It's a miracle that Kurt is still alive and kicking, the dude is super human, especially considering how effed up he was during 2006-2013, his work was indistinguishable from before his drug problem was severe, that's part of why I think Kurt Angle was the greatest wrestler to ever live.
10 years in any industry can be just exhausting and lead to all types of addictions. They look great back in the day, but when they retire and the body doesn't work like it used to, you take any medication you can to keep making that paycheck. It'll destroy anyone, especially with spinal injuries. Props to all of these women and men who put their lives on the line in the ring.
I'm sooooooooo happy that Kurt got some help. He's definitely one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Quick story. I bumped into him at the Amusement park here in Pittsburgh. He gave my son daughter autographs... At that moment he wasn't noticed by the fans. Maybe a minute later he was flooded. I felt so bad for him because he was with Karen, their family and some friends. He stood there for at least 20 minutes signing autographs. Every kid got an autograph. I was definitely amazed... Even more amazed now because it was the Summer of 06 and after hearing his story I wouldn't be shocked if he was battling those pills hard that day. He was very quiet but very very very polite. My kids love Kurt. My daughter's not a wrestling fan but she appreciated him doing that for and them kids.
I agree...I got to meet him last summer at a minor league baseball game when he was holding an autograph session compliments of the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers...I got to ask him if he had more fun as a face or heel he said heel of course smiling the picture showed him evil grin me like He was going to tear my head off 🙂🙂🙂
Oh give me a break. Kurt was always 100% ON when working. You work at the level he has and tell me you're not going to need some pain relief. It comes with the territory.
I saw Kurt during this period around 2007-08 at a TNA meet and greet. He was so high on pills he was barely conscious or moving. He was super nice but after that I really thought he might die soon after that. But thankfully he didn’t and was able to turn things around.
Glad Kurt made it out. So many do not. Clean for 2+ years now myself. If you're reading this and struggling with addiction, get help. You can come back.
These are great because Dutch tells it like it is. So many of your interviews sugar coat things in their answers because they might miss a payday in the future. Dutch is a straight shooter!
7 years clean from Pain Killers. Was taking 3 to 5 10/325 Norcos a day for around 8 years...ugly addiction to try and beat. When I heard Kurt was taking up to 60 pills a day I was floored! I couldn't fathom taking that many. God bless him for beating the monkey off his back, and thanknthe lord he's still with us.
I broke one of my vertebrae in a car wreck, had two spinal surgeries, 5 broken ribs, lacerations that cut my head up, and constant nightmares. I don't blame Kurt. That dude has lived a warriors life. Alcohol and weed get me by everyday and I hate it, but I understand anyone with terrible trauma.
you are a warrior too!!! medicate if you must but also try to give some of your suffering to God. Jesus will help carry your cross! praying for you brother!
60 a day is a lot, but Kurt someone like Kurt who is a machine. It probably took that many to get what he needed as far as killing pain. I can tell you right now he didn't loce ehat he was doing it's terrible i was on pain killers for my back for years. 15 at a time was nothing anymore..
Kurt didn't clean up until shortly before he came back to WWE for his Hall of Fame induction and final sendoff with WWE. His entire TNA run was amazing though and his best matches were there, not in WWE. For me and many others, the best Kurt Angle was TNA Angle.
What's also sad is how little TNA and other companies have learned. TNA went on to have the Jeff Hardy incident who was then hired again by WWE and AEW. I get that people can rehab but the wrestling lifestyle seems far too much even for recovered folk.
Nature of the beast. No wrestler is ever at 100% physically. They're all battling some kind of ache or pain or injury and most work that way. Sometimes they need to alleviate that pain. I don't knock them for it. It is what it is.
@@DevoJetBoy8680 all that is true, however, I'm pretty sure the OP is stating more that, with that knowledge, promotions CONTINUE to hire the person with a problem and seem surprised when it happens again, or for the 20th time.
I 100% believe he was taking that many. I could take up 20-25 perc 10s daily if I had the cash, after my scripts ran out. Angle having the cash plus being superhuman. Absolutely I belive he did that.
How could you take 60 vicodin a day? The amount of tylenol alone would severely damage your liver. Do they mean just straight oxys? Cause i can believe that if they were those.
Yeah as a huge Kurt Angle fan this TNA period was hard to watch He got skinny, pale, looked like he was in pain, had a glazed look in his eye and his opponents weren't allowed to fight back. Whille he had some great matches, his average match quality plummeted I legit thought he was going to die or have some kind of drug related breakdown So pleased he pulled through it
That's such bullshit. He was on his A-game the entire run. You see what you wanna see. His work in TNA was better than his work in WWE as far as matches go.
@@DevoJetBoy8680 lol nothing he ever did in TNA matched what he did with Benoit, Mysterio, Undertaker, Rock, HBK, Eddie, Austin, Edge. Joe and Styles were the closest he ever came but they were the minority. His average match quality plummeted, his average promos plummeted, his weight plummeted, he was frequently nearly passing out in the ring, so sweaty and pale. You're forgetting what he was like week by week and only remembering the highlights. Dutch even talks about it here, constantly being unconcious or drugged up 24/7, his opponents not being allowed to fight back for a decent chunk of his run. It was really hard to watch at the time. He was in a massive downward spirial. Dutch is 100% right, WWE let him go because his health was awful and he was refusing drug rehab.
@@bigrigjoe5130 That's bullshit. He was pulling off incredible matches with everyone in TNA from Joe and AJ, to Jarrett, Abyss, Sting, Nigel McGuinness (as Desmond Wolfe), Frankie Kazarian and more. Even Kurt himself has said he feels his best in-ring work and matches happened in TNA. Lose the tunnel vision!
60 pain pills a day is bad but real not that bad and I bet from the neck I got bike wreck broke my neck twisted my spine moved my organs told I might end up in chair but I got hooked on those also and 10 before getting out of bed did and you wait til it kicks in but clean now for over 12 years one day at a time
Also, 10 pills to get out of bed? That's addiction to the buzz,not pain management. I been around junkies my entire life, it's never a there fault and I they lie about there "pain" levels.
@jamie.. that is true. However, the body becomes immune to the pills, too. I had surgery on my foot last year. I had about 5 days of Oxycodone and I still had pretty bad pain on the 5th day. Being around addicts and being in recovery (alcohol) myself, I knew it wasn't wise to ask for more. But, I agree with you.. the addict wants to drug. Why take Ibuprofen when Oxys are available (addict mindset).
Saying he took 60 Vicodin a day is not the same as someone saying someone ate 60 apples. An apple is an apple. A Vicodin is not a vicodin. How many mg is very important to know. How many MG BRO???
Just fyi I’m a small dude. 5’8 150lbs on my best days. And I could consume 30 a day for 5 years. So a guy his size and starting health could do it. For how long? Well that’s the thing. 60 would’ve been 80 soon enough. Eventually, no, you can’t survive it.
Saw Kurt on Smackdown last night and he didn't look all that well to me. Did anyone else think he was holding his hands in a peculiar fashion and seemed like he could barely pick up and hold the milk hose. 🧐
Personal stuff aside, TNA still should have made Angle their Hulk Hogan. Long term Babyface run with the title and start producing heels to face him. Turning him heel was ridiculous. It was entertaining, but there were no babyfaces on his level
AJ STYLES should have been the face of the company PERIOD. He was there ffom the beginning and got over with how incredible he was and DESERVED that spot.
@@davidtodd3401 I bet you were one of those guys that wanted every WWE reject to come to TNA huh? Guys coming in to take the spotlight away from the young guys that got the buzz on TNA going by themselves. Guys like ANGLE should have been trying to push guys like AJ Styles and get them more over than they already were because THEY was the future... Instead every friggen reject from WWE comes in and they job out to those guys EVERYTIME.
I wouldn't have thought it would be possible to get up after 10 vicodin take effect. Or is my memory failing me on vicodin's making people sleepy? Also, be patient with the question. My experience with them is limited to hearsay.
After a while they turn into an opposite effect, you need them to just get out of bed. I was doing Angle amount of percs and vikes and I could easily do 60 or more a day
When I used to pop Vicodin I would eat about 10 10mg pills and I would have so much energy I could do anything and do it 100mph. I couldn't quit talking and if I was working at a factory I would get a whole days work done in 4 hours or so. Then after those 4 hours it would wear off and I'd be back to normal. If you're an addict sometimes they give you energy like speed does.
also its really weird that there are people commenting here like angle taking dozens of pills just to get thru each day was totally fine as long as they were entertained by him 😬
So I guess it's fair to say that Kurt was surpassing mid to late 90s HBK levels?? Incredible. Thank the Lord that both of them are still here to tell their (and other) stories.
It's a miracle that Kurt is still alive and kicking, the dude is super human, especially considering how effed up he was during 2006-2013, his work was indistinguishable from before his drug problem was severe, that's part of why I think Kurt Angle was the greatest wrestler to ever live.
Ppl just don't know how good those pain meds mixed with nerve pills are.
@@coreyhall1150 Man agreed..
@@Maniac_Matt It's SO GOOD you absolutely will literally die to get that feeling.
When Kurt's super human Shawn Michaels is too.
10 years in any industry can be just exhausting and lead to all types of addictions. They look great back in the day, but when they retire and the body doesn't work like it used to, you take any medication you can to keep making that paycheck. It'll destroy anyone, especially with spinal injuries. Props to all of these women and men who put their lives on the line in the ring.
I'm sooooooooo happy that Kurt got some help. He's definitely one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Quick story. I bumped into him at the Amusement park here in Pittsburgh. He gave my son daughter autographs... At that moment he wasn't noticed by the fans. Maybe a minute later he was flooded. I felt so bad for him because he was with Karen, their family and some friends. He stood there for at least 20 minutes signing autographs. Every kid got an autograph. I was definitely amazed... Even more amazed now because it was the Summer of 06 and after hearing his story I wouldn't be shocked if he was battling those pills hard that day. He was very quiet but very very very polite. My kids love Kurt. My daughter's not a wrestling fan but she appreciated him doing that for and them kids.
Should have left him be.
@@BeeBumper You should of left it be & not commented.
@@nucleusvision2837 You should have left it be & not commented and not judged.
I agree...I got to meet him last summer at a minor league baseball game when he was holding an autograph session compliments of the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers...I got to ask him if he had more fun as a face or heel he said heel of course smiling the picture showed him evil grin me like He was going to tear my head off 🙂🙂🙂
So that's where Cody got the burner idea from!
The Perc Angle years were creepy. Sone of those shots of him staring straight into the camera, you could see there was nothing behind those eyes.
Oh give me a break. Kurt was always 100% ON when working. You work at the level he has and tell me you're not going to need some pain relief. It comes with the territory.
@@DevoJetBoy8680 what an enabler
@@pearcemark2 What an uppity twat. Get a clue.
I saw Kurt during this period around 2007-08 at a TNA meet and greet. He was so high on pills he was barely conscious or moving. He was super nice but after that I really thought he might die soon after that. But thankfully he didn’t and was able to turn things around.
That's crazy 😧
Glad Kurt made it out. So many do not. Clean for 2+ years now myself. If you're reading this and struggling with addiction, get help. You can come back.
Good job boss.2 years for me 1/1/23 god willing
I was a step from death.had to lose it all to continue to live .I’m poor happy n grateful
Come back? What's worth being sober for?
@@HollyKost Well, you won't find out that until you go there for yourself - There is no one-size-fits-all answer to that mate
These are great because Dutch tells it like it is. So many of your interviews sugar coat things in their answers because they might miss a payday in the future. Dutch is a straight shooter!
7 years clean from Pain Killers. Was taking 3 to 5 10/325 Norcos a day for around 8 years...ugly addiction to try and beat. When I heard Kurt was taking up to 60 pills a day I was floored! I couldn't fathom taking that many. God bless him for beating the monkey off his back, and thanknthe lord he's still with us.
I broke one of my vertebrae in a car wreck, had two spinal surgeries, 5 broken ribs, lacerations that cut my head up, and constant nightmares. I don't blame Kurt. That dude has lived a warriors life. Alcohol and weed get me by everyday and I hate it, but I understand anyone with terrible trauma.
you are a warrior too!!! medicate if you must but also try to give some of your suffering to God. Jesus will help carry your cross! praying for you brother!
Leaving wwe in 2006, saved Kurt Angle's life. I wonder if Chris Benoit left wwe or took time off, maybe Benoit still be with us
60 a day is a lot, but Kurt someone like Kurt who is a machine. It probably took that many to get what he needed as far as killing pain. I can tell you right now he didn't loce ehat he was doing it's terrible i was on pain killers for my back for years. 15 at a time was nothing anymore..
Kurt Angle was the Ultimate Beast during some of his TNA matches.
Perc angle was a different breed
Kurt didn't clean up until shortly before he came back to WWE for his Hall of Fame induction and final sendoff with WWE. His entire TNA run was amazing though and his best matches were there, not in WWE. For me and many others, the best Kurt Angle was TNA Angle.
LOL Ooh er Misses and Mr Grimdales are two different catch phrases that you combined into ooh er Mrs Grimsdale
What's also sad is how little TNA and other companies have learned. TNA went on to have the Jeff Hardy incident who was then hired again by WWE and AEW. I get that people can rehab but the wrestling lifestyle seems far too much even for recovered folk.
Nature of the beast. No wrestler is ever at 100% physically. They're all battling some kind of ache or pain or injury and most work that way. Sometimes they need to alleviate that pain. I don't knock them for it. It is what it is.
@@DevoJetBoy8680 all that is true, however, I'm pretty sure the OP is stating more that, with that knowledge, promotions CONTINUE to hire the person with a problem and seem surprised when it happens again, or for the 20th time.
10 vicodin just to get up in the morning... yeouch.
Id like 2 meet dutch i had 3 favorite wrestlers i like 2 watch in the 80s dutch was 1 of them great memories
I 100% believe he was taking that many. I could take up 20-25 perc 10s daily if I had the cash, after my scripts ran out. Angle having the cash plus being superhuman. Absolutely I belive he did that.
How could you take 60 vicodin a day? The amount of tylenol alone would severely damage your liver. Do they mean just straight oxys? Cause i can believe that if they were those.
Yeah as a huge Kurt Angle fan this TNA period was hard to watch
He got skinny, pale, looked like he was in pain, had a glazed look in his eye and his opponents weren't allowed to fight back.
Whille he had some great matches, his average match quality plummeted
I legit thought he was going to die or have some kind of drug related breakdown
So pleased he pulled through it
That's such bullshit. He was on his A-game the entire run. You see what you wanna see. His work in TNA was better than his work in WWE as far as matches go.
@@DevoJetBoy8680 lol nothing he ever did in TNA matched what he did with Benoit, Mysterio, Undertaker, Rock, HBK, Eddie, Austin, Edge.
Joe and Styles were the closest he ever came but they were the minority. His average match quality plummeted, his average promos plummeted, his weight plummeted, he was frequently nearly passing out in the ring, so sweaty and pale. You're forgetting what he was like week by week and only remembering the highlights.
Dutch even talks about it here, constantly being unconcious or drugged up 24/7, his opponents not being allowed to fight back for a decent chunk of his run.
It was really hard to watch at the time. He was in a massive downward spirial. Dutch is 100% right, WWE let him go because his health was awful and he was refusing drug rehab.
@@bigrigjoe5130 That's bullshit. He was pulling off incredible matches with everyone in TNA from Joe and AJ, to Jarrett, Abyss, Sting, Nigel McGuinness (as Desmond Wolfe), Frankie Kazarian and more. Even Kurt himself has said he feels his best in-ring work and matches happened in TNA. Lose the tunnel vision!
@@DevoJetBoy8680 8:14
This makes me like kurt way more now lol.
Didnt stop them from booking him 24/7
Nice hallowe’en sweater
🎶 8 nights a week they beat Dutch Mantell 🎶
10 amateur. When you build up slowly your liver adapts. You would be shocked what your body can handle if you take the time to build up a tolerance.
Glad.he survived after what happened with Benoit and Guerrero hope Jeff Hardy gets his life together don't wanna see him die
60 pain pills a day is bad but real not that bad and I bet from the neck I got bike wreck broke my neck twisted my spine moved my organs told I might end up in chair but I got hooked on those also and 10 before getting out of bed did and you wait til it kicks in but clean now for over 12 years one day at a time
Dude, 60 pain pills is f*cking real bad. Don't justify opiate abuse.
Also, 10 pills to get out of bed? That's addiction to the buzz,not pain management. I been around junkies my entire life, it's never a there fault and I they lie about there "pain" levels.
@jamie.. that is true. However, the body becomes immune to the pills, too. I had surgery on my foot last year. I had about 5 days of Oxycodone and I still had pretty bad pain on the 5th day. Being around addicts and being in recovery (alcohol) myself, I knew it wasn't wise to ask for more. But, I agree with you.. the addict wants to drug. Why take Ibuprofen when Oxys are available (addict mindset).
Is this Dave Meltzer? Cause that’s one hell of a run on sentence
Saying he took 60 Vicodin a day is not the same as someone saying someone ate 60 apples. An apple is an apple. A Vicodin is not a vicodin. How many mg is very important to know. How many MG BRO???
You know they were 10s man. He wouldn't mess with 5s or 7.5s. That's just extra Tylenol that you have to take to get the same mg of hydrocodone.
Just fyi
I’m a small dude. 5’8 150lbs on my best days. And I could consume 30 a day for 5 years. So a guy his size and starting health could do it. For how long? Well that’s the thing. 60 would’ve been 80 soon enough. Eventually, no, you can’t survive it.
Saw Kurt on Smackdown last night and he didn't look all that well to me. Did anyone else think he was holding his hands in a peculiar fashion and seemed like he could barely pick up and hold the milk hose. 🧐
I watched on tv. He dont look good. Hope hes not back on the 💊 pills
Personal stuff aside, TNA still should have made Angle their Hulk Hogan.
Long term Babyface run with the title and start producing heels to face him.
Turning him heel was ridiculous. It was entertaining, but there were no babyfaces on his level
AJ STYLES should have been the face of the company PERIOD. He was there ffom the beginning and got over with how incredible he was and DESERVED that spot.
@@coreyhall1150 😂😂😂😂
@@davidtodd3401 I bet you were one of those guys that wanted every WWE reject to come to TNA huh? Guys coming in to take the spotlight away from the young guys that got the buzz on TNA going by themselves. Guys like ANGLE should have been trying to push guys like AJ Styles and get them more over than they already were because THEY was the future... Instead every friggen reject from WWE comes in and they job out to those guys EVERYTIME.
@@coreyhall1150 😂😂😂 you fucking mark 😂😂😂
@@coreyhall1150 what does Meltzer's dick taste like.
I wouldn't have thought it would be possible to get up after 10 vicodin take effect. Or is my memory failing me on vicodin's making people sleepy? Also, be patient with the question. My experience with them is limited to hearsay.
After a while they turn into an opposite effect, you need them to just get out of bed. I was doing Angle amount of percs and vikes and I could easily do 60 or more a day
When I used to pop Vicodin I would eat about 10 10mg pills and I would have so much energy I could do anything and do it 100mph. I couldn't quit talking and if I was working at a factory I would get a whole days work done in 4 hours or so. Then after those 4 hours it would wear off and I'd be back to normal. If you're an addict sometimes they give you energy like speed does.
Perc angle was one of the craziest gimmicks.
Angle was too intense for his own good. Should've taken a year or two out to get himself right.
also its really weird that there are people commenting here like angle taking dozens of pills just to get thru each day was totally fine as long as they were entertained by him 😬
So I guess it's fair to say that Kurt was surpassing mid to late 90s HBK levels?? Incredible.
Thank the Lord that both of them are still here to tell their (and other) stories.
Kurt angle. Vs. brett hart. Or kurt angle vs. mr perfect. Was my dream matches. Tht never happened 👋
Kirk Angel!
MR.ANGLE MAY I PLAY WITH YOUR BALL.
Worse thing about wrestling is wrestlers who think they are over.
0:08
Dutch is gay
“Let me see it” 😂
ask Dutch what his original screen name was on Yahoo chat
I think the ole Drity Dutchman has the 2nd best podcast behind Jim Cornette
Angle looks used and abused now days