@iacobogallus2110 I do consider TP as the best rider ever. But without any doubt, Vingegaard could beat him at the tour. Both of them in best shape is the dream of all cycling fans ,
@@roberthotter7008 for the tdf next year it really depends upon how much better can Jonas get for next season. I say that because the version of Tadej we saw this year was far better than he was in 2023 and if he is going to improve very much at all for next year I don’t see how Jonas can improve enough in one offseason to not only get to the level Tadej was at in 24 but to surpass him
Nobody at his age has ever won the TDF - the most competitive of all grand tours. Every team sends their best guns on TDF historical in the last thousand years
10 sec in and the first wrong „fact“: Roglic‘s Vuelta victory was not the first grand tour title for Bora-HansGrohe! That was the Giro 2022 with Jay Hindley
Roglic has beaten Evenepoel, Pogacar and Vingegaard in big races - as far as I know the only rider to do so; but time is not on his side and Pogacar has improved quite a bit and is avoiding the mistakes he made in the past. If Pogacar stays healthy I don’t see ANYONE beating him in the TdF
Was this written by Roglič (or Red Bull). I just don't see him being able to win the TdF (or any other Grand Tour) if Pogacar, Vingegaard, or Evanapoel are there. I hope Tadej goes for the the Giro, TdF, Vuelta triple, because having done the grand slam this year I think it would cement his best ever legacy and this might never be done again by any rider ever. Either way despite being very good I think he'll try to win Grand Tours that others avoid, and I just can't see him winning the TdF, his crashes aren't just bad luck they're bad positioning and poor bike handling.
@@davidgeissler8620 Remco was stronger in the tdf (look at lanterne rouge which is analysing the power output of the riders). Remco is also a better tt rider now.
Agree with all the below comments , I still feel that Primos was a miss for Ineos. Primos would have been a leader to ride for until one of their talents developed
@@gregmarcus3064remco had better numbers than Rog during the tdf. So objectively speaking, Remco has a bigger chance than Roglic (who is now 34 years old compared to a 24 year old cyclist)
@@fan-2sport-nf3sz Ok fair enough!I just don't like the guy since his hissy fit when a fan was just tailing him while riding. What a diva! Let's just enjoy the show. Surely not cheering him on.
After Pogi beat him on that legendary TT on TDF2020, I think, Rogla beat him just once on the 1st stage od Bask country 2021. And that's what Rogla and team Bora knows wery well. That's why I belive that Rogla will try to win Giro, to bring home at least one GT next year. They will try on Tour too, but the only real chance to win GT next year is Giro. Of course, if all of 4 greatest remain healty and safe. Last year Rogla had problems on Vuelta with O'connor and Mas, so if Remco and Jonas appear at the start of the Giro, even winnig of Giro will be a great achievement
Rog did win the Vuelta but beating who? It was similar to Pogacar's Giro except one was won by chasing O'Connor the entire way and the other by dominating every state from start to finish
I think that in 2025 the focus will not be TDF.. and I think that this is the only right and the only way to victory if it is intended for him. If it's not ment to be, that's ok...he is and will be the king, the king of hearts...which Tadej will never be, not in that sense.
Was this video sponsored by Red Bull? Utterly ridiculous suggesting a now 34 year old Roglic has any realistic chance of challenging his younger and stronger competitors. He will always rely on Tadej, Jonas and Remco to be absent, like this season's Vuelta
@@albertocontador1381 I don't know. I think this year might have been the turning point for that. At the Tour, Remco was better than Roglic on most of the stages and the only time Roglic was stronger was on the Puy Mary and Remco ended up catching up with him
yes, maybe you are right. But at the tour roglic crashed out before the real mountains stages began and at the vuelta roglic was really good and that after his tourcrash and the problems with his back.
6:27 "I took Vuelta a little bit under pressure" I don't think this is correct translation. He meant that he had to somehow force the Vuelta, to give it more than 100% to win it (considering the circumstances) and this took the toll on him and he was completely empty. I think the confusion comes from the expression "forced". If you are forced to do something, I guess that's the same as being under pressure. But he didn't mean that he was forced. He meant that he had to force it.
Bora needs to invest in a super strong domestique, but it's up to the budget. Unlike the UAE, which has all the money to buy the best rider in the world, the UAE domestiques were the best I've seen in years. They are super strong and unbelievable. No words can describe it.
It is so easy to bet on TP, but Vingegaard was extremely impressive in springtime, and the crash ruined the rest of his season . Like TP's Tour in 2023. Hope they will show an epic fight in 2025, and there won't be anybody to stop one of this supreme class
Vingegaard is very much within Roglič's range, if he is healthy. In 2023, he would have beaten him on Vuelta if there was no team politics involved (they would both beat Kuss). That's the main reason for leaving Visma. Pogačar would be hard to beat, he is on another level even compared to Vingegaard. If there is no bad luck (health issues), I don't think anyone can match Pogačar in next few years (or more).
@mares7613 The ultimate challenge, in the form of a competitive Vingegaard, was missing at this year's tour. So we all have to guess. At this very Race, the Tour, I see both of them equally on the top level.
If pogacar has an ordinary season next year it will show he is human (would be expected after such a dominant year) bit if he excels it proves he is doping (Mechanical Doping IMO). Primoz will be competetive. But he hasn't got a hope keeping up with the pog.
He IS a great rider. The only problem is Tadej... And maybe his positioning in the peloton. But I am thinking that Red Bull makes some progress with him since the Vuelta.
In my opinion the 2025 tour will be a fight to the death, Vingegaard will focus all of his season for the tour and pogi know it so he will try to improve his performance even more, but honestly there is no way that Primoz can stand up to those two aliens.
Even if Primož does't crash next year and his preparations are perfect he can't beat Pogi or Jonas. Yes, he can beat Remco, but not the other two. Third place is the most he can get at the TDF. Ad acta !!!
"Barely won". Totally wrong, he attacked when he pleased and just did enough to beat him, he could have won more stages but chose not to. He also did record numbers on 2 stages.
It looks like he will go to the giro next year instead of the tour He needs to think of the 2014 tour when nobody thought nibali could beat froome or contador who were way ahead of him But they both crashed out and that opened the door That’s what roglic has to believe in I think it’s pointless trying to win the giro again
Roglic might be able to beat Evenepoel in a grand tour, but not including a crash or other something of that nature, ain't no chance he will ever beat Pogacar or Vingegaard for that matter in the tour, it just won't happen.
That's the mindset of the mediocre and hence why there aren't a lot of champions, it is irrelevant if he wins it or not but having tried it until the end requires determination and sheer will, rather than laughing it off I'd invest my time learning from the efforts of someone, mocking someone's dreams is petty and pathetic.
Pogi and Primož are my compatriots. I love them both but I'm also realistic. There is no way Primož can beat Pogi...NO WAY...considering nothing goes wrong. Pogi might become THE GOAT of cycling, which he is proving year after year. But I wish the best for Primož, he's a great athlete and person. We Slovenians are a little "weird" sometimes. The older generation is for Primož, the younger generation is for Pogi.
More or less the truth… but I am 60 and totally for Pogi, from the ‘19. and Tour de l’Avenir a year before. It has nothing to do with years, more with a sport knowledge. Media had a pretty big influence, at the Tour’20 everything was prepared for Primož to win. A film has been made, a book has been written… so for some people Tadej winning it was close to a tragedy. They took it personally. A whole nation. Now, 4 years later it’s clear, Pogi is on his way to GOAT , he is on another level, comparing only to Merckx.
@@radokostanjevic5478 I agree. I see that you're also may compatriot if I look at your name "Rado Kostanjevec." I,m also over 60 and my heart goes with Pogi since 2019. What I don't like is that some Slovenians are either Pogi "haters" or Roglič "haters." It's actually sad. You can love one, but don't hate the other one.
@@zvonkocafuta9989 totally agree with you. Yes, I am Slovenian, too. All this hate started exactly at the moment after Pogi has won the ITT at TdF 2020. For some a “wrong” Slovenian won the Tour. Stupid, but it’s true. For them Pogi even now is a traitor. This I can’t understand, too, because it has nothing to do with sport. Pogi won fair and square on the road. Glad to see you are an older generation, understanding what sport is all about. Because haters don’t. My heart is with Pogi all along, but I have never been against Primož, either. Let the best man win, that’s all. Wish you all the best.
Well..don't call me old 😂😂😂 I'm Rogla fan for ever..and I know a lot of children that are his fans allso..age is not a factor..what you like about a person or sportsman in this case is...or who your parents or spouse adore 😉..we don't need a drama in a familly.. don't we 😉. Jokes aside..two of them are very diferent and is normal that suporters of each one are different..some can admite that at the time Tadej is better cyclist (I can) some can not..but that doesn't change who true fan support..not everythin is about winning..even Tadej, as good as he is, won't be beas at every race that he start..but true fans will stay and support him..that's the wonder of sport..
if he knows what TP is taking to enhance his performance then he has a chance. so long as he does the same this is not about training or marginal gains. TP pulled a "landis" on his last 4 races......and many other times. not normal. anyone who thinks TP is clean is sadly living in a fantasy world
No, he has crested a few years ago, he is on the downward slope, usually on his arse. Tadej is head and shoulders above Primoz, when they compete Roglic loses
I actually think that Jonas, Remco, and Primos could beat him if they have good team mates who can get them up to speed I mean Pogi is normaly going solo so if you have 2 riders with you pogi shouldn´t be strong enough
Pogi is solo in the end, because noone can stay with him, that means Vingi, Eveno and Rogla included. So where would these 2 domestiques come from that would be able to follow Pogačar, when he is on the move?
In the military world, we have to showcase our drug allergies on our placards. In all the top team contenders, I will say the acronym is "IDGAF". In short, it says... "Give Drugs. All the Drugs."
To get past TP he’ll have to get past 3 or 4 other riders first. Primoz is the Andy Murray of the world tour. Top rider but just too much other talent in between him and the top spot.
You can't deny redbull bora had a somewhat good season for a start and despite being far from Pogacar at least they got data on how much Roglic has to improve, it is a given that Roglic's ambition is to win the tour so we'll just have to see how much improvement he has to make to be better at next year's tour. Whether he is succesful or fails we'll have to see. I do agree though that Pogacar is way too strong and has figured out a formula to win grand tours so he has a lot of work to do if he is to beat him.
@@matthillard9363 there is often a little bit of competition. Remco doesn’t win every race he enters. There’s always legit competition for him. It’s not the case for Roglic. He enters the races everyone knows he’ll win. It’s honestly not a bad strategy. Never race anyone you can lose to (us amateurs call it sandbagging)
@@bobo-ph6xm yeah redbull wow. its same team, same manager, same riders... and yeah first grand tour title for red bull...boss is also new sponsor the milestone for ralph denk to win his first grand tour was the giro 2023. the sponsor are only necessary evil
He's falling too often. He's not dominant in itt nor the climbs as in past years but it's to be expected as a guy ages. His tactics were good in tdf but the fall was embarrassing. It was completely lack of attention he went down. After next year bora will need a new leader. Hes not competitive against jonas or tadej anymore. He has great support in vlasov, hindley and martinez yet they can only take you so far. Pidcock has proven at ineos hes only out for himself and won't ride for others. He's a liability more than an asset. For primoz riding where tadej isn't is the best strategy for wins
Roglič will beat Pogačar? Please pass along whatever you are smoking!! Roglič can't even stay in his bike! In addition, you mentioned how his wins this year only came when he was racing races Pogačar WASN"T RACING!!
The only way that Roglic will beat Pogacar is if Pogacar falls and abandons the race. But wait, that's Roglics forte. Roglic only won the Vuelta due to there not being any other real contender.
Don't forget that pogacar came to the Tdf exausted after winning classics and giro!Jonas, like Fuente a couple of years mountain climbing with tough gears that have worn him out.
@user1qaz2wsx3edc yes...but Jonas spent 3 weeks in the hospital with a punctured lung and broken collar bone and while he had some good stages he was inconsistent due to his lack of training and was timid on the descents due to his crash. This would have been a much different TDF with a healthy Jonas.
I agree, it wouldn't have been easy, but peak Jonas was not there in July. At his peak it would have a lot tougher battle. Maybe Tadej would have won, maybe Jonas would have. Hopefully we can see them all in top shape for TDF next year.
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He'll have to beat gravity and stay on his bike before he beats Pog!
If pogacar improves at all for next season and stays healthy Roglic will have no real chance of winning the TDF
Actually nobody else as pogacar himself could win TdF.
@iacobogallus2110
I do consider TP as the best rider ever.
But without any doubt, Vingegaard could beat him at the tour.
Both of them in best shape is the dream of all cycling fans ,
@@roberthotter7008 for the tdf next year it really depends upon how much better can Jonas get for next season. I say that because the version of Tadej we saw this year was far better than he was in 2023 and if he is going to improve very much at all for next year I don’t see how Jonas can improve enough in one offseason to not only get to the level Tadej was at in 24 but to surpass him
Easily? Jonas had no chance
Nope. Jonas said he’d put out record numbers, in this year’s TDF. Still wasn’t even close to Pog.
Yes! Well at least I hope 🤞🏾 that Primoz finally gets the TDF GC!!
Nobody at his age has ever won the TDF - the most competitive of all grand tours.
Every team sends their best guns on TDF historical in the last thousand years
Primos will have to do many 5 hour zone 2 sessions @340w.🥴😂🤗
primoz winner of TDF 2025
I like Primoz and wish him well, but I don’t think he’s beating the Greatest Ever Cyclist. (yes, Tadej will be the greatest)
10 sec in and the first wrong „fact“: Roglic‘s Vuelta victory was not the first grand tour title for Bora-HansGrohe! That was the Giro 2022 with Jay Hindley
Not Bora, he said Red Bull. So that was ok
3:14 the picture is from years ago. Check your sources
I really admire Roglic but would be surprised if he can find the extra gear to beat TP
Roglic has beaten Evenepoel, Pogacar and Vingegaard in big races - as far as I know the only rider to do so; but time is not on his side and Pogacar has improved quite a bit and is avoiding the mistakes he made in the past. If Pogacar stays healthy I don’t see ANYONE beating him in the TdF
The last time Roglic beat Pogacar in a Grand Tour was in 2019 when Pogacar was in his first year and freshly turned 20 years.. lol
@@lordad I was about to say the same thing...
What are you smoking? 😂
I just wanted to write this when I saw that someone thought of it 15 hours ago 😂
Yeah this AI channel is way off here 😅
Redbull
So Primoz goes off in a 1 man breakaway and no one chases not even Tadej's team. Yeah that could work.
Roglic should wait until Pogacars raceschedule is out before announce his own to avoid Pogacar.
Pogacar is unbeatable.
Unless jonas is at full strength. He's beaten him twice at the tdf and was still recovering last year. He's the only one that can beat pog
😂😂😂
Was this written by Roglič (or Red Bull). I just don't see him being able to win the TdF (or any other Grand Tour) if Pogacar, Vingegaard, or Evanapoel are there. I hope Tadej goes for the the Giro, TdF, Vuelta triple, because having done the grand slam this year I think it would cement his best ever legacy and this might never be done again by any rider ever. Either way despite being very good I think he'll try to win Grand Tours that others avoid, and I just can't see him winning the TdF, his crashes aren't just bad luck they're bad positioning and poor bike handling.
It was actually written by Roglič ON Red Bull ;)
He can beat remco he would of won 5 Vuelta but guess what he crashed he really needs to fix that
@@davidgeissler8620 Remco was stronger in the tdf (look at lanterne rouge which is analysing the power output of the riders). Remco is also a better tt rider now.
I’m putting Remco ahead of Roglic, on my top 5 list.
He can def beat Remco over 3 weeks
He can possibly beat vingegaard over 3 weeks
But he won’t beat current pogacar over 3 weeks
Agree with all the below comments , I still feel that Primos was a miss for Ineos. Primos would have been a leader to ride for until one of their talents developed
Only 3 riders have a chance. Jonas, Remco, and Roglic.
Nop. No chance at all
Jonas..Yes. Roglic...a big big maybe? Remco...NEVER!
@@gregmarcus3064remco had better numbers than Rog during the tdf. So objectively speaking, Remco has a bigger chance than Roglic (who is now 34 years old compared to a 24 year old cyclist)
@@fan-2sport-nf3sz Ok fair enough!I just don't like the guy since his hissy fit when a fan was just tailing him while riding. What a diva! Let's just enjoy the show. Surely not cheering him on.
@@gregmarcus3064 I knew Remco for 4 years. On the football pitch, he could be a pain in the ass. But outside, he is just calm.
Good luck to Primoz but I don’t see anyone atm dethroning Tadej . But hope he has a shot.
Better said than done. If he did beat Pogi, it will be for sure Pogi was sick and having an off day. Hope you time it PERFECTLY.
After Pogi beat him on that legendary TT on TDF2020, I think, Rogla beat him just once on the 1st stage od Bask country 2021. And that's what Rogla and team Bora knows wery well. That's why I belive that Rogla will try to win Giro, to bring home at least one GT next year. They will try on Tour too, but the only real chance to win GT next year is Giro. Of course, if all of 4 greatest remain healty and safe.
Last year Rogla had problems on Vuelta with O'connor and Mas, so if Remco and Jonas appear at the start of the Giro, even winnig of Giro will be a great achievement
Rog did win the Vuelta but beating who? It was similar to Pogacar's Giro except one was won by chasing O'Connor the entire way and the other by dominating every state from start to finish
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I think that in 2025 the focus will not be TDF.. and I think that this is the only right and the only way to victory if it is intended for him. If it's not ment to be, that's ok...he is and will be the king, the king of hearts...which Tadej will never be, not in that sense.
POGI , will be at his peak for the next 3 seasons. He’s going to win a hell of a lot of races .
Was this video sponsored by Red Bull? Utterly ridiculous suggesting a now 34 year old Roglic has any realistic chance of challenging his younger and stronger competitors. He will always rely on Tadej, Jonas and Remco to be absent, like this season's Vuelta
Haha true
With Pogacar and Vingegard i agree with you but Evenepoel is still beatable for Roglig i think
@@albertocontador1381 I don't know. I think this year might have been the turning point for that. At the Tour, Remco was better than Roglic on most of the stages and the only time Roglic was stronger was on the Puy Mary and Remco ended up catching up with him
yes, maybe you are right.
But at the tour roglic crashed out before the real mountains stages began and at the vuelta roglic was really good and that after his tourcrash and the problems with his back.
Absolute bollocks, he doesn't have the watts, pure and simple.
And this s CALLED Watts!
That’s his only downfall. An elite talent that can’t stay on a bike
Although I would really enjoy Roglic wins a TDF I do not see anyone beating Pogi in next years, considering what he showed this year.
Roglic trying to stay on pojacar's pace will have him roasted well-done
6:27 "I took Vuelta a little bit under pressure" I don't think this is correct translation. He meant that he had to somehow force the Vuelta, to give it more than 100% to win it (considering the circumstances) and this took the toll on him and he was completely empty.
I think the confusion comes from the expression "forced". If you are forced to do something, I guess that's the same as being under pressure. But he didn't mean that he was forced. He meant that he had to force it.
Bora needs to invest in a super strong domestique, but it's up to the budget. Unlike the UAE, which has all the money to buy the best rider in the world, the UAE domestiques were the best I've seen in years. They are super strong and unbelievable. No words can describe it.
Not going to happen. Pogi’s on the upswing; Primoz is on the down.
I feel sorry for jai, first grand tour title.....
for Red Bull its the first
My favourite saying - don’t tell me show me. ;)
Didn't even watch this. Smells of hype, hype, hype.
It is so easy to bet on TP, but Vingegaard was extremely impressive in springtime, and the crash ruined the rest of his season .
Like TP's Tour in 2023.
Hope they will show an epic fight in 2025, and there won't be anybody to stop one of this supreme class
Vingegaard is very much within Roglič's range, if he is healthy. In 2023, he would have beaten him on Vuelta if there was no team politics involved (they would both beat Kuss). That's the main reason for leaving Visma. Pogačar would be hard to beat, he is on another level even compared to Vingegaard. If there is no bad luck (health issues), I don't think anyone can match Pogačar in next few years (or more).
@mares7613
The ultimate challenge, in the form of a competitive Vingegaard, was missing at this year's tour.
So we all have to guess.
At this very Race, the Tour, I see both of them equally on the top level.
@@roberthotter7008 Vingegaard might be a tad better if he wouldn't crash, but there was no way he could beat Pogačar this year.
THIS is a sensationalistic click byte, nothing more. Primož and Tadej respect each other, if you didn't know.
If pogacar has an ordinary season next year it will show he is human (would be expected after such a dominant year) bit if he excels it proves he is doping (Mechanical Doping IMO). Primoz will be competetive. But he hasn't got a hope keeping up with the pog.
He should go for the TDF Jonas will work with him.
Primoz was a great rider. He is now past his prime.
Exactly
He IS a great rider. The only problem is Tadej... And maybe his positioning in the peloton. But I am thinking that Red Bull makes some progress with him since the Vuelta.
@@maniac0303 I still think that Roglic is now past his prime. Cycling is now a sport for the young. But next season will tell.
Pog is the goat of cycling its simple not possible Roglic does this if Pogi is 100%
As they say : never bet against Pogacar, never bet on Roglic...
In my opinion the 2025 tour will be a fight to the death, Vingegaard will focus all of his season for the tour and pogi know it so he will try to improve his performance even more, but honestly there is no way that Primoz can stand up to those two aliens.
did Jonas not announce he is doing the giro in 2025?
@@jb-rx2ig no, it was a fake news.
So what made the difference this Year, anybody to see wings, based on results?
You're on drugs. Primoz needs to work on not crashing, than work on team tactics before he can dream of beating Pogi or Jonas
Even if Primož does't crash next year and his preparations are perfect he can't beat Pogi or Jonas. Yes, he can beat Remco, but not the other two. Third place is the most he can get at the TDF. Ad acta !!!
@@zvonkocafuta9989 Right!! He's also older while Pogachar is still improving every year
Unless, pogacar decides to skip the tour, Roglic won’t ever win it.
Rude
so roglic is beating Jonas and remco?
How? By improving a 36 yeat old by 20% and teaching him to ride a bike? He baaaaaaaarely won the Vuelta against O'Connor
"Barely won". Totally wrong, he attacked when he pleased and just did enough to beat him, he could have won more stages but chose not to. He also did record numbers on 2 stages.
@@Queen-be6mdthank you ! people disrespect Roglic too much just because he crashes a lot.
He gave O'Connor a 5 minute lead came back and won by 2 minutes anybody is beatable primoz can win
You are very optimistic sir😂
It looks like he will go to the giro next year instead of the tour
He needs to think of the 2014 tour when nobody thought nibali could beat froome or contador who were way ahead of him
But they both crashed out and that opened the door
That’s what roglic has to believe in
I think it’s pointless trying to win the giro again
Roglic might be able to beat Evenepoel in a grand tour, but not including a crash or other something of that nature, ain't no chance he will ever beat Pogacar or Vingegaard for that matter in the tour, it just won't happen.
Pog and his henchman...dark tones...
They shoud have invested in Remco Evenepoel.
If he can stay on his bike😂 pipe dreams. Ten years older ...always avoid Pogacar. He has no chance just retire and be happy.
That's the mindset of the mediocre and hence why there aren't a lot of champions, it is irrelevant if he wins it or not but having tried it until the end requires determination and sheer will, rather than laughing it off I'd invest my time learning from the efforts of someone, mocking someone's dreams is petty and pathetic.
We all know that🙄 your missing the reality
Good luck practicing more than 5 hours zone 2 at 340 watts training sessions...
Primos Can't Beat Tadej. He's taking the piss.
But roglic is getting older each season 😢
Pogi and Primož are my compatriots. I love them both but I'm also realistic. There is no way Primož can beat Pogi...NO WAY...considering nothing goes wrong. Pogi might become THE GOAT of cycling, which he is proving year after year. But I wish the best for Primož, he's a great athlete and person. We Slovenians are a little "weird" sometimes. The older generation is for Primož, the younger generation is for Pogi.
More or less the truth… but I am 60 and totally for Pogi, from the ‘19. and Tour de l’Avenir a year before.
It has nothing to do with years, more with a sport knowledge. Media had a pretty big influence, at the Tour’20 everything was prepared for Primož to win. A film has been made, a book has been written… so for some people Tadej winning it was close to a tragedy. They took it personally. A whole nation.
Now, 4 years later it’s clear, Pogi is on his way to GOAT , he is on another level, comparing only to Merckx.
@@radokostanjevic5478 I agree. I see that you're also may compatriot if I look at your name "Rado Kostanjevec." I,m also over 60 and my heart goes with Pogi since 2019. What I don't like is that some Slovenians are either Pogi "haters" or Roglič "haters." It's actually sad. You can love one, but don't hate the other one.
@@zvonkocafuta9989 totally agree with you. Yes, I am Slovenian, too.
All this hate started exactly at the moment after Pogi has won the ITT at TdF 2020.
For some a “wrong” Slovenian won the Tour. Stupid, but it’s true. For them Pogi even now is a traitor. This I can’t understand, too, because it has nothing to do with sport. Pogi won fair and square on the road.
Glad to see you are an older generation, understanding what sport is all about. Because haters don’t. My heart is with Pogi all along, but I have never been against Primož, either.
Let the best man win, that’s all.
Wish you all the best.
Well..don't call me old 😂😂😂 I'm Rogla fan for ever..and I know a lot of children that are his fans allso..age is not a factor..what you like about a person or sportsman in this case is...or who your parents or spouse adore 😉..we don't need a drama in a familly.. don't we 😉.
Jokes aside..two of them are very diferent and is normal that suporters of each one are different..some can admite that at the time Tadej is better cyclist (I can) some can not..but that doesn't change who true fan support..not everythin is about winning..even Tadej, as good as he is, won't be beas at every race that he start..but true fans will stay and support him..that's the wonder of sport..
pogacar is close to unbeatable and if hes going to get beaten it will be jonas, remco or a young supertalent but certainly not roglic.
if he knows what TP is taking to enhance his performance then he has a chance. so long as he does the same this is not about training or marginal gains. TP pulled a "landis" on his last 4 races......and many other times. not normal. anyone who thinks TP is clean is sadly living in a fantasy world
What will Rog cook? A Hot Pog?🤣
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Its not gonna happen and i'm a pogi fan...but it would really be nice to see primoz win the tour
Tadejs henchmen? Always hating on Pogacar.
Primoz is not doing anything against tadej
No, he has crested a few years ago, he is on the downward slope, usually on his arse. Tadej is head and shoulders above Primoz, when they compete Roglic loses
I actually think that Jonas, Remco, and Primos could beat him if they have good team mates who can get them up to speed I mean Pogi is normaly going solo so if you have 2 riders with you pogi shouldn´t be strong enough
Pogi is solo in the end, because noone can stay with him, that means Vingi, Eveno and Rogla included. So where would these 2 domestiques come from that would be able to follow Pogačar, when he is on the move?
@@mares7613ok you have a point
In the military world, we have to showcase our drug allergies on our placards. In all the top team contenders, I will say the acronym is "IDGAF". In short, it says... "Give Drugs. All the Drugs."
Not in the same league. Ground is his biggest enemy not Pogi.
I love Roglic and I hope he wins, but he’s old to beat Pogi and even Jonas
Primož will win the TDF 25 ;)
Yep, only if Tadej decided to skip the tour😂
He has to go through Jonas and Remco
To get past TP he’ll have to get past 3 or 4 other riders first. Primoz is the Andy Murray of the world tour. Top rider but just too much other talent in between him and the top spot.
To be short…. Heck no. He might be too old to beat the top two riders in the world.
Roglic is one of the best stage race riders in the World, but he is so far off Pogacars level it's not even funny.
Ha. Only in your dreams. He’s only been beating people that he’s always been better than.
You can't deny redbull bora had a somewhat good season for a start and despite being far from Pogacar at least they got data on how much Roglic has to improve, it is a given that Roglic's ambition is to win the tour so we'll just have to see how much improvement he has to make to be better at next year's tour. Whether he is succesful or fails we'll have to see. I do agree though that Pogacar is way too strong and has figured out a formula to win grand tours so he has a lot of work to do if he is to beat him.
That usually how winning works
@@matthillard9363 there is often a little bit of competition. Remco doesn’t win every race he enters. There’s always legit competition for him. It’s not the case for Roglic. He enters the races everyone knows he’ll win. It’s honestly not a bad strategy. Never race anyone you can lose to (us amateurs call it sandbagging)
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Can't beat poji
0:08 Hindley won 2023 Giro for Bora-Hansgrohe
Good catch of narrator's error, although it was in 2022.
Won Red Bull 1st title...
@@bobo-ph6xm yeah redbull wow. its same team, same manager, same riders... and yeah first grand tour title for red bull...boss is also new sponsor
the milestone for ralph denk to win his first grand tour was the giro 2023. the sponsor are only necessary evil
@@EaturMeat-x3n oh, mein Gott!🥴
And his only real competition was an aging carapaz. But he's now relegated to a domestique
i'm really sorry to said that but mentally i think Roglic is not at the level of Pogy.
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In their dreams...🤣
No they're not.
He's falling too often. He's not dominant in itt nor the climbs as in past years but it's to be expected as a guy ages. His tactics were good in tdf but the fall was embarrassing. It was completely lack of attention he went down. After next year bora will need a new leader. Hes not competitive against jonas or tadej anymore. He has great support in vlasov, hindley and martinez yet they can only take you so far. Pidcock has proven at ineos hes only out for himself and won't ride for others. He's a liability more than an asset. For primoz riding where tadej isn't is the best strategy for wins
Roglič will beat Pogačar? Please pass along whatever you are smoking!! Roglič can't even stay in his bike! In addition, you mentioned how his wins this year only came when he was racing races Pogačar WASN"T RACING!!
Nah... He won't be able to win! Jonas is probably the only one who can beat pog
No he is not.
Better Drugs?
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No...they aren't LOL
😂 - better start working on bike handling.
Don't you agree it is also bad luck, Wout Van Aert has been crashing non stop since last year... was it luck or bad handling skills.
2023 Jumbo Visma magic juice(WVA beating Pog on climbs) was magical.
It was 2022
What a stupid statement......
hahaahaha
Nah.
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yeah no primoz has no chance of winning the tour hes to old
Nope…
The only way that Roglic will beat Pogacar is if Pogacar falls and abandons the race.
But wait, that's Roglics forte.
Roglic only won the Vuelta due to there not being any other real contender.
Do NOT forget Jonas. He was flying before the crash and easily could have beat Tadej in the Tour.
Don't forget that pogacar came to the Tdf exausted after winning classics and giro!Jonas, like Fuente a couple of years mountain climbing with tough gears that have worn him out.
“Easily”? lol no. He also didn’t have the team he had the year b4.
@user1qaz2wsx3edc yes...but Jonas spent 3 weeks in the hospital with a punctured lung and broken collar bone and while he had some good stages he was inconsistent due to his lack of training and was timid on the descents due to his crash. This would have been a much different TDF with a healthy Jonas.
@@alaefarmestatesllcYes...you are correct. No Kuss to help in the mountains. That was a huge factor.
I agree, it wouldn't have been easy, but peak Jonas was not there in July. At his peak it would have a lot tougher battle. Maybe Tadej would have won, maybe Jonas would have. Hopefully we can see them all in top shape for TDF next year.
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