Lone SD40 FAILS TO CLIMB Steep Grade Twice, Making Freight Train Back Up!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Maybe those 2 cars that sped out in front of the Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad freight train made this SD40 (ELS 503) slow down and fail the first time, the second time they just couldn't get the speed up to climb that steep grade here in northern Wisconsin. They had to disconnect from the train and go ahead sanding the rails before trying again.. Will they make it??
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Wet leaves on the rail. Every engineers nightmare
Wet leaves on the tracks snow on the cars and an atumnal colored 503 struggles to complete it's mission as autos and Jason wait patiently. Life goes on.
Jason, he is going up the hill, light engine, and sanding the rails as he goes. We used to do the same thing when I worked for CSX. He will back down on his cut again, and give it another try. We would do this quite often when we had contaminated rail....
We had our biggest problems in the fall. Rain and wet leaves on the rails makes for a very slippery situation. Plus that's a lot of cars for just one loco on a day like that. Bad dispatching! Great video.
Wet leaves and rail can make even the smallest of grades difficult
Cutter & Ms C
Autumn time, smear from the leaves on the rails without sands there is nothing. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven
This is most likely the train couldn't make it up the hill because if the falling leaves off the trees. When the wheels go over the leaves it squashes them resulting making the rail more slippery. There probably getting a ton of wheel slip on the locomotives. Ohhh I do know what I'm talking about , I have worked for CSX for over 22 years and autumn 🍂 leaves are a issue in some parts of the country
Leaves are a bitch
That makes a lot of sense.
My guess is they are sanding the grade, going slow gets more sand pr length. Then going back to get the cars. I am an engineer myself i have stalled on a grade but was able to slide back a few carlengths while sanding and get started again.
Thanks for leaving a comment Leah
Looks like an old Milwaukee Road engine. Or maybe a Great Northern / BN..
"I Think I Can, I Think I Can, I Think I Can!"
Don't just stand there. Give the guy a hand and PUSH! 😋
As an engineer, what I would've done, is shoved as far down the hill as I could, left the conductor with the train, and sanded the hill up and back with the lite locomotive. The branchline that I work had several 2 and 3% grades. We have to do that at least twice a week.
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Tks J Please show again i ckd Google ur videos its not on it I'm sure it will be Soon!
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This time of year the leaves and wet rail creates a grease that causes wheelslip like crazy...
That was really interesting. Not enough speed the first two times. But he had it going good on the third try. Have never seen that scenario before. Thanks for hanging around to make sure he made it up and over the grade.
I don’t blame those cars. After seeing how slow it was going. I woulda went too.
Wonderful catch, Jason! I am glad that you stuck around to see they finally make it up the grade.
hi tks irish fan
SD40's are about the toughest units ever built. If one is unable to haul the tonnage like what's seen here you know it's loaded to the gills.
That was cool! I have seen trains stall on grades a few times but never twice that I can remember. That makes short line interesting. I love that line
Leafs on the track.
EPIC !! Rails must have been extra greasy with the damp. Great engineer skill wins the day 👍👍👍👍👍
The little Engine that couldn't 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
In a certain railroad yard in Northern Wisconsin there stood an extremely heavy train that had to be drawn up an unusually heavy grade before it could reach its destination. The superintendent of the yard was not sure what it was best for him to do, so he went up to a large, strong engine and asked: "Can you pull that train over the hill?"
"It is a very heavy train," responded the engine.
He then went to another great engine and asked: "Can you pull that train over the hill?"
"It is a very heavy grade," it replied.
The superintendent was much puzzled, but he turned to still another engine that was spick and span new, and he asked it: "Can you pull that train over the hill?"
"I think I can," responded the engine.
So the order was circulated, and the engine was started back so that it might be coupled with the train, and as it went along the rails it kept repeating to itself: "I think I can. I think I can. I think I can."
The coupling was made and the engine began its journey, and all along the level, as it rolled toward the ascent, it kept repeating to itself: "I ---think ---I can. I ---think ---I--- can. I ---think--- I ---can."
Then it reached the grade, but its voice could still be heard: "I think I can. I----- think-----I-----can. I -----think----- I----- can." Higher and higher it climbed, and its voice grew fainter and its words came slower: "I -------think --------I-------can."
It was almost to the top.
“I ---------think"
It was at the top.
"I ---------can’t… I cannot. I’m leaving, too many friggin’ leaves."
Altered version of _Story of the Engine that Thought It Could._ This is an early version of the story that became known as _The Little Engine That Could,_ published 8 April 1906 in the New York Tribune
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Engine_That_Could
That's happened to me before. Had to physically put sand on rails to help. Great video
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Brilliant commentary !! Sometimes silence is golden.
Like 38 beautiful video, greetings 🚂👍🚂🔝📽️🙋♂️
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If he stalled On the hill it is because he didn't have enough momentum or he had A tremendous amount of wheel slip which is possible because of the residue from the leaves hitting the rail. Rails are very slippery in the autumn when you have condensation and wet leaves on the rail. He will have to backup and get a running start. Having full Sanders that work is imperative in the autumn.
Great Video!!! Put me in mind of “The Little Train that Could”, The rhythmic sound of the steam locomotive becoming, “I think I can, I think I can!” Eventually , that diesel locomotive knew it did!!
Wet rails, and out of sand? Bring in a pusher! Somebody didn't figure the tonage right! Seen this happen a few times here in Plymouth, Michigan a few times ,in the past going West to Lansing!
First one was a rail train, & several coal trains that used to run to Holand.
One time a mixed freight with 2 Chessie B&O GP40's, stalled coming out of Detroit, and had to have a 3rd
Cool video Jason!
hi I used to watch Casey Jones when a kid gee All Aboard!! oh gt comments d Real thing watching from Ireland this video brought me hope in Humanity! Brian
I love seeing an EMD maxxed out!!
Poor old 503. I feel bad for them.
It was apparent he was slipping even before he reached the crossing. It sounded like he had the handle at the highest notch the first two times (but not the last). So he dropped his load, came back to the summit and dropped his sand rolling backwards so it would be in place for his third and final attempt. Seems it worked.
Priceless video captured. This gets an A! Boy, you lucked out. Even my wife loved it hearing me laughing.
Great video!
That was quite nail-biting. A long train for one engine. I was chasing a train up Sir Lowry's pass and the train stopped due to traction. Was a wet Black Southeastern wind blowing. The sand towers in Belleville were empty. The driver got out and had to put ballast on the track!!! It worked.
They were just doing some run bys for you
This happens a lot this time of year. Deer hunters cover the tracks with deer fat.
Now That's a first for me as well but then I was never near a steep grade when I lived near the tracks before
There is an old steam locomotive that runs up a canyon near my home pulling passenger cars with sightseers. When I was young we put axle grease on the tracks. Lots of spinning and steam.
Been there done it! Nothing new...Leaves on the tracks greases up the rail. You can back down and sand the rail while backing down,then retry again. 2nd choice is cut the train in half and take the first half to a siding and then go back and get the second half. Why they were going slow back n forth,they were sanding the rail. I did 37 years of doing this.
Wet leaves really makes for a nasty time climbing any hill. I had my first accident in Michigan on wet leaves only going 15 MPH, Thanks for another great video.
Wet rail and fall leaves is your culprit. I've been running locomotives for 27 yrs and have been bitten by this scenario many times. Fall is beautiful time of year but absolutely sucks for those of us running trains. Great vid by the way.
Happens on the rails here in the Adirondacks. Wet cold tracks, wet leaves and steep grades don't add up to anything good.
That is quite common in the fall. Falling leaves on top of the rail combined with rain or wet rails makes the top of the rail very slippery thus causing loss of traction . It makes a goooey mess.
Wow. Railroading is not all fun and games. Great catch Jason
Fall leaves season stinks for trains. Decaying leaves is very slippery on the track. NYC area commuter agencies spray the rails to help their trains stop safely and make schedule. When commuting I've seen a train trying to stop slide right past a station stop and have to back up.
One of three things happened... Either his solo run was to prep the rail surface of fresh rust with some sand, they dropped a couples of cars, or, if any retaining valves were set, they may have kicked them all off to reduce drag on this particular run.
Ok, maybe a 4th option, they exceeded track speed somewhere at the bottom for another 5-10 mph additional speed to carry the hill.
Awesome video Jason that was great I think I can I think I can
When i worked for BN on the local frum Great Falls to Laurel we took 3 runs at a long grade bfore 2 extra units showed up to help pull us
Good clip Jason. Thanks
Great video, experienced Enginer.
Wet, leaves, not enough sand. We ran out of sand one day with damp rails and falling leaves sticking to them.
That was really cool. First it was crazy with the 2 cars that’s pulled out in front of him, even though he was going slow that was dumb. The both of them. But it was cool to see the train have to back up twice. I was thinking the engineer is probably like…. Why does there have to be a guy there filming this? Lol.
But he figured it out, whatever they did when they went up with just the engine. So good on them for getting that train through, and look at all that lumber it was hauling up that hill, makes sense it was getting stuck.
I would do the same i first stop look if train goin fast i would stay still seeing going slow stop and go
Wet rails and a heavy train usually don't work well together. Good video.
Being in the UK I am amazed at the 'have a go' approach adopted by the driver. Over here they would have to call a meeting, get some additional staff to make an assessment of the situation, then do a health and safety check to ensure there is no risk to the staff or public, and then when it was all over carry out an investigation in to what happened!!!! There's probably a few steps I've missed in that, maybe involve the Police and Fire brigade in case of potential disaster!!!!!
Not to turn it political or anything but that's difference between more of a socialist based economy and society and this free range free-for-all we have in America.
Often times things need to be tackled with a group mentality but then oftentimes the group is not with us and it's a goet alone thing. I admire his thoughtfulness and creative thinking
@@adventurekid9242 The UK whilst currently undergoing somewhat of a Political upheaval, we are on our third Prime minister in four months, has currently a centre right Government (Conservative party). Our latest is Rishi Sunak the first British Asian to be elected into the role just today when the King offered him the job, so in that sense we are certainly a very diverse country.
The main opposition party is the Labour Party and they certainly do believe in socialist left wing policies, and regrettably given the current state of the Country there is a very high likelihood of them winning the next General election. Their leader - Sir Kier Starmer described himself and his party as centre left, however behind him is his deputy leader - Angela Raynor, and she is very far too the left, some would say almost Communist! The problem is, she will probably end up ousting Starmer and her and her 'Trotski' nutter friends could take over! No surprise I am centre right i.e a Conservative voter.
Beyond the Political lesson, in answer to the point, the UK and Europe have always been a heavily governed society, with legislation and rules to cover every aspect of life, but society is used to it and generally don't complain as it's just the way things are. So when it comes to 'British Rail' as it's called overall, it's no surprise that health and safety take a front seat, and any mishap such as in this video, will require an extensive procedure to be followed to avoid any risk to the public or staff. As another example, in the UK 99.9% of all rail lines are securely fenced to prevent the public even getting near the track!
@@adventurekid9242 kind of like baseball
Wet leaves on the track creates problems this time of year.
Try putting loads next to engine mty cars on rear
Love the fall colors! Strange. They’ve made that grade hundreds of times before.
This would be a Hobo's dream.
He's sanding the track to give more traction
After the train crossed the road I heard the engine throttle back twice. Most probably as a result of excessive wheel slip. Throttled back there was no way to make the grade. Without seeing the end of the clip I would guess that they are sanding the rails on the way back. Each time they tried the grade they would have more momentum and get further. Depending on the distance to the top they would get there after a few attempts. Which could still be faster than going back to divide the train.
He had that former bnsf reverse pretty quick though!
I've seen videos where this happens. The majority of the time, more power is needed and wasn't figured correctly. On flat land you can use less power. But., any change in elevation no matter how much or how long, more power is needed. Like this. Many times you'll see trains with what looks like too much power. But with hills demanding more power, it's added in the beginning. Sometimes "helper engines" are added and then removed when not needed.
The weight of the train and what elevation is going to be traveling helps in determining power. Weather can also make a difference.
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YAY!!! ELS 503 is climbing up the grade for the first time!
37 cars on the train. I could not believe they got the train over the hump that was crazy only one locomotive pulling that with 37 cars. Thanks, Jason
37 empty cars. 😀
Is a sd-40, not very powerfull
Was not totally empty, didn't you see the cars with the logs on them, what about the box cars and hopper cars, you can't see inside so how do you know if they are empty or not?
I've never seen that either. I wonder if the wet rails were a contributing factor in not making the hill. How far away was the top of the grade? Kinda looks like he did what you said. he sanded the rails in reverse which gave him enough traction to build speed and make the grade.
hi thanks for ur education n words (im learning) on dat train i don't live n America but i felt for d engineer a truly gt feat n Jason on video
At 1:04/05 you can hear the engineer cut back on the power. Must have been getting some wheel slip but taking a run at it solved the problem.
Puts me in the mind of the old story about Thomas the train.
Guess this was the real life Gordon's Hill, huh?
These drivers would rather die than watch a cool train pass by
I think I can I think I can 😅
Wow I guess I never thought about trains not making it up hills.
Cool video .
Man, they should know there routes by now, thats silly, BUT good video any how, I enjoy trains so watching something unusual is ok,,,, glad you didnt get the snow, heard it was a bad one
Those two cars weren't the reason it didn't make the grade. It looks like he wasn't going fast enough in the first place.
This happens on my n scale train layout all the time. You get used to it. 😂
@@rc391995 yep, full throttle. 😂
Since I didn't see any bottles of corn oil by the tracks we can rule out kids messing around. Maybe it's a hex from the broken utility pole. Just be glad this train didn't have the cars of ore residue. Poor Freddy probably got nauseous with all that back and forth
Hope Kids are Not reading this and get the idea toDump oil (any kind!) on tracks‼️
I live next to a track and im totally gonna dump oil on it tomorrow seems fun
What is anyone even talking about? On major Railways they literally use “curve oilers” to put grease on the rails. This cuts down on the squealing flanges, and does nothing to cause a train to loose traction. Trains also have sanders to improve traction.
@@rc391995 no that you say that it seems even more fun i will go back tommorrow i went there 2 times last week to pour old diesel oil
i still watch from time to time keep up the great work
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Third time's the Charm.
No protection of the rear...thank hell for 2 man crews? I can't believe how they just shoved back
There are legal procedures to blind shove and I’d guess he’s absolutely in the right. Damn leaves and rain destroy tractive effort
This is similar to me at my work site. We shove up a 3.5% grade with old GP38 and a GP39. Usually loaded cars like ethanol/sweet bran/corn syrup. We tried to shove yesterday with 45 cars on us and failed twice just like they did here. Our sanders are disabled because the owners of the locos doesn't want to pay for sand. We eventually gave up and spilt the train to make it up. even with only 24 ethanol tanks it still was close
A couple hundred pounds of sand can't be more expensive than fuel and labor to double the hill? Penny wise, pound foolish.
@@daniellewis1789 Welcome to reality. The company who owns the locomotives didn't even want to replace a piece of snapped rail, they wanted us to roll over it until something derailed, berceuse apparently that was "saving money"
Another case of more dollars than sense...
Autumn Leaves a train Engineers best friend. Acts like oil on the tracks.
Our local commuter rail ( the i famously notorious Long Island Railroad, aka “wrong island railroad”) calls it the “slip and slide” season requiring special track treatment.
I have heard of this as well, wet leaves on the rails can be extremely slippery.
Speed up is what they do
Loaded cars at the rear and empties up front probably wasn’t doing em any favours either!
Wouldn’t make a difference where the weight was.
Looks like an SD40-2..either way should had another locomotive on that train with it.
It's a common problem. They underpower trains for the terrain. The ones I have seen have stopped and called for a push assistance. They usually break up the train and pull to the nearest sidings to clear crossings
And I was expecting the title to be, "The Little Train that Could!" or "The 3rd Time is a Charm!" 😁😁😁😁
three times a charm lol
That is a jewel of a R/R video, a great catch
The railroads are putting longer and longer trains together in order to save money. However, sometimes they should have put on another engine
This is an ancient locomotive by today's standards. Some are even in museums. A modern AC locomotive would have had no problem.
Glad they made it. At that crossing every time they pass is an opportunity for some inattentive driver to collide with the train.
A extra locomotive sure would've helped.!!
surprised it struggled so much with such a flat grade
That was pretty cool.. nice catch
Great job Jason! If you ask me it was a combination of everything everyone mentioned. And with the cost of fuel today I feel the engineer/contractor made the right decision. Thanks for another riveting video!
WINTER IS COMING!!!
Of course that’s conductor, not contractor.
Sometimes spellcheck sucks.
I enjoy the video👍👍
He had to back up sanding the rails. Nice video. I enjoyed
Awesome video Jason!👍👍👍
Slippery rail, or low railhead adhesion, is a condition of railroads where contamination of the railhead reduces the traction between the wheel and the rail. Wet conditions can lead to wheel slip when the train is taking power and wheel slide when the train is braking. What's happening? The train's weight exceeds the coefficient of friction between the wheels and the rail. That's why they dropped sand, as the sand increases the friction between the rails and the wheels. I have seen this happen several times, primarily in cold and wet conditions. The addition of another locomotive would be the optimal solution. More traction power on the front or back of the train with another engine would increase the coefficient of friction, overcoming the slippage.
Most of the time there 2 engines one had extra back up power for the first one. I'm a daughter of railroad disel engineer and granddaughter of railroad steam engineer.
Crazy drivers
Excellent video, thanks
What the train crew did in this situation was the most cost efficient for the on going situation. To have bring out another locomotive would cut into profits and would be more expensive. One would have to eat the cost of additional fuel, additional wages and lost of time involved. If one doesn't know how to save money when operating a business, the business will definitely fail. In addition, by the time another locomotive would have arrived to assist, this crew was up and gone, even though they had some difficulty along the way.
Could have empty forward sand boxes, or malfunctioning forward sand valves. Dropping cars and driving up light engine allows sanding in reverse.
Great video - and yes we don’t see this often - thank you 🙏
Might have two traction motors cut out. Sd40 usually about 3200HP… good locomotives.
In a flat yard.
They are still used on the continental divide as pushers, but definitely not in the league of a modern AC unit:.
Would have to see the governor rack. Hard to say from here. I don’t think it was loading full.