Will This $925,000 Michael Jordan Sale WAKE COLLECTORS UP??
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I think the rookie card should be from the player's rookie year.
Sometimes they didn't have a card in that exact year. So next you gotta go to the first card made.
Bravo the Star was always the big card in Beckett listings growing up. It was my dream card as a kid in the 90’s
Mine as well. It was a dream card and very few around unless big card shows
For me - I love the 86 Fleer card! So iconic & perfect
It appears the panel believes the first card is the rookie card. Once one defines what constitutes a rookie card the confusion goes away. Defining the terms or vocabulary is important.
It is bringing broader awareness to the reality of the star rookie vs. the fleer "rookie"
86 Jordan will be a top 3 iconic card for decades to come even if it’s not a true rookie card. Just look at the 52 Mantle
The 52 Mantle is rare. The 86 Jordan isn't.
@@controversialcardchannelwasn’t the 52 mantle a DP (double printed)???
@jonathonsantamont8527 Even if it was, it's still more rare and scarce than the 86 Fleer Jordan.
@@controversialcardchannel of course, it’s nearly four decades older…. And meany were trashed in the Atlantic as they didn’t sell…
Why is Jeff the only person in the world that doesn't understand that Ridder is trash? Lol
He has too much invested in him
pretty sure Geoff doesn't have any expectations of Ridder moving forward, he said that as a joke.
If you had a son born in 1984 and another son born in 1987 will you consider the 1987 son your first son and the 1984 son your extended first son? 😂
If you donated sperm and had your first child then find out your sperm was used somewhere else and that child was born first.
Is your child your first child?
If that card wasn't actually released in a real set available to all.
Was it ever more than a random promo card?
@@jimijamesjowitt Under each of our scenarios neither would be called the extended first son, just first son. I win.
If the bridge had a whale and light post was a cow will you consider the light a whale and grass will be a ball? You are a 🤡
What if my daughter was born in 1983 and is now a trans dude. Let's get even more crazy.
@@barfyman-dm6zx Then you would have your first son and daughter all in one.
The 84 is his Rookie and it doesn’t matter who does or doesn’t like it. Here is the literal dictionary definition of the word ROOKIE
a member of an athletic team in his or her first full season in that sport. YOU CANT ARGUE IT , it is what it is so either get one while you can or stop complaining :)
Fleer 86’ is a 3rd year card period. Nation Treasures is pulled from a briefcase, so are those considered “Rookies”? The debate is over, the 84’ Star is the true MJ rookie card.
Rumor has it Jeff just bought a 1984 Star Michael Jordan card
He’s reporting a recent big sale. That’s the news and topic. These conspiracy theories lol crazy
Darren Rovell will say anything as long as the price is right
No. He already had one. (If he didn’t sell it since purchasing)
Not a runor
@@bkeissami it’s more then a rumor is a runor
Geoff still has his and wants to get rid of it. Trying to recoup some of his loses due to his Ridder investments. 😂😂😂
I heard he sold his for 200k after buying it for 500-ish...somebody traced the corresponding serial # sales and proved it.
I had an opportunity to pick up the 101 PSA Star Jordan rookie for like $5k. Forgot the grade but I regret not buying it.
I consider the Star, the true rookie.
Any collector can see that.
Your most popular card doesn’t make it a rookie.
Love the story and low pop of the Star card. Be grateful there was a guy adding value to the hobby when others couldn’t see it.
Give him and the card the credit it’s due. It’s on my checklist for sure.
Keep thinking the 86 is the rookie. Id love to pick up a couple of star cards. Keep sleeping on them.📈📈📈
I'm afraid people aren't sleeping on this. Five-figure (minimum sales) does not strike me as an overlooked card.
True
He gets credit but he also scammed people out of a lot of money.
@@RawJordanCardCollector what does that have to do with which is a rookie card? 😂😂😂😂
You must also bring up kobes court case when you discuss him.
@@johnwaynecollection it doesn’t have anything to do with it. They are both his rookie cards. Multiple things can be true at the same time.
I remember around 1996-97 wanting the 84 Star (because Beckett had it priced at $3,500 and 86 Fleer at $1,500).
It was the dealers who swayed the 86 Fleer to being the #1 Jordan card back then because of more supply (and the fear of 84 Star counterfeits). Every dealer, every local card shop had an 86 Fleer as that was their crown jewel modern card to show off. I have to admit that the hobby/dealers swayed me away from the 84 Star because of that back then.
Maybe, but I could never find one back then. So yeah they sway you to what they have to sell
And nobody brings up the coincidence of a “private sale” of a card intended to boost sales for a PWCC auction of the 8.5 of the ‘84 card? SCI riding securely in the PWCC vest pocket?
The reason only 1500 star cards have been graded is because PSA and BGS refused to acknowledge the authenticity of the star for the longest time.
Not BGS. They began grading Star cards in 2008, so they've had a 15 + year history. They were the only game in town for Star grading because PSA dragged their feet for so long.
Send the card back into Panini!
I sent in a Purple Prizm of Evan Mobley that was off centered. The sent me a perfect reprint of my exact card. Same #/99 as the one I sent in, and it appears it will get a PSA 10!!!
Took almost 2 years, but they made good on it!!
Been called this true rookie for years
Private sale be like "Buy this from me for $200k but ill tell everyone it was $925k as part of the agreement"
I understand Topps want old card shops to upgrade their store. Will Topps set the price how much the store going to sell their products? Because if they don't set up the price. Store owner can raise the products to compensate for upgrading the store. Also only one card shop in my area, so I have to pay whatever the owner charge the products.
Isn't Fanatics the ones printing the cards tho?
Bingo!!! T-Pot is right. Eyebrows should be raised when a “private” sale happens that is so far above any public sales. It reeks of market manipulation. Just the fact that the private sale was made public, shows that the information was released to manipulate the value
When I retire, I'm going to go through my stack of 30 year old box of cards. 20 months left. I know there's some money in there.
Is the 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle the most important Mickey Mantle rookie card?
Not at all but that doesn't mean it's not his rookie card.
great show guys very entertaining and informative. l recognize and appreciate the star card and look forward owning one in the near future
The pack pulled stance is bogus, as you noted in this video. And to be frank, so is the aesthetics aspect. Sure the 86 is a better looking image (though taken from the same exact game, by the same photographer as the 84 Star) but I can list off a dozen other rookie cards which have far less attractive images than the 84 Star, and people have crowned those the preeminent rookies of those players.
The worst offenders, 2020 Anthony Edward’s Prizm (pick any other Ant RC and you’ll have a better image. The 2018 Trae Young Prizm, 2013 Giannis Prizm rookie (Giannis Select RC is far more rare and attractive).
2003 Lebron Topps Chrome RC…all of these cards have really poor images that are inferior to 84 Star, IMO.
The fact that the 84 shows Jordan in a different light further illustrates how little we knew of the player he would be one day become, making it that much cooler, but that’s just the long time hobbyist in me speaking. Rant over. 😆
Things change and evolve in the hobby with people's interests. The rookies you listed might not stay the "grail" of their era. In all my years being in the hobby, I've learnt that there are many idiots in this hobby. These same idiots are also the ones crowning these rookies. There's simply not very many educated people in the hobby when it comes to knowing true scarcity. While the Star Company Jordan cards are all rare, let's face facts: NOBODY wanted these cards decades ago when they were cheap. This is what I call the stupid people in the hobby. Why? They follow trends and cant think for themselves. They cant think outside the box and look for true scarcity on their own. They let value dictate what they purchase. They simply don't want anything until the ship has sailed. They all chased the 1986 Fleer for years, but now, everyone suddenly wants Star. To further prove my point: look at the Star Company Griffey rookies....why haven't they budged in value? Nobody wants it, because value hasn't exploded on it. Again, it goes back to idiots letting value dictate what they purchase. A Jordan Star rookie goes for thousands, but a Griffey Star rookie goes for a few dollars? It doesn't make sense.
Valid points
I'm here to tell you that the Star card of Michael Jordan has always been considered his true RC and it wasn't available to the general public and they were very hard to find and I couldn't find them no where.
Geoff’s hot take reaction on this years nba kabooms is immaculate, it was a perfect performance from him 🤣🤙🏽
Because that would mean Panini cared about the consumer and it seems they've given up with Fanatics undercutting them on the exclusivity signings
Geoff tryin to keep Desmond Ridder alive lol
The fact that the Star Jordan was not pack pulled may actually bolster its appeal over time. It adds another dimension of 'differentness'.
You guys nailed it. I think the 84 star is easily the only michael jordan rookie card. However the 86 fleer is the more iconic for sure. The rarity on the 84 Star is insane though. Only 1500 cards graded at this point
I can assure you there's more than just 1,500 copies of this card.
@@vintagecollector5340 graded I meant. I can edit my response. I agree there is.
@@vintagecollector5340 agreed there is. I adjusted my response as I meant graded copies
@@80sStarBasketball I'm sure I recall seeing copies still in sealed bags, as well. How authentic they are, I'm not sure. I'm willing to bet that somebody somewhere has a stash of these.
'84 is and should be considered as MJ's rookie card.
nice hat Doug! we all smoke willies reserve here in tx
13:24 please explain how you can recover we from Ridder Please
19:07 isn’t Topps running the printing??? How quick you forget as you kiss up to Rubin
If you were offered the choice between a 1984 Star Jordan and a 1986-87 Fleer Jordan both with the same grade but you could afford only one and you don't have either one yet, which one would you take?
I would take the 86 fleer reprint from that one set population is lower
18:15 not surprised Panini has always stunk and now they really don’t care after losing licenses lol
Kaboom Wembanyama gem rates for Panini has Geoff upset … what about the 4.4% gem rate for the 2022 Wembanyama Bowman U #51 base (87/1942) …. The same card in the refractor is at 30-35% gem rate.
Wow, I can't believe those Wemby Kaboom stats. Unreal. It's like Panini wants to go out of business
@20:04 loooooooool
Stephen A mixed with George Costanza. Brilliant!
😂😂😂
ok the red star card my dad left behind 1 hell of a collection,he was really good friends with Mr Mint Al Rosen and I was left a fortune and I also have 1 piece that the Yankees organization & the Baseball Hall Of Fame want but they want it for free so not happening...That item is the poster that was given out on Babe Ruth day way back in the day,well my dad has the original framed & matted I have it hanging right in my living room....I also found 5 of those red star MJ rookie cards,it also has other Bulls players
Jeff do you think the 1984 star court kings 5x7 will ever be even close going for a decent amount?
valid opinions all around. i hate the lines they added to the Kabooms, just why
I had Michael Jordan’s rookie card and a whole bunch of other cards until my brother stole them from me a month ago. It’s such a nice card though.
What do they mean when they say “National”?
Doesn’t fanatics own the printers panini uses? Should some fault be placed on fanatics for poor quality?
It’s easy, both the 84 Star and 86 Fleer are both Jordan Rookie Cards. The Star 101 was released earlier, but had a limited distribution and wasn’t in packs. I’m glad that I have them both because they are awesome.
I also have both but consider the Star card his RC.
@@rocketfighter8 it’s okay to be wrong, at least partially. It is one of his rookie cards, that’s for sure.
Has the 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle passed the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle yet?
Only if people want to manipulate the market to thinking that’s true…. 😂😂😂
925k for a piece a cardboard excites men
Will y’all be at the next card show in chantilly on June 25th by chance?
Like watching the talk on whether hulk 180 or 181 is the first wolverine 😂
Good upload time I just got my food
Hey I don't know how to get ahold of you sports card investor but I'm curious about getting a important card graded if there's a way you could reach out it would be appreciated! Thanks
Don't hold your breath!!! These guys never respond to mail or phone calls... Terrible customer interaction!!!!!
PRIVATE SALE? More like FAKE sale, oh I just sold this Luka prizm base for $20k in a private sale
Someone call up rovell!
Just think the 10 or 9 that shows up will be priceless.
Panini gave up on the kabooms, there was no reason for the borders on the front, zero
I think whatever card Literally went for sale first is the rookie, could be the day before the other card and 1 would still be the true rookie
This was not the most intelligent discussion on the Jordan RCs but at least he brought up the pop counts. Obviously the Star 101 is an epic investment opportunity given it's the real rookie of the greatest athlete of all time and has such a crazy low pop for any card after 1980.
Unfortunately as much as I would like to say that the 86 fleer is the rookie card I can't and either should the card community because we would then have to eliminate the Wagner baseball card as it wasn't in packs either and only distributed in cigarette packs...just food for thought as it would completely change everything. At the end of the day the card community will dictate which is the most desired and valued card.
Panini just doesn't care they are still getting there money
I know Doug only got maxey bc he was Kentucky, but go Sixers and I love to see it Doug! 👀
I stopped buying all sports cards
Kyler is a huge buy
Collectors are still "asleep" at the wheel. Ken Griffey Jr Star Company cards still cant even be given away. For argument sake, lets say you only wanted Jordan: theres still plenty of Jordan items to acquire that are much rarer than his Star rookies.
We soccer collectors are used to players having rookie cards from different years.
This is not soccer
Star is Jordan very first rookie card's and a rookie card's called interlake or how ever its pronounced
Im not into Panini stuff, and probably i would never be. My question is.. why is so necessary to look at the grade if this Kabooms are so important for the hobby?? Are they really that important?Would we sleep on a 97 Green PMG or EC Future/Now because of a low grade?
Please do not put Kabooms at grail levels.
Doug is the smartest on your panel
I promise this is not my burner account
The 1986-87 Fleer Jordan may have a better photo but the red, white and blue border is horrendous. Fun fact: both Jordan photos on the Star and Fleer cards were taken from the same game in Dec. 1984.
Don’t forget the yellow
🤮🤮
Bye Doug
Panini don’t care about the cards!!! They literally have a license to print money… they are holding onto this privilege for as long as they can. They have no interest in their standing in the hobby..
Yep and neither do Fanatics
Funny A Ritc to buy and no Herbert
Obviously, the person who sold the Jordan sold it to himself or a friend and is cleaning his dirty money. I'm sure that this man deals in art and other valuable collectibles.. This is how rich collectors clean their dirty money. As long as the buyer remains private, Uncle Sam can't trace the money. As long as this continues, cards will go through the roof, just like paintings and sculptures. This is a big day for the card collector. Especially the big boys in the business with the most sought after cards.
This will only bring alot more attention to his 86 fleer rookie and drive up the price on it more anyway
This is actually possible.
More attention? It's been famous for decades. 😂
@@rocketfighter8 I think what he's saying is that the hype on the Star is going to help boost prices on the 1986 Fleer Jordan.
@@vintagecollector5340 Even if they do their increases will be nowhere near those of the Star Jordans or what they were during the pandemic.
@@rocketfighter8 True, but they definitely will increase at some point, along with all other Jordan stuff.
Growing up as an 80s kid we only had Beckett price guides and there was the 86 fleer jordan and then the 84 card labeled XRC and I can remember the XRC being worth $800, which was explained to me as an Olympic rookie because he played in the 84 Olympics before the 86 fleer came out, but not sure if the 101 star is THAT card or not, but as a kid it was always confusing 🤔 which is why I still remember it
If you collected in thr 80’s 90’s era. You would know the Star was the Rookie card. No one looked for the Fleer
😂😂😂😂your comment tells me you definitely weren't a collector back then. We all knew star was a trash company that was counterfeited to oblivion. Fact is, psa only started grading them when darren rovell bought one and had skin in the game.
Fun fact: There are far more counterfeit 1986-87 Fleer Jordans than Star Jordans.
Or we can say that a couple crazies got in a bidding war and wayyyyyyyyyyy overpaid.
😂😂😂it was 1 bid.....1 single person made a bid of 925,000........for sure a legit auction, definitely no money laundering going on😉
XRC!
Go Gators
1952 Topps Mantle >>>> 1951 Bowman Mantle
84 star is his true rc what would you say is Steve Young Reggie white jim Kelly true rc 84 usfl or 86 Topps or the 87 Topps Kelly
Star is not considered a true rookie card simply because they weren't distributed to shops or stores. You could only get them at events or direct from Star who also got in trouble for reprinting their own sets and selling on HSN.
Is the card made in the rookie year of Michael Jordan? Yes. Is it a basketball card? Yes. It's his rookie card.
@@clapdtheclown4209 The 86 Fleer card has been given the RC designation for these reasons.
It was properly licensed by both the League and the Players Association.
Distributed in pack form Nationally.
It’s a base card featured in a base set.
Anyone who has been a part of the hobby since the 80s already knows this. This is why minor league cards aren't considered RCs or things like current day Leaf.
@@fbcardfan4161 STAR was nationally distributed in packs, NBA licensed and a base card from a base set. These were the NBA trading cards of 1984. pretty easy from a legal and factual definition.
star cards are comparable to macdonald cards or tim hortons hockey cards
Okay bud! You’re just jealous you don’t have a 101. It’s MJ’s true rookie
You are dead wrong
@@bkeissami dead wrong about what? You’re too blind to see that the 101 is the grail of MJ. 86 fleer is a great card but not his rookie. 101 outperforms the 86 Fleer by miles.. The PSA 10 86 fleer has dropped like a bag of rocks.
Why do you teapot down the design of the vintage Cards when they were the backbone of collecting from the time sports cards were first to come into existence!
Can't wait for these asses to figure out the same thing for the Star Ken Griffey jr Card(s). Most have no idea that the same thing goes for KGJ. 🤑🎓
I totally agree. People sleeping on Griffey. I have a number of the 1989 purple promo ads of Griffey. Very cool and rare cards that nobody wants. 🤷Hell, I even have type II photos of Griffey that are rare and from original negative...nobody wants them. 🤷
😂😂😂if anything, that griffey should be a warning to the fools dropping tens of thousands on a junk gimmick card. Star has always been known as garbage cards, and the prices always reflected that. These idiots think they're getting some holy grail that's gonna make them rich, when sadly, its gonna end with alot of people losing alot of money.
@@johnwayne9828 That's your opinion. Seems to me that the hobby has spoken (regarding Jordan rookies) and the prices reflect that. Every collectible that's valuable today had to start from somewhere. They just didn't produce cards that instantly became five-figure items overnight. Not even the 1986 Fleer set with Jordan was even an in-demand card when it first came out. While I do agree that buying any item for five-figures is very risky, buying Star Griffey rookies for four-dollars isn't breaking the bank. It's actually much cheaper than I can buy any of his mass-produced rookies for, so why not? Nothing to lose and everything to gain. Even if they don't explode in value as expected, I can always cash in and get my money back. That's worse case scenario.
@@johnwayne9828Star being junk is your opinion, and you're entitled to that opinion. Prices reflect what's in demand in the hobby, though, and it is an unanimous decision. Griffey Star Company rookies are just very undervalued. While I do agree that spending five-figures on any card is risky, I'm not breaking the bank at four-dollars per rookie for Star Griffeys. It's cheaper than what I can buy his mass-produced rookies for, so why not? Worse case scenario, it does nothing and I cash in to get my money back. Nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I'm with you especially the 1988 silver series first cards with Griffey in a mariners jersey with only 2000 sets made. The 1989 Star co Nova set only 500 sets produced. That's rarer than the Tiffany cards. Star was a licensed product and produced the first on card auto's. I have griffey's 1989 Star Co on card auto. It's only a matter of time plus a lot of people still don't know about them.
These buyers are on their way out. Bet dr Beckett was the buyer of this item. What a joke. Jordan will be up at one million dollars each
I couldn’t imagine caring about this Jordan thing unless you had a significant vested interest in it monetarily.
Star Jordan is true Rookie😤 these sealed pouch cards are the same as finding SI for kids cards in magazines. Not everything has to be pack pulled to be RC.
Panini doesn't care
Pannini has given up, which is good , they are going down and the pannini years will finally be over
Fanatics is probably worse
Kyler Murray, Anthony Richardson. What kind of advice is this. If you had this site 15 years ago you would have been pumping Greg Oden over Kevin Durant.
I have rookie cards of Jim Brown and Johnny Unitas, Terry Bradshaw, Walter Payton and Joe Montana. All you do is pump up these losers who haven't done a thing calling them a buy.
"Private Sales" that disclose neither the buyer nor seller seem suspect to me. Private sales happen all the time, but this whole story can easily be manipulated by those who have a vested interest in doing so. Furthermore, PSA refused to grade these cards because of questionable legitimacy of some cards that appeared after they lost their license. What magical system did PSA develop that suddenly allowed them to verify the legitimacy of these cards?
PSA changed ownership. I think you need to research this topic a bit - I can see you are missing alot of the pieces
1984 Star Michael Jordan cards (all 4 of them), the 1986 Fleer #57, AND the 1986 Fleer Sticker are all Jordan rookie cards.
You have to understand that many things play a role on what makes a certain rookie card worth more than others and is not just based on which set was released first.
Panini SUCKS! AND, they don't care anymore.
Pannini cards always grade terrible. They have sets know to grade bad like Obsidian. I have 19 obsidian Lightning strikes 1of1s all PSA graded and only two of them are 10s. We are talking 1of1s that don't grade good cmon
You will find its PSA playing god.
Seen people getting 10s on cards with obvious brick damage and bad centering.
Seen a ton of 9s on perfect cards.
Obviously they choose what they want the grade to be.
Seen 10s with 2 print lines.
Its now a joke.
@jimijamesjowitt that's every grading company not just PSA. I submitted 12 cards to SGC and 9 of them moved in thier case and they told me it was normal. It's really all up to the grader and not just the company.
Its a xrc rookie
The Star 101 is MJ’s true rookie. The XRC was fabricated by Beckett back in the day.
@@PittsburghCardCollector the last I checked, the RC in XRC still stands for rookie card.
@@RawJordanCardCollector I know that but the XRC is treated like an asterisk for most collectors which the XRC should never have been given that designation. Anyway to me and majority of the hobby know the 84 star is MJ’s true rookie. There’s nothing to argue.
@@PittsburghCardCollector you say there is nothing to argue and then make a statement that is not true.
@@RawJordanCardCollector what’s not true ? The 101 is MJ’s true rookie. The 86 fleer which is an iconic card but it’s a 3rd year card. Anyone who thinks other wise is ignorant. Those that think his 86 fleer is his true RC is either highly invested in that card or going by emotion and are not thinking logically. All RC have to pack pulled?
The Fleer will always be the best card
I'd rather have the most valuable of the two. I have both.
Jeff pumping this star card to death.
He's excited. Wouldn't you be if you owned a copy?
Yar, he bought an 8 for $100k
Impordant...🙄🙄🙄