@@davidnainggolan6763well lore wise she did live on up before the events of dark souls 3. killing her was a option that is unknown to canon if we ended her or not. seeing how we see (and me guessing) her child in dark souls 3
Per Reddit he is V.VII. In the mission where you are supposed to eliminate him, when he asks you to stop attacking him, you can and he will stop attacking you. Just like in Elden Ring. He also has a shield like in Elden Ring.
@@KajiinSkyrim they are but the video is wrong. The old iron kind does posess gwyn's soul (or part of it) but that wasn't until the smelter demon swung him into the lava. When the iron king fell into the lava it came into contact with gwyn's soul and that's what transformed him into the weird bull thing we fight in the game. So the choosen undead was the first successor of gwyn but the old iron king is the one with gwyn's soul (if you kill him on new game + you can get it)
In DS1 theres nothing in-game that says Priscilla is treated poorly; its just as likely she likes being in the painting. In DS3 shes dead but we dont know how.
@@nayyarrashid4661it's a different painted world but was made with scraps of a previous painted world in a long lineage going along the way back to the one in DS1 (hence why we find parts of the DS1 painted world in the DS3 one.) We don't see her dead body but she clearly isn't around anymore. Either she does from the chosen undead or is killed when the first painting is rotted and burned away for the next one.
The concept of infinity is a scary one. A man with enough determination to hunt you a infinite amount of times is a man with a garinteeded victory. A infinite anything is a garintee that everything will happen even if that's a naked man beating god to death
Gael, who also didn't just live to the end of the world, but basically caused it by massacring every single powerful being. When we fight him there is only two other living NPCs in the canon world.
@@suemeade2471there could be more back in Anor Londo and the main map but since we only visit the area Gael is in at the end of time we can assume there were 4 people left(the player the 2 npcs and Gael)
Thinking about it, Life Hunt sounds like a precursor to Destined Death, a power so feared that it was locked away by Maliketh so it couldnt be used by anyone again.
@@YourOneStopShop I personally don’t like this theory and think that on a meta level it’s the other way around. Elden Ring draws inspiration from all the unique and interesting ideas from the other games that Fromsoft weren’t able to explore.
@@bolson42right but the frenzied flame ending and the fight amongst cragtrees in a ashen lake with the Elden Beast (which looks like a starry dark souls ancient dragon, even having multiple sets of wings) is wayyyyy more than just a little tid bit. Especially since said spectral dragon rode a golden star to the lands between from an outer plane of existence home to an outer god (elden stars spell description) sent as a vassal for the “greater will”. Idk about you guys but Shrabriri comes off as a chosen undead almost. Reminds me a lot of the unhinged characters that are borderline insane and insist we link the first flame in ds1/3. Could chalk it up to just references, but remember, the frenzied flame is the original power of the lands between and everything came from it- sounding an awful lot like the first flame and even the chaos flame.
Miyazaki’s games all have very similar moulds with different filling . World cycle, badass old man in the end, dragon, a nobody rising to become someone.
@@MrHydra12 Just references and similar themes/design choices, George RR Martin came up with most of the background for Elden Ring, there's no point in collaborating with him if you're trying to create a sequel (or a crossover) to a trilogy he's not familiar with.
i think the fact that the SoC is the embodiment of literal hundreds of thousands of years worth of the strongest warriors of their time linking the fire makes him the strongest. he is the stacked embodiment of the strength of warriors who slayed everybody on this list plus thousands more
Smelter demon to my knowledge although killed the iron king and then his body falling into lava is were the iron king found Gwyns soul sooooo (Sorry if I sound like 🤓)
The burnt ivory king has to be the strongest. He's been fighting the chaos for so long only to succumb to it and it takes a whole army to seal the chaos back.
He's a pretty nice boss, and the concept is pretty good I guess, but you are over scaling him way too high just based on your own liking of the character.
I always felt like Nameless King could have been an absolute menace, inheriting his fathers power and befriending the dragons, he was really something else.
Gael at the point we find him at the end of the world is like a combination of Doom Guy and the Punisher just travelling the world for hundreds maybe thousands of years trying to find the dark soul and have probably seen and survive it all he was the ultimate challenge for the beginning of a new world
No, Gael was no champion it's literally stated in the lore, the only reason he managed to pose a challenge to the player is because he managed to lay his hands on the Dark Soul.
It's Patches. Assuming Patches isn't some namesake past on by bald Australian guys, he has lived through the rise and fall of countless kingdoms, cured hollowing, travelled across fucking dimensions and universes, and survived to see the end of the world. Man's just built different, unbreakable one might say.
Just for that I think Patches is even stronger than "player" itself. Bro always find a way to a way to transverse into different title. Patches and moonlight greatsword stomps all.
They are weakened so we can actually fight them without breaking the lore of the games. If a single undead could beat up prime gwyn with the entire light soul w he would be considered a joke afterwards.
You have to remember, lore wise we absorb the souls and gain the power of the people we kill. Only after gaining the souls of the enemies we kill are we able to kill these people. The only bosses I can think of in the souls series that have directly lost power are Gwyn, Artorias, Ivory King, Old Demon King, and Iudex Gundyr, with maybe a couple others I can't think of. Nobody else has lost power in any way, and most of the bosses we fight have gained power when we fight them, by absorbing certain souls or other means of gaining power. While I get that it's cool to imagine a stronger version of every boss, you have to realize that most of the bosses are in their prime when we fight them. The reality of the games is that our character is just strong enough to kill most of the enemies he fights when he fights them, with a few exceptions.
I retract my previous comment (if you find it) Aldia is technically the strongest boss since we literally cannot fucking kill him and instead only kill a vessel. I mean he is just living fire and sticks, he also has like 6 seperate bodies we see and presumably teleportation with next to no limits on the distance. And dont forget that he does ALOT of damage and was only testing us to see if we had the strength to beat his toughest body.
Soul of Cinder. Literally all Lords of Cinder and chosen undeads combined. Or Gale. Having the full dark soul with the exception of the last piece that you have is crazy.
Seath the Scaleless, while he may not be super powerful lorewise outside of his immortality, he is definitely one of the most influental characters in the entire series.
“Dear lady Pricilla, might I start by stating how beautiful your later spell is? However, it’s come to our attention that this spell is… rather destructive. Now of course I do not wish to order you, however I must ask that you please relocate to some other plain of existence. Kind regards, -The King”
So, whilst most people believe that the only true wielders of Sunlight are in fact Gwyn and his Son, there are actually 2 more. The first one is pretty obvious, Gwynevere. Whilst she was not ever shown, let alone shown casting a single offensive spell of Sunlight, she does have some spells she created. One of them being Bountiful Sunlight, a healing spell that uses Sunlight to heal. The second however, is a bit debateable. You see the Soul of Cinder is an amalgamation of every single Lord of Fire, the ones who have linked the flame. And at the final phase of that bossfight, as Lord Gwyn's heartwrenching theme plays, the Soul of Cinder recalls who it once was. As it raises it's hand to cast, Sunlight beckons it's call, and heeds it's wishes to defend the flame, one final time.
Even though manus is underappreciated lore wise he is the reason for the dark to exist, he is and was ultimately the reason for the fall of every kingdom in the darksouls universe. His power was to literally corrupt the minds of anyone who came in contact with the dark, and had a bounding curse on humas upon death. His power was so great it even made gwynn literally use his godly powers in the kiln of the first flame to keep it lit to combat the coming age of darkness. Gwynns only hope was a new lord powerful enough to combat the dark but it never worked and every kingdom eventually fell directly from the evils of the dark. To put it in layman's terms manus was sauron 2.0 with no direct weaknesses.
Yeah, only one correction: darkness wasn't "evil." Letting the flame die out was the natural course of action, not doing so twisted space and time, spreading chaos as we saw in DS3
@@jamtime4978But the flame would have faded without Manus anyway, he probably just sped up the process. The Dark would have manifested in some other way if he wasn't disturbed.
@@balazsbuki2345The dark and the abyss aren't the same thing though. Think of the abyss to humanity what chaos flame is to the soul. The abyss directly tied to Manus humanity and specifically its corruption. The abyss is a twisted amalgamation of his desires, wants and needs spreading from his corrupted humanity. The dark on the other hand isn't always tied to an abyss because it's a natural force in the Dark souls universe. It'll exist so long as nobody links the flame and it always has the potential to exist. One's a natural state of the universe the other only exists because it was manifested to exist.
@@kamprouristheoharis8458 Nah, at first they were but Pontiff imprisoned Aldrich in the Cathedral of the Deep eventually because even he realized Aldrich was too much. Aldrich was powerful though so he was allowed to keep eating people and eventually become a Lord of Cinder.
Ashen one is canonically the strongest character, strongest boss is either Gael with the Dark Soul or Lord of Cinders with the souls of every champion.
The ashen one also has the bonus of not being affected by hollowing in any serious way due to being ash, to the point to where he can completely remove the dark sigil from his body, meaning that he cannot eventually go hollow and lose his mind like the other characters in the series.
It's the soul of cinder because that's the combination of all of the people who ever linked the first flame, basically the most powerful and/or stubborn people of their time.
The magic blue one probably since the dlc is based in the past, the video also got something wrong, the old iron king came into contact with gwyn's soul after he was thrown into the lava, so the smelter demon only killed some feeble human dude .
@@The-Crusty-Man so the magic blue killed the king, but he was not powered by the soul of gwyn at that moment. Since the magic blue hits like a truck is understandable xD
the guy in the video doesn't explain it correctly. The Old Iron King was not "Gwyn's successor". He was just a king in the Drangleic kingdom. Anyways, he created the Iron Keep and a large army. He had a loyal follower named Eygil who helped him implement magic to make his army stronger. Together they created the Smelter Demon, which was a powerful golem creature. However, the Smelter Demon turned evil and submerged the Iron Keep in a pool of lava and iron. The Smelter Demon then killed the Old Iron King with a swing of its sword. The Old Iron King's body then fell under the Iron Keep in the pool of lava. However, a portion of Gwyn's soul happened to be located right there, and the piece of Gwyn's soul possessed the Old Iron King's body, turning him into the monster we have to fight in the game. That's pretty much how the lore goes with him.
@@ohdangitsbbqOr it could be that the smelter demon was created as a scapegoat to blame for the fall of the Iron Keep, and that the castle actually sunk into the magma due to its immense weight. Probably because the Iron King would be ashamed admit that his castle fell due to his hubris, making a whole castle out of iron lol.
@@seldomsweet funny idea but no that’s definitely not what happened. After using the Brume Tower (which we get to go to in the DLC) to create iron, the Old Iron King got so powerful he could mold iron/lava with his own hands. He created golems and ironclads. Lava was not a problem for him or the Iron Keep UNTIL the Smelter Demon came in the picture and fucked it up. The Old Iron King could literally lift up and move the Iron Keep if he had to. It was because the Smelter Demon killed and plunged the Old Iron King’s body into the lava that caused the Iron Keep to get overflown with lava.
It's either Gale acter consuming the Dark Soul(A power that Gwynn feared so much that he cursed humans so they never become too stronger), SoC who is the amalgamation of dozens of the strongest beings of each era, or possibly Manus Father of the Abyss, if we take the theory he is the furtive pigmin and thus one of the 4 great lords as canon. All of these are debatable because power scalling in Dark Souls is never something simple
@@genghischron4084 That's debatable. It is definitely possible but we don't have concrete proof to say either way. In the end it is fitting that we don't know who the Furtive Pigmy really is because as the game says, he was forgotten.
@@thepublicpotato3887 He split the dark soul, not himself, Gwyn did the same, splitting part of his Light Soul. Where did you get that he split himself?
@@maracabo1176 because every human including the chosen undead are considered his descendants as stated by kaathe. Since the Pygmy never had a wife to begin with this is the only reasoning behind this statement. Also it’s unlikely gwyn would’ve allowed humans to spread to far seeing that he feared the dark. Another thing is that even though gwyn split his soul it never took a form
Priscilla isn’t the strongest. She had an ability that the gods were scared of, but that doesn’t mean Priscilla > Gwyn. The gods were scared of Occult weaponry as well. That doesn’t mean a hollow with an occult club would kill Gwyn. His ass would definitely still get locked up though. Gwyn was a pretty paranoid guy.
I think people aren’t realizing that he says the old iron king is gywns successor in both his story and his might somewhat, so thats why he receives gywn’s soul. Whether he receives it after he gets one-tapped by smelt man is not the point, since he was likely stronger before he turned into the demon thing.
"you see this big fuckoff troll and you worry for me, no, you clearly dont know who i am, so let me clue you in. i am not in danger fire maiden, i AM the danger." *dark spirit Giant Dad has invaded* *chuckles* "im in danger."
Iron King was NOT Gwyn's successor. He's not blood-related to him in any way, and had absolutely zero to do with him until he fell into the lava and his corpse reached Gwyn's soul. Smelter Demon got him with that surprise tactic (as soon as he came to life, he swinged his sword at Iron King), and certainly they were standing near lava. Nor Iron King nor Smelter Demon are all that powerful.
It's never really specified whether or not he had found gwyn's soul before or after falling into the lava, but I believe the most common theory is that he had some sway over that soul's power without knowing it.
@@Caleb-zs8is I think Shalquoir confirms that Gwyn's soul was in fact in the lava, she talks about Gwyn and then says: "Now he's Ichorous Earth if im not mistaken" and a description reads that when he fell into the lava, Iron King found Ichorous Earth. Im relatively sure I'm remembering this right but I can't check right now so I'm not 100% sure.
The old Iron King was still powerful. All of Gwyn's power came from the Spirit of Light he found within the First Flame. If the old Iron King had this soul, he must have become at least as powerful as Gwyn, but I don't think he had any willpower as he turned into a monster after finding the soul.
@@ikigai1799 My guess is that it went like this: Iron King created Ichorous Earth, the "dragon made of iron" a description talks about, and left it there planning to do something with it. Meanwhile, or likely a lot of time after, Vendrick scooped out his own soul and left it in Amana, and supposedly all 4 lord souls he owned just flew away. Gwyn's soul went and powered Ichorous Earth. Meanwhile again, Iron King got murdered my the Smelter Demon and fell into the lava, Ichorous Earth just got a hold of his soul and therefore upon death he drops Iron King's in ng and Gwyn's in ng+. In Japanese, the (shit ass) boss: "Old Iron King" used to be just called Ichorous Earth, the translators messed it up good.
@@grassblock7668 Yes, it is known that the Old Iron King tried to make an iron dragon, maybe you are right. I don't know if Vendrick's Lord Spirits returned to earth when he separated his soul from his body, but there must definitely be a connection. Either way, although the Old Iron King possessed Gwyn's soul, he lacked the will and consciousness to wield it.
@@Nemo.404it's still Slave Knight Gael, lore wise as well. Gael survives to the end of all civilization, and is able to finally consume the Dark Soul, the one power that Gwyn was so terrified of he had to lock it up at the edge of the world, protected by undead armies and a deadly abyss eating dragon. Gael has been able to not only survive all this time, but also weather the legions that guarded the pygmies. By the fact that he is a Slave Knight, it also indicates that he's had centuries, maybe millennia to hone his skills, and he is the last one of his kind standing, outlasting all but a few people in the universe.
@@maddox7548 He loses to the Ashen one though. Also most dragons and giants are probably stronger than Gael. Gael maybe the strongest humanoid but there beings in that universe that are more powerful
You know I've ashtrays and that the Soul of Cinder was the most powerful canonical boss since it's an amalgamation of all the previous lords. But full power Gael is probably so much more powerful than anything else
@@thomasrobinson24 look I get whete some people come from with this, but remember Gwyn feard the abyss for a reason and Gael is the second being ever to be the host of the dark soul after Manus (who imo is stronger than Gwyn).
@@user-dq8gs8ms8b Gwyn fears Age of Dark, not the Abyss or Dark Soul, that’s the reason he established from the very beginning when he was still the mightiest entity to stop the growth of mankind. And Manus is a part of Pygmy’s bloodline, so ofc he has a part of DS, but tbh I think Gael is still stronger than Manus since he drank all blood of Pygmy kings
@@user-dq8gs8ms8b Abyss comes together with Dark Age, the closer the Dark age comes, the stronger abyss will be. That’s basically explained why dark soul from the beginning was just a little soul
If on top of that you realize that Gwendolyn is the son of Gwyn and Priscilla, you realize just how powerful he's MEANT to be. He has: Gwyn blood, Dragon blood, Occult blood, The power of sorcery and miracles, The power to cast a NATION WIDE illusion, Incredibly loyal and incredibly powerful servants known to deal with the most wretched and foul invaders.
Where in the world does it says that Gwyndolin is son to Gwyn and Priscilla?????? First of all that's incest, Priscilla is Gwyn's granddaughter. There are numerous hints and evidence that Priscilla is product of Seth and Gwynevere.
Through Japanese translation its clear that Seathe was lawfully wedded to Gwynevere, while priscilla is stated to be a bastard child , therefore her mother isn't gwynevere. Now , there is no way to know who her actual mother is, but because the dagger made from her tail has occult affinity, it's likely either Velka or one of Seathe's experiments. Gwendolyn has snakes(stated to be imperfect dragons) growing as part of his body, and he has high affinity with sorcery. Now , unless you want to theorize that Gwyn fucked Seathe , it's a lot more likely that he tried to have a child with Priscilla in order to guarantee himself control over an individual with the powerful properties of Lifehunt, which seems to not have worked, hence why he cast Gwendolyn into the shadows of Anor londo, keeping him secret, as he was disappointed in him.
Smelter demon was the bane of my existence as a new souls player. Not having good adaptability, making a tank build with no hood fire defense meant that he just burned through all my attempts until I brute forced by killing everything in the iron keep permanently so I could just go straight to the boss.
The Iron King was a mere human when killed by the Smelter Demon, he then felled into a pool of lava and got possessed by what lurked below (demons maybe?) and there he also achieved Gwyn's soul. Aftet the transformation, he's most likely a mere body, possessed by fire and evil beings.
And also bosses like vendrick who we only fight a very weak version of him that can barely move his sword and still hit hard, imagine fighting his prime self, or also velstadt and fume knight who sure as hell are strong
Lore-only? It's Gael. Gael had every bit of the Dark Soul in him with the exception of our own share, and the Dark Soul was at its strongest being so close to the Age of Dark. That puts him ahead of prime Gwyn, prime Vendrick, the Giant Lord, the Bed of Chaos, the Furtive Pygmy, even the Soul of Cinder.
Priscilla is interesting in that she is possibly one of few deific characters in DS Lore that possibly lived through to see whatever era's came after DS3. Lore suggests that Aldritch had a dream about her, and he has a Lifehunt ability as well, but given that Priscilla's motifes are not present in Aldritch's mass, could also mean he simply has an imitation of lifehunt, while Priscilla is still out there somewhere, watching the end of the world, with nothing left to hunt her.
They didnt fear her because "She could nuke the world!" They feared Lifehunt because it could hurt gods nearly permamently and the gods did not like that an unholy half dragon abomination held the power to hurt them so they thre her in the painting. Also lorewise the strongest should be Gael or Manus but I learn more toward Gael as he is the last being in the world who had hunted down every single pieces of the darksoul and won entire wars by his lonesome. A warrior who faught until the end of the world.
Yhorm is a giant of the lineage of Wolnir and that is why he is the strongest giant of his time. In Wolnir's prosperous age, almost no one was stronger than him, any place Wolnir invaded could not defeat him.. Yhorm same size as his forearm and already one of the strongest ever alive, image how strong and big he was makes me goose bump
If i remember correctly, the reason why the nameless king has more define lightning/sunlight power, is because dragons are the true origin of this power. And gwyn has been reincarnated and burn for thousands of time and getting a sideeffect of getting dementia (being hollowed)
I believe Gwyn didn't use lightning spell because we were not a dragon, or because he was so hollow he didn't even remember to use them... Maybe that's also why soul of cinder uses it
Bro, imagine being so powerful the gods said: "Please leave this universe, with love The Royal Family"
All that to be beaten by a hollow with a giant club and only rags for clothes
@@davidnainggolan6763That str build came through
Gotta be quicker than that
@@davidnainggolan6763well lore wise she did live on up before the events of dark souls 3.
killing her was a option that is unknown to canon if we ended her or not.
seeing how we see (and me guessing) her child in dark souls 3
@@Zach-qo1onwho’s her theorized child in ds3? Been a while since I played the games so my memory’s foggy
Actually patches reigns supreme, so powerful that he has outlived multiple universes, existing to witness the end and beginning eternally
Its weird that thats actually canon.
His ass is in armored core for answer.
@@gefehede7783 is he in armored core?
Per Reddit he is V.VII. In the mission where you are supposed to eliminate him, when he asks you to stop attacking him, you can and he will stop attacking you. Just like in Elden Ring. He also has a shield like in Elden Ring.
And kick you in the ass
Smelter demon killing the chosen undead in a single hit sounds like an unintentional meme.
The iron king. Not the choosen undead
@@Sprite_cranberry01 isn't the chosen undead gwyn's successor?
@@KajiinSkyrim they are but the video is wrong. The old iron kind does posess gwyn's soul (or part of it) but that wasn't until the smelter demon swung him into the lava. When the iron king fell into the lava it came into contact with gwyn's soul and that's what transformed him into the weird bull thing we fight in the game. So the choosen undead was the first successor of gwyn but the old iron king is the one with gwyn's soul (if you kill him on new game + you can get it)
Nope@@KajiinSkyrim
@@Sprite_cranberry01 oh interesting thank you! 😁
The fact that Priscilla is so kind is insane. She qas abused over and over and never became resentful
In DS1 theres nothing in-game that says Priscilla is treated poorly; its just as likely she likes being in the painting. In DS3 shes dead but we dont know how.
@@jacobhoover1654Do we see her dead body there? From what I understand it is a different painted world.
@@nayyarrashid4661it's a different painted world but was made with scraps of a previous painted world in a long lineage going along the way back to the one in DS1 (hence why we find parts of the DS1 painted world in the DS3 one.)
We don't see her dead body but she clearly isn't around anymore. Either she does from the chosen undead or is killed when the first painting is rotted and burned away for the next one.
@@nayyarrashid4661 Her tail is behind the statue after the final boss of the DLC.
@@jacobhoover1654 Source? I see no info about this topic online.
No matter how strong a boss or literal fucking god is in the souls universe. A naked fuck with a stick will bonk it to death😂
And imagine their reaction when that naked fuck still comes back even after they’ve killed them multiple times over and over again.
The concept of infinity is a scary one. A man with enough determination to hunt you a infinite amount of times is a man with a garinteeded victory. A infinite anything is a garintee that everything will happen even if that's a naked man beating god to death
What the fuck, it's spelled guarantee not garintee
@@hexadecimal973 gonads*
@@hexadecimal973 i guarantee you get no bitches
No way bro didn't even include Gael, bro legit survived the end of the world and took in the full power of the dark soul
Also forgot to include patches who is so insanely powerful that he transcends time and space itself
Gael, who also didn't just live to the end of the world, but basically caused it by massacring every single powerful being. When we fight him there is only two other living NPCs in the canon world.
@@suemeade2471there could be more back in Anor Londo and the main map but since we only visit the area Gael is in at the end of time we can assume there were 4 people left(the player the 2 npcs and Gael)
@@flyintiger7659theory is that the 2 NPCs were brought forward to time much like the character was.
@@RandomGuy-ft3cj why them?
Did you know ashen one can do a funny roll with full armor and somehow not be hit by any of these attacks?
Insane
Ashen One is the title of the DS3 PC only
Did you know : every boss in this game, eliminates ME in a single sweep
When every boss is a health check:
Elden Ring dlc, Miyazaki can’t make bosses hard anymore the traditional way, so a bitch slap and elbow from finger mommy kills me.
Thinking about it, Life Hunt sounds like a precursor to Destined Death, a power so feared that it was locked away by Maliketh so it couldnt be used by anyone again.
Thats how i would word it. Elden ring being the center of all their universes.
@@YourOneStopShop
I personally don’t like this theory and think that on a meta level it’s the other way around. Elden Ring draws inspiration from all the unique and interesting ideas from the other games that Fromsoft weren’t able to explore.
@@bolson42right but the frenzied flame ending and the fight amongst cragtrees in a ashen lake with the Elden Beast (which looks like a starry dark souls ancient dragon, even having multiple sets of wings) is wayyyyy more than just a little tid bit. Especially since said spectral dragon rode a golden star to the lands between from an outer plane of existence home to an outer god (elden stars spell description) sent as a vassal for the “greater will”.
Idk about you guys but Shrabriri comes off as a chosen undead almost. Reminds me a lot of the unhinged characters that are borderline insane and insist we link the first flame in ds1/3. Could chalk it up to just references, but remember, the frenzied flame is the original power of the lands between and everything came from it- sounding an awful lot like the first flame and even the chaos flame.
Miyazaki’s games all have very similar moulds with different filling . World cycle, badass old man in the end, dragon, a nobody rising to become someone.
@@MrHydra12 Just references and similar themes/design choices, George RR Martin came up with most of the background for Elden Ring, there's no point in collaborating with him if you're trying to create a sequel (or a crossover) to a trilogy he's not familiar with.
The most powerful enemy in all the Soulslike series is indeed the fucking camera
King of the Storm!!!!!
i think the fact that the SoC is the embodiment of literal hundreds of thousands of years worth of the strongest warriors of their time linking the fire makes him the strongest. he is the stacked embodiment of the strength of warriors who slayed everybody on this list plus thousands more
soul of cinder is gwyn and the guy who killed the literal embodiment of death and gwyn (if we take that the chosen undead linked the fire)
And then it was an easy as fuck boss fight 😂
Really it was the powers of perception, and the collective consciousness of the internet that came through
@@blad3band1teasy!? 🙁😔
@@ShyneSelfor sure one of the easier bosses in 3. Ds3 had some stupid hard bosses tho
Bro didn’t even mention Gravelord Chained Prisoner from DS1. That thing gives me nightmares
black phantom Gravelord Chained prisoner
Yeah, Neto is super powerful in lore but I’ve never had trouble fighting him. He is pretty easy actually
@@nihil7655 my sleep paralysis Demon
@@6Simply6Sean6not neto, a dlc enemy
Smelter demon to my knowledge although killed the iron king and then his body falling into lava is were the iron king found Gwyns soul sooooo
(Sorry if I sound like 🤓)
You only sound like 🤓 because of the "Sooooo" at the end, but otherwise I believe that is correct.
But he was already dead? Did Gwyns soul bring him back?
@@WileeCoyote1516I would you exactly call a giant demon, brought back. More like took his body under new management
@@soulofcinder4748and empowered whatever remained of his soul
The burnt ivory king has to be the strongest. He's been fighting the chaos for so long only to succumb to it and it takes a whole army to seal the chaos back.
And then there's a person who create the whole chaos thing using a soul which is not even the strongest of the three souls.
4 OG souls mah mistake
Not quite
Ivory King is cool, but I don't think he's the strongest, imo.
He's a pretty nice boss, and the concept is pretty good I guess, but you are over scaling him way too high just based on your own liking of the character.
I always felt like Nameless King could have been an absolute menace, inheriting his fathers power and befriending the dragons, he was really something else.
This whole short : "Did You Know? VSauce Micheal Here".
Asylum demon the stronkest, he a thick boi
true, thick boi he is lol
Did you know that the Gravelord Nito we fight is basically asleep?
Gael at the point we find him at the end of the world is like a combination of Doom Guy and the Punisher just travelling the world for hundreds maybe thousands of years trying to find the dark soul and have probably seen and survive it all he was the ultimate challenge for the beginning of a new world
No, Gael was no champion it's literally stated in the lore, the only reason he managed to pose a challenge to the player is because he managed to lay his hands on the Dark Soul.
It's Patches. Assuming Patches isn't some namesake past on by bald Australian guys, he has lived through the rise and fall of countless kingdoms, cured hollowing, travelled across fucking dimensions and universes, and survived to see the end of the world.
Man's just built different, unbreakable one might say.
Just for that I think Patches is even stronger than "player" itself. Bro always find a way to a way to transverse into different title. Patches and moonlight greatsword stomps all.
The power to be a rapscallion is what keeps him going
Patches is just a namesake, he's nothing.
everytime i see him i kill him lmao. unfortunately now i'm trying to get ds3 platinum and i need him for gestures 😢
King Vendrick 🗿👑
Every boss we fight is in a weakened state. That's why I want them to make a souls game that is prequel ish. When each lord was in their prime.
They are weakened so we can actually fight them without breaking the lore of the games. If a single undead could beat up prime gwyn with the entire light soul w
he would be considered a joke afterwards.
@@TheLloydLightning yup, make sense.
You have to remember, lore wise we absorb the souls and gain the power of the people we kill. Only after gaining the souls of the enemies we kill are we able to kill these people. The only bosses I can think of in the souls series that have directly lost power are Gwyn, Artorias, Ivory King, Old Demon King, and Iudex Gundyr, with maybe a couple others I can't think of. Nobody else has lost power in any way, and most of the bosses we fight have gained power when we fight them, by absorbing certain souls or other means of gaining power. While I get that it's cool to imagine a stronger version of every boss, you have to realize that most of the bosses are in their prime when we fight them. The reality of the games is that our character is just strong enough to kill most of the enemies he fights when he fights them, with a few exceptions.
Lore wise bosses would wipe everyone. Imagine Loran without being criple, gwin on his prime or Pontiff
@@CameronE.128Well, we do fight prime Iudex on DS3 by the form of Champion Gundyr, so that's not a new thing.
This is exactly why these will always be my favorite games. No other dev can come close in terms of artistry and intricacy, and crispyness.
I retract my previous comment (if you find it)
Aldia is technically the strongest boss since we literally cannot fucking kill him and instead only kill a vessel. I mean he is just living fire and sticks, he also has like 6 seperate bodies we see and presumably teleportation with next to no limits on the distance. And dont forget that he does ALOT of damage and was only testing us to see if we had the strength to beat his toughest body.
Also, Aldia is probably still alive in DS3 and was a counsellor of prince Lothric.
Soul of Cinder. Literally all Lords of Cinder and chosen undeads combined. Or Gale. Having the full dark soul with the exception of the last piece that you have is crazy.
all that's left of the dark soul after it's been burning for an eternity
@@tsm688 dark soul doesn't burn or weakens. It only spreads and grows until the Age of Fire ends. All other souls diminish.
@@shrekkek9396 then why is it an empty husk?
@@tsm688 Who "it"?
@@shrekkek9396 the entire topic of discussion. soul of cinder.
It's either Gale or Aldia, two beings that transcended their ages and survived EVERYTHING.
Seath the Scaleless, while he may not be super powerful lorewise outside of his immortality, he is definitely one of the most influental characters in the entire series.
Who asked?
Yeah also he’s pretty imposing too
@@soul_of_a_heroyeah the dude literally chase you down to kick your ass when you reach the crystal.
@MEATSHOWJOE who asked u? Why bother say anything? Before u ask if that, ask urself who asked for ur opinion
@@blazednhazed71 🤓
Everyone knows deep down that the Soldier of Godrick is the true king of DS. He's so powerful, they took him out of the lore completely.
Rick, soldier of god.
Soldier of God, Rick. Truly the scariest boss in all the lore. Why did they make him the first boss
“Dear lady Pricilla, might I start by stating how beautiful your later spell is? However, it’s come to our attention that this spell is… rather destructive. Now of course I do not wish to order you, however I must ask that you please relocate to some other plain of existence. Kind regards, -The King”
So, whilst most people believe that the only true wielders of Sunlight are in fact Gwyn and his Son, there are actually 2 more.
The first one is pretty obvious, Gwynevere. Whilst she was not ever shown, let alone shown casting a single offensive spell of Sunlight, she does have some spells she created. One of them being Bountiful Sunlight, a healing spell that uses Sunlight to heal.
The second however, is a bit debateable. You see the Soul of Cinder is an amalgamation of every single Lord of Fire, the ones who have linked the flame. And at the final phase of that bossfight, as Lord Gwyn's heartwrenching theme plays, the Soul of Cinder recalls who it once was. As it raises it's hand to cast, Sunlight beckons it's call, and heeds it's wishes to defend the flame, one final time.
Everyone was so scared of Pricilla that they came right out and said it. “We’re scared of you, go away pleeeeease”
Even though manus is underappreciated lore wise he is the reason for the dark to exist, he is and was ultimately the reason for the fall of every kingdom in the darksouls universe. His power was to literally corrupt the minds of anyone who came in contact with the dark, and had a bounding curse on humas upon death. His power was so great it even made gwynn literally use his godly powers in the kiln of the first flame to keep it lit to combat the coming age of darkness. Gwynns only hope was a new lord powerful enough to combat the dark but it never worked and every kingdom eventually fell directly from the evils of the dark. To put it in layman's terms manus was sauron 2.0 with no direct weaknesses.
Yeah, only one correction: darkness wasn't "evil." Letting the flame die out was the natural course of action, not doing so twisted space and time, spreading chaos as we saw in DS3
The abyss existed before manus he simply helped spread it out into the real world
@@acastusofastora8641Actually, according to the lore, the dark existed before Manus but Manus literally manifested the abyss from his humanity.
@@jamtime4978But the flame would have faded without Manus anyway, he probably just sped up the process. The Dark would have manifested in some other way if he wasn't disturbed.
@@balazsbuki2345The dark and the abyss aren't the same thing though. Think of the abyss to humanity what chaos flame is to the soul. The abyss directly tied to Manus humanity and specifically its corruption. The abyss is a twisted amalgamation of his desires, wants and needs spreading from his corrupted humanity.
The dark on the other hand isn't always tied to an abyss because it's a natural force in the Dark souls universe. It'll exist so long as nobody links the flame and it always has the potential to exist. One's a natural state of the universe the other only exists because it was manifested to exist.
All that power...defeated by rolling 😅
Someone finally made a lore accurate souls game power ranking, I’ve been waiting so long.
Since the Chosen undead can kill them all, we are truly the best. Because of one specific thing... I FRAMES.
So, mimic tear is the strongest enemy?
Players abused s long enough for miquella to take notes
This whole "Did you know" thing is pretty funny and eye-catching, good tactic ngl
"Pontiff Sulyvahn could change the ending."
Aldrich whooping Pontiff's sorry ass so he can eat some femboy:
Pontif is the one that fed the femboy to aldritch, theres no proof they fought.
What? Aldrich and pontiff allied though
@@kamprouristheoharis8458 Nah, at first they were but Pontiff imprisoned Aldrich in the Cathedral of the Deep eventually because even he realized Aldrich was too much. Aldrich was powerful though so he was allowed to keep eating people and eventually become a Lord of Cinder.
@@kamprouristheoharis8458They fought that is why pontiff clothes are fucked
I'll never forget the feeling of fighting nameless king for the first time. Friggin incredible boss
Ashen one is canonically the strongest character, strongest boss is either Gael with the Dark Soul or Lord of Cinders with the souls of every champion.
Yep.
The ashen one also has the bonus of not being affected by hollowing in any serious way due to being ash, to the point to where he can completely remove the dark sigil from his body, meaning that he cannot eventually go hollow and lose his mind like the other characters in the series.
@@CameronE.128 and another bonus: That wasn't his first adventure, so from all the 3 he is more experienced
Aldritch might be depending on how many gods he ate; atleast one, probably 3, but possibly alot more. Nameless King is a contender also.
It's the soul of cinder because that's the combination of all of the people who ever linked the first flame, basically the most powerful and/or stubborn people of their time.
Fure smelter or the decieving and annoying magic smelter demon?
The magic blue one probably since the dlc is based in the past, the video also got something wrong, the old iron king came into contact with gwyn's soul after he was thrown into the lava, so the smelter demon only killed some feeble human dude .
@@The-Crusty-Man so the magic blue killed the king, but he was not powered by the soul of gwyn at that moment. Since the magic blue hits like a truck is understandable xD
the guy in the video doesn't explain it correctly. The Old Iron King was not "Gwyn's successor". He was just a king in the Drangleic kingdom.
Anyways, he created the Iron Keep and a large army. He had a loyal follower named Eygil who helped him implement magic to make his army stronger. Together they created the Smelter Demon, which was a powerful golem creature. However, the Smelter Demon turned evil and submerged the Iron Keep in a pool of lava and iron. The Smelter Demon then killed the Old Iron King with a swing of its sword. The Old Iron King's body then fell under the Iron Keep in the pool of lava. However, a portion of Gwyn's soul happened to be located right there, and the piece of Gwyn's soul possessed the Old Iron King's body, turning him into the monster we have to fight in the game. That's pretty much how the lore goes with him.
@@ohdangitsbbqOr it could be that the smelter demon was created as a scapegoat to blame for the fall of the Iron Keep, and that the castle actually sunk into the magma due to its immense weight. Probably because the Iron King would be ashamed admit that his castle fell due to his hubris, making a whole castle out of iron lol.
@@seldomsweet funny idea but no that’s definitely not what happened. After using the Brume Tower (which we get to go to in the DLC) to create iron, the Old Iron King got so powerful he could mold iron/lava with his own hands. He created golems and ironclads. Lava was not a problem for him or the Iron Keep UNTIL the Smelter Demon came in the picture and fucked it up. The Old Iron King could literally lift up and move the Iron Keep if he had to. It was because the Smelter Demon killed and plunged the Old Iron King’s body into the lava that caused the Iron Keep to get overflown with lava.
Miyazaki watching this : Damn really?
I mean the soul of cinder has gwyns power and the power of all the others consumed by the first flame
Oh damn.
I didn't realize Priscilla was such a badass
furtive pygmy : Amateurs...
“Please move to another plane of existence, Thank You.”
-With love, the Universe XoXo
It's either Gale acter consuming the Dark Soul(A power that Gwynn feared so much that he cursed humans so they never become too stronger), SoC who is the amalgamation of dozens of the strongest beings of each era, or possibly Manus Father of the Abyss, if we take the theory he is the furtive pigmin and thus one of the 4 great lords as canon.
All of these are debatable because power scalling in Dark Souls is never something simple
Manus ain't the pygmy because the pygmy is in the ringed city
@@genghischron4084 That's debatable. It is definitely possible but we don't have concrete proof to say either way.
In the end it is fitting that we don't know who the Furtive Pigmy really is because as the game says, he was forgotten.
@@maracabo1176no he is not in the ringed city it he split himself into multiple fragements which became humans
@@thepublicpotato3887 He split the dark soul, not himself, Gwyn did the same, splitting part of his Light Soul.
Where did you get that he split himself?
@@maracabo1176 because every human including the chosen undead are considered his descendants as stated by kaathe. Since the Pygmy never had a wife to begin with this is the only reasoning behind this statement. Also it’s unlikely gwyn would’ve allowed humans to spread to far seeing that he feared the dark. Another thing is that even though gwyn split his soul it never took a form
I believe that 15.2k subscribers for content of this quality is criminal, you deserve way more :D
Bro is pretty much saying
Did you know that all the characters you play as in dark souls, aren’t that guy at all
Expect ashen one
I’m hooked. holy shit where has this channel been all my life!
Priscilla being intimidating in the lore is wild as she is just to adorable 😭
Bro speaking so fast for the short I bet once the take is done he's panting for air lmao
This is a very good short it totally sold me on checking out the channel
Yet all are defeated by smol guy with claymore
Did you know I need some spare change?
Everyone just forgetting my boy Kalameet.
“Even Anor londo dared not provoke his ire”
Priscilla isn’t the strongest. She had an ability that the gods were scared of, but that doesn’t mean Priscilla > Gwyn. The gods were scared of Occult weaponry as well. That doesn’t mean a hollow with an occult club would kill Gwyn. His ass would definitely still get locked up though. Gwyn was a pretty paranoid guy.
hollows with occult clubs literally do kill gwyn like, all the time
I have in fact killed Gwyn with an occult club whilst being Hollowed. Don't know what you're talking about bud. :v
I think people aren’t realizing that he says the old iron king is gywns successor in both his story and his might somewhat, so thats why he receives gywn’s soul. Whether he receives it after he gets one-tapped by smelt man is not the point, since he was likely stronger before he turned into the demon thing.
Did you know... that YOU killed them all?
Always remember, the scariest thing the game is you.
"you see this big fuckoff troll and you worry for me, no, you clearly dont know who i am, so let me clue you in. i am not in danger fire maiden, i AM the danger."
*dark spirit Giant Dad has invaded*
*chuckles* "im in danger."
True strongest is ds3 you.
In ds3 you kill the SoC who is gwyn+you+you+thousands of years worth of you.
@@HallgrimICEbut how many times you got killed by him before you managed to kill him?
You came around when they were all at their weakest.
Even though they were gods, demons, beings more powerful than you could ever be. The only thing they feared was your determination
Pontiff sulyvahn was originally designed as the final boss of dark souls 3 as well which just goes to show how powerful he is
Iron King was NOT Gwyn's successor. He's not blood-related to him in any way, and had absolutely zero to do with him until he fell into the lava and his corpse reached Gwyn's soul. Smelter Demon got him with that surprise tactic (as soon as he came to life, he swinged his sword at Iron King), and certainly they were standing near lava. Nor Iron King nor Smelter Demon are all that powerful.
It's never really specified whether or not he had found gwyn's soul before or after falling into the lava, but I believe the most common theory is that he had some sway over that soul's power without knowing it.
@@Caleb-zs8is I think Shalquoir confirms that Gwyn's soul was in fact in the lava, she talks about Gwyn and then says: "Now he's Ichorous Earth if im not mistaken" and a description reads that when he fell into the lava, Iron King found Ichorous Earth. Im relatively sure I'm remembering this right but I can't check right now so I'm not 100% sure.
The old Iron King was still powerful. All of Gwyn's power came from the Spirit of Light he found within the First Flame. If the old Iron King had this soul, he must have become at least as powerful as Gwyn, but I don't think he had any willpower as he turned into a monster after finding the soul.
@@ikigai1799 My guess is that it went like this: Iron King created Ichorous Earth, the "dragon made of iron" a description talks about, and left it there planning to do something with it. Meanwhile, or likely a lot of time after, Vendrick scooped out his own soul and left it in Amana, and supposedly all 4 lord souls he owned just flew away. Gwyn's soul went and powered Ichorous Earth. Meanwhile again, Iron King got murdered my the Smelter Demon and fell into the lava, Ichorous Earth just got a hold of his soul and therefore upon death he drops Iron King's in ng and Gwyn's in ng+. In Japanese, the (shit ass) boss: "Old Iron King" used to be just called Ichorous Earth, the translators messed it up good.
@@grassblock7668 Yes, it is known that the Old Iron King tried to make an iron dragon, maybe you are right. I don't know if Vendrick's Lord Spirits returned to earth when he separated his soul from his body, but there must definitely be a connection.
Either way, although the Old Iron King possessed Gwyn's soul, he lacked the will and consciousness to wield it.
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Nito was op according to lore and I hated his bos fight I rather fight Godskin duo 4 times than that gank fest
I’ve only played Elden ring and hearing you’d rather fight the godskin duo four times makes me understand how frustrating of a boss that must be
@@ellis3455Nito is not too bad if you don’t run around the arena like a headless chicken.
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The strongest is Slave Knight Gale. Nemeless king is only tough because of that stupid bird.
This is talking about lore strength, not in-game strength :v
Basically Priscilla is the strongest being in the souls universe
@@Nemo.404 not even close but anyway
@@Nemo.404 yep, slave knight gael is still the strongest NPC in all of the games.
@@Nemo.404it's still Slave Knight Gael, lore wise as well. Gael survives to the end of all civilization, and is able to finally consume the Dark Soul, the one power that Gwyn was so terrified of he had to lock it up at the edge of the world, protected by undead armies and a deadly abyss eating dragon. Gael has been able to not only survive all this time, but also weather the legions that guarded the pygmies. By the fact that he is a Slave Knight, it also indicates that he's had centuries, maybe millennia to hone his skills, and he is the last one of his kind standing, outlasting all but a few people in the universe.
@@maddox7548 He loses to the Ashen one though. Also most dragons and giants are probably stronger than Gael. Gael maybe the strongest humanoid but there beings in that universe that are more powerful
Excelente sales pitch. First you had my curiosity, but now you have my attention.
Gael post dark soul consumption stomps them
You know I've ashtrays and that the Soul of Cinder was the most powerful canonical boss since it's an amalgamation of all the previous lords. But full power Gael is probably so much more powerful than anything else
@@thomasrobinson24 look I get whete some people come from with this, but remember Gwyn feard the abyss for a reason and Gael is the second being ever to be the host of the dark soul after Manus (who imo is stronger than Gwyn).
@@user-dq8gs8ms8b Gwyn fears Age of Dark, not the Abyss or Dark Soul, that’s the reason he established from the very beginning when he was still the mightiest entity to stop the growth of mankind. And Manus is a part of Pygmy’s bloodline, so ofc he has a part of DS, but tbh I think Gael is still stronger than Manus since he drank all blood of Pygmy kings
@@chuongvulenguyen290 the Abyss BRINGS the Dark Age so....
@@user-dq8gs8ms8b Abyss comes together with Dark Age, the closer the Dark age comes, the stronger abyss will be. That’s basically explained why dark soul from the beginning was just a little soul
My smile slowly disappeared
If on top of that you realize that Gwendolyn is the son of Gwyn and Priscilla, you realize just how powerful he's MEANT to be.
He has:
Gwyn blood,
Dragon blood,
Occult blood,
The power of sorcery and miracles,
The power to cast a NATION WIDE illusion,
Incredibly loyal and incredibly powerful servants known to deal with the most wretched and foul invaders.
Where in the world does it says that Gwyndolin is son to Gwyn and Priscilla?????? First of all that's incest, Priscilla is Gwyn's granddaughter. There are numerous hints and evidence that Priscilla is product of Seth and Gwynevere.
@@undercover_matinprobably just some unfounded theory vaati repeated. That's the extent most people experience souls lore.
*what the fu-*
Through Japanese translation its clear that Seathe was lawfully wedded to Gwynevere, while priscilla is stated to be a bastard child , therefore her mother isn't gwynevere.
Now , there is no way to know who her actual mother is, but because the dagger made from her tail has occult affinity, it's likely either Velka or one of Seathe's experiments.
Gwendolyn has snakes(stated to be imperfect dragons) growing as part of his body, and he has high affinity with sorcery.
Now , unless you want to theorize that Gwyn fucked Seathe , it's a lot more likely that he tried to have a child with Priscilla in order to guarantee himself control over an individual with the powerful properties of Lifehunt, which seems to not have worked, hence why he cast Gwendolyn into the shadows of Anor londo, keeping him secret, as he was disappointed in him.
*sees Ivory King*
Ah! The Chad of Chads himself! Mad respect!
Um AcTuAlly I see true sunlight whenever I go outside in the games.
Ey bro that was a good pitch imma watch the whole vid
Nice short!
Smelter demon was the bane of my existence as a new souls player. Not having good adaptability, making a tank build with no hood fire defense meant that he just burned through all my attempts until I brute forced by killing everything in the iron keep permanently so I could just go straight to the boss.
The Iron King was a mere human when killed by the Smelter Demon, he then felled into a pool of lava and got possessed by what lurked below (demons maybe?) and there he also achieved Gwyn's soul. Aftet the transformation, he's most likely a mere body, possessed by fire and evil beings.
I agree
The furtive Pygmy so easily forgotten
And also bosses like vendrick who we only fight a very weak version of him that can barely move his sword and still hit hard, imagine fighting his prime self, or also velstadt and fume knight who sure as hell are strong
I did know some of these things (mainly the Halfbreed Priscilla stuff) but he got me at the end there ngl
Lore-only? It's Gael. Gael had every bit of the Dark Soul in him with the exception of our own share, and the Dark Soul was at its strongest being so close to the Age of Dark. That puts him ahead of prime Gwyn, prime Vendrick, the Giant Lord, the Bed of Chaos, the Furtive Pygmy, even the Soul of Cinder.
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Priscilla is interesting in that she is possibly one of few deific characters in DS Lore that possibly lived through to see whatever era's came after DS3. Lore suggests that Aldritch had a dream about her, and he has a Lifehunt ability as well, but given that Priscilla's motifes are not present in Aldritch's mass, could also mean he simply has an imitation of lifehunt, while Priscilla is still out there somewhere, watching the end of the world, with nothing left to hunt her.
They didnt fear her because "She could nuke the world!" They feared Lifehunt because it could hurt gods nearly permamently and the gods did not like that an unholy half dragon abomination held the power to hurt them so they thre her in the painting.
Also lorewise the strongest should be Gael or Manus but I learn more toward Gael as he is the last being in the world who had hunted down every single pieces of the darksoul and won entire wars by his lonesome. A warrior who faught until the end of the world.
Do you know you got me? I have to watch each video now 😂
Yhorm is a giant of the lineage of Wolnir and that is why he is the strongest giant of his time. In Wolnir's prosperous age, almost no one was stronger than him, any place Wolnir invaded could not defeat him.. Yhorm same size as his forearm and already one of the strongest ever alive, image how strong and big he was makes me goose bump
why are you yelling at me bro im 2 feet away
Great intro to the vid 🫡
It's Gael, dude absorbed the entire power of the Dark Soul.
frost vs fire, it makes sense that everyone was terrified of Priscilla
We all know it's Pinwheel.
I didnt know a lot of these things, I'm gonna go visit your channel now 😊
I love this short, just what it is supposed to be. A short thing grabbin' ma attention and im drawn baby, imma watch em all.
Nameless king will always be my favorite boss. And the whole area or environment of the map is amazing.
I know what I’m listening too tonight while Santa eats my food downstairs
The strongest boss are the knights you fight before the Burnt Ivory King arrives.
If i remember correctly, the reason why the nameless king has more define lightning/sunlight power, is because dragons are the true origin of this power. And gwyn has been reincarnated and burn for thousands of time and getting a sideeffect of getting dementia (being hollowed)
All this shows to me is how strong our characters are. We are literally him/her
I’m under the impression that Patches is basically the true souls God. He’s always been there. Lurking.
And this all culminates in Pinwheel. Pinwheel is the right answer
For a sec I thought it was my boy maliketh
I believe Gwyn didn't use lightning spell because we were not a dragon, or because he was so hollow he didn't even remember to use them... Maybe that's also why soul of cinder uses it