Austrian Olympiad System of Equations

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  • @rcnayak_58
    @rcnayak_58 9 месяцев назад +29

    Dear Sir, this time I am trying to solve this problem perhaps in a simpler way. This type of equation is known as symmetrical equation, where exchanging x with y values does not alter the properties of the equations, if f(x) = f(y) then x = y. In this case x = y is a solution. Since x = y, let us replace all y as x in either of the two equations. Say the 1st equation: Now we have (x -1)(x²+6) = x (x² + 1). That is x³ - x² + 6x - 6 = x³ + x. This becomes x² - 5x + 6 = 0. The roots of x are 2 and 3. As they are symmetric, they can be arranged in 4 different ways. That is, (x , y) = (2 , 2) and (3, 3), (2 , 3) and (3, 2).

    • @SanePerson1
      @SanePerson1 9 месяцев назад +4

      I took this approach as well and, like you, I solved the equation for x and got x = 2 and 3. The problem is that you (and I) derived the equation to be solved, x² - 5x + 6 = 0, by setting x = y in either of the given equations. So the solutions (x , y) = (2 , 2) or (3, 3) are fine. (x , y) = (2 , 3) and (3, 2) are indeed solutions, but while our approach shows that if (x , y) = (2, 3) is a solution, (3 , 2) must also be a solution (and vice-versa), we haven't shown that either one is a solution.

    • @rcnayak_58
      @rcnayak_58 9 месяцев назад

      Yeah. If we replace all x as y and solve it, we will get a similar solution y = (2,3) or (3,2). Therefore, we have x = 2 or x = 3 (we have already proved) and y = 2 or 3. Since the problem is symmetrical in x and y i.e., f( x,y) = f(y,x), we have 4 solutions as (x,y) or (y,x) = {(2,2), (3,3), (2,3), (3,2)}.

    • @theupson
      @theupson 9 месяцев назад +3

      @@rcnayak_58 you have literally said "since x=y... we get (2,3) as a solution". that does not follow.
      edit: to illustrate my objection to your reasoning, let me be concrete:
      (x-2)^2+(y-2)^2 = 4 and (x+y-3)*(x+y-2) = 0 has the same type of symmetry you have cited. neither are the solutions arranged in a rectangle, nor in fact are there any solutions of the form (x,x).

    • @hammadsirhindi1320
      @hammadsirhindi1320 4 месяца назад

      Good approach❤. I have another question.
      x^2+y^2=a
      x^3+y^3=b

    • @eshuatbits
      @eshuatbits Месяц назад

      ​@@theupsonnayak sahab was wrong

  • @SamarBist-b8l
    @SamarBist-b8l 9 месяцев назад +8

    *”Those who stop learning, stop living.”*

  • @sophisticatedplayer
    @sophisticatedplayer 9 месяцев назад +18

    When adding the equations, you can split 12 into 6 + 6, move y to the other side and factor the -1, so you get:
    x² - 5x + 6 = (y² - 5y + 6)(-1)
    (x - 2)(x - 3) = (y - 2)(y - 3)(-1)

    • @nanamacapagal8342
      @nanamacapagal8342 9 месяцев назад +1

      I started with the assumption that since the two equations are symmetric, surely a solution existed where x and y are the same
      From that I got (2, 2) and (3, 3)
      Then I added the equations and landed in a similar spot as you said
      I managed to get here:
      If x^2 - 5x + 6 = 0 then so must y^2 - 5y + 6
      thus, (2, 3) and (3, 2)
      The other possibility is x^2 - 5x + 6 = - (y^2 - 5y + 6)but that's difficult to evaluate
      Then maybe the subtraction method works

  • @dougaugustine4075
    @dougaugustine4075 4 месяца назад +2

    I watched this video twice. Algebraic magic.

  • @richardbraakman7469
    @richardbraakman7469 9 месяцев назад +5

    I started by just watching math videos and enjoying the cleverness but now I've graduated to trying the problems myself first :)

    • @anglaismoyen
      @anglaismoyen 9 месяцев назад +2

      This is the way. Just wait until you unironically buy (or download) a textbook and work through it from cover to cover.

    • @ashutoshsethi6150
      @ashutoshsethi6150 9 месяцев назад

      Stem redux, just later in life.

  • @andreabaldacci1142
    @andreabaldacci1142 9 месяцев назад +3

    I went about it slightly differently. Expanding the original equations and subtracting the second from the first, gives 5x-y^2-12+5y-x^2=0. Switching signs, rearranging the terms and splitting 12 in 4+4+2+2 gives (y-2)^2+(x-2)^2-(x-2)-(y-2)=0, which can be rewritten as (y-2)(y-3)+(x-2)(x-3)=0. Setting y=2 gives x=2 and x=3, while setting y=3 gives x=2 and x=3.

  • @brunoporcu3207
    @brunoporcu3207 9 месяцев назад +2

    Really a beautiful explanation, congratulations from Italy.

  • @weo9473
    @weo9473 9 месяцев назад +12

    U gives better education than our schools

    • @azzteke
      @azzteke 9 месяцев назад +1

      "U gives" is no English.

    • @itachu.
      @itachu. 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@azztekehe's african

    • @akashchowdhury7918
      @akashchowdhury7918 9 месяцев назад +2

      you give
      he/she/it gives
      this is the correct grammar

    • @luladrgn9155
      @luladrgn9155 9 месяцев назад +1

      kinda weird to criticise school when you don't know how grammar works

    • @RuthvenMurgatroyd
      @RuthvenMurgatroyd 9 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@luladrgn9155 Ehh, if he is ESL he jind of gets a pass.

  • @dougaugustine4075
    @dougaugustine4075 2 месяца назад

    I watched it yet a third time. Still impressed and liked seeing the graph of the solution at the end: intersecting hyperbolas (or things that look like hyperbolas).

  • @dan-florinchereches4892
    @dan-florinchereches4892 16 дней назад

    I think i have watched the video two times and solved in 2 ways which for me seem simpler.
    After addition and subtraction we are left with
    X^2-5x+6+Y^2-5y+6=0
    And
    2xy-x-y-7=0
    First method takes ento account the equations are symmetric in x and y so:
    Let S=x+y and P=xy the equations become:
    S^2-2P-5S+12=0 and
    2P-S-7=0 , so 2P = S+7 which we substitute in firs equation and solve a quadratic S^2-6S+5=0 so (S-1)(S-5)=0 which gives soluions (S,P) of (1,4) and (5,6) solving a quadriatic resulting from vietas formulas yields the real solutions for x,y (2,3) and (3,2)
    My second solution was to let the first equation become
    -(x-3)(x-3)-(y-2)(y-3)=0
    And the second be
    X=(7+y)/(2y-1)
    Substituting in the original equation and factoring we get
    (Y-2)(Y-3)(-1-15/(2y-1)^2)=0
    Last term is always the sum of two negative terms which is never zero
    I think this problem has something which baits you into solving it and you sir have some really clever manipulations sometimes.

  • @m.h.6470
    @m.h.6470 6 месяцев назад +1

    I would go a completely different route:
    Since the equations are exactly the same except the switched variables, you can say, that one valid solution is x = y.
    This means, you can have one equation with just one variable:
    (x - 1)(x² + 6) = x(x² + 1)
    x³ + 6x - x² - 6 = x³ + x |-x³ -x
    -x² + 5x - 6 = 0 |*-1
    x² - 5x + 6 = 0
    (x - 2)(x - 3) = 0
    x ∈ {2, 3} and therefore also y ∈ {2, 3}
    You have 2 solutions for 2 variables, that is 4 solutions in total:
    (x, y) ∈ {(2, 2), (2, 3), (3, 2), (3, 3)}

  • @dorkmania
    @dorkmania Месяц назад

    Since both equations are symmetrical in x and y, it follows that there must exist a solution that satisfies x = y, thus
    (x - 1)(x² + 6) = x(x² + 1)
    => x³ - x² + 6x - 6 = x³ + x
    => x² - 5x + 6 = 0
    Or x = {2, 3} = y
    We already know (2, 2) and (3, 3) are solutions, and if we plug in and check the remaining combinations of (2, 3) and (3, 2) we find that they satisfy the system.

  • @adw1z
    @adw1z 9 месяцев назад +1

    For those wondering,
    a+b = -4 ==> a^2 + b^2 + 2ab = 16
    Combined with a^2 + b^2 = 1/2 ,
    ==> ab = 7.75
    Combined with a+b = -4, this clearly isn't possible (a,b need to be same sign) which is why it doesn't give any extra solutions for a,b real;
    (to be pedantic, this is because a and b are roots of the quadratic:
    m^2 + 4m + 7.75
    = (m+2)^2 + 3.75 > 0 for all m, and hence has complex roots, meaning a and b are complex)

    • @SalmonForYourLuck
      @SalmonForYourLuck 9 месяцев назад

      Thank you for the explanation.... I understood everything

  • @BP-gn2cl
    @BP-gn2cl 11 дней назад

    If in first original equation x is replaced by y, we get second original equation. By using this fact after getting x=2, 3 and x=y, we can write (x, y) = (2, 3), (2, 2), (3, 2), (3, 3)

  • @miloradtomic
    @miloradtomic 9 месяцев назад

    Respected Sir,
    I am pleased, because I create simular tasks for mi students in Serbia. It even bigger when they do it themselves. Wonderful.

  • @vikasseth9544
    @vikasseth9544 8 месяцев назад

    You sir are a Maths Super Action Hero.

  • @claudiopeixoto4463
    @claudiopeixoto4463 9 месяцев назад

    It suffices to get two new equations by adding and then subtracting the original equations. Solving the system, one gets x + y = 1 and x + y = 5.

  • @rizviwasi
    @rizviwasi Месяц назад

    I started watching your videos just for your beautiful smile and really got impressed with your style @PrimeNewtons

  • @elephantdinosaur2284
    @elephantdinosaur2284 9 месяцев назад

    Great video. Keep up the good work. A nice side problem is to show that x - y always divides p( x , y ) - p( y , x ) where p is a polynomial in two variables.

  • @mplaw77
    @mplaw77 9 месяцев назад +1

    Well done and interesting, I proceeded a little differently after several failed attempts.

  • @vitotozzi1972
    @vitotozzi1972 7 месяцев назад

    Awesome!!!! Simple awesome!

  • @PureHanbali
    @PureHanbali 9 месяцев назад

    In the equation x^2+y^2-5x-5y+12=0, the x and y coefficients are equal, 1. Moreover, the coefficient of xy is 0. So, it's easy to say without even doing math that it's the equation of a circle.

  • @abdullahbarish8204
    @abdullahbarish8204 9 месяцев назад

    Amazing

  • @JatinChawla-v5f
    @JatinChawla-v5f Месяц назад

    What he showed at last(graph), is my first attempt to answer the question 🫣

  • @pietergeerkens6324
    @pietergeerkens6324 9 месяцев назад

    Very nice. 150% speed is a good pace.

  • @BP-gn2cl
    @BP-gn2cl 11 дней назад

    This will save much time. Correct me if i am wrong

  • @knupug
    @knupug 9 месяцев назад

    I'm wondering if I'm missing something. After multiplying out the original equations and adding them, you got x^2-5x+y^2-5y+12=0. My immediate thought was to turn that into (x^2-5x+6)+(y^2-5y+6)=0, which becomes (x-2)(x-3)+(y-2)(y-3)=0. That leads you to (2,2), (2,3), (3,2), and (3,3). The only other possible solutions would be when (x-2)(x-3)=-(y-2)(y-3). I'm not quite sure how to prove that's impossible when x is between 2 and 3 or y is between 2 and 3 ... the only ways to generate negative products.

    • @gghelis
      @gghelis 9 месяцев назад

      "The only other possible solutions would be when (x-2)(x-3)=-(y-2)(y-3)"
      It's not "other", it's equivalent to (x-2)(x-3)+(y-2)(y-3)=0. It also has an infinite number of other possible solutions, other than (2,2), (2,3), (3,2), and (3,3).
      You seem to be trying to prove that (x-2)(x-3)+(y-2)(y-3)=0 on its own is equivalent to the original system, which it's obviously not.

  • @BP-gn2cl
    @BP-gn2cl 11 дней назад

    And (2, 3) and (3, 2) satisfy x+y-2xy+7=0

  • @senpaikunbi2552
    @senpaikunbi2552 9 месяцев назад

    Hey sir, I have a faster solution for -2xy+x+y=7. When you have x^2+y^2-5x-5y+12=0, then x^2+y^2+2xy-x-y-7-5x-5y+12=0. This becomes (x+y)^2-6(x+y)+5=0 and now we have (x+y-1)(x+y-5)=0, so x+y=1 or x+y=5. When you have x+y, you can get xy and you con solve for x,y with Viète’s theorem. Thank you and have a nice day sir!

  • @tontonbeber4555
    @tontonbeber4555 9 месяцев назад +2

    xy2 + 6x - y2 - 6 = x2y + y
    x2y + 6y - x2 - 6 = xy2 + x
    (i)+(ii)
    5(x+y) - (x2+y2) - 12 = 0
    (x+y)2 - 2xy - 5(x+y) + 12 = 0 (iii)
    will be useful later ...
    (i)-(ii)
    xy(y-x) + 6(x-y) + (x2-y2) = xy(x-y) + (y-x)
    -2xy(x-y) + 7(x-y) +(x+y)(x-y) = 0
    (x-y) (x+y-2xy+7) = 0
    (a) x=y => in (1) or (ii) : x3 + 6x - x2 - 6 = x3 + x
    x2 - 5x + 6 = (x-2)(x+3) = 0
    => sol (x,y) = (2,2) or (3,3)
    (b) x+y-2xy+7 = 0
    2xy = x+y+7
    in (iii) : (x+y)2 - (x+y) -7 - 5(5+y) + 12 = 0
    (x+y)2 - 6(x+y) + 5 = 0
    (x+y-1)(x+y-5) = 0
    (b1) x+y=5 => xy = 6 => (x,y) = (2,3) or (3,2)
    (b2) x+y=1 => xy = 4 => x(1-x) = 4 => x2 - x + 4 = 0 no real solution
    So 4 real solutions : (2,2) (3,3) (2,3) (3,2)
    and probably 2 other complex solutions as global equation is 6th degree :
    x2 - x + 4 = 0 => x = (1+/-iV15)/2
    so ((1+iV15)/2,(1-iV15)/2) and ((1-iV15)/2,(1+iV15)/2))
    By the way, nice curves if you plot them

    • @munimahmed7877
      @munimahmed7877 3 месяца назад

      man! this must have taken you forever to write down...

    • @xyz9250
      @xyz9250 Месяц назад

      Exactly how I solved it.

  • @juma4127
    @juma4127 9 месяцев назад

    Teacher thnks

  • @donwald3436
    @donwald3436 9 месяцев назад +1

    15:12 lol it took me a minute to figure out that your 7\frac{1}{2} meant {\tt 7-1/2} not 7*1/2 lol, who uses that notation any more?

  • @ratratrat59
    @ratratrat59 9 месяцев назад

    quicker. fast is velocity and quick is time

  • @zypherdoesstuffonline5712
    @zypherdoesstuffonline5712 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hello can you solve this question
    Sqrt(log x) - 1/2=log sqrt(x)
    It was on my math exam and i didnt know how to solve it

    • @vafasadrif12
      @vafasadrif12 7 месяцев назад +1

      Perhaps i can help.
      At first we take 1/2 to the other side so
      sqrt(log(x)) = log(sqrt(x)) + 1/2
      Then we raise both sides to the power of two so
      logx = (log(sqrt(x)) +1/2)² = log(sqrt(x))² + log(sqrt(x)) + 1/4
      Now we can substitute log(sqrt(x)) as y:
      Let y = log(sqrt(x))
      Using the rules of logarithm log(x) would be equal to 2y
      2y = y² + y + 1/4
      0=y² - y + 1/4
      Using the quadratic formula we have y = 1/2
      Note that the equation has only one root as the delta would be .equal to zero
      log(sqrt(x)) = 1/2
      0.5log(x) = 0.5
      log(x) = 1
      x = 10
      And that is our answer

    • @zypherdoesstuffonline5712
      @zypherdoesstuffonline5712 6 месяцев назад

      @vafasadrif12 ty

    • @zypherdoesstuffonline5712
      @zypherdoesstuffonline5712 6 месяцев назад

      @@vafasadrif12 ty

  • @LUFFY-o8f
    @LUFFY-o8f 9 месяцев назад

    Sir would you make a video on Darboux's theorem?

  • @НикитаКоданев-ф7м
    @НикитаКоданев-ф7м 9 месяцев назад +1

    Why are we not considering a+b+4=0?

    • @richardbraakman7469
      @richardbraakman7469 9 месяцев назад +1

      It means b = 4 - a. Substituting into a^2 + b^2 = 1/2 and expanding gives 2a^2 - 8a + 16 = 1/2 which has no real solutions

    • @tontonbeber4555
      @tontonbeber4555 9 месяцев назад

      @@richardbraakman7469 Yep you exclude in R, but it's interesting that the equation is 6th degree globally, so admits 6 solutions in C. 4 are real, 2 are not ... the 2 complex solutions are not so difficult to find too ...

  • @isar7349
    @isar7349 9 месяцев назад +4

    From where are you sir.

    • @itachu.
      @itachu. 9 месяцев назад +5

      Straight from the heavens

    • @dandeleanu3648
      @dandeleanu3648 9 месяцев назад

      He is a professional no matter where he is from

    • @munimahmed7877
      @munimahmed7877 3 месяца назад

      from the school of our dreams (which only exists in our dreams)

  • @GreenMeansGOF
    @GreenMeansGOF 5 месяцев назад

    Lol. I watch every video at 2x speed.

  • @eduardionovich4425
    @eduardionovich4425 Месяц назад

    Вторая половина решения (после рассмотрения случая х=у) страшно длинна и не рациональна.

  • @fabige
    @fabige 9 месяцев назад

    This is my country :o

  • @TrinityRed
    @TrinityRed 2 месяца назад

    Resolution too complicated. Adding the equations and you will solve it in 5 minutes.