitsonone6497 no they are superstars of 90s bro the era of romcom both in holly and bollywood tum khali abhi k perspective se dekh rahe ho abhi mathod acting ka zamana aya he isliye tumhe wo achhe nahi lagenge but wo superstar by chance nahi he in my opinion amir has changed the flow of Bollywood movies in my opnion he is good actor pehle bollywood me acting ki defination alag thi us daur ke ye actor he to wo us time k hisab se top pe the they were best in their time and us time pe bhi method acting thi naseer saheb om puri were there but unko koi nahi puchhta tha because i already told u k romcom and overthe top emotions ka era tha so i disagree k wo khali apni image k vajah se top pe he abhi bhi amir ki almost sari movie achhi bhi hoti he 3 idiots ,gazani, and dangal and tare zameen par pk i loved all they very good movie and very good acting done by him ye mera opinion he and me kisi faltu youtube channel ke 5 minite k video se apna opnion nahi banata me us time ke is time ke situations and u dnt know about much amir bro fanna, atank hi atank and dhoom 3 all are negative and dark roles
@@Shahbaz7771khan agreed
Best intro I've ever seen on the channel 😆😆❣️❣️
The only problem - indian audience is immature here cinema is perceived just a medium for entertainment. it will take time
I'm not a professional in arts but I still always say most popular actors in India are just average. And that includes Aamir and Amitabh too.
@Sandeep Mehta if I'm saying Aamir and Amitabh and Aamir are average actors, it obviously means SRK is below that
Lol what a joke
What? How you can say Amitabh Bachchan an average actor? Ok naseeruddin Shah said Amitabh Bachchan is a great actor now whom you will beleive the video maker who didn't even put me Bachchan or a Thespian. Amitabh Bachchan is the inspiration of nawaz ,Manoj Bajpai . He is the actor whom people consider god along with Dilip Kumar, naseeruddin Shah. Also by saying most in Indian cinema that show your love for foreign actors . Now I will give you the dozen names of bad actors who are the a list actors in Hollywood
Your videos of India make you famous.
Good luck😊
Did you watch any of the Smita Patil movies?
They need to be introduced to her asap.
Please explore smita patil and naseeruddin shah and shabana azmis movies directors like shyam benegal this is what real indian cinema is all about even guru dutt movies like saheb bibi aur ghulam
Effortless and Ease: pankaj, irfan & co maybe good.
But Mohanlal is the ultimate definition of natural, effortless and easy acting. You are yet to explore that territory.
Irrfan Khan is the best and the greatest effortless indian actor of all time
Well effortless word is attached with Irrfan
1947 Earth and Raakh Aamir played grey shade. In Fanaa also .
Very one dimensional video and sort of snooty...people should stop picking on popular actors just for the sake of it..both Amir Khan and Ranveer Singh are fantastic at their craft..
Really? 😀
Like really??amir is good..but ranveer is 🥴
What he said is so correct about ranveer..he always sells his eccentricity in the name of acting..I later realized that
@@musiclife-uz5gc but he is not eccentric on screen is he?what he wants to do in his personal life is his own business. I think he is pretty damn good at what he does and people sometimes overlook that due to his flamboyance.. just my opinion..
@@sharisasidharan935 personally I never find ranveer a great actor
This youtuber is highly biased against Priyanka Chopra
And Shahrukh Khan
@Ronnie Jacob Get a life if you thought this was trigger reaction.. I'm only talking about Priyanka and not the rest of them
Priyanka is an average actor
That guy definitely doesn't like srk
😅
Ranveer has done some good movies but that doesnt make him great actor. I guess Gully Boy was ur first Indian movie trailer and movie you saw in which he did good acting and you got smitten by him . But believe me he has done some shitty movies with equally shitty acting . He is occasionally a good actor and rest of the time he is just flat.
If Gully Boy is considered by any standard a good movie in terms of acting, we have hit another high standard of MEDIOCRITY.
@@tantrik_indian1449 i didnt watched it. But these firangis liked it. I dont like Ranveer though
He never were gr8. Just OTT and bland.
Gully boy is so overrated ... Vijay Varma is a better actor than Ranvir any day ... that’s how it will be, Good looking mediocrity trouncing average looking versatility and claiming “best actor” awards ... shrug!!!
@@princeraj8089 Good looking?😂😂
I was expecting a reference to Mohanlal's performace somewhere in this video.. but this included only bollywood actors.. most of them as we know are now just showpieces
Me too
Maybe that guy only Watched Hollywood and Hindi Movies only.
They completely didn't recognize Naseeruddin Shah in most scenes 😁
Korbin is indeed a very good listener..... A question - why is it when you talk about great acting or name actors who are really good you only name male actors?
they praise vidya/aish/priyanka/alia all the time. special mentions always to tabu as they saw her work before the channel started. its sad that there arent many good women oriented mainstream stories.. but they do know decent amount
@@niteshbhasin2884 Yes, but they're the only ones. I've noticed this trend too, where their PRIMARY focus then switches to the MALE actors. I guess they see male actors as the default (subconscious bias)
Oh I wish this video went on for hours! Not the video you reacted to but just you two talking about acting!!! I just love how immersed you two become when it comes to acting and I just love you two talking about it in as much detail as possible!!!! ❤️
One of the actresses heavily featured in this video was Smita Patil. I don't know if you have been introduced to her work yet, but she's definitely one of THE BEST actresses to have ever graced the silver screen. She was one of the most accomplished and respected actresses in Hindi cinema. Some of her movies to look out for would be Mirch Masala (1985), Arth, Mandi, Bhumika etc.
First time agreeing with Rick 100 percent
I'm glad you discovered Cinema Beyond Entertainment. I wish he would continue making the videos
One request from you guys, please add the link to original video in your description plz
For this video, you can check channel Cinema Beyond Entertainment.
@@TheDeeps369 yeah we can always search the title and it will give the results but having a link in the description is somewhat more convenient and it is a nice thing to do in order to give a shout out to the original content.
I would also suggest to add the original channel link along side the video link but just video link is kinda a must have thing
I agree with you. I was trying to give an interim solution. Sorry, I shouldn’t have commented as your comment was for the OSR.
@@TheDeeps369 I mean it isn't your fault no need to say sorry 😅
And sorry if my reply came out as aggressive, I am just annoyed today for unrelated reasons
@@Kislay11 I hope things get better for you soon. What you had suggested is valid, and I am surprised that OSR hadn’t done it in the first place. I got to know about CBE channel in the comment section of one of @ricksegall ‘s video. I thought I should do my bit to continue the chain of good deeds 😃
Salman Khan is also an effortless actor, but unlike Irrfan he doesn't put in the effort!
😂😂😂 bruh he literally can't act
Well salman is a actor who always maintain subtlety whether he acts or not . He never overacts whether he does comedy anything
No Rick it was not improv in the Godfather 2....it was in the character and the script
Dude is an extremist in the world of acting and considers only a certain style of acting as great. I understand why he is an extremist in that sense but it's not plausible. Audience don't want only a particular kind of movie, they also want entertainment and escape from the reality. In such movies, actors acting all like real normal people will be boring. Of course, what he said about showing the image of society to society itself is a great responsibility of every actor that they are bound to but that image they portray and show should be understandable by the audience otherwise it is the actor's fault, no matter how great his acting skills are.
The video is actually very good but it has its fair share of biases. There are several points that highlight that.
The selection of movies to make is points for example. He conveniently shows all the over the top SRK moments but fails to show scenes like in Swades.
His comment about Ranveer using his eccentricities is negating his own point of actors trying to channel their own personalities in the character they are playing. Personally, I didnt like Ranveer's portrayal of Bajirao Peshwa. But he made it something of his own and I accepted it.
The point he makes about actors and art having the responsibility to hold a mirror to the society is something I fundamentally disagree with. No one SHOULD have that responsibility. Societies dont function and change that way.
All in all he makes good points but needs to be taken with a pinch of salt
I don't think he has biases. SRK has done great acting in Swades and Chak De India and Baazigar but you can count them on your fingers. Infact Vinit has made an entire video essay on Swades. It's on the channel you should check it out. But most SRK movies have over the top acting so you can't say that he is a great actor just because he did Swades because you are failing to recognise all the other movies like Jab Harry Met Sejal, Happy new year, Raees, Kal ho na ho, kabhi khushi kabhi gham, Don, Don 2 and so many others. His portfolio contains very little swades and a lot of fan service. And these are all the movies he has selected. Nobody has pushed him to do these films. So he his responsible for his own choices. And talking about Ranveer, if you seriously think that personality is how you behave in front of people than you need to understand that it's not how you behave but what you do. And you have seen Ranveer in front of cameras, it's not like you are his best friend and you know everything about him, everyone is pretending in front of cameras so you can't know what he is like in real life. Using his eccentricities for the character is wrong because it's not serving the story but it's serving his fans. Vinit is completely right about that point. And I see you also 'fundamentally' disagree with his point of actors holding the mirror upto the society. I don't understand on which fundamental do you disagree because he never said that this is how societies function. Although if you look at the history of art you will be surprised to know that how much society functions and change based on art. After all they say that society inspires the art and art inspires the society.
I do think that vineet isn't being bias. It's not about any actor's whole life performance. It's just he gave few of examples for the point he wants to convey. Having said that, everyone has their opinion. I personally think some of amitabh's performance were over the top while few are very brilliant. And I think same would be case for all the actors.
@@shvenanaij You have made some great points. I have watched all of Vinit's videos before. And I like the guy. I just disagree on a few things
I am no big fan of any 'stars'. Just a disclaimer. But speaking of SRK, you are right to point out that he has very few Swades like films in his portfolio. He has made some pretty bad decisions. But it's not that he hasn't experimented. The public doesn't accept him in certain roles thus he tends to stick to a certain role and image. After all its a marketplace and he has to sell what people want to buy
I don't have any disagreements with you on you comments on Ranveer Singh. I expressed my opinions in my earlier comment.
On the society comment. I disagree with you. I believe society and art mirror in a very spontaneous way. No one 'has' to purposefully set out to change anything. As one person's version of a society can turn into a dystopia for someone else. Society functions on the balance of individual idiosyncrasies. Thus I don't feel anyone 'has' to something to change things for the better. I believe if we are true to our art or work and do our best in it, society gets influenced anyway. Bill gates has changed more lives with Microsoft than he has with his foundation but her didn't set out to change the world. He set out to create a software that everyone could use. Gutenberg press was not invented to democratise knowledge. It was invented to print and sell more bibles. The invention was good enough that the society rearranged around it organically.
I believe you get my point. I am not against change but nobody 'has' to bear the entire responsibility.
@@shivamrai2807 True. For all the great performances of Nawaz, he has done Munna Michael. It's up to what the creator wants to make and sell.
@@ninadk30 I think you have misunderstood what Vinit meant when he said that an actor should put the mirror upto the society. Because I don't think he meant that you have to create art to change society, I think he meant you have to create a piece of art which the audience can reflect upon, where they can see themselves. And now that you have explained your point, I understand that you and Vinit are saying the same thing where an artist should be true to her art so that audiences can relate or reflect or have a revelation about something. I hope that's what Vinit meant. If he didn't meant that then me and you are saying the same thing. About the SRK thing, I agree that he experimented but he never experimented with his acting style because even in movies like Fan where it's a big risk he still does all the things that a SRK movie should do. Basically he checks all the boxes he should as a star. That happened even in Zero. And I agree that it's a marketplace and he has to sell what audiences want to buy but nobody is forcing him to make the biggest box office blockbusters. Again he wants to break his previous box office record because he wants to be famous or something. He can easily make a small film for a certain audience and make his money but he tries to balance both what he wants and what audiences want in the same film and he ends up with a Raone or Fan or Zero where the box office is disappointing and the artistic merit is also disappointing. He should do films where he can actually flex his acting muscles because he has it in him but he doesn't and that's why he is an average actor. But still he is way better than Salman Khan 😂. Also a side note: it's just a stupid side note 😂 but I think with Microsoft he changed the world not people's lives but with his foundation he is actually changing people's lives more intimately. Atleast that's what I got from his annual letters 😅
I cannot believe that philip Seymour Hoffman or joaquin Phoenix did not win Oscar for the master.
Well they were up against Daniel Day Lewis that year
Because other won
Korbin you need to agree Amir is not a great actor. His scripts are gud but as an actor he is average.
Then i think great actors choose bad scripts to show how how much they are great😌. Even ayushman choose good script but he is not in the league of Ranbir , Rajkumar Rao,ranveer.
Rick is a bad listener and he acts like he is some messiah of acting
Salman is not a bad actor, he is just HORRIBLE. Aamir is not a great actor...he is just very smart and only choses those scripts where he has moral leverage and also hide his drawbacks/flaws.
This is just a stupid things attached to Amir that's he chooses amazing scripts and that's why people say him he is so great🤦
I don't skip ads on genuine channels like yours..
I relly like these videos they are reacting to, videos about film and the artform
and i hope they do more of these
Check out the original channel Cinema Beyond Entertainment for more. I am not sure OSR will react to everything since not all of their audience is interested in learning about cinema.
@@EagleOverTheSea thank u
You have favouritism or bias for bollywood stars and always defend them... seriously korbin i always thought u r sensible... ranveer, amir may be their choice of films are great... i have never been impressed by their acting skills... soo rethink of u r over defending skills.... and be open to something great
You are wrong
@@KorbinMiles u and jaby are the only 2 reaction channels i follow... i follow u regularly... so there might be a possibility its true... just rethink of it.. u r followers might be right in something ... never ignore that... love u korbin.
Just watch two movies of the actor - Tilakan.
1. Perumtachan
2. Mookilla-rajyathu
Best intro ever!!!!!!!!.....
Please watch DDLJ please
Mohanlal and thilakan are masters in acting
Yup, mohanlal is in the list of "best actors in the world"
Al -Mallus
One thing I dislliked about this video (not the reaction but the video itself) is the "educating" tone that it intended to adopt. Don't educate the audience. The audience are the paying customers. They know exactly what they want to see and what would entertain them. After a hard week's work I, personally, would prefer a Ranveer over a Nawaz, any time of the year. Loved how Korbin put it quoting Harrison Ford ... lol. Thats what it is all about. At the end of the day money will run the show and money comes from paying customers. As of now paying customers in India will pay for Salman more than they would for Nawaz. That's just the way it is and always has been. You cannot "educate" an entire nation of at least 400 million potential viewers, change their tastes and then hope that they will watch, what you call, "good cinema". That's not how industries work. Take any industry. If you don't cater to the existing tastes of the customers you will go out of business.
The channel is about discussing the nuances of the art of cinema. So, it has an educational tone for a reason. Explore the channel before forming opinions.
@@EagleOverTheSea This is a reaction channel. They (Rick and Korbin) watch stuff and react and express opinions. This is not an art class. I have been following this channel since Feb 2019. And my comment was not on this channel, it was on the video that they reacted to. That video had an "educational" tone which I disliked. Even Rick and Korbin did not agree with everything said in the video. That video was desperately trying to create an opinion instead of only stating facts. If it hadn't, then every time the narrator said "garbage acting " or "bad actors" they would not have shown Salman or Varun on the screen. That video reeked of anti-incumbancy and anti-establishment.
My thing is simple. If you don't cater to the tastes of the audience you are no good. Period. In today's world customer decides quality. That video was trying to create an opinion that Salman or Varun or Kareena cannot act and are where they are only because of their contacts and influence. May be they *are* great actors and choose not to use their talent fully because that is not what the customers want. May be Salman can act much better than Nawaz but we haven't had a chance to see that side of Salman. And for this reason I disliked the video that was reacted to in this episode of OSR because it was trying to be unnecessarily pedantic and highly opinionated. If you want to talk art, discuss theatre or Indian classical music or henri matisse or ansel adams or cartier-bresson. Bollywood is the last thing you will discuss as art and then keep cribbing about it. (Bade aaye art shikhanewaale !! (sarcasm intended :D))
@Ronnie Jacob well Nawaz and other realistic cinema actors are household name but others are genuinely the superstar,part of Indian pop culture because they have some different thing which they like about them . Joaquin phoenix joker is a big commercial success ,he is respected but it doesn't mean he has the same following ,love like Dwayne Johnson,Kevin hart,Chris Hemsworth,RDJ ,Brad Pitt or box office like Tom cruise movies . Audience loves to see Nawaz but they want to see different movies
Djso H Finally some one understood this. Thank you for elaborating. What is the big problem of our Indian audience is that they limit themselves with genres which in foreign countries you don't get to see. What I am saying is if you observe you will realize that Indian people who loves thriller, action movies tends to hate romantic and comedy movies (not all) they are tend to stuck with that style and genre they love and don't want to accept and appreciate other genres which have every right to co-exist(ex: "I hate typical romantic Bollywood movies cause I'm cool") . Even smart youtubers like Shwetabh tend to do this stupidity I still don't understand why. Now compare our Indian audience with US or any foreign audience. They love to watch movies like avengers, mission impossible, star wars, godzilla, john wick, on the other hand they also love movies like Aviator, Catch me if you can, Lincoln, No country for old man, Godfather, Silence of the lambs and accept all these genres, appreciate all the actors in these movies and their performances.Yes they are very serious about quality in a movie but they are not stuck in the "Genre trap" like Indian audience. If my statement is wrong than just see the list of the blockbuster movies of past 30 years. 95% of them are from romantic or action genres. Movies like tummbad and bhavesh joshi superhero usually gets lost in this "genre trap" like forever.
Liv Ullman and Marcelo Mastroianni🖤
I can listen to you 2 talk about acting, for hours!
Ranveers entire filmography is eccentric characters except Gully Boy.
Such truthful video !!
Why is rick always so angry , always looking for criticisms more than the good
Please interview Nasiruddin shah🙏
Me : varun dhawan always overacts in
His movies
Varun dhawan : Go and watch badlapur
Fans and October
Me : Go and watch anatomy of great
Actor by cinema beyond
Entertainment 😒
People will remember badlapur for nawazuddin and the storyline
@@dchoudhury3071 no in remeber for both of acting. Because of some bad choices , acting especially in coolie no people are so biased towards badlapur for nawaz. Even some idyts will say he overacted in kalank.ha ha ha
@@KrishanKumar-ec1ch I respect your opinion
I agree with most of the examples stated in Vinit's video. I grew up watching a lot of Hindi films and used to feel that the Khans and other top Bollywood stars are in fact good actors. But as my exposure to world cinema increased, the way I interpret an effective performance also underwent a change. "In your face" acting with enhanced expressions and chewing up the scenery with overbearing presence are the two issues that I find problematic in mainstream Bollywood actors. This case is especially true for Shah Rukh. If one considers his legacy, there aren't many films which still feel fresh over repeat views - except maybe for a Swades or a Chak de, where he had shed the stardom and became aligned with the character. Otherwise, his characters always felt like an extension of himself - the romantic charmer like all of his Dharma or Yashraj characters. Aamir is somewhat more experimental, but still plays safe with character selection. I do disagree with Ranveer's criticism for Ram Leela, as Rick also mentioned, it was what that movie's universe called for. But as Vinit indirectly points out, even Ranveer and Varun from today's generation of actors are average at best. Mainstream Bollywood employs very little craft and innovation, and this approach has extended to actors who seem to be playing the same role over and over in different guises. The audience, may be due to lack of exposure to better content, considers it as "good" and this behavior and rather unworthy praise fools the actors into believing that this mediocrity is in fact "good". With OTT, I hope this trend changes and we get to see more diverse characters which are memorable.
Finally, a sensible comment! You hit the nail on the head with "lack of exposure". That is precisely the problem with a lot of audiences in India. Especially the kind who are not comfortable even watching Indian content beyond their known languages.
@@EagleOverTheSea even the two hosts of this channel aren't sophisticated with World cinema, they lack exposure too.
Honestly, these are rather biased people pretending to be sitting on judgment chairs because...they are actors apparently.
It kind of bugs me that this Rick guy was literally preparing to disagree throughout the video, and ofcourse after it got over.
Their treatment to films and acting that they spoke of in the discussion was rather surface level. Stating points like 'Effortlessness', which Is something that comes handy with an actor, it's not something one trains himself for.
And yes, they took the point about voice adaptation in a literal sense and not as an example to explain something broad in a 7 minute long video.
I wouldn't really take the words from these chaps seriously....
Well the legacy is about the shahrukh khan movies . Overseas non NRI audience loves his the Dharma,yrf movies . Like a Malaysian tweet if there is srk movie on tv ,it is begin to trend on twitter . Swades is a cult but audience doesn't watch again and again his swades even chak de india but k3g,ddlj, mainstream movie who gave him the larger than life image. It is not about the character selection but what's in that . Dilip kumar was known for his tragedy roles but it doesn't mean he was playing safe
@@god1770 every actor has their own factor like Irrfan khan effortless , that's word attached with him . Every actors say that when Dilip Kumar takes pauses that's the best thing to watch
The have showed clips of two of the greatest Indian ctressesses which you haven't even yet introduced to. Smita Patil, and shabana azmi (Tabu's aunt)
I 100% agree to what he say's in the video. Let's say Ranveer Singh's character in "Bajirao Mastani" is Eccentric (where in there was no need to be). Portraying the same in all the films is not good acting. it's just lack of skills.
Despite some valid points, this doesn't take cultural expectations into account. A lot of the things he said are "bad" are actually what provoke the heart strings of Indian audiences and are very appropriate for our films and/or that time period. There seems to be a bias against any person who has become a commercial success in favor of intimate or artistic films, confusing film style preference for an objective standard of acting. The biggest pitfall was not acknowledging that even within commercial acting there can be great diversity. All the Khans have a similar career trajectory and yet you can dislike one and love another for vastly different reasons. At the end, a lot of it does come down to the actor's preference and end goal should be performance fits the film like Rick and Korbin said.