Tayyibi Isma'ilis: Heirs to the Fatimids
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- Опубликовано: 6 май 2021
- In this video we discuss the Tayyibi Isma'ilis, including the Dawwodi Bohras, Alavi Bohras & Sulaymanis and their history.
Don't forget to check out Hikma History: / @hikmahistory
Sources/Suggested Reading:
Daftary, Farhad (2007). "The Isma'ilis: Their History and Doctrines". Cambridge University.
Daftary, Farhad & Shainool Jiwa (ed.) (2017). "The Fatimid Caliphate: Diversity of Traditions". I.B. Tauris.
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Can’t believe how much detail you go in to niche topics! Great to collaborate with you!
Likewise! This turned out really nicely!
@@LetsTalkReligion can you cover the Indian subcontinents Sunni Schism and the Deobandi-Barelvi conflict.
Well done to you both collaborators! Very informative and educational. Thank you.
@@CD-ky4rl OMG that is hell of work and names
@@CD-ky4rl yeah yeah and turn this great channel to a war zone...get lost you Shaitan! Eat your popcorns else where
Sir you have really taught me about my religion more than any other person. You are a very intellectual, knowledgable and unbiased person. Sending love from Pakistan ❤
Nice information. We have lived between the Dawoodi Bohras for a long time. As a Muslim we find them memorizing Quran and practicing Islam like you said praying in mosque. Mourning on the Prophets grandson Husain is one thing they do very regularly. As a social person we see them helping us in society hygiene & plantation. They also run a community kitchen which delivers food to every bohra 6 days a week ..
You don't know reality bro. It's a cult. From outside looks beautiful but inside it's pathetic.
Excellent video! As a Dawoodi Bohra I never expected to see my faith explored on your channel! Just a couple notes though about our community:
While you are right we render 5 prayers a day, standard practice is to do them at 3 times: the fajr prayer stands alone, and we pray the asr immediately after zuhr, and Isha almost immediately after Maghrib. If one wanted to they could pray 5x a day, but the standard practice is more convenient and encouraged! It’s a small nuance but an important one, I think.
Another note is that the Dawoodi Bohra presence stretches well beyond India/Pakistan. While the majority of our 500k-1m adherents live in the Subcontinent, we have communities in East Africa, North America, UK, EU, Australia and more numbering in the thousands to 10s of thousands each. I’m personally an American, and we have populations scattered across the country, with our largest mosques being in TX and CA.
In any case, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the additions! Glad you liked the video for the most part!
Does your mosque talk about the cosmology of 10 intellects?
@@Giantcrabz most of the publicly-facing preaching really deals with more grounded concepts about history, fiqh, the importance of the Imams and Da’is, remembrance of Hussain, etc. while the more esoteric aspects of philosophy are covered in higher learning and rarely fleshed out in preaching. It’s not wholly inaccessible, but to get to the guided study of those texts one must go through the guided study of more basic texts first (like Nauman’s Daim al Islam), which means that a full understanding of Bohra esotericism requires a whole lot of time and effort.
Who is yours imam at now?
@@abf3948he is in stories:)
Wow!!! Beautifully presented and researched. I’m from the Dawoodi Bohra community and indeed our history is rather complicated and not easy to represent and you’ve done a great job here. Very enjoyable and educational videos. Keep up the great work!!!!
I'm a Nizari Ismaili and I love this video! Great informative video. Much love to all of you!
Very well researched and put. :) Bohri here from Mumbai, India.
Names like hatim murtaza zainab batool are exclusive bohri names
Very informative video! We have many Bohra people living with us here in Pune, India. Always wanted to know more about them. Thanks a ton and may God bless you!
One of best friends from high school and my first exposure to Islam was Dawoodi Bohra. Large enough that there are only two mosques here and one is Dawoodi Bohra.
Totally love your work. Objective, respectful and highly accurate, you shed light on religion in a way that keeps people coming back for more.
Been waiting for this video for a long time! I am a Dawoodi Bohra myself and the detail you go into is amazing! Very impressed.
@@CCCP_Again Brother, my religion is Islam, my beleifs are Tayyabi Ismaili.
@@CCCP_Again i think you mean *Sects
Thank you, these videos on small religious groups are always facinating and thorough, they shed light on people and doctrines I would have a hard time finding elsewhere.
That's the idea! Glad it comes across!
@@LetsTalkReligion good work. I am Ph.D. in Theology. I like all your work. Bless you.
I saw you comment on the Architect of Games' video about the "Holy Trinity" and now you're here. Weird coincidence...
finally, my peoples! thanks once again for your unwavering dedication & top notch knowledge while covering my religion. as many others, I've learned so much more from you than I ever did growing up in & outside of my religious institution.
I can second that .
Finally! Someone explains this in an orderly fashion. Thanks!
As Nizari Shia Ismaili I appreciate your work and research you have that is amazing
Appreciate all your great work Filip! You have made emphasis on describing most of the Doctrines of Shia branches of Islam.
Bohras are great people, loved learning more about them . Thank you for this great video , keep up the be the good work 👍
I have learned so much through your lectures. Much appreciated, keep up the good work
Amazing community and they founded Al-Azhar University, the oldest, most prestigious university globally for Islamic learning today.
@S A Aga Khanis as a term did not exist at that time and their is a dispute whether a direct lineage exists with Al-Mu'izz li-Din Allah (died 975) 4th Fatimid Caliph who ordered the construction in Cairo.
@S A You are getting confused with Al-Azhar Park. The University is strictly a Sunni institution with no connection to Fatimids since 12th century.
@S A This is 2021, not 10th century... Al-Azhar Mosque & Al-Azhar University University are completely Sunni Islam affiliation today.... No Shia or Ismaili influence there today...
Ayyubid dynasty & Ottoman Empire turned it completely Sunni and it still Sunni affiliation...
@@milliyetci5672I second, Al -Azar university was present during Shia Ismaili rule too during the Fatima’s era as well and thus they co-opted the university with a Shia twist for the time they were in power.
Awesome.. I can only imagine the amount of research done to make this wonderful documentary.. Kudos bro 👍🏻👍🏻
I am Indian and didn't know anything about Dawoodi bhoras until I met my husband. And thanks to this video, I know even more about about his name even 😀
im a shi'i of ithna ashari (twelver), but i think the histories and beliefs of our isma'ili siblings are very interesting. very well-done and engaging video as always !
Ismailis are my favorite branch of Islam.
Strange choice
Mine too! Especially the Nizaris.
Fake müslīms
@@chrisbrownaz why is that??
Why is that??
As always great informative video Filip. Being myself Shia Imami Nizari Ismaili all I have ever hoped and pray for Muslims is to be united regardless of sect and not only Muslims in fact entire human race.
InshAllah
Yam bro!
Uniting human race is extremely difficult, unless if you're bribing every human with money or social clouts
But in good will, one can always have to unite (or mayhaps to bring together) every Muslim into common causes and grounds
Not to hound you but how does one become Nizari Ismaili I always thought they were secret.
@@vannakinder352you donate AT LEAST 1/8th of your income at least
and pray 3 times a day praising the name of our living imam who states that without donating to him we, his “children” are not worth dust in his speech.
Thank you filip for yet another informative video.
Love all your videos ❤️! Can you please cover Jaafar Al-Sadiq and his connection to Sufism?
That would indeed be an interesting topic;Jafar-as Sadiq is such a fascinating personality.
Very informative and a good attempt to explain a very complex subject in a short video
Great information, always helpful. Keep up the excellent work.
Beautifully explained... I have no words ... May God bless you brother ... ❤️❤️
Love the simplified explanation. Thank you
excellent!! for me the best part was 15:36 on. While the the Bohras are a visible social group, its the theological underpinnings that is most interesting and presented by you. As you mentioned this info is not very accesible but kudos to you for bringing this out.
I've been binging your videos. This is such a great resource. I'd be really interested in an analysis of how these schisms have been changed by increased communication and intra-region migration today. I grew up in a church denomination in the rural southeast that traditionally had highly polemical views towards basically all other Christian denominations, but movement of people around the states and telecommunications today in some ways brings that denomination a lot closer to broader American evangelical thought. I'd imagine theres a ton of similarly interesting dynamics happening throughout the whole of humanity right now.
Deep research and well explained.
Excellent presentation.
Thank you so much. I am Muslim and I learn from you about Islam more than muslin scholars. You are doing something good. Keep it up! 😊
Tbh yes bc they refuse to acknowledge other schools of thought especially if they are Shia. Muslim scholars tbh make me scared of me own faith besides we need to remember who gatkeeps scholars.
They're self proclaimed scholars, what they really want is to turn people into obedient sheep.
Honestly yes, I say this as someone who is arab they want to not only homogenize Islam but put forth a form of Arab supremacy.
@@vannakinder352 they work for the "sultan money" aka al saud,, and with bias to what they believe is true while the world is bigger than their understanding/opinions even if and that's a big if, they came from pure intentions let alone hypocritical biases.
It angers me bc in my opinion sultan money funds several shiaphobia media outlets and is complicit in Shia genocide. It just makes me angry bc we need to remember who gave the Sultan the power? 🇬🇧🇺🇸
I love you so much sir..., I've learned so much. keep up the awesome work!
Rekindled my love of researching religious studies
i really like your videos, i hope someday you will make videos about kharijites and alevism in turkey. these are the two topics i been curious about
You have the best in-depth videos I've found on the history of Islam! I'd love to see you cover the Ahmadiyya
I say this as a non-Ahmadiyya there is a lot of gross videos made on them by salafists or western idiots.
Finally, someone addresses the mysteries of our Bohra faith! I just feel like we are a secretive culture, and need to be more extroverted as a whole. We have achieved much, but have been separated from the world because of the lack of trust we have in outsiders, as we have always been on edge, subject to violence and genocide. We went from an aggressive, but secular martial culture to a pacifist and trade-oriented one, and need to look into the future and better adapt to the world that we live in, as it is forever changing. These are words coming from a Dawoodi Bohra currently studying in Dernmark.
I respect all the bohras
Those Dais are intentionally keeping you isolated so you don't explore beyond what you are being told. It's a bloody cult that too a meek one.
So many Bohras are poor but that Dai is living in luxury, if it were upto these greedy Dais they will take money for every breath you take.
Superb video describing the religion. Very good research work.
My fav. Channel💙
This has nothing to do to with this topic but please do a video on the samaritans! I love your channel, thank you for dedicating so much time to this.
In Pakistan, we have Shia Ithna Asharya, Shia Ismaili Bohras and Shia Ismaili Agha Khanis. The Shias are nearly 20% of Pakistani population while the majority is Sunni Hanafi.
@@julinaonYT There are no statistics by sects or denominations since all the Muslims are counted as one group. Shia percentage is just best guess.
@@julinaonYT Salafis r only a few percent, said around 5 % whereas Sufis or Bralvis r in majority around 55-60% rest r the Deobundis.
@@julinaonYT those are all just Sunni. I wouldn’t call those separate sects.
@pravar chaturvedi He is a barelvi among sunnis.
@@mahvishabedi4373sect census has never happened. Also, due to persecution majority of shias aren’t open about it. So it’s hard to know the actuality.
I myself being a Dawoodi Bohra attest to the factual correctness of your work.
Ap kaha sai ho mai nizari ismaili hu bohar kitna hai dunya mai
@@MRBaiggaming bohras are around 2.5 million in world
Great Video. I myself an Alavi Bohra. Thanks for thorough research.
Hope to see your take on Abdul Qadir Gilani. I think you covered many aspects of largest sufi tariqas. Qadiri is lacking. Keep up the good work!
Amazing as always - please do one on Vaishnavisim! Specifically from the gujarat region!
Would you ever consider doing similar kinds of videos diving deep into the history and practices for Christian, Jewish or Buddhist denominations?
Yes!
@@LetsTalkReligion
@@LetsTalkReligion do a video about Eastern Orthodoxy
Honestly as a 🇱🇧☪️ I am fascinated the fact most of the first Christians are largely orthodox (even the first ✝️ In south India).
i love your videos! please do more videos on niche branches of major religions
I've seen a Dawoodi Bohra pray next to me. It's interesting, as I'm a Shi'a (Twelver). He wore a bandana, then stands and does a left/right glance (like tasleem but standing up), while dangling his hands.
I mean it looked weird, but I'm sure there is a reason behind their practice.
Perhaps a Dawoodi Bohra in the chat could enlighten us about this practice?
@@glurppuffloid9796 I think, I think...if I'm not mistaken when they say the iqamat for prayer the part where they call for "Hayya ala al salat" (turn right) "hayya ala al falaah" (turns left).
Again. Could be completely mistaken here forgive me. I hope a Dawoudi Bohra can explain it.
@@rhizoidx You are not mistaken, we do look towards the right when reciting "Haya ala As-Salat" and left while reciting "Haya ala Al-Falah".
That is indeed what is done in Azaan and Iqamah. The word Hayya-al-as-Salaat and Hayya-al-al-Falaah are said twice when looking towards the right and left respectively. The dangling hands is more like taking the niyyat for namaaz and then raising hands parallel to ears and recite Allahu-Akbar and begin the namaaz.
@@Husainbhinder02 thanks for explaining bro. 🙏
Admirable as always
Great presentation, I love it. please make further elaborated work on ten intellect concept for further clarity. thanks in advance.
I am a Sulemani. I liked watching this video. Thank you.
I am Dawoodi Bohra almost ur cover all things great job 💐
Every sect/community of a religion was so deep n integrated was never heard of. Why/where/when was it formed is also understood. Religions n its linkages to small sub branchs could be so complicated was never thought. Thanks a lot .....👌👌👍👏🌹☺️
Great video. Learned a lot
Brilliant Research!!🙏
Awesome videos! I am hooked! Can you please do videos on Ibn taymiyyah and his influence on Salafism/Wahabism. Also, the evolution of the concept of God in early Christianity with the council of Nicea
I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL
To clarify 13:40
Dawoodi Bohra's: We pray thrice a day
Fajr, Zohar/Asar combined, and Maghrib/Isha combined
Great information!
Fantastic video! It would be super informative if you'd explore Alevi-Bektashi and Bektashi branches as well. I think it is a fascinating part of Islam's historical as well as philosophical development during the Ottoman Empire!
To my knowledge it is actually just as large and has been just as persecuted as ahmadiyya but never talked about.
@@vannakinder352 The Kurdish Alevis were persecuted, while the more "Turkish" ones (akin to The Bektashis) were esteemed in high ranks, Jannisary Corps being the foremost example of veneration in The Ottoman Dynasty
@@ohamatchhams Not really the Kurds who were persecuted were Zazas however the PKK is not made of Zazas and they try to act as separatists in fact a lot of monasteries excommunicate people who assert Alevis are separate. A good example is an Alevi Cemevi that is 40 minutes away from where I live which denounced them.
Very informative video
Thanks for uploading informative video and came to understand that Bohra religion also have the concept of " Esoteric concept " as Ismailism.
I know that Alevi Shiite have same belief yet way different traditions.
Yes, Ismailis (to an extent) as well Alevis and Alawites have differing beliefs even as far as to say hell doesn't necessarily exist.
Hi ive been looking through your videos and i really wanted one about the history and the system of hadiths. That would be a great video
Watch his video on Quranists he discusses it a bit
DEFINITELY THIS^^^ AND IT BEING REVEALED ACROSS 33 YEARS AND MUHAMMAD “HAVING” divine revelations all throughout.
Can you do an episode on American (black) Islam? It would be super interesting to delve into a contemporary branch of the religion
You mean the Nation of Islam? You shouldn’t confuse black Muslims with the Nation of Islam.
@@boygenius538_8 the nation of islam are black muslims....
@@boygenius538_8 Yes there are people who even conflate just African-American Muslims with automatically being NOI when that is incredibly rude.
Excellent research
All the Dawoodi Bohras I know, pray 3 times a day 🤔 And there is an important diaspora of Dawoodi Bohras in Eastern Africa (Madagscar, Kenya, etc.) and, since these are ex-French and ex-British colonies, there is also an important diaspora of Dawoodi Bohard from Africa to Europe, mostly in France and UK
Hi! We do not pray 3 times a day. We pray 5 times a day but we club (Zohar and Asar) and (Maghrib and Isha) into one. Yes! you are correct about the East African and European diaspora. We also have a huge presence in the Middle East and North America. But most of us Speak Lisan- Ul - Dawat which Filipe had mentioned originated from various Indian languages, so I believe that we have migrated to these parts of the world very recently from India.
Would you consider doing a video on the ancient Harranians? I find them fascinating.
This video didn't bring clarity about the branches, groups, sub-groups, continuity lines of the Ismailites...but that would probably be a hopeless undertaking
Where do you read all this stuff from? Can you please recommend some books where start with History of Islam? Do a book recommendation video please.
Watched ur ibadi vedio very nicely explained man but have a complain u don't add list of sources in every vedio & if possible plz add as more sources as u could that will further add credibility to ur vedios.
Again thanks watching regularly ur vedios.
Very nice video!
Wonderful video
Very well explained !
Very informative and interesting....
I have known u since u had 2k subscribers, can you please make a video on Jerusalem the entire history of it and its monuments and structures in a chronological order. Plzzzz.
What is the place in the thumbnail?
What did you study at university? I’m going to study politics philosophy and economics but I love your channel and I find the religious philosophies really interesting
Hey homie I was wondering if you had considered making a video on rastafari
The credit of renovation of al anwar ,jame lulua ...and many more goes to dawoodi bohra
Informative
Minor Resurrection sounds like a metal band.
Pure knowledge 🔥 awesome video
Mashallah , well spoken .
What is the correlation between Alawi Bohras and Alawiyin Sunni in Yammen?
Very Knowledgeable Researcher
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Okay. That metaphysical scheme is intricate
Will you give any video in late future after completing hindu-bauddha history to kolkata the religious influence of these two religions on the southeast and east asia and also in western asia (if there is any evidence)
You Taught me my religion in depth than anybody on RUclips🙏 and you have such quality content and may allah bless you.
#LetsTalkReligion
#DawoodiBohra
Nice 👍🏽
Waiting for your video about the most influential religious minority in the muslim world. I mean those genuine muslims who are today leading a powerful messianic struggle From Tehran to East Jerusalem.
Asna Ashari ?
Quranists?
vanna kinder “Twelver Shia”
20:45 Can you please clarify if the painting used at the mentioned time stamp has some sort of Fatemid Origin or is it a random painting with it's painter being an anonymous artist?
BTW Excellent video, almost covered the Basics of this Islamic faction, and i believe that you must be aware that the esoteric teachings of Taiyabi-Dawoodi-Shias are almost impossible to pen down, as it's an endless ocean of Wisdom, Spirituality & Worldly Knowledge with 'Secrecy' being it's foundational tenet. ❤🇮🇳❤
Abdullah ibn Muhammad passed away in 2015. Ali Ibn Hasan is the current Da’i based in Najran, Saudi Arabia.
Very good knowledge of the Shiate Religion
Please also explore the philosophies in the Upanishads!
Do you know Ivan Aguéli ? A swedish muslim sufi and painter with a short but very interesting life, he is more or less at the roots of the Ibn Arabi studies in the west, you could like him ! Thanks for all your videos btw
Correction: I'm from the same community and the Dawah in India began during the 14th Fatimid Imaam Hakim bi Amrilaah.
Are you ismailis Ikram?
That Celestial scheme is more complicated than the one in lord of the rings.
Which one in The Lord of the Rings?
And this was the short version
@@corsaircaruso471 Tolkien was himself largely interested in theology and he actually wrote theological treateses/mystical stories about Middle Earth that can be found for example in the Silmarilion. Of course it is a question to what extent this reflects for example his personal beliefs but in principle it looks like this: In the begining there was one god, the Eru which means "the one" that creates beings of light called Ainur for him to sing and glorify him. Those beings then sing heavenly music that becomes the source of all creation. One of the Ainur stands in confrontation to the others as a solo voice and that is the greatest of them, Melkor. Melkor's individualism makes the music more beautiful but it also makes Melkor believe that he is better than the others which later corrupts him. When the music is finished Eru sends out the Ainur to create the world for his children, the Elves and the Men and the Ainur gain physical bodies from their creation which reflects their nature becoming Valar. Because the nature of Melkor is now evil he becomes a being of fire and ice, the great enemy, Morgoth. Thus the history of the world is the struggle between the Valar (there are also less powerful beings called Maiar) and the Morgoth that ends in great judgement where the song and the creation become one again and beings such as Balrogs, Sauron or Gandalf are actually light-created angels that gained bodies that reflected their nature.
I hope this has told you something more about Tolkienology.
@Michael Fox I don't think I did. Yeah, his linguistic knowledge was amazing to be sure and there are many interesting things about his writing that has influenced a whole generation of other writers but I personally kinda make fun of Tolkienologists (there are actual peer reviewed journals focused on Tolkien exclusively and shit) that they take literature too seriously, which is probably a little too rich from somebody who researches modern Japanese literature.
@@TheoEvian The 14 Valars is eerily resembling The 14 Infallibles in Twelver Shi'a Islam
Beautiful video as usual, Bohra community are by far most liberal, tolerant and modern ethnic group in Islam... As against most commonly held western view of extremist Islam...
Nice video , u r very thorough👍
Plz upload a video regarding visistha Advaita of Ramanuja and how it differs from Advaita Philosophy of Shankar..
Working on it!
@@LetsTalkReligion Would you consider making explanation videos regarding Mahayana and Vajrayana's concepts of Adi-Buddha, 5 Celestial Buddhas and 8 Mahasattvas?
Esoteric Buddhism is something which many Theravada Buddhists tries to avoid or straight-up deny, at least to my personal experiences at reading Theravada vs Mahayana traditions on the internet