WOW, brilliant!!! I could feel the spirit reaching out, listening to you two. I know that the Book of Mormon has power to change me when I “seriously “ study it. I feel its power when I contemplate on certain words & apply it. We’re a better people if we abide by the truths taught in the book. Thank you so much👌👍
I am blown away. I have never ever in my life heard of chiasmus. Which is incredibly surprising as my husband had a BA in Religious Studies and also a Masters of Divinity. Maybe he had heard about this and never got around to sharing it with me. But I am just blown away right now and feel like I have so much to ponder on. Thank you for the weekly videos!!
When I first read the Book of Mormon, I noticed that some scriptures were repeated and I thought it a waste of time it took to etch out the words. After being a member for 40 years, I now understand why it was written this way. Thank you!
I cannot begin to tell you how much this particular lesson has done for me. I’ve loved your lessons but this one has blown my mind and added to my testimony a hundredfold. My heart is bursting like the Grinch in that childhood Christmas show. Thank you so much doesn’t express my feelings. My light has just been increased.
Thank you from Perth, Australia! My friends and I have spent Covid 19 isolation watching you every Sunday. We have learnt so much and our spirits have been lifted. We share your great love for our Savior and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Please continue your amazing work and know that it means so very much to us. Thank you!
Thanks a lot, brother Welch! I was in my early twenties when I read you for the first time, I am so blessed to see and hear you. Thanks to all of you who give us more reasons to love the Book of Mormon. Brother Tyler and brother Taylor, you both are my heroes! May the Lord bless you always
Listening to my former Bishop, John Welch, was as edifying today as it was back in 1986. So grateful to have had such an amazing Bishop back then and to continue to be taught by him today.
I'm pretty sure I've heard Hugh Nibley talk at length about chiastic structures in the Book of Mormon, and I guess I've always just assumed its existence was widely known for a hundred years or more. I can't believe this is the man, right here! VERY cool! The content you guys produce is phenomenal! Thank you!
Way to go Brothers you really nailed this one. This proves the authenticity of Alma The Book of Mormon Joseph Smith and of course a testimony of the Lord. Magnificent could not be better thank you. The Lord bless you in your labors YOUR WORK HAS TOUCHED ALL OUR LIVES
I thought that I loved the Book of Mormon with ALL my heart before I learned of this literary device- chiasmus-- used by the prophets in the book--- I was wrong- it has given me another way to show and share the fact that the words in this GIFT are FROM GOD. What a valuable and powerful tool to prove to those with questions that the book was delivered to Joseph Smith to translate and share for us!! my love is deeper than I thought possible--THANK YOU.---rick
Wonderful teaching! This is a brand new idea about Book of Mormon for me since I am Chinese, the translation would never allow me to understand it this way. Thank you for the enlightenment!
“But there is something more. There is a power in the book which will begin to flow into your lives the moment you begin a serious study of the book. “ The Book of Mormon-Keystone of Our Religion. Ezra Taft Benson, April 1986
Love this!! interesting I had started breaking it down!! For my parents, I broke it down the council with the lord and such to pieces... interesting the turning point.. love that Alma went into detail of his experiences.. So awesome and inspirational!! Love the Spiritual inheritance!! Patterns and such.. I love Patterns truly a treasure 💖 to live by... My parents are in a Living center so we read scriptures over the phone... Interesting Name!! thanks so much 🙏 💓 ☺
I love that while the topic is about an external witness, Brother Welch teaches of Jesus Christ's love and sacrifice for us and what His healing power can do in our lives. A great example of finding the real meaning and purpose of the Book of Mormon. Nothing about external evidences contributes to what this Church teaches is a testimony, and that's the focus, even on Book of Mormon Central - the point is to bring people to Christ and have a personal experience of your own. Evidences and proofs fade away into insignificance in the light of the Holy Spirit. This video is beautifully executed because of that. And no one opposed to the Church understands that and they don't want others to understand it. Thank you for this.
I had seen the patterns in my own Book of Mormon reading, but didn't know that Chaisums were a formal thing until I read about Bro. Welch's information some years ago. It was another thing that reinforced my testimony of the Book of Mormon. As I study I wonder what other wonderful things I will find. Thanks for sharing.
Question: With no paragraphs or punctuation would a literal translation also have no capitalization for proper nouns, especially deity? Would every letter be lowercase?
Right to left no vowels only constants. The letters look like capital symbols to me. I would trust Joseph Smith translation is probably right it is from God.
Interesting that in Alma 39:9 he calls his son Corianton to repent and says "cross yourself in these things". Understanding the chiasmus in Alma 36, it seems clear he is referring back to his own moment of crossing when he called on the mercy of the son of God even Jesus Christ. Absolutely beautiful.
Reading in Ether we see Moroni stop and tell us that he (and his people) are not strong in writing. He worries that those who read the Book of Mormon will find only fault in the writing itself instead of the wonderful message that these people bring us, the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. But in this video, for almost an hour, we hear how beautiful their writing is. How wonderful and meaningful the way that they write truly is.
💐 I liked this presentation a lot. I have a notebook in Gospel Tools app called "Heart of the Matter" it is the very center verse or verses in a chapter (if they jumped out or spoke to me.) Now I want to go back and look for chiasmus! 💐 I also find great hints towards baptism in many 8 numbered verses.
Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon and a possible modern day Chiasmus currently in the making. This Comment is intended to be positive in every way, if it is taken negatively by any, it is through faults of my own. In this light, this comment is intended to be a complement to those involved on both sides of the subject. In this presentation on chiasmus, it is pointed out that one part of the chiasmus is to show what something is, and the other part of the chiasmus shows what it shouldn’t be. It is presented that this form of writing and communication is a way of conveying that the message is serious and important, and helps the student learn and understand on an elevated level of learning the truth of the concept and message being taught. So this is the impression that was immediately impressed upon my mind by the spirit of the holy ghost in regards to this chiasmic way of communication to teach others in a serious way of an experience. What if there is currently an experience taking place right now in these modern (Latter) days that the Lord is teaching and unfolding in a chiasmic way. A way that when completely unfolded will show the seriousness of the gospel truths through the Book of Mormon and what the Lord has been teaching us for many years that this book is true. In a Chiasmic way, is the Lord currently teaching us the “What it is”, vs, “What it isn’t” when some are pointing to where the Book of Mormon took place in America the United States, and some are pointing to Central Mesoamerica? Could the Lord be unfolding this Chiasmic experience right before us in our day?
Interesting thought. But that isn't how chiasmus works. Furthermore, chiasmus is a literary pattern, not a historical pattern. Learn more here: chiasmusresources.org/
I agree with Taylor, but you might want to check out this lecture and perhaps it might shed some light. You decide ruclips.net/video/rHVh3bDYGRE/видео.html
Yes, this video you mention and the other way it gets presented in mesoamerica, is what I was referring to in sort of a chiasmic way. So yes it most likely does not fit the chiasmic concept, but as explained a chiasmaus shows what something is and isn't. At some point it will be revealed where the Book of Mormon took place and where the Book of Mormon did not take place sort of like a chiasma describes what something is and what something isn't. My main impression of this thought is that the Lord is allowing both concepts for now to make a serious point at some time in the future of where the Book of Mormon actually took place.
I was doing a poetry reading one night. Karen Opp said: "Its been a long time since we had a church poet." My old work is on Facebook: B.C. Ming poetry My newer work is on Wordpress BCMingpoetry
Since John W. Welch is a walking Chiasmus I tried to see if his name is a Chiasmus. John means God has been gracious and the verb to welch or welsh means to cheat by avoiding the payment of a debt, which could be another definition of grace. So John Welch could be: Grace Grace. Just wonder what the W. Stands for? 🤔 😆
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Thank you for inviting Bro. Welch.its a wonderful insight. Remind me of my conversion to the gospel.
Thanks for sharing your story!
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WOW, brilliant!!! I could feel the spirit reaching out, listening to you two. I know that the Book of Mormon has power to change me when I “seriously “ study it. I feel its power when I contemplate on certain words & apply it. We’re a better people if we abide by the truths taught in the book. Thank you so much👌👍
I am blown away. I have never ever in my life heard of chiasmus. Which is incredibly surprising as my husband had a BA in Religious Studies and also a Masters of Divinity. Maybe he had heard about this and never got around to sharing it with me. But I am just blown away right now and feel like I have so much to ponder on. Thank you for the weekly videos!!
Awesome note!
When I first read the Book of Mormon, I noticed that some scriptures were repeated and I thought it a waste of time it took to etch out the words. After being a member for 40 years, I now understand why it was written this way. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing this note!
I cannot begin to tell you how much this particular lesson has done for me. I’ve loved your lessons but this one has blown my mind and added to my testimony a hundredfold. My heart is bursting like the Grinch in that childhood Christmas show. Thank you so much doesn’t express my feelings. My light has just been increased.
Your thoughts are beautiful!
Thank you from Perth, Australia! My friends and I have spent Covid 19 isolation watching you every Sunday. We have learnt so much and our spirits have been lifted. We share your great love for our Savior and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Please continue your amazing work and know that it means so very much to us. Thank you!
Thank you Julie!
“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.” Just one example.
Thanks a lot, brother Welch! I was in my early twenties when I read you for the first time, I am so blessed to see and hear you. Thanks to all of you who give us more reasons to love the Book of Mormon. Brother Tyler and brother Taylor, you both are my heroes! May the Lord bless you always
you are the best, Walter!
Beautiful! Thank you Professor Welch. What a treat to have you this week. Also, BoM C I appreciate you! This has been a spectacular year.
Thanks Jeri!
During the lecture, I pondered how I would write my own turning point chiasmus of my personal life. It will take much thought
Great idea to do!
Listening to my former Bishop, John Welch, was as edifying today as it was back in 1986. So grateful to have had such an amazing Bishop back then and to continue to be taught by him today.
Thanks for sharing this story, Becky!
I'm pretty sure I've heard Hugh Nibley talk at length about chiastic structures in the Book of Mormon, and I guess I've always just assumed its existence was widely known for a hundred years or more. I can't believe this is the man, right here! VERY cool! The content you guys produce is phenomenal! Thank you!
And more to come!
Way to go Brothers you really nailed this one. This proves the authenticity of Alma The Book of Mormon Joseph Smith and of course a testimony of the Lord. Magnificent could not be better thank you. The Lord bless you in your labors YOUR WORK HAS TOUCHED ALL OUR LIVES
Brent Pack ......you are so right Brent......these terms weren’t even discovered until more recent scholarship....:)
Thank you much appreciated
Beautiful insights.
I thought that I loved the Book of Mormon with ALL my heart before I learned of this literary device- chiasmus-- used by the prophets in the book--- I was wrong- it has given me another way to show and share the fact that the words in this GIFT are FROM GOD. What a valuable and powerful tool to prove to those with questions that the book was delivered to Joseph Smith to translate and share for us!! my love is deeper than I thought possible--THANK YOU.---rick
What a great note, Rick!
My study of the Book of Mormon has been enhanced by the depth of your insights. Thank you so much.
Excellent!
Wonderful teaching! This is a brand new idea about Book of Mormon for me since I am Chinese, the translation would never allow me to understand it this way. Thank you for the enlightenment!
Cool to hear this!
And lots more resources here: chiasmusresources.org/
What a delight to listen and watch this today!!! Thanks for sharing.
We love the Book of Mormon!
Truly OUTSTANDING. ASTONISHING
“But there is something more. There is a power in the book which will begin to flow into your lives the moment you begin a serious study of the book. “
The Book of Mormon-Keystone of Our Religion.
Ezra Taft Benson, April 1986
amen.
Love this!! interesting
I had started breaking it down!!
For my parents, I broke it down the council with the lord and such to pieces...
interesting the turning point..
love that Alma went into detail of his experiences.. So awesome and inspirational!!
Love the Spiritual inheritance!!
Patterns and such.. I love Patterns truly a treasure 💖 to live by... My parents are in a Living center so we read scriptures over the phone...
Interesting Name!!
thanks so much 🙏 💓 ☺
Thanks for this great note!
I love that while the topic is about an external witness, Brother Welch teaches of Jesus Christ's love and sacrifice for us and what His healing power can do in our lives. A great example of finding the real meaning and purpose of the Book of Mormon. Nothing about external evidences contributes to what this Church teaches is a testimony, and that's the focus, even on Book of Mormon Central - the point is to bring people to Christ and have a personal experience of your own. Evidences and proofs fade away into insignificance in the light of the Holy Spirit. This video is beautifully executed because of that. And no one opposed to the Church understands that and they don't want others to understand it. Thank you for this.
Yep!
I had seen the patterns in my own Book of Mormon reading, but didn't know that Chaisums were a formal thing until I read about Bro. Welch's information some years ago. It was another thing that reinforced my testimony of the Book of Mormon. As I study I wonder what other wonderful things I will find. Thanks for sharing.
The scriptures are amazing!
I love you guys!! Thank you so much for this!
We love sharing these beautiful insights.
Thank you for the eye opening.
Is there any way to tell me how to get one of the picture of the angel with trumpet?
Where did you see that image? that is, where in the video did you see that?
Is on the wall behind the board
@@anaruiz1192 jorgecocco.com/
Thank you do much!
Question: With no paragraphs or punctuation would a literal translation also have no capitalization for proper nouns, especially deity? Would every letter be lowercase?
interesting question. Likely everything would be lowercase.
Right to left no vowels only constants. The letters look like capital symbols to me. I would trust Joseph Smith translation is probably right it is from God.
Thank you this really helped me get a deeper understanding
That is the hope :)
Thank you. Love of God and His work is evident
You are the best, Tina!
Interesting that in Alma 39:9 he calls his son Corianton to repent and says "cross yourself in these things". Understanding the chiasmus in Alma 36, it seems clear he is referring back to his own moment of crossing when he called on the mercy of the son of God even Jesus Christ. Absolutely beautiful.
Wonderful, I so enjoyed this video, thank you
Great to hear this!
Wonderful insight! Thank you!
The gospel is amazing!
Reading in Ether we see Moroni stop and tell us that he (and his people) are not strong in writing. He worries that those who read the Book of Mormon will find only fault in the writing itself instead of the wonderful message that these people bring us, the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. But in this video, for almost an hour, we hear how beautiful their writing is. How wonderful and meaningful the way that they write truly is.
Agreed! The Book of Mormon writers are humble and very self-aware!
Thank you! This really helped!
Thanks for watching.
💐 I liked this presentation a lot. I have a notebook in Gospel Tools app called "Heart of the Matter" it is the very center verse or verses in a chapter (if they jumped out or spoke to me.) Now I want to go back and look for chiasmus!
💐 I also find great hints towards baptism in many 8 numbered verses.
Great study approach!
For anyone interested in this subject I recommend: Poetic Parallelisms in the Book of Mormon: The Complete Text Reformatted by Donald Parry
Yes, here is a free electronic copy: scholarsarchive.byu.edu/mi/61/
Could you post a link to his article, “Alma 36: The Masterpiece,” please?
archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/sites/default/files/archive-files/pdf/welch/2017-08-02/11_john_w._welch_a_masterpiece_alma_36_1991.pdf
Great video, and really inspiring. Thanks.
The gospel is amazing. Thanks for watching.
I loved this! Thank you!
Amazing insights!
Thank you for these great videos
You are welcome, Diego!
Thank you.
:)
Chiasmus in the Book of Mormon and a possible modern day Chiasmus currently in the making.
This Comment is intended to be positive in every way, if it is taken negatively by any, it is through faults of my own. In this light, this comment is intended to be a complement to those involved on both sides of the subject.
In this presentation on chiasmus, it is pointed out that one part of the chiasmus is to show what something is, and the other part of the chiasmus shows what it shouldn’t be.
It is presented that this form of writing and communication is a way of conveying that the message is serious and important, and helps the student learn and understand on an elevated level of learning the truth of the concept and message being taught.
So this is the impression that was immediately impressed upon my mind by the spirit of the holy ghost in regards to this chiasmic way of communication to teach others in a serious way of an experience.
What if there is currently an experience taking place right now in these modern (Latter) days that the Lord is teaching and unfolding in a chiasmic way. A way that when completely unfolded will show the seriousness of the gospel truths through the Book of Mormon and what the Lord has been teaching us for many years that this book is true.
In a Chiasmic way, is the Lord currently teaching us the “What it is”, vs, “What it isn’t” when some are pointing to where the Book of Mormon took place in America the United States, and some are pointing to Central Mesoamerica? Could the Lord be unfolding this Chiasmic experience right before us in our day?
Interesting thought. But that isn't how chiasmus works. Furthermore, chiasmus is a literary pattern, not a historical pattern. Learn more here: chiasmusresources.org/
I agree with Taylor, but you might want to check out this lecture and perhaps it might shed some light. You decide ruclips.net/video/rHVh3bDYGRE/видео.html
Yes, this video you mention and the other way it gets presented in mesoamerica, is what I was referring to in sort of a chiasmic way.
So yes it most likely does not fit the chiasmic concept, but as explained a chiasmaus shows what something is and isn't. At some point it will be revealed where the Book of Mormon took place and where the Book of Mormon did not take place sort of like a chiasma describes what something is and what something isn't.
My main impression of this thought is that the Lord is allowing both concepts for now to make a serious point at some time in the future of where the Book of Mormon actually took place.
11:20 - 12:19 is the essence
I was doing a poetry reading one night. Karen Opp said: "Its been a long time since we had a church poet." My old work is on Facebook:
B.C. Ming poetry
My newer work is on Wordpress
BCMingpoetry
You made my day with that presentation. Check your faculty messages too, for a message I sent you there.
Kay Lybbert
Thank you Kay!
Mind blowing!
:)
Since John W. Welch is a walking Chiasmus I tried to see if his name is a Chiasmus. John means God has been gracious and the verb to welch or welsh means to cheat by avoiding the payment of a debt, which could be another definition of grace. So John Welch could be: Grace Grace. Just wonder what the W. Stands for? 🤔 😆
ha ha, very "creative"