As a 43 year old purple belt i know how tough these types of dudes can be. With just a few months of training they get real tough to deal with. Love the videos they help me to realize im not the only one struggling with some of the athletic younger white belts.
True.... we "should"@@Jitsover50 but those strapping young bucks are picking it up as fast as we're losing it. LOL At our age I'm just glad to still be rolling and being able to do as well as I do.
Thanks for posting the video. Love your channel. I'm a 53 year old purple belt and empathize 100% rolling with younger, bigger guys. It can be a humbling experience. I feel that if you can at least hold off, slow down and control the younger, larger guy then that's a win. So many people our age can't even fight their way off the couch, so staying in the fight is a victory in itself. You did a great job against a very large opponent that has a good base of skill. Great point on tapping early. I do the same thing, because at our age recovery from an injury is a slow process. Our young man recovery would have been days or weeks. Over 50s recovery is weeks or months or maybe never so discretion is more important than pride.
This was a great vid and kudos to you for not being too proud to post it. A guy like this becomes extremely dangerous with just a bit of knowledge. If it was his first time on the mat you probably could have won. However, once a monster like that gets the concept it’s a whole different matter. He seemed to be a good guy and was absolutely aware of his size/strength and being very careful with you. A guy like that with an ego is a danger to almost everyone
Thank you! I post win or lose if it is interesting! He's a great guy and does try to be gentle. I think when they see they have you they want to finish where the extra strength comes in. It's fine either way because it forces me to look for answers. To never think my Jiu-jitsu is developed enough.
I train with a guy like this. Just insanlely strong. Approaching 300 pounds. It’s a gift and a curse. They spend years not learning as much because they can just rip key locks From everywhere with minimal wrist control. You have to alter your whole game honestly. But it’s doable. It just takes adjustments. Getting hurt is a real threat tho. That’s the real limitation.
I’m a new white belt. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about retaining guard from watching you, putting hooks in and hand fighting. I try to emulate your calmness when rolling. Big fan of the channel keep up the good work!
The Boyd Belt system is real. Every 20lbs is a belt. Every 10 years younger is another belt. If you do the calculation he's actually a higher belt than you.
It's still a bit inaccurate. I've rolled with new guys around 160-190 pounds who put up bigger fights than some big boys. Weight only matters if you're athletic and know how to use it.
In competitions they have classes for weight, age and rank. It all matters. In the dojo you just need to be careful so no one gets hurt. Lots of power without experience can be dangerous@@omarfarooqi5545
@@kevinsarulis4067I roll with a few guys at 300+ lbs. At that weight, it matters even if you aren’t athletic if you can get top position. If you let that guy start in top…well…
Nice narrative. Thank you. 55yo 150# 4 stripe Blue here. I’ve got a couple of 270#ers that I roll with at the gym. Now both Blue. They’ve progressed to learning that muscling through is not in their best interest when they someday will need to roll/compete with folks their own size & technique and power management (IE using the absolute least amount of power to get the job done) is better. So our rolls have become pretty enjoyable (and trustworthy) as I get to roll with the big guys almost 2x my weight and explore what elements of my JJ work and what doesn’t … like trying to get Kimuras on guys with arms 2x the thickness of mine. Watching your roll, classic white belt move to hyper-focus on the Americana to the exclusion of other techniques … and yah, eventually it’s safer to just tap and reset than risk him snapping your arm. I try to get/hold top position and pressure out … but more often than not, with the size and power difference, end up playing bottom and often end up in “defensive JJ” playing Hawking/Runningman / Panda & Turtle just to survive. I don’t roll with folks much over 220# that I don’t know give my age and lack of comp level strength & conditioning. Anyhoo. Thanks again.
Im a 40yr old blue belt. I started trainning leg lock as a white belt. Im so glad that i learn leg lock at the start. Going againt these big dude is not a problem for me. Im not leg locking white belt. Its gives me alot of entries and escapes if i cant sweeps them
Just found your channel. I'm a 46 yo blue belt that has trained off and on since my 20s. I've seen my body go through changes and tapping early is important now. I've changed my goals from advancing quickly to maintaining longevity. I'd rather train as a blue belt for 20 more years than have to call it quits as a purple belt in 10 or less. I fully support your reasoning for tapping in this situation. Very smart.
Thank you and thanks for watching! Our goals should be to train into very old age and still be able to hold a cup of coffee and not need a cane. Lol. Respect sir!
Hey Anthony, just stumbled upon your channel and I really appreciate it. Thank you for posting videos with such detail and objective description of what's happening. Great learning on fighting a larger opponent in this video. Going against such a massive opponent with so much strength is impressive.
This morning I (2-stripe blue belt) rolled with a 4-stripe white belt. I experienced something similar. I’m 5’8” and 175 lbs and 40, never lifted weights until my late 30’s. my opponent was 6’3” and 240 lbs and in his early 30’s and played sports through college. I knew I was out of my weight class but I didn’t really appreciate his strength until he grabbed my gi. I didn’t even bother trying to use any strength since I knew I’d tire myself out and I wouldn’t accomplish anything. He tapped me more times in those 5 minutes than everyone else I’d rolled with earlier this week.
First off great roll....watch your videos all the time they are great... Secondly kudos to you for having the balls to go up against that side... You can clearly tell that guy is not a kid, he is clearly inbhis 40's if i had to take a guess....that is not beach muscles he has on him...he has mature muscle which i think comes from a powerlifting background....either way great roll... wouldnt want to get into a road rage incident and have that guy exit the car....😂
Respect to both of you. You for posting the video and not having an ego, and him for having regulated control which is not common for a white belt especially one that has the potential to submit higher belts.
Definitely one of your bigger "visually different sizes" videos. While I'm definitely not as big as him, I do get the struggle of having to go 50, 30, sometimes even 20% strength to really practice and hone a technique because of a size disparity between me and my training partner. I do love how you defended and had him relatively off balanced while in different guards. I think I counted 3 or 4 times where you could have pretty effortlessly swept him had he not known how to use his weight to his advantage. Both of you look like amazing peers to roll with :)
Thanks for these and keep going. Being a 40+ competitor myself its aweosme to know theres more of us out there that want to keep going into our prime :)
What's great about jiu-jitsu is the ability to keep training in later years and still being able to improve. Sometimes I am rolling with a blue belt in his 20's and I am not doing so good. Then I think. The fact that I am even in there and giving him a challenge is amazing. The skill of BJJ really is a super power
@Jitsover50 Being physical and Fighting for our life can't possibly make our body weaker therfore BJJ has to be a hidden gem of sorts for longevity. To 60 and beyond brother.
I'm a 48 year old Luta Livre white belt 18 months in. This is my daily experience! I'm smashed by guys 40lbs heavier than me. I learn so much from your channel and I love the narration. Looking forward to every upload and I think age-wise and build-wise we're very similar (wish I had your experience though!)
Thank you for the kindest of comments! I can't imagine how hard it must be for smaller players. Yet all my instructors have been smaller yet highly skilled guys.
61 year old white belt here. Last year I sparred with someone almost double my weight and half my age. Totally smashed. It is what it is. Love your Stay Calm mentality though! Great videos!
You did a very good job my friend. I rolled with a 140 kgs new guy the other day at training. It was a dangerous roll because he had no idea what he was doing and was just throwing himself around in all directions. This giant is at least being a bit of a gentleman with his 280 pounds ☺️
Tap early. Tap often. Well done Brother. I agree 100% with telling him to try to be sneaky about it - because while you're being sneaky and just waiting the other guy will likely make a mistake and other submissions will show up. But, you remember being a white belt and being hyper focused on ONE submission - when you get like that you can't see aaaaanything else. lol Again, very well done with the tap. We live to roll again.... OOOOOSSSSS
Agreed and thank you! Also in my experience big strong, newer practitioners always gravitate towards the Americana. Marcelo Garcia never used Americana or Kimora. He called them "strong man" moves. OSS
I train with a couple big guys like this, 80-100 pound weight advantage. Even though I am at a major disadvantage size wise, these guys are trying to use technique and not their size & strength. I have to do things different against them as I just can't move them as easily. One thing it gives me is feeling the pressure from a guy who is that much larger than you and knows how to deliver pressure. If I can just withstand the pressure and not panic, it makes guys around my size feel so much lighter.
I have a guy exactly the same at my gym and he is a black belt but to be honest, I couldn’t care less about the tap. I am more afraid of an injury due to his weight. At 59 I feel it’s easy to snap a bone so I try to be careful and don’t wait to the last second to tap.
It always surprises me when a black belt uses tons of strength to over power. I find they usually have a lower skill level than most other black belts. Some will even admit that they use a lot of muscle. I find it much more satisfying to control and submit with technique.
Great you have a channel like this- 50 year old 175 blue belt and some good stuff here! You should maybe do some discussion shows with other older guys, that might be cool too🤙🏼ooss
@@Jitsover50 if you ever want someone on a panel discussion hit me up - I would love chatting BJJ, especially from an Old man perspective- we could always chat before having me in your channel- good stuff here though
@@Jitsover50 Lol- I think there is a market for it ( older guy BJJ information)- that’s my issue as well figuring out the tech stuff, that’s why I haven’t tried starting anything
I love to watch you grapple so much. I enjoy your comment a lot. 50 here. Grizzled seasoned grappler. I never go bottom with a bigger guy, perhaps my wrestling background is preventing those beasts from smashing me with their top game. As fro the Americana defense, I don't think you lack strength, I just think you didn't use the proper good old defense: Gile Lachlan, hid your elbow and arm under your side, so that he doesn't have your arm at all, and forced to switch his game to dive in, zoom in focus on something else, that is when big white belts go blank.
Thank you for watching and commenting! You are correct but I felt o couldn’t avoid it. My instructor said he just takes his back. We will roll again soon
Rolling with the super strong guys is always an experience. I feel like there is a tiny box called the submission box and mentally I’m sure this inexperienced guy can’t put me in that box. Then he grabs me and to my surprise and dismay I discover that he has the sheer strength to jam my entire person into the box like a stuffed animal. Weird analogy, I know.
Hey man, I have a question for you. I noticed that when you roll with people (and Billy does this here too), sometimes you look away, as though you're not relying on your eyesight to see what your opponent is doing, but rather using peripheral sight? Is that some kind of technique? Greetings from Croatia, from one stripe white belt. Love your vids, and keep up the good work.
Thank you as always. Yes I look away to just feel. I only do this when there is a connection established. I'm not using the force but it feels similar. Try it the next time someone is in your guard. Especially closed guard when just starting off
Looks like a considerate white belt with some awareness of his size and strength. It can be really hard as a big guy to dial strength down as it's almost reflexive. Technique isn't bad either for white belt. Good vid
yeah man I’ve seen dudes like this submit many higher belt hobbyists and even some of the more serious competitors. belts are cool and all but never forget how far some physicality and strength can take you with some basic time tested techniques
I’m interested in your future rolls with this guy. It’s a tough puzzle to solve because I have few guys like this at my gym and they can just Americana me in my closed guard. I’m looking to try a couple options against them. 1 - If there standing wrestle up and try single leg dumping them over. Based on certain reaction I’m really looking for the back. 2 - if they are on there knees just stand up and run around to their back. I’m not saying these work but I’m finding there almost no gaurd you can play with these guys in most cases. They can just smash you.
I don't have enough experience with rolling with a guy that is 100 pounds heavier. Many of the guys in my gym are big but not THAT big. ha. Good points.
If someone Americana's you in closed guard, it's an instant backtake. Drill that transition so that it does become instantaneous because the window for the transition is pretty narrow. Anthony wasn't able to take the back because of the grip on his wrist and the sheer size of his opponent. Usually, you can take the back with your wrist still trapped, but if their torso is too wide, you can't reach the back.
I have a 260+lb purple belt training partner (im 160lb blue) and it's a challenge just to survive lmao. I've gotten quite good at the leg game though to try and have some sort of path to victory against such giants.
@@Jitsover50 He looks well aware of his own strength though, nothing explosive or spazzy. Just a big dude. It's rolling with guys who for some reason need to _prove_ how strong they are I can do without. Everything just has to be a ADCC final with some people..
Did he have experience in wrestling prior to BJJ? He looks very comfortable in those positions, and his use of Americana is something I would think of as a wrestlers move (key lock).
From what I know he had no experience. He has been training constantly and winning tournaments. The Americana is the first sub most people learn due to it's simplicity and effectiveness. Also if someone is really strong they can just muscle it.
I've been attending BJJ classes for approximately 4 months. I am a smaller 5'4" and 145 lb guy and feel your content really helps me with technique for larger guys. If people are less experienced but much bigger, do you ever feel bad about being submitted in these situations?
I don't feel bad if the guy is 100 pounds heavier. Plus he had some skill. He has been training consistently for around 8 months. The only time I feel a little shame is when I get tricked into submission. I don't like feeling out smarted.
Do yourself a favor and Google "Boyd Belts in BJJ" and see what the Gracie folks have to say about age/weight/skill. It's something like every 20lbs or so is equivalent to a full belt higher ( or something like that ). Beware - there are outliers like the white belt in THIS video. Those guys are just animals and will smoke about 90% of the opponents. @Jitsover50 is crushing it!!
I'm like some weird combination of the both of you in this vid; me? 65 years old, Blue belt 250lbs. I am the the BIG bloke, strong grips, crushing pressure; with only one game ...'Get on top, Stay on top - crush the will to love from them'.
I’m 6’5” 255 and basically this guy in my academy. Most guys won’t roll with me because I outweigh most by 50+ pounds. It’s kind of frustrating. This guy seems to be using more strength than I do most of the time.
It must be tough being a big fellow. Because at the same time you need to be challenged. the problem is there seems to be a shortage of big, technical, training partners who won't injure you.
Anyone that says strength and size doesn't matter is full of shit. And when you add in a couple months of training, they are extremely tough to deal with. I am a 48yr old 160lb, 5'8" 4 stripe blue belt, and I know exactly how you feel in this video. Your defense is awesome though to hold that gorilla off for that long. Nice work!!!
Do you play much half guard? As a larger purple belt with judging by his knee brace similar knee problems I don't enjoy passing smaller guy's half. If he has knee problems he likely will not want to do any kind of standing knee cut style passing which limits his game, and allows you to keep the weight off with the knee shield while you work. You seem to like butterfly which would easily work into half butterfly approach. Good stuff dude.
I think he's so new that he doesn't know much, he knows the Americana (which is one of the easiest submissions to understand) and that's probably his only tool (so everything becomes a situation to use Americana in). He will branch out and get a bit braver in time. Also I get that typically if you are a purple belt you let the white belt work guard passing, but with this kind of strength, weight, age and size advantage there is no shame in switching that around.
I am using the DJI MIC wireless system! Thank you! It's funny you said that. I was testing my mic by doing the first roll narration. After that the channel took off!
178 lb 52 year old purple belt….I have a couple guys like this at my gym. I don’t like rolling with most (whites and blues) because they want to play top game rather than recognizing we can enjoy the roll more if he works on guard and let me try to pass. Gotta play top game against them or all my rolls against them end up looking like this and what’s worse you end up spending a ton of energy and risk getting hurt. If I was built like this I probably wouldn’t worry about Jiu Jitsu 😂
My club has lots of white belts and blue belts who are big guys like that. And they often outweigh me by 60-70 pounds. I just practice my defense because I figure if a monster like that can't submit me in five minutes, then that's like a win for me. That said, there's no shame at all with tapping when you need to. I tap more than Sammy Davis Jr, lol!
@@Jitsover50 Oh yeah, that's so true. I love it when the round is over and I can jump up fresh as a daily while my teammate is still laying on the mat trying to catch his breath. That's how I know that my jiu jitsu worked for me.
I’m on the same boat as you size wise. Watching that roll, it looks like DLR or single leg x could be the best option to ME. Why? All your weight will be wrapped around one leg, which seems to give you a fighting chance.
guards like DLR are unfortunately an injury risk against heavy guys. it puts your knee in a very vulnerable position, and let's face it, once you're 40-50 years old, it's easier to injure yourself. personally i would recommend avoiding any leg entaglement in that situation. the guy will do something stupid or sit down uncontrollably, there goes your meniscus.
Thanks for the content you keep putting out ! Do you strictly train bjj or do you perform other workouts to improve your bjj performance (like weight lifting , calisthenics, yoga etc ?)
Thank you for watching Juan! I train bjj 4 days a week. I usually ride an electric skateboard. I also do quite a bit of hiking. Nothing official I just stay active. I'm no couch potato.
Probably also would have been good to have a conversation with him afterwards about trying to actually learn and use jiu jitsu, instead of just trying to brute strength you into a submission. He's not really learning anything here. He's already demonstrated he knows how to do an americana. Another conversation he'd benefit from is to keep things moving during sparring and if you find yourself in one position for a period of time, to move on and start working something else.
You can't let a guy that size flatten you out. You missed a few opportunities to come under him for leg entanglements (k guard, single leg x). That's the only way your going to sweep/submit a guy this size IMO.
Wait until he learns top pressure subs. He was just doing a pull up to pull you under him instead of moving himself up past guard 😂 holy moly that’s a big man.
tapping way early is so smart. It is just not worth it at all. You know he is going to get it. Who cares. Stay healthy. Keep training. Just freaking tap.
I feel like muscling someone into an Americana is not great practice especially if he already knows he is good at it. Should be going for other moves I think.
@@Jitsover50 thanks! I’m 32 and 6’4, 225 pounds. So not bear as large as that dude but still big enough where I can force subs on people because I have lifted weights for a long time. I can just feel that most of the upper belts are not forcing moves and are rather seizing opportunities to get better positions SGT the subs become inevitable. That’s how I want to roll one day so I go slow and try to match opponents energy. Still working on breath control and stuff a lot.
He would never get that on me at 250 lbs, he didn't use BJJ he only used power. If you train like that you will only hold back your BJJ progression. I would know. Strength can keep you from learning technique and you end up in the blue belt blues for a long time.
@Jitsover50 it's more of a disappointment thing as it starts to become a issue as in other sports just a shame especially for such a pure thing like Ju Jitsu
Super smart for tapping early. Always good to see good practices being shared instead of feeding egos. Nice work.
Thank you Scott. My arm was in a compromised position for too long. I’ve torn my shoulder before. Thank you
As a 43 year old purple belt i know how tough these types of dudes can be. With just a few months of training they get real tough to deal with. Love the videos they help me to realize im not the only one struggling with some of the athletic younger white belts.
Oh I struggle! At our level we should have enough skill to compensate for our diminished athleticism.
True.... we "should"@@Jitsover50 but those strapping young bucks are picking it up as fast as we're losing it. LOL At our age I'm just glad to still be rolling and being able to do as well as I do.
I’m 46 and a purple belt. Lower belt Youngsters always catch me. It’s just the way it is. Throw the ego out and you won’t get hurt as easily.
Thanks for posting the video. Love your channel. I'm a 53 year old purple belt and empathize 100% rolling with younger, bigger guys. It can be a humbling experience. I feel that if you can at least hold off, slow down and control the younger, larger guy then that's a win. So many people our age can't even fight their way off the couch, so staying in the fight is a victory in itself.
You did a great job against a very large opponent that has a good base of skill. Great point on tapping early. I do the same thing, because at our age recovery from an injury is a slow process. Our young man recovery would have been days or weeks. Over 50s recovery is weeks or months or maybe never so discretion is more important than pride.
You have to roll with everyone! Agreed. Thank you and thank you for watching.
Respect for also sharing your taps 👊
I have to. It wouldn't be honest or respectful to my training partners if I didn't. Respect sir
Wooo! That guy was a tank! 270 lbs and all muscle! Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching!
This was a great vid and kudos to you for not being too proud to post it. A guy like this becomes extremely dangerous with just a bit of knowledge. If it was his first time on the mat you probably could have won. However, once a monster like that gets the concept it’s a whole different matter.
He seemed to be a good guy and was absolutely aware of his size/strength and being very careful with you. A guy like that with an ego is a danger to almost everyone
Thank you! I post win or lose if it is interesting! He's a great guy and does try to be gentle. I think when they see they have you they want to finish where the extra strength comes in. It's fine either way because it forces me to look for answers. To never think my Jiu-jitsu is developed enough.
I train with a guy like this. Just insanlely strong. Approaching 300 pounds. It’s a gift and a curse. They spend years not learning as much because they can just rip key locks From everywhere with minimal wrist control. You have to alter your whole game honestly. But it’s doable. It just takes adjustments. Getting hurt is a real threat tho. That’s the real limitation.
I’m a new white belt. I feel like I’ve learned a lot about retaining guard from watching you, putting hooks in and hand fighting. I try to emulate your calmness when rolling. Big fan of the channel keep up the good work!
Also keep your knees pulled up to your shoulders if possible. Thank you! I’m glad you are deriving value from this!!
I second that, the calmness is on point. Thank you for the video
@@frankmapranny5879 thank you for watching!
Cool as a cucumber.
The Boyd Belt system is real. Every 20lbs is a belt. Every 10 years younger is another belt. If you do the calculation he's actually a higher belt than you.
So what’s the solution?
It's still a bit inaccurate. I've rolled with new guys around 160-190 pounds who put up bigger fights than some big boys. Weight only matters if you're athletic and know how to use it.
In competitions they have classes for weight, age and rank. It all matters. In the dojo you just need to be careful so no one gets hurt. Lots of power without experience can be dangerous@@omarfarooqi5545
@@omarfarooqi5545accept that as you age, it places limitations. All of us have to face this sooner or later.
@@kevinsarulis4067I roll with a few guys at 300+ lbs. At that weight, it matters even if you aren’t athletic if you can get top position. If you let that guy start in top…well…
Nice narrative. Thank you. 55yo 150# 4 stripe Blue here. I’ve got a couple of 270#ers that I roll with at the gym. Now both Blue. They’ve progressed to learning that muscling through is not in their best interest when they someday will need to roll/compete with folks their own size & technique and power management (IE using the absolute least amount of power to get the job done) is better. So our rolls have become pretty enjoyable (and trustworthy) as I get to roll with the big guys almost 2x my weight and explore what elements of my JJ work and what doesn’t … like trying to get Kimuras on guys with arms 2x the thickness of mine. Watching your roll, classic white belt move to hyper-focus on the Americana to the exclusion of other techniques … and yah, eventually it’s safer to just tap and reset than risk him snapping your arm. I try to get/hold top position and pressure out … but more often than not, with the size and power difference, end up playing bottom and often end up in “defensive JJ” playing Hawking/Runningman / Panda & Turtle just to survive. I don’t roll with folks much over 220# that I don’t know give my age and lack of comp level strength & conditioning. Anyhoo. Thanks again.
HO-LEE-CHIT, if that white belt walked into my gym….. my hamstrings would pull THEMSELVES 😵💫. 45yr Blue and I’m not small….you’re amazing!
Im a 40yr old blue belt. I started trainning leg lock as a white belt. Im so glad that i learn leg lock at the start. Going againt these big dude is not a problem for me. Im not leg locking white belt. Its gives me alot of entries and escapes if i cant sweeps them
Love narrated rolling style videos.
Thanks
! I hope you check out some of my other narrations. I just started doing them in February
Just glad you survived and didn’t get hurt. That guy was a giant!
Jesus Christ, that’s not a man..that’s a bear 😂
He certainly felt like one. When he isn't mauling me he is very polite and respectful. lol
Just found your channel. I'm a 46 yo blue belt that has trained off and on since my 20s. I've seen my body go through changes and tapping early is important now. I've changed my goals from advancing quickly to maintaining longevity. I'd rather train as a blue belt for 20 more years than have to call it quits as a purple belt in 10 or less.
I fully support your reasoning for tapping in this situation. Very smart.
Thank you and thanks for watching! Our goals should be to train into very old age and still be able to hold a cup of coffee and not need a cane. Lol. Respect sir!
Im a 40 year old blue belt, RESPECT for what u doing! And RESPECT for the white belt for his art to roll, he´s got it!
Thank you! He is a blue belt now btw
Hey Anthony, just stumbled upon your channel and I really appreciate it. Thank you for posting videos with such detail and objective description of what's happening. Great learning on fighting a larger opponent in this video. Going against such a massive opponent with so much strength is impressive.
Thank you sir! I am glad you found the channel! Because of people like you my channel is growing. Thank you!
This morning I (2-stripe blue belt) rolled with a 4-stripe white belt. I experienced something similar.
I’m 5’8” and 175 lbs and 40, never lifted weights until my late 30’s.
my opponent was 6’3” and 240 lbs and in his early 30’s and played sports through college.
I knew I was out of my weight class but I didn’t really appreciate his strength until he grabbed my gi. I didn’t even bother trying to use any strength since I knew I’d tire myself out and I wouldn’t accomplish anything.
He tapped me more times in those 5 minutes than everyone else I’d rolled with earlier this week.
Plus that isn't a big enough difference in skill for you to overcome that weight and age! Yep. Thank you for watching.
Interesting roll, fun to watch. That guy is an absolute unit!
Loved the videos, and so many lessons from this one. Thank you for sharing your journey with us.
Thank you Chelsea! Stay classy my friend!
First off great roll....watch your videos all the time they are great... Secondly kudos to you for having the balls to go up against that side... You can clearly tell that guy is not a kid, he is clearly inbhis 40's if i had to take a guess....that is not beach muscles he has on him...he has mature muscle which i think comes from a powerlifting background....either way great roll... wouldnt want to get into a road rage incident and have that guy exit the car....😂
Not just much stronger but also younger! Good fight!
Holy hell dude, you sparred the hulk! I think every white belts main belt is the Americana. We dont realize we have feet and legs for a while.
What a beast of a man! You are brave to roll with someone this big and strong!
Thank you! He is scary but I trust him!
Respect to both of you. You for posting the video and not having an ego, and him for having regulated control which is not common for a white belt especially one that has the potential to submit higher belts.
Thank you for watching. Respect to you as well!
Definitely one of your bigger "visually different sizes" videos. While I'm definitely not as big as him, I do get the struggle of having to go 50, 30, sometimes even 20% strength to really practice and hone a technique because of a size disparity between me and my training partner. I do love how you defended and had him relatively off balanced while in different guards. I think I counted 3 or 4 times where you could have pretty effortlessly swept him had he not known how to use his weight to his advantage. Both of you look like amazing peers to roll with :)
Thank you for the kind words! Yes he has great balance!
Thanks for these and keep going. Being a 40+ competitor myself its aweosme to know theres more of us out there that want to keep going into our prime :)
What's great about jiu-jitsu is the ability to keep training in later years and still being able to improve. Sometimes I am rolling with a blue belt in his 20's and I am not doing so good. Then I think. The fact that I am even in there and giving him a challenge is amazing. The skill of BJJ really is a super power
@Jitsover50 Being physical and Fighting for our life can't possibly make our body weaker therfore BJJ has to be a hidden gem of sorts for longevity. To 60 and beyond brother.
I'm a 48 year old Luta Livre white belt 18 months in. This is my daily experience! I'm smashed by guys 40lbs heavier than me. I learn so much from your channel and I love the narration. Looking forward to every upload and I think age-wise and build-wise we're very similar (wish I had your experience though!)
Thank you for the kindest of comments! I can't imagine how hard it must be for smaller players. Yet all my instructors have been smaller yet highly skilled guys.
He reminds me of the character Grossberger from the movie Stir Crazy with Richard Pryor.
I feel he could have been the Mountain on Game of Thrones. lol
Great movie BTW
61 year old white belt here. Last year I sparred with someone almost double my weight and half my age. Totally smashed. It is what it is. Love your Stay Calm mentality though! Great videos!
Thank you Tate! Win or lose I put it out there. lol
You did a very good job my friend. I rolled with a 140 kgs new guy the other day at training. It was a dangerous roll because he had no idea what he was doing and was just throwing himself around in all directions. This giant is at least being a bit of a gentleman with his 280 pounds ☺️
Thank you. The key with guys like that is staying behind them. That was why Marcelo favored the back mount. I know easier said than done.
Mssive respect for even sparring with that guy, regardless of what belt he has.
That dude is a beast.. as a fellow older upper belt.. It's always tough on the ego competing against guys like this.
I didn't really expect to win. lol. So it wasn't that bad.
Brilliant commentary - strength/size matters a great deal.....but you look relaxed.....
Learning to lose in a relaxed way, with a little dignity, goes a long way. Thank you John!
Tap early. Tap often.
Well done Brother. I agree 100% with telling him to try to be sneaky about it - because while you're being sneaky and just waiting the other guy will likely make a mistake and other submissions will show up. But, you remember being a white belt and being hyper focused on ONE submission - when you get like that you can't see aaaaanything else. lol Again, very well done with the tap. We live to roll again....
OOOOOSSSSS
Agreed and thank you! Also in my experience big strong, newer practitioners always gravitate towards the Americana. Marcelo Garcia never used Americana or Kimora. He called them "strong man" moves. OSS
Good video. Much respect.
Absolute unit of a white belt.
Im a 50 year old blue belt just gotta submitted multiple times tonight by a young strong white belt. Nothing to be ashamed of.
wow this guy was using sheer power and he was fast as well. Great learning experience here.
He is gifted with genetics! Soon he will combined that with the gift of Jiu-jitsu. Then we will fear him! lol
@@Jitsover50 absolutely he'll be a real menace once he integrates more technique. You found your challenge man lol.
Hopefully by that time he will be kind to me since I helped him along.@@mindexpandingknowledge409
I train with a couple big guys like this, 80-100 pound weight advantage. Even though I am at a major disadvantage size wise, these guys are trying to use technique and not their size & strength. I have to do things different against them as I just can't move them as easily. One thing it gives me is feeling the pressure from a guy who is that much larger than you and knows how to deliver pressure. If I can just withstand the pressure and not panic, it makes guys around my size feel so much lighter.
I have a guy exactly the same at my gym and he is a black belt but to be honest, I couldn’t care less about the tap. I am more afraid of an injury due to his weight. At 59 I feel it’s easy to snap a bone so I try to be careful and don’t wait to the last second to tap.
It always surprises me when a black belt uses tons of strength to over power. I find they usually have a lower skill level than most other black belts. Some will even admit that they use a lot of muscle. I find it much more satisfying to control and submit with technique.
Perfect example of don't underestimate anyone.
I don't think anyone is under estimating this unit
Well, all that hard work Helio put in has been subverted. No pun intended.
Yes because a 50 year old man got submitted by a man who outweighed him by over 100 pounds negates any of Helio's teachings. Thanks for watching!
Great you have a channel like this- 50 year old 175 blue belt and some good stuff here! You should maybe do some discussion shows with other older guys, that might be cool too🤙🏼ooss
I have some interviews lined up!
@@Jitsover50 if you ever want someone on a panel discussion hit me up - I would love chatting BJJ, especially from an Old man perspective- we could always chat before having me in your channel- good stuff here though
Sounds good. I just have to learn how to do interviews on here. haha. @@pstalker73
@@Jitsover50 Lol- I think there is a market for it ( older guy BJJ information)- that’s my issue as well figuring out the tech stuff, that’s why I haven’t tried starting anything
2:41 I can't even imagine how much pressure you felt there. Doesn't look like he's using all his weight/strength either.
He was stronger than me at 10%. haha.
I love to watch you grapple so much. I enjoy your comment a lot.
50 here. Grizzled seasoned grappler. I never go bottom with a bigger guy, perhaps my wrestling background is preventing those beasts from smashing me with their top game. As fro the Americana defense, I don't think you lack strength, I just think you didn't use the proper good old defense: Gile Lachlan, hid your elbow and arm under your side, so that he doesn't have your arm at all, and forced to switch his game to dive in, zoom in focus on something else, that is when big white belts go blank.
Thank you for watching and commenting! You are correct but I felt o couldn’t avoid it. My instructor said he just takes his back. We will roll again soon
at 3:10 , what other submissions can you do or think of? Or even advancing a movement.
was thinking armbar
Totally.
this dude is a beast!! What has he been eating?? Jeepers😮
Plus I lost almost 30 pounds this year. Lol
takes balls to post a video like this....respect
Rolling with the super strong guys is always an experience.
I feel like there is a tiny box called the submission box and mentally I’m sure this inexperienced guy can’t put me in that box. Then he grabs me and to my surprise and dismay I discover that he has the sheer strength to jam my entire person into the box like a stuffed animal.
Weird analogy, I know.
Hey man, I have a question for you.
I noticed that when you roll with people (and Billy does this here too), sometimes you look away, as though you're not relying on your eyesight to see what your opponent is doing, but rather using peripheral sight? Is that some kind of technique?
Greetings from Croatia, from one stripe white belt. Love your vids, and keep up the good work.
Thank you as always. Yes I look away to just feel. I only do this when there is a connection established. I'm not using the force but it feels similar. Try it the next time someone is in your guard. Especially closed guard when just starting off
@@Jitsover50 Alright. Thanks. 🙂
Looks like a considerate white belt with some awareness of his size and strength. It can be really hard as a big guy to dial strength down as it's almost reflexive. Technique isn't bad either for white belt. Good vid
It is hard for any of us to dial down strength especially a colossus. Agreed. Thank you for watching
You are very technical; you very much deserve your belt!
The greatest compliment thank you!
It’s good to see that the big guy is so controlled. A white belt that size could be very dangerous if he was spazzy.
He always rolled cool since he started.
I think guys that big a generally aware of it. Just in day to day life.
Great job
Thank you Scott!
Oh, man, I gave up mentally about seven seconds after he started applying pressure. Dude is a monster.
I wanted to see if I could keep him off with my frames. I couldn’t. Hahaha.
@@Jitsover50 They ought to make a medal for that lol
@@cbrusharmy haha
yeah man I’ve seen dudes like this submit many higher belt hobbyists and even some of the more serious competitors. belts are cool and all but never forget how far some physicality and strength can take you with some basic time tested techniques
I’m interested in your future rolls with this guy. It’s a tough puzzle to solve because I have few guys like this at my gym and they can just Americana me in my closed guard. I’m looking to try a couple options against them.
1 - If there standing wrestle up and try single leg dumping them over. Based on certain reaction I’m really looking for the back.
2 - if they are on there knees just stand up and run around to their back.
I’m not saying these work but I’m finding there almost no gaurd you can play with these guys in most cases. They can just smash you.
I don't have enough experience with rolling with a guy that is 100 pounds heavier. Many of the guys in my gym are big but not THAT big. ha. Good points.
If someone Americana's you in closed guard, it's an instant backtake. Drill that transition so that it does become instantaneous because the window for the transition is pretty narrow. Anthony wasn't able to take the back because of the grip on his wrist and the sheer size of his opponent. Usually, you can take the back with your wrist still trapped, but if their torso is too wide, you can't reach the back.
EXACTLY! I couldn't get my arm around!! Good observations! @@pixelcultmedia4252
@@pixelcultmedia4252 It’s worth trying if it comes up again. Thanks!
I have a 260+lb purple belt training partner (im 160lb blue) and it's a challenge just to survive lmao. I've gotten quite good at the leg game though to try and have some sort of path to victory against such giants.
Leg locks are the way to go with big partners. I just don’t have enough of a developed leg lock game but I’m working on it!
Dam. Reminds me of something Andrew Wiltse said. 'You can't arm bar a gorilla'. Apparently its tough defending against one also.
It felt like getting mauled by a bear.
@@Jitsover50 He looks well aware of his own strength though, nothing explosive or spazzy. Just a big dude. It's rolling with guys who for some reason need to _prove_ how strong they are I can do without. Everything just has to be a ADCC final with some people..
Yeah man! No complaints here. It was a big learning experience actually. @@geneharrogate6911
I'm a 55 y/o 4 stripe blue belt, don't let this guy get on top, ever....
Haha. Agreed.
Man the size difference is massive 😮😮
Indeed sir. Haha
Did he have experience in wrestling prior to BJJ? He looks very comfortable in those positions, and his use of Americana is something I would think of as a wrestlers move (key lock).
From what I know he had no experience. He has been training constantly and winning tournaments. The Americana is the first sub most people learn due to it's simplicity and effectiveness. Also if someone is really strong they can just muscle it.
That looks like a grizzly bear mauling someone!. Kudos to you.
I would love to see him a year from now when he has a bigger arsenal to work with.
I will be avoiding him by then! haha. Me too.
I've been attending BJJ classes for approximately 4 months. I am a smaller 5'4" and 145 lb guy and feel your content really helps me with technique for larger guys. If people are less experienced but much bigger, do you ever feel bad about being submitted in these situations?
I don't feel bad if the guy is 100 pounds heavier. Plus he had some skill. He has been training consistently for around 8 months. The only time I feel a little shame is when I get tricked into submission. I don't like feeling out smarted.
Do yourself a favor and Google "Boyd Belts in BJJ" and see what the Gracie folks have to say about age/weight/skill. It's something like every 20lbs or so is equivalent to a full belt higher ( or something like that ). Beware - there are outliers like the white belt in THIS video. Those guys are just animals and will smoke about 90% of the opponents.
@Jitsover50 is crushing it!!
I'm like some weird combination of the both of you in this vid; me? 65 years old, Blue belt 250lbs. I am the the BIG bloke, strong grips, crushing pressure; with only one game ...'Get on top, Stay on top - crush the will to love from them'.
Sounds scary! Thanks for commenting.
I’m 6’5” 255 and basically this guy in my academy. Most guys won’t roll with me because I outweigh most by 50+ pounds. It’s kind of frustrating. This guy seems to be using more strength than I do most of the time.
It must be tough being a big fellow. Because at the same time you need to be challenged. the problem is there seems to be a shortage of big, technical, training partners who won't injure you.
Anyone that says strength and size doesn't matter is full of shit. And when you add in a couple months of training, they are extremely tough to deal with. I am a 48yr old 160lb, 5'8" 4 stripe blue belt, and I know exactly how you feel in this video. Your defense is awesome though to hold that gorilla off for that long. Nice work!!!
Thank you and respect!
Do you play much half guard? As a larger purple belt with judging by his knee brace similar knee problems I don't enjoy passing smaller guy's half. If he has knee problems he likely will not want to do any kind of standing knee cut style passing which limits his game, and allows you to keep the weight off with the knee shield while you work. You seem to like butterfly which would easily work into half butterfly approach. Good stuff dude.
My half guard was always garbage. Im just starting to really develop it and I love it. Im not sure of his knee issues. Thank youq
I think he's so new that he doesn't know much, he knows the Americana (which is one of the easiest submissions to understand) and that's probably his only tool (so everything becomes a situation to use Americana in). He will branch out and get a bit braver in time. Also I get that typically if you are a purple belt you let the white belt work guard passing, but with this kind of strength, weight, age and size advantage there is no shame in switching that around.
A great reply. Thank you for watching. I agree the Americana is the easiest to understand.
I can feel the pressure but we need him in jiu jitsu just as much as skinny practitioner to re enforce that jiu jitsu is for everyone
Hey man, great videos! What microphone are you using? the quality is so clean
I am using the DJI MIC wireless system! Thank you! It's funny you said that. I was testing my mic by doing the first roll narration. After that the channel took off!
Not only is he a big and muscular, but is he on rods because that's a huge advantage.
100%. He is the mountain. lol
178 lb 52 year old purple belt….I have a couple guys like this at my gym. I don’t like rolling with most (whites and blues) because they want to play top game rather than recognizing we can enjoy the roll more if he works on guard and let me try to pass. Gotta play top game against them or all my rolls against them end up looking like this and what’s worse you end up spending a ton of energy and risk getting hurt. If I was built like this I probably wouldn’t worry about Jiu Jitsu 😂
You are making some very valid points! I honestly hadn't thought about it that way before. Yes he doesn't need Jiu-jitsu. haha
Nice We Defy shirt.
Respect!
My club has lots of white belts and blue belts who are big guys like that. And they often outweigh me by 60-70 pounds. I just practice my defense because I figure if a monster like that can't submit me in five minutes, then that's like a win for me. That said, there's no shame at all with tapping when you need to. I tap more than Sammy Davis Jr, lol!
Haha. Agreed! Also if I can defend and end the round without breathing heavy. If he is exhausted from trying that is the cherry on top
@@Jitsover50 Oh yeah, that's so true. I love it when the round is over and I can jump up fresh as a daily while my teammate is still laying on the mat trying to catch his breath. That's how I know that my jiu jitsu worked for me.
Exactly! @@andrewkim6037
I’m on the same boat as you size wise. Watching that roll, it looks like DLR or single leg x could be the best option to ME. Why? All your weight will be wrapped around one leg, which seems to give you a fighting chance.
guards like DLR are unfortunately an injury risk against heavy guys. it puts your knee in a very vulnerable position, and let's face it, once you're 40-50 years old, it's easier to injure yourself. personally i would recommend avoiding any leg entaglement in that situation. the guy will do something stupid or sit down uncontrollably, there goes your meniscus.
I don’t think that you should have pulled guard, you could have arm dragged to back take.
Could of. Should of. Would of. Thank you for watching! Oss
If you play defensive as opposed to offensive, then just being on the bottom means you’ll get crushed & fatigued by being on the bottom.
True though I didn't feel fatigued,. Also it is good to feel that pressure sometimes. IMHO @@fazer12779
This is my life.
Billy Smash! :)
Lolol. Indeed.
Thanks for the content you keep putting out !
Do you strictly train bjj or do you perform other workouts to improve your bjj performance (like weight lifting , calisthenics, yoga etc ?)
Thank you for watching Juan! I train bjj 4 days a week. I usually ride an electric skateboard. I also do quite a bit of hiking. Nothing official I just stay active. I'm no couch potato.
@@Jitsover50 thanks for reply , I'm so happy I found this channel while beginning my bjj journey.
@@juanlopez154 me too! OSs!
Probably also would have been good to have a conversation with him afterwards about trying to actually learn and use jiu jitsu, instead of just trying to brute strength you into a submission. He's not really learning anything here. He's already demonstrated he knows how to do an americana. Another conversation he'd benefit from is to keep things moving during sparring and if you find yourself in one position for a period of time, to move on and start working something else.
In his defense it is all he knows at the moment. I’m sure his game will expand going forward.
@@Jitsover50 indeed. And that's where you come in to give him some good guidance for all the future people he wants to turn into pancakes :)
@@claytonmedic word!!
Im not sure if “he won all his matches by americana” was an inside joke 😂
I get it! Lol
sparring isn't won by the person who tapped the other one more times, but by the person who learned more from that sparring
100%!
You can't let a guy that size flatten you out. You missed a few opportunities to come under him for leg entanglements (k guard, single leg x). That's the only way your going to sweep/submit a guy this size IMO.
I've rolled with that type of monster. It's scary and humbling.
Yes but we set the bar based on the opponent! If he was 130 pound white belt I may have felt shame. lol
Go deep half brother attain a back take
Billy is also on PEDs. Which is normal in sport. But its always funny to see naturals try to deal with the enhanced
thats a monster of a man lol white belt or not any kinda of training on him will be deadly for most.
haha. 100%.
Wait until he learns top pressure subs. He was just doing a pull up to pull you under him instead of moving himself up past guard 😂 holy moly that’s a big man.
Oh yeah. I can't imagine when he gets near blue belt level. Watch out world!
@@Jitsover50 insane ! You’ve got balls of steel just risking white belt accidents with that level of strength
True but I trust him. He is a gentle giant. lol. As gentle as a giant can be. @@brandona2491
tapping way early is so smart. It is just not worth it at all. You know he is going to get it. Who cares. Stay healthy. Keep training. Just freaking tap.
100%
I feel like muscling someone into an Americana is not great practice especially if he already knows he is good at it. Should be going for other moves I think.
I told him that afterwards. Almost verbatim.
@@Jitsover50 I’m guilty of it too but I try to remind myself to play for position first only been rolling for three months
@@bigkurz that’s a very mature attitude for a beginner! That is the sign of someone who is going to learn quickly.
@@Jitsover50 thanks! I’m 32 and 6’4, 225 pounds. So not bear as large as that dude but still big enough where I can force subs on people because I have lifted weights for a long time. I can just feel that most of the upper belts are not forcing moves and are rather seizing opportunities to get better positions SGT the subs become inevitable. That’s how I want to roll one day so I go slow and try to match opponents energy. Still working on breath control and stuff a lot.
Guy is also going to be on the juice.
He would never get that on me at 250 lbs, he didn't use BJJ he only used power. If you train like that you will only hold back your BJJ progression. I would know. Strength can keep you from learning technique and you end up in the blue belt blues for a long time.
Agreed. It sounds like you would be a good roll. Thank you for commenting!
He should try submitting with other techniques instead of always using the Americana.
He will eventually. Give him a year.
“All muscle “ is a bit of a stretch 😂
Look at his shoulders, back and legs man. Even lean this guy would be like 240-250. It’s not a stretch at all
His forearms are thicker than the other guys thighs for gods sake 🤣🤣
Is he 100% natural for sure do they ask for a test at your place of training
I'm not sure Tom! I don't know anyplace that asks for a test. Do they test at your academy?
@Jitsover50 it's more of a disappointment thing as it starts to become a issue as in other sports just a shame especially for such a pure thing like Ju Jitsu
People have been juicing in BJJ for the last 20 years. It is nothing new sir. That's even if he is. I am all natural. Sadly. lol @@thomasvelazquez9789
Why would you concede top position to a guy that much bigger than you?
I guess because I felt like it.
Congrats to survive against this big guy. Not easy to do this.
Thank you Is this Aikido from Brooklyn?!
@@Jitsover50 From Brazil. Im a black belt in Aikido and white belt i jiu-jitsu. Im 50 years old and walking a new path in BJJ.
@@aikido72 respect!