He's the kind of character that I hate, but that I LOVE to hate, ya know? It's like Navi. Sure, she's obnoxious, and despite being your supposed helper she's pretty much never remotely helpful, but OoT wouldn't be the same without her, ya know? I hate having to look at Tingle's face, or his body squeezed into that skin-tight suit, but I can't help but love him in spite of it. The only thing more painful that having to look at Tingle is not getting to see him at all.
Yeah, I honestly don't really like silliness just for the sake of being silly in video games (or in anything, honestly) but tingle never really bothered me. He's just absurdist enough to be funny or something, hahaha.
I always thought Koltin and Kilton were supposed to be the new versions of Tingle. It seemed especially more apparent with Kilton. He is this strange looking older little man witn an obsession with turning into a blupee. That's practically the definition of Tingle but with a fairy instead. Plus, if you take their names and reverse the syllables, you get Tinkol and Tonkil. Names being different but similar like that was a common thing in these new games.
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Always liked Tingle ever since his debut, he was a weird idiot who just struck a cord with me, he didn't have to be a brave handsome hero, or a majestic beautiful princess to stand out, he just had to be himself, so what if he was different, he loved himself and just wanted to bring others happiness... ..not counting David Jr....
Better to be a lovable weird idiot than a forgettable side character. Never liked him, but he grew on me. Things just aren't the same without him. And he isn't really an idiot. He's actually an unorthodox genius who's living life the best way he knows how. He runs his own business whilst pursuing his passion. And in Wind Waker, he's even got employees. Tingle also has approximate knowledge of many things, which are _disconcertingly_ accurate given that he has no comprehensible way of knowing anything about who or what Link is. He's got to have connections to genuinely important characters somewhere.
Personally, I didn't mind tingle. I thought he was fine. And in majoras mask, I usually opt to take his picture for the heart piece rather than the deku kings.
Reverse, played MM since childhood and YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF TINGLE FOR THE HEART PIECE? You really do find things out every day in this game. Wild.
I was always pretty neutral on Tingle. I didn't LIKE him growing up 'cause my tastes always leaned towards the cute and the pretty rather than the goofy and the quirky, but there was always something a little bit alienating about how visceral the hate for him was, that to me speaks to the same kind of mentality that leads to bullying and people being too scared to break the mould so they tone down their creativity to the boring and safe, and that makes me kind of sad. I feel like he speaks to something important to Japan, the many bored middle aged officeworkers who want a bit of fantasy and fun in their lives, and that's a precious outlet that needs protecting whether I vibe with it or not.
I don't even know who Tingle was before I watched this video. However, I'm being completely honest with you when I say, this character just doesn't push the right buttons for me😂. I really just don't like him and I can't point a reason as to why. But I'm not a bully as to what you were trying to hint at
Likewise. I didn't... Like him, as such... But it wasn't like he hurt my enjoyment of the games he was in. He was harmless and I do kind of miss his presence.
I'm mostly indifferent to him. I liked his Majora's Mask characterization the best, where he comes off as amusing and endearing. In Wind Waker, I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed the Triforce Quest, but I found Tingle to be kinda creepy due to his cultist characterization. Now I don't care much for the kind of humor attached to him, where it's all about exaggerated facial expressions and uncanny character design, I feel like they already lean too hard into that in general post N64. If they could bring him back, I'd be happy if they'd make him less of a forced joke and more of a whimsical manchild trying to have magical experiences in a world that's trying to drag him down to Earth.
Rather than fully gate area maps behind him, like in Majora's Mask, perhaps he could mark locations of treasure of points or interest within the region. Things you would be able to find othwise, but are helpful nontheless.
Personally I don't like Tingle, but I don't maliciously hate him. Honestly, if Tingle needs a new role, I could think of several. New jobs for Tingle: 1: Courier: As a mailman who delivers to his client, he can wait until either we zone into a new area, or wait until all threats are eliminated, and dispense some update in-game, or a reward that was delayed. 2: Side Quest: Since tingle fancies himself a fairy, he could have a side-quest tailored to his pursuits. We log all the Fairy Fountain locations, and doing so will allow us a new quest to unlock a new weapon, such as "The Great Fairy Sword". A weapon that will passively heal Link over time as the sword itself could have lore saying: "Quenched in the tears of the great fairy herself for the sake of protecting her mortal lover, this sword offers protection and healing to whoever wields it. Known to purge evil, and heal the sick, it is more a healing item than an actual weapon.". 3: Minigame clerk: Tingle can host a minigame shop where you can acquire unlocks, extra rupees, or more! Minigames like an archery game, a test your luck, test your sight, or even to run horse races where you can either bet on someone, or bet on yourself to win! He could run the minigames in Hyrule and say it's the family business since his family mapped out all of Hyrule. 4: Tutorial guide: Ideally in the early game as a weapon master, he'll teach us the basics of what he calls "Fairy Swordsmanship", and teaches the basic controls. He'll also teach us new ways in how to use our weapons and tools, and his school can be where you can review or re-learn mechanics you may have forgotten in the likelihood of you not playing for a while. He'll gleefully rejoice that you want to learn or re-learn something. 5: Waypoint guide: At any point, Tingle can be called to assist you by marking a waypoint you need on the map, and will hover above you or the way point. Once you reach your intended waypoint, he'll thank you for letting him help guide your path, and be on his merry way. 6: Upgrade foreman: Tingle will have his staff dressed like him, and he'll offer a service of upgrading and repairing any damaged or broken weapons or tools. He'll run the front desk, and have his staff handle the rest.
@@RandonPersom542 God hand and Vanquish come to mind, they even gave Demon Souls a shitty review back in the day before it was part of a "cool" series. It's mainly anything niche or games that require multiple playthroughs to get good at/ build the player's skill on or anything that presents some level of culture barrier. And nowdays anything that isn't woke and ugly will get low points with them. They don't understand games as art and only care about being part of pop culture and are too lazy to dedicate time to even beat most games that they review.
@@bunsmasterbunny Absolutely agree. He is just a poor lowly person who wants to believe, but he believed too hard and was alone and single until unknown forces used him where he thought he had a righteous adventure in his own spin-off games.
Tingle was awful in wind waker, you break him out of jail for apparently stealing a camera, he repays you by making you paying him 398 rupees for each triforce map!
I do not miss Tingle. He always gave me the creeps. Like I would not want to leave a child unsupervised in his general vicinity, if you get my meaning.
I never really though about it but yeah, Tingle is missing from the new games! A shame since i did often enjoy his antics, hope we get him back in some way or atleast a Tingle'esque character (like Purlo in TP) Thanks for covering this
Even though I'm the age of 35, just to emphasize how creepy this is, no fairy has come to me yet. My father tells me to grow up and act my age, but why? I prefer offending people on the streets. I needed a patch to play the Tingle DS game in English. I think Tingle was going to have a 3DS title that got canned.
I'm an American Tingle fan. The IGN article was news to me, but I do think a number of points were missed in this video. 1) I disagree that Tingle hasn't changed much since Majora only insofar as... they frankly sabotaged him IMMEDIATELY in the next game. MM Tingle was innocent and honest. WW Tingle was a criminal who robbed a dude, extorted you for rupees, and kept a literal slave. I'm aware that wasn't the case in every case after WW, but it's baffling that they seemingly tried to lean into him being unlikeable in WW. 2) It wasn't that "Zelda fans wanted serious Zelda," it was very specifically that AMERICAN Zelda fans wanted realistic Zelda. 3) I don't know if the American problem with Tingle is that he's "weak," per se, but more specifically that he's un-manly. I wager people dislike him for being a childish adult, a flamboyant male, and a generally sexually charged character on top of it all... in addition to the damage Wind Waker probably did. Lots of things your average American tends to be squeamish/intolerant about. I don't really agree with BotW/TotK being a cartoony or silly point in the Zelda franchise, either, but I suppose that doesn't have much to do with Tingle.
I miss the hilariously quirky characters Nintendo used to make. If you go back to OOT and just observe the NPCs, they’re all so hilariously weird. That sort of thing used to be what set Nintendo games apart, they had a ton of character and quirky ideas translating into fun game design.
I have absolutely no recollction of people hating Tingle back then. He was weird, sure, but still funny and strange enough to be an interesting character in a fantasy game. I only ever heard US game journalists complain about him lol (But then again I'm from the EU... maybe it's one of those US-specific issues which everybody had to go with back then)
I remember being a middle schooler thinking it was so funny shooting tingle down in MM. I didn't even buy his maps, I just loved shooting his balloon haha. He probably thought I was weird and annoying. I think it would've been cool to have him back in Tears of the Kingdom seeing as they had floating chunks of land. He could've been one of the many shrine NPC's
I think it shouldn't be underestimated how much his Wind Waker role and triforce chart quest in specific created the Tingle backlash. No one particularly minded him in particular in Majora's Mask- it was far more common to hate on Majora's Mask as a whole (unthinkable nowadays). But disdain for "cartoonish" in Zelda was SO BIG in the Wind Waker era, elements like him earned people's ire in a way they didn't in past entries. I'd imagine if the history of the Zelda games was mostly the same up until Minish Cap except Wind Waker didn't exist (and that artstyle was just a handheld entry thing or something), people would have gotten significantly less worked up about Tingle. Personally I think a lot of the anti-Tingle backlash was really stupid and borne out of overreacting to things Nintendo does as "trends in the wrong direction". Nintendo tries new things too often to trend in any direction. I don't LIKE Tingle enough to want him back but I wouldn't care if he did come back in some way.
Damn, I haven't thought about Tingle in a while. Hearing he was killed off by gaming chuds in the 2010's (or earlier) is really sad. He was the perfect Zelda side character: wacky, endearing and a little off-putting
I didn't mind Tingle at all in MM but his WW incarnation was a bit weird and he had that godawful GBA minigame thing that also blocked me from getting all the sculptures.
Tingle reminds me of those Japanese comedy shows with men wearing costumes and doing physical tests and competing. Japan loves this crap, but I don't think it works in the West
I skimmed through ALL 150+ comments to say the one word you all refused to say: *GAY.* Even though Tingle is known to have female romantic interests, the problem in the west of the early 2000s and regrettably still to this day is homophobia. Tingle wants to be a "Fairy," but at least in western culture slang, that can be a derogatory term for a gay man. While the smear campaign by IGN was one homophobic factor, it probably came down to localization. When you consider his origin has a disapproving father involved in his decision to be a fairy, it sounds familiar to those who may be struggling to come out as openly gay, queer, etc. I also instantly think of the classic iDubbbz moment in a Filthy Frank video: dressed in a Tingle morphsuit jumping down from a fridge *dramatic landing pause* "AH'M GAY!" Now the flipside: his representation might be offensive to to the LGBTQIA community. Back then in the 90s and early 2000s, a character could be a one off ambiguously non-straight character for laughs. I am not saying that's how it should be, that's dog whistle bigotry. Now there would be backlash for portraying the stereoty;pes.
Indeed, I would go as far as to suspect that future remakes of games Tingle does appear in would remove him from those games and have whatever roles he does play given to someone else for that reason.
Uh huh. I think it's a bit of a pull to assume he's supposed to be a gay coded instead of just being a loon. Also him pining for women is a big part of Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love. Edit: Reread the original comment and realized you brought up him being attracted to women.
Definitely! I think also back then there was this huge homophobic stigma that if people were gay there were also automatically predators. Really awful, so I think a lot of western audiences saw Tingle as this harmful stereotype, particularly in MM and WW where he is an adult speaking to a child main character.
Wind waker and Four Swords Adventures introduced Tingle's greed which eventually became the basis for Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland. If you were going to break Tingle away from his map maker identity for a Breath of the Wild-style game, then focusing on his greed would be a perfect avenue to take him down.
I've mostly been indifferent to Tingle in general. Japan has this sort of love for the kind of wackiness that Tingle brings, while the characterization of Tingle is something that's not very fondly looked upon; weird 35 yo dude dresses in weird skin-tight clothes plays with balloons and thinks he's a fairy is usually something western audiences don't think too positively of. Understanding this really brings to light the duality between eastern love and western hate for the character. I don't particularly mind if he appears in other games since Zelda tends to always have characters like that present in some form or another. Even in Twilight Princess, the "most serious" Zelda title had those clown dudes at Lake Hylia and then there was Malo Mart as well. Zelda while showing off some serious and dark themes also has that heir of whimsy that characters like Tingle bring to the table. That said I also wouldn't miss him if he doesn't come back either.
Tingle is one of those cases where the Japanese audience loves him as whimsical and fun while the Western audience hates him and considers him a manchild. There’s a TVTropes on it called Americans Hate Tingle.
Another thing about spinoffs, straying from the subject, people were heavily speculating about a Zelda spinoff title which it’s just Princess Zelda, no Link, no Ganon(dorf). Princess Peach: Showtime is the first time in a Mario universe game that had no other familiar characters in the series present besides Peach and a handful of Toads. Prior to the announcement of Echoes of Wisdom, folks like myself were devising ideas for a “Princess Zelda-only” spinoff. Then, guess what? The idea becomes a mainline entry with Zelda in “vanilla” status. But that’s not the important part. It’s reported that the player still has to play as Link. How the approach of playing both Link and Zelda is going to play out remains a mystery until the game releases. Bottom line, Echoes is not going to be a Zelda-only game. Sure there’s the prologue in the trailer where we play as Link, but the rest of the game isn’t just Zelda. So… so much on that concept… What’s bizarre is that despite Zelda being on a similar tier status as Mario, the series doesn’t seem to have room for an abundance of spinoffs in the same capacity as Mario. The only things close for worldwide audiences are Hyrule Warriors, Cadence of Hyrule, and Smash Bros. But no “Tingle’s Mansion”, no “Ganon’s Minions”, no “Princess Zelda: Showdown”? Ok, I made up these titles, but c’mon, Nintendo. I’m still hopeful that we might get to have the Zelda-only spinoff we were cooking ideas for before Echoes, but whatever is Zelda-related has to be mainline… and probably in approaches many fans will disapprove. Should this spinoff be taken into consideration, I just want Princess Zelda as my favorite Meteor Heel stomping troll I know and love in Smash Ultimate to be given full-fledged characterization and fleshed-out personality. And seeing as Nintendo has recently been putting out Japan-exclusive titles overseas, we might get the Tingle games in similar fashion.
Tingle was weird and creepy from the very beginning and even when i was a kid when i first saw him in Majora's Mask he seemed like the kind of adult that Link should stay away from. I hated him in Windwaker. Finding out the last part of the game was a fetch quest for Tingle was one of the biggest let downs in a Zelda game. I'm not sorry to see him gone.
I love Tingle! I had a letter demanding (in comedic fashion) an American release of Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland published in Nintendo Power. They compared me to Dragon Ball fans in terms of fanaticism. I later imported a European copy, as well as a copy of Tingle's Balloon Fight. That said... you're right about the main challenge bringing him back now game design wise. I think he could easily make do with some weird side quest though. A treasure hunt where his maps are as eccentric as he is, perhaps?
Its a small thing but technically, Twilight Princess was actually the last time we saw Tingle, he runs the grappling game in Castle Town... well technically the character is called Purlo but if you really take the time to look at him the resemblance is basically on point, flamboyant outfit with a green hood that covers the everything but his face, a Beauty mark/mole and his blue pocket-watch. Ive been meh with Tingle, don't like him but I don't hate him either, hes just a weird dude doing weird things, I guess he's a case of doesn't translate well, since 35 year old dudes with hyperfxations isn't seen as something comical in the west and more as creepy and pathetic. I think Kilton and Koltin may be the spiritual successors to tingle, grown up dudes with particular weird obsessions, being monsters and blupees respectively, and you could argue that what happens with Koltin would have been the natural conclusion to Tingle, maybe he did find a way to become a fairy.
In a potential third installment of the BotW Zelda series I'd like to see a traveling tingle, see him in a blimp mapping out a new land. Possibly Termina or maybe the ground shifts and much of hyrule ascends to the depths making a new world. Just replace towers and use Tingle instead.
I didn't have any strong feelings about tingle in majora's mask, he's a man child but I don't find that particularly funny on its own. But they made him a little mean in wind waker and minish cap irt his relationship with his brothers, so I started liking him less then. Not to the point of hatred, just not really into his whole shtick
Hated Tingle, but I hate Twilight Princess more. Everyone begged to "finally have a dark Zelda", but the game was just bland, stale and sometimes empty while pretending to be full. Meanwhile, in Majora's Mask, a Deku creature has it's soul sucked out of it's body, a Goron hero died, a Zora had it's babies kidnapped by pirates and dies right in front of you, some guy gets turned into a kid and has his marriage ruined, the moon is about to crash into the planet while people are worried if they're going to die.
People complain about how safe and sanitary Nintendo was following the Wii and DS, but then demand weirdos like Tingle don't show up. My favorite Nintendo stuff is either weirdly dark, or completely oddball.
It would’ve been interesting if Tingle was in TOTK. You’re flying around in the sky islands and see a man floating in a red balloon, and you have to shoot him down, talk to him, and buy special gear or maps to the Depths. In any case, perhaps Kilton and Kolton are descendants of Tingle since they are all little goblin-looking halflings that have a strange obsession with ethereal creatures…Kilton wants to be a monster, Kolton wants to be a Satori, and Tingle wants to be a fairy. They also all make deals with Link for special items.
I've always found it hilarious that the first place you find him in Wind Waker is prison
Tingle once sold me the Fierce Deity Mask in a randomizer. How can you hate him?
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@@linkspokemon4114 that's not the point dork
I think I speak for many of us when I say: "Tingle tingle kooloo limpah!"
HEY, HE SAID NOT TO STEAL THOSE WORDS
THOSE ARE _HIS_ MAGIC WORDS, HOW DARE YOU STEAL THEM
I like your funny words, magic man.
Tingle may not be the fan favorite, but certainly didn't deserve to be bullied out of existence like that.
he got his own game series as a send off and cameos ever since
He definitely did because he fucking sucks
He's the kind of character that I hate, but that I LOVE to hate, ya know?
It's like Navi. Sure, she's obnoxious, and despite being your supposed helper she's pretty much never remotely helpful, but OoT wouldn't be the same without her, ya know?
I hate having to look at Tingle's face, or his body squeezed into that skin-tight suit, but I can't help but love him in spite of it. The only thing more painful that having to look at Tingle is not getting to see him at all.
Yeah, I honestly don't really like silliness just for the sake of being silly in video games (or in anything, honestly) but tingle never really bothered me. He's just absurdist enough to be funny or something, hahaha.
Oh, yes he did. Hate that little twerp.
I always thought Koltin and Kilton were supposed to be the new versions of Tingle. It seemed especially more apparent with Kilton. He is this strange looking older little man witn an obsession with turning into a blupee. That's practically the definition of Tingle but with a fairy instead.
Plus, if you take their names and reverse the syllables, you get Tinkol and Tonkil. Names being different but similar like that was a common thing in these new games.
I thought of them as the replacement too! Major Tingle energy
That makes 0 sense
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@@morziahnichols7787 lol you don’t like Tingle energy? How bout Tingle vibes?
@@Wheeliam_Ironside This tingles my Tingle
Tingle got cancelled
We dont talk about tingles tweets from 2013
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Always liked Tingle ever since his debut, he was a weird idiot who just struck a cord with me, he didn't have to be a brave handsome hero, or a majestic beautiful princess to stand out, he just had to be himself, so what if he was different, he loved himself and just wanted to bring others happiness... ..not counting David Jr....
Better to be a lovable weird idiot than a forgettable side character.
Never liked him, but he grew on me.
Things just aren't the same without him.
And he isn't really an idiot. He's actually an unorthodox genius who's living life the best way he knows how. He runs his own business whilst pursuing his passion. And in Wind Waker, he's even got employees. Tingle also has approximate knowledge of many things, which are _disconcertingly_ accurate given that he has no comprehensible way of knowing anything about who or what Link is. He's got to have connections to genuinely important characters somewhere.
He is handsome thank you very much!!🎉🎉🎈🎈
Personally, I didn't mind tingle. I thought he was fine. And in majoras mask, I usually opt to take his picture for the heart piece rather than the deku kings.
Me too 🥲
Omg, you can take photo of the king????? Literally so many things I find out every day about this game
Reverse, played MM since childhood and YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF TINGLE FOR THE HEART PIECE? You really do find things out every day in this game. Wild.
I like Tingle as a character, even though his insane enslavement of his brothers in Majora's mask means he isn't always well-meaning
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I was always pretty neutral on Tingle. I didn't LIKE him growing up 'cause my tastes always leaned towards the cute and the pretty rather than the goofy and the quirky, but there was always something a little bit alienating about how visceral the hate for him was, that to me speaks to the same kind of mentality that leads to bullying and people being too scared to break the mould so they tone down their creativity to the boring and safe, and that makes me kind of sad.
I feel like he speaks to something important to Japan, the many bored middle aged officeworkers who want a bit of fantasy and fun in their lives, and that's a precious outlet that needs protecting whether I vibe with it or not.
You seem pretty dang cool
Vinny, get this guy a seat at my table
More insightfulness than I was expecting to read in a YT comment today. Well done!
I don't even know who Tingle was before I watched this video. However, I'm being completely honest with you when I say, this character just doesn't push the right buttons for me😂. I really just don't like him and I can't point a reason as to why.
But I'm not a bully as to what you were trying to hint at
Likewise.
I didn't... Like him, as such... But it wasn't like he hurt my enjoyment of the games he was in. He was harmless and I do kind of miss his presence.
In MM he was just another weirdo, it was WW that started his hatedom with the absurd prices he charges, forcing the player to get more and more money
Yeah bro why he using his brother's like slaves like that.... 😮
@@alexwalker8460 Not just his brothers. David Jr. was just some guy.
@@Kpengie David fucking jr. Nintendo were genius's back then. Nowadays we just get beedle in every game.
@@barrelrolldog but we love Beedle!
@@KaiTexel Nothing wrong with beedle. But he took our boy David jrs spot.
I always thought Tingle was super creepy.
Yeah, uh... he gave PEDO vibes, bad.
ya I as a kid I avoided him immediately when I could
I'm mostly indifferent to him. I liked his Majora's Mask characterization the best, where he comes off as amusing and endearing. In Wind Waker, I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed the Triforce Quest, but I found Tingle to be kinda creepy due to his cultist characterization. Now I don't care much for the kind of humor attached to him, where it's all about exaggerated facial expressions and uncanny character design, I feel like they already lean too hard into that in general post N64. If they could bring him back, I'd be happy if they'd make him less of a forced joke and more of a whimsical manchild trying to have magical experiences in a world that's trying to drag him down to Earth.
Yeah, he was funny just by being a different character, not as a creep with "slaves" that look like him
Rather than fully gate area maps behind him, like in Majora's Mask, perhaps he could mark locations of treasure of points or interest within the region. Things you would be able to find othwise, but are helpful nontheless.
The other thing is that Link is not associated with being a fairy like in the early 3D Zeldas
Tingle is legitimately unnerving in Windwaker since he basically has his brothers performing slave labor.
I miss Zelda quirkiness. Although master Kohga is a bit of a spiritual successor to tingle. Yakuza tingle is my head canon.
Personally I don't like Tingle, but I don't maliciously hate him.
Honestly, if Tingle needs a new role, I could think of several.
New jobs for Tingle:
1: Courier: As a mailman who delivers to his client, he can wait until either we zone into a new area, or wait until all threats are eliminated, and dispense some update in-game, or a reward that was delayed.
2: Side Quest: Since tingle fancies himself a fairy, he could have a side-quest tailored to his pursuits. We log all the Fairy Fountain locations, and doing so will allow us a new quest to unlock a new weapon, such as "The Great Fairy Sword". A weapon that will passively heal Link over time as the sword itself could have lore saying: "Quenched in the tears of the great fairy herself for the sake of protecting her mortal lover, this sword offers protection and healing to whoever wields it. Known to purge evil, and heal the sick, it is more a healing item than an actual weapon.".
3: Minigame clerk: Tingle can host a minigame shop where you can acquire unlocks, extra rupees, or more! Minigames like an archery game, a test your luck, test your sight, or even to run horse races where you can either bet on someone, or bet on yourself to win! He could run the minigames in Hyrule and say it's the family business since his family mapped out all of Hyrule.
4: Tutorial guide: Ideally in the early game as a weapon master, he'll teach us the basics of what he calls "Fairy Swordsmanship", and teaches the basic controls. He'll also teach us new ways in how to use our weapons and tools, and his school can be where you can review or re-learn mechanics you may have forgotten in the likelihood of you not playing for a while. He'll gleefully rejoice that you want to learn or re-learn something.
5: Waypoint guide: At any point, Tingle can be called to assist you by marking a waypoint you need on the map, and will hover above you or the way point. Once you reach your intended waypoint, he'll thank you for letting him help guide your path, and be on his merry way.
6: Upgrade foreman: Tingle will have his staff dressed like him, and he'll offer a service of upgrading and repairing any damaged or broken weapons or tools. He'll run the front desk, and have his staff handle the rest.
JUSTICE FOR TINGLE!
In Botw and Totk there's Tingle Island with a few goodies on it, plus as his brothers' islands as well
Dang, that IGN headline seems quite explicit. Or maybe they just meant to say THE Tingle, THE. But in German.
I noticed the Simpsons reference! Classic!
I miss Tingle.
every gaming company,team,dev,artist,writter, what have you, should make sure to do the OPPOSITE of what IGN tells you to do
What else has IGN messed up?
@@RandonPersom542 God hand and Vanquish come to mind, they even gave Demon Souls a shitty review back in the day before it was part of a "cool" series. It's mainly anything niche or games that require multiple playthroughs to get good at/ build the player's skill on or anything that presents some level of culture barrier. And nowdays anything that isn't woke and ugly will get low points with them. They don't understand games as art and only care about being part of pop culture and are too lazy to dedicate time to even beat most games that they review.
Tingle did nothing wrong.
@@bunsmasterbunny Absolutely agree. He is just a poor lowly person who wants to believe, but he believed too hard and was alone and single until unknown forces used him where he thought he had a righteous adventure in his own spin-off games.
Nintendo dropped his contract after the weird sex stuff came out
Tingle should make his return! He deserves a second chance.
Tingle was imprisoned for his war crimes.
I really don't miss the 2004-era hate indulgence
I've always hated Tingle since first meeting him in Majora's Mask. He's weird and creepy
Tingle is one of my favorite characters in ALL of Zelda and we need him back
You need mental help
@@allwoundup3574 you need mental help he’s amazing
@@allwoundup3574we NEED tingle back NOW. YOU need mental help. YOU need a lobotomy.
@@allwoundup3574YOU need mental help
@@allwoundup3574 takes one to recognize it
Who could ever hate the Hyrulean Manchild!?
Because he hits too close to home
*Ahem* Terminian is the true canon
bring back my boy tingle
He always was a weird dude
Tingle was awful in wind waker, you break him out of jail for apparently stealing a camera, he repays you by making you paying him 398 rupees for each triforce map!
I didn’t hate him growing up. I mean I definitely thought he was weird, but hate is a strong word
I miss that little guy
Justice for Tingle
I do not miss Tingle. He always gave me the creeps. Like I would not want to leave a child unsupervised in his general vicinity, if you get my meaning.
I never really though about it but yeah, Tingle is missing from the new games!
A shame since i did often enjoy his antics, hope we get him back in some way or atleast a Tingle'esque character (like Purlo in TP)
Thanks for covering this
Even though I'm the age of 35, just to emphasize how creepy this is, no fairy has come to me yet. My father tells me to grow up and act my age, but why? I prefer offending people on the streets.
I needed a patch to play the Tingle DS game in English. I think Tingle was going to have a 3DS title that got canned.
I'm an American Tingle fan. The IGN article was news to me, but I do think a number of points were missed in this video.
1) I disagree that Tingle hasn't changed much since Majora only insofar as... they frankly sabotaged him IMMEDIATELY in the next game. MM Tingle was innocent and honest. WW Tingle was a criminal who robbed a dude, extorted you for rupees, and kept a literal slave. I'm aware that wasn't the case in every case after WW, but it's baffling that they seemingly tried to lean into him being unlikeable in WW.
2) It wasn't that "Zelda fans wanted serious Zelda," it was very specifically that AMERICAN Zelda fans wanted realistic Zelda.
3) I don't know if the American problem with Tingle is that he's "weak," per se, but more specifically that he's un-manly. I wager people dislike him for being a childish adult, a flamboyant male, and a generally sexually charged character on top of it all... in addition to the damage Wind Waker probably did. Lots of things your average American tends to be squeamish/intolerant about.
I don't really agree with BotW/TotK being a cartoony or silly point in the Zelda franchise, either, but I suppose that doesn't have much to do with Tingle.
I miss the hilariously quirky characters Nintendo used to make. If you go back to OOT and just observe the NPCs, they’re all so hilariously weird. That sort of thing used to be what set Nintendo games apart, they had a ton of character and quirky ideas translating into fun game design.
I have absolutely no recollction of people hating Tingle back then. He was weird, sure, but still funny and strange enough to be an interesting character in a fantasy game. I only ever heard US game journalists complain about him lol
(But then again I'm from the EU... maybe it's one of those US-specific issues which everybody had to go with back then)
I remember being a middle schooler thinking it was so funny shooting tingle down in MM. I didn't even buy his maps, I just loved shooting his balloon haha. He probably thought I was weird and annoying. I think it would've been cool to have him back in Tears of the Kingdom seeing as they had floating chunks of land. He could've been one of the many shrine NPC's
I think it shouldn't be underestimated how much his Wind Waker role and triforce chart quest in specific created the Tingle backlash. No one particularly minded him in particular in Majora's Mask- it was far more common to hate on Majora's Mask as a whole (unthinkable nowadays). But disdain for "cartoonish" in Zelda was SO BIG in the Wind Waker era, elements like him earned people's ire in a way they didn't in past entries. I'd imagine if the history of the Zelda games was mostly the same up until Minish Cap except Wind Waker didn't exist (and that artstyle was just a handheld entry thing or something), people would have gotten significantly less worked up about Tingle.
Personally I think a lot of the anti-Tingle backlash was really stupid and borne out of overreacting to things Nintendo does as "trends in the wrong direction". Nintendo tries new things too often to trend in any direction. I don't LIKE Tingle enough to want him back but I wouldn't care if he did come back in some way.
Tingle always creeped me out.
Gave me "stranger that lures kids into a van" or "would wind up having a chat with Chris Hansen" vibes.
Fr lmao Even when I was a kid, I got a very uncomfortable pervy vibe from him... imo he definitely needed to take a seat lol
That just speaks to both of your prejudice.
@FourthSeatStudios yes. I'm prejudiced and actively discriminate against men/women who are acting creepy, wearing tights around children
@@FourthSeatStudios prejudice against a creepy person hanging out with kids is a good thing g
@@FourthSeatStudios Fucking Tingle fanboys I swear
I miss old Zelda in general
Im from the west and I always loved Tingle. Sometimes you need a character who just wants to be happy and doing his own niche thing
Can't spell Ignorant without IGN.
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Damn, I haven't thought about Tingle in a while. Hearing he was killed off by gaming chuds in the 2010's (or earlier) is really sad.
He was the perfect Zelda side character: wacky, endearing and a little off-putting
Everybody thank IGN
I remember getting shocked how articles from US wrote about Tingle, have always liked this guy since his first appearance
I didn't mind Tingle at all in MM but his WW incarnation was a bit weird and he had that godawful GBA minigame thing that also blocked me from getting all the sculptures.
Tingle reminds me of those Japanese comedy shows with men wearing costumes and doing physical tests and competing. Japan loves this crap, but I don't think it works in the West
I never hated Tingle, and I still don't hate him.
I skimmed through ALL 150+ comments to say the one word you all refused to say: *GAY.*
Even though Tingle is known to have female romantic interests, the problem in the west of the early 2000s and regrettably still to this day is homophobia. Tingle wants to be a "Fairy," but at least in western culture slang, that can be a derogatory term for a gay man. While the smear campaign by IGN was one homophobic factor, it probably came down to localization. When you consider his origin has a disapproving father involved in his decision to be a fairy, it sounds familiar to those who may be struggling to come out as openly gay, queer, etc.
I also instantly think of the classic iDubbbz moment in a Filthy Frank video: dressed in a Tingle morphsuit jumping down from a fridge *dramatic landing pause* "AH'M GAY!"
Now the flipside: his representation might be offensive to to the LGBTQIA community. Back then in the 90s and early 2000s, a character could be a one off ambiguously non-straight character for laughs. I am not saying that's how it should be, that's dog whistle bigotry. Now there would be backlash for portraying the stereoty;pes.
This is 💯 the core reason.
Indeed, I would go as far as to suspect that future remakes of games Tingle does appear in would remove him from those games and have whatever roles he does play given to someone else for that reason.
Uh huh. I think it's a bit of a pull to assume he's supposed to be a gay coded instead of just being a loon.
Also him pining for women is a big part of Ripened Tingle's Balloon Trip of Love.
Edit: Reread the original comment and realized you brought up him being attracted to women.
@@Robin_Robout Right. He wasn't supposed to be gay coded but because of cultural differences Americans will always see flamboyant behavior as gay.
Definitely! I think also back then there was this huge homophobic stigma that if people were gay there were also automatically predators. Really awful, so I think a lot of western audiences saw Tingle as this harmful stereotype, particularly in MM and WW where he is an adult speaking to a child main character.
Video: map maker
My ears: meth maker
huh? 😳
you know, Zeldas have always been dark.
@@stupled I mean, it would fit him tbh :')
@@KanityOnePieceChill yes, yes it would
Jesse Linkman? 🤔
I liked tingle! He was perfectly weird!
I always thought Tingle was funny, I remember seeing his game on the shelf at a Blockbuster many years ago (in the UK). They need to bring him back
Tingle was one of my favorite characters from all of Zelda. He was never too “in your face” in my opinion
Wind waker and Four Swords Adventures introduced Tingle's greed which eventually became the basis for Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland. If you were going to break Tingle away from his map maker identity for a Breath of the Wild-style game, then focusing on his greed would be a perfect avenue to take him down.
I've mostly been indifferent to Tingle in general. Japan has this sort of love for the kind of wackiness that Tingle brings, while the characterization of Tingle is something that's not very fondly looked upon; weird 35 yo dude dresses in weird skin-tight clothes plays with balloons and thinks he's a fairy is usually something western audiences don't think too positively of. Understanding this really brings to light the duality between eastern love and western hate for the character. I don't particularly mind if he appears in other games since Zelda tends to always have characters like that present in some form or another. Even in Twilight Princess, the "most serious" Zelda title had those clown dudes at Lake Hylia and then there was Malo Mart as well. Zelda while showing off some serious and dark themes also has that heir of whimsy that characters like Tingle bring to the table. That said I also wouldn't miss him if he doesn't come back either.
IGN is dumb we all know tingle isn't a fairy he's a goat
Thanks for putting subtitles!
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At least he made a cameo in smash bros ultimate
I found him to be just the right level of weird and annoying to be funny rather than hating him.
Tingle is one of those cases where the Japanese audience loves him as whimsical and fun while the Western audience hates him and considers him a manchild.
There’s a TVTropes on it called Americans Hate Tingle.
its gonna be funny if Tingle ends up being more important than we thought
Another thing about spinoffs, straying from the subject, people were heavily speculating about a Zelda spinoff title which it’s just Princess Zelda, no Link, no Ganon(dorf). Princess Peach: Showtime is the first time in a Mario universe game that had no other familiar characters in the series present besides Peach and a handful of Toads. Prior to the announcement of Echoes of Wisdom, folks like myself were devising ideas for a “Princess Zelda-only” spinoff. Then, guess what? The idea becomes a mainline entry with Zelda in “vanilla” status. But that’s not the important part. It’s reported that the player still has to play as Link. How the approach of playing both Link and Zelda is going to play out remains a mystery until the game releases. Bottom line, Echoes is not going to be a Zelda-only game. Sure there’s the prologue in the trailer where we play as Link, but the rest of the game isn’t just Zelda. So… so much on that concept…
What’s bizarre is that despite Zelda being on a similar tier status as Mario, the series doesn’t seem to have room for an abundance of spinoffs in the same capacity as Mario. The only things close for worldwide audiences are Hyrule Warriors, Cadence of Hyrule, and Smash Bros. But no “Tingle’s Mansion”, no “Ganon’s Minions”, no “Princess Zelda: Showdown”? Ok, I made up these titles, but c’mon, Nintendo.
I’m still hopeful that we might get to have the Zelda-only spinoff we were cooking ideas for before Echoes, but whatever is Zelda-related has to be mainline… and probably in approaches many fans will disapprove. Should this spinoff be taken into consideration, I just want Princess Zelda as my favorite Meteor Heel stomping troll I know and love in Smash Ultimate to be given full-fledged characterization and fleshed-out personality.
And seeing as Nintendo has recently been putting out Japan-exclusive titles overseas, we might get the Tingle games in similar fashion.
If you wanna be technical Tingle’s rosy rupeeland is actually in English, it was just never released in the US
They should bring Tingle back as a villain in the next game
I love Tingle's design in Minish Cap.
The pixel art, the colour variations, his little dances, it's beautiful
Tingle was weird and creepy from the very beginning and even when i was a kid when i first saw him in Majora's Mask he seemed like the kind of adult that Link should stay away from. I hated him in Windwaker. Finding out the last part of the game was a fetch quest for Tingle was one of the biggest let downs in a Zelda game. I'm not sorry to see him gone.
I love Tingle! I had a letter demanding (in comedic fashion) an American release of Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland published in Nintendo Power. They compared me to Dragon Ball fans in terms of fanaticism. I later imported a European copy, as well as a copy of Tingle's Balloon Fight.
That said... you're right about the main challenge bringing him back now game design wise. I think he could easily make do with some weird side quest though. A treasure hunt where his maps are as eccentric as he is, perhaps?
Its wild how IGN was allowed to be so blatantly homophobic with this "fruity, sexually ambiguous"
Now IGN will cancel and try to dox you for saying much less
People say he's the most hated because he's more memorable than the owl
He's one of the biggest reasons why the GCN Wind Waker is still my favourite Zelda title. It was so fun playing a real 3D Zelda game in multiplayer.
And he drained your wallet in windwaker 😂
Its a small thing but technically, Twilight Princess was actually the last time we saw Tingle, he runs the grappling game in Castle Town... well technically the character is called Purlo but if you really take the time to look at him the resemblance is basically on point, flamboyant outfit with a green hood that covers the everything but his face, a Beauty mark/mole and his blue pocket-watch.
Ive been meh with Tingle, don't like him but I don't hate him either, hes just a weird dude doing weird things, I guess he's a case of doesn't translate well, since 35 year old dudes with hyperfxations isn't seen as something comical in the west and more as creepy and pathetic.
I think Kilton and Koltin may be the spiritual successors to tingle, grown up dudes with particular weird obsessions, being monsters and blupees respectively, and you could argue that what happens with Koltin would have been the natural conclusion to Tingle, maybe he did find a way to become a fairy.
Bro like two zelda games came out without him, its not this whole grand conspiracy
tingle was my favorite video game character of all time
Anything that came before Breath of the Wild, Eiji Aonuma hates with a passion and wants purged from the franchise
In a potential third installment of the BotW Zelda series I'd like to see a traveling tingle, see him in a blimp mapping out a new land. Possibly Termina or maybe the ground shifts and much of hyrule ascends to the depths making a new world. Just replace towers and use Tingle instead.
'tis a sad fate for my favorite character in that game series, I sincerely hope that Tingle makes a fantastical return
Team Tingle!
We didn't deserve Tingle
chill voice, original videos that I will watch afterwards and nice editing. cheers
Thanks!
I didn't have any strong feelings about tingle in majora's mask, he's a man child but I don't find that particularly funny on its own.
But they made him a little mean in wind waker and minish cap irt his relationship with his brothers, so I started liking him less then. Not to the point of hatred, just not really into his whole shtick
Hated Tingle, but I hate Twilight Princess more. Everyone begged to "finally have a dark Zelda", but the game was just bland, stale and sometimes empty while pretending to be full.
Meanwhile, in Majora's Mask, a Deku creature has it's soul sucked out of it's body, a Goron hero died, a Zora had it's babies kidnapped by pirates and dies right in front of you, some guy gets turned into a kid and has his marriage ruined, the moon is about to crash into the planet while people are worried if they're going to die.
Twilight Princess is tight
People complain about how safe and sanitary Nintendo was following the Wii and DS, but then demand weirdos like Tingle don't show up. My favorite Nintendo stuff is either weirdly dark, or completely oddball.
WHY WOULD YOU KILL THE PORR FAIRY BOY TINGLE?! IGN YOU’RE A MONSTER!
He's fine I guess. I don't care if he's there.
I think there was a shift from cartoonist to serious after windwaker
I'm one of those rare people to say I want Tingle back he's amazing
I would a thousand times rather have tingle than 2nd rate voice acting, crap scriptwriting and a focus-group-tested cel-shaded art direction
It would’ve been interesting if Tingle was in TOTK. You’re flying around in the sky islands and see a man floating in a red balloon, and you have to shoot him down, talk to him, and buy special gear or maps to the Depths. In any case, perhaps Kilton and Kolton are descendants of Tingle since they are all little goblin-looking halflings that have a strange obsession with ethereal creatures…Kilton wants to be a monster, Kolton wants to be a Satori, and Tingle wants to be a fairy. They also all make deals with Link for special items.
8:00 #TeamTingle
I just assumed he's been in Rosy Rupeeland the whole time.
Team Tingle for sure
This is a great video, answered every question I had!
Thanks! Happy to hear that!
Team Tingle all the way!!! F*** IGN to the deepest darkest pits of hell for leading the campaign to remove Tingle from my Zelda games!!!!!
He was a fascinating little guy and I miss him