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What is Shia Islam? - The Isma'ilis
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- In this second part in our series about Shia Islam, we explore the esoteric Isma'ilis, their history and Neoplatonist-influenced theology.
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Music by Filip Holm
Sources/Recomended Reading:
Amir-Moezzi, Mohammad Ali (1994). "The Divine Guide in Early Shi'ism: The Sources of Esotericism in Islam". Translated by David Streight. State University of New York Press.
Amir-Moezzi, Mohammad Ali (2011). "The Spirituality of Shi'i Islam: Beliefs and Practices". I.B. Tauris.
Andani, Khalil (Forthcoming). "The Moden Resurrection of Nizari Ismaili Islam: The Reforms of the Aga Khans". In "The Oxford Handbook of Islamic Reform" (ed. Emad Hamdeh & Natana Delong-Bas). Forthcoming.
Badakhchani, S. Jalal (Edited and Translated by) (2005). "The Paradise of Submission: A Medieval Treatise on Ismaili Thought". A New Persian Edition and English Translation of Tusi's Rawda-yi Taslim". The Institute of Isma'ili Studies. I.B. Tauris.
Daftary, Farhad (2007). "The Isma'ilis: Their history and doctrines". Cambridge University Press.
Haider, Najam (2014). "Shi'i Islam: An Introduction". Cambridge University Press.
Ormsby, Eric (Translated by) (2012). "Between Reason and Revelation: Twin wisdoms reconciled". An annotated English translation of Nasir-i Khusraw's Kitab-i Jami al-hikmatayn. The Institute of Isma'ili Studies. I.B. Tauris.
Virani, Shafique N. (2020). "Hierohistory in Qadi l-Nu'man's Foundation of Symbolic Interpretation (Asas al-Taw'il): the Birth of Jesus". In "Studies in Islamic Historiography (Edited by Sami G. Massoud). Brill.
A good source for Isma'ilism is also Isma'ili Gnosis: ismailignosis.com/
#Islam #ismaili #esoteric
00:00 Intro
02:49 Imamate & the origins of shi'ism
11:07 The Fatimid Empire
19:22 Isma'ili theology
30:50 Prophecy/Revelation
36:05 Esotericism & Ta'wil
46:48 Isma'ili Law & Jurisprudence
52:00 The Nizari Isma'ilis
56:19 The Aga Khan(s) & Contemporary Isma'ilism
1:00:48 Concluding words
NEVER EVER I’ve seen any non-Ismaili articulating our Ismaili belief system, history, & fundamentally who we are in such a coherently accurate manner. Highly impressed & very thankful for putting this out there.
you're going to hell
We're All Muslims whether we know it or not.
Is he non Ismaili?
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Another highly recommended lecture, jazakallah khair
The founder of Pakistan, M.A Jinnah was born in a Ismaili family and continued to cherish his Ismaili heritage till death although he took a more non-sectarian persona to leader a population with Sunni Muslim majority. Today, Ismailis are major shareholders in the financial, philanthropic and political landscape of Pakistan.
Yes, but his father or grandfather had converted to twekver Shia Islam of which he too was a believer in.
Jinnah would be so disappointed in today's state of PK
@@kuro758indeed
You are a liar
You are ignorant. Quaid e Azam coverted to real Shia Islam. In fact he invited sultan aga khan to stop misleading ismailis.
It is nice seeing both shiites and sunnis not fighting and actually wanting to learn from each other. It is time we get past the animosity.
Shias😂😂😂
Blessed are the 320 people watching it live at the moment. With lots of love ❤️ from India .
I have Ismaili family members and it just dawned on me that I'm almost totally ignorant on their core beliefs and history, I appreciate your videos as this will help me build a stronger understanding of my loved ones
They're non-Muslim. Doesn't really matter if you're ignorant of something false.
According to the Amman message, they are in the Ja'fari school of thought and are considered Muslims, by he ummah, scholarship and governments alike.
The Amman Message, which was issued on 9 November 2004 (27th of Ramadan 1425 AH) by King Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein of Jordan, called for tolerance and unity in the Muslim world. Subsequently, the "Amman Message" Conference took place in Amman, Jordan on 4-6 July 2005, and a three-point declaration was issued by 200 Muslim academics from over 50 countries.
Also they have collectively done more charitable works for all people of all faiths and have demonstrated purity of thought and heart more so than the extremists you are used to, most likely.
@@snakejuceand you have given yourself the authority to say that? You will be held to account for what you do on this earth, please remember that.
@@pradeepsinghm Shane Glosnek, are you a Muslim?
If you were a Muslim, you would know what Islam is and what it isn't. You would have studied Islamic history and seen how the "shia" group developed by a Judeo man named Abdallah Ibn Saba. Someone even Imam Ali himself BANNED FROM HIS PRESENCE instead of execution.
Why did he ban him? Because this man formed a cult that turned Ali into a deity. His group was called Shii'at Ali. Meaning Allies of Ali.
Please, next time if you have no knowledge on a matter I suggest you research it or ask questions.
@@snakejuce you are non-muslim,we are not. May Allah guide you rto the right path.(ameen)
What an amazing video i have genuinely so much to learn about the isma'ilis, as kids we'd always be given sensationalistic generalizations of different sects of Islam in order to downplay or worse ridicule and excommunicate based on their differences and this in turn breeds hate and ignorance so i commend you greatly for sharing this with all of us and hopefully this can make some heads think critically of their presuppositions.
Thank you! I totally agree!
Islam has no secrets ! Just a higher understanding . I practice the Sufi form of Islam , having a direct and personal relationship with Allah, the Great GOD ! connection
Ismailis & Shiaas are non-Muslims. No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it will NEVER become a truth.
Lil ignant somali child painting Islam in a dark light so he can fit in with the rest of class. The inferiority complex some of you children have is mind-blowing.
Your YT bio reads: "Im an avid Vapourwave addict and Opium enjoyer. Need i say more.... Cheers my friends. 🌬🌌💫" 😂😂🤡 You jahils are hilariously ignorant.
@khabibgt6688 Your Sunni beliefs are inherently filled with paradoxes that even a young child can notice. Muawiyah who was appointed by the third Caliph through nepotism as the governor of Syria rebelled against Ali R.A. and sought to take the caliphate as his own and turn it into a hereditary Ummayyid dynasty. Yet you claim such actions were just following the Sunnah of the prophet. How brain dead can an ideology be to commemorate BOTH sides of the conflict and claim that BOTH were righteous? Unlike you I won't claim that Sunnis are not muslim but they certainly have been led astray into commemorating the very Munafiqin which the Quran condemns. Praising the literal murderers of the Ahlul Bayt is the end result of your deviated sect.
Even as an İsmaili I have come back to this video a few times. Pretty well researched and presented.
so you generally recognized Fatimid desended Imams as the leaders of your religious community?
can you explain the emergence of Aga Khan? how come there is no other desendent of the Fatimids
show up to compete for the position of Imams
@@Laurence0227present Aga khan is the descendant of Fatimid imams. Aga khan is a title given to his forefathers 3 generations back.
@@abelievingchristian
What do you mean?
Means Aga Khan is a Persian title given by him by the Iranian king fateh Ali Shah qajar@@Laurence0227
@Laurence0227 there are other dependents of the fatimidas as well like the dai's of bohra community
As a 12er shii , I'm absolutely stunned by the philosophical ideas Ismail Theologists have brought to the religion.
I really had no idea, unfortunately. But thanks to you, like always, I have learned many new things today.
Thank you so much for your deep researches, I really can't thank you enough 🙏🏼
hell is waiting for you
At 57 minutes the Aga Khan has abrogated a lot of islam plus this is very likely a sponsored program
@Ruslan Sadayev
Sunni kafir
@Ruslan Sadayev
Look up Aisha sexual tales 💀
Shia are non-muslim. But do you bbygirl. You can lie to yourself all day and pretend to be muslim. It still won't make it true. But maybe one day you will even believe your own lie 😘
I can't be the only one who loves these long format, almost documentary like videos. Great stuff as always.
I 2nd this, I to love the doc length.
I didn't even realize it was an hour long until the video finished
This dude and Mr. Mythos are my favorite to listen to while writing and waiting for The Exploring Series to release more stuff.
Being a Dawoodi Bohra, I'm mind blown by how well researched this video is! Normally the Ismaili's are sidelined in any discussions of Islam and Shiism inspite of our contribution to the religion. Thanks for the video!
Very true unfortunately Ismailis are the most neglected tariqa of Islam despite of it's contribution towards Islam.
They were the main Shia group until the Savavids came in took Persia as their seat and forced everyone to adopt twelver Shiasm.
@khabibgt6688 I know
@khabibgt6688 Your Sunni beliefs are inherently filled with paradoxes that even a young child can notice. Muawiyah who was appointed by the third Caliph through nepotism as the governor of Syria rebelled against Ali R.A. and sought to take the caliphate as his own and turn it into a hereditary Ummayyid dynasty. Yet you claim such actions were just following the Sunnah of the prophet. How brain dead can an ideology be to commemorate BOTH sides of the conflict and claim that BOTH were righteous? Unlike you I won't claim that Sunnis are not muslim but they certainly have been led astray into commemorating the very Munafiqin which the Quran condemns. Praising the literal murderers of the Ahlul Bayt is the end result of your deviated
I'm Nizari ismaili I have some questions to ask you can I get your contact?
I am a Syrian Ismaili Living in London
I’m highly surprised that you’re the first non-Ismaili who knows about this sect
I intend to do another masters in ismailism the centre of Ismaili studies is one of the most open educational institutions for that matter
I’m a theology geek and I love your Chanel
Plenty of non-Ismailis know of Ismailism! Its just not very common but it isn't unheard of either...
May Allah guide you
West is more open to 'thoughts' and 'thinking' then Muslim world [I rejoice the first part of my statement and highly regret the last part of my statement ]
@@anasibndawood6696 He’s already guided
@@Bāṭini717 shows your ignorance
Hi Mr.Flip H, eagerly waiting for the pearl of wisdom & knowledge of this Islamic fraction of people.With lots of love from a sufi student from Kerala, India.🙏
💕from Mexico
@@GabrielaGranadosQ love to Mexico
the extent and level of deepest understanding and complex hard work you have put into these videos, says all for itself
Amazing videos, man. I cannot thank you enough!
I look forward to your interesting, educational and beautiful videos! I feel like I'm in college with a fabulous professor. Peace and blessings on you.
yes, inspiring!
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What an epic documentary style film.
Thank you so much for this. My grandfather was Ismaili and I have often been called to visit the Jamatkhana here in London; I haven’t found the peace and tranquility I have been searching for my whole life anywhere but there. There are so many misconceptions and so much misinformation about Ismailis out there. Thank you for educating us with the facts.
This channel is invaluable/ priceless ! Much thanks and gratitude to this man sharing his knowledge through this channel furthermore the perfectly unbiased way of expressing the information I highly respect.
Fascinating. The Ismaili are present in London at South Kensington, and a more recently the serene garden and centre north of the canal at King's Cross. The movement appears to be linked to the Aga Khan
I have seen you produce only very interesting videos but this one is even better. Thank you
Many painstaking hours, no doubt... we are deeply indebted for the work you've carried out. Keep it up!
So happy to have found your channel; you do a great job in explaining things in a clear and unbiased way. Appreciate you❤
👌👍
Damn bro, I be educating myself like never before through just your one hour video. Great work 👏🏼
It's interesting that my roommate is an offshoot of dawoodi bohra, and is part a small community. Again, because of a succession crisis. Your videos really help me understand this.
A very balanced and informative vlog, thank you :)
FOR SATAN WORSHIPPERS OF ISLAM
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. I’m very keen about learning about other faiths.
Fascinating! Thank you for making these incredibly informative videos!
Keep up the good work, you are doing an great job in educating people on various topics of religion.
Did not expect to find so much of interest in this particular branch of Shia Islam, particularly its relationship to neo-Platonism, mysticism, etc.
Let me know if you want to know more:)
HECK YEAH, always happy when Filip boutta educate me about some religious topic
I was raised Isma'ili and this is the first time I've seen anyone ever talk about the belief system!
Edit: very fascinating to learn the philosophical basis for much of the esotericism present in Isma'ili tradition. Honestly I'm disappointed in myself that I never bothered to learn why the Isma'ili community has such a deviation in practice compared to most other Muslims
Life give chance to very few people to re-think n re-start their un-finished things, best wishes for u brother!
you did not knew about IIS or STEP program? Weird
As a sunni Muslim this is The most in-depth authentic and the most objective research based post on this topic.
Free Palestinians
I agree
I appreciate your content as always. As someone who was raised in a Deobandi, Hanafi, fundamentalist Sunni household and community, I was never taught anything about Shiism. I appreciate your video.
May Allah guide you
I thought that Hanafis are mainly Maturidi...
@@yojan9238 I was taught more so about Ashari theology oddly enough, but now that you mention it, I think it is misleading to add Ashari here as I do not recall much of my theological knowledge I was taught in madrasah. Thanks for your comment.
@@anasibndawood6696 what do you mean by that?
@@zaidsyed8187 I mean may Allah guide you
Proud to be an Ismaili Muslim 🥀💝
islmaili kafir*
@@spreaderofalhaqq bro, lets have a deal, I love to see your selfi with your 'Muslim Golden ticket' and if you do I may consider converting to your sect bc frankly there are 73 sects and each one of accuse kafir to each others??
I'll not settle less then that, ok?
Deal??
And I am muhammadi musllim
@@RICH_PAPI8 Muhammad ibn Abdul wahab?
@SheryyKiEditz Muhammad pbuh bin Hashim.
Thanks for the wonderful documentary on the Ismaili history and their contributions to the Ummah. I hope this will use all the dynamics and changes during the period of times. I'm proud to be an Ismaili Muslim. I'm willing to know about the Sunni Muslim sects contribution and believes. I hope you will make a documentary on them as well. May God bless you 🙏
This was a good unbiased episode on Ismaili Shia Islam
Superb thank you :) what a wonderful branch of Islam.
Ya Ali Madad from Tajikistan (Pamir) to all Ismaili all over the world 🌎
Mowla Ali Madad from U.S.A oklahomacity,
Mowla Ali Madad from Karachi, Pakistan
Moula Ali Madad, from India
Ya Allah Madad
Ya Muhammad Madad
Ya Ali Madad
from a 12er
Mam from northern Pakistan ♥️
In depth and unbiased research . Keep up the good work done.
Great video as always. I’m Not a Shi’i but it turns out I have a lot of views that align with Ismaili concepts of Quranic revelation.
Let me know if you want more info:)
@@azanpradhan458 I do, give me some sources to look at
@@azanpradhan458 Shia and Ismai'lis aren't even Muslim but you go ahead an enjoy those sources kiddo.
You seem to be a spam account. They are considered Muslims by scholars, the ummah and governments alike.
@@snakejuce Those who curse the Shahada, and Ahul al Bayt are kaffir. But Shia's are as much muslim as we Sunnis are!
Fascinating! Best wishes to all Isma'ilis.
The visuals you pick to explain the culture is appealing.
Ive been a fan of your channel since day 1 keep it up
Wonderful presentation ❤️
Every video you have produced is quality
This is such an amazing video.
Great as always. Love your videos, and I am an atheist. But I am always interested in learning more about people’s cultures, perspectives and philosophies. Thank you!
Awesome research by a great teacher, thank you Filip
Beautifully done. I am a young Ismail and enjoy this topic . Loved how accurate your presentation
Great work! As a ismaili i appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good work....
Thank you for your excellent presentation about Shia Ismaili ,your work will be appreciated by many who have been curious about this religion but had no idea can finnnallly understand all about the fatimids and Nizaris and the imamat
Love this video sooooo much. Thank you ❤🌹🙏.
great video
Great episode, love your channel. Through your channel you are uniting humanity by better understanding. Kudos.
Thank you Filip. I have long had a sneaking admiration for Shia's. Not least as when I visit the UK, I find them so welcoming, so unlike the Tablighi Jumaat who seem to dominate most of the Masjids I am able to access. This explanation of the Isma'ilis is fascinating and much closer to the beliefs of many Sunni's living in Indonesia. You really are helping me to understand my beliefs and why I recoil from those that seem so hostile to my own.
You admire worshipping a man rather than God? You admire shunning the vast majority of Muslims and how the companions understand Islam? You admire people who consider Muslims to be disbelievers? You admire the movement that assassinated so many Muslims over the years? You admire their belief that God cannot be anything good or evil, that nothing can be attributed to Him at all including what He describes himself as in the Qur'an? You admire secrecy and the arrogance of keeping knowledge from people? You admire baselessly taking a man as an infallibly perfect being through some specific chain? Because you saw some randos to be hostile?
@@user-ms7gt2km5f thank you for telling me what I believe. I find it so difficult to think for myself.
Next time you’re in the UK, do visit the Ismaili Centre in Kensington. You’ll be amazed! X
@@LeanOnPlants there will not be a next time, it has become too difficult and expensive to travel such distances. In fact, I gave up on visiting London even when I was still living in the UK for much the same reason.
A shame as I'm sure that you are correct.
what exactly here is close to the beliefs of sunnis anywhere? The fact that they say the prophet didn't receive words but some sort of light! Learn your religion! May Allah guide you and me to the truth
Another great video... Thank you...
My man, impressive, not only that you are accurate in every video you make, but also your pronunciation, we salut you all of us..
I watched, listened and got most appropriate information about Shiism. 💖💖💖
You were well spoken of on a live stream from Religion for Breakfast. Just so you know. Congrats!
beautifully explained👍👍thankyou so much.
stay blessed.
Thank you so much for such wonderful video!
God bless you! 🙏
Being a scifi geek and fascinated with religion in youth, the book series DUNE is what got me into researching the Arabic/Islamic words concepts used and Ismaailis and Shiism seemed mixed with Sunnism by Frank Herbert (mahdi beliefs inserted space wanders were Sunni/Jewish). I totally would pay you some bucks if you could do a series on real Islam ideas and concepts in DUNE!
You just made me add Dune to my TBR!!
@@CrazyMuffin997 I have links to my google stash of Dune PDFs and audio or pay online streaming links in my channel dune vids info.
@@klyanadkmorr thank you so much!!
As an Ismaili Muslim I watched DUNE at the theater with friends and I immediately noticed the references of Islamic concepts
@khabibgt6688 Get OFF my comment timeline and post this on your own or to Let's Talk Religion guy directly. Your opinion abt another Islamic sect and convenient it's a Jew making it not authentic. I'm atheist and it's ALL fantasy made up to justify morality ethics how ever you want.
A really interesting, and quite likable, interpretation of the religion.
My thoughts exactly.
This is my recent favourite video on the interest. Thank you for giving such a detailed, unbiased introduction to the ismaili community ♥️
Brilliant episode, easily the best and most reliable channel that talks about religions. Could you please make an episode about Hurufism and The Bektashi order?
Very well video presentation on Ismailism 👍
Hello, I think it would be interesting to perhaps make a video on the Shia Alevis (not the alawis). Thank you.
Very interesting video, very thorough. It answered a lot of questions I had about Ismailis.
A balanced presentation on Nizari Ismailis
so much value in these videos. thanks.
I first learned about the Isma'ilis in the context of the Hashasheen, in the book Alamut by Vladimir Bartol. This video really helped me put that knowledge into context!
Dear, the hashasheen/assassins are highly misrepresented..
@@alishahhussaini728 hi Alishah. That's interesting, could you please elaborate?
@@agucci Hashasheen didn't take Hashish nor engaged in illicit relations with women in the "garden" , these are false accusations made by their enemies , the term Hashasheen comes from the Arabic "Hass" with Egyptian dialect "Hash" means " to slit" someone's throat , they were defending their women & children from hostile powers at that time , for many Sunni scholars at the time regarded them as "Infidels" while Crusades regarded them as "Heathens" & there were rivalry too between different Ismaili sects , this is why this particular Ismaili sect established it's own militia .
"Instead of shouting at one another, we must listen to one another and learn from one another."
- His highness Karim Aga Khan
@@agucci hashasheen or assassin's terms used by famous traveller Marco polo in his book during his visit to Iran and central Asia territories through people's of that areas after 80 years the death of Hassan bin sabah I was an Ismaili but I believe in logic respect all religions but I don't believe like a blind followers.
Alhamdulillah I’ve been raised in a hanafi family that taught me to respect Shias aswell. Taught me to love the messengers family. I had a good friend in school from Afghanistan who was Shia. We should talk more about Allah and less about our differences.
"Instead of shouting at one another, we must listen to one another and learn from one another."
- His highness Karim Aga Khan
Don't talk about allah talk to allah... Tray that
Where are u from ?
❤ very grateful for your time and knowledge
I am still watching the video but I noticed this time that your intro music is awesome .. love it
This is going to be interesting. From the Islamic world, I’d also appreciate a video on Mahdavia . I think they believe the Mahdi came quite early on (901 A.H. or 1496 CE) and they’re mainly found in India nowadays. There’s very little about them online and they usually get overshadowed by the larger and more recent Ahmadiyya (which I wouldn’t mind a video on either by the way) in discussions about “mahdist” groups of Islam.
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Most mehdavis have embraced the truth
The Mahdi was born and raised in the Western world .
The same Sun that shines in the East is the same Sun that shines anf sets in the West .
If you Muslims are looking for the Mahdi to appear in the East , in Damascus in Syria , you will be sadly mistaken . We are in the last days of time when the Mahdi Yehoshua/ Muhammad is supposed to come before the end of the world .
He has already come , but most men knew it not .
@@jeffbillings-el6110 okay then pls prove ur point. Who is ur mehdi. .
@@ksasaami Do you really want to know ?
Thank you, great video on this fascinating branch of Islam.
I'd been look for next level intro to Islam. Thank you sir.
the selection and quality of imagery used in you videos as visual background against the audio foreground is fine to the level of fulfillment. in fact they are to me like this. comments on other aspects remain to the session next. G Bless.
Hopping to hear authentic views from authentic sources ... generally I believe you do!
We'd like a whole video like this about "zaydis"...🌹
Very educative as usual...🌹
As a student of islamic knowledge I like your channel a lot and 've been watching all your videos from the very beginning...🌹
Waiting for more... greetings from Fatimid Cairo Egypt...🌹
Thanks for posting.
I have watched this several times and appreciate your interpretation and very useful explanation of the faith I took
Waiting for a great session, as it is about me and my history !
You’re Ismaili?
Very good overview!👍👍👍
I’ve been curious about the ismailis these few months, so thank you for explaining it so well!
Interesing knowing this, what trigger your curiosity in Ismailis, mind to share!
@@skaswani I saw someone on tiktok saying they’re ismaili, and they were explaining about the religion a bit, so I got interested in knowing more about it!
@@nyah_tan thats nice, hay to hear that!
Great job 👏🏻
Cool! As an Ismaili myself I would love to see you this one!
Very interesting video, but I am hoping you eventually do a video on more contemporary Twelver Shia Islam. I have seen so many videos on the initial development of Shia Islam, but I am especially curious about how Twelver Shia Islam developed after the Twelfth Imam going into occultation and the major differences between Twelver Shia Islam and Sunni Islam today.
I assume you have seen my episode dedicated to Twelverism?
Some narrations about what to do when Imam Mahdi is in occultation
Abdullah Ibn Sinan reported that Imam Al-Sadiq said “How will you be in a situation where you neither see the guiding Imam nor any sign, so that no one is saved from this confusion except the one who recites the supplication of the one who is perishing? My father said by God, this is a test! What shall we do at that time, may my life be sacrificed for you? He (Imam Al-Sadiq) said If this happens, and you will not experience it, then hold on to what you have in your hands until the matter becomes clear to you.” [Al-Ghaibah of An-Nu’mani Page 161 Hadith 4]
Muhammad Ibn Isa reported that Imam Al-Mahdi said “As for the upcoming incidents, return in it to the narrators of our sayings, for they are my proof to you and I am the proof of God to you. Abu Ja’far At-Tusi writes “The narrator’s own statement is not a proof.” [Al-Ghaibah of At-Tusi, Page 44 - 184]
@@ShiaRafidhiAkhbariIslam god bless you
@@ghulamhussainbadruddinshah1325 thank you may god bless you to
These are great videos you are making. You probably already know this, but i just wanted to mention it.
I am a twelver shia and i really liked this video. In many senses, Ismailis are very similar to us.
I would love to comment on this presentation but I do not know enough to express myself without offending the religion of Allah, blessing be upon him. Thank you for being so brave as to share your insights on the development of this vital religion.
Filip, great video as always! The Ismai'ilis certainly are one of the most fascnating groups of the Islamic faith, one that I see often getting after by various other groups.
The question I have though is the following - You have many times and especially in this video and topic, point out about the adoption of Neoplatonism as the basis of Theology in many Islamic Schools and Groups or at least a very Neoplatonistic aproach in Theology. This adoption/aproach is even more "total" in the case of Isma'ilis. My question is - is there a School or Group ( like the Isma'ilis) that instead of adopting a Neoplatonistic approach instead adopted an Aristotelian one, when it comes to their Theology?
Thanks in advance!
I guess you could consider someone like Ibn Rushd (Averroes) a more pure Aristotelian.
@@LetsTalkReligion Οh yes of course! I watched that video of yours and it was a great intoduction! My question is if there is a "branch" of Islam that is "Aristotelian - like the Isma'ili is Neoplatonist?
@@tolisfrag9220 I don't think so! Not that I can think of. Aristotle of course influenced a lot of Islamic thinking, but there is no equivalent to the Ismaili-Neoplatonism relationship.
@@LetsTalkReligion Thanks a lot for the answer! I have a follow up question though - is there a reason that such a thing didn't happen? A robust and widely accepted Islamic Theology based in Aristotelian philosophy?
@@tolisfrag9220 I wonder if the logic of Aristotle does not lend itself better to Christian theology as it has a more immanent bent, and was thus adopted by the Scholastics, whereas Platonism is more compatible with a doctrine of pure transcendence as is indicated by Tawhid.
One of best channels especially revealing the philosophy of different schools and branches, nit only Ismaili ones. Learned a lot from this video, and as a Sunni, have more respect for Ismaili brothers and sisters. For many details, I don't see any issue why they wouldn't be integrated into any other school.
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Being a non ismaili I am stunned by the way you represented the ismaili community. Thank you nd stay blessed ❤
basically there are two groups musta'ali and nizari ismailis. musta'ali are now adays bohras and nizaris are now a days agha khan followers known agha kanis.
Very accurate explanation of Ismailis.
wonderful video. I have Dawoodi Bohra friends and others as pals but never understood the difference in their approach even though in the same religion. keep up the good work
As an Ismaili I can reaffirm that this is the most elaborate and authentic explanation of my sect. May Allah help us all in finding the truth and living in Peace. Thank you So much ❤
This connection to Neoplatonism is fascinating.
Not very surprising. Neo-platonic literature was abundant in Baghdad during the Islamic Golden Age & Gnostic religions like Mandaeism still had a large following back then, especially in Iraq.
@@harlemraider3347 Fascinating.
@Mindgasms Ismails built some of the largest schools and libraries, like Al-Azhar during the Fatimid dynasty in Egypt Knowledge lost to us by war, but the current Imam is restoring the university and values architecture, freedom of thought and education highly. You should check out the Aga Khan Museums and the Aga Khan awards for architecture, literature, etc. if you want to learn more.
Very enjoyable breakdown of a complicated religious history thank you.
My first introduction to living Islam was in Saudi Arabia. To hear them tell it Islam is one huge unified block from Morocco to the Philippines.
'the god that can be described is not the true god'
You have a wonderful Arabic pronunciation! Keep your good work.
Mashallah great work stay blessed always 🙏