WHY INDIA CHOOSE RAFALE INSTEAD OF MORE SU 30 MKI? TOP 5 FACTS
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- INTRODUCTION:
Defense updates has received large number of request from the viewers on why India chose to buy Rafale instead of increasing the number of Sukhoi 30 MKI, which is a very capable fighter. It is well known that Sukhoi Su 30MKI ($75 million apiece) costs 1/3 that of Rafale , and India also has got excellent understanding of its operations having used it for sometime now.
In this video , we look at top 5 reasons why India choose to have Rafale instead of having more Sukhoi 30 MKI.
ROLE:
Sukhoi Su 30 MKI is designed for air dominance. Su-30MKI aerodynamic configuration is geared for air to air combat. The design allow for high angle of attack (AoA) flights . The integral aerodynamic configuration combined with thrust vectoring results in extreme maneuverability. It is not that Su-30MKI is not capable of ground attack , but it more of an air fighter.
The Su-30MKI has a range of 3,000 km with internal fuel which ensures a 3.75 hour combat mission. Its air refueling system can increase the flight duration up to 10 hours with a range of 8,000 km. Su-30MKIs can also use the Cobham 754 refueling pods. This means Su 30 MKI can go deep into enemy territories and take the fight to the opposing air force.
The Rafale is referred to as an "omnirole" aircraft by Dassault, its maker. Equipped with a wide range of weapons, the Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, interdiction, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.
One important aspect is that Rafale can be used from carrier aircrafts making it a very versatile fighter.
As viewers may know, MMRC deal in which Rafael won ,stands for Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft. So India’s intention was to acquire a multirole fighter instead of a air dominance fighter which India already has in form of SU 30 MKI.
STEALTH:
Sukhoi 30 MKI is large aircraft and was also not designed with stealth in mind. The size has many benefits , but has a critical disadvantage . It has large RCS of 5. This makes it an easier target when compared to Rafale which has a RCS of 1.
So , in case of operations in regions defended by advanced air defense system with powerful radars, the Rafale is much better aircraft.
FRANCE
France is part of European Union but it does not use Eurofighter Typhoon. France was humiliated in World War 2.
Since then , France has been very particular about building its own defense equipments, be it fighters or submarines. It is also known to have a very independent view about strategic relationships. This is very important, as France can be trusted, that it will not bow to foreign pressures to stop supplies ,if and when India is in a conflict.
India’s experience with France has been good, it has been a a very dependable partner for India.
India has been using Mirage build by Dassault for a long time and it has been a very effective jet for India. From spare parts to repairs , France has stood by India.
RUSSIA
Russia has been the most trusted ally of India. It helped India in 1971 war, when US, UK,Pakistan had tried to defeat india.
Russia has supplied India and continuing to do so, with top of the line defense equipment.
In late 1990s, Russia had transferred technology for Su30 MKI, India's frontline fighter aircraft, which at that time was Russia’s most modern equipment, its most modern plane.
Recently , Russia has agreed to sell india , S 400 the most dreaded air defense system in the world, and is a state of art Russian system.
There is mainly one problem with Russia, that India must not be dependent on a single nation for the military equipment. There is a saying , do not put all your eggs in the same basket. Diversifying of critical equipments is must.
CHINA FACTOR
China , India’s main adversary also uses Sukhoi Flanker variants which it had acquired from Russia . They have even reversed engineered these aircrafts .Though Su 30 MKI is customized by India with Israeli & French sub systems, China have decent idea of this aircraft , specially its aerodynamic capabilities.
In any conflict, this can be very useful from Chinese perspective. Same goes for India.
On the other hand, there is no road map , where Rafale can end into Chinese hand .
This will give India an edge in air combat scenarios.
Regarding France yes it’s the least Europe countries affected by American political pressure and by the way Egypt was the first country to owned it, from Egypt 🇪🇬 long Live 🇮🇳
You assholes took us the canal WE built in the desert WE stole from you, but at least you've got good taste in aviation.
Btw just joking
Gabriel Putz LOL 😂
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French disagreed with Russia operations in Ukrain, as they disagreed with USA operations in Iraq. George Bush couldn't do anything to make the French shut up, and when France cancelled the contract of selling 2 warships to Russia, Putin couldn't do anything against it. Say whatever you want, but French have more balls and independance than many other countries.
Alpha Grisby I want India to head the same way
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We have ballguettes
i like young french girls. they are cute
Well the Scorpene submarines that can't submerge tells a lot of the quality of their military hardware.
Dassault is really good company when it comes to fighter jets. Especially their Mirage 2000 is such an exceptional fighter jet.
Abhijeet Vishwakarma
Dassault aircraft’s are good but over prices
Abhijeet Vishwakarma
It’s not a fighter.. it’s a multi role so & is not designed for dog fight but in the hands of a good pilot it can perform well even as a fighter
what does "incoming..." mean here.....???
@@ashtonbailey3970 Alright, Rafale is a very good jet, but I'ts so expensive! Gripen E can do almost the same for 1/3 the price...
Marcellus de Senna Vasques
There are similar class so I guess you have a point
French governement can sell what the US tell them they can sell, yet we love India ! Greetings from France
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@@JS_Rajputana don't think about superficial theory... China and Pakistan can not be good neighborhoods for their neighbors... You can see the history of China and Pakistan after 1949 and 1947
Wow..The Whole world knows that if Any country want to sell weapons to Other country ..they has to take Permission of US ...😢😢😢
we are already indigenously building our own Jets, thank you.
@@tejaspeedliving idiocy not an excuse for not getting trolled
The reliability of Rafale's Snecma engines is also far superior to the ones on the Sukhoi.
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@Ouija1210 seriously? Russian engines more reliable than those on the Rafale? That's genuinely very funny. ^.^
@Conan lol in ur dreams
@Conan or British or French ones.
Isn’t there an issue with serviceability of Rafale? I thought I read that the government expressed concern about the low availability rates
Love u Russia ❤️🔥love u France ❤️🔥from india ..🇮🇳❤️🔥
If you love rusia you will love Novichok too.
so many jealous people who hates the french in the comments, with the traditionnal french bashing, so stereotypical, so ridiculous...
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Oh no no... Loads of respect for the French army!!! Loads!
Parislam...
Raphael D, France is a shithole go have a look around and enjoy the shit, bastard
France has been one of the very few trustable friends of us Indians.
French Dassult provide better services than Russia sukhoi did.
Su 30mki heavy fighter (can carry one bhramos-A and 5 bhramosNG)
Rafale multirole fighter (3 bhramosNG)
How exactly did the dassault rafale provide better service than the su30?
@@user-xj9lp3fs7m It seems Dassault has a bigger-more careful costumer support service.
Ah i see
@Heiwajima Shizuo No, Russias defence budget is 69 billions, india's defence budget is 57 billion
@Heiwajima Shizuo 2 years back, now is 69bill, while russia spends 70bill, close but not enough
Indo Russo strong 💪... Indo Franco also strong 💪
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If you are so strong, dont talk, act! Go liberate Ladakh!
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Very nice tea with Mughlai domination
Time for india to build more indegenously developed aircrafts.
Baljinder Singh lol
We have the Tejas now
AMCA dude AMCA 😁✌️❤️🇮🇳❤️
Gandhi family ‘s son in law Robert Vadera ‘s business will suffer if India builds its own. That is why they planted their Scientist friend ‘s at DRDO to delay projects.
Baljinder Singh our r&d budget is very small, cant build anything without budget
Dear uploader i deeply appreciate your hardwork behind this video. However the narration seems to cause irritation. Please don't use fake voice.
+Prasoon kumar Hi , ur concern is noted. Since the channel is very small its not possible to hire voice over specilists or have a recording studio
I've used artificial text to speech narration for many years and you can vastly improve the output by writing your text to be more "conversational", adding more commas (pauses) where a real human would have to breath, and phonetically spelling things out. The narration says "sue thirty" instead of "S.U. thirty".
The speaker is obviously Indian with an Indian accent....
Emmanuel Cardoza No it's not human. You can pick synthetic narration that speaks English with different accents. For years I used one with a British accent for an American audience because it disguised some of the weird pronunciations.
Is your voice that bad that your considering to hire someone?
The truth is that the Rafale is more reliable than the SU-30 which experienced many technical issues these past years.
www.hindustantimes.com/india/india-plays-safe-grounds-entire-sukhoi-30-fleet/story-IbPNItzI5373FOEUuaQHfL.html
www.hindustantimes.com/india/su-30-fleet-plagued-by-engine-woes-poor-serviceability/story-CUNvrCuhWdK0w4J6jVecIK.html
It has also impressed the india defense department during Garuda V exercice in 2014 and 2015 where the Rafale did the job extremely well against India's Su30 MKi
As a Brit I have to say the Rafale is a superb aircraft. Well done France for producing such a capable and beautiful plane.
One of the best channel i've ever subcribe..Your point of view even your analytical is very trustworthy and informative like other channels.
Wish India well. Hope they never have use them in war. India has crazy neighbors. God bless India may they have peace.
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1.Specialize one of our iits for defence needs.
2. Put some money into research.
3. Take our indigenous tech and build on it .
4. Make some cheap yet capable multipurpose fighters .
And bang india is self sufficient in defence production.
Surely we need to replicate isro's success by drdo . jai hind
"cheap yet capable" - not possible. titanium is not cheap. titanium machining is not cheap - requires both non-cheap machines and non-cheap manpower. 2 (iron)+2(lower skilled manpower)=4(cheap?). 20(titanium)+20(higher skilled manpower)=40 (costly?).
Most important reason is Rafale's nuclear capabilities. We have mirage 2000 & jaguar for this which are too old and Su-30mki is not made for nuclear strikes but still equipping BrahMos-A to it. One more reason is that Rafale serviceability is 80%-90% while Su-30mki have 60%-70% so basically remaining jets can't be used in case of war. Basically we are getting better range, stealthy jet, with meteor missiles, multi-role nuclear capable jet which is perfect for our requirement for time being.
Dassault don't give rafale for nuclear bombing so India don't have the capabilities to modified rafale
youbdu29 Lol pointing that to a nuclear triad bit childish. France gave us mirage 2000 way back and we made it nuclear capable ourselves. France is replacing their old Mirage 2000N with Rafales for nuclear strikes and we are doing the same. They will not deliver any nuclear capability to us but we are going to modify it for nukes ourselves. And we are working on Nirbhay & BrahMos-NG too.
nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-india-wants-frances-dassault-rafale-fighter-jets-they-17777
_> One more reason is that Rafale serviceability is 80%-90%_
Bullshit. It's below 50%.
You buy the Rafale ....you do what you want with it .....
But Russia is offering Su 35, not SU 30.
Sukhoi equipped with Brahmos will be first fighter aircraft in world to carry supersonic missile on it.
First of all, the Sukhoi SU-30MKI isn't specifically a fighter aircraft... and second of all, chinese JH-7 and J-10 carried supersonic missiles before.
SuperGeronimo999 Brahmos range is approx 300 KM. Do Chinese supersonic missile on aircraft had that range.
Ashish Nhavalde What does the range have to do with it, being supersonic? And yes, up to 400km. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YJ-12
SuperGeronimo999 su 30 mki is a fighter aircraft for air to air combat. Name the Chinese supersonic missile which Chinese fighter jets carried. Because supersonic sonic missiles are to heavy to carry, brahmos weight is about 3000kg. It is very difficult for an aircraft to carry such weight. Only long aircraft like sukhoi can carry brahmos.
Ashish Nhavalde No, the F-22 would be a fighter, the Su-30MKI is multirole. And i've just linked the chinese missile above. YJ-12 weighs 2500kg.
The J-10 can carry 7000kg, and China also has Su-30MKK & Su-30MK2, along with the J-15, which is a chinese Su-33 for use on aircraft carriers.
Very crisp and apt video based on right technical aspects unlike other masala videos on defense theories.
India needs to develop their own defense industry. Build their own aircraft, Only then can they depend on available aircraft and ships.
The name itself is intimidating!!to make enemy flew away.you dont need to fight!
In french means Rafale 2 things: burst fire and wind gust: both are perfect applicable to this fighter...
Please remove this computerised voice and introduce a more interactive human
We already have more than 200 su 30 !
We need a verity of weapons
The Rafale is a outstanding fighter and is a great choice India made a wise decision ✌️ from 🇺🇸
RUclipsrs here are not fighter pilotes, HQ military personnal, etc... IAF don't need your advive too choose their plane strategy
Yeah they will pick some more 😁 insert when they faces the falcons of Pakistan ..... Pakistan zindabad pak army zindabad
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@Clark Kent lmao best reply
You really dont need these machines in war. All you need is AK47 and 20 million Indians with unlimited ammo.
yeah I liked that Idea...but ..10 million not going to coming back in any case...
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@@suraj-op2bx Many Muslims support India but people like you divide India!
they chose rafale simply because indian constitutional law says that india MUST NOT rely on single weapons manfucatruer... whilst india already has fleets of MiG29, Su27, Su30 etc..... they are not allowed to only have systems provided by single country in case of dependence on that country for its military hardware... even birds know that Su30 MKI is vastly superior to anything French make...
Zlata S wtf😂 if tht would have been case we could buy F-18 ,Gripen too ..
Zlata S yeah that why India hardware is mostly French and Russian , French jets are among the best in the world and most of thoses wrecked Russian made jets . The mirage F1 were nightmares for F14 during Irak war and they outperformed Migs in most wars .
The rafale is a beast that nothing can take down easily .
It is suitable for interception , recon, bombing , nuclear bombing , electronic warfare, ground attack, etc...
Russia is a common supplier of arms and weapons both to India and its adversary China. Now India's policy for defence equipment purchase must be Russia + 4 others namely France, Israel,. USA and Britain.
The plural of aircraft is aircraft... next time you should say "They have even reverse engineered these aircraft", not "They have even reversed engineered these aircrafts"
India must continue devolop its own fighter program so it no need to depend on foreign jets.
This is not so easy: a fighter jet need top technology and a deep experience in all domains, so for ex. China made some own fighters (who looks more like "copies from"), but use Russian designed engines because they was unable to make the engines, same thing for helicopters: in the 80' they did copies from french helis, but was unable to make the engines despite reverse technology: such thing need a very experienced design bureau, not forgot that France did work on jet engines (first ram jets , and double flow turbo jets (Rateau SRA1) in 1939) size the debut of the last century, and begin experiences in delta wing aircrafts 90 years ago, was only heawy retarded from WW2...
That's easier said than done it can be insanely exspensive and will take years
@Marcos B indian tejas still using US engines.
@Marcos B engine is a major component imported and indians still have not mastered its technology..
@Marcos B you said indian tejas will produced with local components but tejas is still flying with US engines, israeli cock pit controls and russian missiles...where are the indian replacements?
And yess we defeated typhoon 15-0 using su 30mki .. in q competition
Bro app mujhe iss competition ke bare main bta ya koi link de skte hai ye kb hota hai?
@@geetunknown3037 search kro exact video nahi milta khi bhi but competition hote rhte hn . Like bahrain air show and all .vese hi net p mil jaega
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Umm u know the rafale is better than the typhoon on dogfights, right?
@@user-xj9lp3fs7m these are not meant for dog fights first of all and secondly it depends on terrain and skill , and thirdly suk30mki defeated typhoon that is what i mentioned
We want rafel also 💪
In 1998 after India conducted nuclear tests USA , England , Japan Australia etc imposed sanctions on India. But France supported India and denied to impose any sanctions on us. This is their character and real strength. So we have every reason to trust them. Thank you Republic of France..Jai Hind..
Simple.
Different fighters. Different capabilities. Versatility is a good thing.
then what about make in india ?? What will happen when we have a war with France ?
@@john10101010022235 why will we have a war with France? Even if we do, we are not capable of fighting a war like that. We have 2 functional carriers right now. The only scenario we fight a war in with France will be if France somehow felt it needs to invade India. And why would it do that? Nostalgia for Pondicherry?
The robot English is not very good. Please use a real person. Give a person who has journalistic skills and put them to work. Thank you.
You still can’t beat PAF as they have very professional pilots no hard feelings.
Professional pilots who get lynched by their own countrymen.
Yes professional pilot......... Professional donkeys they are......even if they get an F-16 results are before you....
Let them cross loc we will see who is more professional
You wait and and see what we are war is round the corner and we are waiting for that by Hazwaey hind round the corner
France will not bow down to international pressure? What happened to the helicopter carrier that was sold then withdrawn from Russia ?
France did the right thing.
Plain and simple, Rafale won because it met the criteria that India was looking for its Air Force. The top two aircraft in the tender were the Rafale and Eurofighter. The US aircraft that competed, the F-16 and 18 did well, but part of the tender criteria is that the home nation must have plans to retain the aircraft in their own home country, which was not the case as both are being replaced by the F-35. They are also older designed aircraft, and India was looking for aircraft that could grow and hasn’t already technologically matured. As an American, I am glad for France. They have a very good aircraft and they deserved to win.
Su 30 MK 1 ലോകത്തിലെ ഏറ്റവും മികച്ച Air superiority fighter ആണ്. പക്ഷെ deep Strike ന് നമുക്ക് മിറാഷിനെയും ജാഗ്വാറിനെയും ആശ്രയിക്കണം. 10 മിറാഷിന്റെ Power ഉണ്ട് റാഫേൽ ,' മറ്റു വിമാനങ്ങൾക്ക് 100 KM - 200 KM ദൂരത്തു നിന്ന് സുരക്ഷ ഒരുക്കുന്നതിലും .... Long range strike മാ ണ് Sui 30 വേണ്ടത്. വ്യത്യസ്ത quality ഉള്ള fighters ഉണ്ടാകണം. 20l 9 ഓടു കൂടി എക ദേശം 300 Su30 Mkl ഉണ്ടാകും. വളരെ complicated ,ആയ Situatiom നിൽ ആണ് SU 30 ഉപയോഗിക്കണ്ടത്. 2000 km. വേഗതയിൽ su 30 യിൽ നിന്നും ബ്രഹ് മോസ് വി ക്ഷേപിച്ചാൽ പാക്കിസ്ഥാന്റെ എല്ലാ പ്രദേശവും അതിന്റ പരിധിയിൽ ആകും. അതു കൊണ്ട് മറ്റു മിഷനുകൾക്ക് റാഫേൽ അത്യാവശ്യമാണ്..
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#2 - Very independent view.... not bow to foreign pressures...
2014-2015 France bowed to foreign pressure from - POLAND.
One of the point of pressure was the Polish deals on submarines and naval helicopters that the Poles had pending with the French, and threatened to cancel their orders if the French deliver on the contract they had with Russia. To provide the two carriers (build and completed by French), and allow Russia to build two more under license.
Then the Poles still ditched the French. Getting the subs from Sweden, and copters from USA.
Van Sec false. There is nothing to do with the 2 mistrals. The poles bought u.s. weapons instead of europeans weapons. And the problem is that they get a lot of money from the european union. That was the problem.
LOL are you kidding me the French gave the British the codes to disable the Exocet missiles in the Falklands war. Trusted my ass.
@ Mark mark : If the French gave the codes to the Brits (?) why 2 U.K frigates ( HMS Sheffield and another one ) were sunk by French exocets launched by Argentine Air Force French make Mirage aircrafts ?
Because the Brits went crying to the French after the first warships got sunk. After that they were safe.
" The Brits went crying to the French " ? Look am French and the two neighbor nations are quarreling and fighting for some 1000 years , they are the "best enemies" and "worse friends" of each other in Europe if not in the world . Really I do not see the British pride bowing to the French and I do not see the French malice condescending to betray their Argentinian clients to save the face of the Brits. In as much as, at that time, Thatcher was ruling UK and Mitterrand ruling France and they could not stand each other...What I think is that MI5 (great respect for them ! ) which has "dormant agents" in the French military complex and in the political sphere had the means (blackmail ? money ? exchange of paramount information ?) to get the necessary technical information. In any case, I do not see the Brits "crying"...since they have no tears when they fight !
Mark Mark crying? When ships are hit people die.
Nope, the argentine air force only has a few AM39 Exocets (3 or 5) before the conflict start and the french engineers were still in Buenos Aires, helping AAF in installing the missiles on super etendart. Nevertheless, it's true that after the outbreak of Flaklands war started, the french governement embargoed the missiles, at they were able to cause a serious threat to the british task forces. The Argentinian tried to bought some on black market, but the british secret service prevented them from doing that. The disabling code is just a legend.
Su30 require mid-air tow trucks too often. Russian quality, well that is an oxymoron.
In fact, there was a competition between F-16, Saab Gripen, Mig-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and F/A-18 (most probably all fighters in the latest block).
The first step was a theoretic very detailed and intense evaluation - and only two planes were chosen to enter practical flight tests: Rafale and Typhoon.
In those tests the Typhoon dominated all tests and was the first choice of the IAF. However the cost per muster plus the cost for the infrastructure (India already uses Dassault fighter jets, which have similar infrastructure to the Rafale), let the defense ministry choose the Dassault Rafale as far more cost effective option.
Why they didn’t chose the Mig (which would have been definitely cheaper at probably the same or higher performance?
• Dependency on Russia (they don’t want to have all eggs in one basket) - I don’t necessary think, that this is a very valid reason, as they have other areas, which they are pretty much full Russian.
• Mig-35 hasn’t been fully developed at times of the competition.
• There were a far increased accident rate of Su-30 MKI’s - they might have doubted Russian reliability.
• Consistency of performance: Russian planes are all about top line performance - but real life performance is often far below the average.
• Russian avionics seem to be quite behind the American and European competition (e.g. despite the fact, that Russia announced a decade ago, to update to AESA radar, they still didn’t deployed it in any variant. This is only one example, which shows, how technological advanced they really are - obviously this is contrary to their propaganda).
I have read so many different figures on SU 30 mki RDS that dont know what to think. The RDS can however be corrected by coating canopty and aircraft with radar absorbing material which India has. This combined with its large radar will makes it very dangerous.
Go ahead India! ⚔️❤🇮🇳❤⚔️
France won’t bow to foreign pressure? 😂They chose not to complete sale of the 2 mistral class ships because of pressure from USA.
Not USA but Europe... Because at this time Ukraine want to enter in Europe what E.U want too but they want to enter in Europe with all the state and that mean the Crimé too but the Crimé is more Russian than Ukrainian so they vote to be rattached to Russia and Ukraine was against it. Russia declare the war to Ukraine... Nothing to do with USA. And don't worry, French government and French citizen think in really different way. As a French person I was completely disagree with this decision to not delivery the two war boat to Russia. Because if we can sale weapon and war jet to South Arabia or Quatar we can sale anything to any country without feeling guilty.
*_It's not about fighter aircraft it's all about money talk india has paid much higher price compare to qatar next upcoming bollywood movies_*
Put one thing in your brain whenever India purchases any aircraft it is always a modified version with India's requirements not the common platform. Its Su30MKI is highly modified with Indian, Israeli and French sub systems.
So by these reasons India chooses Rafale air craft why not India make its own air crafts like Rafale. This may good in defence secrets efficiency, quality and in economic ways. Thanks for the sharing.
Forgot about one point: Rafale got some good stuff about nuclear warfare. It could be a topic by itself, since China is a nuclear superpower.
In other words the su 30 to 35 can dance in the sky at air shows but in war time its severly lacking
Viva la France. J'aim les équipe de France.
Most points are invalid.
1) stealth: you can’t really call it stealth if a plane has a RCS of more than about 0.1m2. And yes, a plane with a 5x less RCS has some advantages, but especially modern integrated air defense systems have no issues to pick planes nearly at the same distance in this scenario - especially considering that the armed RCS is far bigger!
2) Role: Su-30MKI is multirole (especially compared to Su-35). And let’s face it: the issues are more about the avionics and less the rest of the specs.
3) the video especially points out how trustworthy Russia is in its arms dealer role - but then also contradicts with its “all eggs in one basket moniker”
4) the Rafale is capable of carrier operations: that is a big fallacy - as the carrier version is a completely different variant and the competition has been conducted by the Indian Air Force!
The real reason? There might be some points of the video which adds to the decision- but most likely are the shorter lifecycle of Russian equipment, the accident proneness and the technological differences of the systems. India probably spends a lot into the Sukhois, as it customizes it’s avionics with Israeli and French systems. The Rafale comes as ready package, which might be a far better deal!
Hey ur the same guy who writing about aircrafts in quora?
Really like the video... Although watching it in 2020
This is a very perceptive and well thought out explanation! Very well done! However, I am somewhat troubled by the statement that France will stand by its allies in all conditions. Please remember that the blocked the Israel and did not give them the aircraft they had payed for, when they bowed to arab oil pressures. As far as putting all of your eggs into one basket - that I agree with. The proper answer, though it is expensive, is that India must eventually design and build competitive aircraft of their own - top line 5th and 6th generation fighters. The Tejas is a beginning, but only a beginning.
Just mig21 is enuf for us to strike pak lol. We will use rafale for future use.
Yes keep sending them they all need scraping
@@MrCarz95 Yes, like your shot down f16 that Pakistan isn't ready to admit got shot down by a 60 year old plane and killed their own pilot
Because india has something called common sense.
Really ?
So when will the common sense be brought into use for your toilets ?
@Svdikar Why not ? The whole world has for it's population and that's a standard common sense right ?
@@anchalsharma1542 LOL...obsessed ? me ?
dude, your government has exuded out a concept of toilets that HAS obsessed your people, lurking them into confusion, to use toilets OR back to their norms that is dinning holes and excreting. Simple.
@lol bast Well atleast the common sense says to use water wiping up asses in privacy and NOT in public right ? That's the common sense my friend. As for the wipes/toilet-papers, they ARE used in toilets. So get your common sense up right dude.
@@scorpion7227 our toilet got separated in 1947😢😭😭😭
#3 doesn't make sense, because France hasn't delivered the 2 minstrel ships to Russia that it promised over the Ukraine deal. So Id say, if India gets out of step with the western powers, it might be the same story as like Iran and their F-14's
dude you don't know relationship between India and France .go check how French never blocked India nuclear program .French were reason why NATO never went against India in spite of fact India was biggest ally of soviets .please stop jumping with half knowledge
French stood by Indian always even when Brits and American came to attack India in 1971 war .
current and future relation between countries and geopolitical scenario is also a factor.
Amazing India exactly, French arent worth their word.. its just an economic deal for now to make money. Russian Minstrel ships show that
Yo ski France did not back of when selling Mirage to Peru despite USA demanded only them could sell weapons in America, basically they destroyed USA's american monopoly in Latin America by themselves. Also France did not stop selling missiles to Argentina when they were at war with UK. Also France vetoed USA resolution to invade Iraq (which really pissed of USA). And before the Ukraine crisis, it was the western country most willing to work with Russia at developing new systems...if there is a country owner of western technology that is know for following it's own interests in international affairs, that is France...now, if Russia wants to fuck with NATO and starts invading european countries don't come to cry over the internet about how France won't give them a shit now.
India should get its act together and start developing its own crafts.
Excellent analysis. Now I know why IAF is almost invincible with capability of Air dominance. Yet, stealth is a worry when flying Su30 MKI. Problem can be circumvented by sending Rafale first to soften the enemy air defence (Radars on ground) followed by Su30 MKI.
In our experience we find that french fighter planes have long service without any problems. Where as Russian fighters may be good but have frequent breakdowns and continuous maintenance issues. So better go for French or American fighters than Russian.
modi got this as urgent might think thank found Pakistan might destabilise in few years and any new insane general will adventure nukes over India and Rafael could only destroy nuclear installations jai hind
Be real if india or Pakistan launch 1 nuke both countries will be gone forever
@@burnyt3077 - Don't worry India will never launch a nuke against any nation no matter what... That is why some people try to threaten India so much - they are very confident that India won't go to that extreme....
There are other aircrafts and missiles designed to do that... They can intercept the nuke warhead midair and stuff... Rafael has its own purpose other than that....
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F15 is nothing in front of Rafale ,,,rafale is more advance and powerful,,, also fit for any fight and situation ,,, but f15 is not good for every situation
Thanks for the nice video updating 🙏👌
I'm a huge fan of the Su-30 MKI but another point in Rafale's favour is that it is now a 4.5 gen aircraft. Whereas the MKI even with all possible upgrades will be somewhere between 3.5 - 4 gen.
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India should develop a reverse engineering department like China has
they are not comparable, rafale is medium class, su30 mki is heavy class, when you know the difference, you understand why is not compable, it is like to compare A320 neo with B747, not same usage, not same rule, not same cost.
Good analysis. Another reason could be India is hoping France will share its nuclear submarine technology which the US and Britain declined in spite of India's courting...
It seems to me that another reason is that India, via HAL, is an active member in the development of the Sukhoi Su-57 (formerly the T-50, formerly PAK-FA), which is the next generation of 'air dominance' craft. It seems to me that that Su-30MK is a stop-gap until the newer Su-57 can come to the point of sufficient level of production to provide a 'step-up' for the IAF. But, the 'multi-role' small fighter, particularly from Dassault, with whom the Indians have already decades of cooperation, makes ultimate sense.
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Rafale is a very good plane
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Rafale doesn't cost 3 times the price of the su30. It cost the same price (about 65 M euros)
It is understood that the Rafale's price is 3x or 4x that of the Su30. Also, the overall cost of maintenance of Western ac is usually much higher than that of Russian ac. Russia has also proved historically to be a steady ally. Effectively, by buying the Sukhoi, within the same budget we could have had 3 times the number of high quality combat aircraft available which perhaps could be upgraded with necessary avionics to match the Rafale. 3x the combat capability would go a long way in ensuring air supremacy.
rafale is amazing aircraft, I like su-30 but rafale is a perfection
Raphael overpriced maintenance heavy built like a fine watch.
aa7r aa7r western planes built like that because we can almost afford it lol also we can keep our airbases nice and clean so we can have fine watches vs hammers like Russia
Is this why serviceability rate of Rafale fleet is below 50%? Because you can afford it?
Rafale*
le rafale est le moins couteux en therme d entretien Un seul avion peux executer toutes les misssion, la formation du personel sur un seul avion ,il peux changer de role en cours de mission voila pourquoi il est economique
+Philippe Lannoy
_> le rafale est le moins couteux en therme d entretien Un seul avion peux executer toutes les misssion, la formation du personel sur un seul avion ,il peux changer de role en cours de mission voila pourquoi il est economique_
Just like Su-30, or F-16, or any other multi-role fighter.
4:26 Looks like they are about to kiss each other
lmfao... putin ka pyaar next Bollywood hit
your angle of attack is not good
A mix of a few fighters from different design sources and using different components reduces the risk of any single system being grounded. An aircraft might be grounded due to some previously unknown issue or due to the supply chain being cut off. Ideally India could have Su-30MKI, Rafale, and AMCA in roughly equal numbers. Each of these platforms could be built in India and have domestic suppliers for many components but may still rely on foreign supply for certain components. Splitting these into three groups would allow two thirds of the total force to remain fully operational in the event that one is grounded or limited in operations.
Unfortunately India appears to be dedicated to supporting some indigenous designs that are inferior to some foreign designs even if built in India. This does not improve the logistical situation because India will still be limited in production of certain components. Access to domestic production of some components is even more restricted if foreign designs are not purchased. This weakens the domestic designs and delays their development.
More Tejas variants should be cancelled, leave only Tejas Mk1A. Then focus on large scale domestic production of Rafale and AMCA development. Production of Su-34 strike aircraft could also be of use, to replace retired MiG-27s and supplement in service SEPECAT Jaguars.
Rafale and Raphael are two distinct/different words!
There is no e between f and l in Rafale.
Rafale is translated as fire burst or wind gust.
Raphael is just an archangel.
Su-30 mki is best but lack of stealth technology.
Hm, let’s not talk about stealth - because the Rafale has also no stealth. It is not a “beacon” - but loaded with missiles and bombs, it will have also a much higher RCS of 1. It cannot be seen as stealthy (in fact even the Su-57 has just rudimentary stealth performance, but due to its internal storage, it would have advantages in a reallife scenario).
The real advantages of rafale is its polyvalence and amount of fuel that it can take
The raffle is a better plane.
That is not completely true (at least not overall in the competition).
In fact, there was a competition between F-16, Saab Gripen, Mig-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and F/A-18 (probably all fighters in the latest block).
The first step was a theoretic very detailed and intense evaluation - and only two planes were chosen to enter practical flight tests: Rafale and Typhoon.
In those tests the Typhoon dominated all tests and was the first choice of the IAF. However the cost per muster plus the cost for the infrastructure (India already uses Dassault fighter jets, which have similar infrastructure to the Rafale), let the defense ministry choose the Dassault Rafale as far more cost effective option.
Why they didn’t chose the Mig (which would have been definitely cheaper at probably the same or higher performance?
• Dependency on Russia (they don’t want to have all eggs in one basket) - I don’t necessary think, that this is a very valid reason, as they have other areas, which they are pretty much full Russian.
• Mig-35 hasn’t been fully developed at times of the competition.
• There were a far increased accident rate of Su-30 MKI’s - they might have doubted Russian reliability.
• Consistency of performance: Russian planes are all about top line performance - but real life performance is often far below the average.
• Russian avionics seem to be quite behind the American and European competition (e.g. despite the fact, that Russia announced a decade ago, to update to AESA radar, they still didn’t deployed it in any variant. This is only one example, which shows, how technological advanced they really are - obviously this is contrary to their propaganda).
Dominik MJ rafale is better period. The f18 and f16 wasn't chosen bc they will not be offered as loaded with electronics. Both are stripped down shells of planes but then again a stripped down Turkish f16 splashed a Russian plane. India pulled out of the t50 deal with Russia bc what India was paying didn't equate to the performance it displayed when asked for a demo. Main reason Russia does not have the resources to produce and or upgrade it's higher end Fighters on mass scale. Ex total number of su35 built today is far behind what the US can and has produced. In 15 yrs Russia has put fourth the mig29 so said upgrade the su35 in low numbers and the t50 still not fully functional. Where as the US has designed test produced and fielded the f22 the f35 the f23 blackwidow next yr and the b21 and the sr72. On top of all of this Lockheed Martin just tested the tr3b which is gravity drive propulsion. Remember this as Russia is known for their great maskarovkas the US is well known to present to the American public of a new technology and new plane when in fact it isn't infact it's made public bc they have something a whole lot better. Ex. F117 debued in late 80s was in service around 78 or 79. The f22 was in service way before the world was made aware of it. Sorry if that butt hurts some ppl but with a 600 billion dollar a yr research defense budget you can develop some really cutting edge toys. The main reason and again I don't wanna cause no butt hurt ppl but this will most likely do it. America will never allow Russia to even come close to its technical ability or military might intact they cant. 2nd America will never allow Islamic nations to pose a threat to America. Ex Israel was given the first f35 for field test and only Israel bc that f35 was the closest to the US version and well we all saw what happened to Russia's Sam site when it fired on the plane. This is why Russia is putting out the bullshit news it does. Russia is surrounded by NATO China knows it better step carefully. Look off skoreas coast see the amount of force America can amass and that not even half. It's what you don't see under the water that's the real threat that's the 3 nuclear boomer subs off Korea's coast. Each sub has 24 slicbms with 8 warheads a missile . That's just the subs don't forget the land bases ICBMs or bombers America has. Any one that remotely thinks Russia is even close to us tech is simply a fool. America has 14 of these subs with 7 at sea all the time. The main issue is they arrived off Korea's coast 2 weeks before the fleet arrived and the subs went right by Chinese islands and they didn't have a clue they were their. This makes China nervous and it should.The other 4 are well 3 are off Russia's coast and Putin knows this the last one is in the Indians ocean just waiting for the call we all hope never comes. Sorry but Putin isn't stupid he knows he cannot compete but he has to appear to his ppl as strong when intact Putin is controlled opposition.
The risk isn't to India. It's the poor fools who sell to India. India's procurement process is beset by corruption, bureaucratic inertia, management chaos and lack of funds. It's a nightmare dealing with all this, and the vendor always loses.
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India France US Russia should unite to kill all terrorists from pakistan . Don't forget that all international terrorist are safely living in Pakistan. Osama found there , dawood , hafeez Saeed, Masood Azar , all are in Pakistan . Pakistan should be ashamed of this .
Russia ,Israel and France our top friends who have been with us during our difficult times......Thanks to these nations and their Citizens.
13/07/17: Today i read in the german newspapers that France and Germany are going to develop together a new jetfighter, also a tank and multiple other military stuff.
Because Ambani can make millions by this deal.
Yup & pappu will get those millions by braking this deal lol 😂😂😂
So many dilusional assholes and pappu chelas.
Pappu can make billions from lobbies if he cancels the Rafael deal...
he already has billions...
Stupid video. First and only reason is, that India is poor country and has not enough money to maintain SU30 properly. That's why many of them already crashed. India hopes that Rafale will be less vulnerable to metal fatigue and more pilots wil be able to perform training missions on single airframe. Rafale is made mainly from titanium and carbon fiber and is lighter, so airframe is more durable. BUT. If Indians are not idiots, they would buy jet trainers, for example Yak 130 and don't use SU30 for training. But they are idiots. The main problem of India is, that they don't have money and they are wasting them on expensive hardware instead of capable trainers.
ro fo people are dying of hunger in india and New Delhi be spending billions on these weapons
U r stupid bro . India is 4th in terms of miliary power nd is buying world's best air defence system. Nd u think India is power ? Sorry bro 😎
Hold on, all you bigotry, narcissist and prejudiced hypocrites. Anyone saying India not having money is obviously an ill informed, lowly, pretending citizen of the world, who are perhaps been ostracised from their own countries, as they are ill informed, useless shit pots. Try coming out of your self built ball of ignorance and self deceit. You many obviously be a racist too to have such "out-dated", hate filled, prejudiced opinions. The day will not be long where all of you vile idiots and morons will be at the door step of India (when it reclaims its glory of thousands of years earlier). Its a matter of time. And the time, just started.
SU30MKI is an unsafe plane, IAF lost lots of in past decade. Su30 is a disaster design from Russia.
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@@vijaypanchal7593 It is better, and in fact, a HIGH time, defence equipment are manufactured indigenously in India. It is now time for that.
Yes...a big day for India.Great !
How many of the original aircraft order has been cancelled? Amazing how much can change in a year.
Rafale is just a better plane. SU 30 is just an old piece of crap that nobody wants to buy
Su 30 is not crap you idiot. Su 30 has a higher top speed, higher armouries carrying capacity, more range than Rafale
This fact was not known to me as to why Rafale was chosen when Su30MKI was already present. Also the terminology MMRCA was cleared. Thanks.
Just got to know, HAL heavy light Tejas wants technology partnership. It's design is kind of similar replica.
True in fact the only reason why India wanted to buy rafale was so that it could get transfer of tech that will help them to build their own fighter plane an upgraded version of tejas when the French refused the deal between both countries almost fell through in the end India agreed to buy 36 rafale jets rather than more than 80 jets as was initially planned
Very smart benchmark, thanks a lot ! By the way please do not change a single thing in your good english accent and blame to the guy" rhodes" funny dude !
Your videos are really good.... I like all your video . Now I want to ask you make a video on S400 procurement and the ban of drones by USA to India
No matter what craft you have you still need competent pilots...
That's true. We have Abhinandan's
We have but don't show off
@@pushpalatasonwane2059 hahaha if that conforts you
@@pokbanegahindustan2160 who the heck is that?
@@pokbanegahindustan2160 dont tell me its the guy that got himself shot down... national hero right
The biggest reason India went with more Rafales is that the Russian engines in the SU30 are not very reliable, and getting replacement parts and engines from Russia has been VERY problematic for India. At any given time over 1/2 of the SU30MKIs are out of service just due to engine parts/issues alone. IE right now there are probably less than 100 SU30s able to fly and fight, while Russia drags its feet helping to get replacement parts/etc to the Indian air force.
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Some valid points. France is no longer the same country as in pre Gulf War and present day Trump world. It CAN BE trusted MORE now. It sees how the powers have changed their alliances and focus. The Three Musketeers "war cry" doesn't quite ring true for France, today. Plus, the US has ALWAYS regarded France with a sneer and a roll of the eyes; culturally attuned, as always! 😏 Thank you for the video. 👏👏👏
There is a little mistake in the video. The war of 1971 was the independence war of Bangladesh in which India helped the patriotic Bangladeshis to achieve their independence. I don't know why people keep on saying that the war of 1971 was india's war with Pakistan. But the real truth is it was the war of East Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh, vs West Pakistan, now Pakistan. India was a helper in the war.
SIMPLE ANSWER: Scamgress Party has always done deals with European defence companies and for smaller deals with as many different Euro companies as possible to maximize the scope for kickbacks. Russian companies are not big into kickbacks. When BJP came to power, based on feedback from Defence Forces, they tried to back out 100% from the Rafale deal (even offering to move order to French submarines) but the French did not agree to it. So India / BJP was forced to go with the minimum number of units for the order and a better price without kickbacks (although some kickback for Rafale was already paid to Scamgress earlier.)
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