Five Lessons the MCU can learn from X-Men '97
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The greatest lesson mcu can learn from 97 is making Cyclops the actual leader of X men rather than Wolverine just because he's more rough and tough.
100% agree. In the original comics, Wolverine outright states that he isn't the man to lead the X-Men.
Apparently Bryan Singer was gonna make Cyclops the fearsome leader we all know from the comics and show in X Men the last stand before Fox interfered
Yeah, if you make Wolverine the defacto leader, then he can't be the loose canon.
@user-xp3mn9we3m we need a scene similar to the comic panel when cyclops tells the sentinels to get off his yard and unleashes a huge blast then wolverine say "I remember why you're still in charge."
@rah0210 Absolutely! In the comics, Wolverine respects Cyclops despite their rivalry. In the movies, he just steals Scott's stuff.
I'd like to take a moment to vocalize my Rogue fandom.
Keke Palmer as rouge .‼️‼️‼️
I need rogue fan service
@@IamKel-gf2ty Why? This is the same stuff that happened with Tom Holland's Romeo & Juliet... Just no. It wouldn't work and I don't wanna hear about modern times. The writers wrote her as she is and if they wanted "representation" which clearly no one cared about back then, she would be black. Still in love with the 90s Rogue and we need someone that looks like her on the big screen, and more mature, not like the teenager in the FoX-men. Keke Palmer could definitely work as Storm. Just not a fan when companies or writers race swap unless it's something like James Bond, which I agree that Idris Elba should 100% be James Bond one day but Keke Palmer would just stand out in a role like that.
It would be interesting if she got to be a villain for an entire movie.
Here to make sure the Kitty Pride fans aren't ignored.
If they do Marauders later on... Kitty Pride fans will die happy!
I add my support
The power signature is one of the things that made Wanda work. You INSTANTLY knew when she was involved and it never felt like too much.
An X-Men movie needs that kind of eye catching style to recapture the attention of folks that have lost interest in the MCU and THEN have the writing to carry the story.
Rogue is the embodiment of being a mutant. More curse than blessing. Without being able to be part of a world that hates her or get closer to those who love her. It may not be Omega level on the power scale, but it is in our hearts :D
YOUR NUMBER ONE POINT WAS MY MAIN POINT!
I was so taken by the fact that Cyclops is a hunk again! Rogue isn't just emotional, she's passionate! And Magneto is personal!
I'm glad Scott was given his props he's always been the leader of the X-Men
As someone who *never* cared about the Scott-Jean-Logan love triangle (and over time found it exasperating), I think Wolverine's main relationship in the MCU should be with Jubilee. They could have the same dynamic as Joel and Ellie from TLOU. It would differentiate the MCU X-Men from the Fox movies and free Jean from the most played-out love triangle in history.
100%! The love triangle is boring and tired. I. Don't. Care!
Jubilee deserves a proper live action adaptation.
Isn't she like 16-18? That man is over 200 years old lol
Honestly just skip Logan and bring back Daphne Keene
@@jayymorris5285 the op is not saying that they should have a romantic relationship, but instead a father figure daughter figure relationship. That's why the LoU comparison was given.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie 😂. I thought you'd suggest something else lol.
But yeah, the Wolf and Cub relationship should be focused with Logan, especially since aside from Laura, they never did it in the movies. Kitty, Jubilee, Armor, etc.
15:46 Hate to "well, actually" you, but technically Jean was dead during the decade that Scott and Emma were together. As soon as Jean was resurrected Scott went right back to her. I think Marvel was clearing the decks in advance of Jean's return by making Emma go bad again, if i recall.
Extremely memely voice, sobbing under a blanket on camera: “LEAVE WOLFSBANE ALOOOONE!”
I loved her rizz in the New Mutants movie. I thought the move to making her and Dani a couple was out of nowhere. But who could resist Maisie William's ch arm? That's one of the things that worked for me.
@@bodhimind108 It's not really out of nowhere when you read the New Mutants comic. Claremont was always writing about their "special bond." This is Chris Claremont code for a girl/girl relationship. It is a well known secret that Claremont likes to write all his women as bisexual.
@@razorwolfetheoriginal5385 it's been a while. Imma have to look back. I can believe it though.
I'm going to add onto your thoughts on Jean Grey and argue that the only reason why the Phoenix Saga worked originally was because Jean was already a well established, well known quantity in the X-Men. Phoenix does not work if Jean's character traits go from "attractive but bland" to "attractive but evil". It works if she's already a well known character with her own depth for the Phoenix to play with. Otherwise, there is no weight behind her transformation. It would be like giving us the black suit in the first Spiderman movie.
Their other mistake in the films was repeatedly going from barely-there baseline Jean Grey straight to the Dark Phoenix, and skipping the whole part where she's just Phoenix. There was never any momentum built up over time. Ideally, and way, way down the line, there should be one entire film where she's just Jean as Phoenix. There's a lot of cosmic adventure and character progression in that part of the saga, but it always gets skipped over.
Or killing Superman in the second Superman movie. That's ridiculous, who would be crazy enough to do something like that?! It's super bad writing.
The whole point of the Phoenix saga was taking a bland girl and making her evil. Jean went from the weakest and least developed of the o5 to the most powerful and significant once she became Phoenix only for all that new found power and clout to slowly corrupt her.
@@azuresaiyan9005 that's the theme of the saga, but audiences have to properly know who Jean is first for the story to have any weight. At least Claremont took some time developing Jean before introducing Phoenix, and then took even more time progressing her to Dark Phoenix. The movies always want to skip to the end and leave out nearly everything else.
You might be literally the ONLY RUclipsr that understands the Xmen, and thats not an exaggeration. In one video you have explained the 2 most mis-understood xmen comic facts. 1) its a lot about the interpersonal drama. 2) let hugh jackman go, and while youre at it relax on the wolverine focus. Its like, the internet understands the facts of xmen lore but no clue what it was really about. people, with powers. not powers with names. Amazing video and thanks for making me feel like Im not crazy for thinking all of these things.
No hate, but plenty of comic RUclipsrs understand this 😅 troyoboyo, Linkara, Comic Pop have all mentioned similar points. I think it's the execs making this stuff that haven't gotten the message TBH
@@jordanromesburg6819
I'm so glad Nando mentioned the success of the movie Blade is what made the MCU possible
It's annoying to see other RUclipsrs who should know better constantly claim it was spiderman or X-Men
And I'll say it bring back Taylor as Gambit he was spot on
Most comic RUclipsrs and really just comic fans say the same thing
This is CosmonautVarietyHour erasure and I will not stand for it.
Y’all need to stop saying such outlandish things to make your points seem more meaningful.
What the MCU needs to remember about the X-Men is that it is a big freaking Super Powered Soap Opera! 9/10, it is the most cliched daytime, All My Children, Days of Our Lives, the Young and Restless, soap opera to exist, in all of the best ways.
Wholly agree with your takes, here's an additional five from me.
1. Agent Fred Duncan. Humans shouldn't all be the enemy. If Marvel made an X-Men movie where all the humans were terrible it would entirely miss the point of the civil rights allegory. Agent Fred Duncan of the FBI is the solution to this. Have someone in a position of power be an ally the the mutants.
2. More spotlight for POC characters. Bishop, Storm, Forge, Mirage, Karma and so many more X-Men are typically sidelined for mutants like Cyclops, Jean and even Gambit. The movie would again, entirely miss the point of the X-Men, if they had a mostly white cast.
3. Senator Kelly, Reverend Stryker and Bolivar Trask. These characters could pose a threat to the first team of mutants. Not just by sheer power via the Sentinels, but by spreading hate and fear.
4. Don't be afraid of absurd mutants. Cameos from lesser known X-Men such as Maggot, Anole and Banshee would make this movie feel more like a film about acceptance, rather than a corporate superhero blockbuster.
5. Have the creative team read obscure X-Men books. Operation Zero Tolerance and X-Tinction Agenda would be great.
Absolutely all of this!
yes to this. i think the most important thing is to understand what the "mutant metaphor" means and let that inform the rest of your storytelling.
As long as my boy Cyclops is made THE MAN i’ll be happy
One of my favorite lines in X-Men 97 is when Logan says "you're Jean Grey. He's Scott Summers. Those are the rules." Like yeah, we're kind of always told they're the couple, they always will be the couple, no questions asked.
As president of the Rachel Summers fan club she is obviously the most important female X-man, I mean come on this is basic stuff.
Rachel is criminally underrated. She has a unique weakness (mind control / suggestion), she brings the Summers drama without ever going Dark Phoenix, and she can make out with anyone the plot requires.
You'll be getting my vote for President again this year, sir.
Hold on?! Your the president of the fan club?! I've been owing dues since she was hunted down by a shi 'ar death squad and went off to space the fight back! Love that girl!
I’ve found my people.
Comic book Scott Summers is one of the most complete and interesting character journeys in all of super hero comics. They absolutely need to center the live action X-men around that journey. His hero to villain to anti-hero arc is fantastic, believable and most importantly, interesting.
The main issue with the use of Jean as Phoenix in movies, we skip the important part. She never establishes herself as _the_ Phoenix. We go straight to "corrupted by absolute power" Dark Phoenix. In the comics, Jean was Phoenix for years before being the Dark Phoenix for one storyline. The context of which has long been bastardised ever since.
The lesson that Nightcrawler can be wise and a fun loving badass is key.
Cyclops is my favorite superhero (If you couldn’t tell from my name and profile picture). I love his character because he is very flawed. It’s very interesting. Although he’s flawed, he always tries to learn from his mistakes and tries to fix them. Also, I like how through everything Scott ends up with Jean. I like him and Emma, but Scott and Jean are better.
I think thats what makes him great, hes flawed but he does whats right no matter what
Scott is also my favorite. I started reading around issue 120 and his leadership skills were immeasurable. He is also shown early on as a fight tactics master especially in danger room fights.
I don’t see him as dumb, I see him as having an emotional blind spot. So fight smarts, heart sharts.
Scott and Jean is a boring couple.
@@azuresaiyan9005 That’s your opinion, and that’s okay. Although, your grammar was incorrect. It should say, “Scott and Jean are a boring couple.”
@@OpticBlast-yk5hf Scott and Jean are a boring couple
Another thing they captured on the show was the friendship between Jean and Storm and how amazing they are together. Maybe explore that in a way that is not remotely queerbaiting. In fact, a lot of what makes the X-Men so much fun is the friendships and camaraderie which got completely lost in the live action movies,
I don't know how anyone can see that as "Queerbaiting". Not all the X-Men end up with each other. But I do hope they show the kind of makeshift family that was the og 5: Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast and Angel.
YES! This is what they need to capture: the family aspect. I keep seeing people talking about "everyone hooks up with everyone" and I'm sorry, but no, I'm not interested on that. I didn't watch Avengers movies to see who would hook up with who, I watched for how they work as a team of friends.
I think it's interesing (and a little weird) that this such a thing. Marvel Studios made X-Men 97. They have shown to us that they know how this works, right? Not that they work in the MCU and all, but they have shown us that they know how these characters should interact & fight, which characters should be used, which characters should lead and stuff. They have shown to us with X-Men 97 that they know. If they can implement it in another project besides X-Men 97 as well is a question for another time, but I think it's safe to say that they understand what they need to hit.
On a more abstract level: Feige has always mandated the MCU movies have "no messages" in them. All spectacle, no substance. But X-Men '97 was ABOUT things: the grim quotidian reality of oppression, the complex relationships and expectations between parents and children, finding yourself in a world that won't let you be yourself, all the myriad ways the majority can let you down if you're a member of a minority, the cycle of trauma and how to break it-even just gesturing at these themes is more than the live-action stories have ever been allowed to do. So my main hope is that the near-universal critical acclaim for X97 (and those cold hard streaming numbers) inspires those restrictions to lighten up a bit.
You can't do X-Men without message. It doesn't work. The message is baked into every drop of ink on every page of every comic they've ever written. They're outcasts in a world that fears and hates them, yet they fight to protect those very same people who want them dead. It doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be) preachy, but it has to be there somewhere.
Do you have a source on that? Plenty of MCU movies are message. The GOTG trilogy is about abuse survivors rebuilding themselves. Ragnarok was about decolonization. Black Panther was rooted in real African diaspora. Captain Marvel kicks off being told to not use her talents to merit a man's approval.
Yeah the first thing that happens in the MCU is a critique of cynical US involvement in Afghanistan. The MCU has tons of political and moral messages. It just doesn’t stop the movie for long moralizing speeches all that often. But preaching does not equal message. Show, don’t tell.
I mean, one thing is to have a message well developed like the whole political climate surrounding antiterrorist tactics in 'Iron Man', another is to have only the message with no development like the exposition dump of antipollution campaign in 'Aquaman'. If the message isn't there as a theme within the story, just to preach random babble, it actually drags the movie down because then it becomes a serious piece sticking out on a silly product, where it doesn't fit and doesn't help the viewer to immerse themselves, hence why "show, don't tell".
Regarding power signatures: At the very least, please just make Magneto's eyes glow when he uses his powers. Like in Super Hero Tiger's edits. (And like Wanda.)
Quintien (Kid Omega) is Pink. He rocks that pink.
I only remember him having blue for one artist.
I came here to say this
Yeah, the worst mutant had a whole romance in this show...wait Wolfsbane? I meant professor X
Eh ion think he’s the worst just one of the most hypocritical 😂😂
I'm a simple man, I see the Marvel's Midnight Suns game, I upvote.
I’m still debating whether or not to play this game
Such a criminally underrated game, imagine if we could get an x-men style game in the same vein?
Now lets talk about what they should do with Howard the Duck
Thank you for the Storm ⛈️ shout out!!!!
Don’t take this the wrong most of the advice here seems vague and shallow, but I agree with the power signature and less wolverine.
So let here’s my take.
1. Show MCU characters being intimate with each other and show close they are.
3. Make a cyclope cool and give him more depth. He should be allow mistakes because he’s only human and he still triest to be best version of himself because of the circumstances that he is in.
4. Maybe but it’s the hook that draws us into her character. I do wish they created inner conflict with her that’s not tie into Scott.
I think if they had to do again they do something different with it or make it a whole other entity/character altogether.
X-Men '97 was fantastic
I always thought they should have done a solo Wolverine movie before they made the first X-Men. It would have been a lot cheaper and, if successful, would have brought in a lot more money for the first X-Men movie. Imagine the first X-Men with the budget of X2. Not only that, with the Wolverine character already introduced, the film could have spent a lot more time with introducing the other characters.
This Rogue DISRESPECT will NOT be tolerated 😂
Scott is not dumb. Scott was never dumb. Scott tends to have his idealism shattered by realistic standards and occurrences, extending from his "boy scout" upbringings. Scott also makes mistakes - especially personal ones rather than battlefield related ones. His development and grittiness deepens due to his journey of being trained as a boy scout in transitioning into a battlefield tactician.
Other than that, I continue to enjoy your content.
I also enjoyed your Staten Island joke.
My problem with the movies jumping to Dark Phoenix is that they always skip over her just being Phoenix. You want to do Dark Phoenix? Fine, but Jean has to get the Phoenix powers at least one full movie before she even starts to hint at becoming the Dark Phoenix. It was a saga...not a single movie.
Calling Cyclops dumb because he feels guilty for “abandoning” his son and then accepts it’s what necessary is a wild take. Add to that you think he wants to sleep with Wolverine and it’s just ironic.
Talking about power signatures, one piece comic does this really well, every abstract power looks distinct even without any color.
The looming threat of Dark Phoenix is a fundamental part of Jean's character. I agree that they shouldn't rush into a full Dark Phoenix story, but the hints of it I think are very interesting.
You really nailed it! Specially 3 and 4! I'm just tired of all these wolverine taking the lead. 😬🤷♂️
1:50 Ok So I'm glad I'm not the only one that picked up on the lack of chemistry between T'challa and Nakia.
Like Star Wars, I think I am enjoying the animated stuff more than live action now.
jeremy allen white as wolverine. He's short, recently gain muscle and a fantastic actor!
Great video! I think one thing both attempts at Jean/Phoenix on screen missed is that they went straight to Dark Phoenix. What made the comics so compelling is that Jean got to be a full-on superhero and enjoy it for a long time before the descent into Dark Phoenix. They need at least one movie where she's just Phoenix and we get invested in her as Phoenix, so the turn to darkness is more tragic.
not a bad itinerary. i have just one addition:
find a way to get chris clairmont on the project in an advisory role. i am hard pressed to think of any one person who understands these characters and stories better than that guy.
Frosty Summers is the couple name I came up with for Scott and Emma.
that or Scott Emmers.
Rogue fan here to prove you right. I mean... yes she's in third place but also I love her
one thing i ABSOLUTELY want them to do is a Spider-Man and Kitty Pryde Romcom Team-Up Movie that WOULD GO SO HARD
Replace Spider-Man with Nightcrawler, and make it just a road trip comedy.
@@azuresaiyan9005 amazing
i really hope/wish that they can become buddies
Your "oh, *okay*" list is missing one, that being Killmonger and his girlfriend necking in the back of the ambulance in Black Panther. Seriously. Their chemistry is off the charts.
The staten island joke was perfect
Nice work.
Great video! Great takes, beautifully constructed ideas! I offer a couple more:
6: Hire at least one Black writer and/or a Black director.
A big part of the success of 97 comes from the explicit Black coding of several characters. From the team boding over basketball, to Magneto’s whole speech to the politicians in the sky, to Cyclops using the term “saying the quiet part out loud” , these touches enriched the story and you need at least a couple of Black folk in the writing room in order to find them.
7: Emphasize cool-assed teamwork in the fight scenes!
The X-Men fight uniquely well together, because they know each other intimately and because they train a whole bunch. Gotta make that a primary feature of the movies! Think battle of New York, think the Showtime Lakers. Every X-Fight should feel like that - like a beautiful dance. Gimme Wolverine being Fastball special-ed onto a sentinel as it tries to divebomb the team. Gimme Gambit energizing a car just as Rogue swoops down and tosses it through a hole Scott just made in a bunker … stuff like that.
Man, I love when Kevin watches your videos!
Even beyond Jean, Emma, and clones thereof (lookout Cuckoos!), any time Scott Summers has a relationship lapse, he almost always immediately finds another woman eager to cuddle up with him. When the X-Men thought Jean and Beast died in a volcano (long story), suddenly he was spending a lot of time with Colleen Wing. After "Jean" died as the Phoenix, he met a woman named Lee Forrester to pal around and wash up on Magneto's island with. Even Madelyn Pryor falls into this category somewhat, with the added twist she turned out to be Jean's clone. But the key defining factor in all these relationships is that as soon as Scott finds out Jean's alive again, he drops them like yesterday's tacos and goes back to her without so much as a "seeya!" In fact, I'd say Emma falls into this category too, for the same reason, despite him starting up with her a bit before Jean dies for once.
Give me Rogue or give me death! 😤😂
the fact that Glob Herman and chamber had all of their charm surgically removed is impressive honestly
I though Quinten was the one with a pink power signature? Oh, whatever 😅
You thought right! I remember him only being blue briefly.
We don't talk about the throuple. Also, neither Gambit nor his brother in law Nightcrawler are a B list anything in the pantheon of X-Men....🤬.
I totally agree with getting rid of realism
I don’t think Wolverine got so much attention from Fox because they loved him. I think they liked bed how people responded to Jackman in the role. The real challenge will be both not leaning too much on whoever is the new Wolvie, plus resisting the urge to center any other breakout character that might pop like he did.
Had to pause at 3:07 because Nando with his track record of liking the coolest mutants hating Rahne was NOT on my 2024 bingo card
To be fair I think the only time Jean was interesting in the movies was when she was Phoenix and even in the comics..if she isn’t Phoenix, cloned or trying to prevent her future from happening and entering everyone’s mind while she learns about her self then I don’t wanna see her. My favorite form of Jean tho was in the wolverine and the xmen show when she lost her memory and that arc
I truly believe nobody gets the xmen like Nando, great video
Betsy Braddock mentioned i am overjoyed
For me a fourth very interesting thing they did with "Jean" was her wanting to live a normal life out of the X-men. Made sense with her character. She has always been the most reasonable of the X-people, she had been with them the longest, she has been through more than everybody and has sacrificed herself, she rejected unimaginable power and possibilities; ofc she wouldn't want to keep risking her life specially having a child. As a fan I don't want her to be out of the X-men and the X-men never get what they want anyways, but giving her that direction made me feel her growth and it is indirectly a motivation for her to deal with all the immediate threats so she can retire, so it works without taking her out of thee action.
Disappointed you didn’t cut to a shot of Tobias in his jean shorts when you said “nevernudes”
X-Men 97 understands that Jean Grey is interesting when she's powerful. She doesn't have to be fainting or at risk of corruption by the Phoenix. In the comics they've long understood this. Jean manages omega level powers and takes on omega level threats.
I think the big problem with the attempts at doing the Dark Phoenix saga in the movies, is that they didn't do the Phoenix saga first. You've got to get to know and get invested in Jean Grey before the events of Dark Phoenix can have any kind of impact.
Also, it would be nice to see villain Rogue before she joined the X-Men, especially with Captain Marvel being a big part of the MCU.
X-men 97 was a nice reminder that Wolverine is A member of the X-men, not THE member.
Man. I was really hoping “Make Storm a multi-dimensional character with impact” was in your top 5.
Power signatures!!!!! Bro they should hire u
Maybe not have their color signatures, but if you dont use color, you can definitely play with sound. A lot of the time, in X-Men: Evolution, a mutant's power signature isnt just visual, its audio. We KNOW what Jean Grey's telekinesis sounds like. We hear the guitar riff every time Avalanche uses his power. Magneto's powers have a distinct sound to them. So they could do that too.
Great video as always, Nando. And now, to Nebula!
We need sexiness so bad in the MCU!
It’s not the X-men movie. It’s the speculation advice and apprehension we encounter along the way
Re Wolfsbane - How DARE you, sir!
One thing that needs to be added KF's notes: If you use Mister Sinister, make sure he has an English accent!!
Yeah, that X-Men helicopter scene would have looked more dynamic if there were visible blue/white ripples streaming off of it, and a pink or orange mist was swirling around it, sort of fighting for dominance.
I will say though, I don't even want to include Jean. I think the first movie should be structured around Giant Sized with largely the same team, and Jean should probably be out of the picture. The girls should be Storm, Rogue, Kitty, Psylocke, and maybe Emma, in that order. I do like the idea of a Goblyn Queen arc, but it's such a slow burn for MCU properties. I think if they do any big "X-Men focused whole MCU Endgame fiestas," it should be House of M.
Dark Phoenix is like the Venom Spider-Man story. It is cool but we really don’t need to see it again.
My hope was Marvel would create a Weapon X Disney+ series where each episode focused on a different hero or villain that went through the program.
Wait. The same writer who failed the first time on the Dark Phoenix story was hired again to write the same story... and suprise... it was a disaster. Wow.
Nando you should do a video where you discuss the storylines of X-Men movies in the order in which they should be made into movies in the MCU
You wouldn’t have to write fan screenplays but just give your thoughts on whether a movie about Apocalypse should be before or after a Phoenix movie, or before or after a Days of Future Past movie
Because I think the Fox X-Men movies really stuffed up the order of these massive consequential stories as I’m not sure whether the Phoenix stuff is bigger threat or better movie to end on than an Apocalypse movie
Storm and Cyclops should be the main leaders especially Cyclop
Cyclops; 1st In Command
Storm; 2nd In Command
I am once again asking for people in general and you specifically to understand and remember that telepathy and telekinesis are not synonyms, they are distinct, different powers. With respect, this mistake drives me up the wall.
Quick correction: Jean DIDN’T get to do her own thing when Scott and Emma were together. She was specifically killed off because Marvel didn’t want to do a divorce storyline (this is the same reason Pete and MJ were given a deal with the devil storyline instead of an actual breakup), and her adult self wasn’t brought back until Scemma had run it’s course and Scott was brief dead. And once he was back, they were back together. So Jean has never really had a “do her own thing” period.
I feel like this might be a who was in paris reference but you listed a lot of colours for x-men but what colour is bishop?
The problem with the Dark Phoenix movie depictions si they didn't give Jean enough screen time leading up to it. The X-Men are supposed to be a family and she's... not mom, but like the oldest sister that sometimes fills in for mom. We don't really see her relationships outside of Wolverine creeping on her and Cyclops being jealous. And she is not really active in those. She doesn't really interact with anyone else.
Where was she when Rogue was having trouble adjusting? She took a back seat to Storm when bringing Nightcrawler. She never gives Professor X grief about her lousy codename. She never covers for the other students when they do something dumb. Dark Phoenix doesn't hurt unless we care about Jean. We need to see her role in their family.
I agree with most of your points. However I think a spot for both Jean and Scott could have been added to one category. I think a more important point, especially when it comes to the xmen, is more authentic diversity. Banshee is Irish for example, I dont think they've ever had an African storm, etc. Part of the reason why xmen are beloved is that anyone can find themselves a character they identify with and love. Thats more important than cyclops is cool. To add to your power signatures point, more powers being used in interesting ways. Less punch punch. Like you said, cyclops powering up bishop. Things like that but creative and unique ways of being a team
Agree with ALLLL 5. 100%
about power signature we already saw in the MCU Scarlet Witch have one like the comics. Probably Jean will be pink too
Are you still gonna do the DCU Batman/Bat-family fancast video?
Just spied the next video on Nebula, get excited people.
Even though Cyclops is the leader and Wolverine is not I guess in live action it all depends on which character has the bigger movie star attached to them and that is the deciding factor for leadership.
The Staten Island comment is so true lol
For Scott I always thought that he had to have a very attractive mind. His presence could calm or attract telepaths. It made more sense why 3 different super hot telepaths liked him. At the same time he was one of Charles closest students, a super powerful telepath.
Though we gotta agree that the best mutant team has to be
THE NASTY BOYS
"Less-verine is Mor-verine" Nope. Fox's X-men success is built around Wolverine; the more Wolverine, the more box office success and the more audience appreciation.
lol yeah I was coming here for that.
I seem to be the only person who wants a xmen series not movie. With so many characters and amazing you can slowly introduce everyone. I would want a feature film budget. I would see season one as a intro to jubilee that leads to morlocks ending with the massacre. Writes out some xmen temporarily with injured members. That can lead into a apocalypse season since he recruited during the massacre. Then the return of sinister in inferno season. And finally a genoshan sentinel season. So many spin-offs could be set up plus set up future movies like dark phoenix or AOA. Plus still say need lesser known actors on multi year deals. Maybe that’s just me I am a huge xmen fan but a two movie gives no one enough screen time in a large team. We liked the avengers but already knew most of them prior.
It could be interesting to use the Hellfire club, the WHOLE club, as the first movie's villains so you can setup Emma as a villain, and then have movie 2 or 3 include Emma seeking out the X-men for protection from whatever new baddie is on the scene. Or even just give her a super messy break-up with Sebastian Shaw! And then just not follow up on it. It would be hysterical and pure X-men melodrama. Could even have her hitting on Scott as a rebound thing.
And I honestly think a great first outing villain that hasn't gotten any major attention for the X-men would be Sauron. For one, the LOTR jokes would be great. But beyond that, he's a novel opponent with such an over the top personality that also has the brains and power to stand against a whole team.
And he could be the perfect kind of twist villain. Establish Dr. Lykos early on, the friendly doctor who is sympathetic to the mutant cause and doesn't mind doing a little under the table work when an X-man gets an injury that's worse than bumps and scrapes.
For a significant portion of the movie, have someone like the Purifiers or FoH or whatever hate group as the visible antagonist. Then have the moment when you first show Dr. Lykos's ability, life draining one of the bigots to defend a mutant. But then, while Lykos is working to save one of the X-men, he gets hit BAD and in desperation takes a little too MUCH mutant energy to save himself and BAM! Vampire Pteranodon!
I think they really need to just pace it for a trilogy of films from the beginning and take the time to introduce characters correctly.
The first movie should only be a team of 6, maybe 7 members. There is no need for an Eternals-sized roster in the introductory film. Of course, It's different because people already know most of the X-Men characters, but there is still no need to overstuff the first movie. If they do the Giant-Size #1 storyline for the 2nd movie, they can organically double the size of the team in Act 1 of the sequel.
They need to do a "Charles and original team fight Magneto" story for the first movie. Keep it simple, maybe even trade out Warren and Bobby for more popular characters, it doesn't really matter... Hank, Jean, Scott, and Charles are the most important for this part.
Then do a version Krakoa for the second movie. That way, you can just add another 6-7 characters to the lineup, which is super-important to do quickly in the arc, but would make the first movie too convoluted.
Then... that is when you do Mutant Massacre or another crossover storyline for the 3rd movie.
That way, you introduce a reasonably sized team, expand it, and then marry it into the larger MCU... all in order and without shoehorning too much in at once.Basically just streamline the first 20 or so years of X-Men stories, *then* worry about bringing them into the larger MCU.
For instance, when Nightcrawler and Spider-Man inevitability do a team up, it needs to be earned and feel organic.
Sorry for the rant... I've been pondering on how I would bring the X-Men into the MCU for a while, now.