@@enter6400 Eh? Where does it say that? Unless you're assuming that the enemy tremor is gonna convert to clockwinding every time you inflict extra tremor, which would be horrible.
@@mccrow4561if you properly read it you would realize that tremor clockwinding is a unique form of tremor which acts as a buff rather than something you want to burst its purpose is that it reduces self tremor count in order to inflict bonus tremor with your tremor inflicting coins plus some bonus speed on top
@@yesno4326 Yes, it's a buff. That's why I said that converting enemy tremor into it would be bad (also because it would paint over Reverb and the other tremors).
When looking at the new kit this morning, the SECOND I read "Defense Level Down" my eyes immediately rolled into the back of their head and my first thought was: "dead upon arrival."
And to those copeing saying "but Rupture Count!" Here's what it'll be: 1(2 on condition) Count on S1, 4 on condition S2 [after burning 3 with the attack], 3(4 on condition) on S3. IF it's actually different, then feel free to correct me after his release. But let's not kid ourselves here.
@@Shadow6OOso basically rupture count positive in any case? Pack it, I'll immediately shard him, better than talisman (I'm not speedrunner, I just want a comfortable team and this Sinclair feels like perfect addition)
@ryominto Rupture Count (at best, also never using S2) neutral without conditional and just barely positive on conditional (15+ Courier Trunk, same as Rodion) and 100% Rupture NEGATIVE if you have 15+potency and 3+count. The main reason that Rodion is good on specifically Rupture teams is her conditional of not spending any Rupture with her attacks. This Sinclair takes a look at that and goes: what if I not only replaced the best Rupture support in the game, but also still wasted Rupture on attack, even when I can't apply it back anymore?
The Sinclair seems to Setup for the Condition but PJM is to scared to go overboard. So they had to add something to him so he doesn't put Rupture to like 15 Count. My Guess is that he Caps its around 5 - 8 Rupture Count so he helps to fullfill the other Conditionals. Otherwise Talisman Sinclair will just be better.
the only way he’ll ever escape the shadow of talisman would be that the exact conditional to start being count negative would be way higher (20/5 at least), maybe this time he just fires off a shit ton of count then actually pisses off while the rest of the crew starts working to maintain that stack, otherwise there’s going to be memes like “deyvat means nine because it takes nine turns for him to be useful in rupture”
@@Dstryrrhe technically does, its just that rosebanner was designed to be a hybrid between rupture and tremor which just makes him really awkward for actually being used for either
@@yesno4326"technically" except the only skill he has that applies tremor is his skill 2 even his passive is just "apply rupture on targets with tremor"
9clair will only be able to compete with talisman if he's extremely count positive pre conditionals (+2 or +3 per skill). Then he can maybe offer an alt rupture playstyle of stacking a lot of count and retreating once the conditional is reached. Otherwise he'll be an md/unfocused encounter warrior only
Clockwinding only applies to HEATHCLIFF and not other allies, and since Heathcliff doesn't have any self-tremor IDs it's effectiveness will be limited, BUT it will synergise with Holiday so that's something to note. DevyatSinclair's passive gives himself shield not an ally, and gives clash power to allies on retreat, not on himself.
My wild Guess: Sinclair rupture count/potency application is quite high to where he could reach the 15x3 conditional by turn 3 maximum very easily, then you retreat and swap with Devyat Rodion to DPS the target down. Some would ask why do that when Talsiman can help you get the threshold easily by turn 1-3, but as fights get longer and bosses purge status on phase changes it could make rupture more consistent without having to reset endlessly every time Rodion takes 5 hp damage (making lantern don hog the talsimans instead). The Reality Probably: -1/-1/+2 count and 2 potency application, and we question why they even bothered making this.
He is competing for nclair spot as a generalist blunt dps, while competing for cinq sinclair spot if we are talking about consistency and high clashing. Yeah his number better be broken, cuz competition is ROUGH
I feel like the way to play sinclair is gonna be putting him at the first stage of the fight to apply rupture count, and then retreating him into rodion to maintain it (probably still suck though)
mmm, the only way i can see this working is: if the on use effect changes mid coin. ie: enemy has 3 count, he has 3 count threshold. coin 1 consumes 1 count, lowering count to 2, allowing the 2nd coin to lose the conditional, allowing him to basically inflict more count/potency. with most conditionals at coin 2-3, i can see it working that way. i've seen some on use effect working that way (ie: multicrack faust skill 3 having +3 on 0 potency, 1st coin gains 1 potency, next coin is +4).
Unfortunately, that won't happen. The multicrack thing is a property of each individual coin, Sinclair's is an "on use" effect of the entire skill. Still pretty sure that he's going to be good.
@@azalakhir918which would mean we would probably have an id who has self tremor gain but doesnt use it like your standard charge ids like maybe something like a mix between the charge potency mechanics and rospanner rodion's passive like gaining buffs or extra effects once a certain amount of tremor count on self reduces
Devyat Sinclair looks depressing so far, we really do need numbers, and I mean HUGE NUMBERS for him to be saved. Heath's EGO looks interesting, I kind of missed the part where Oufi Heath is ass, but I just run him (and the Tremor team in general) only for MD farming, and I have a "7* Tremor Souls" (*not really 7) team. Another thing that I've either missed or I just don't get it is how it helps the team. Sure, it does add and convert Heath's Tremor counts into the ones that boost his speed, but this EGO doesn't affect any other allies. Either they're planning to release the series of these EGOs with basically the same or similar effects for other Tremor identities that have self tremor (having it for Faust would be nice, just please don't replace Fluid Sac), but other than that, so far it also seems kinda... mid in my opinion. Again, unless I'm missing something and I can't read, but I've read it several times to be pretty sure that I don't have those issues
Sinclair seems to be a clasher/dps ID, I'm betting he gonna has high skill power and not be a rupture count god cuz I doubt PM is willing to give like +3 count to every skill of his. Reads like a debuffer 00 with 000 skill numbers tbh, especially if his skill consumes count still. Not to say he will be bad, just bad in full rupture team, even warming the bench Talisman is just that good 💀
Talisman sinclair has only one use case and is speed run single stage bosses in 2-3 turns using him outside that need a lot of resets that where killied when pm introduced chain battle and multiple stages. If this sinclair is like rodya he will pack a punch even without rapture and we can strategize on bringing other char on from becnh. Rapture should be viewed as a plus but not really the main theme of this id.
Ironic and baffling to me my least favorite sinner is getting a filler ID of my least favorite archetype on my birthday. Hopefully that means the actual day of is going to be lit or I'm in trouble.
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I think you missed that the Heath ego converts tremor on himself, not on the target
The king of rupture sits on his throne, unwavering.
The king in bench
*sits on his bench
This nerd dude
He is bound to reign alone atop his solitary throne
@@nobLTheProphet he got them bandages of the king in bench (talismans)
2:51 He applies the Tremor - Clockwinding to himself not the enemy. It doesn't help ally tremor application.
It does tho, because the self tremor gets transfered to enemy units
@@enter6400 Eh? Where does it say that? Unless you're assuming that the enemy tremor is gonna convert to clockwinding every time you inflict extra tremor, which would be horrible.
@@mccrow4561if you properly read it you would realize that tremor clockwinding is a unique form of tremor which acts as a buff rather than something you want to burst
its purpose is that it reduces self tremor count in order to inflict bonus tremor with your tremor inflicting coins
plus some bonus speed on top
@@yesno4326 Yes, it's a buff. That's why I said that converting enemy tremor into it would be bad (also because it would paint over Reverb and the other tremors).
When looking at the new kit this morning, the SECOND I read "Defense Level Down" my eyes immediately rolled into the back of their head and my first thought was: "dead upon arrival."
And to those copeing saying "but Rupture Count!" Here's what it'll be: 1(2 on condition) Count on S1, 4 on condition S2 [after burning 3 with the attack], 3(4 on condition) on S3. IF it's actually different, then feel free to correct me after his release. But let's not kid ourselves here.
@@Shadow6OOso basically rupture count positive in any case? Pack it, I'll immediately shard him, better than talisman (I'm not speedrunner, I just want a comfortable team and this Sinclair feels like perfect addition)
@@ryomintotalisman sinclair is still the best, his bench passive is outrageously powerful.
@ryominto Rupture Count (at best, also never using S2) neutral without conditional and just barely positive on conditional (15+ Courier Trunk, same as Rodion) and 100% Rupture NEGATIVE if you have 15+potency and 3+count.
The main reason that Rodion is good on specifically Rupture teams is her conditional of not spending any Rupture with her attacks. This Sinclair takes a look at that and goes: what if I not only replaced the best Rupture support in the game, but also still wasted Rupture on attack, even when I can't apply it back anymore?
@@ryominto Basically rupture count positive only in NOT rupture gang. Otherwise, he is Sloshing Ishmael in disguise for rupture
The Sinclair seems to Setup for the Condition but PJM is to scared to go overboard. So they had to add something to him so he doesn't put Rupture to like 15 Count. My Guess is that he Caps its around 5 - 8 Rupture Count so he helps to fullfill the other Conditionals. Otherwise Talisman Sinclair will just be better.
the only way he’ll ever escape the shadow of talisman would be that the exact conditional to start being count negative would be way higher (20/5 at least), maybe this time he just fires off a shit ton of count then actually pisses off while the rest of the crew starts working to maintain that stack, otherwise there’s going to be memes like “deyvat means nine because it takes nine turns for him to be useful in rupture”
Cool heath ego ngl. But I though it would be for Greg since. The arm thing
Aww, arm buddies
Yeah but Greg doesn't have any Tremor IDs right now so it would be a little annoying
@@Dstryrrhe technically does, its just that rosebanner was designed to be a hybrid between rupture and tremor which just makes him really awkward for actually being used for either
@@yesno4326"technically" except the only skill he has that applies tremor is his skill 2
even his passive is just "apply rupture on targets with tremor"
9clair will only be able to compete with talisman if he's extremely count positive pre conditionals (+2 or +3 per skill). Then he can maybe offer an alt rupture playstyle of stacking a lot of count and retreating once the conditional is reached. Otherwise he'll be an md/unfocused encounter warrior only
the new tremor type is on self, so heath is the only one who will get it not the opponent
WELP. Sinclair does have count on everything. Thats the only plus.
Clockwinding only applies to HEATHCLIFF and not other allies, and since Heathcliff doesn't have any self-tremor IDs it's effectiveness will be limited, BUT it will synergise with Holiday so that's something to note.
DevyatSinclair's passive gives himself shield not an ally, and gives clash power to allies on retreat, not on himself.
My wild Guess: Sinclair rupture count/potency application is quite high to where he could reach the 15x3 conditional by turn 3 maximum very easily, then you retreat and swap with Devyat Rodion to DPS the target down. Some would ask why do that when Talsiman can help you get the threshold easily by turn 1-3, but as fights get longer and bosses purge status on phase changes it could make rupture more consistent without having to reset endlessly every time Rodion takes 5 hp damage (making lantern don hog the talsimans instead).
The Reality Probably: -1/-1/+2 count and 2 potency application, and we question why they even bothered making this.
New sinclair is gonna be good generalist id but super not worth on rupture because talisclair is that good
He is competing for nclair spot as a generalist blunt dps, while competing for cinq sinclair spot if we are talking about consistency and high clashing. Yeah his number better be broken, cuz competition is ROUGH
@-TranangKhoa-A-iz3rm he's also competing with dawnclair for retreating Sinclair id
I hope this new sinclair give an outrageous amount of count, cause talisman provides all the potency for the team and competing with that is hard.
I think the Haste on Devyat Sinclair is used for a first attack Overclocked Lantern, Inflicting +3 Count on +3 enemies
The EGO only applies tremmor to himself, not allies
I feel like the way to play sinclair is gonna be putting him at the first stage of the fight to apply rupture count, and then retreating him into rodion to maintain it (probably still suck though)
mmm, the only way i can see this working is:
if the on use effect changes mid coin.
ie: enemy has 3 count, he has 3 count threshold. coin 1 consumes 1 count, lowering count to 2, allowing the 2nd coin to lose the conditional, allowing him to basically inflict more count/potency. with most conditionals at coin 2-3, i can see it working that way.
i've seen some on use effect working that way (ie: multicrack faust skill 3 having +3 on 0 potency, 1st coin gains 1 potency, next coin is +4).
Unfortunately, that won't happen. The multicrack thing is a property of each individual coin, Sinclair's is an "on use" effect of the entire skill. Still pretty sure that he's going to be good.
On Use effects never change mid-skill. Only when the On Use modifier is removed, like in Captain Ishmael’s S3, can the skill change mid-use.
So we're getting a self tremor ID for Heathcliff in the future, maybe the one coming this walpurgisnacht?
This EGO is horrible for self-tremor ids. It consumes a ton of tremor on self to apply more to enemies.
@@azalakhir918which would mean we would probably have an id who has self tremor gain but doesnt use it like your standard charge ids
like maybe something like a mix between the charge potency mechanics and rospanner rodion's passive
like gaining buffs or extra effects once a certain amount of tremor count on self reduces
Devyat Sinclair looks depressing so far, we really do need numbers, and I mean HUGE NUMBERS for him to be saved.
Heath's EGO looks interesting, I kind of missed the part where Oufi Heath is ass, but I just run him (and the Tremor team in general) only for MD farming, and I have a "7* Tremor Souls" (*not really 7) team. Another thing that I've either missed or I just don't get it is how it helps the team. Sure, it does add and convert Heath's Tremor counts into the ones that boost his speed, but this EGO doesn't affect any other allies. Either they're planning to release the series of these EGOs with basically the same or similar effects for other Tremor identities that have self tremor (having it for Faust would be nice, just please don't replace Fluid Sac), but other than that, so far it also seems kinda... mid in my opinion. Again, unless I'm missing something and I can't read, but I've read it several times to be pretty sure that I don't have those issues
iirc oufi heath doesnt gain tremor on self
This just cements seeing Deyvat ID's and instantly knowing its mid.
Devyat Rodya is anything but mid though? She's strong.
@@oatmeal3919 100%
@@oatmeal3919 💯
Devyat Rodion is one of the strongest ID's in the game???
@@GameBooAdvancePlus Yep.
maybe they will raise the treshold for the condition.
maybe from 15/3 to 15/6.
or maybe i’m just copium myself
Sinclair seems to be a clasher/dps ID, I'm betting he gonna has high skill power and not be a rupture count god cuz I doubt PM is willing to give like +3 count to every skill of his.
Reads like a debuffer 00 with 000 skill numbers tbh, especially if his skill consumes count still. Not to say he will be bad, just bad in full rupture team, even warming the bench Talisman is just that good 💀
Talisman sinclair has only one use case and is speed run single stage bosses in 2-3 turns using him outside that need a lot of resets that where killied when pm introduced chain battle and multiple stages. If this sinclair is like rodya he will pack a punch even without rapture and we can strategize on bringing other char on from becnh. Rapture should be viewed as a plus but not really the main theme of this id.
surely the point of Sinclair is too apply a bunch of count at the start of the fight, then retreat
Dead on arrival😭😭
Ironic and baffling to me my least favorite sinner is getting a filler ID of my least favorite archetype on my birthday. Hopefully that means the actual day of is going to be lit or I'm in trouble.
Easiest skip ever! Boxes for players right now should be saved for Sancho and picking up whatever they dont have in Walpurgis already
don't blame devclair for being disappointing, blame taliclair for being way too good at count (JOKE)
talisman this talisman that, rupture doomers when new rupture sinclair doesnt add 90 rupture count. people tend to forget the devyat gimmick
Heck I'm late