Why would a Fiddlesticks start bluebuff?? red+raptors (at the same time lvl1) is far more efficient and easy to pull of, while u need to wait for gromp to even spawn in
dose it matter what jungle your playing when doing these invades? what i mean by this is say your playing lillia, is it bad to do the blue, gromp, red, then enemy blue invade considering lillia should avoid doing gromp in her first clear? (pls reply)
proguides has been pumping a lot more videos out lately, and I think it's in direct response to Skill-capped's backlog. Their "Become A -insert role- Legend" series is probably the best backlog of guides for LoL you could ever find on youtube. If you're looking to improve, don't just wait for new guides to come out, they've got playlists of 50+ videos for each individual role already queued up.
at 9:30 the reason she did raprtos is because ekko kn ows that nidalle its much stronger so when he founds out blue and frog is missing he will most likely go nidas raptors and krugs before resetting so nida denied raptors too before going topside
@@jettybird try not to copy pro players, their methods have a higher risk/need more skill, but have a higher potential. In your case, i assume you are not a pro player, so you shouldn't copy them too much
please, pay attention to missing mana when the enemy team tries to make a fake leash - people usually forget that their mana can be tracked as well, so you can get some valueable information out of that (in this case, obivously where did the enemy jungle start)
I kid you not, my RNG must be terrible but in my Silver 2 NA server games. the enemy top has been around to ward the upper buff MOST of the time whenever I try to steal it lvl 1 then my tempo gets screwed lol
What i learned from this video is to ban lee sin A lee sin that can hit his Q is a broken lee sin Usually when facing him, i never had to worry about that kind of stuff, but now that i and so many people saw this video and know what they are capable off = lee permaban I still appreciate the effort and the video, mad respect to skill capped
The fact that the guides has kayn on the red-krugs-raptors-blue,while Kayn mains do wolfs-blue or red - raptors - to blue side scattle( if didn't got blue,do blue first)and invade or gank.
Super cheesy kayn specific invade that is hilarious when it works: If you're blue side and enemy jungler is starting top (so red buff), you can actually start enemy birds leashless, then instantly level up your E, E through the red wall, smite their red away, and walk out, leaving enemy at level 1, with no birds, no red buff and having to do a leashless camp
OMG when you have lane prio you can invade! What a surprise! Also, if the laners lay some late vision, this kind of strats can go super wrong. (trading objectives at best, getting collapsed on at worse) If you're up against one of the champs that can do that kind of invades, just ward your second objective at 58 seconds (backing at ~50 and putting the ward just before the recall is complete), then go to the first objective, that way you can see if you have to invade to trade back, or to collapse on the ennemy jungler according to priority and situation. You can also go with a pink instead of the potion if your clear is healthy enough, put the pink in the brush next to your blue/red, to make sure it doesn't get stolen.
I enjoy that you said "get the rank you always wanted" and not the rank you deserve. These kids need to understand nothing is free work for what you get.
for the first example i find it hard to see low elo junglers starting top side on a full clear jungler, even more a taliyah who needs a lot of mana, this varies with every champ but a full clear jungler in low elo will always start bot side, i can assure that, unless something happens pre first minute. That strat could be done if you were red side though.
@@Nekufan1000000 yeah in low elo that kinda happens, but what you want to do with poppy jungle usually a standard 4 camp clear and then check what you can do, try to figure early where you want to path to and if you can fight his jungler in scuttle at lvl3
so this is the "hardly" b/c it's before first back so you don't have control wards, so the vision is worth more than the ward hop. for the remainder of the game you can save for hopping but you want to establish jungle diff with this deep ward
Can we get a tutorial that gives a strategy to shutdown the early game jungler when we are the farming jungle? Early game junglers already have enough tools to shut down a farming jungle...
the point of a farming jungler is that they are countered by early invades and 1v1s in the jungle vs say a lee sin or an elise. if they had the ability to shutdown early game junglers and power farm they would just be broken. However, if you're team and you have succeeded in tracking enemy jungler and you can catch him low at a camp and team rotates...that is viable.
I would like to see routes that doesn't require follow up from the laners, i play in gold2 and a lot of times my teammates don't help me even when they have lane prio. I know about the full clear strategy but i need an agressive solo-earlygame-route
You have to know your jungle matchup and imagine which lanes are going to rotate first. If you can 1v1 enemy jungler or stall for your lanes to rotate after physically looking at those lanes, then you can try one of the strategies.
Please don't continue doing things like 'Please stick around for all 5 invades, because the last one is especially brutal." That's just shamelessly begging for views, and part of why I watch you instead of mobalytics or proguides is because you don't clickbait or pander, and just release good content.
Maybe because of utility when it comes to invading/clearing enemy jg since only the first part of the E makes damage (area damage) and he is stealing single unit camps, instead, the W would give him a bigger shield (I think it is 55 at lvl 1 and 100~ at lvl 2) and also the second part of the W gives him 15% lifesteal at lvl 2, since he is going to be dealing with one enemy unit at a time (either camp or champion) I think going for 2 points on W is more viable to not lose much HP so even if the enemy jg arrives faster he will find you at almost full HP, something that I will also apply and try on my future games, I mean, I knew the numbers but never actually considered it until now, thanks for pointing it out.
Yes I tried this 1st route after which I warded and we saw him take group for 1 min then he walks bot and still gets a double kill with me spampinging he is there! Cool guide! My team was spamming jng diff because it’s my fault he is 2 kills ahead on a farming jngler! Gg!
I just realized that 5 games ago, or something like that, my enemy jungler just pulled the first one on me. I mostly play Kayn so I do the Red Krugs Raptors WOlves Blue Grump Scuttle path, when I was taking my Raptors my Adc or Supp ( I don't really remember which one told me to invade my enemy jungler's blue because he took my blue ( I was against a Jax) so I just took his Blue then ran to my wolves, saw they werent there, neither the grump.
like enemy starts red and you just solo clear their raps next to them? nope too weird. Also with kayn you only want to invade vs really weak jg early like Evelynn, Amumu, maybe taliyah
Dumb Asshe that’s actual a start in Korea,another RUclipsr called Virkayu did a video on it in his kayn guide,and yes it is good u just remove the enemy jungler from the game
I already annoyied by this video, because i exactly know that my fellow junglers in silver "wont do these routes" and these are "only for high elo players"
Yeah but in the same way just abuse what you know they will do. I trust silver players to go buff -> buff -> look for gank or farm whatever is nearby They're gonna default to starting red if they're playing someone like Yi and blue if they're playing Sej or Eve or something Know thine (dumbass) enemy In silver I just ward enemy topside buff if I expect them to start botside and have my botlane cover my botside buff and then often invade level 1 even on Eve or Wukong or someone with no CC level 1 and get away with 9 times out of 10
12:22 what if Lee does red krugs raptors. Then he doesnt need to smite krugs and smites the big raptor instead (which means you dont have the smite advantage). Atleast thats how I do it and I find it very efficient but Im a low elo newbie so.
Raptors invade is for strong early jgs against weak early jg. I don't know if it's even possible against Lee Sin. You have to clear Red -> walk to Blue and clear it, then get to enemy raptors before they clear Red -> Krugs -> Raptors. That's a long travel time, and Lee clears pretty fast. Lee can finish Red, q over the wall on krugs, then use blast cone to position to q straight onto the big raptor and auto once or twice + smite and it's dead. I think you just do this when you clear fast and the enemy clears slow and is weak early.
I literally was ahead 90cs on the enemy jungler took 4 turrets and an inhib then my team said hey we are winning let's run it down and throw everything weeee
yummi in tri bush vs leona wtf is this elo man? i mean if they are challenger whats the reason of squishy chamo like yummi which if get cced cant w for 5 second be in there vs Leona?
I feel like you vastly underestimate the things that silver players do or try to do. A lot of the things you assume "low elo" players won't do are actually very common in Silver. But... you wouldn't know that...
Shame none of this works in bronze as a jungle and people don’t know how to play different jungle styles and therefore all do blue - gromp - red - gank strategy
Generally speaking you could do a few things - Ward your camps so you'll have the information to choose an appropriate alternative path if you get invaded - Pick a strong early jungler so you can contest these invades easier - Rely on scaling and later parts of the game if you're playing a jungler that isn't as strong early in the game. That's why you chose that champion, no? Early junglers tend to scale worse than other junglers (ex: Evelynn arguably outscales Olaf later in the game)
Many regions see invades in challenger. People like to look to the Korean servers though as they're seen by many as the most competitive, especially with Korea having won almost all of the international finals (thanks to SKT)
@@fliqpythekiller9950 He says "Be sure to stick around for all 5 invades because the last one is especially brutal...", which is basically straight off a Buzzfeed page. I find it comical, and I agree that the content is very good.
@@tomgreen8806 it didn't used to be like that yeah. It's only downhill from here. They are gonna use more and more "clickbait" with every video like every other youtube channel...
when I play kayn Jungle I usually start their raptors, level up e, and check red buff with e. If enemy jungler started red, I just smite it and steal it lmao. if they didn't i just clear the red.
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1:33 isn't it execute? :p
I'll always be sending people your way.
Why would a Fiddlesticks start bluebuff?? red+raptors (at the same time lvl1) is far more efficient and easy to pull of, while u need to wait for gromp to even spawn in
dose it matter what jungle your playing when doing these invades? what i mean by this is say your playing lillia, is it bad to do the blue, gromp, red, then enemy blue invade considering lillia should avoid doing gromp in her first clear? (pls reply)
the thumbnail was so different than the usual that i went "crap it's a proguides video in my recommended AGAIN" until i looked at the channel name smh
Me too! Pro guide always click bait,they are like you want to climb rank,just carry your team!😂😂
Haha fuck Pro Guides :p
proguides has been pumping a lot more videos out lately, and I think it's in direct response to Skill-capped's backlog. Their "Become A -insert role- Legend" series is probably the best backlog of guides for LoL you could ever find on youtube. If you're looking to improve, don't just wait for new guides to come out, they've got playlists of 50+ videos for each individual role already queued up.
at 9:30 the reason she did raprtos is because ekko kn ows that nidalle its much stronger so when he founds out blue and frog is missing he will most likely go nidas raptors and krugs before resetting so nida denied raptors too before going topside
This is why I wish people would just stop mindlessly watching these videos.
Layers of complexity just keep coming me has smol bren
The name of the background music, please Skilled Capped? - Day 33
Probably custom made for their videos
This feels like the “How to punish Talisman Junglers Guide”
That is kinda how invades go
i actually play machete taliyah as some koreans do so bully junglers cant invade
@@jettybird the difference between you and the koreans is that youre silver and the koreans are actually good enough to pull it off
@@jettybird try not to copy pro players, their methods have a higher risk/need more skill, but have a higher potential. In your case, i assume you are not a pro player, so you shouldn't copy them too much
please, pay attention to missing mana when the enemy team tries to make a fake leash - people usually forget that their mana can be tracked as well, so you can get some valueable information out of that (in this case, obivously where did the enemy jungle start)
skill capped > proguides
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Legit top 10 fav videos on this channel
I kid you not, my RNG must be terrible but in my Silver 2 NA server games. the enemy top has been around to ward the upper buff MOST of the time whenever I try to steal it lvl 1 then my tempo gets screwed lol
What i learned from this video is to ban lee sin
A lee sin that can hit his Q is a broken lee sin
Usually when facing him, i never had to worry about that kind of stuff, but now that i and so many people saw this video and know what they are capable off = lee permaban
I still appreciate the effort and the video, mad respect to skill capped
Of all the guide subscription videos that are available, id most probably sign for skill capped
The fact that the guides has kayn on the red-krugs-raptors-blue,while Kayn mains do wolfs-blue or red - raptors - to blue side scattle( if didn't got blue,do blue first)and invade or gank.
Super cheesy kayn specific invade that is hilarious when it works: If you're blue side and enemy jungler is starting top (so red buff), you can actually start enemy birds leashless, then instantly level up your E, E through the red wall, smite their red away, and walk out, leaving enemy at level 1, with no birds, no red buff and having to do a leashless camp
Never played Kayn but what do you take lvl 1?
OMG when you have lane prio you can invade! What a surprise! Also, if the laners lay some late vision, this kind of strats can go super wrong. (trading objectives at best, getting collapsed on at worse) If you're up against one of the champs that can do that kind of invades, just ward your second objective at 58 seconds (backing at ~50 and putting the ward just before the recall is complete), then go to the first objective, that way you can see if you have to invade to trade back, or to collapse on the ennemy jungler according to priority and situation. You can also go with a pink instead of the potion if your clear is healthy enough, put the pink in the brush next to your blue/red, to make sure it doesn't get stolen.
I enjoy that you said "get the rank you always wanted" and not the rank you deserve. These kids need to understand nothing is free work for what you get.
For talisman junglers is it feasible to make full clear starting in the blue? Or the only place where you should start is in red?
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Excellent video
for the first example i find it hard to see low elo junglers starting top side on a full clear jungler, even more a taliyah who needs a lot of mana, this varies with every champ but a full clear jungler in low elo will always start bot side, i can assure that, unless something happens pre first minute. That strat could be done if you were red side though.
all kayn players start red in low elo...
Skiper Hamster yeah but he clears too fast to be invadable
@@Nekufan1000000 yeah in low elo that kinda happens, but what you want to do with poppy jungle usually a standard 4 camp clear and then check what you can do, try to figure early where you want to path to and if you can fight his jungler in scuttle at lvl3
Ate you not doing tierlists anymore? great video
They already did on this patch I think.
Gaboo the Filipinoo we r on patch 10.14 and their last tierlist was for 10.12 :(
5:54 I hardly ward as Lee Sin, as I think I'd need it to gank or escape. Is putting the ward down there good enough to make up for that? Thanks
so this is the "hardly" b/c it's before first back so you don't have control wards, so the vision is worth more than the ward hop. for the remainder of the game you can save for hopping but you want to establish jungle diff with this deep ward
A huge thank you for all the effort u guys put on those vids
If they say "the last one is especially brutal" or something similar, you know that that's going to be the weakest invade route of them all.
Quality content as usual! Skill Capped Challenger is much better than ProGuides. A lot less sketchy too.
4:35 Couldn't Sylas just ward his blue at 58 with his recall?
Can we get a tutorial that gives a strategy to shutdown the early game jungler when we are the farming jungle? Early game junglers already have enough tools to shut down a farming jungle...
the point of a farming jungler is that they are countered by early invades and 1v1s in the jungle vs say a lee sin or an elise. if they had the ability to shutdown early game junglers and power farm they would just be broken. However, if you're team and you have succeeded in tracking enemy jungler and you can catch him low at a camp and team rotates...that is viable.
12:50 Nocturne in this patch as well clears pretty quickly
I would like to see routes that doesn't require follow up from the laners, i play in gold2 and a lot of times my teammates don't help me even when they have lane prio. I know about the full clear strategy but i need an agressive solo-earlygame-route
Are there any ways you could do something like this on champs like Ekko or evelynn?
You have to know your jungle matchup and imagine which lanes are going to rotate first. If you can 1v1 enemy jungler or stall for your lanes to rotate after physically looking at those lanes, then you can try one of the strategies.
Ekko is more likely than Eve, the latter's early game is too bad for invades imo
@@cobravictim ur right eve is better off farming and counter jungling than fighting the enemy jungler
Trey Roush ban them
With Ekko you'd have to do stuff that favors hitting level 3. He's not strong at 2 at all.
Did you stop doing the tier list per patch videos?
Please don't continue doing things like 'Please stick around for all 5 invades, because the last one is especially brutal." That's just shamelessly begging for views, and part of why I watch you instead of mobalytics or proguides is because you don't clickbait or pander, and just release good content.
Yet they do indeed do that as you just demonstrated 😛 Wild
But you watched?
it'd only be "shameless begging for views" as you call it, if the in-between content was mediocre or worthless content.
You could add a summary of the routes as you did in other videos.
15:05 This lee preferred taking another point in W on lvl 3 rather than having his E? I'm confused
Maybe because of utility when it comes to invading/clearing enemy jg since only the first part of the E makes damage (area damage) and he is stealing single unit camps, instead, the W would give him a bigger shield (I think it is 55 at lvl 1 and 100~ at lvl 2) and also the second part of the W gives him 15% lifesteal at lvl 2, since he is going to be dealing with one enemy unit at a time (either camp or champion) I think going for 2 points on W is more viable to not lose much HP so even if the enemy jg arrives faster he will find you at almost full HP, something that I will also apply and try on my future games, I mean, I knew the numbers but never actually considered it until now, thanks for pointing it out.
Love this guide
is graves good for a full clear?
Have you guys stopped doing tierlists? Really enjoyed those as i switch my champ pool to contain at least 2 of the op/S category champs
Yes I tried this 1st route after which I warded and we saw him take group for 1 min then he walks bot and still gets a double kill with me spampinging he is there! Cool guide! My team was spamming jng diff because it’s my fault he is 2 kills ahead on a farming jngler! Gg!
sounds like a low elo problem, only bad players complain about teammates
9:17 I feel personally attacked.
Me too
I just realized that 5 games ago, or something like that, my enemy jungler just pulled the first one on me. I mostly play Kayn so I do the Red Krugs Raptors WOlves Blue Grump Scuttle path, when I was taking my Raptors my Adc or Supp ( I don't really remember which one told me to invade my enemy jungler's blue because he took my blue ( I was against a Jax) so I just took his Blue then ran to my wolves, saw they werent there, neither the grump.
On one of your videos I got a pro guides ad lol
Is getting the enemy raptors and trying e steal the enemy red as kayn good?
Dont talk about my English pls
like enemy starts red and you just solo clear their raps next to them? nope too weird. Also with kayn you only want to invade vs really weak jg early like Evelynn, Amumu, maybe taliyah
Dumb Asshe that’s actual a start in Korea,another RUclipsr called Virkayu did a video on it in his kayn guide,and yes it is good u just remove the enemy jungler from the game
I already annoyied by this video, because i exactly know that my fellow junglers in silver "wont do these routes" and these are "only for high elo players"
Yeah but in the same way just abuse what you know they will do.
I trust silver players to go buff -> buff -> look for gank or farm whatever is nearby
They're gonna default to starting red if they're playing someone like Yi and blue if they're playing Sej or Eve or something
Know thine (dumbass) enemy
In silver I just ward enemy topside buff if I expect them to start botside and have my botlane cover my botside buff and then often invade level 1 even on Eve or Wukong or someone with no CC level 1 and get away with 9 times out of 10
what if your fellow junglers in silver also watched this video? :O
12:22 what if Lee does red krugs raptors. Then he doesnt need to smite krugs and smites the big raptor instead (which means you dont have the smite advantage). Atleast thats how I do it and I find it very efficient but Im a low elo newbie so.
Raptors invade is for strong early jgs against weak early jg. I don't know if it's even possible against Lee Sin. You have to clear Red -> walk to Blue and clear it, then get to enemy raptors before they clear Red -> Krugs -> Raptors. That's a long travel time, and Lee clears pretty fast. Lee can finish Red, q over the wall on krugs, then use blast cone to position to q straight onto the big raptor and auto once or twice + smite and it's dead. I think you just do this when you clear fast and the enemy clears slow and is weak early.
@@tcs.eldavido701 ohhh thnx that makes a lot more sense
what happened to the tier list videos? :( you guys were my go to channel for that.
Does skill cap sub cover wild rift?
Kayn can also do this due to his crazy clear speed and might pickup a first blood if enemy jg is weak early (like Ekko LOL)
9:31 how did that even miss?
ended between the two right-most chickens lol
In the main junglers that start Red u can add shaco
1:55 Full clear talisman jungler Master yi? What
And this entire thing can go completely wrong if you simply ward your buff like cuzz used to do.
Is there any way to get Korean replays without a KR account?
Check out Challenger Replays channel
Domisumreplay
Minute of slience for all the bullied ekkos
Someone have full last lee game replay?
did any jungler buy their service? anyone who can give it a thumb up?
I love skillcapped 😊
I literally was ahead 90cs on the enemy jungler took 4 turrets and an inhib then my team said hey we are winning let's run it down and throw everything weeee
ayy good vid i was already ascended and doing that buff ward
BRING BACK TIER LIST VIDEOS SIR
yummi in tri bush vs leona wtf is this elo man? i mean if they are challenger whats the reason of squishy chamo like yummi which if get cced cant w for 5 second be in there vs Leona?
I feel like you vastly underestimate the things that silver players do or try to do. A lot of the things you assume "low elo" players won't do are actually very common in Silver. But... you wouldn't know that...
Shame none of this works in bronze as a jungle and people don’t know how to play different jungle styles and therefore all do blue - gromp - red - gank strategy
5:30 - Don Arts invade
Bruh but what if the routes are literally broken? Like how do you walk them?
this shit never works against me .... i ward at 1 min my opposite buff
all this crap can be solved by what i said earlier i almost never loose a jungle matchup and invades are a thing of the past for me
Okay, but how do I counter enemy invade?
Your team must cover your jungle entrances, by warding your camps
Generally speaking you could do a few things
- Ward your camps so you'll have the information to choose an appropriate alternative path if you get invaded
- Pick a strong early jungler so you can contest these invades easier
- Rely on scaling and later parts of the game if you're playing a jungler that isn't as strong early in the game. That's why you chose that champion, no? Early junglers tend to scale worse than other junglers (ex: Evelynn arguably outscales Olaf later in the game)
lol. korean tactics hidden op
Kayn mains ?
Lol, I'm going to follow these Korean tactics.
I can't tell when sentences start, or end, due to the intonation of his speech.
is there something that isn't Korean???
Many regions see invades in challenger. People like to look to the Korean servers though as they're seen by many as the most competitive, especially with Korea having won almost all of the international finals (thanks to SKT)
Title should be Ekko is a disgusting champion so here's how you mess him up
Moral of the story: Don't play ekko jungle in Korean Challenger
im in IRON we dont do jungle in iron !!!!!!!!!!
Korea #1
applied the strats for plat elo.... got 4 "?" pings from team mates following up with " InVaDE FoR? " " pLAY SafE pLS nOOB?
i like romanian gank strategies more
The intros to the videos are getting more and more clickbaity. Lol
What do you mean? I don't see it...
wtf an intro??? how is an intro clickbaity?
Not sure what you mean by "clickbaity intros", but at least the content is decent unlike other channels like proguides
@@fliqpythekiller9950 He says "Be sure to stick around for all 5 invades because the last one is especially brutal...", which is basically straight off a Buzzfeed page. I find it comical, and I agree that the content is very good.
@@tomgreen8806 it didn't used to be like that yeah. It's only downhill from here. They are gonna use more and more "clickbait" with every video like every other youtube channel...
Earlier than my junglers smite on elder.
when I play kayn Jungle I usually start their raptors, level up e, and check red buff with e. If enemy jungler started red, I just smite it and steal it lmao. if they didn't i just clear the red.
Wat elo are you playing? Wood?
@@planetruths1373 i've seen Metaphor do this in the top of NA challenger lol
@@Speedy-Rabbit it's just super risky especially if you have a decent mid.
LAN > NA 1v1 me if wrong.
First I got God Fist Lee skin, now this video gets uploaded. Maybe I should become a jungler...?
Wouldn't recommend starting with Lee Sin, but hey maybe you should give it a try ^^
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rule 1: don't play Ekko jungle.
Why not?
@@deanj6722 whatch the video :)
5th
I'm kinda early
Don't do any of this in gold/plat elo. You will 100% int.