Same thing happened the other day in the Tampa Yard. The circus train had to back up off the main to let Amtrak 91 Silver star go by then he pulled out.
Nice video, however if the train was slipping the engineer would have dumped the brakes. The pads would have gone against the wheels and the wheels would stop turning and start sliding on the rails. This would have made a lot of noise. The engineer was tying to "Slack" the train to get it rolling aging. Now a bought the Amtrak train. He could not have been that close to the rear end of our freight train. First off automatic signals would not let the Amtrak fallow that close. Second of all we know this because you said that they brought two extra locomotives in from behind to push. That could not have happened if Amtrak was that close to the rear end of the freight train.
Like I said in one of my comments. The amtrak train was stopped at the lock behind this freight train and there was another line that connects with this line between the back of the freight and in front of the Amtrak. Amtrak was about 1/4 to 1/2 mile behind the freight in the next block.
Wow! You have truly captured the drama, the excitement, the terror, the nail biting suspense, the life and death struggle that is: a train spending an hour backing up at one mile per hour. (Well done, Fellini)
Yes, there are tracks that are going up a grade there. I’m surprised you didn’t know. One video I watched zoomed in on a train long distance in Florida and you could see hills the track was going over in the distance
Love the channel man! I live up in Maine the Amtrak runs about 200 feet from my house. Fun to watch in the winter when that tracks are covered in snow.
Let's see @ 2:12 sounds like brakes squeaking 2:48, train "shrinks" (couplers clunk) engine and front of train resisting forward motion. doesn't seem right.
What most likely happened is that one of the engines was having mechanical issues, and lost some of its tractive effort. The railroads (at least the one I work for) have whats known as a train list or a "wheel" report. This shows each engine, how much horsepower per ton (HPT) is needed, and how much HPT they actually have. It also shows where each rail car is in the train, and what each rail car has loaded onto it.
I think your right about an engine having mechanical issues, I just can't imagine them miscalculating the power need this badly...(I lived next to a L&N come CSX line all my young life, just before they had to hit old Greyhampton Hill, one of the biggest hills in central KY before you come into Louisville and they NEVER made this mistake (although I did see them side a burning locomotive once before the crew bailed!).
If they are slipping and almost hitting Amtrak.....how does the pusher tack on between Amtrak 91 and the coal train? It's not as dramatic as the title says. They are clearly shoving to either clear crossings or get in position for the pusher to tack on. Or both.
This what happens when the CSX PTB (Powers That Be) failto read tonnage ratings for the power and either cut the tonnage down or put another unit on the train BEFORE it gets into trouble. I've seen this before, we used to call it "pencilling the tonnage", just to deceive the train crews and get them out of the yard. There's an old saying, you can fool the men, but you can't fool the engines. This kind of crap also gives Amtrak a bad name for delays even though it's not their fault Chances are Amtrak engineer was listening on the radio, and when he saw the rear end of the freight getting too close told the CSX job to dump the air. If they had to add power, Amtrak probably had to back up to clear for the pusher power. As Amtrak is running on CSX's line, it is not the responsibility of Amtrak to push the CSX, it would be somewhat dangerous to the passengers to be jostled by the surges of the freight train as well.
The Engineer was probilty saying to himself repeatily: " I know I can make it up this hill". But once his train started to move backwars his thought changed to: "Ohh Crap!"
Empty cars and a slight grade are not going to slow those two loco's, they weren't even on the throttle hard in the video. It looked a whole lot like a switching operation, maybe they just backed on a siding and picked up those 2 in the rear. Slacking and un-slacking a train like that is a coupling procedure.
Kevin Wheaton Yeah this looks like the case, it does look to me like when the train first started moving backwards it was more likely due to them being pushed (by the locos on the front, presumably) rather than because they were rolling back.
They have stopped the whole train but because the wheels have hardly any friction because their metal the whole train just slips downward But I do agree with you it does seem very off how far it went though
Amtrak was about 1/2 mile behind him in the next block signal and there was another line that connected to the other after the signal. So the extra engines came from the other spur before Amtrak and behind the Freight.
Could the Amtrak train have disconnected their engine(s) and pushed the freightrain? Seems that would waste far less time than bringing locomotives from somewherelse. Was this train intentionally backing to get another start at the slight grade? Or was it switching out some cars into a siding? Does not appear that it was slipping. Brakes were not applied until we heard them being applied.
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If the train was rolling backwards down the hill, wouldn't the brakes be on? Since it is a single track, how can they get the helper engines behind it if the Amtrack train is behind it?
I think that the conductor only stopped to buy cigarettes but misestimate the stopping point and had to go a little backwards to align the locomotive with the parking meter.
Did you notice the high tech solution to a hole in hopper car rags stuffed in Tyne holes. Some things never change. Someone did not use their calculator figuring the tonnage of that tain
He is not slipping, he is backing on purpose. If he was slipping, all of the air brakes would have locked and every wheel on every truck would be locked.
You hear the Steel Wheels on the tracks. If they popped the emergency brakes, there would be sand on the tracks and there isn't. The train was just backing and going forward to shuttle cars.
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I know virtually nothing about trains and even I can tell that is not a slip but a back and switch. He would have applied brakes immediately if he was actually slipping. Stop trying to be a drama queen where none exists.
I agree, he’s not slipping. I also do not believe he was bunching his slack. Typically a 100 car train only has about 50’ of slack, or about one car length. I’d say he’s backing into a siding to pick up his helpers. Most railroads use remotely operated distributed power now, so there probably wasn’t another crew on the helpers. That’s probably why he had to back onto his helpers. Once they cut in the helpers, they had to link the DPU, perform their continuity and air tests before getting under way. Very time consuming delay ahead of an Amtrak.
I like the way you get in front of the camera and let us know what's going on. Seeing a train stop and slowly back up meant nothing until you told us that it was slipping back, that the engineer was struggling, and later that other engines were coming. That's what makes your videos interesting. I also like the fact that you keep it concise and to the point, and not ramble on. Keep up the good work.
Wonder how the engineer/conductor felt when they got back to the station. "The ONE HILL in Florida and you two couldnt make it up! On top of that we had to send help!" Im sure they wont be able to hear the last of that one till someone else does something.
I love the way people get all excited about emergency brakes. The name is probably the most exciting part of it because in reality, you get the same braking force as a full service application (the air simply vents faster which can cause run in and buff forces). The other thing worth noting isn't all that rare - in shunting yards it's often used quite a bit.
Thank you so much for your comment. Some people think it is a joke or I post fake stuff. But when I was there recording I heard from the station masters radio what was going on. I just posted this video as what I heard. Thank you for your support.
Sorry I wasn't aware of that. I am just learning. I have been around trains all my life but there are still somethings I don't know. Thanks for sharing.
LOL This big bellied guy did a whole coach car before rush hour to a train that went from the Jersey Shore to New York City back in 1985. It was a huge work of art. But while the train was in New York they sanded down the whole car before it came back at PM rush hour.
Nice video Millenniumforce! You just pick the perfect time to catch good railroad moments. As the the comments about how close the Amtrak train was to allow the pusher engines to get behind the load. There is a switch about 10 miles near the Fish Hatchery Road and goes under East Memorial Blvd. The extra CSX engines could of came from there.
I know, One had a rag sticking out of a gaping hole... LOL I got there just at the right time. I get a new camera in 2 weeks. HD waterproof can't wait. This camera is starting o get streaks lines in the photo. Time to retire it. But I will keep it for it got me into the movies at the theatre. LOL
A good Video! I hope that the next time you shoot a video like this you can get a shot of the train behind it! :) Anyway, let's hope that Amtrak have learned their lesson and will couple a few more locomotives to their train next time! Btw I have Subscribed!
Same thing happened the other day in the Tampa Yard. The circus train had to back up off the main to let Amtrak 91 Silver star go by then he pulled out.
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Nice video, however if the train was slipping the engineer would have dumped the brakes. The pads would have gone against the wheels and the wheels would stop turning and start sliding on the rails. This would have made a lot of noise. The engineer was tying to "Slack" the train to get it rolling aging. Now a bought the Amtrak train. He could not have been that close to the rear end of our freight train. First off automatic signals would not let the Amtrak fallow that close. Second of all we know this because you said that they brought two extra locomotives in from behind to push. That could not have happened if Amtrak was that close to the rear end of the freight train.
SleeTheSloth what happened was he couldn’t make it up the hill so he backed up to avoid slipping. You did make a point there though
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By a bought the Amtrak, I’m assuming you meant about.
@@beynickiana spelling is unfortunately not my forte.
I was the engineer on that silver star train we were stopped 4 signals back before the station..
Like I said in one of my comments. The amtrak train was stopped at the lock behind this freight train and there was another line that connects with this line between the back of the freight and in front of the Amtrak. Amtrak was about 1/4 to 1/2 mile behind the freight in the next block.
I had a train go by my house with 5 engines and 153 cars. Almost 2 miles long
Thank you. I use my tripod and I have a new HD camera. Also I try to keep away from crowds.
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Wow!
You have truly captured the drama, the excitement, the terror, the nail biting suspense, the life and death struggle that is:
a train spending an hour backing up at one mile per hour.
(Well done, Fellini)
"CSX train slips on a hill..." A hill in FL?
Yes, there are tracks that are going up a grade there. I’m surprised you didn’t know. One video I watched zoomed in on a train long distance in Florida and you could see hills the track was going over in the distance
Love the channel man! I live up in Maine the Amtrak runs about 200 feet from my house. Fun to watch in the winter when that tracks are covered in snow.
Let's see @ 2:12 sounds like brakes squeaking
2:48, train "shrinks" (couplers clunk) engine and front of train resisting forward motion.
doesn't seem right.
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There's no way the entire train was 'slipping.' Worst case, the engineer dumps the air brakes and everything stops.
Yes there was certain times I had to stop the camera and edited out all the wasted time while it was stopped. about an hour of time.
What most likely happened is that one of the engines was having mechanical issues, and lost some of its tractive effort. The railroads (at least the one I work for) have whats known as a train list or a "wheel" report. This shows each engine, how much horsepower per ton (HPT) is needed, and how much HPT they actually have. It also shows where each rail car is in the train, and what each rail car has loaded onto it.
I think your right about an engine having mechanical issues, I just can't imagine them miscalculating the power need this badly...(I lived next to a L&N come CSX line all my young life, just before they had to hit old Greyhampton Hill, one of the biggest hills in central KY before you come into Louisville and they NEVER made this mistake (although I did see them side a burning locomotive once before the crew bailed!).
There are hills in FL?
YES!!!!
I been to Florida yes
***** I live in FL :P
+warmfreeze you must not go outside much then.
Florida Panhandle Railfan Ive been to every state except Alaska.. so yes.. i go outside :)
I don't know. I was just there filming and heard the commotion on the train conductors radio.
If they are slipping and almost hitting Amtrak.....how does the pusher tack on between Amtrak 91 and the coal train? It's not as dramatic as the title says. They are clearly shoving to either clear crossings or get in position for the pusher to tack on. Or both.
Great Job, Keep them coming! You are doing a great job.
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This what happens when the CSX PTB (Powers That Be) failto read tonnage ratings for the power and either cut the tonnage down or put another unit on the train BEFORE it gets into trouble. I've seen this before, we used to call it "pencilling the tonnage", just to deceive the train crews and get them out of the yard. There's an old saying, you can fool the men, but you can't fool the engines.
This kind of crap also gives Amtrak a bad name for delays even though it's not their fault Chances are Amtrak engineer was listening on the radio, and when he saw the rear end of the freight getting too close told the CSX job to dump the air. If they had to add power, Amtrak probably had to back up to clear for the pusher power.
As Amtrak is running on CSX's line, it is not the responsibility of Amtrak to push the CSX, it would be somewhat dangerous to the passengers to be jostled by the surges of the freight train as well.
The fundamental of why US passenger rail suck... Freight and passengers are not ran by the same railway line owns the track...
The Engineer was probilty saying to himself repeatily:
" I know I can make it up this hill".
But once his train started to move backwars his thought changed to:
"Ohh Crap!"
There was a siding between the back end of the freight and the front end of Amtrak.
Empty cars and a slight grade are not going to slow those two loco's, they weren't even on the throttle hard in the video. It looked a whole lot like a switching operation, maybe they just backed on a siding and picked up those 2 in the rear. Slacking and un-slacking a train like that is a coupling procedure.
Kevin Wheaton My thoughts exactly
Kevin Wheaton Yeah this looks like the case, it does look to me like when the train first started moving backwards it was more likely due to them being pushed (by the locos on the front, presumably) rather than because they were rolling back.
I thought they were loaded...
There is a part in central florida where it looks like small mountains
He has to be backing up. No way a train would slip that far. They would just lock it down and it wouldn't move.
They have stopped the whole train but because the wheels have hardly any friction because their metal the whole train just slips downward
But I do agree with you it does seem very off how far it went though
Amtrak was about 1/2 mile behind him in the next block signal and there was another line that connected to the other after the signal. So the extra engines came from the other spur before Amtrak and behind the Freight.
Went past a siding, flipped the switch, reversed onto the siding. Probably dropped or picked up some cars.
Then why were two other locomotives sent to push it up the hill
They sure were. I seen the smoke pouring out as they tried to climb the small incline
Could the Amtrak train have disconnected their engine(s) and pushed the freightrain?
Seems that would waste far less time than bringing locomotives from somewherelse.
Was this train intentionally backing to get another start at the slight grade?
Or was it switching out some cars into a siding?
Does not appear that it was slipping. Brakes were not applied until we heard them being applied.
Yes it sure did.
That train would not roll back and hit Amtrak. Amtrak couldn't be in the same block.
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If the train was rolling backwards down the hill, wouldn't the brakes be on? Since it is a single track, how can they get the helper engines behind it if the Amtrack train is behind it?
Late reply, but its better than nothing.. They could have backed the Amtrak to a siding or something, since it was already horrendously delayed
Push with the Amtrak engine. I was a conductor, I pushed many trains over hills. You use what ever is behind you.
Chris Collins Silver Star usually has 2 engines on train at this locale and 9-11 passenger cars.
There could be other spurs running off this track or even a railroad yard behind him somewhere. Lot's of ways to get engine behind a train.
Engines probably came down from Taft Yard (south of Orlando), about an hour northeast of this spot.
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One of the railroad guys was standing a few feet away and I could hear everything they were talking about.
I think that the conductor only stopped to buy cigarettes but misestimate the stopping point and had to go a little backwards to align the locomotive with the parking meter.
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Did you notice the high tech solution to a hole in hopper car rags stuffed in Tyne holes. Some things never change. Someone did not use their calculator figuring the tonnage of that tain
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He is not slipping, he is backing on purpose. If he was slipping, all of the air brakes would have locked and every wheel on every truck would be locked.
James Feragola haha
That's not true
Stephanie Jimenez what's not true?
James Feragola You can clearly hear the breaks haha, they need new ones lol
You hear the Steel Wheels on the tracks. If they popped the emergency brakes, there would be sand on the tracks and there isn't. The train was just backing and going forward to shuttle cars.
Good Point Of View. thank you for your comment
Isn't ther silver star ALWAYS late?
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There's a hill in Florida!?!
There are some hills in Florida that are 300 feet high in Central Florida
Millenniumforce we have some over 11,000 feet and the train has np.
Millenniumforce 300 ft. you say?
Anon Omous in north walton county in nw florida is the highest point in florida at 325 ft.
Janice Reeser
the official elevation in lakeland is 197 ft
Cool video. The captions and you talking about what was happening made it better. I will watch it again :)
How many crossings were blocked? I think 2: Ingram ave and Massachusetts ave.
Great video. UK railfan. love watching these clips .Nothing like it here. Would love to visit someday. Top of my bucket list.&" and counting! Well done . Please keep them coming.
I know virtually nothing about trains and even I can tell that is not a slip but a back and switch. He would have applied brakes immediately if he was actually slipping. Stop trying to be a drama queen where none exists.
Great Video! Those engines pulling that csx train must have been getting a workout!
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I agree, he’s not slipping. I also do not believe he was bunching his slack. Typically a 100 car train only has about 50’ of slack, or about one car length. I’d say he’s backing into a siding to pick up his helpers. Most railroads use remotely operated distributed power now, so there probably wasn’t another crew on the helpers. That’s probably why he had to back onto his helpers. Once they cut in the helpers, they had to link the DPU, perform their continuity and air tests before getting under way. Very time consuming delay ahead of an Amtrak.
I'd hate to be the guy stuck at a train crossing while this was happening!
Max Silverstone same I'd be pissed
Thank you More to come
This consist isnt "slipping"
Happy new year Alan and keep em coming
Tom.
Does this really need live commentary?
I like the way you get in front of the camera and let us know what's going on. Seeing a train stop and slowly back up meant nothing until you told us that it was slipping back, that the engineer was struggling, and later that other engines were coming. That's what makes your videos interesting. I also like the fact that you keep it concise and to the point, and not ramble on. Keep up the good work.
get that doughnut out of the way
Great catch. Four of us SFL railfans were way west of you. This is K996 for Tampa from Miami.
Lakeland florida doesn't have hills.
Ever been to Lakeland?
It sure does! Think again ;)
Thank you. Yes that train was beaten up! Getting ready to go out and film today. Have a great New Years.
Wonder how the engineer/conductor felt when they got back to the station. "The ONE HILL in Florida and you two couldnt make it up! On top of that we had to send help!" Im sure they wont be able to hear the last of that one till someone else does something.
+Vic Reece Thats funny shit..
Is it very hilly or mountainous there? Here it was a small grade just a hill.
YES! THE TRAIN MADE IT!
I love the way people get all excited about emergency brakes. The name is probably the most exciting part of it because in reality, you get the same braking force as a full service application (the air simply vents faster which can cause run in and buff forces). The other thing worth noting isn't all that rare - in shunting yards it's often used quite a bit.
Note to self CSX of Florida: raise freight train speed limit in these areas to, umm... maybe 45mph
Sam Jacobson no to like 70
Speed limit through here is 60 mph and on the Y, speed limit is 30 mph.
Glad the teain made it off in time for the Amtyrack to pass by.Good Video,Dude!
I don't think Lake Land Florida is known for it's hills... He's backing up and switching.
Its a hill right there from the Bus Terminal to the Amtrak station. You just cant see it but its there
+Steven Gunn I see it when I am there
+Millenniumforce Its pretty steep and you can feel it when walking by it on the sidewalk they have by the terminal
Lakeland has a major hill (for the line). Q604 was once stuck too.
A big freight like this wouldn't be switching in the middle of the single track main.
How do you figure??? Amtrak stopped at the last red signal block and the CSX train started going backwards towards it...
(Insert troublesome trucks song when the train is slipping here)
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I feel sorry for anyone at car crossings waiting for it!!!
It doesn't excuse it, but maybe it does explain why so many people risk their necks to cross a line before the train.
There are a lot more crossings in Lakeland that are close to each other and the station is very long, about 500 to 1000 feet in length.
I'm just so used to calling it that because there is a coal train that passes my home every day going to a power plant
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great catch alan . man that train had some beat up cars . great audio
Awesome video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.
Nice catch!!! A C30-7, a dash 9, another C30-7, then another dash 9, plus all of the other action!!! Ill say it again nice catch
Thank you so much for your comment. Some people think it is a joke or I post fake stuff. But when I was there recording I heard from the station masters radio what was going on. I just posted this video as what I heard. Thank you for your support.
Thank you for your valuable comment
Sorry I wasn't aware of that. I am just learning. I have been around trains all my life but there are still somethings I don't know. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much
LOL This big bellied guy did a whole coach car before rush hour to a train that went from the Jersey Shore to New York City back in 1985. It was a huge work of art. But while the train was in New York they sanded down the whole car before it came back at PM rush hour.
Yes some are over 300 feet near Orlando
wow,in almost everyone of your video you catch some something rare or interesting, keep up the good work, your videos are great!!
Yes it somewhere north of Haines City in Central Florida
Nice video Millenniumforce! You just pick the perfect time to catch good railroad moments. As the the comments about how close the Amtrak train was to allow the pusher engines to get behind the load. There is a switch about 10 miles near the Fish Hatchery Road and goes under East Memorial Blvd. The extra CSX engines could of came from there.
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Great video, things you never think about.
Robert
To much slack!! The Amtrak Station Master Said That Some Of It Was Slipping In The Beginning
I know, One had a rag sticking out of a gaping hole... LOL I got there just at the right time. I get a new camera in 2 weeks. HD waterproof can't wait. This camera is starting o get streaks lines in the photo. Time to retire it. But I will keep it for it got me into the movies at the theatre. LOL
But I followed it to Appolo Beach Florida and the power plant only excepts coal????
Thank you for the wonderful comment
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Interesting. Thanks for the in put.
Thank you
Was that a rag plugging up a hole in the side of that hopper @ 8:19 ?
+RellyOhBoy and another one at 12:33
Thank you.
A good Video! I hope that the next time you shoot a video like this you can get a shot of the train behind it! :) Anyway, let's hope that Amtrak have learned their lesson and will couple a few more locomotives to their train next time! Btw I have Subscribed!
That's what was dispatched on t radio soI am not changing the title of it. Plus look at how many times it went into reverse for no reason.