Neil DeGrasse Tyson Podcast Turns Into HEATED Debate
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2023
- Destiny reacts to Neil DeGrasse Tyson's debate on the PBD Podcast
Date: 10 Jan, 2022
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You should watch the episode with Kyle Kulinski on PBD
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Destiny as a Veteran that left the army because of the Vac I'll tell you the vaccines we recieve at basic training were tested for MORE than 9 months I'm not willingly to take a vaccine that's forced on us with lest than a year of testing. That's how me and MANY of my brothers that departed felt about it.
debate Marcus Aurelius
I hate that the vaccine became a political debate.
a hurricane became political during that time too. SMH it the weather and disease, forces of nature.
but you know mother nature is clearly a lib
Kind of what happens when you make it mandatory for a lot of the country. Should've just let the facts of the vaccine prove itself.
It didn't though... It was the political reaction to the pandemic that became a political debate, not the vaccine. Cranks who don't want to be vaccinated have always existed, what is new now however is trying to close down the entire world economy and getting people fired for disagreeing.
Anything science related for the foreseeable future. If 90% of scientists agreed on anything, skeptics won’t go for it
Keep your mind open but don’t let your brain fall out. Someone apparently never told the anti-vaxxers the second part.
No random streamer drama? Not redpill drama? A rarity that is deeply welcomed back
dont jinx it
True
I mean, Steven talking about drama and predicting everything correctly.
Here it's regurgitating the same topic that was settled 2 years ago!
Oh yeah this is high quality react-andy content we know Destiny is capable of
@@Vulpes_Shinbi god I wish it was settled
"I am a stats guy. I like baseball. So my question is why did AOC come to Florida on vacation?" This sentence is a pretty good TLDR of the disconnect between these two speakers.
i love baseball im a stats guy. why did the NBA have their finals in Florida?
That actual rat brained mfer is proof you don't have to be smart to be rich. Meritocracy is a myth
This is a good example of how a conservative thinkers' brain functions. Specifically that it does not function.
Because they want to impose their draconian policies on the ppl they control but they still want to go on vacation in paradise…
@@__-bz7wh I like the part where you didn't claim to be qualified enough to debate the guy you don't agree with. Maybe you should become the person you expect him to debate.
I always love the people that say “I’m a stats guy, I watch baseball” it will never not make me laugh
Neil is clearly a man’s name. Respect.
But Destiny is a woman's name.
Mr Pickles... checks out also. Carry on.
miss pickles
BAAAAEEEETA! 😂
Tyson is clearly a chicken’s name. Delicious
Leave it to PBD to say he's a stats guy only to follow up with anecdotes lmao
LOL
I like PBD sometimes but damn he’s been very anecdotal lately look at andrew tate arrest reaction
PBD is the ideologue here, arguing from a libertarian framework.
The dude runs a Pyramid Scheme idk how he has such a big following LOL
@@luck9837 Still nothing beats social security as the biggest pyramid scheme ever made
I don’t listen to Destiny because he’s the smartest man in the room. I listen to Destiny because he thinks he’s the smartest person in the room.
based
I have to admit, I thought this was a "is a girl's name" setup. 😄
Hahahaha me too
He is the smartest man in the room. Here he's the only man in the room.
Honestly considering how much smarter destiny usually is than everyone else in the room I feel pretty confident in saying that he almost never flexes on people and peacocks his intelligence.
The crazy thing is that he wasn't strictly defending the vaccine, he was defending the scientific process as he always does.
Scientific process is bought and paid for
That process blatantly failed because people, officials and other scientists are dummies and both don't understand science or risk.
What part of the scientific process includes the social contract?
@@douglasede9300 the desicion making process
... which was thrown overboard in it's entirety when it came to the development of and messaging around the vaccines. If you think any part of that was up to the usual intellectual and ethical standards of science, you're a fool.
bro wouldn’t know what an NFT is if it slapped him in his command line
Salama lil buddy. Miss him so much 🤣
Love it. Keep the memes flowing.
TECHNOLOGIST
i still have sinner's trip to africa bbc video on my playlist to pump iron to.
That's the first Destiny vid I watched and hahahahahaha
"I'm a statistic guy." 10 seconds later: "look at where NBA hosts their game. That's a statistic". AMAZING
The politicization over the last 2 years followed previously by AOC 😭😭😭😭😭 god it's like they just straight up lie.
The pandemic has made it very clear that most people don't understand how they reach a conclusion. The amount of people who don't realize they're engaging in motivated or emotional reasoning is mind boggling.
Guy only mention NBA and blm to race charge the debate
@@Loengrinn pandemic? We have been lamenting these propped since at least 2016….
“Trump is a Russian agent!”
“Black Lives Matter!”
It’s just the latest idiocy…..
Actions speak louder than words, bucko!
Imagine being stupid enough to be in the military and then complaining about being forced to do things
One thing I find irritating about PBD is that he'll make these blanket assertions as if they're throwaway comments then quickly try to move on with a "but...". It was nice to see Neil Degrasse Tyson's penchant of constant interrupting actually being used for the powers of good for once.
Gotta be infinitely skeptical to spite the libs
Those type of people are frustrating as hell to talk to.
all research no thinking
Every time liberals are forced to admit they don't believe in their own stated principles, the world becomes a better place.
@@Hooga89 Very nondescript and meaningless comment. Thank you
No its questioning the institutions who have lied to its citizens for half a century. Majority of Americans have blind trust both on L and R. If this was 2003 under Bush, the left would have been anti vaccine. NDT is full of shit and is nothing but a persona.
His chat is unironically "I'm not smart enough to know this so you must be wrong".
Too be fair, listening to destiny's description of mRNA vaccines he might as well be as dumb as his chat.
It really is fucked, we all have an enormous wealth of information through the internet at our fingertips. But it seems there will always be large amounts of people who systematically arrive at the opposite conclusions, it’s really depressing.
@@sumbigdumkunt they purposely don't look. A lot of people prefer remaining wilfully and blissfully ignorant of how they can do better, because that might mean doing something about it.
@@bibsp3556 shit ik im clapping myself with my dumbass anime pfp, but u saying that with a joker pic gives off sOcIeTy vibes lmao. I agree with u, just made me smile a bit
i think 80% of it is just his community trying to piss him off imo
this goes back to what neil first said , the person who wins the debate is the one who's more charismatic and connects with the audience better not necessarily the one with the facts
It's like if a software developer put together a large-scale application very quickly. They would say that it's tested and be certain there are no bugs (side effects). But any experienced engineer knows that things put together so quickly will not stand the test of time, meaning the vaccine looks very sus from an engineering perspective. Neil should understand that we should be skeptical of things built so quickly, people say "it works fine" all the time everywhere. He sounds like a speaker for a Dictator, he needs to tell the truth and say "The vaccine is the best solution we have. Based on the science we understand it should work fine, take it at your own risk".
That’s who wins the debate, according to the dummies. A reasonable person will see through that.
And here I thought winning a debate meant someone had the the more logically consistent arguments, huh. Guess it's about "facts" now.
Thinking a out wining or losing betads is low iq debates are for an exchange of ideas
@@robchrisaustinsteve the majority of people arent reasonable.
Like to point out that the mRNA isn’t the issue or what’s causing issues it’s the spike proteins. It’s been suggested in studies that the spike proteins are attaching to specific tissues (pericytes) found in the heart and other parts of the body. The spike proteins then can release chemicals that causing Inflammation after attaching to this tissue . It’s also suggested that they can also stay in the bloodstream after it detached from the mRNA. Other claims that the spike proteins are “pooling” in other areas of the body as well causing issues as well.
I would like to point out that the mRNA vaccine teaches your body to make the spike protein and doesn't stop future infection on top of that.
you get a whole hell of a lot more spike proteins in your body with the "natural immunity" route.
@@lucasorion the myocarditis and heart inflammation in healthy people is only happening as a result of vaccination, NOT covid infection. Additionally, antibody dependent enhancement has been shown to worsen the body's covid immune response effecitveness with each additional dose/boosters. For anybody who isn't old or highly at risk it doesn't make sense to get the vaccine, especially multiple times per year
I don’t think that’s true, why is their more? The issue isn’t how much their is it’s how your body deals with it, and how they interact with the body. The spike proteins you would get from just contracting Covid is different than the spike proteins we have in the vaccines, they are synthetic. Studies are showing that the lymphatic system isn’t removing these synthetic spike proteins as if it would with naturally accruing spike proteins. When we create these spike proteins we are kinda guessing as to their structure, we don’t know how they should be folded or if we even have them folded correctly. We simply understand a basic idea of structure and interaction between the spike proteins and cells. This is probably why the lymphatic system is having issues cleaning them up. The body has evolved millions of years with these viruses and their protein structors. we introduce something new to the body that has not naturally occurred before and we are seeing issues. What’s most interesting though is why is it only some people and not all having adverse reactions. Why are some minor and others major. Why are some not all all from what it seems. Could it be that some of these people already had clots and the inflammation from pooling is causing the small clots to become issue? Is the vaccine creating the clots and inflammation? This we don’t know.
@@ProFrybagmRNA vaccines produce spike proteins identical to the other ones because they literally use the same mechanism as COVID itself. Synthethic spike proteins are a thing, mRNA is another thing.
PBD: I’m a stats guy.
**gives nothing but anecdotes**
😂😂😂😂😂
@@Xoustus NGT "im a scientist"
*gives nothing but strawmen*
@@radfield6089 this ain’t it, chief
@@MrProofMan it is what it is, chief
@@radfield6089 what strawman?
Destiny is absolutely right about the military vaccines, honestly I have no idea what vaccines they gave me besides flu, anthrax and polio. God knows what else I have.
The difference is the military vaccines have been established for years,compared to a vaccine that was created in a couple of months..And the only reason these vaccine pushers are so debatable such as ""Destiny'" as millions of others was fear based in the moment=I took mines so you take yours and join me in this experiment.
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@@tcritt who knows man 🤷♂️😂
Autism :')
@@astrodude9146 omfg i laughed at this shit. Bruh you probably good, isn't the reason why they give military every vaccine is incase they get shipped to fucking Africa where every disease known or not known to man can still be found to this day?
Being vaccinated ensured that you have a lower viral load in the event that you do catch and transmit covid to someone else. What this means is that, statistically speaking, vaccinated people got less sick and passed on a lower viral load to other people, who in turn became less sick.
I'm vaxxed and agree with you, but oodles of articles quoted literally 100% efficacy rates. Pretending like pro-vax folx aren't a bit hyperbolic sometimes isn't true to reality.
I have a PhD in evolutionary genetics and in the middle of my second year as a professor at an R1. As a result, past two years have been filled with family, friends, and random people who know what I do asking me about these issues....it's just not worth it to keep engaging with the hardcore skeptics where we are now. Most are just looking to get a rise out of you.
I have my issues with how the science communication was handled during the pandemic, but ultimately a drop in the ocean looking at the situation as a whole. The whole thing was fucked the moment political leaders decided to make managing transmission and vaccination wedge issues.
explain how a vaccinated person can get infected if they're already vaccinated?
Tell me mr. PHD man.... is it safe to take poorly tested drugs like this vaccine was at the time?
@@ronswanson1410 Exactly the feeling.
Covid Vaccines became a political issue exactly because of the scientific communication. The politicians simply capitalized on preexisting resentment. This entire mess could have been avoided by less arrogant, more honest science communication
@@theurbanegentleman4550 I disagree. Almost from day 1, partisan tv networks were against lockdowns, wearing masks and eventually devolved into "fire Fauci"
absolute nightmare blunt rotation
Hahaha, V good comment
I love all the people that say "you're wrong or missing so much" but they can't say what that is.
Facts: never before seen method of vaccination, approved by the fda for general public MANDATE after a mere fraction of the level of scrutiny applied to any other drug, mind you that level of scrutiny as already critized for being too little. The amount of trials required to become accessible to the general public has been cut in the last few decades resulting in something like 60% of all drugs in America either being pulled from the market or having a black label warning ( like may cause cancer or fucking kidney failure etc ) within 10 years of being approved by the fda.
Ps the fda altered the way its funded around 10 yrs ago from being 100% publicly funded to getting the majority of its funding though an application fee paid by the pharmaceutical companies who develop the drugs. To top it all off its to be expected that virtually all of the fda board members and employees to have worked, or go on to work in the private sector, so in other words the companies that make the drugs that they are there to scrutinize.
I actually respect NDT more for trying to reason with these people. It’s very commendable for making the mere attempt. He handled it more patiently than most people of his intelligence level would be able to
It kind of reminds me of the Charlie Rose interview with Noam Chomsky
If you think Neil was doing something special here then the US is lost. This was just basic communicating of your points. How can we expect anyone to get along when putting in the minimum is lauded as something others wouldn’t be able to do?
@@cryptocaesar8972 it was basic communicating of fundamental elementary level points against a barrage of denialism and hubris. All done pretty patiently and articulately. If you don’t think it should be lauded, then by all means show us how you do better “crypto Caesar”
@@cryptocaesar8972 I think he meant neil's patience when interacting with these unintelligible beings was commendable. And.. the US has been lost for a long time.
It says something when literal third world country citizens are more intelligent about the vaccines than americans are.
@@rypoelk997 somebody call PBD because crypto ceasar bout to show us how it’s *DONE* !
It took me into my 30s to realize I cant just say things bluntly because Im factually correct. People unfortunately dont work like that.
Being blunt aka being an asshole.
Same here. Even doing tons of internet research won't get you to a 100% conclusion. It's why we have experts who study one specific thing their entire lives, to hopefully make society function better
@@Silverwidows Hate to burst your romantic bubble but most of the people who study one specific thing their entire lives at an academic level don't do it to make society function better they do it to have a job that pays better and has more status and privilege than working at Walmart full-time.
@@Hooga89 which is fine
@@Hooga89 the original comment was talking about why society has experts, not about the specific personal motivation for becoming an expert
Correction: Covid vaccines unequivocally do not stop spreading the virus. Doesn't matter how angry and frustrated you get at that fact, it's still a fact. Brought to you by someone who's triple jabbed. Happy to help.
Fact 1: The spread of the virus is based on the severity of your symptoms.
Fact 2: The vaccine helps reduce severe symptoms.
Conclusion: The vaccine helps reduce the spread of the virus.
You're right, in that the vaccines do not inherently prevent the spread. But it's clear that there is some benefit here based on other factors.
Condoms can't necessarily prevent pregnancy all the way..There is nothing in life that is 100%
I like how PDB let Kyle, Destiny and NDT dunk on them for 3 weeks straight. God speed.
Might as well invite all three of them onto the podcast all at once just to put the final nail in the coffin.
What is pdb
@@micahchildress554 Patrick Bet-David. The dude talking in the podcast
@@micahchildress554 a grifter from Iran
@@mrtambourineman6107 He's a hundred millionaire... What's the "grift"?
Using the NBA as an example of where it's safest.... This must be the guy who needs Ja Rule in a crisis
It’s simple - Orlando is second only to Las Vegas as a convention destination. Orlando had the infrastructure to meet the demands of the NBA bubble - lodging for players and personnel, places to practice and hold team meetings, existing space to hold games, etc. That’s why the NBA bubble was in Florida. Not because of Desantis or his handling of Covid. All of those spaces were unused during Covid, and were available for the Bubble.
its a good time to be an anti-vaxxer
Destinys worst takes are on vaccines. Its cringe to hear him talk about "the military takes vaccines, so whats the big deal with this vax?" As if their at all comparable.
A video not about redpill? Is this real life?
How do people consider that dumpster fire a documentary?? And is it true that the creator of that “documentary” is selling protein blocking necklaces?
Could be good for people that like to eat a lot of pre workout
@@dddaaa6965 i like drinking it, does it still apply? (genuinley curious)
@@mercurial1025 dunoo (not a scientist)
@Taotl it’s about money & political pressure (on both the left AND the right) it’s not that complicated. That doesn’t mean the government is conspiring against the country to kill them with sketchy vaccines, turn them gay and trap them inside forever😂 all politicians and government officials are greedy money hungry slobs, they’re not interested in killing off their customers (tax $)
Stupiders??
Is COVID more dangerous than the vaccine for my 10 yr old? My healthy 10 yr old
All the comments on that video are basically - " I used to like Neil until he disagreed with my baseless conspiracy theories. So now I feel smarter than him even with the education level of a 10yr old".
true
Get Neil on the stream Destiny.
Neil The Grass Titan is a strange man
Dwayne the rock Johnson vs Neil the grass titan
Vs Mike "the iron" tyson
@@Zgembo121 a silly little guy, if you will
@@theoldhermit2601 silly little guy, insanely smart and definitely has a mans name.
@@theoldhermit2601 just a wacky little jester
I thought I came up with that phrase. I guess multiple discovery is a thing.
I almost died from 1 shot of the Pfizer . Mini stroke- Peri myocarditis - global hypokenesis of the heart as a result (destroyed my heart pretty much) 30 year old extremely healthy male before that one and only jab. 12 months in bed. Used to work out/ do kickboxing/mma for 25 hours a week . Peak of the « reaction » was 4-5 months after the shot. I honestly love destiny and listen to him to almost reassure myself that I made the right choice and won’t get more damage in the longer term, but it is the biggest regret of my life. A lot of people around me got messed up by those « vaccines » aswell. Been a rough year for me
Yeah me as well. First I had severe nerve damage then pericarditis. I knew better than to take the shot, but did it for work. It’s not “growing an extra arm in five years”, it’s dire effects following vaccine. There is no social contract and we should have let the virus run its course. So don’t tell me about the “science” when I have lived the backlash. I have never had a health issue in my life and nothing but issues since.
sorry that happened to you. but also, please understand that the same thing that put you through so much hardship is also the same thing that saved both my parents from covid.
@@jeremygonzal8603 your parents would have been fine. If they didn't get the first strain of COVID and only got it after the vaccines came out statistically there's a 99% chance they would have been absolutely a-okay.
The vaccine definitely saved my brother so I ain't complaining. I didn't take it because I knew I had some underlying diseases and the vaccine might make it worse. The vaccine itself isn't dangerous but if you are already a market of underlying conditions you might want to give the vaccine a second thought.
The vaccine is quite dangerous. I never had a health condition in my life. Two shots later nerve damage and myocarditis.
Acute myocarditis is more commonly reported than chronic myocarditis. Acute myocarditis typically presents shortly after vaccination, particularly with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, and has been documented in various studies. For instance, the incidence of vaccine-associated myocarditis (VAM) was found to be less than 4 per 100,000 in the general population, with a higher incidence in adolescent and young male populations.
Chronic myocarditis, on the other hand, is not commonly associated with vaccines. The majority of the myocarditis cases reported post-vaccination are of an acute nature, resolving with time or with treatment. It’s important to note that while the risk of acute myocarditis exists, it is relatively low compared to the risks associated with the diseases the vaccines aim to prevent.
AntiVax Chatter: "I believe at face value random pseudoscience conspiracy theories that scare me"
Destiny: "This is how mRNA vaccines generally work"
AntiVax Chattery: "You're not a leading authority on the subject with a deep complicated understanding so you can't have an opinion, especially one that counters my own opinion that I just made up!"
AntiVax Chatter: “Fauci and the government claimed that the vaccine would prevent the spread. They now claim that they never said that, and that everyone was going to get the virus. Mandating the Vaccine should be my body, my choice.”
NDT: “Nuh-Uh”
@Taotl It's difficult to make an easily defeatable strawman about any of that though.
Vaxxers as of late: No one ever said that vaccine stopped spread of Covid.
All of these comments just show me you guys have no idea what normal everyday conservatives think. Step outside of the discord for a bit. You're doing the thing. Just label them "antivax" and ignore em' they're stupid. Alright cool, keep doing it i guess, but it's probably the reason they still hold onto some semblance of political power every other cycle.
@Taotl I actually think the problem stems from most skeptics really not being skeptic so much as knee jerk reactionaries, who would will just purposely go against the grain on any major initiative that the scientific community or mainstream media or academia throws their support behind
Some specific techniques scientists use to work with mRNA include:
Polyadenylation: This is the process of adding a string of adenine nucleotides (poly(A)) to the 3' end of the mRNA. This helps protect the mRNA from degradation by exonucleases.
Cap addition: This is the process of adding a modified guanine nucleotide, called a 7-methylguanosine cap, to the 5' end of the mRNA. This protects the mRNA from degradation by endonucleases and also helps with translation by recruiting ribosomes to the mRNA.
RNA stabilization reagents: Scientists can also use reagents that protect the mRNA from degradation by binding to it and protecting it from nucleases. These include ethanol, ethanolamine, and guanidine thiocyanate.
Cold storage: mRNA can be stored at low temperatures, such as -80°C, to slow down the activity of nucleases and prolong the stability of the mRNA.
Reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR): This is a technique that allows scientists to make multiple copies of a specific segment of RNA by converting it to cDNA, which is then amplified using PCR.
In vitro transcription: This is a technique that allows scientists to make large amounts of specific mRNA by using a DNA template and an RNA polymerase enzyme.
ok
Aint nobody reading that lil bro , do something productive with your life
@@Siikayy Just means you weren't the target audience, lil bro.
I’m guessing that they combine these techniques in some fashion to ‘harden’ the RNA right?
You forgot greed, profits, lies, delusion, group think, fear. People do not change their minds on this issue. It doesn't matter how many young people are mysteriously dropping dead or experiencing heart problems. Yeah I'm a tin foil hat 🤠
Calling Patrick Bet David bad faith is ridiculous. I agree with your over all point but that and this "Trump whataboutism" when I guarantee you have no clue about his opinions on Trump are what's truly bad faith.
"If you look at stats, you'll see statistics about Florida. I go to California and they say, why did the NBA go to Florida ???" Can't beat that solid gold logic! 🤷🏾♀️
14:00 straight up nailing it. Having done work on RNA the mere fact they managed to get mRNA into a lipid nanoparticule without any contamination or significant degradation is a technological marvel
Are you one of the Kraut and tea scientist.. Everything's so simple until it's not. Lab assistants are scientists, until they are not.
@@SlyNine PhD researcher in microbiology immunology and molecular biology so I’d say I classify as a scientist
@@camelloy Describe to us what you did during the PhD
Totally
Jesus…exactly the retard bad faith comments destiny was referring to showing up in the responses to you 🙄
6:36 The "DOOD!" got me lol. I've never seen NDT like this xD
He’s a hack
@@Li0nshare Get outta town
@Taotl NDT? I have no opinion on him. I haven't seen enough of his content.
His podcast Startalk is pretty comfy
@@aliothspectranet5678 Thx for the intel; I'll check it out.
“That’s what the tests were for” No, no, fuck no. They literally admitted they never tested for this …
to be fair, i think it was pfizer who admited they tested on 8 mice. apparently the budget wouldn't be enough for 10. and that was enough to say it's safe
What are you referring to?
@@teoteo3522 transmission, Pfizer admitted they never tested for the transmission prevention of these vaccines.
@@jdeli5655 Lol, if thats true (pls give linkzzz), they are unbelievably dumb/corrupt. Like the whole reason people were FORCED to take that shit is because you were less likely to kill grandma.
@@teoteo3522 i think some European commission questioned some big wig from Pfizer or CDC and it was a shit show... basically they didn't test the vaccine at all
We're dealing with an unprecedented level of willful ignorance. In the past when people were ignorant they had good reason, they didn't have so much access to information.
We have words specifically to describe reduced risk, a number of words in fact.
When we explicitly do not use those, we are intentionally trying to send a different message than what we mean.
"This STOPS that, means that "this," prevents "that," from happening.
If "this," only lessens the chance, and you don't want to specifically say "lessen the likelihood," you can say mitigate, reduce, limit, etc etc. Saying "stops," is intentionally not saying what it actually does because it's more convincing.
Seatbelts don't stop death in car accidents, it reduces the risk of death, I have literally never seen or heard anyone in my life say seatbelts STOP death or injury in a car accident, they have always said it reduces the risk of fatal injury and then go on to explain exactly what a seatbelt does and what it would prevent, and even go on to explain what harm a seatbelt could cause too and how to avoid that harm.
Similarly, the vaccine doesn't STOP the spread, it mitigates it, sayin "STOP," is being intentionally manipulative and then using this argument Destiny keeps using is essentially the social gaslighting of being like "well obviously what we said isn't what we meant, you should have known when we say something we don't mean that and it obviously means something else that we just intentionally chose not to say, and all the people saying the same intentionally misleading thing all had the same idea of not meaning exactly what was said, you're just crazy or stupid to think people mean what they say when they speak words in the English language."
No it doesn't mitigate the spread either it doesn't do anything at all for the spread it was never even tested for transmission it doesn't work that way the CEO of Pfizer before he stepped down just admitted this recently on video it's not that hard to find
@@Dino2GunZ whether it does or doesn't wasn't the point.
Destiny and others are arguing under the pretense it does mitigate the spread, and are arguing that saying stops is the same thing, that is the behaviour I'm talking about.
These silly word games don't matter and you are misusing the terms despite trying to be so pedantic.
@@usucdik I'm not using word games, that's kind of the point, people are trying to be intentionally indirect in what they mean so that it hold more weight, that is a mind game. To point out the gaslighting being done of saying using intentional words to hold more weight and then saying that's not what is happening and the words being used do mean the thing they explicitly do not mean, is not being pedantic, it's recognizing manipulative behaviour, obviously people trying to be manipulative are going to be angry and attempt to be further manipulative once they are called out as you are doing, it just makes it all the more clear of the intention behind the actions being malice rather than stupidity.
THIS absolutely. They are gaslighting hard. I completely disagree with Destiny on this (and I enjoy his content). People have been so gaslit that they are forgetting the narrative at the beginning. People absolutely believed they couldn’t/wouldn’t get it if they got the shmot. Media, leaders, experts, doctors, they were all telling people that it stopped it. Everyone around me at the time believed that. Saying, “everyone knows that they really meant...” now, doesn’t cut it for me. People were hysterical and when that shmot came out they held onto that like it was Jesus Christ himself saving they ass.
Common sense told me and should have told others that there’s NO way they could make that claim honestly. If they meant something else they should have been aware of the people taking them at their word and clarified, cause people WERE believing that. That even further caused my skepticism.
Free food if you take it-red flag
Chance to win a million bucks if you take it-red flag
Commercials nonstop on tv, especially targeting the black community -red flag
Might as well been a dude in a van with no windows offerin candy to kids at the schoolyard.
Did I take a chance on trusting my intuition, yes, am I mad about it, nope.
Destiny is correct, it did reduce transmission...by 1ish% according to ARR...
and the proof is there, everyone kept getting it and spreading it even after 2,3,4 shmots.
If you’re a male under 40y/o you have a higher risk of heart probs from the thing, and there’s a lot of excess deaths due to “unknown causes” lately, just sayin.
this fanbase and destiny r so botted its unbelievable, no critical thinking just holding a shield in front of a broken kingdom, wake tf up
Come on, bro, you can't do pure irony like this. It's just not fair.
Listen, can you offer a more useful criticism? Why is it so hard to include what Destiny is wrong about along with your insult?
Just take a moment and say, "Destiny is wrong about X. He's got no critical thinking." Otherwise, how is anyone supposed to think critically about anything you're saying?
The fact that at this point two people who seem like intelligent people are still saying that the vaccines stop the spread (no I’m not implying your saying 100% but saying it drastically reduces it) gives me such little hope. I just don’t get it
The air bags analogy was flawed. If it turned out that a particular type of air bag caused more harm than good, it would rightfully be recalled. That doesn’t mean all air bags are bad.
Unless he makes another air bag analogy in the video, I think you’re missing the point of the comparison here
@@chrisbrowy929 Can you clarify the point he was making that I missed?
Many airbags have killed people below a certain height when they open but they're still used. What is your evidence that the vaccine causes more harm than good?
Absolutely wild how society has progressed just enough to keep these morons alive, thus validating their belief that they're making the correct personal choices and that's why they're still alive.
@Yusuf Talib is this a scizo post?
@Yusuf Talib you sound fun
Correct, people who think the jab is something that helped the situation in any way are morons
@Yusuf Talib I doubt you have a PHD, also unless its applied that really doesn't mean shit. Congrats you passed some classes. I run circles around the engineers with degrees and I don't have one as an engineer myself, I also typically get pay more then them, because I know more and have more real experience. If you have one, don't let that certificate go to your head.
@Yusuf Talib what the hell is scientism?
After months of Factorio gameplay. The only thing I understand is conveyer belts.
Same. My brain has only ever decided to internalize him laying down conveyer belts. And him flying around the map.
Neil is a politician not a scientist.
When an idea becomes politicized, objective truth becomes optional. In a society where everything becomes politicized, objective truth becomes a threat.
Wow you are really smart!
I feel the term "politicized" is overused here. trump and his uninformed ilk made it an issue, which brought it to the realm of political misinformation. Rational people (and Dems) just kept their feet on the ground with the simple science of the process. Perhaps there were a few Dems that used it as a weapon to expose the incredible ineptitude of the right wing at that time, but I don't see it as a politicized issue, short of one side being incredibly wrong about it and the other side just being... reasonable. And Im not a Dem, Im just noting how abysmally bad the right was about the whole damn thing.
if the issue was one of pure speculation, and Dems said blue, while Repubs said red, then yes, it would be ppoliticized, or at least the term would have a better fit. I think of politicized is no right or wrong ,but just both sides telling u right or wrong. a Reasonable person, before COVID understood completely what vaccines did. there was a small cult of anti vaxxers (mostly dems, believe it or not), but this current crop of anit vax are 100000% sheep follwing the cult. Not ONE of the current crop of antivaxxer had shit to say when trump gloriously proclaimed he would have th vaccine ready in his Sept campaign runs. NOT ONE. it wasnt until Biden won and the vax actually rolled out that they shit all over it.
@@wwlittlejOfficial I think it was mostly due to people not trusting the people who were most agressivly pushing that crap. Also the virus wasnt that lethal so the agressive push seemed even more unwarented.
@@teoteo3522 wait what? The virus wasn't "that" lethal??? Do... do u not believe the American death numbers?
@@wwlittlejOfficial less than 1 percent of infected people died from what Ive seen
This sounds like SNEAKO and Destiny debating in 30 years
Dude walked right into the smoking analogy with smoking free zones
It would be a good analogy. If the jab noticeably helped in reducing transmission
@@AnonymousFO sorry you didn’t notice. There’s some studies you can find showing the reducing of spread. Anyway regardless of that, I’m glad the Hospital workers in my family are at lower risk than they were before the vaccine slowed the insane rate of people coming into the hospital to spread it to them and everyone else.
@@AnonymousFO it does, and you should research it
@@theblackdeath10 show me your research…I’m curious. I’ve seen when spread was highest most Americans had already been vaccinated which would put what you claim into doubt
@@lancethompson5403 That's because the vaccine was being distributed amidst a global pandemic. It's not a binary... The vaccine isn't 100% foolproof protection against transmission. The vaccine mitigates the risk of transmission by allowing your body to fight off the virus faster, meaning less symptoms and less overall time spent infected.
The breakdown of most anti-vax/anti science arguments.
"Some scientists out there are probably corrupt, so you can't really trust any of them".
Imagine applying this logic to your day-to-day life: the surgeon might be corrupt, I think I'll avoid the operation. You can't really trust the institution".
Yea and then you could go find a non corrupt feeling doctor that’s the beauty of our healthcare system. What one doctor says another one can counter that and you might not even need an operation
Problem isn't that scientists are corrupt, the problem is that the efficacy of the vaccine was continously goalpost moved the entire pandemic. The WHO said the vaccine would stop transmission of the disease in March 2020, just 6 months later the vaccine was about "reducing the chance of serious illness". You can't expect people to not be skeptical when they can see with their own eyes that the institutions themselves are playing some kind of political game, and aren't just giving out The Facts™.
It's true tho because people have switched doctors and psychiatrists because of how they were treated. You can do "cops" and "government" are corrupt yet be like nah scientists and doctors aren't totally just in it for the money...
it's a valid issue in America though, taking out loans for a broken leg is the norm and the corpos slurp all that yummy money, not so much in ther EU or Australia which also trusts the system more
@@jimbothegymbro7086 it's not really an issue though, you hear maybe tens of stories a year in a country with 330,000,000 people.
There are some issues at hand, but "doctors will literally lie to you for a buck" is not one, especially when their opinion matches with the doctors in countries you claim are safer.
Defending "not forced" by saying you only lose your job, can't go to your friends, family, school or a store and comparing it to a military breach of your home is next level delusional.
Can't go to your friends, family, or a store? Wtf are you talking about?
And the small amount of dumb people who were working federal jobs and didn't wanna get vaccinated, were free to find work elsewhere if they wanted to be dumb.
They weren't forced. No one forced them to be dumb
@@gregorsamsa1364 I'm not from USA so I don't 100% know how the lockdowns happened there, but in my country you couldn't visit a store unless you had a proof of vaccination and if they caught you hanging out with friends you would get fined.
Grow up
@@johnnyflannigan136 you dont think thats extreme?
We never had a rule about needing a vaccine to go outside in the USA.
I think you make a lot of poor arguments here
PBD is only competent when it comes to running mlm schemes these discussions are above his weight class to be honest!
I wish more people saw this. People see a rich man and thinks that he must be smart in all aspects of life
Most of these cell processes are covered in your highschool bio course... I don't understand why people act like DNA and mRNA are some kind of sci-fi magic
Because they failed to retain any of the knowledge they received. They learned the facts through write memorization that would be on the test, from the study guide. The school system prioritizing standardized testing in pursuit of funds does a major disservice to the youth and future of this country.
and being fired for not taking a vaccine was aslo discuss in highschool ,right?
The dunning-kruger effect is knocking. You don't even know what you don't know. It's a common practice to bend the truth just so students can comprehend a concept. Don't go thinking your high school education gives you the slightest clue about this.
Just so we're clear. I'm not making an argument about who's right. But reading through this crap it's clear you guys can't seem to grasp the concept of logic. Yet you're talking down to people.
@@SlyNine Delusional.
I had the vaccine and I got COVID. But it was a new strain at the time (delta). It sucked a lot because I was 9 months pregnant and couldn't take medicine, but I was fine. I didn't have to go the the hospital, and I believe being vaccinated had a lot to do with that. Meanwhile, my crunchy friends were telling me my baby was going to die because I got the vaccine while pregnant. I listened to my doctor, read the studies, and chose to do it and I'm glad I did because it could have been a lot worse for me and my baby if I didn't.
anecdotes are fun. i didnt get the vaccine and im totally fine also.
Paid actor
NDT used nothing but faith-based arguments when he's supposed to be a scientist.
Why was Destiny taking Schizo call-ins during this video??
watch it
Lmao you ain’t even seen it
I watched it live, it was driving me crazy!
@@darkfeign I believe the in Fandom name is shizuary
Cause it’s content
Poor Neil. The man is an astrophysicist, but not at all a debate lord. Ugh
The segment/ tangent about understanding and using the English language, was spot on and appreciated.
Republicans are the type to trust the 1 in 10 dentist that recommend toothpaste instead of the other 9.
yep thats why the rich celebrities here in california have their own grocery stores that sell those 1 in 10 toothpastes while the rest of the masses have their toxic 9 out of 10 toothpastes?
@COCK no one ever said rich people were inherently smarter
@@greenboarder89 more like rich people are willing to spend money on dumb shit. Like 500 dollar orange juice.
And democrats are totally fine with taking away constitutional rights, what's your point?
Well, I'd like to hear why that 1 dentist doesn't recommend it.
I don't even know who this muzzie interviewing Neil Degrasse Tyson is, but it's cringe seeing everyone in the comments criticizing him here. You're all really big pharma simps? lol
If I get the vaccine, will I still get infected with the virus.
If so, what is you justifications for forcing me to take it, given I am a healthy young person.
Does the risk outweigh the reward?
Maybe.
Less viral load (cant replicate inside you as much, thus you're less infectious to others.) Herd immunity for those that can't get the vaccine for medical reasons. If you do get sick, you'll experience less symptoms and are less likely to be required to go to the hospital.
Yes. The vaccine can cause heart issues. But the virus causes the same issues at a much higher rate.
At around the 14 min mark: I worked as a kilo chemist developing one of the precursors to the mRNA vaccine and fragile is the right way to describe it. We worked day and night (me on nightshift) because it was only stable stored cold in a buffered solution, and the purification step had to be in an unbuffered solution. If we left a 4L container of the stuff on a rack overnight unbuffered, 30% of it would be gone the next morning.
“Nobody was saying [you won’t get Covid] if you get the shot”
Ya know, except the director of the CDC, Fauci, the president of the United States.
Nobodies.
Do me a huge favor and site where Fauci says the vaccine will stop you from getting Covid.
There is literally a 10+ minute video of politicians claiming the vaccine will grant immunity if its still up.
@@JR-wf5kg first that’s politicians, not doctors. Second, if what you’re saying is correct, SOMEONE must have the video….so far I can’t find it so you’re either lying or you’re conflating politicians and medical experts. Now that being said, show me video where the cdc or Fauci are saying you won’t get Covid if you get the vaccine.
@@stbsole and if I provide it, you’ll concede?
@@lastnamefirstname8843 I’ll concede that Fauci said it sure.
During the pandemic, I got to a point where I could only chuckle when people with little to no scientific knowledge thought they schooled me with baseless claims about the pathogen & vaccine. I mean, I only studied microbiology, immunology and biochemistry among other STEM courses but what do I know 🤷♂
Edit: Wow, I didn't expect PBD to take such a big L here
PBD is such a pseudo intellectual. He acts like he’s the shit
Soooo get the shot and I won't get covid, right? Or were you just here to stroke yourself off with accomplishment bragging?
Debates are about arguments, not your diplomas.
@@jboss1073
You are correct but when one who knows little to nothing about of the scientific method tries to disprove trivial/logical notions with no peer reviewed studies is not making a solid argument
@@TheNewSchoolGamer There are no templates for dismissing novel arguments. We have to analyze each one individually. Otherwise you're just being racist towards arguments.
When I was in Marine basic training once a month we would line up and walk in a line with vaccine stations, a nurse on either side of you, jabbing you. No idea what was in any of those except penicillin.
When pitted against abortion the vaccination mandates loses steam.
Destiny you're an intelligent person, but listening you talk about health triggers me sometimes, cause you sound smart, but don't understand the details:
Long term side effects to vaccines is autoimmunity. Vaccines have "snips or bits" of a virus or bacteria. Putting this into the body alone does not produce an immune response. That's why there is adjuvants (mercury, aluminum) to irritate local tissues to create an immune response. The issue is, that the amino acid sequence in the virus can look similar to snipets of our own amino acid sequences. In some people this creates an immune response to yourself, causing autoimmunity.
Plus, the polio vaccine you get in the arm, makes you a silent spreader of polio. Let me explain. Polio is a gut virus, and the best immunity is to be vaccinated via route of natural exposure. The problem with oral polio drops is that its more dangerous and sometimes actually causes polio, (currently the polio strain circulating in africa and middle east is vaccine strain not the wild one).
The polio arm shot, protects you from having polio neurological damage, but if you get it in your gut you will spread it (the IgA specific immune cells in the gut are not immune yet).
Vaccines don't all work the same way.
absolutely not.
DeSantis in Florida is what Trump should've done with the country, if Trump did that, he would've won the election. Luckily he did not
Destiny looks vaxxed as FUCK
"when do most vaccine side effects appear" but this isn't most vaccines, this is the first major rollout of an mRNA vaccine. Lipid nanoparticles being fragile seems irrelevant, as the main concern is the spike proteins that are produced from the mrna process, the process that is activated is the concern not the initial form of the particle. And we do see an increased risk of myocarditis as a result, so it seems like the hesitation was somewhat justified. Why not allow people to be cautious and make a personal decision rather than mandate these vaccines when it is using a new technology that isn't time tested? Why not have a targeted rollout targeting the most vulnerable, elderly, overweight etc. To many it seems that the profitability of a mass vaccination influenced the policy decisions.
The vast majority of people that refused the vaccine also refused masks. They do not care at all about the science. They cared because of political beliefs. Please go ask any contractor that refused the vaccine why they did so. When you say "To Many" you are referring to people that regurgitate very specific talking points from influencers. Not everyday working class people. Where the fuck were any of you talking about any of the multiple prescriptions that are illegal in other Countries but are given out in the states? Oh that doesnt give you the right attention and now that vaccines are done none of you have said a fucking peep about them. Doesn't give you any views and likes talking about Bactrim.
@@Onthebrink5 calm down you are making a ton of assumptions and generalizations. Also your logic works against you. Most people only wore cloth masks when the studies clearly showed that only n95 masks were effective. Then there were tons of people wanting to prolong school closures despite the science showing clearly that children were not at threat from the virus. There were hysterical people on both sides that ignored the science. I wore a mask, but when I developed heart soreness right after taking the first shot, I decided it was not worth risking any more shots in case the shot was responsible. People might’ve forgone the vaccine for any number of reasons, some simply were opposing what they saw as authoritarian measures invading their bodily autonomy. As a young healthy person with a strong immune system, who was aware of the risk of myocarditis in young men and with a potential bad reaction to the first shot I made the choice not to get any more. I always vetted the information I was receiving with scientific papers and studies published in reputable journals. When I got covid I was sick for only 2 days. Im pro vaccine, even these mrna vaccines, however they are completely unnecessary for young healthy people and especially children. But for the elderly, immune compromised, or overweight people, these vaccines do wonders at reducing hospitalization and death. All of these conclusions are based on the best science I could find.
Once again; capitalism poisons society.
"And we do see" - not really. That is the whole problem with your side. Very little data, much conjecture.
"and make a personal decision" - it's not personal when the risk is getting lots of people sick, and accepting this sort of ignorance only leads to more problems when you choose to not comply with things that are good for everyone. Just look at how we've already dealt with issues like measles outbreaks because more than a few people think they are simply choosing for themselves, i.e. denying science and acting out of fear and ignorance.
"Why not have a targeted rollout..." - hey, buddy... THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Nothing you said here was a worthwhile argument.
@@usucdik There are multiple studies and data that show myocarditis as a side effect from the vaccine. And the data shows covid has a very low lethality in healthy young adults and children. Data shows cloth masks being vastly ineffective. This is strong solid data from institutes in countries around the world that even the CDC acknowledges. It's not conjecture.
But the risk of spreading the virus is there regardless if you have been vaccinated or not. This is also backed up by strong data. The vaccines reduce spread, but not by a significant amount, and the virus spreads to a degree regardless of vaccination, that leads to the inevitability of everyone being infected at some point of another. So yes it absolutely is a personal health decision, the vaccine can protect you from more severe outcomes, but it wont prevent the inevitable outcome that everyone will be infected.
No it was not a targeted rollout, it was mandated in many jurisdictions that all adults be vaccinated, lest they lose rights to access public settings, and worse lose their jobs in many industries. This is authoritarian and unjustified. It's not backed up by science.
All of that is objective fact. It's not based on one side or another. I'm pro-vaccine, I think they saved a lot of lives. But it's pathetic that some have bowed to authoritarianism to own the conservatives.
It's sad that this discussion is a thing when it's just going through the same tired talking points we went through over year ago. The comment section for the original video is just pathetic.
been a lot of information that came out recently that wasn't available a year ago that even Neil was afraid to talk about you should probably look into it
@@Dino2GunZ Heard nothing new in this video. Direct me to specifics.
@8:16 This "what about Trump" deflection is weak AF. Address the pt that the vacc was pushed under completely false pretense (>95% efficacy), don't ramble on about Trump supporters as if that has anything to do with the conversation.
"it was never the popular opinion ever that if you got the shot you won't get sick" in my world everyone believed that and preached it.
That's 100% the lie that was told by every mainstream news outlet.
It really depends on how you understand the statement. Saying “won’t get sick” does not mean 100% effectiveness, at least not to most reasonable people. Similarly, most people would immediately agree with the statement “smoking causes lung cancer” even though many smokers don’t get lung cancer, and some people who never smoked do get lung cancer. It’s a statistical point: a lifetime of smoking greatly increases the risk of getting lung cancer. Not a certainty, but a statistical
impact. Similarly, getting the covid vaccine greatly reduces the risk of serious illness or death from covid, to the point that many vaccinated people don’t even know they have covid because the symptoms are so minimal or nonexistent. Maybe the statement “won’t get sick” is not precise enough, but I actually thought that what was communicated to the public was fairly accurate and easy to understand.
@@therainman7777 I get that and he was explaining his stance related to airbags as nobody would say "if you have an airbag you won't die" while everyone knows they save lives. The thing is thats not how people thought about the vaxs. They truly believed if you got it you can't get sick, this was confirmed and made very clear by their belief in how they couldn't spread it anymore and how you were killing everyone and their grand parents if you yourself didn't have it. This was further made clear by making it mandatory in certain places and jobs it seemingly made no sense because if other people have the vaccine why would it matter, they can't get it or die anyway, I know people forced to get it working an at home job for a company, still to this day they have never had co-workers or interacted with anyone within the company
@@tOoEsZ I understand the first part of what you’re saying, that some people truly did believe the vax would guarantee them 100% immunity. Ok, I’m willing to grant you that. I don’t recall hearing it myself, but I’m totally willing to take your word for it that some people thought that. However I’m not following the second part of your response, where you said the fact that people thought it guaranteed total immunity was “made clear by the fact that it was mandatory in certain places.” Why would a vaccine need to be 100% effective in order for someone to consider making it mandatory? Setting aside for a second whether you or I think it actually _should_ have been mandatory, why would 100% effectiveness be a necessary precondition for making something mandatory? Very few, if any, vaccines or other medical interventions are 100% effective. If the covid vax were 90% effective (grant me that figure just for sake or argument, please), then why couldn’t a company, state, or other organization determine that that level of immunity was worth making the vaccine mandatory? Again, setting aside your personal opinion on whether they actually should have done so.
@@therainman7777 I’ll grant you 1% efficacy, cause that’s what it actually was.
3:16 pivotal debate fork for Tyson. Couldn't he have said to "people in the military lose their job" with "when there's a mass hospital overload you're gonna have staff that get infected, and eventually dead marines and veterans. Then forfeited territory. Military medical is coming home regardless."
But hasn't the vaccine efficacy been significantly lowered since the initial studies?
That's the nature of any vaccine for a virus with strong transmission capabilities. The more hosts it has the more chances to multiply and mutate. The nature of the virus dictates the long term efficacy of a vaccine, not the vaccine itself.
Maybe because
a) the virus becomes more adapted to the human body and therefore less and less dangerous
b) the virus changes more and more from the version the vaccines are designed to fight
yes, and anyone who’s surprised would also be shocked to find a wanted poster of someone only describing their outfit likely means the wanted person is going to change their outfit very easily when you could’ve included their face in the poster to require the wanted person get a face change.
Probably because it ran rampant.. there is what 15 different versions in China alone?
@@myronwilliams3340 are you implying China wasn’t forceful enough against Covid?
I still don't understand how vaccinated people were more at risk from unvaccinated people than are from other vaccinated people...
Destiny Literally knows nothing about Science. Debate a Scientist who disagrees with you please
grow some balls and say what he doesn’t know
The issue is that the claim was made that the vax stopped the spread. And this was the strongest rationale for the mandates. That it wasn’t about you individually, but about the people you interacted with. That line of reasoning failed the minute we found it the vaccine had very little impact on slowing transmission.
The idea that because it’s good for you individually, we should compel you to do it could be used to mandate BMI limits.
We could argue that the virus mutated in ways that weren’t foreseeable, but that’s why a responsible public health official doesn’t make claims that turn out to be completely false 3-6 months after they made them. Because you undermine trust in the institution and it’s hard to earn that back.
This was exactly why I got my doses - as an already low ICU risk for cofid. And when the data showed it was false, I regretted it.
This a completely false is a drastic overstatement, feels like you're completely missing Destiny's point, taking the vaccine did decrease the spread, the rate of decrease could have been improved if even more people took the vaccine which was part of the original projections. However it took longer than the original projections and the spread ended up happening and you dating as was predicted by many of the leading scientist. You politicians news pundits act like it was a cure-all I'd say yes. But their Brazen overconfidence doesn't justify a resistance to a vaccine, especially in society we've already used to similar preventive measures
And it's even worse than that because several notable news outlets reported on the George Floyd riots as something acceptable in the middle of the pandemic but called January 6th a "superspreader event". Politics has completely infiltrated every single facet of society, there are no actual facts anymore, only whatever useful information that makes your team win more power, wealth and status, and makes your enemies lose it, and yes, this clearly includes the entire field of science itself.
There. Were. Newer. Variants. Talk after me and repeat, so that you may understand that the first vaccines prevented transmission to a high degree while the omicron variant had more breakthroughs.
My brother in christ, if you are sick for 3 days vs 30 days you are going to statistically be less likely to transmit the virus to new people. Also, if less virus is in your body you're coughing less of it into the atmosphere. It's seriously just a numbers game. Also, the CCC were VERY open that the initial vaccine was for COVID-19 not its new variants.
The people saying chronic myocarditis is common are dumb as bricks. Chronic cases are 10-15% of myocarditis cases. 10-15% for an already rare disease (0.5-3.5% of heart failure hospitilizations are from myocarditis).
What was the mortality rate of covid again.
@@SlyNine from the resources I've seen, overall for the US, its been 1.1% of Covid cases have been fatal, ie. 101m+ people have died from Covid in the US so far.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 I think you mean thousand not million. (101+m would be almost a third of the pop)
I think the myocarditis issue has more do to with the fundamental lack of integrity surrounding covid's discussion by the polical and pop scientific community rather than a real significant side effect which would withdraw the drug from the market.
@@link10909 Sorry meant 1.1m, I was a little tired while typing.
The fact that you can’t differentiate in the opening the difference between tried and tested vaccines for you as a kid, and an experimental rush job with no long term studies, is kind of a blind spot.
Define "experimental rush job"
@@nikoniortnike needing an Emergency use authorization, and only exisiting because Trump cleared away tried and true rules for testing, in order to decrease the timeline for development (which either has a cost associated for it, or the rules were government overreach in the first place).
@@lylanthiasunseeker1020 Neither of those points prove the Covid vaccines were "rushed" and "experimental".
Regarding the 1st claim:
The Covid vaccines were not rushed. Researchers need to do a lot of academic research and pre-clinical work to make medical products such as vaccines. In this case, SARS-CoV-2 was a new virus, but it belongs to a family of viruses with similar traits. Scientists had studied other coronaviruses for 50 years. They already knew that the spike protein could be targeted by a vaccine, which gave them a goal to work toward immediately. In fact, Researchers have been developing and researching an mRNA vaccine platform for over 10 years. After SARS-CoV-2 was sequenced, it took just a few days to make the mRNA vaccine candidates. The spike protein’s genetic code was plugged into preexisting technology with an already working process that had been evaluated for other vaccine uses.
Large scale vaccine clinical trials were organized quickly using networks established in the pursuit of an HIV vaccine. People enrolled quickly due to widespread public interest. Plus, the virus has been spreading rapidly, so regulators could see if vaccine candidates made a difference in a shorter amount of time.
The U.S. Federal government and others pre-built manufacturing facilities for several different vaccines before knowing if they would be approved. Typically, vaccine manufacturers wait until after phase 3 has been completed, and licensure is expected to spend so much money on these types of facilities.
Regulators at the Food and Drug Administration and those involved in making these vaccines already had seen scientific results on the mRNA vaccine platform. So researchers could focus their questions on animal models and early human trials so that they were completed more quickly. In some instances, there was an overlap of certain study phases.
As part of its review process, the FDA re-analyzes the data that companies provide. This double-checking process is reassuring because a neutral party independently evaluates the claims made by the manufacturers. It can take six to nine months for new treatments to get through this process. The FDA compressed the review timeline to weeks with people working nights, days and weekends on parallel teams.
Regarding the 2nd claim:
The World Health Organization said because of the “urgent need” for COVID-19 vaccines, some of the steps in the research and development process were allowed to run at the same time. The WHO said it’s because of the unprecedented financial investments and political commitments to the vaccine that allowed it to be developed so quickly.
That includes Operation Warp Speed, developed by the White House under the Trump Administration, which provided billions of dollars for the development and manufacturing of the vaccines. This allowed for increased manufacturing capacity for some of the vaccines while they were still in testing.
Likewise, while both Pzifer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines are some of the first mRNA vaccines to be authorized and approved in the United States, mRNA technology is not new.
Researchers have studied mRNA vaccines for decades, in particular, because they can be developed in a laboratory setting with readily available materials. So, according to the CDC, once the information about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was known, researchers were able to develop the vaccines.
According to the CDC, Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines “teach our cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response inside our bodies.” These vaccines do not use the live virus and do not affect or interact with our DNA. These vaccines teach our cells to produce a “spike protein.” After that is made, our immune system recognizes the protein and breaks it down, similar to what happens if you become infected with the actual COVID-19 virus. The CDC says our cells break down the mRNA and remove it within a few days after vaccination. As for the spike protein it creates, scientists estimate it stays in the body for up to a few weeks.
According to the CDC, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been held to the same safety and effectiveness standards as every other vaccine produced in the U.S. Safety monitoring systems are continuing to track the COVID-19 vaccines, in what the CDC calls the “most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.”
Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines have been fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration at the time of publication. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is under Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA.
Conclusion: What you attribute to recklessness and rushing on behalf of the vaccine manufacturers is rather the result of countless experts working constantly to ensure safe, robust vaccines are available as soon as possible in order to minimize the death rate and overall harm brought on by the Covid 19 pandemic. All of this, coupled with the fact that the vaccines verifiably worked and prevented the worsening of the pandemic as well as being the catalyst that ended it, leads me to believe that the general population was correct in its assessment of the vaccine. It is in my educated opinion that we were correct in relying on the vaccine and its manufacturers.
If you have any objections to my aforementioned assertions, feel free to respond. However, do not bother responding if your comment consists of vague, unsubstantiated platitudes regarding these events. I do not care to entertain conspiracy theories.
@@lylanthiasunseeker1020 Neither of those points prove the Covid vaccines were "rushed" and "experimental".
Regarding the 1st claim:
The Covid vaccines were not rushed. Researchers need to do a lot of academic research and pre-clinical work to make medical products such as vaccines. In this case, SARS-CoV-2 was a new virus, but it belongs to a family of viruses with similar traits. Scientists had studied other coronaviruses for 50 years. They already knew that the spike protein could be targeted by a vaccine, which gave them a goal to work toward immediately. In fact, Researchers have been developing and researching an mRNA vaccine platform for over 10 years. After SARS-CoV-2 was sequenced, it took just a few days to make the mRNA vaccine candidates. The spike protein’s genetic code was plugged into preexisting technology with an already working process that had been evaluated for other vaccine uses.
Large scale vaccine clinical trials were organized quickly using networks established in the pursuit of an HIV vaccine. People enrolled quickly due to widespread public interest. Plus, the virus has been spreading rapidly, so regulators could see if vaccine candidates made a difference in a shorter amount of time.
The U.S. Federal government and others pre-built manufacturing facilities for several different vaccines before knowing if they would be approved. Typically, vaccine manufacturers wait until after phase 3 has been completed, and licensure is expected to spend so much money on these types of facilities.
Regulators at the Food and Drug Administration and those involved in making these vaccines already had seen scientific results on the mRNA vaccine platform. So researchers could focus their questions on animal models and early human trials so that they were completed more quickly. In some instances, there was an overlap of certain study phases.
As part of its review process, the FDA re-analyzes the data that companies provide. This double-checking process is reassuring because a neutral party independently evaluates the claims made by the manufacturers. It can take six to nine months for new treatments to get through this process. The FDA compressed the review timeline to weeks with people working nights, days and weekends on parallel teams.
Regarding the 2nd claim:
The World Health Organization said because of the “urgent need” for COVID-19 vaccines, some of the steps in the research and development process were allowed to run at the same time. The WHO said it’s because of the unprecedented financial investments and political commitments to the vaccine that allowed it to be developed so quickly.
That includes Operation Warp Speed, developed by the White House under the Trump Administration, which provided billions of dollars for the development and manufacturing of the vaccines. This allowed for increased manufacturing capacity for some of the vaccines while they were still in testing.
Likewise, while both Pzifer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines are some of the first mRNA vaccines to be authorized and approved in the United States, mRNA technology is not new.
Researchers have studied mRNA vaccines for decades, in particular, because they can be developed in a laboratory setting with readily available materials. So, according to the CDC, once the information about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was known, researchers were able to develop the vaccines.
According to the CDC, Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines “teach our cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response inside our bodies.” These vaccines do not use the live virus and do not affect or interact with our DNA. These vaccines teach our cells to produce a “spike protein.” After that is made, our immune system recognizes the protein and breaks it down, similar to what happens if you become infected with the actual COVID-19 virus. The CDC says our cells break down the mRNA and remove it within a few days after vaccination. As for the spike protein it creates, scientists estimate it stays in the body for up to a few weeks.
According to the CDC, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been held to the same safety and effectiveness standards as every other vaccine produced in the U.S. Safety monitoring systems are continuing to track the COVID-19 vaccines, in what the CDC calls the “most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.”
Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines have been fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration at the time of publication. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is under Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA.
Conclusion: What you attribute to recklessness and rushing on behalf of the vaccine manufacturers is rather the result of countless experts working constantly to ensure safe, robust vaccines are available as soon as possible in order to minimize the death rate and overall harm brought on by the Covid 19 pandemic. All of this, coupled with the fact that the vaccines verifiably worked and prevented the worsening of the pandemic as well as being the catalyst that ended it, leads me to believe that the general population was correct in its assessment of the vaccine. It is in my educated opinion that we were correct in relying on the vaccine and its manufacturers.
If you have any objections to my aforementioned assertions, feel free to respond. However, do not bother responding if your comment consists of vague, unsubstantiated platitudes regarding these events. I do not care to entertain conspiracy theories.
@@lylanthiasunseeker1020 Neither of those points prove the Covid vaccines were "rushed" and "experimental".
Regarding the 1st claim:
The Covid vaccines were not rushed. Researchers need to do a lot of academic research and pre-clinical work to make medical products such as vaccines. In this case, SARS-CoV-2 was a new virus, but it belongs to a family of viruses with similar traits. Scientists had studied other coronaviruses for 50 years. They already knew that the spike protein could be targeted by a vaccine, which gave them a goal to work toward immediately. In fact, Researchers have been developing and researching an mRNA vaccine platform for over 10 years. After SARS-CoV-2 was sequenced, it took just a few days to make the mRNA vaccine candidates. The spike protein’s genetic code was plugged into preexisting technology with an already working process that had been evaluated for other vaccine uses.
Large scale vaccine clinical trials were organized quickly using networks established in the pursuit of an HIV vaccine. People enrolled quickly due to widespread public interest. Plus, the virus has been spreading rapidly, so regulators could see if vaccine candidates made a difference in a shorter amount of time.
The U.S. Federal government and others pre-built manufacturing facilities for several different vaccines before knowing if they would be approved. Typically, vaccine manufacturers wait until after phase 3 has been completed, and licensure is expected to spend so much money on these types of facilities.
Regulators at the Food and Drug Administration and those involved in making these vaccines already had seen scientific results on the mRNA vaccine platform. So researchers could focus their questions on animal models and early human trials so that they were completed more quickly. In some instances, there was an overlap of certain study phases.
As part of its review process, the FDA re-analyzes the data that companies provide. This double-checking process is reassuring because a neutral party independently evaluates the claims made by the manufacturers. It can take six to nine months for new treatments to get through this process. The FDA compressed the review timeline to weeks with people working nights, days and weekends on parallel teams.
Regarding the 2nd claim:
The World Health Organization said because of the “urgent need” for COVID-19 vaccines, some of the steps in the research and development process were allowed to run at the same time. The WHO said it’s because of the unprecedented financial investments and political commitments to the vaccine that allowed it to be developed so quickly.
That includes Operation Warp Speed, developed by the White House under the Trump Administration, which provided billions of dollars for the development and manufacturing of the vaccines. This allowed for increased manufacturing capacity for some of the vaccines while they were still in testing.
Likewise, while both Pzifer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines are some of the first mRNA vaccines to be authorized and approved in the United States, mRNA technology is not new.
Researchers have studied mRNA vaccines for decades, in particular, because they can be developed in a laboratory setting with readily available materials. So, according to the CDC, once the information about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was known, researchers were able to develop the vaccines.
According to the CDC, Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines “teach our cells how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response inside our bodies.” These vaccines do not use the live virus and do not affect or interact with our DNA. These vaccines teach our cells to produce a “spike protein.” After that is made, our immune system recognizes the protein and breaks it down, similar to what happens if you become infected with the actual COVID-19 virus. The CDC says our cells break down the mRNA and remove it within a few days after vaccination. As for the spike protein it creates, scientists estimate it stays in the body for up to a few weeks.
According to the CDC, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been held to the same safety and effectiveness standards as every other vaccine produced in the U.S. Safety monitoring systems are continuing to track the COVID-19 vaccines, in what the CDC calls the “most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.”
Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna’s vaccines have been fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration at the time of publication. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is under Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA.
Conclusion: What you attribute to recklessness and rushing on behalf of the vaccine manufacturers is rather the result of countless experts working constantly to ensure safe, robust vaccines are available as soon as possible in order to minimize the death rate and overall harm brought on by the Covid 19 pandemic. All of this, coupled with the fact that the vaccines verifiably worked and prevented the worsening of the pandemic as well as being the catalyst that ended it, leads me to believe that the general population was correct in its assessment of the vaccine. It is in my educated opinion that we were correct in relying on the vaccine and its manufacturers.
If you have any objections to my aforementioned assertions, feel free to respond. However, do not bother responding if your comment consists of vague, unsubstantiated platitudes regarding these events. I do not care to entertain conspiracy theories.
Yeah Typhoid Mary had it rough... Like, you're just working as a maid and people are dying around you... Then you start having these people like accusing you of being diseased (even though you don't feel any symptoms and the idea of being asymptomatic was non-existent yet and on top of that I think being 'diseased' kind of had a big stigma around it) and they're like harassing you for samples of urine and stuff... And then you just keep going as a maid avoiding these weird people, meanwhile more people die around you until you finally gotta be like "Welp, I guess they were right..."
Ladies and gentlemen: 40:25 is the first time the viewer realizes that Adam from Valuetainment is actually in the studio 😂
Hang on, at 37:42 the claim is that 29 ATHELETES suddenly had heart failure pre COVID, and then as a condemnation he claims that post COVID 1500 people had sudden heart failure , but is it me or do those represent vastly different groups?
So this is either an example of misspeaking or gross misrepresentation.
“I’m a stats guy… if the state is Florida is so bad, why did the NBA during Black Lives Matter host a playoff in the state of Florida?” How the F… is this guy worth as much as he is worth.
Destiny is acting exactly like the people says he can't stand how ironic
How so?
He is acting that way so much that I can't even pick out a single example to put in my generically vague comment!
Vaccine preventing Covid transmission wasn’t the popular opinion? What are you talking about, it was the main talking point for weeks.
That it had a 100% protection rate is the narrative the anti vax plague rats are spreading
Yea more like months
@@alisaforster28691 His adherence to covid vaccines were what really grounded my expectations of destiny as not being any more rational than any of the other twitch political commentators. He's just as prone to dogmatic beliefs that he'll blatantly engage in history revisionism to defend as the rest of them. It's disappointing for sure but hey we're all only human.
My understanding is that initially, the vaccines were helpful in preventing transmission for earlier strains of Covid. But as subsequent more mutated strains emerged, they stopped being effective at preventing transmission. So that probably explains the switch up in messaging
10:02
Does neill not know that the emergency use testing protocol isn't as stringent as standard FDA study protocol?
At the time of administering vaccines and placing restrictions around vaccine status there was NO solid data that any of the available vaccines reduced the spread of Covid in any meaningful manner and in fact today we now know, as Pfizer and government have finally admitted, that the vaccine is not great at reducing the spread of Covid at all.
That's the entire crux of the argument: if me getting the vaccine is only for my benefit - because it significantly reduces the chance that I'll die or be injured due to covid - why would we make that mandatory in public spaces? A person who is vaccinated should not be concerned about the vaccine status of someone else.
He clearly does and that was his entire point about thousands versus millions and public health initiative
I FUCKING LOVE THAT AIRBAG ARGUMENT, it makes it so simple and so easily understood.
Airbags aren't required to keep you from losing your job if you don't have an airbag in your car, right?
@Andrew Abreu it's illegal to drive without them, and if you are found driving without them you can get criminal charges, which can lose you your job
@ You didn't even reply again you just took the L.
you don’t inject airbags into your fuckin bloodstream
@@jerryturgin6583 Air bags aren't on your body? At least I can choose to ride a motorcycle. Vaccines stay with you no matter where you go.
The air bag example was so stupid lmao. Its east to seem smart when no one talks back at your points
"People don't think the universe be like it is, but it do."
- Black Science Man
Classic meme.