His point about feeling like he had nothing to do after he got his ultimate clears is why I love XIV. I don't want to grind forever. I don't want to always have to play to a meta. And truth be told, raiders in xiv are NOTHING compared to the Housing community and RP community
Having nothing to do kinda sucks, tbh... and having no one thing motivating you to do anything at all is worse. If you can't make your own fun in those situations, you can't even play the game.
@@gonwyte8534 Then you move on. That's the thing a lot of folks try to criticize any game with but simply put you move on. I personally find a lot to do in XIV and there's even more content coming out soon. XIV has tons of things to do
@@ninnoofthelastunicorn2693 i haven't played ffXIV , so I can't say anything about the game itself (obviously). But my comment did have Guild Wars 2 in particular In Mind. The game has a lot to do - but bevause most of it serves no purpose other than for story, distraction or "Hey, I did X thing", I quit in 2016, attempted multiple times to come back and just could not continue to play it. PvP kept me playing until it continued to exist in a bad state, after that it was just R.I.P. to me. I don't like the idea of "moving on" when it comes to MMORPGs, because that's what I do with Single player games. I play MMORPGs for the huge scale, the time investment, and the social experience. Oddly enough, the reason "Meta" exists is the same reason that modern MMORPGs are designed the way they are: Convenience and Efficiency.
Yeah, its like play while is fun to you and then wait for the next update that you know when is coming. Its not like in ffxiv you have almost a year of content drought. Also the point that he likes to wait 3 months to get a loot stopped being relevant for me in current wow. Yeah I liked the rush of dopamine of some items, but then you know it will be irrelevant probably next patch, and I don't have the brain of a gambler. I understand that is just how some brain work in a reward system, and that's ok.
@@Ranhirok it's important to keep the overworld in an MMORPG relevent for that very reason. With clever design choices you can easily produce alternative content that is both rewarding and worth experiencing outside of the endgame. Guild Wars 2 tried to do that, and IMO they failed. It wasn't designed to be played like that. It was designed for entertainment in purely short bursts - akin to the old Lunch-break browser RPG Adventurequest for anyone that can remember that old fossil. I have to feel like not only most of what I do in an MMORPG has to have a clear, grounded purpose, but I also feel like the overworld itself has to have a clear, grounded purpose. Lots of games have stories to tell, but so much of the Overworld holds little value to players simply because of things like dungeon finders and poor horizontal-based itemization systems like what Guild Wars 2 has.
i have a friend in FFXIV and he bought hundreds of millions of gold, he did not get banned or anything, i might even say RMT is somehow even encouraged in some scummy underhanded way in ff, every player i met in limsa was pretty much a paypal legend... it's so rampant it's a joke
It’s kind of plain common sense to know why there are people who think FF devs don’t listen: because there are people that think FF devs do listen. Everyone that’s not in that boat and wants the same things and wants them done that way will feel like what they want is constantly ignored. Everyone knows the truth that you can’t please everyone. There will never ever be a game with a large player base where there isn’t a group of people royally pissed at some decisions.
This guy got banned on one of his channels for doing something dumb with FF14, nothing to see here folks this is a person whos morals left him a longtime ago, and a addict who does what most addicts do , go back to their addiction.I played WOW for 14 years and FF14 for 1 year i can honestly say i feel like a different person playing FF14 compared to WOW i am healthier, happier, and most important i feel like a giving money to a company thats deserves it which gives me peace of mind.Savix is a well known WOW addict and in the end he will pay for it 100%,because WOW is designed by scumbags who want to suck the life out of you and make you spend every waking hour on their game.Call a hotline Savix and please think about what type of person you want to be in life.
Well to any MMO player... please recognize the flaw in your game and make noise about it to the dev. Recognizing the flaw and talking to the dev about it, discussing it can make your game better for you and for everyone. Don't blindly defend and think your game is perfect. Cuz there may be a case where the dev think some of the flaw is ok due to no one talk about it. Don't let your game die due to ignorance. I experienced it and let me tell you its not nice. But also remember that devs are human mistake are made and can be fix.
I think the Raiders that chilled with him corrupted him. I once watched a raider only and they were just running around their house in ff14. It was honestly depressing and they are always complaining.
I haven't wat h this video yet but I've read the comments, most of which seem to be talking about "what is worth your time,what is healthy, what isn't" etc. Tbh, the only one thing that MMOs had over normal single player games in the past was the huge scale of an open world game combined with a deep, strategic and social role-playing experience where most of what you did in some small way was a building block toward the construction of a personal castle, that 'castle' being a foundation of shared experiemces with friends and the investment toward an absolutely monumental undertaking that took huge amounts of time build. The point was to provide the player with a home, away from home. Modern MMORPGs are not like this, anymore. You can't get that from a modern game, because these new games are designed to be convenient (...or manipulative) to the point where playing them at all is basically pointless because the experiences they give you are the same experiemces you could get from playing something as simple as Monster Hunter or even old Diablo 2. You have no incentive to keep yourself in-the-know or involved because it's over as quick as it begins most of the time. IMO, Monster Hunter just does most of that better. MMORPGs aren't really MMORPGs anymore, IMO. They are no longer designed to reward players for time or passion, only for convenience/Money. I'd rather play Monster Hunter World over pretty much any of these games now, seeing as how that's the only experience I know I can expect.
The real problem and question is : Why grind anyway ? Grind is not fun ITS NOT FUN , grind is real life annoyance that's the opposite of what a games should be period. Now YES you can make grind fun and useful but then it's not "grind" anymore it's a smooth process period. Just look at any old mmo and freaking disguing wow and blizzard. Even their palyerbase aren't happy about that and the one who pretend to enjoy ruining their lfie are a minority and surely with life or priorities issues.
Want to find funny is savix is saying how there isn't anything to do in Final Fantasy and we're literally getting a patch that's adding more than a WoW expansion in the next week
Tbh it feel boring to always hear about this one and only NOW after that all streamer came in meanwhile the game existed for hundred of years and that maybe MAYBE there is some others good exemple out there at a minima. But to be fair some people probably aren't thinking that far and are just mindless ghouls for sure.
The loot hype argument or point of view is scary to me. Basically he's saying gambling for loot is far more interesting cause it keeps you in the game trying to get it. Basically bosses are pinatas with random loot and that's good because it makes people play longer to get said loot? This doesn't make any sense to me until he talks about it from a streamer perspective where it's about retaining people watching to see you get the loot. At thge end of the day, random loot like in WoW always felt weird to me all the way back to the first 40 man where basically few people would get rewarded per run and it would create crazy drama and fucked up shit like people leaving guilds once they got what they wanted. I dunno, I'll never understand that addiction to Wow and mmo like it that don't respect your time.
The vast majority of "grind" isn't made for healthyness it's exactly the same sick mindset that mobile game have to see another form of crap exemple. that's the big problem and why it's wrong and can be good. Also clasic rpg like ff or pokemon who ever enjoyed re doing 100 times the same battle agaisnt the same mobs on the same zone for freaking leveling 1 or 2 levels ? No one ever that's why people play emulators and frekaing speed up things. Or that creators make an elipse.
Don't really consider a story skip and level skip "pay to win." What exactly are you winning? Leveling is pretty easy in FFXIV as you get it for virtually everything you do. You don't have to endlessly kill things to do it. The story is also one of the biggest draws of the game. It's first and foremost a Final Fantasy RPG. You don't need gil or buy any currency or materials to upgrade gear. You can't even buy the tomestones necessary to do so. Higher level gear alts are through drops from savage and the like. Unless you consider buying some cosmetics 'pay to win', it really doesn't exist. I guess some people might buy gil, but this game is not gil intensive at all so I can't see why anyone would even need to do that. FFXI was a very gil intensive game, but FFXIV is the exact opposite. What is true is that competitive PvP is not FFXIV's strong point. If that's your life's blood, there are other games that do that better.
@@Mald_Master In what way is FF P2W exactly? Buying gil (which is pointless anyway) or carries is against ToS and can get you permabanned. Meanwhile in WoW and LA it's perfectly legal and in fact encouraged, which has completely destroyed those games (along with the WoW token in WoW's case) Saying that FF and WoW are both P2W is a massive cope, it's like saying that you can buy a gun in Europe just as easily as in America because the black market exists
@@anti-macro pretty funny that you think carries are TOS, if you read it clearly, it states you can't advertise that you SELL carries. BUT you can advertise to BUY them. As in "i'm looking for help to clear "-insert whatever-" for 20m gil. Even the fucking auction house is p2w in ff holy shit, the glam is paywalled on the shop, mounts are p2w... jesus christ man get a grip on reality. The amount of people that i know got carried i can't even count...
@@Mald_Master Carries for real money are *most definitely* against TOS, while they're the norm in WoW. You can "buy" carries with gil you've legitimately earned yourself (which is perfectly fine) but to do so as you said you need to advertise the fact you're buying a carry, and the whole datacenter can see you're a boostie. Buying gil or carries with real money will result in a ban. The fact that "you know people" that got away with it means nothing. People get banned by the truckload and Square enix reports the numbers regularly. Auction house is P2W? How? Because you can have more retainers selling stuff at the same time? In what way does that "give you power" and is not just convenience? Mounts are P2W? How? There's one mount that gives you 5% extra ground speed, which is basically useless since flying is much faster and easy to unlock in FFXIV. You can get the same (or better) effect by getting riding maps in-game, but nobody does because it's worthless in 99% of cases. C'mon, you're reaching and you know it. You're comparing convenience stuff in FFXIV to being able to literally buy any piece of gear, title, earnable mount, etc. in WoW completely within the ToS by just swiping a credit card. Please.
@@anti-macro the only one who is reaching is you, cause you are already backtracking on your stuff. If someone can make 400 auctions a day vs someone with a max of 40... there is a big difference thats way past convenience, you are already PAYING for the EXPANSION AND THE SUBSCRIBTION, this is classic P2W, a normal player can make like this at most a few million while a whale can make billions, stop coping man, FF is just as BAD as WoW and in this case EVEN WORSE. This is something F2P games like LA do, this is one of the most disgusting things i ever saw in any game. Being able to buy mounts for like 10 people where you can get gill just for flying people around is another JOKE of this game. Try actually gettin multiseater mounts like this in the game, oh you can't? Yeah can't be p2w! Buying a character boost gives you ingame gil too? Did you never buy a boost? This is also a way of acquiring money, is it a bad investment? Yes. But does the game stop you from doing it? Nope. Stop being so blind and open your eyes, FF, WoW and LA are all P2W.
His point about feeling like he had nothing to do after he got his ultimate clears is why I love XIV. I don't want to grind forever. I don't want to always have to play to a meta.
And truth be told, raiders in xiv are NOTHING compared to the Housing community and RP community
Having nothing to do kinda sucks, tbh... and having no one thing motivating you to do anything at all is worse. If you can't make your own fun in those situations, you can't even play the game.
@@gonwyte8534 Then you move on. That's the thing a lot of folks try to criticize any game with but simply put you move on.
I personally find a lot to do in XIV and there's even more content coming out soon. XIV has tons of things to do
@@ninnoofthelastunicorn2693 i haven't played ffXIV , so I can't say anything about the game itself (obviously). But my comment did have Guild Wars 2 in particular In Mind. The game has a lot to do - but bevause most of it serves no purpose other than for story, distraction or "Hey, I did X thing", I quit in 2016, attempted multiple times to come back and just could not continue to play it. PvP kept me playing until it continued to exist in a bad state, after that it was just R.I.P. to me.
I don't like the idea of "moving on" when it comes to MMORPGs, because that's what I do with Single player games. I play MMORPGs for the huge scale, the time investment, and the social experience.
Oddly enough, the reason "Meta" exists is the same reason that modern MMORPGs are designed the way they are: Convenience and Efficiency.
Yeah, its like play while is fun to you and then wait for the next update that you know when is coming. Its not like in ffxiv you have almost a year of content drought. Also the point that he likes to wait 3 months to get a loot stopped being relevant for me in current wow. Yeah I liked the rush of dopamine of some items, but then you know it will be irrelevant probably next patch, and I don't have the brain of a gambler. I understand that is just how some brain work in a reward system, and that's ok.
@@Ranhirok it's important to keep the overworld in an MMORPG relevent for that very reason. With clever design choices you can easily produce alternative content that is both rewarding and worth experiencing outside of the endgame. Guild Wars 2 tried to do that, and IMO they failed. It wasn't designed to be played like that. It was designed for entertainment in purely short bursts - akin to the old Lunch-break browser RPG Adventurequest for anyone that can remember that old fossil.
I have to feel like not only most of what I do in an MMORPG has to have a clear, grounded purpose, but I also feel like the overworld itself has to have a clear, grounded purpose. Lots of games have stories to tell, but so much of the Overworld holds little value to players simply because of things like dungeon finders and poor horizontal-based itemization systems like what Guild Wars 2 has.
40:00 some masochist shit ngl.
i disagree with savix saying that everygame its P2W, there is a clear difference between a game that keeps RMT it in check vs one that sanctions it.
Agreed. Its just a way to cope because wow sanctions it. Less people do RMT if it is illegal.
i have a friend in FFXIV and he bought hundreds of millions of gold, he did not get banned or anything, i might even say RMT is somehow even encouraged in some scummy underhanded way in ff, every player i met in limsa was pretty much a paypal legend... it's so rampant it's a joke
You know what, Savix? I'm just glad you played FFXIV and enjoyed it for what it was. Thank you. PPC.
It’s kind of plain common sense to know why there are people who think FF devs don’t listen: because there are people that think FF devs do listen. Everyone that’s not in that boat and wants the same things and wants them done that way will feel like what they want is constantly ignored. Everyone knows the truth that you can’t please everyone. There will never ever be a game with a large player base where there isn’t a group of people royally pissed at some decisions.
I think a FFXIV RP Video would be awesome :D
Search for savix opens the best rp restaurant, it's on his playlist channel, we did a few RP videos
This guy got banned on one of his channels for doing something dumb with FF14, nothing to see here folks this is a person whos morals left him a longtime ago, and a addict who does what most addicts do , go back to their addiction.I played WOW for 14 years and FF14 for 1 year i can honestly say i feel like a different person playing FF14 compared to WOW i am healthier, happier, and most important i feel like a giving money to a company thats deserves it which gives me peace of mind.Savix is a well known WOW addict and in the end he will pay for it 100%,because WOW is designed by scumbags who want to suck the life out of you and make you spend every waking hour on their game.Call a hotline Savix and please think about what type of person you want to be in life.
Well to any MMO player... please recognize the flaw in your game and make noise about it to the dev. Recognizing the flaw and talking to the dev about it, discussing it can make your game better for you and for everyone.
Don't blindly defend and think your game is perfect. Cuz there may be a case where the dev think some of the flaw is ok due to no one talk about it.
Don't let your game die due to ignorance. I experienced it and let me tell you its not nice.
But also remember that devs are human mistake are made and can be fix.
I think the Raiders that chilled with him corrupted him. I once watched a raider only and they were just running around their house in ff14. It was honestly depressing and they are always complaining.
I haven't wat h this video yet but I've read the comments, most of which seem to be talking about "what is worth your time,what is healthy, what isn't" etc.
Tbh, the only one thing that MMOs had over normal single player games in the past was the huge scale of an open world game combined with a deep, strategic and social role-playing experience where most of what you did in some small way was a building block toward the construction of a personal castle, that 'castle' being a foundation of shared experiemces with friends and the investment toward an absolutely monumental undertaking that took huge amounts of time build. The point was to provide the player with a home, away from home.
Modern MMORPGs are not like this, anymore. You can't get that from a modern game, because these new games are designed to be convenient (...or manipulative) to the point where playing them at all is basically pointless because the experiences they give you are the same experiemces you could get from playing something as simple as Monster Hunter or even old Diablo 2. You have no incentive to keep yourself in-the-know or involved because it's over as quick as it begins most of the time. IMO, Monster Hunter just does most of that better.
MMORPGs aren't really MMORPGs anymore, IMO. They are no longer designed to reward players for time or passion, only for convenience/Money. I'd rather play Monster Hunter World over pretty much any of these games now, seeing as how that's the only experience I know I can expect.
The real problem and question is : Why grind anyway ? Grind is not fun ITS NOT FUN , grind is real life annoyance that's the opposite of what a games should be period.
Now YES you can make grind fun and useful but then it's not "grind" anymore it's a smooth process period. Just look at any old mmo and freaking disguing wow and blizzard. Even their palyerbase aren't happy about that and the one who pretend to enjoy ruining their lfie are a minority and surely with life or priorities issues.
Want to find funny is savix is saying how there isn't anything to do in Final Fantasy and we're literally getting a patch that's adding more than a WoW expansion in the next week
Yeah dude, can't wait for the new emote! The amount of cool times i can use it during erp is gonna be off the hook!
For a guy who played a shitton of FFXIV he seems kinda dense on the literal core philosophy of the game. PFFFT.
Always funny how the chat spergs out when FF14 is even mentioned. Did WoW really mindbreak these guys that much?
Tbh it feel boring to always hear about this one and only NOW after that all streamer came in meanwhile the game existed for hundred of years and that maybe MAYBE there is some others good exemple out there at a minima. But to be fair some people probably aren't thinking that far and are just mindless ghouls for sure.
You should know that this community kinda actively playing all 3 games and that video was pure copium.
The loot hype argument or point of view is scary to me. Basically he's saying gambling for loot is far more interesting cause it keeps you in the game trying to get it. Basically bosses are pinatas with random loot and that's good because it makes people play longer to get said loot? This doesn't make any sense to me until he talks about it from a streamer perspective where it's about retaining people watching to see you get the loot.
At thge end of the day, random loot like in WoW always felt weird to me all the way back to the first 40 man where basically few people would get rewarded per run and it would create crazy drama and fucked up shit like people leaving guilds once they got what they wanted.
I dunno, I'll never understand that addiction to Wow and mmo like it that don't respect your time.
The vast majority of "grind" isn't made for healthyness it's exactly the same sick mindset that mobile game have to see another form of crap exemple. that's the big problem and why it's wrong and can be good. Also clasic rpg like ff or pokemon who ever enjoyed re doing 100 times the same battle agaisnt the same mobs on the same zone for freaking leveling 1 or 2 levels ? No one ever that's why people play emulators and frekaing speed up things. Or that creators make an elipse.
Don't really consider a story skip and level skip "pay to win." What exactly are you winning? Leveling is pretty easy in FFXIV as you get it for virtually everything you do. You don't have to endlessly kill things to do it. The story is also one of the biggest draws of the game. It's first and foremost a Final Fantasy RPG. You don't need gil or buy any currency or materials to upgrade gear. You can't even buy the tomestones necessary to do so. Higher level gear alts are through drops from savage and the like. Unless you consider buying some cosmetics 'pay to win', it really doesn't exist. I guess some people might buy gil, but this game is not gil intensive at all so I can't see why anyone would even need to do that. FFXI was a very gil intensive game, but FFXIV is the exact opposite. What is true is that competitive PvP is not FFXIV's strong point. If that's your life's blood, there are other games that do that better.
This guy's copium tanks must be pumping out nothing but fumes at this point, damn.
wow is pay to win what copium are you on?
Yeah wow is p2w? So is ff and la?
@@Mald_Master In what way is FF P2W exactly? Buying gil (which is pointless anyway) or carries is against ToS and can get you permabanned. Meanwhile in WoW and LA it's perfectly legal and in fact encouraged, which has completely destroyed those games (along with the WoW token in WoW's case)
Saying that FF and WoW are both P2W is a massive cope, it's like saying that you can buy a gun in Europe just as easily as in America because the black market exists
@@anti-macro pretty funny that you think carries are TOS, if you read it clearly, it states you can't advertise that you SELL carries. BUT you can advertise to BUY them. As in "i'm looking for help to clear "-insert whatever-" for 20m gil.
Even the fucking auction house is p2w in ff holy shit, the glam is paywalled on the shop, mounts are p2w... jesus christ man get a grip on reality.
The amount of people that i know got carried i can't even count...
@@Mald_Master Carries for real money are *most definitely* against TOS, while they're the norm in WoW. You can "buy" carries with gil you've legitimately earned yourself (which is perfectly fine) but to do so as you said you need to advertise the fact you're buying a carry, and the whole datacenter can see you're a boostie. Buying gil or carries with real money will result in a ban. The fact that "you know people" that got away with it means nothing. People get banned by the truckload and Square enix reports the numbers regularly.
Auction house is P2W? How? Because you can have more retainers selling stuff at the same time? In what way does that "give you power" and is not just convenience?
Mounts are P2W? How? There's one mount that gives you 5% extra ground speed, which is basically useless since flying is much faster and easy to unlock in FFXIV. You can get the same (or better) effect by getting riding maps in-game, but nobody does because it's worthless in 99% of cases.
C'mon, you're reaching and you know it. You're comparing convenience stuff in FFXIV to being able to literally buy any piece of gear, title, earnable mount, etc. in WoW completely within the ToS by just swiping a credit card. Please.
@@anti-macro the only one who is reaching is you, cause you are already backtracking on your stuff.
If someone can make 400 auctions a day vs someone with a max of 40... there is a big difference thats way past convenience, you are already PAYING for the EXPANSION AND THE SUBSCRIBTION, this is classic P2W, a normal player can make like this at most a few million while a whale can make billions, stop coping man, FF is just as BAD as WoW and in this case EVEN WORSE. This is something F2P games like LA do, this is one of the most disgusting things i ever saw in any game.
Being able to buy mounts for like 10 people where you can get gill just for flying people around is another JOKE of this game. Try actually gettin multiseater mounts like this in the game, oh you can't? Yeah can't be p2w!
Buying a character boost gives you ingame gil too? Did you never buy a boost? This is also a way of acquiring money, is it a bad investment? Yes. But does the game stop you from doing it? Nope.
Stop being so blind and open your eyes, FF, WoW and LA are all P2W.
man this video was so full of copium holy... i nearly overdosed