anyone else noticed that urglegurgle is deliberately missing the point that the EV shills and surveys all state that 97 % plus EV Owners will not go back to a petrol or diesel, when in fact its obvious that is a lie, as 50 % of EVs coming up for sale are less than a few months old, and many have changed hands several times in just a few months, do you think they have bought another EV, no they have not and it proves that the EVMyth Shows are talking rubbish, I hope thats cleared it up for you!!
I have seen this and it seem to come from SMMT also EV sales up 58% in November. 50% of how many car in total I also think you could say that for ICE cars as well.
@@peterk2455 I call them the "a month" brigade. People who justify the endless credit for cars, phones and everything else by saying they're used to paying X so X+Y is no problem. The people who will never understand what to do when a pay cheque doesn't come next month, let alone for the next twelve.
I bought an Izuzu D-Max, it has a 12v battery and electric instrumentation. I have been selling solar since 2011 and know all about Lithium batteries, so I dont have one.
Addison Lee were acquired by a Singapore transport subsidiary of City-Fleet Network in October 2024. With over 5,000 vehicles they are restructuring and replacing vehicles every few months
@thomasreilly6362 London’s biggest minicab firm Addison Lee makes emissions U-turn Lack of public chargers blamed for decision to be only ‘zero-emissions capable’ by April 2024. Given up going all electric by 2023 due to poor charging infrastructure. Hence selling off some unwanted BEV's early.
@@paulnewman9275 Indeed that is a factor probably, but Addison Lee are contractors to private hire vehicles who can lease buy through the company. The parent company is looking to restructure its UK operation due to the declining demand for taxi's in the UK. There is more to this than EV and other vehicles being sold off.
@@paulnewman9275 100% ULEZ Complete The Addison Lee fleet meets the Euro standards (for vehicle and emission types) to travel within the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog That's a good one, but many people are like that. Kinda like overspending by tens of thousands on an EV so you can save a few quid a week and look smart lol. EV's have a place, just not at my home right now.
Compared a Tesla model S, to a Alfa romeo giulia quadrifoglio, same price 2019 model, similar performance. Worked out over a year Tesla £450 more expensive too run....For that small amount I.ll stick with petrol/diesel vehicles...
@@barriewilliams4526 because it’s cheaper to lease a brand new one under a Salsac scheme where you get 42% off the lease price and pay no VAT either. Why would anyone buy used when they can get that? Also imagine the volume of used cars coming from those schemes.
Because they have watched those idiots, actors and Con Men on TV telling Fibs, Big ones, you know who they are, plus they read all the LIES and fall for the B.S., If people could only think for themselves.
I bought a brand-new MG 5, the price at the dealership was way in excess of £30,000, and at the cheaper end of the EV price range comparing other EV car makers at the time. I have just ended the agreement early and handed the car back with no penalty as I had paid well over half the original purchase price. I was pretty ticked off that they reduced the price from around £33,000 to £23,000 which made me feel like I'd been ripped off, plus the depreciation was catastrophic. The car is now worth less than the remaining finance that was on it, so the finance company can take the loss. I'm now back to using my diesel, and a lot happier. No way will I buy another. I hate to think the losses being incurred by owners of more expensive brands.
Thank you Barrie and A Happy New year, people don't like the truth mate and they definitely don't believe a "Second-hand car Salesman!" (My Dad was one 😘) It's just common sense, if you can charge at home have one, there is no point selling an EV to a man witout a plug socket.
These people who lease then dump the car in a few months are really taking a bath, they have to Hate that EV, most lease / ICE people do not dump a car so quickly, many run the full term.
I do wish manufacturers wouldn't put iconic nameplates on the back of these ridiculous EVs. The only Quattro worthy of the name is the one driven by Gene Hunt. Enough with this sacrilege.
Hi Barrie, love the latest video again, regarding the ladies you’ve spoke about who had done 48,000 miles in a Nissan leaf, has anyone actually worked out how long that car would’ve been on charge to get that mileage? I I bet it’s a real eye-opener 👍
@@Andy-e8n7gThere’s always one on payroll, whatever the time of day or night. Pssst. Has nobody told you yet that the entire underlying rationale for EVs is a lie? Don’t be a muppet.
@@GT380man Just pointing out that it's worked well for me with the convenience of charging at home. Still a bit of life left in the car and looking forward to doing the same with my second EV purchase.
In my old job we had a Nissan Leaf as a fleet car. Everyone hated it, it kept breaking down, we dubbed it, the Nissan grief. It would be in charge all night, you would get in and the telemetry tells you you have 100 kilometres, I'm in Australia, begin to drive down the street and now the telemetry days 60 kilometres. It was originally advertised as a 180 kilometres car, total BS. Anyone telling you they're great is lying.
@7s29 good'ay.. looks like you bought a dud. I've done no routine servicing on my leaf except for cabin filter and wipers etc. myself. When I last changed the fronts the guy noticed the pads were low so I changed them at a garage with the discs as a precaution but it had done 120k miles at the time.
Highway Code recommends a 15 minute break every 2 hours. Maximum distance you can theoretically legally travel in that time is 140 miles. 15 minute charge using a Tesla supercharger equates to 175 mile range. So if driving according to Highway Code recommendations then there is no real sitting around waiting to charge. EVs have satnav and do the planning for you.
@@urglegurgle5807 In a perfect world! Chargers can be broken or don't work at full speed, or just occupied, and if you don't have a Tesla you are really playing the lottery game trying to charge Add to this higher prices than ICE cars pay for fuel if you don't charge at home.
If EVs were great then garages would not have to ration petrol cars, EVs would t be piling up at the docks and dealers, EVs wouldn’t be flooding the market with “delivery” miles, EVs wouldn’t need 0% interest (Mercedes) manufacturers wouldn’t be closing factories due to demand (vw/audi) etc etc etc. Porsche would be falling over themselves to get every Taycan back to resell due to the demand! they only benefit those that get a BIK and people who pretend that their EV is saving them money on fuel and tax when they’re handed £10ks over in deposits or finance agreements…. Those of us with old petrol and diesel will keep them for years, our costs will rise but they’ll be a little cheaper than financing an EV.
What a load of b/s , currently have a Nissan leaf ( 9 years old with battery state of health of 90%) insurance is around £320 with breakdown cover, looking at buying a used model Y , as a big chunk of the depreciation has already happened, insurance for is only £580 , fully comp with breakdown cover, baring it mind it does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds . Plenty of EV batteries well over 200,000 miles now and examples over 400,000 miles. Average warranty on an Ice car is 5 years or 60,000 miles , most Ice cars in the UK are scrapped around 125,000 miles . Average warranty on EVs 8 years or 100,000 miles some of Tesla's EVs are 125,000 miles warranty. I love people who comment on things they know absolutely nothing about!
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog these EV’s may be quick with their acceleration, but they soon get stuck behind the general traffic flow. How impressive 😂. Of course, on the motorways/dual carriageway they are busy massaging their remaining battery charge in the ‘slow lane’. 🐢
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog what are you talking about, it's just there if I need it, I ain't that bothered about the 0-60 , it's just one of the safest and most efficient EVs , but we all know there are times a bit of power comes in handy. My boy racing days are behind me .
I drive a ten year old Toyota IQ, annual running costs for my wife and I, £0 road tax, fully comp insurance, mot and fuel to around £1 a day. Give me something that matches that and I will happily change.
There’s people commentating on other RUclips videos who are obviously EV fanboys, they say anything to justify their purchase, they deny the environmental destruction caused by the mining of the elements needed to produce batteries, they deny the cost implications of buying these heaps of scrap, quite funny really…oh and I expect to get a slagging off or other spurious claims made in favour of EVs for my comment…😂😂😂
Hi Lee, this is my story, I was a diesel company car driver for many years before getting a petrol hybrid which I charge consistently (cost's 80p per night on our tariff and gets 30 miles) and over the last year have averaged 68mpg saving me hundreds of pounds in BIK and private fuel costs. Last year we needed to replace my wife's aging petrol car and spent hours researching lease deals and ended up going for a BEV costing a little over £300 a month. Charging at home costs £80 less than petrol a month, no VED or MOT, saving £260 (compared to the old car) and the first service cost £120 (compared to the last service on the old car that was £220), insurance was £80 more so overall it'll cost effectively £1240 les a year to run than the old car. It's leased so I am not concerned about depreciation. You bring up the issue of environmental destruction by the mining of rare earth elements. Well I'm sure you're aware they're also used in the petrochemical industry for refining diesel and petrol and all research suggests the whole life environmental impact of an ICE is greater that a BEV, and remember, the batteries will likely be recycled or repurposed and the end of the cars life. Call me a fanboy evangelist and all the other terms I see, I just think I'm being pragmatic. Barrie certainly has a bee in his (ICE) bonnet
@@GeoffSlack You where doing alright until you talked about the old batteries "Likely" recycled or repurposed, I think that's a cop out t.b.h. at some point its going to be a costly recycling job, That's when EV owners should pay, Infact Id test the batteries every year much like an MOT, then the owner can pay something towards its final demise, someone has to pay to dispose of it, just like we do on Tyres, you cant expect the last owner to be stuck with that cost.
Barrie I wonder if you could give your thoughts on my musings? Could perhaps the main dealers, who are locked in these EV mandates, be approving lower credit rated customers for EV sales via their linked finance/lease provider? Like we saw with Sub Prime Mortgages, could some customers be quickly getting out of their depth with repayments, even after only a few months in? All due to the desperation of main dealers and their sister finance company for new EV sales? Just a thought because even if you hated your new EV, you would be double-crazy to accept the financial penalties of breaking the car lease! All the best.
Your thoughts are mine somthing not clicking right. £20,000 Cars 4 year old who gave these people Credit/ Finance to buy these Lemons in the first place. Barrys "Carwow" probably the tip of an iceberg . Nobody with a brain would have signed up for them . I suspect somthing misled them !!.
I agree with you. The figures don't add up. The ZEV Mandate won't happen, or if it does, then the UK car dealerships will go bankrupt and then the government will bail them out, does this sound familiar?
If and its a big IF they are buying another car then maybe their garage /dealer just does not want them as trade ins. Or perhaps its their dealer who are wanting rid ASAP
I am very interested on what Barry has picked up on . Would also to follow up as to what happens to these EVs . Do they get sold ? What is the Financial Loss these people take. Somthing not clicking in my business brain . This is just CARWOW ....How big is the problem!!.
There are only two real reasons people bail put of long term finance agreements only a few months in: 1) can't afford it. Either a change in circumstances such as loss of work, or didn't budget properly from the outset. 2) the car; they hate it, or it simply isn't up to the task in hand. Either way, the finance company earns a lot, and they lose a lot.
There's also the reality that they are just burning money with EVs. Not even sure the finance companies are making much in the process as the whole system requires that cars don't loose 30% in 6 months.
Barrie, 2nd request, please turn your volume up a twitch, thank you. Happy New Year to you and your family!!! Best greetings from an Englishman living in Germany. 🏴🇬🇧😎😎👍👍🍀🍀
@BarrieCrampton Probably a dinosaur of a communication device 😁😁 thanks for having the decency to answer mate. Apart from all the innings l do enjoy your down to earth and intelligent conversations regarding the electric get around vehicles. Think your small town car a pretty cool adventure, why not!!! My first car after 2 wheels, was an Only Fools and Horses tribute 😁😁😁
Just out of interest, what would an electric car be worth after a few years when the battery needs replacing? I suggest next to nothing as the battery costs as much as the car originally cost!
The evangelists tell us the battery outlasts an ICE motor and charges while you take a pee. They’re shameless. I now ignore all of them because most are lying for money.
My Tesla 3 is on 250000 miles, it’s an ex uber, battery still at 96%. It will be a while before I need worry about replacing it. Not many ICE cars make it this far without major work, all this one has had is a few sets of tyres, replaced main fuse, and some suspension work last year.
Bought a 9 year old Toyota V6 in 2014. Still own it, cost me £87 in repairs last year plus one oil change that I did myself. Not worth much now but just won't stop being reliable so I can get on and change it!! Am I going to buy an EV? Why would I?
'but just won't stop being reliable' how do you know that crystal ball or what ? its not that old in the uk 14years is the average age of scrapped car. so your still under that. please share your reg so can keep an eye on it going for ever as you say its so reliable
What I don’t get with EV drivers is they argue “Plan your journey” don’t buy a car to plan my journey buy a car to have freedom and do as I please not as the car pleases. Sure EV’s will get thee and prob by 2030-2035 then hopefully you can get about 470 miles as my old ice and take around 5 mins for another 470 miles!
Then there may be future problems when it comes to renewing your building/house insurance as I have read that some insurance companies are asking if you have an EV or charger within 7m of your house or a neighbour having an EV within 7m of your house. If this is true, then what happens if you do have a EV or charger fire and you have not informed your insurance that you have either of these, then they could say they will not validate your insurance due to not informing your house/building insurance. Let’s hope this is BS but a well known you tuber ‘McMaster’ has had a letter from his insurance house/building insurers with worrying complications.
Deluded? Have job get electric car love car, get promoted or a better job with a company car, electric company car is a no brainer, have a surplus car, sell car.. Or buy electric car, see the ridiculously good December EV lease deals that seem to happen every year, lease car and sell current car quickly
ok, tall hairy and deluded if you insist, get promoted buy electric car and watch all the extra money that you got when you were promoted disappear down the plug hole
@@BarrieCrampton This is where the delusion really kicks in. The last time this happened to us we had to sell a petrol car quickly and it was just one of those things and we accepted it took the pain and moved on. At least the people leasing an EV for what is many cases can be several hundreds of pounds a month less than they were paying on PCP will claw their losses back quickly. Your theory about all these people dumping EVs and going back to ICE cars only holds true if ICE values are currently skyrocketing (they are not). Also please consider the possibility that in many cases its possible to get a significant cash incentive when buying on finance and in quite a few of those cases the penalty for early payback is minimal and maybe smaller than the initial finance incentive - This has also been true of petrol and diesel cars in the past too. I would not be at all surprised if at least some of those cars are bought and sold by dealer contacts as a side hustle
Why?? Because people soon realise living with an EV is a lot more difficult! You have to constantly plan ahead to recharge......& constantly find the recharge points out of service or already in use. Trips that should take a few hours, can take all double the time. This gets old very very fast!
Clearly, you've never owned an ev. We've had one six months as a town car, and perhaps used a public charger 3 times. We just charge at home, it's so easy. It's a faster, quieter, cheaper, smoother car.
@gwgmail100 yeah if little trips around town is all you do & can home charge, your fine.........try taking it on long weekend holiday roadtrip & see how much you still like it!
@@billsmith281 Bill, again - you've clearly never owned an EV. Had ours a year and covered 9k miles, used a public charger twice just for the experience (far nicer experience than a fume filled petrol station TBF). Just today had post Christmas roadtrip covering 160 miles and got home with miles to spare and no anxiety. Appreciate we're lucky to be able to charge at home and pay about 2p per mile
@GeoffSlack if it's working for you, that's great, however many many people aren't having the nice experience you are, which is why they soon regret their choice & choose to get rid of it for something more practical.
In Australia, the price of second-hand Teslas seems to be keeping up. And good, low mileage EVs are cheap. But I believe this is due mainly to the cheapness and increasing range of the new EVs put on sale. The three main-selling small EVs have been competing against each other and the cost is about $10,000 less and this impacts the second-hand market. The good news is that this puts EVs within the reach of many who would not otherwise have been able to afford them and those who have EVs do not need to sell as the cars on the whole need very little servicing and age much slower than smelly cars. Other reasons for low second-hand prices are that people buy them who do not have home charging and there is also the tidal wave of media misinformation which puts most people off. We are also entering a time when EVs will be cheaper than smelly cars and the price of new EVs will keep falling. In Australian, next year, we are getting at least 50 new models.
If what is on CARWOW is representitive of EV owners . This is only the tip of an iceberg . But the " EV EVANGELISTORS" will have a B/S explanation . This "CAP" which the motor trade has allowed to dominate values needs looking at as to where and how it justifies its figures ,as for EVs it is way out on 4 year old EVs. TOO HIGH .
Have you actually *asked* anyone that will go on camera, instead of having opinions? I don’t know about other EV users but I won’t be going back to ICE. I’m no shill, but honestly, the drive is smoother, SO much cheaper, even factoring in long journeys. The only downsides are charging convenience, availability of charging outside of city centres, and speed of charging.
Well they aren't going to auction because they know they can't get that much money out of them to pay off their loans on them. So they will start sitting and decaying. How about that answer?
This is all complete BS. We've got an ev and would never go back to an ICE car. It's just a better car in every way. Its limited range is no problem in the city and the batteries that are coming in the next year or two will take care of that. We're now watching the ice car market start to crash, look at Germany, look at Nissan.
Yep trying to sell EVs and losing a fortune on each one whilst restricting the sale of ice cars that you would make profit on is bankrupting them, great example thanks for making my point 😂
Anyone else noticed that we’re slating nearly new EVs being for sale, but that most nearly new cars with low mileages are petrol cars, rather than EVs, hybrids or diesels.
anyone else noticed that urglegurgle is deliberately missing the point that the EV shills and surveys all state that 97% plus EV Owners will not go back to a petrol or diesel, when in fact its obvious that is a lie, as 50 % of EVs coming up for sale are less than a few months old, and many have changed hands several times in just a few months, do you think they have bought another EV, no they have not and it proves that the EVMyth Shows are talking rubbish, I hope thats cleared it up for you!!
You’re talking total shit. You clearly have no idea about this subject at all. These cars are clearly salary sacrifice cars where they also take out an insurance policy which means they can hand the car back if they leave the job or lose their job. This is why they are all going to auction with finance on them. Leasing companies are selling these at auction. Not private owners 😂. No private owner sends their car to auction. At worst they trade it in for a loss and roll that into the next PCP. The garage then sells the car themselves. I don’t even have an EV I have an M4 so you can’t call me a EV fan either but I work in business finance so I know the leasing model. You clearly have no idea what so ever. 😂
Sadly you just have not got a clue what you are talking about, these are private sellers entering their EV onto an suction website to sell them to dealers, if they were getting rid of a salary sacrifice EV it would be returned to the leasing company and they would enter it into an auction like BCA not Carwow 😂 but I have to congratulate you on the fact that you didn’t even accidentally get one of your points right, so 100% totally wrong on everything you stated, business finance 😂👍 keep up the good work
@ total bullshit. Nobody enters their car in to an auction website run by BCA. I’ve been buying and selling cars for 22 years and I’d never ever ever touch BCA. 99% of people wouldn’t even know how to auction their car and why would they? They have motorway and WBAC website or they can just trade it in to a dealer who will give them cap value against a new vehicle and hide the loss in their discount and at the moment the discounts on new cars are big because sales suck. You have access to a trade auction website and have managed to make a total scammy YT video series by drawing total bullshit conclusions about EVs.
@@del4668 who cares about a 2016 car? It’s nearly 9 years old now. I’ve seen Corsas with 5 owners in 7 years. I’ve seen Porsches with 9 owners in 10 years. wtf does that have to do with anything. I’m talking about the EVs with finance still on them which are not very old.
@ have a guess who owns we buy any car Matt, then perhaps you will be quiet and stop writing lies on my channel, thanks in advance on behalf of everyone who can think for themselves 👍
anyone else noticed that urglegurgle is deliberately missing the point that the EV shills and surveys all state that 97 % plus EV Owners will not go back to a petrol or diesel, when in fact its obvious that is a lie, as 50 % of EVs coming up for sale are less than a few months old, and many have changed hands several times in just a few months, do you think they have bought another EV, no they have not and it proves that the EVMyth Shows are talking rubbish, I hope thats cleared it up for you!!
I have seen this and it seem to come from SMMT also EV sales up 58% in November. 50% of how many car in total I also think you could say that for ICE cars as well.
Well it is a battery electric vehicle - the battery is the current owner.
@secondchance6603 It's because the keeper doesn't own it, the finance house does.
@secondchance6603They're all on tick. The finance company owns it, not the person who's driveway is parked on.
Imagine having doubts 30 days after you have been sold the EV, you must feel very depressed.
They used up the battery and couldn't work out how to get petrol into it
19 grand for a 4 year old jelly mould milk float? Who's paying that?
The same tools that pay 1k for a mobile phone...
@@peterk2455 I call them the "a month" brigade. People who justify the endless credit for cars, phones and everything else by saying they're used to paying X so X+Y is no problem. The people who will never understand what to do when a pay cheque doesn't come next month, let alone for the next twelve.
I bought an Izuzu D-Max, it has a 12v battery and electric instrumentation. I have been selling solar since 2011 and know all about Lithium batteries, so I dont have one.
Not sure if you picked up on it, but Addison Lee have just put 30 of their Teslas up for auction. They are all only a year or two old.
AL are cut throat ,anything that doesn't make them money is gone ...hence the EV clear out.
Addison Lee were acquired by a Singapore transport subsidiary of City-Fleet Network in October 2024. With over 5,000 vehicles they are restructuring and replacing vehicles every few months
@thomasreilly6362 London’s biggest minicab firm Addison Lee makes emissions U-turn
Lack of public chargers blamed for decision to be only ‘zero-emissions capable’ by April 2024. Given up going all electric by 2023 due to poor charging infrastructure. Hence selling off some unwanted BEV's early.
@@paulnewman9275 Indeed that is a factor probably, but Addison Lee are contractors to private hire vehicles who can lease buy through the company. The parent company is looking to restructure its UK operation due to the declining demand for taxi's in the UK. There is more to this than EV and other vehicles being sold off.
@@paulnewman9275
100% ULEZ Complete
The Addison Lee fleet meets the Euro standards (for vehicle and emission types) to travel within the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Evs make no financial sense at the moment. The extra insurance premium and the crazy overpricing. I can put petrol in my tank for years
Last winter my old folks bought 3 electric throws/blankets at 50-60 quid a pop to save on the central heating bill..! Penny wise, pound foolish!
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog That's a good one, but many people are like that.
Kinda like overspending by tens of thousands on an EV so you can save a few quid a week and look smart lol.
EV's have a place, just not at my home right now.
Compared a Tesla model S, to a Alfa romeo giulia quadrifoglio, same price 2019 model, similar performance. Worked out over a year Tesla £450 more expensive too run....For that small amount I.ll stick with petrol/diesel vehicles...
The one simple question that the EVangelists can never answer is. If EVs are that good, how come it is such a struggle to sell them?
And why isn’t there one on every drive🤔🤔🤔
Agree! Asking them to also provide their recommendations on how to improve EV uptake by the masses gets them in a ‘tiz too 😂
No one ever had a government incentive to buy a smartphone or flat screen TV right?
Or why are they so heavily subsidised if they are so good?
@@barriewilliams4526 because it’s cheaper to lease a brand new one under a Salsac scheme where you get 42% off the lease price and pay no VAT either. Why would anyone buy used when they can get that? Also imagine the volume of used cars coming from those schemes.
Why don’t people think long & hard before diving into purchasing an EV.
You're not such a muffin, are you 😊. 👍
Because they have watched those idiots, actors and Con Men on TV telling Fibs, Big ones, you know who they are, plus they read all the LIES and fall for the B.S., If people could only think for themselves.
Sheep can't think individually so follow the other sheep.
@ Totaly agree with you with that one. Keep following losers. Whilst they slowly bankrupt the country.
I bought a brand-new MG 5, the price at the dealership was way in excess of £30,000, and at the cheaper end of the EV price range comparing other EV car makers at the time. I have just ended the agreement early and handed the car back with no penalty as I had paid well over half the original purchase price. I was pretty ticked off that they reduced the price from around £33,000 to £23,000 which made me feel like I'd been ripped off, plus the depreciation was catastrophic. The car is now worth less than the remaining finance that was on it, so the finance company can take the loss. I'm now back to using my diesel, and a lot happier. No way will I buy another. I hate to think the losses being incurred by owners of more expensive brands.
The EV is actually an REV, a remote emissions vehicle...
According to the last poll I read, 80% of EV owners are going back to a gas or diesel car. The EV stupidity is imploding.
Please post the link so everyone can see
please link this, it is BS with out proof
Thank you Barrie and A Happy New year, people don't like the truth mate and they definitely don't believe a "Second-hand car Salesman!" (My Dad was one 😘) It's just common sense, if you can charge at home have one, there is no point selling an EV to a man witout a plug socket.
EV recession wow!
The EV failed experiment
get a free EV for every mRNA jab :p
@ Love that, brilliant but stop giving them ideas 🤣🤣🤣
Bob. That's exactly what it is an Experiment, the UK are the Gineau pigs here.
These people who lease then dump the car in a few months are really taking a bath, they have to Hate that EV, most lease / ICE people do not dump a car so quickly, many run the full term.
No they are not because they are leased under salary sacrifice schemes with insurance if you lose or leave the job.
That MG4 has lost 50% in one year! Yikes 😮
I do wish manufacturers wouldn't put iconic nameplates on the back of these ridiculous EVs. The only Quattro worthy of the name is the one driven by Gene Hunt. Enough with this sacrilege.
Excellent as usual
Hi Barrie, love the latest video again, regarding the ladies you’ve spoke about who had done 48,000 miles in a Nissan leaf, has anyone actually worked out how long that car would’ve been on charge to get that mileage? I I bet it’s a real eye-opener 👍
I've done nearly 100k driving in mine and I've not noticed, mainly at night or when I've left it to get on with something else.
@@Andy-e8n7gThere’s always one on payroll, whatever the time of day or night.
Pssst. Has nobody told you yet that the entire underlying rationale for EVs is a lie?
Don’t be a muppet.
@@GT380man Just pointing out that it's worked well for me with the convenience of charging at home. Still a bit of life left in the car and looking forward to doing the same with my second EV purchase.
In my old job we had a Nissan Leaf as a fleet car. Everyone hated it, it kept breaking down, we dubbed it, the Nissan grief. It would be in charge all night, you would get in and the telemetry tells you you have 100 kilometres, I'm in Australia, begin to drive down the street and now the telemetry days 60 kilometres. It was originally advertised as a 180 kilometres car, total BS. Anyone telling you they're great is lying.
@7s29 good'ay.. looks like you bought a dud. I've done no routine servicing on my leaf except for cabin filter and wipers etc. myself. When I last changed the fronts the guy noticed the pads were low so I changed them at a garage with the discs as a precaution but it had done 120k miles at the time.
Just think, You can't make a long drive without planning and having a lot of time to sit around waiting for your new car to charge.
Highway Code recommends a 15 minute break every 2 hours. Maximum distance you can theoretically legally travel in that time is 140 miles. 15 minute charge using a Tesla supercharger equates to 175 mile range. So if driving according to Highway Code recommendations then there is no real sitting around waiting to charge. EVs have satnav and do the planning for you.
@@urglegurgle5807 In a perfect world! Chargers can be broken or don't work at full speed, or just occupied, and if you don't have a Tesla you are really playing the lottery game trying to charge Add to this higher prices than ICE cars pay for fuel if you don't charge at home.
@@urglegurgle5807 You are misunderstanding the english language, recommendation and Obligation are two very different terms legally.
@@urglegurgle5807
Who drives according to the highway code? Most people are driving at around 80 - 90 mph on the motorways these days.
If EVs were great then garages would not have to ration petrol cars, EVs would t be piling up at the docks and dealers, EVs wouldn’t be flooding the market with “delivery” miles, EVs wouldn’t need 0% interest (Mercedes) manufacturers wouldn’t be closing factories due to demand (vw/audi) etc etc etc. Porsche would be falling over themselves to get every Taycan back to resell due to the demand! they only benefit those that get a BIK and people who pretend that their EV is saving them money on fuel and tax when they’re handed £10ks over in deposits or finance agreements…. Those of us with old petrol and diesel will keep them for years, our costs will rise but they’ll be a little cheaper than financing an EV.
I wonder if the finance agreement referenced on the Zoe is the battery lease?
thats what it will be
DBV - no point, cannot be maintained insured, repared, just thrown away (disposable battery vehicle).
What a load of b/s , currently have a Nissan leaf ( 9 years old with battery state of health of 90%) insurance is around £320 with breakdown cover, looking at buying a used model Y , as a big chunk of the depreciation has already happened, insurance for is only £580 , fully comp with breakdown cover, baring it mind it does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds .
Plenty of EV batteries well over 200,000 miles now and examples over 400,000 miles.
Average warranty on an Ice car is 5 years or 60,000 miles , most Ice cars in the UK are scrapped around 125,000 miles .
Average warranty on EVs 8 years or 100,000 miles some of Tesla's EVs are 125,000 miles warranty.
I love people who comment on things they know absolutely nothing about!
@@davefitzpatrick4841 If you go 0-60 in 4.8 seconds near my family on the public highway, you'd better not lift off the accelerator, pal.
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog these EV’s may be quick with their acceleration, but they soon get stuck behind the general traffic flow. How impressive 😂. Of course, on the motorways/dual carriageway they are busy massaging their remaining battery charge in the ‘slow lane’. 🐢
@@Guy-Gibsons-Dog what are you talking about, it's just there if I need it, I ain't that bothered about the 0-60 , it's just one of the safest and most efficient EVs , but we all know there are times a bit of power comes in handy.
My boy racing days are behind me .
@@andrewhill9369 it has a range of around 300 miles, which is more than my bladder can take 👍
I drive a ten year old Toyota IQ, annual running costs for my wife and I, £0 road tax, fully comp insurance, mot and fuel to around £1 a day. Give me something that matches that and I will happily change.
When you come to sell it make it into an Aston Martin Cygnet replica & treble its value !
There’s people commentating on other RUclips videos who are obviously EV fanboys, they say anything to justify their purchase, they deny the environmental destruction caused by the mining of the elements needed to produce batteries, they deny the cost implications of buying these heaps of scrap, quite funny really…oh and I expect to get a slagging off or other spurious claims made in favour of EVs for my comment…😂😂😂
Hi Lee, this is my story, I was a diesel company car driver for many years before getting a petrol hybrid which I charge consistently (cost's 80p per night on our tariff and gets 30 miles) and over the last year have averaged 68mpg saving me hundreds of pounds in BIK and private fuel costs.
Last year we needed to replace my wife's aging petrol car and spent hours researching lease deals and ended up going for a BEV costing a little over £300 a month. Charging at home costs £80 less than petrol a month, no VED or MOT, saving £260 (compared to the old car) and the first service cost £120 (compared to the last service on the old car that was £220), insurance was £80 more so overall it'll cost effectively £1240 les a year to run than the old car. It's leased so I am not concerned about depreciation.
You bring up the issue of environmental destruction by the mining of rare earth elements. Well I'm sure you're aware they're also used in the petrochemical industry for refining diesel and petrol and all research suggests the whole life environmental impact of an ICE is greater that a BEV, and remember, the batteries will likely be recycled or repurposed and the end of the cars life. Call me a fanboy evangelist and all the other terms I see, I just think I'm being pragmatic.
Barrie certainly has a bee in his (ICE) bonnet
@@GeoffSlack You where doing alright until you talked about the old batteries "Likely" recycled or repurposed, I think that's a cop out t.b.h. at some point its going to be a costly recycling job, That's when EV owners should pay, Infact Id test the batteries every year much like an MOT, then the owner can pay something towards its final demise, someone has to pay to dispose of it, just like we do on Tyres, you cant expect the last owner to be stuck with that cost.
And extracting oil from the ground just releases unicorn farts, doesn't it leecromer you absolute melt.
Barrie I wonder if you could give your thoughts on my musings? Could perhaps the main dealers, who are locked in these EV mandates, be approving lower credit rated customers for EV sales via their linked finance/lease provider? Like we saw with Sub Prime Mortgages, could some customers be quickly getting out of their depth with repayments, even after only a few months in? All due to the desperation of main dealers and their sister finance company for new EV sales? Just a thought because even if you hated your new EV, you would be double-crazy to accept the financial penalties of breaking the car lease! All the best.
Your thoughts are mine somthing not clicking right. £20,000 Cars 4 year old who gave these people Credit/ Finance to buy these Lemons in the first place. Barrys "Carwow" probably the tip of an iceberg . Nobody with a brain would have signed up for them . I suspect somthing misled them !!.
I agree with you. The figures don't add up. The ZEV Mandate won't happen, or if it does, then the UK car dealerships will go bankrupt and then the government will bail them out, does this sound familiar?
Did you see that the MacMaster's insurance company won't renew his car or home policies?
Fire risk alert from Porsche!
hes an absolute idiot .. full of BS jus for click bait .. dont believe a word he says !
If and its a big IF they are buying another car then maybe their garage /dealer just does not want them as trade ins. Or perhaps its their dealer who are wanting rid ASAP
I am very interested on what Barry has picked up on . Would also to follow up as to what happens to these EVs . Do they get sold ? What is the Financial Loss these people take. Somthing not clicking in my business brain . This is just CARWOW ....How big is the problem!!.
There are only two real reasons people bail put of long term finance agreements only a few months in:
1) can't afford it. Either a change in circumstances such as loss of work, or didn't budget properly from the outset.
2) the car; they hate it, or it simply isn't up to the task in hand.
Either way, the finance company earns a lot, and they lose a lot.
There's also the reality that they are just burning money with EVs. Not even sure the finance companies are making much in the process as the whole system requires that cars don't loose 30% in 6 months.
A new EV only dealer just opened near me. I'll be interested to see how long they last.
Barrie, 2nd request, please turn your volume up a twitch, thank you. Happy New Year to you and your family!!! Best greetings from an Englishman living in Germany. 🏴🇬🇧😎😎👍👍🍀🍀
@@andyhobbs2812 honestly don’t know what the problem is, as the sound is perfect on all my equipment, what are you using ?
@BarrieCrampton Probably a dinosaur of a communication device 😁😁 thanks for having the decency to answer mate. Apart from all the innings l do enjoy your down to earth and intelligent conversations regarding the electric get around vehicles. Think your small town car a pretty cool adventure, why not!!! My first car after 2 wheels, was an Only Fools and Horses tribute 😁😁😁
Is your on screen volume slider (to the right of the mute icon) all the way to the right? It is normally hidden by the video timer.
Very interesting
Just out of interest, what would an electric car be worth after a few years when the battery needs replacing? I suggest next to nothing as the battery costs as much as the car originally cost!
The evangelists tell us the battery outlasts an ICE motor and charges while you take a pee. They’re shameless. I now ignore all of them because most are lying for money.
Battery prices are dropping fast. If we wanted to replace ours it might cost just $3,000 Australian. It's performing perfectly BTW.
My Tesla 3 is on 250000 miles, it’s an ex uber, battery still at 96%. It will be a while before I need worry about replacing it. Not many ICE cars make it this far without major work, all this one has had is a few sets of tyres, replaced main fuse, and some suspension work last year.
Bought a 9 year old Toyota V6 in 2014. Still own it, cost me £87 in repairs last year plus one oil change that I did myself. Not worth much now but just won't stop being reliable so I can get on and change it!! Am I going to buy an EV? Why would I?
'but just won't stop being reliable' how do you know that crystal ball or what ? its not that old in the uk 14years is the average age of scrapped car. so your still under that. please share your reg so can keep an eye on it going for ever as you say its so reliable
What I don’t get with EV drivers is they argue “Plan your journey” don’t buy a car to plan my journey buy a car to have freedom and do as I please not as the car pleases.
Sure EV’s will get thee and prob by 2030-2035 then hopefully you can get about 470 miles as my old ice and take around 5 mins for another 470 miles!
Each to their own. EVs work for some and not for others.
Then there may be future problems when it comes to renewing your building/house insurance as I have read that some insurance companies are asking if you have an EV or charger within 7m of your house or a neighbour having an EV within 7m of your house. If this is true, then what happens if you do have a EV or charger fire and you have not informed your insurance that you have either of these, then they could say they will not validate your insurance due to not informing your house/building insurance. Let’s hope this is BS but a well known you tuber ‘McMaster’ has had a letter from his insurance house/building insurers with worrying complications.
Could be due to new road tax but not sure if thats only new cars
Deluded? Have job get electric car love car, get promoted or a better job with a company car, electric company car is a no brainer, have a surplus car, sell car..
Or buy electric car, see the ridiculously good December EV lease deals that seem to happen every year, lease car and sell current car quickly
ok, tall hairy and deluded if you insist, get promoted buy electric car and watch all the extra money that you got when you were promoted disappear down the plug hole
@@BarrieCrampton This is where the delusion really kicks in. The last time this happened to us we had to sell a petrol car quickly and it was just one of those things and we accepted it took the pain and moved on. At least the people leasing an EV for what is many cases can be several hundreds of pounds a month less than they were paying on PCP will claw their losses back quickly. Your theory about all these people dumping EVs and going back to ICE cars only holds true if ICE values are currently skyrocketing (they are not). Also please consider the possibility that in many cases its possible to get a significant cash incentive when buying on finance and in quite a few of those cases the penalty for early payback is minimal and maybe smaller than the initial finance incentive - This has also been true of petrol and diesel cars in the past too. I would not be at all surprised if at least some of those cars are bought and sold by dealer contacts as a side hustle
Why?? Because people soon realise living with an EV is a lot more difficult! You have to constantly plan ahead to recharge......& constantly find the recharge points out of service or already in use. Trips that should take a few hours, can take all double the time.
This gets old very very fast!
Clearly, you've never owned an ev. We've had one six months as a town car, and perhaps used a public charger 3 times. We just charge at home, it's so easy.
It's a faster, quieter, cheaper, smoother car.
@gwgmail100 yeah if little trips around town is all you do & can home charge, your fine.........try taking it on long weekend holiday roadtrip & see how much you still like it!
@@billsmith281 Bill, again - you've clearly never owned an EV. Had ours a year and covered 9k miles, used a public charger twice just for the experience (far nicer experience than a fume filled petrol station TBF). Just today had post Christmas roadtrip covering 160 miles and got home with miles to spare and no anxiety. Appreciate we're lucky to be able to charge at home and pay about 2p per mile
@GeoffSlack if it's working for you, that's great, however many many people aren't having the nice experience you are, which is why they soon regret their choice & choose to get rid of it for something more practical.
@@gwgmail100 And you lived on the third floor of a condo ?
Porsche EV owners have know lost their insurance due to risk of fire
All they EV sellers are upgrading to airplanes 😂😂😂
Barry thanks shorter is better
In Australia, the price of second-hand Teslas seems to be keeping up. And good, low mileage EVs are cheap. But I believe this is due mainly to the cheapness and increasing range of the new EVs put on sale. The three main-selling small EVs have been competing against each other and the cost is about $10,000 less and this impacts the second-hand market. The good news is that this puts EVs within the reach of many who would not otherwise have been able to afford them and those who have EVs do not need to sell as the cars on the whole need very little servicing and age much slower than smelly cars. Other reasons for low second-hand prices are that people buy them who do not have home charging and there is also the tidal wave of media misinformation which puts most people off. We are also entering a time when EVs will be cheaper than smelly cars and the price of new EVs will keep falling. In Australian, next year, we are getting at least 50 new models.
Thankyou
Long live Ozz.
If what is on CARWOW is representitive of EV owners . This is only the tip of an iceberg . But the " EV EVANGELISTORS" will have a B/S explanation . This "CAP" which the motor trade has allowed to dominate values needs looking at as to where and how it justifies its figures ,as for EVs it is way out on 4 year old EVs. TOO HIGH .
they hate them
Have you actually *asked* anyone that will go on camera, instead of having opinions? I don’t know about other EV users but I won’t be going back to ICE. I’m no shill, but honestly, the drive is smoother, SO much cheaper, even factoring in long journeys. The only downsides are charging convenience, availability of charging outside of city centres, and speed of charging.
Well they aren't going to auction because they know they can't get that much money out of them to pay off their loans on them. So they will start sitting and decaying. How about that answer?
Compelling.
This is all complete BS.
We've got an ev and would never go back to an ICE car. It's just a better car in every way. Its limited range is no problem in the city and the batteries that are coming in the next year or two will take care of that.
We're now watching the ice car market start to crash, look at Germany, look at Nissan.
Yep trying to sell EVs and losing a fortune on each one whilst restricting the sale of ice cars that you would make profit on is bankrupting them, great example thanks for making my point 😂
Changing jobs?
Is this an anti EV echo chamber channel?
Anyone else noticed that we’re slating nearly new EVs being for sale, but that most nearly new cars with low mileages are petrol cars, rather than EVs, hybrids or diesels.
anyone else noticed that urglegurgle is deliberately missing the point that the EV shills and surveys all state that 97% plus EV Owners will not go back to a petrol or diesel, when in fact its obvious that is a lie, as 50 % of EVs coming up for sale are less than a few months old, and many have changed hands several times in just a few months, do you think they have bought another EV, no they have not and it proves that the EVMyth Shows are talking rubbish, I hope thats cleared it up for you!!
Total bull sh t
but yet its not
What a saddo, your job is to debunk 'pro ev' myths! What a star you are. BTW, I drive an ICE.
Good to know, I drive an EV😂 to me a saddo is someone who called other people names because they have nothing better to do, Happy New Year 👍
Used EVs are like used smartphones, profoundly gross and often broken and useless.
Or betamax tapes😂😂😂😂😂.
You’re talking total shit. You clearly have no idea about this subject at all. These cars are clearly salary sacrifice cars where they also take out an insurance policy which means they can hand the car back if they leave the job or lose their job. This is why they are all going to auction with finance on them. Leasing companies are selling these at auction. Not private owners 😂. No private owner sends their car to auction. At worst they trade it in for a loss and roll that into the next PCP. The garage then sells the car themselves. I don’t even have an EV I have an M4 so you can’t call me a EV fan either but I work in business finance so I know the leasing model. You clearly have no idea what so ever. 😂
I've never heard of a salary sacrifice scheme giving you a 2016 car with 5 previous owners in 2024....
Sadly you just have not got a clue what you are talking about, these are private sellers entering their EV onto an suction website to sell them to dealers, if they were getting rid of a salary sacrifice EV it would be returned to the leasing company and they would enter it into an auction like BCA not Carwow 😂 but I have to congratulate you on the fact that you didn’t even accidentally get one of your points right, so 100% totally wrong on everything you stated, business finance 😂👍 keep up the good work
@ total bullshit. Nobody enters their car in to an auction website run by BCA. I’ve been buying and selling cars for 22 years and I’d never ever ever touch BCA. 99% of people wouldn’t even know how to auction their car and why would they? They have motorway and WBAC website or they can just trade it in to a dealer who will give them cap value against a new vehicle and hide the loss in their discount and at the moment the discounts on new cars are big because sales suck. You have access to a trade auction website and have managed to make a total scammy YT video series by drawing total bullshit conclusions about EVs.
@@del4668 who cares about a 2016 car? It’s nearly 9 years old now. I’ve seen Corsas with 5 owners in 7 years. I’ve seen Porsches with 9 owners in 10 years. wtf does that have to do with anything. I’m talking about the EVs with finance still on them which are not very old.
@ have a guess who owns we buy any car Matt, then perhaps you will be quiet and stop writing lies on my channel, thanks in advance on behalf of everyone who can think for themselves 👍