It's ironic that the world in AOT almost ended up becoming the world it was supposed to be at the beginning of the manga: a world in which all people outside the walls were exterminated by the titans.
More than it is ironic, I think it's thematically appropriate and somewhat foreshadowed. What Eren and Armin always wanted was a world they could be free to explore and build upon with their own wills and dreams. By the end it's as if they've crafted that world themselves, but at a huge cost. They had to enact their own lived nightmare in order to reach their true goals, though Eren clearly is the one with greater agency.
It was kind-of also metaphorical. His freedom had caused him to lose his right hand. Note that: RIGHT. From when he started realising the flaws of the OG government, he started saluting with his left hand. His deviant hand. Even in death, he still knows that the world is very flawed, and the only truth is to deviate.
Eren: "No, I don't want that! Mikasa finding another man…?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of her life!" *Levi sees the ghosts of his dead comrades* Levi: "Guess this is the result of all your devoted hearts..." *Sheds a single tear* Yeah, that was by far the scene with the best unintentional comedy
Can't feel anything for it when he says billions of death were the result of their dedicated hearts. It was a very forcedand messy way to make this ending less bitter
@Porco Galliard It does suck to see an entire series that you loved get retrospectively ruined by 4 chapters. It does suck that there is nothing to cherish about the character slaughter Isayama calls an ending.
chill man, there are a ton of stories better than AOT, you'll probably read many more in your lifetime, this was honestly good but only above mediocre for me but I've read many novels with a better plot and conclusion, its nothing THAT special.
Isayama has said that the Anime is the definitive version and has used the medium to correct things he didn't like about the way the story was presented in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he took the chance to let the ending breathe more in its anime form as well. That would clear up many of the issues, especially the ones you talked about here.
Dont know how i feel about that cause it seems to have excluded the "see you later" scene and even mikasas characterization to an extent. I guess any newcomers should consume both the anime and manga for the full experience
It’s weird how much I relate to this... I have exams coming up, and I’ve been so caught up in preparing that I almost didn’t see this notification for this video.
I like to think that one of the reasons why Eren freaked out at the end of the Liberio raid when Sasha died was because he realized that she HAD to, that there was no possibility to actually save her. She was doomed to die regardless of what he did.
Funnily enough, this would actually make sense irl as well, since Isayama had planned to kill Sasha much earlier but his editor thought she should live. She got to escape death then, but she was always meant to die
Stupid theory, Eren shouldve know years prior if we are going with this "oh eren was omnipotent" bullshit. This ending was garbage in both direction and execution.
Isayama probably will instruct Mappa to extend the scenes to make it more sense in the end. That or make the dialogue make more sense for those who thought wtf was going on in the final chapter
Knowing the homage, he will ask them to make the Eren crying about Mikasa finding another guy scene even more funny. Cause that, that was 100% the plan since the final arc. Isayama loves his Gundam/Mecha
@@dekaidoku true, they probably will! The same applies to Armin's reaction: "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us" will probably be extended to a certain degree for the sentence to be in character for Armin. Im happy with the ending but it sounded so out of character lol
For me personally, AoT had a 7/10 ending but was a 10/10 series. Definitely had some issues with the final chapter of Attack of Titan (such as Ymir's Stockholm Syndrome and the reversal of Connie/Jean/Gabi's fate) but overall, I'm VERY satisfied and feel like I got what I wanted for the most part. The end of an era. PS: You're totally right on in your analysis of AoT's perception of time (it's very similar to the movie Arrival)
Ymir’s Stockholm syndrome makes sense though considering she was born a slave girl and the only time she was shown praise was when she acted subservient like a slave. She mistook that for love because that’s all she knew it to be.
Jean, Connie and Levi surviving everything is the sweet part of the ending. Everything else leaves a bitter aftertaste, but that's exactly what I signed up for
I don't understand why the reversal of Connie/Jean/Gabi is an issue. Personally, that was one of the best parts of the chapter for me. They never died, all they did was became mindless titans. If an eldian can turn into a titan, it's only natural for them to return to being a human once the power of titans is removed.
I REALLY hope MAPPA is given the chance to stretch this chapter out to make it more digestible and give it room to breath. You put it into perfect words what this chapter suffers from and I really believe that if given the chance, MAPPA can really bring out the potential of this chapter and see that it’s cooked and ready.
it is deus ex machina problem, if u want to introduce a "time travel" and almighty power, you have to prepare how the power works and must consistent enough to make reader believe it. you know the story is bad when u r comparing the series with avenger story for an excuse.
@@ixiryr2315 I don't see it being a Deus Ex Machina. Time has been a part of AoT since the chapter where Eren kissed Historias hand. & even before when Grisha talked to Kruger. The problem was that it wasn't explained. Eren just dropped this info on us and refused to elaborate, presumably because Isayama had no time to do so
Do you guys even know what is deus x machina?@@shokyle that's the point, we don't know anything about the power, for example why only eren can use this? why kruger / grisha / even the ancestor didn't use it against ymir to warn her because clearly ymir was the antagonist at this point. And about ymir, if ymir can do anything to eldian including removing titan curse, why king fritz who want peace didn't do that? Ymir is still a servant at this point before eren break her free after meeting her at path, so she will listen to the fritz right ? but nooooo... It has to be mikasa, CONVENIENTLY MIKASA who is generic toxic/protective/want to be dominated girlfriend to kill her lover. It is hard to believe after thousand year there is noone similar to mikasa when war waged hundred and thousand war.
I think the most ironic thing about Eren is that although he fought and strives for Freedom, he himself was never free. Forever bound to a single path that would lead his people to salvation, but never him.
He truly never was free, even if you took the whole time memories thingy, he was fated to die in 4 years and he never had a break ever since the colossal appeared in the first chapter. Damn
@Who Am i well he is a slave to himself in a way, he was just following memories, but those were still HIS memories, of things he would eventually do, the chapter reinforces this when Eren states that even if he never knew about his friends stopping him, he would have continued the rumbling anyway, seeking freedom, but this still hurts him because he's well aware that what he's doing is wrong, and that the people he would kill, are innocent. The fact that he even influenced the past, forcing Grisha to give him the Attack titanz and allowing Dina to eat his own mother, setting things into motion hammers all of this down even more.
The pacing in the anime between armin and erin fixed so much of this. I watched it without any spoilers. It hit really hard. They added extra dialogue letting the conversation breathe a little.
The main reason I think the chapter was rushed was just because Isayama was exhausted beyond measure. As he said, he was too tired to feel sad or miserable while finishing the chapter, which fair enough, he has been doing this nonstop for 10 to 11 years.
Also I think he said something about it being symbolic ending on chapter 139. 13 years representing the curse of Ymir, and the 9 representing the 9 Titans. While symbolism is cool and all, I’d rather see a chapter 140 or at least a longer 139 and see all of the points further elaborated like Mark said
@@mattkju4037 I mean he kinda did😬 they no longer have Titans to defend themselves. They were already a century behind in warfare. And the world still hates them. They aren’t free. Even historia recognized this by saying “until one is eradicated we shall never be free...” like 💀 all he did was die and murder 80% of the globe 😭 and make them hate them even MORE. Like can you imagine “an Eldian destroyed the world!” And their still around 🌝 I felt like he was tryna pull a Lelouch from code Geass but it was a La flop 😬 He didn’t have unity through his death. All he had was a defenseless race now hated even more throughout the world 💀 but Isayama is supposed to add more pages to the final volumes. Maybe he can salvage it; but I doubt it 🥴
@@StxtchKiss eldia was unscrathed for the most part, eren killed 80% of the globe but now Eldia is the new superpower bro. The Eldians are free from the curse of the titans and now they have time to come up with diplomatic solutions which is why eren left it into the hands of Armin
I saw someone point out in the final scene of the boy walking up to Eren's great tree, the boy exploring the hollow has a dog with him, and presumably goes into it willingly. While Ymir was chased by dogs and on the verge of death. The idea being that even if things repeat, maybe the ultimate fate of the cycle of violence is these minor differences that might mean the curses of the world we leave behind are just a bit better than what we had to fight in our time.
Exactly. It's possible even if the boy does make contact with the worm, it won't create titans. When Ymir fell into the tree, she was focused on only one thing, survival at all costs. So the worm gave her the power to do so, to become bigger, stronger, and have an undying body. The boy on the other hand is seemingly an explorer, driven by curiosity. So the worm could create something entirely different in response to him.
@angstyteen6042 the ending is melancholic, I'd still like it even if I didn't think the overall message was about the faint glimmer of hope that we can make things better. Just thought the mirroring of the story was cool and that the differences between Ymir and the boy were interesting.
@angstyteen6042 I am a sucker for ending stories where they started, gives a nice bookend feeling to things. But I also find the overall narrative of the cycle of violence compelling, as well as the idea of Eren being a slave to his nature and childhood trauma. As far as story structure goes, I consider the rumbling as the real climax to the story and everything that follows as a falling action that ties things together. I do think there are legitimate criticisms (especially of the manga ending) but I still can't help but be deeply moved by the story and its ending.
@@yiangaruga4928 That is sad. I mean, first eps are really good since they cover what the new series doesn't, but if he sticks purely to it, the transition to the new designs is gonna painful for him.
@@sunwukong5518 Some guy said that his editor is gonna make him watch the 1999 version... And I didn't really wanna believe that but if you look at the very end of this video he's showing footage of the 1999 anime ._. If I'm honest I think that's a really bad decision.. Most people are only familiar with the 2011 anime, it's really well made and 1999 has alot of issues with pacing, theme and it ends in a really unsatisfying way. It also doesn't have the Chimera ant arc. Sigh...
@@yiangaruga4928 I still believe he will do the manga. With One Piece he didn't always only show the original anime. Sometimes there were scenes of the specials and movies.
Editor-san, probably: Let's put a nice little image of Levi's final salute while Mark says I love you and goodbye to the series. That should get people's tears rolling.
Feels like the ending, while a bit flat and not all that well told, doesn't undo the rest of the series, and still retains its own merits to some degree. AoT still seems very much like a series worth reading or watching from start to finish.
@@a_mc1569 The 139 chapter count is beautifully symbolic, but I feel like this decision hurt the pacing of the final arc a lot. You could easily stretch the contents of this chapter over 2 or 3 chapters and it probably still wouldn't be perfect, but way better than what we got.
to an extent for sure, but erens character feels totally fake after ch90 and that he was following fate, and the ymir subplot is meh cause now she has stockholm syndrome. everything up until 123 is a damn masterpeice but after it gets really iffy. every manga has its worse arcs though sucks that the worst arc was probably the last.
@@Fabiocean2000 Destroying your MC'S whole personality and ideology and logic of the series just to make the ending "symbolic" and "ironic" is horrible writing. This ending turned this series into a joke and feel disrespectful to people who followed this series for a long time expecting a good pay-off not this garbage.
I've had this video in my watch later playlist since the day it released since I was an anime only viewer. Today, I'm coming back to it, purely because I absolutely LOVE your method of analysing and reviewing content
same I always watch his reviews of things I just finished watching as it acts as a good way to sort out how I fell about a show and get what I truly want to take from it at the end.
I really hope the anime adaptation will extend this ending, to explain more of the plot points much more in detail and less rushed. Overall AOT is a solid piece of art. Isayama can now go build his spa in peace.
Oh believe it or not, that might be happening. The Taikoubon/Volume Version of the Series will have few extra chapters and they been hinting that Eren has memories of the version of him as a High Schooler from the End of the Volume Attack on Titan High School Parody. Hinting that its somehow going to connect. Probably Eren's going to reincarnate into that version of himself at the ending. Likely as an homage to the Series Muv Luv, which is about a dude from a RomCom World going to a Hardcore Serious as Fuck Mecha World.
My feelings on the finale are a little split, I feel the last chapter was under whelming, rushed, and I just got pulled out of it. But on the other hand I don’t think that it ruins the story, and at the end of the day the final chapter feels like it wrapped it up in a believable way.
that's because it doesn't ruin the story, the ending was foreshadowed ever since the interaction between armin, eren and mikasa. Everything built up to this and it's suprising to me that most people don't see it that way
Good news about the final chapter. Its confirmed the volume releases final chapter will have more pages in it. It's very likely that the chapter we got was only a small portion due to the magazines page limit
@@reinaldomartinez13 www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mnlxk5/every_line_of_eren_in_139_and_how_on_average_each/ this thread does a good job of showing how out of character Eren was in the last chapter
@@reinaldomartinez13 just because it was well foreshadowed doesn't make it good, I saw the ending coming a mile away but that doesn't mean I like having the manga tell me that I should feel bad about it, that I should feel sympathy for eren in this case
@@JDraks gonna be real right now - Titanfolk is the absolute core of the toxic bs that ruined the AoT fandom. Titanfolk were the ones who got so attached to their theories and Titanfolk are the ones who wet their pants so hard when the textual evidence they made up was kicked out by the thematically consistent actual ending
I feel like Isayama has been hit so hard with being rushed. There is NO DOUBT that had the final chapter been extended to 140, the ending would be infinitely better.
This is a long comment, but I hope someone reads it. I had figured out quite a number of reveals of this chapter long in advance that I hadn't stopped to think how difficult it might be for others to suddenly get them all in 20 pages. For me, it was a constant barrage of "Yes, he's confirming it!", but it's probably too much if you hadn't expected these answers. I'll try to elaborate on why I think it's this way though, even if I would have preferred a double length chapter. I should mention that the understanding of future sight is a little wrong though. It's not like Doctor Strange where Eren can see all possibilities. There's only one future he can see, and it's only glimpses and shards of memories. Back in 121, I began to wonder if this meant that Eren wasn't as free as the story was letting on. I understood that the implications of him being able to alter Eldians in the past meant that he could have saved his mother. He could have changed a lot of things. But no matter how much he wanted to, he knew he couldn't. He was bound by ensuring the future he was chasing would come to pass. Eren himself is a character who chases freedom, but why would you chase something you already have? He once said that the moment he realized he wasn't free was when he and Armin read that book as kids. He saw the look in Armin's eyes, like they could see an amazing dream that Eren couldn't see. Eren notices this very same look when they explore the world together this chapter. Eren is bound by a future he knows while Armin can move towards an unknown future with hope in his heart. The timeline is the way it is because of Eren, and it speaks volumes as to his motivations Speaking for Eren's motivations, I'm surprised so many people thought he would kill his friends. The trauma of losing his mother, Squad Levi, Hannes, and all the others is his most profound pain. Even after he stops seeking revenge, he never stops holding that fear of losing his loved ones. Hannes' death scene in the anime especially hammers it in so deeply. Eren screams that nothing had changed, in reference to Hannes telling him early on that he wasn't strong enough to save his mother. Eren's love for his friends, his surrogate family, is one of the most integral elements to his character, enough that he would stand up to Levi for even thinking of choosing Erwin over Armin. I had wondered why people thought his father's memories had changed him into pursuing his nation's total freedom over his friends. In 89, Eren finishes recalling his memories but is still essentially the same person. It was only once he kissed Historia's hand that everything changed for him, and the rest of the series followed a much grimmer Eren. Without the explanation that came in 121 that he could see the future, the assumption in the meantime became succumbing to nationalism, but I don't think people revised that impression once they learned it was due to him understanding that he was going to kill billions. For the baby, you hit the nail on the head. Back in 107, I had worried that Eren and Historia had taken on the mistakes of their parents and the cycle would continue. You could see them as Grisha and Dina who had Zeke for the purpose of using him. Or you could see them as the royal family who chose to sacrifice themselves to their children so they could continue being tools of King Fritz. For me, the concern was not WHAT the baby would be used for, but if it was going to be used at all. The farmer was intentionally left vague, and many story elements seemingly hinted at a deeper relationship between Eren and Historia, but nothing was ever confirmed even late in the story. And it couldn't be until the very end, because those red herrings kept the mystery box as to what Eren's true motivations and character really were. Eren is the second basement reveal of the series saved for the final chapter. Isayama has said on several occasions that he has wanted his ending to hurt or betray his readers, that those are the works he remembers most. Many red herrings were intentionally included to push readers to certain conclusions when Isayama himself had never outright confirmed anything. The only way he could do this was by revealing everything in one go for the final chapter. You can call Eren whining in the water juvenile, but that is the point. That is him rubbing salt in the wound after pulling the rug out from beneath readers. Even Eren's exaggerated face as Armin punches it is indicative of Isayama's feelings. You just know he had been waiting to do that. It was the ultimate betrayal to readers who thought Eren had become an entirely new person. This was something that could not have possibly been pulled off over two months, so we ended up with a highly compressed conversation. I must admit I wasn't expecting Eren being in love with Mikasa though. I know a lot of people who supported the genocide, Eren killing his friends, and Eren going back to his secret wife Historia and child, and the Mikasa thing is like battery acid on top of a salty wound to them. I'm definitely considering rereading and looking for more on that, but I don't want it to be taken as confirmation bias. I just assumed there would be no romance. But other than that, I had figured out Ymir's motivations, 90% of which are hinted at in 122. It never made sense to me why she just went back to King Fritz after becoming a godlike being and continued to serve him, have children, and even die for him. It's not like Fritz had magic powers, he was just a regular guy, so what was it that kept Ymir bound to his word for 2000 years? Her smile as Mikasa kissed Eren was when I had finally figured it out. If you read this far, thank you.
I...wow. You summed up my thoughts perfectly. I've seen many people claim how this ending especially ruined the genius that was 119-122. I feel people were too awed by Eren's 'genius', him being the 'final boss', etc to realize that that Paths saga is the premise of this ending.
@@kritikasrivastava530 Yeah, it really bugs me that people say the ending was changed when so much of it was clearly foreshadowed, especially in the chapters people believed to be on the path to the "original ending". I started reading the manga before the anime, so I got a similar impression to what Mark said about the openings retroactively feeling like propaganda. I remember thinking back in 2013 that it felt like they were glorifying events that were clearly horrifying, and that certain aspects like Eren's anger were played up. Titans being hideous is reminiscent of wartime propaganda posters and videos that deformed and dehumanized other enemy races. I got very clear anti-war vibes from the series, but so many people took it at face value, that it was epic and cool. I don’t think the genocide was treated positively in the story, but so many people thought it was really cool. I think it was excellent as a story element for all the discussion it could raise, but so many people took it as the obvious solution that they wouldn't think twice about. I don't think Isayama gave his opinion on whether he thought what Eren was doing was right or wrong. Instead, it felt more to me like he was giving this story as a cautionary tale. This is what happens when you let fear and tribalism rule you. This is what happens when you step on others for your own propagation. This is what happens when you don't hold empathy. You will push life into a corner, and when life gets pushed into a corner, it gets desperate and does anything it can to ensure its survival. It's not that the genocide could have been prevented, it's that Attack on Titan's world had reached the point where it was the only thing that could happen, whether it was wiping out all Eldians or everyone else. As our own world develops more complex and destructive ways of warfare, we must always remember that we can't let things reach a point like it did here. We are a complex species and it's in life's building blocks to act in its own personal interests, but we need to have an understanding that the rest of the world is life too.
Yeah I agree, only that I expected Eren and Mikasa to become a thing, especially after ch 50, but then again Mikasa is my favorite character so I would pay extra attention to her and her relationships with others.
@@MACandCHEEZWIZ1 I'm glad someone else finally brings up the genocide part. None of the war is glorified; it's horrific and something no one should ever experience. For me I'm glad the story had the balls to actually go that route, it was refreshing to see. I reread the whole series the past week, and I must say this is the first time I've ever read something that kept bothering me after a day of being finished. It's a tragic and hopeful story. Eren got tired of depending on others and decided to take action to protect those he loved the most. Sasha and Hange were the only ones to die he truly cared about after he took action. His pain and suffering drove him over the edge to finally end it all for everyone. It's like he said, he became the villain so they could be the heroes and start a new life. He took the sins and flaws of the past, present, and future to forge a new beginning.
Erwins speech about them not being forgotten hits hard when you see Jean connie and levi looking at all the people that died along the way. They wont be forgotten. Not by those who still live on and can remember their sacrifice
When u realize that when grinsha said eren wouldn’t show anything else about the future it wasn’t eren not showing him but really he couldn’t see what happens after cuz there is no successor since Titans are gone
That’s just wrong. He was asking Eren for more memories not Eren’s successor. Eren only showed Grisha memories up until when the Colossal Titan broke the first wall but Eren could have sent Grisha memories from all the way to his (Eren’s) death but he only gave Grisha bits and peaces in order to better control Grisha
@@CodeeXD maybe not all of it. At least not what Eren intends to do with it. Grisha complied so that the lives lost before and after would have meaning. So ig it would make sense for grisha to do it despite knowing about the rumbling (albeit not all of it). He did say he wished eren gave him something more.
I never thought about it 'til now but given how strongly Eren feels about Mikasa, I wonder just how much it hurt him to call her a slave and say he hated her? That scene just keeps on becoming more and more painful.
Idk. Doesn't sound as deep or tragic to me at all. Seen this countless times in anime. If Eren had actually already hinted he liked Mikasa, it'd have resonated more.
@@lancevance6346 chapter 50, 131, 138 IRS it's not saying specifically that eren loves mikasa, but its hinted...a d now that we have the validation of those hinted...
they will be saved from curse of leaking shitty leaks and terrible translations that ruined expierience for a lot of ppl and then they were so enraged they didnt care about anything anymore
After finishing the anime adaptation of AOT, I am very convinced that they watched reviews like this one They made changes and extensions that address all of the constructive criticisms presented in this review and a bit from the Colossal One too. It is actually pretty awesome to see.
@@parapasstonga2951 Yes it is, there still a whole ass marley colony that the Rumble did not touch (In the equivalent of South America and Europe of Aot)
if there was some way to boil down totally not marks videos into liquid form and shoot them directly into my veins god knows I'd be living in a crack den by now
Wow, that is a powerful comment. It is impossible to explain how that makes him feel. it struck hard and shows deep thought and contemplation on this topic.
Just a quick headup: the line that Armin says in Japanese is badly translated even in the ufficial translation. In japanese Armin says error as "Ayamachi", a word that has similar meaning to "Machigai", "mistake". Both words means "error, mistake", but while the second one has a more "Easy going error meaning", the first one is the word that Isayama actually use. It means an error that is life changing, cannot be undone and that' is morally wrong and unjustificable. This sheeds a much clearer meaning to that phrase in 139, something that is sadly lost in translation.
@@ultimateme3049 he does justify it tho, by thanking Eren for doing it, when he should have been against the rumbling even after eren explains everything. Armin can be sympathetic to Erens situation, but he shouldn't praise him for going through with it, even if it was with good intentions
I think this chapter should've been focused on those first 20 pages and chapter 140 should've been about the aftermath. Chapter 139 could've ended with the levi scene
@@liviupetre9561 the dialogue is so out of character between armin and eren historias reveal is messed up and doesnt make any sense this fanfiction is a perfect example of why stories are told by one author and not by random people thinking they can do it better but i must say i really liked their idea of eren talking to his younger self i think thats pretty great as a reflection of what he has become thats the only thing id like to see in the anime
@@nerevarchthn6860 I didn't talk about the fan made ending. And bullshit with awkward dialogue. You all keep pretending the alliance arc is peak writing. Why should I agree with you a fan made has awkward dialogue, but in the manga alliance arc has peak dialogue or even peak writing?! Mikasa being obsessed with Eren like a fucking child. The alliance being fine with Reiner, Annie, Pieck, Gabi and Magoth, DESPISE THEY LITERALLY FOUGHT RIGHT BEFORE THE RUMBLING STARTED! Fuck the official last 4 volumes! Even the ending is absolute BULLSHIT! You all "people" hate a fucking fan made, because it "disrespects the original author's work". Like....what the actual fuck? It's a fucking fan made! Made for those unhappy with the manga ending! You "people" also hate it, because you can't stand a male main character loving female another character that isn't the main female character! Like, tell me why you, things, ship Eren and Mikasa!? Let me guess! Is it because Eren is the main male character and Mikasa is the female main character, which means THEY MUST FUCK 👉👌! Go cry about a fucking fan made, loser
The main problem that I have with this chapter is when Armin asks Eren why he did the rumbling, his response is literally "I don't know." Why didn't he just say that it was to protect his friends and Eldia? It makes him seem like a psychotic maniac when he's not supposed to be.
When Eren says "I don't know" he is lying in order not to look like a monster in Armin's eyes, in fact while he is saying this his father can be seen saying in the background "You are free." Also in chapter 131 Eren says that he didn't do rumbling just for Paradis, but also for another reason, which is that the world outside the walls disappointed him, because it was full of people who wanted to take away his freedom, and that's why he did rumbling, to eliminate those who wanted to take away his freedom.
@@nicolopiva2811 bruh, eren is gonna die and armin isn't even gonna remember the conversation until eren dies, what would be the point of lying during the point when he's literally spilling all his guts to armin???
He kinda is tho, he killed 80% of humanity to protect a small island that will probably disembowel itself under its fascist despotism. That’s not even considering the rest of the world, which is intact since the rumbling moved radially.
he pussied out he should have gone through with his plan, did he think the rest of the world wont find a way too put blame on paradise and genocide the shit out of them in retaliation.
@@osedebame3522 But he had a reason for doing it before this chapter and his reasons made sense, nobody was under the impression that he was slaughtering countless people just because he felt like it.
@@LuisSierra42Nah the Anime really did help clear things up a lot. I think many manga readers never really understood the nuances of the ending until they saw it animated (if course, many people had already made up their minds to hate it no matter what, unfortunately)
@@Sir_TophamHatt I think that if they had done one episode dedicated to Ymir + Fritz, one dedicated to the Mikasa + Eren memory and one with Eren + Armin, nobody would complain. I can completely understand the ending but other people felt betrayed by it
He wanted to do this. It was his actions that told Grisha to rise through Kruger, who coaxed his father into eating the royals, who was saved from wanting to die by Historia, who broke down in front of ramzi for what his actions and everybody else's inaction led to, was retconned into someone with no drive, no reason and someone who apparently wanted to rearrange the guts of the girl he tried to distance himself from for years.
I'm afraid some of your recent videos have incorrect information... have you cleared your misconceptions regarding Eren being "retconned" as a character?
I was one of those fans greatly disappointed by the finale. *THANK YOU* for _not only_ being patient with us, but for ALSO explaining each and every aspect of the ending in meticulous detail. I appreciate the fact that you spoke about both the things that _worked,_ AS WELL AS the things that _didn't_ work. *BUT YOU DIDN'T STOP THERE;* you went one step further than most other RUclips critics and explained exactly _why_ certain things "didn't work" in the finale. For example: your gentle explanation concerning Eren's sudden passionate declaration of love for Mikasa being simply put in the "wrong place" *makes sense.* ... although I wish that Isayama had put in a little more subtext to illustrate that Eren felt SOMETHING other than sibling affection for Mikasa prior to this. (I know most people point to the "what am I to you?" scene as validation to this, but I wish there had been other moments). • I also appreciate the fact that you explained the significance of Mikasa having to be the one who klled Eren. I never noticed the parallels between her and (founder) Ymir until your video. The handling of Mikasa was one of the things I disliked. I wanted her to be there at the end along with Armin and Eren. It was always the 3 of them. It felt ..WRONG to me, not including her. • Finally, I'm STILL a little irritated concerning the whole "Historia's baby" plot. I was expecting the baby to be more significant...it feels like they played up the importance of the pregnancy and baby; that panel space could have been given to more character development in establishing Eren's feelings for Mikasa or his motives, but your explanation makes sense. *THANK YOU* for not treating disgruntled fans as "less than". I know many other fans might look to that vocal percentage of fans who disliked the ending and turn up their noses at our anger. At our core, we are just hurt fans who feel/felt let down by the ending, who didn't understand the points Isayama was trying to get across. I STILL don't agree with some of the decisions made in the finale, and I feel that it was rushed, but your explanation has DEFINITELY softened my dislike of it. After viewing your vid, I wish that Isayama had maybe been given more time, (and more pages) to tell his ending. I believe this would have helped make things NOT feel so cut and paste and from left field.
Honestly tho he was more charitable to people who hated the ending than they deserve. People seem to think everything is either the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever. AOT is a modern masterpiece with a ok ending IMO. I felt the same with death note, one of the greatest manga/anime of all time but the ending and the final arc didnt really measure up to what came before L __________ (not gonna not gonna spoil it even if its super old). i will agree tho people on both sided have be straight up arsefaces about the ending not letting anyone who liked it or hated it give any valid critique or have a discussion.
You are the kind of people aot fandom needs but sadly this fandom is mostly filled with people who dont understand what a middle ground is......they either take one side or the other , for example - some people defend the ending without acknowladging its flaws and some hate the ending without trying to understand what was good in the ending...
I hope more people like you in the fandon give their opinion on the final chapter. It's very refreshing to see someone *finally* give constructive criticism instead of hate.
@@chrisjoy1321 Lots of Manga readers liked it but Isayama actually hated that arc and thought it was not his best work. He consulted with Wit to cut down what he thought wasn’t needed.
@@packr72 huh? i remember lots of manga readers hating it as it came out, it's only after a few years passed and the anime adapted it that people started saying it was good
Rewatching this is crazy. The story is basically a warning to never commit a terrorist attack to avoid creating an Eren. The rumbling was always something that Eren was capable of doing without hesitation.
And he just created Millions of more Eren’s. How many survivors mothers were murdered during the Rumbling and will want vengeance on the ones that still supported his message?
@@brandonlyon730 that’s my issue too, there’s no freakin way the people of paradis will ever see freedom again, people will retaliate and even if you said they got rid of their nuclear option, everyone will still want revenge
@@OwlEye2010 That's life, isn't it? We all know violence begets violence but who stops? Ofcourse there is no Omnicide here but what did we learn after the world wars? Half the world is still a warzone.
@@brandonlyon730 well marley and its cities were flattened, the only known marley populace is the remaining soldiers. The only people wanting to harm paradise are foreigners but out of fear not for revenge. Nobody liked marley
@@Mr.Needle-Hamster “Ymir loved king fritz” “It was Mikasa” “Only Ymir knows” In my personal opinion this is where it’s fate was sealed. Also eren acting in his own mind. 131 was a masterpiece. Then 139 happened.
“The people who push themselves into hell see a different hell from the rest of us. They also see something beyond that hell. Maybe it’s hope. Maybe it’s another hell. I don’t know which it is. The only people who do know...are the ones who keep moving forward” - Eren Yeager
@@RevanX77 Eren was talking about Armin & everyone else that pushed themselves into the hell of the rumbling to stop it because they saw hope beyond that hell . Eren wasn’t just referring to himself when he said that imo. And even then he had to keep convincing himself to keep moving forward into the hell he knew would be imminent. He was a slave to that path but he still had to abandon his humanity to get to the point of freedom.
@@RevanX77 he did push himself tho, whatever you think of 139 Eren, he still commited those atrocities, he still did the rumbling, he did, push her friends away and he told Mikasa to forget about him (those were his last words by the way) he might have been a slave to his fate, but he continued moving forward. The mere fact that he only had two breakdowns during this whole ordeal is impressive
@@kritikasrivastava530 Moving forward into what? If he was referring to the others, they neither saw nor found hope after the Rumbling, the world is still geared for war and has only been given a reprieve. And Eren, again he never was pushing himself, he was being pushed by forces he had no control over.
I feel that this chapter will do greatly better when it gets animated Considering manga is restricted to pages, and still pacing, this chapter, all animated, can resolve some of the chapter nuances that are needed to be resolved So I think, of course
Isayama also has a bit of control in the production in the anime often removing, adding, or changing scenes. After he's rested a bit he'll be able to make the anime much better.
I would like to say I liked the ending but not the execution. I think another 2-3 chapters fleshing out more details and showing more character interactions could have made this perfect.
I'm a sucker for "relatively happy" endings, so I'm mostly happy/satisfied with this ending. The few issues I have are really not deal-breakers. And as other people have said, the series as a whole is a 10/10.
@@rudrod95_41 No series is perfect. Code geass was very inconsistent right up until the ending. Death Note's quality decreased kinda after L died. Monster was really slow at moments. Evangelion was pretty okayish and often repetitive and boring right until the 20th episode. Fate/Zero doesnt explain the legends properly and thus cannot be enjoyed fully by those who arent familiar with the mythologies and history. Finally, The AOT ending is rushed and controversial. See the similarities here? All of the series I mentioned are (IMO) masterpieces of fiction. This isnt limited to anime tho. Lets consider literature now. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens can often be slow and cumbersome. The Godfather by Mario Puzo has a lot of filler in it. Crime And Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky isnt all that interesting unless you're super hardcore into psychology and shit. See my point? No work of fiction is perfect. Arent all these masterpieces too?
@@nayeemhaider8367 I totally agree with your comment. A work of art does'nt need to be perfect to be consider a masterpiece. There are plenty of examples in literature, cinema and painting, that nowadays have the status of being masterpieces, not for being perfect, but for the impact and influence they have achieved with the years. I think AOT will achieve that status in the future
It can’t be exclusively me who foresaw the fact that the attack Titan’s powers in of themselves could only result in one scenario whether the bringer of it wanted it or not
It can't. Eren's reasoning in 139 makes little to no sense and is inconsistent with what's been established of his character. It'll just ruin Eren even more.
This is pretty much my take as well. The ending really was what it needed to be. It's the execution that was lackluster. The anime adaptation will likely fix it though, so I'm looking forward to it. The ending of the manga felt rushed and half-formed, so I'd rather watch the "final" version in the anime before I pass judgement.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 EXACTLY BRO. that’s the biggest gripe, it felt rushed, this ending could have been better if it got one more chapter and more questions answered, hopefully the anime fixes
@@SasuraRdm For me the biggest issue of the final chapter is with the dialogue. It felt like it didn't flow naturally. It didn't feel like a proper send-off to Eren’s character or even what a real conversation between him and Armin would feel like. For one, it was mostly just Eren expositioning the heck out of everything that happened up until that point. Then Isayama clearly had certain emotional beats and dialogue exchanges he deemed necessary to include but had very limited time in a single chapter, so as a result you get Armin reacting to information after information, panel after panel without much pause or introspection. It ends up feeling more like a checklist of scenes than a piece of dialogue. Some of its worst tonal whiplash is a product of this issue as well, with Armin reacting with horror and anger to some of the revelations, then a page or two down the line you have him teasing Eren about Mikasa finding another dude and Eren throwing a childish tantrum over it. There are also some pieces of dialogue that are very clumsily written because there wasn't enough time. There's that (by now) infamous quote by Armin that comes across as "thank you for committing war crimes, Eren!". But if you consider the context a bit more and aren't a bad faith actor, it's clear that he’s really just thanking Eren for his intention to protect them after Armin gains some clarity on the heartbreak and lengths Eren went to in order to achieve that goal, not supporting or condoning what he's done (I mean, if the fact that Armin and the rest turned against him and were willing to die in order to stop him doesn't tell you everything you need to know about what they think of Eren's actions, I don't know what does). Other than that, I feel like some plot developments hinging on certain concepts and elements would feel a lot more earned if said concepts and elements were expanded upon more; case on point- the Paths, which ended up playing a HUGE part in the story unfolding the way that it did. Same with the centipede thingy, same with Ymir. I'd say the second half becomes increasingly more rushed, but it's really just the final chapter that is affected to that degree by having to cover so much information and ground. All that being said though, I stand by my original comment that I overall liked the ending and thought it was what the series needed in order to gain proper closure. The skeleton is there, it's the meat that's the problem. Also I'm happy you enjoyed it, I'm not trying to take that away from you by voicing my grievances. I can both like it and be critical of it.
*Isayama Speedrunning all the missing plot points in the last chapter* WITS/MAPPA: We’ll take care of this my dude, Just take some rest in your creation
I know it sounds silly but the japanese version is worded way better and it hit emotionally very well. The only parts that hit well in the translated english version are the ones that didn't have much text. Like Levis scene and the last scene with Mikasa. They really didn't nail the nuances in the translation in my opinion. Of course having a better translation wouldn't change the ending completely but I think it plays a bigger role than many may think... Because the ending is really well received in the japanese community.
@@zhisu2665 can you please tell me where I can read the Japanese version of the manga? I'm not Japanese but I've learnt the language. I'd love to know what the original script says
I'm just at the 4 minute mark, but I got the feeling that, rather than Eren seeing each possibility, he just got nonlinear deterministic time: the future is as unchangeable as the past, if you experience them all at the same time. Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan's curse, all given to an unstable 15 year old boy. EDIT: And you brought him up! In any case, the most apt parallel for Eren's character is that, once he touched Historia's hand, he was pretty much in what may be Interstellar's black hole. He could only do what had always been that way. (Determinism being accurate to our universe scares me, and I REALLY hope time has another axis where it branches; many-worlds theory soothes a bit of that existential dread)
Then Attack on Titan Jr. High should give you peace. I would argue that it is a cannon splinter timeline of the pathways. Plus it's so dang wholesome!!!
I mean the many-worlds theory is nice but the problem is we are still deterministically driven in the world which we find out current consciousness inhabiting, so it's still deterministic for us even if there are other universes where we made different choices.
@@MrCman321 Yeah, but we neither know what branch we are at, nor what the following split will lead to (other than it will be other splits). You can also argue that we can only experience the world with 3 spatial dimensions and a temporal one, so, you may argue the branching worlds are still the same universe, just across a dimensional axis we cannot experience. And you may even argue that the branching selves may as well be understood as different parts of the same thing. But, that is waxing phylosophical going on with theoretical physics to give a spice of extra wonder to the world; sheer determinism is a bummer: Either all futures exist, or not a single one does; just a singular future is depressing to me.
Ok so hear me out... I acknowledge It still could have been better executed or phrased, but lot of people have a problem with Eren's "I don't want Mikasa to be with another man' outburst', which honestly didn't strike me as that strange, it was the one time since being in his omnipetent state (that I can remember) where he seemed to show genuine emotion, the last time in his life where hell be able to express how he truely feels about her before he dies, these are his raw unfiltered feelings, and aside that I feel anime romance, or honestly a lot of mainstream romance in general frequently paints a lot selfish impulses like possession and jealousy as romantic so this depiction doesnt particularly surprise me, but in a way its oddly fitting. Because well, Mikasa's love for Eren has frequently been descibed as, unhealthy, obsessive, and certainly had her moments of possessiveness and jealousy, literally the entire last arc is her reisting having to kill Eren even though he has murdered SO MANY PEOPLE. So Eren's outburst in a way is him expressing 'My feelings for Mikasa are just as selfish and irrational as her love for me!" And in that way, I weirdly find it kind of fitting. But then again, you know, he did just kill most of humanity so its still ok to give him shit about it
To me It feel Out of nowhere Like back When he said "Mikasa i have always hated you" it was heartbreaking but it feel like it did make sense Like we always saw eren pushing mikasa away rejecting her i mean sure he was obiviosely lying but it felt canon to me what i hated about it. is when He was like "I HAVE ALWAYS LOVE HER I WANNA BE WITH HER I DON"T HER TO BE WITH ANYONE ELSE" when i readed that i cringed i mean i guess it was suppost to be Pathatic and Cringy to show that eren Is a human who has emotions And whatever but I thought his devoloment through the series was about him becoming a ruthless emotionless monster seeing his mom getting eaten alive getting betrayed by people who were like A brothers to him ect. idk man it was weird seeing him like this
I would argue that a major aspect of love is selfishness. A degree of possessiveness is an inherent part of the experience for most people. Ffs, most wedding vows have a line along the lines of "You are mine and I am yours". Of course there's a limit to how much of that can be considered healthy and I don't think what Eren says in the last chapter really counts as that considering he does still want Mikasa to move on and enjoy life after he's gone. Something that would've happened regardless of if he even went through with the Rumbling since he only had a couple years left on the clock anyway.
The Last of Us Part II example is off key in my opinion. The way you worded it sounded like the games bad reception was highly based off the leaks when many people (myself included) did not look at the leaks prior and still did not enjoy the game.
It makes it sound like Mark doesn't actually believe in objective criticism of media. I love Mark and Eyepatch Wolf. But it drives me crazy that they think it can't be done for things people love.
also how it only won awards because the game awards is rigged, if you go to their site and look at the votes it says public vote is only worth 10% and the remaining 90% is for media journalists the same people who praised the shit game as if it was the best game ever
Just as Gigguk said the ending of Attack on Titan is what would determine if it was a modern masterpiece , but it does not need the greatest ending in all of existence because all of the story until now was absolutely amazing , it just needs to land on two feet , which in my eyes it did .
When reading this I found my self pausing on certain panels and digesting them. I think the problem is that people read things at a different pace. At no point did I think anything was rushed or silly but maybe that’s because when those impactful moments happened I just stared at the panel and lingered upon them.
Do you think the adaptation of the anime will help fix the out of control pace of this chapter? I think it might at least he a bit more digestible so thats good.
@@jossecoupe446 The anime could potentially make the ending a lot better. But I don't know if the season4 directors would do that. The director of WiT AoT would have done it, because his narrative style allows breathing time and can make a mundane event dramatic. I am Not sure of the Mappa AoT director tho.
Things were definitely rushed, but yeah people often speed read and also reading half assed context leaks prior to every chapter also leads to different expectations and opinions
@@nithinnk1980 Apparently a certain physical release of the final chapter soon to come out will contain extra/new pages or something, I really hope those might also help mitigate the rushed nature of the chapter (though it might as well be some concept art that was never used, still I keep my hopes up)
“It’s easier to make fun of something than to try and understand it” - perfectly stated! The first few days After the chapter dropped I was desperate for a nuanced conversation about its contents (good and bad) but it felt like all I could find were birds memes being upvoted to the heavens... Appreciate the video, Mark and team!
thats the Problem with Memes in our current Web-Age. Nobody is able to discuss and talk anymore. All is communicated by Memes and everyone just wants to be the funniest person in the Room. Nobody can express how good/ bad/ etc. something is. This annoys me
@@svensei5643 also i think the worst thing is ,nowadays many people form their opinion based on memes which is dumb, like for example - the eren bird thing is mostly the result of memes ,well i know that some people genuinly were confused about it but most think that eren is a bird now because of memes
I came to watch this after watching the ending of the anime. First thing, I cried during the end. Also Mark I'd like to report that the suplex Gabi gave Falco was instead depicted as a warm childish hug that had too much speed, which is cuter. This video helped me understand the thing about Ymir watching Mikasa be able to let go and how the Curse of the Titans being around was her being obedient, thank you for making that make sense.
The anime did the ending amazingly in the my opinion, as I have never read the manga. There’s just no reviews of the anime episode right now, so I need an analysis of the ending. The flaws you mentioned in the first 20 pages of this chapter do not seem to fit the description of the anime, cause I nearly started crying during that scene. I was not thinking about logistics one bit, the emotion was done so well thanks to the music.
Overall the ending was bittersweet and I wouldn't have it any other way. I can't believe I watched it when I was 11 and now I'm 19 in uni, it was absolutely amazing to be a part of this era. Thanks for the memories Attack on Titan and until the last half of the anime comes out, this is farewell for now.
I started watching Aot when I was 7, and now I’m 14. It’s been a crazy ride with Aot and I think although the ending should be more fleshed out, it’s still a 10/10 for me 😅
Honestly, the whole final arc, The Rumbling Arc, was a bit of a mix bag of quality. While a majority of it had decent character moments and events that were profound, it was just marred with issues, plot, character and story wise. However, did it completely ruin the whole series for me? No. I, and everyone else, still love AOT for the story it told, even if it did fumbled its final landing.
The Rumbling arc still had excellent plot, but suffered in execution imo. The anime will more than likely improve upon it vastly as Isayama himself expressed his dissatisfaction with how he handled some points and dialogue.
I see this ending as the reverse game of thrones, but not immediately. On a first read, I thought it was okay, just fine - but the more I think about it, the better it gets. It’s still just fine, but it’s deep enough and still feels earned, unlike game of thrones.
*What I liked about the ending:* - Eren's conversation with Armin and showing him the world. - Eren finally wiping out the Titans. - While the war may continue, Eren gave Paradis a huge chance in winning. - Eren showing his true emotions and feelings for Mikasa. - Levi saluting his comrades. - Jean and Connie seeing Sasha one last time. - I'm fine with the farmer being the father. Even though I was wishing it was Eren. *What I hated about the ending:* - Eren saying that he killed his mom. - Ymir's "love" for king Fritz. - Eren dropping plot bombs without any explanation.
@@sheikhheisen she could have way more interactions with eren because she argueble knew him the best and they had real evidence for the liking each over
I think Eren killing his mother was a bad change. This is because I had thought we already established the abnormality of Dina's Titan earlier which is why it went for Eren and his family . that she was always going to follow Grisha even after being sent to Pardis. The root of Eren's hatred is really for himself now? Thats what I get from this change. idk that is one of the largest things that bothers me with this ending
Not really, he hated the titans before his mother's death because they took away his freedom and the freedom of humanity. His mother's death just cemented that resolve.
@@Siriwarbreakerskz Even if that's the case, wouldn't he still be responsible for the titans being man-eating monsters that effectively imprison the Eldians inside Paradise in the first place?
@@quintus920 To explain a tiny theory I have (having just finished the manga hours ago) I think an explanation for is that Eren only sent Dina after his mom when he became the true Founder. Since as explained in the video, Eren has complete omniscience and sees and can interact in all points of time. Then now having that ability on top of the Founders power to control titans at will, all he had to do was to control Dina at that one point to kickstart the journey we've already experienced. That could also extend to when he controlled the titans the first time, as it is a point of importance for his path. I personally feel like a lot of this is inferred and this is strictly my take on the idea.
He did not kill his mother. He simply made Dina went for another target instead of Bertold, because it wasn't his time to die yet. He might did it knowing his mother was going to be the casualty that kickstarted the whole story, but did he have any other choice? It's not like the past can be changed, everything was set in stone and there isn't any other timeline as far as I know. He influenced the past, but in a sense, the past that already happened is the reason he's there. Convoluted, I know, but it's not like anything remotely related to time travel isn't.
I agree, the fact that the Eldians were genocided and seen as justified in-universe was extremely messed up. It's Eren's fault though, he didn't finish the job. #KingFloch
With the last of us I have genuinely heard No praise whatsoever of the game I've seen people play the game loving the 1st and hating the 2nd I don't think in this situation you can use that game towards a more nuanced show like attack on titan which has depth
@@Tobacco_Bowls exactly I saw multiple streamers actively not want to play the game anymore Even one of my favourite RUclipsrs the shuckmeister who loved the last of us 1 hated 2
I went into TLOU2 blind and I, and everyone I know irl loved it. It wasn't until I went online that I found out some people actually don't like it. I'm still surprised.
While yes it was rushed, I loved this chapter. Eren said he would wipe out the titans and he did just that. The Levi scene was great and Armin and Eren's talk was both heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time. I just wish we got to see the aftermath a little more than we did
Breathtaking? You want me to destroy that conversation in one fell swoop? Armin beats Eren not because he killed 80% of the world population, not because he literally looks him in the eye and says he doesn't know why he did it, but because Eren was mean to Mikasa. Some bloke Armin is, ay?
@@AccendinoMCM oh no, look we have the world righteous person who knows the good in everything. Man, you sure are fun to live with, for a party pooper kid that is.
I felt like the ending was a bit rushed but had decent amount of symbolism and foreshadowing. People overreact saying this ending totally ruined the series. Oh dear😂. Regardless, I thank Isayama for creating such an amazing story.. I have been reading the manga for about 8 years now. Regardless the outcome, I will and will forever love AOT.
@Pride The only real problem with the ending would be the loose ends, which can be linked to the rushed feeling of the chapter, however when you make up the pieces and read into what isn't told with it's symbolism and small details you'll find that it, storywise, wraps things up reaaaaally well, but yes the main issue is the pacing, otherwise it would've been perfect. But it still is one the best stories put to paper
@Pride I agree with your point but question. "it's just good" are you pertaining to the series or the ending? I personally saw the ending just good but the series amazing.
@@ultimateme3049 it's extremely cringe and illogical really. No matter how bad the ending is, AOT will always and will forever retain a score higher than 7. A 1/10 score to an amazing series just because of a "just good" ending does not seem logical in any way shape or form. Let's take for example how I rated the 2nd season of the promised neverland. It was utter garbage I gotta be honest (just my opinion) but I still rated it a 3/10 because no matter how shit it is, it sill had very few positive qualities about it.
@@commandereggwin2160 yea it’s like these mfs forgot they devotedly followed SnK in the first place for some reason...a 1/10 story shouldn’t be able to do that, it would’ve been dropped from the start
yes, the dialogue between eren and armin seems rushed and stacked, and yet from the characters point of view, it is natural. two lifelong friends who know each other so well, well enough that this would exactly be how the conversation would play out in real life. they needed not to explain every detail in their conversation, because they know and understand what each other was thinking. that's why it felt so genuine to me. this is two friends conversing, not two characters explaining the storys ending to readers. its beautiful.
My take we know the paths world time works different they were talking as kids all the way to adulthood so we can assume they talked that long for years or The founder eren showed kid armin everything and continued the story as he grew over the series course but would wipe his memories until after his death now armin sees theyve said everything theyd wanted to say already he just couldn't remember it.
@@p4nther521 Oh, look. The toxic hater that chooses to forget about literally EVERYTHING positive about the series because he didn’t like that Eren wasn’t able to complete the Rumbling.
I think that's misinterpretation. He wasn't literally a slave to fate. He did his own decisions which the cruel world forced him to do to save his own people.
@@JATARO9 I don’t know why people are afraid to call this chapter garbage when it was. Normally I’m doing a 180 after a mark vid but not this time 😀 there were so many unanswered questions and so much more dialogue that should’ve been added 😭 hell I could’ve written a better spaced out ending than this.
both reasons because of the pacing. Phenomenal concept, ideas, foreshadowing and themes, but executed really badly. I really hope it's extended more in the anime, I too found it too short and abrupt.
Whole show is about don't half ass things. Don't kill 80% kill all besides your people. Easy, peasy lemon squezy. Half assed things only bring suffering. Like the eldians that got fucked b after 70or so years after erens death. And now another dude is gonna get all the titan powers. Lmao the whole show just flopped
It didn't work. Even if you put all the racists like Floch and the Jaegerists on an island by themselves with no Marleyans or titans they would still find other ways to divide each other and fight. In the end Paradis still fell to war.
@@TequilaToothpick Dont you know of extra pages ? Eldians gets bbombed hiroshima style when mikasa is like 80 years old. And we see a little kid go into the same tree that ymir went in
Tbh I loved the scene with Eren talking about Mikasa... It feels earned, he knows he's gonna die soon, and he just lets it loose... I loved it and felt so sad about his situation 😭
And it's a good reminder that, under all that calculated evil, Eren never really changed. He's been a lame weirdo from the beginning, he just had to act the way he did in order to play out the future how it had to go.
@@vsGoliath96 I wouldn't say he's anything close to a lame weirdo... Is it so weird to love someone? Is it so weird to do everything so that the people you love can live better lives? I think a lot of people forget that at the end of the day, he's human.
@@blocky_legend3132 Armin literally calls him lame for his reaction and I say weirdo because he's a psychopath who tried to destroy literally all life on Earth. Would lame genocidal maniac work better for you?
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People who liked the ending: That Levi scene was really good
People who disliked the ending: That Levi scene was really good
I never thought I would see Levi cry again since the ‘no regrets’ OVA...
Even tho i didn't like the ending that scene was done really well
It’s such a good way to wrap it up for him, and it’s nice to see some old faces too
It is until you realize he fought alongside the people who killed basically everyone who showed up and got no repercussions for it.
its an excellent scene but it should had been a deaths scene, he got the Might Guy treatment
It's ironic that the world in AOT almost ended up becoming the world it was supposed to be at the beginning of the manga: a world in which all people outside the walls were exterminated by the titans.
And Eren accomplished the goal he had in the beginning of eradicating all Titans.
@@CmdrChrisArcher Eren used the titans to destroy the titans. Now they're all finally gone, reduced to atoms.
The lesson of hateful propaganda imo lol, you end up creating the world that you were afraid of
More than it is ironic, I think it's thematically appropriate and somewhat foreshadowed.
What Eren and Armin always wanted was a world they could be free to explore and build upon with their own wills and dreams. By the end it's as if they've crafted that world themselves, but at a huge cost. They had to enact their own lived nightmare in order to reach their true goals, though Eren clearly is the one with greater agency.
Well, 80% are gone
Imagine if Eren had just bumped into Historia at literally any point during the academy days
I always wondered that too lol
eren: *bumps into historia once*
"great news guys! all the titans killed each other!"
Eren *bumped to Historia*
"I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!"
Proceed to breakdown and 😢
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wait... how the hell did eren never make contact with historia in any way before?
My man Erwin couldn't even get his missing arm back in the afterlife, he was the only one saluting with the left 😂
It was kind-of also metaphorical. His freedom had caused him to lose his right hand. Note that: RIGHT. From when he started realising the flaws of the OG government, he started saluting with his left hand. His deviant hand. Even in death, he still knows that the world is very flawed, and the only truth is to deviate.
@@PhantomGato-v- Oyegasas
This is just a memory preserved in paths
That should mean eren is just a head in the afterlife lol.
Levi shedding a tear while devoting his heart was heart to the Survey Corps one last time, was heart wrenching.
Hello again for the 347th time
Eren: "No, I don't want that! Mikasa finding another man…?! I want her to think about me and no one else for the rest of her life!"
*Levi sees the ghosts of his dead comrades*
Levi: "Guess this is the result of all your devoted hearts..."
*Sheds a single tear*
Yeah, that was by far the scene with the best unintentional comedy
@@Gureito comical?
Can't feel anything for it when he says billions of death were the result of their dedicated hearts. It was a very forcedand messy way to make this ending less bitter
Heart indeed
Attack on titan was created, hated, forgotten, loved, and concluded all within my lifetime. What a time to be alive.
so are 10000000000000 other stories lol nothing special
@Porco Galliard It does suck to see an entire series that you loved get retrospectively ruined by 4 chapters. It does suck that there is nothing to cherish about the character slaughter Isayama calls an ending.
@@luohankuo610 Exactly...... he puts it like its a Mind Blowing Thing
@Porco Galliard Sorry man, you're still a useless character
AOT was a 7/10 not because of the ending because it always was one.
chill man, there are a ton of stories better than AOT, you'll probably read many more in your lifetime, this was honestly good but only above mediocre for me but I've read many novels with a better plot and conclusion, its nothing THAT special.
Maybe the real Attack on Titan were the friends we made along the way.
😂😂(i liked this when it was at six now its at 13 so quickly)
That is kinda how it is 🥴
bullshit xd
DUDE LUL
This stupid joke never fails to make me laugh lmao
Isayama has said that the Anime is the definitive version and has used the medium to correct things he didn't like about the way the story was presented in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he took the chance to let the ending breathe more in its anime form as well. That would clear up many of the issues, especially the ones you talked about here.
What sucks is how they messed up episode 1 on Eren's dream, so it's a bit hard to digest. I do wish the best for the anime, though.
Dont know how i feel about that cause it seems to have excluded the "see you later" scene and even mikasas characterization to an extent. I guess any newcomers should consume both the anime and manga for the full experience
@@fattinuggies3571 didn't it exclude a bit of Reiner's backstory too?
@@darkdragon88 Meh, they can add it in part 2.
I'm so excited for the adaptation
Let's hope, it's really necessary.
I was about to comment “I wasn’t expecting this until Thursday” and then I realized
It’s weird how much I relate to this...
I have exams coming up, and I’ve been so caught up in preparing that I almost didn’t see this notification for this video.
Bro how, dafuq
Big mood
Fucking same
It is thursday my dude
I like to think that one of the reasons why Eren freaked out at the end of the Liberio raid when Sasha died was because he realized that she HAD to, that there was no possibility to actually save her. She was doomed to die regardless of what he did.
Same thought
Funnily enough, this would actually make sense irl as well, since Isayama had planned to kill Sasha much earlier but his editor thought she should live. She got to escape death then, but she was always meant to die
Doesn't he literally say that? He laughed because he realized that his visions of the past and future weren't him freaking out, they were the truth.
Stupid theory, Eren shouldve know years prior if we are going with this "oh eren was omnipotent" bullshit. This ending was garbage in both direction and execution.
@@boyman7823 But he only gained omnipotent when he kissed Historia's hand, he wouldn't have known
Isayama probably will instruct Mappa to extend the scenes to make it more sense in the end. That or make the dialogue make more sense for those who thought wtf was going on in the final chapter
Knowing the homage, he will ask them to make the Eren crying about Mikasa finding another guy scene even more funny. Cause that, that was 100% the plan since the final arc. Isayama loves his Gundam/Mecha
@@dekaidoku true, they probably will! The same applies to Armin's reaction: "thank you for becoming a mass murderer for us" will probably be extended to a certain degree for the sentence to be in character for Armin. Im happy with the ending but it sounded so out of character lol
have they done something like this before? extending dialogue in the anime?
@@corsijtsma3546 apparently it was a bad translation.
@@illuminati5417 Berserk titan vs Annie in season 1 was all extended dialogue + fighting
in Lost girl, Isayama explained the concept. " if you want eren to be free , you have to kill him" . it was published decade ago.
Was that Isayama though? I didn't think he wrote that.
@@TequilaToothpick he did I think, I don't think he'd allow someone else to put such a major plot point without his permission unless he did give
@Ishaan Guha he didn't write it but he did approve it
Yep he was a slave of himself, so only death could free him.
So what? WHat's his point? PEople are slaves of life? And only death is hope ?
For me personally, AoT had a 7/10 ending but was a 10/10 series. Definitely had some issues with the final chapter of Attack of Titan (such as Ymir's Stockholm Syndrome and the reversal of Connie/Jean/Gabi's fate) but overall, I'm VERY satisfied and feel like I got what I wanted for the most part. The end of an era. PS: You're totally right on in your analysis of AoT's perception of time (it's very similar to the movie Arrival)
Ymir’s Stockholm syndrome makes sense though considering she was born a slave girl and the only time she was shown praise was when she acted subservient like a slave. She mistook that for love because that’s all she knew it to be.
Jean, Connie and Levi surviving everything is the sweet part of the ending. Everything else leaves a bitter aftertaste, but that's exactly what I signed up for
Does that mean eren can witness his dad's pov of having sex with his mom at all times all the time? If so then he got off easy!
@@cravinlucy3 pain. so much pain.
I don't understand why the reversal of Connie/Jean/Gabi is an issue. Personally, that was one of the best parts of the chapter for me. They never died, all they did was became mindless titans. If an eldian can turn into a titan, it's only natural for them to return to being a human once the power of titans is removed.
I REALLY hope MAPPA is given the chance to stretch this chapter out to make it more digestible and give it room to breath. You put it into perfect words what this chapter suffers from and I really believe that if given the chance, MAPPA can really bring out the potential of this chapter and see that it’s cooked and ready.
💯 that’s all anyone can ask I just felt it was very rushed
it is deus ex machina problem, if u want to introduce a "time travel" and almighty power, you have to prepare how the power works and must consistent enough to make reader believe it. you know the story is bad when u r comparing the series with avenger story for an excuse.
@@ixiryr2315 how is it deus ex Machina, the time travel has been an important plot point for dozens of chapters
@@ixiryr2315 I don't see it being a Deus Ex Machina. Time has been a part of AoT since the chapter where Eren kissed Historias hand. & even before when Grisha talked to Kruger. The problem was that it wasn't explained. Eren just dropped this info on us and refused to elaborate, presumably because Isayama had no time to do so
Do you guys even know what is deus x machina?@@shokyle that's the point, we don't know anything about the power, for example why only eren can use this? why kruger / grisha / even the ancestor didn't use it against ymir to warn her because clearly ymir was the antagonist at this point. And about ymir, if ymir can do anything to eldian including removing titan curse, why king fritz who want peace didn't do that? Ymir is still a servant at this point before eren break her free after meeting her at path, so she will listen to the fritz right ? but nooooo... It has to be mikasa, CONVENIENTLY MIKASA who is generic toxic/protective/want to be dominated girlfriend to kill her lover. It is hard to believe after thousand year there is noone similar to mikasa when war waged hundred and thousand war.
I think the most ironic thing about Eren is that although he fought and strives for Freedom, he himself was never free. Forever bound to a single path that would lead his people to salvation, but never him.
sounds like liquid/solidus/naked snake.
He truly never was free, even if you took the whole time memories thingy, he was fated to die in 4 years and he never had a break ever since the colossal appeared in the first chapter. Damn
That's why AOT ended on the chapter it did. 140 means freedom. He never achieved it
@Who Am i well he is a slave to himself in a way, he was just following memories, but those were still HIS memories, of things he would eventually do, the chapter reinforces this when Eren states that even if he never knew about his friends stopping him, he would have continued the rumbling anyway, seeking freedom, but this still hurts him because he's well aware that what he's doing is wrong, and that the people he would kill, are innocent. The fact that he even influenced the past, forcing Grisha to give him the Attack titanz and allowing Dina to eat his own mother, setting things into motion hammers all of this down even more.
In way , being dead was his only way to be free.
The pacing in the anime between armin and erin fixed so much of this. I watched it without any spoilers. It hit really hard. They added extra dialogue letting the conversation breathe a little.
Yup! I feel the same way.
The main reason I think the chapter was rushed was just because Isayama was exhausted beyond measure. As he said, he was too tired to feel sad or miserable while finishing the chapter, which fair enough, he has been doing this nonstop for 10 to 11 years.
Damn. So he was suffering from fatigue just like Togashi with Yu Yu Hakusho. It ended perfectly but it stumbled a little...
Also I think he said something about it being symbolic ending on chapter 139. 13 years representing the curse of Ymir, and the 9 representing the 9 Titans. While symbolism is cool and all, I’d rather see a chapter 140 or at least a longer 139 and see all of the points further elaborated like Mark said
@@aidanbunce1934 Yeah, that too. Let's hope we get things expanded in the anime.
Also, we will get few extra pages in the next volume, so let's see.
@@ayesha9635 those are only drafts for 138 and 139 unfortunately
It’s kind of funny how Eren managed to get what he wanted, he eradicated all titans.
and doomed his people
@@joycongod4831 not necessarily and that wasn’t his goal
@@mattkju4037 I mean he kinda did😬 they no longer have Titans to defend themselves. They were already a century behind in warfare. And the world still hates them. They aren’t free. Even historia recognized this by saying “until one is eradicated we shall never be free...” like 💀 all he did was die and murder 80% of the globe 😭 and make them hate them even MORE. Like can you imagine “an Eldian destroyed the world!” And their still around 🌝 I felt like he was tryna pull a Lelouch from code Geass but it was a La flop 😬 He didn’t have unity through his death. All he had was a defenseless race now hated even more throughout the world 💀 but Isayama is supposed to add more pages to the final volumes. Maybe he can salvage it; but I doubt it 🥴
@@StxtchKiss 💀
@@StxtchKiss eldia was unscrathed for the most part, eren killed 80% of the globe but now Eldia is the new superpower bro. The Eldians are free from the curse of the titans and now they have time to come up with diplomatic solutions which is why eren left it into the hands of Armin
Final lovers 🤝 Final haters
Levi scene
Just another day for the Survey Corps.
Dedicate your hearts
Ikr? The power of Levi + The survey corps
Final lovers a thing?
@@sarov7658 Most are coping but I'd say final non-haters is more appropriate
I saw someone point out in the final scene of the boy walking up to Eren's great tree, the boy exploring the hollow has a dog with him, and presumably goes into it willingly. While Ymir was chased by dogs and on the verge of death. The idea being that even if things repeat, maybe the ultimate fate of the cycle of violence is these minor differences that might mean the curses of the world we leave behind are just a bit better than what we had to fight in our time.
Exactly. It's possible even if the boy does make contact with the worm, it won't create titans. When Ymir fell into the tree, she was focused on only one thing, survival at all costs. So the worm gave her the power to do so, to become bigger, stronger, and have an undying body. The boy on the other hand is seemingly an explorer, driven by curiosity. So the worm could create something entirely different in response to him.
This is HUGE cope. The ending makes the entire story pointless. Just accept it.
@angstyteen6042 the ending is melancholic, I'd still like it even if I didn't think the overall message was about the faint glimmer of hope that we can make things better. Just thought the mirroring of the story was cool and that the differences between Ymir and the boy were interesting.
@@professional9123 so basically you liked it just because of a few parallels.
@angstyteen6042 I am a sucker for ending stories where they started, gives a nice bookend feeling to things. But I also find the overall narrative of the cycle of violence compelling, as well as the idea of Eren being a slave to his nature and childhood trauma. As far as story structure goes, I consider the rumbling as the real climax to the story and everything that follows as a falling action that ties things together. I do think there are legitimate criticisms (especially of the manga ending) but I still can't help but be deeply moved by the story and its ending.
Me waiting for HxH review: That's fine, as a HxH fan, I'm used to long waits.
Apparently he's gonna review the 1999 anime... Ngl I'm very disappointed about that
@@yiangaruga4928 Who said that? Where? I thought he'd read the manga
@@yiangaruga4928 That is sad. I mean, first eps are really good since they cover what the new series doesn't, but if he sticks purely to it, the transition to the new designs is gonna painful for him.
@@sunwukong5518 Some guy said that his editor is gonna make him watch the 1999 version... And I didn't really wanna believe that but if you look at the very end of this video he's showing footage of the 1999 anime ._.
If I'm honest I think that's a really bad decision.. Most people are only familiar with the 2011 anime, it's really well made and 1999 has alot of issues with pacing, theme and it ends in a really unsatisfying way. It also doesn't have the Chimera ant arc. Sigh...
@@yiangaruga4928 I still believe he will do the manga. With One Piece he didn't always only show the original anime. Sometimes there were scenes of the specials and movies.
Editor-san, probably: Let's put a nice little image of Levi's final salute while Mark says I love you and goodbye to the series. That should get people's tears rolling.
Feels like the ending, while a bit flat and not all that well told, doesn't undo the rest of the series, and still retains its own merits to some degree. AoT still seems very much like a series worth reading or watching from start to finish.
Yeah the series is a 9.5/10 to me, with a 4.8/10 or maybe 5/10 ending. It’s kinda fitting but too mediocre and just went full on info dump
@@a_mc1569 The 139 chapter count is beautifully symbolic, but I feel like this decision hurt the pacing of the final arc a lot. You could easily stretch the contents of this chapter over 2 or 3 chapters and it probably still wouldn't be perfect, but way better than what we got.
to an extent for sure, but erens character feels totally fake after ch90 and that he was following fate, and the ymir subplot is meh cause now she has stockholm syndrome. everything up until 123 is a damn masterpeice but after it gets really iffy. every manga has its worse arcs though sucks that the worst arc was probably the last.
You mean reading or watching from start to chapter 123.
@@Fabiocean2000 Destroying your MC'S whole personality and ideology and logic of the series just to make the ending "symbolic" and "ironic" is horrible writing. This ending turned this series into a joke and feel disrespectful to people who followed this series for a long time expecting a good pay-off not this garbage.
I've had this video in my watch later playlist since the day it released since I was an anime only viewer. Today, I'm coming back to it, purely because I absolutely LOVE your method of analysing and reviewing content
same I always watch his reviews of things I just finished watching as it acts as a good way to sort out how I fell about a show and get what I truly want to take from it at the end.
Levi's last Salut moved me to tears. Years of suffering, fighting, loosing loved ones finally being released.
I cried for all those dead soldiers, finally being given the closure they deserved. Too bad the shifters didn't get the same treatment.
I really hope the anime adaptation will extend this ending, to explain more of the plot points much more in detail and less rushed. Overall AOT is a solid piece of art. Isayama can now go build his spa in peace.
Plot twist this is a dream and aot junior high is the real story
Imagine lmao
Will Eren ever get his revenge for his Chee-burg steak.
Oh believe it or not, that might be happening. The Taikoubon/Volume Version of the Series will have few extra chapters and they been hinting that Eren has memories of the version of him as a High Schooler from the End of the Volume Attack on Titan High School Parody. Hinting that its somehow going to connect. Probably Eren's going to reincarnate into that version of himself at the ending. Likely as an homage to the Series Muv Luv, which is about a dude from a RomCom World going to a Hardcore Serious as Fuck Mecha World.
They should really continue this series after they finish S4...
AOT is just jr high erens dream as seen in the opening lmfao
Im really glad they beefed up the dialogue and pacing in the anime. I felt it nailed almost everything Iseyama was going for
Definitely!
Yup the animation, voicing, music and everything just felt more in the anime finale.
My feelings on the finale are a little split, I feel the last chapter was under whelming, rushed, and I just got pulled out of it. But on the other hand I don’t think that it ruins the story, and at the end of the day the final chapter feels like it wrapped it up in a believable way.
that's because it doesn't ruin the story, the ending was foreshadowed ever since the interaction between armin, eren and mikasa. Everything built up to this and it's suprising to me that most people don't see it that way
Good news about the final chapter. Its confirmed the volume releases final chapter will have more pages in it. It's very likely that the chapter we got was only a small portion due to the magazines page limit
@@reinaldomartinez13 www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mnlxk5/every_line_of_eren_in_139_and_how_on_average_each/ this thread does a good job of showing how out of character Eren was in the last chapter
@@reinaldomartinez13 just because it was well foreshadowed doesn't make it good, I saw the ending coming a mile away but that doesn't mean I like having the manga tell me that I should feel bad about it, that I should feel sympathy for eren in this case
@@JDraks gonna be real right now - Titanfolk is the absolute core of the toxic bs that ruined the AoT fandom. Titanfolk were the ones who got so attached to their theories and Titanfolk are the ones who wet their pants so hard when the textual evidence they made up was kicked out by the thematically consistent actual ending
I feel like Isayama has been hit so hard with being rushed. There is NO DOUBT that had the final chapter been extended to 140, the ending would be infinitely better.
They will be some extra drafts that will be added in Ch 139 so extended ending?
Apparently there's going to be a reprint of the last chapter with extra pages. We're getting a Snyder cut boys!
But he rushed it himself. He wanted to focus on that Sauna business that he opened in the beggining of the year.
@@grantbeatty6224 he said' add a picture' not rewrite or reprint. stop telling the lie.
@@grantbeatty6224 Extra pages to extend the content of Chapter 139
Not rewriting
Stop lying
This is a long comment, but I hope someone reads it.
I had figured out quite a number of reveals of this chapter long in advance that I hadn't stopped to think how difficult it might be for others to suddenly get them all in 20 pages. For me, it was a constant barrage of "Yes, he's confirming it!", but it's probably too much if you hadn't expected these answers. I'll try to elaborate on why I think it's this way though, even if I would have preferred a double length chapter.
I should mention that the understanding of future sight is a little wrong though. It's not like Doctor Strange where Eren can see all possibilities. There's only one future he can see, and it's only glimpses and shards of memories. Back in 121, I began to wonder if this meant that Eren wasn't as free as the story was letting on. I understood that the implications of him being able to alter Eldians in the past meant that he could have saved his mother. He could have changed a lot of things. But no matter how much he wanted to, he knew he couldn't. He was bound by ensuring the future he was chasing would come to pass. Eren himself is a character who chases freedom, but why would you chase something you already have? He once said that the moment he realized he wasn't free was when he and Armin read that book as kids. He saw the look in Armin's eyes, like they could see an amazing dream that Eren couldn't see. Eren notices this very same look when they explore the world together this chapter. Eren is bound by a future he knows while Armin can move towards an unknown future with hope in his heart. The timeline is the way it is because of Eren, and it speaks volumes as to his motivations
Speaking for Eren's motivations, I'm surprised so many people thought he would kill his friends. The trauma of losing his mother, Squad Levi, Hannes, and all the others is his most profound pain. Even after he stops seeking revenge, he never stops holding that fear of losing his loved ones. Hannes' death scene in the anime especially hammers it in so deeply. Eren screams that nothing had changed, in reference to Hannes telling him early on that he wasn't strong enough to save his mother. Eren's love for his friends, his surrogate family, is one of the most integral elements to his character, enough that he would stand up to Levi for even thinking of choosing Erwin over Armin. I had wondered why people thought his father's memories had changed him into pursuing his nation's total freedom over his friends. In 89, Eren finishes recalling his memories but is still essentially the same person. It was only once he kissed Historia's hand that everything changed for him, and the rest of the series followed a much grimmer Eren. Without the explanation that came in 121 that he could see the future, the assumption in the meantime became succumbing to nationalism, but I don't think people revised that impression once they learned it was due to him understanding that he was going to kill billions.
For the baby, you hit the nail on the head. Back in 107, I had worried that Eren and Historia had taken on the mistakes of their parents and the cycle would continue. You could see them as Grisha and Dina who had Zeke for the purpose of using him. Or you could see them as the royal family who chose to sacrifice themselves to their children so they could continue being tools of King Fritz. For me, the concern was not WHAT the baby would be used for, but if it was going to be used at all. The farmer was intentionally left vague, and many story elements seemingly hinted at a deeper relationship between Eren and Historia, but nothing was ever confirmed even late in the story. And it couldn't be until the very end, because those red herrings kept the mystery box as to what Eren's true motivations and character really were. Eren is the second basement reveal of the series saved for the final chapter.
Isayama has said on several occasions that he has wanted his ending to hurt or betray his readers, that those are the works he remembers most. Many red herrings were intentionally included to push readers to certain conclusions when Isayama himself had never outright confirmed anything. The only way he could do this was by revealing everything in one go for the final chapter. You can call Eren whining in the water juvenile, but that is the point. That is him rubbing salt in the wound after pulling the rug out from beneath readers. Even Eren's exaggerated face as Armin punches it is indicative of Isayama's feelings. You just know he had been waiting to do that. It was the ultimate betrayal to readers who thought Eren had become an entirely new person. This was something that could not have possibly been pulled off over two months, so we ended up with a highly compressed conversation.
I must admit I wasn't expecting Eren being in love with Mikasa though. I know a lot of people who supported the genocide, Eren killing his friends, and Eren going back to his secret wife Historia and child, and the Mikasa thing is like battery acid on top of a salty wound to them. I'm definitely considering rereading and looking for more on that, but I don't want it to be taken as confirmation bias. I just assumed there would be no romance. But other than that, I had figured out Ymir's motivations, 90% of which are hinted at in 122. It never made sense to me why she just went back to King Fritz after becoming a godlike being and continued to serve him, have children, and even die for him. It's not like Fritz had magic powers, he was just a regular guy, so what was it that kept Ymir bound to his word for 2000 years? Her smile as Mikasa kissed Eren was when I had finally figured it out.
If you read this far, thank you.
I...wow. You summed up my thoughts perfectly.
I've seen many people claim how this ending especially ruined the genius that was 119-122. I feel people were too awed by Eren's 'genius', him being the 'final boss', etc to realize that that Paths saga is the premise of this ending.
@@kritikasrivastava530 Yeah, it really bugs me that people say the ending was changed when so much of it was clearly foreshadowed, especially in the chapters people believed to be on the path to the "original ending".
I started reading the manga before the anime, so I got a similar impression to what Mark said about the openings retroactively feeling like propaganda. I remember thinking back in 2013 that it felt like they were glorifying events that were clearly horrifying, and that certain aspects like Eren's anger were played up. Titans being hideous is reminiscent of wartime propaganda posters and videos that deformed and dehumanized other enemy races. I got very clear anti-war vibes from the series, but so many people took it at face value, that it was epic and cool.
I don’t think the genocide was treated positively in the story, but so many people thought it was really cool. I think it was excellent as a story element for all the discussion it could raise, but so many people took it as the obvious solution that they wouldn't think twice about. I don't think Isayama gave his opinion on whether he thought what Eren was doing was right or wrong. Instead, it felt more to me like he was giving this story as a cautionary tale. This is what happens when you let fear and tribalism rule you. This is what happens when you step on others for your own propagation. This is what happens when you don't hold empathy. You will push life into a corner, and when life gets pushed into a corner, it gets desperate and does anything it can to ensure its survival. It's not that the genocide could have been prevented, it's that Attack on Titan's world had reached the point where it was the only thing that could happen, whether it was wiping out all Eldians or everyone else.
As our own world develops more complex and destructive ways of warfare, we must always remember that we can't let things reach a point like it did here. We are a complex species and it's in life's building blocks to act in its own personal interests, but we need to have an understanding that the rest of the world is life too.
Yeah I agree, only that I expected Eren and Mikasa to become a thing, especially after ch 50, but then again Mikasa is my favorite character so I would pay extra attention to her and her relationships with others.
@@MACandCHEEZWIZ1 I'm glad someone else finally brings up the genocide part. None of the war is glorified; it's horrific and something no one should ever experience. For me I'm glad the story had the balls to actually go that route, it was refreshing to see. I reread the whole series the past week, and I must say this is the first time I've ever read something that kept bothering me after a day of being finished. It's a tragic and hopeful story. Eren got tired of depending on others and decided to take action to protect those he loved the most. Sasha and Hange were the only ones to die he truly cared about after he took action. His pain and suffering drove him over the edge to finally end it all for everyone. It's like he said, he became the villain so they could be the heroes and start a new life. He took the sins and flaws of the past, present, and future to forge a new beginning.
Man I really loved this comment
Erwins speech about them not being forgotten hits hard when you see Jean connie and levi looking at all the people that died along the way. They wont be forgotten. Not by those who still live on and can remember their sacrifice
His speech is the best part of the whole story for me
And then paradise gets bombed into dust. Yes they're all forgotten
When u realize that when grinsha said eren wouldn’t show anything else about the future it wasn’t eren not showing him but really he couldn’t see what happens after cuz there is no successor since Titans are gone
Damn
That’s just wrong. He was asking Eren for more memories not Eren’s successor. Eren only showed Grisha memories up until when the Colossal Titan broke the first wall but Eren could have sent Grisha memories from all the way to his (Eren’s) death but he only gave Grisha bits and peaces in order to better control Grisha
@@kharonhaden5136 well he did also show him the rumbling but yeah
@@CodeeXD maybe not all of it. At least not what Eren intends to do with it. Grisha complied so that the lives lost before and after would have meaning. So ig it would make sense for grisha to do it despite knowing about the rumbling (albeit not all of it). He did say he wished eren gave him something more.
I never thought about it 'til now but given how strongly Eren feels about Mikasa, I wonder just how much it hurt him to call her a slave and say he hated her? That scene just keeps on becoming more and more painful.
seeing as the dude genocided the majority of the planet, i doubt it was anywhere close to anything hes done
@@DeelMakreel I... feel like you need to have just Not read the series to have this take. It literally just SAYS why he did it
Idk. Doesn't sound as deep or tragic to me at all. Seen this countless times in anime. If Eren had actually already hinted he liked Mikasa, it'd have resonated more.
@@lancevance6346 chapter 50, 131, 138
IRS it's not saying specifically that eren loves mikasa, but its hinted...a d now that we have the validation of those hinted...
@@CODkiller80 they are just people who read the chapter on the reviews. I mean... it's like u said "it was all explained".
Animeonly fans will be saved from the curse of speedruning the manga finale
It’s a good concept I hope the anime doesn’t rush the execution 🥺
Leaks also ruin everything.
It don't get better even if you take it slow bro. The ending is super rushed to begin with
they will be saved from curse of leaking shitty leaks and terrible translations that ruined expierience for a lot of ppl and then they were so enraged they didnt care about anything anymore
After finishing the anime adaptation of AOT, I am very convinced that they watched reviews like this one They made changes and extensions that address all of the constructive criticisms presented in this review and a bit from the Colossal One too. It is actually pretty awesome to see.
Eren thinking he secured all his friends lives:
Marley who just developed nukes: Parry this you f*cking casuals!
Marley is no more fam, funny comment tho
@@parapasstonga2951 Yes it is, there still a whole ass marley colony that the Rumble did not touch (In the equivalent of South America and Europe of Aot)
Cringe
@@jinxluvver3909 I am cringe, But I am free
Marley and the other nations are busy coping and trying to catch up since Eren fucked them up
if there was some way to boil down totally not marks videos into liquid form and shoot them directly into my veins god knows I'd be living in a crack den by now
what is this comment?
Wow, that is a powerful comment. It is impossible to explain how that makes him feel. it struck hard and shows deep thought and contemplation on this topic.
@@GoldenChallanger not my joke ruclips.net/video/RPnBKCImu-k/видео.html time stamp 6.52
@@AliBaba-rt1gw i was just trying to talk like mark by over exaggerating what i say while not saying anything at all.
Your reimagined liquid grumps as liquid Mark lol
Every time I see Sasha's smile from the last chapter I shed a tear
@Domagoj Čović Those fighting words?
@Domagoj Čović how is she an awful character exactly?
@Domagoj Čović 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Domagoj Čović comrades, time to reload the ak
Eren didn't kill his mother, It was a mistranslation it was yamir that killed her , eren cant controller titans without royal blood
Started rewatching with this in context and the scene with kid Eren waking crying from a "long dream" hit me for the first time. Holy shit.
Just a quick headup: the line that Armin says in Japanese is badly translated even in the ufficial translation.
In japanese Armin says error as "Ayamachi", a word that has similar meaning to "Machigai", "mistake".
Both words means "error, mistake", but while the second one has a more "Easy going error meaning", the first one is the word that Isayama actually use.
It means an error that is life changing, cannot be undone and that' is morally wrong and unjustificable.
This sheeds a much clearer meaning to that phrase in 139, something that is sadly lost in translation.
eh, people still can't read, if you think Armin supports genocide even after he says clearly that it was an error, then something's wrong with you
@@ultimateme3049 I'm with you on this one tbh.
@@ultimateme3049 he does justify it tho, by thanking Eren for doing it, when he should have been against the rumbling even after eren explains everything. Armin can be sympathetic to Erens situation, but he shouldn't praise him for going through with it, even if it was with good intentions
@@powercore2000 *sigh*
@@powercore2000 that's why he still says it was an "error", he 's simpathetic but he still doesn't condone it
I think this chapter should've been focused on those first 20 pages and chapter 140 should've been about the aftermath. Chapter 139 could've ended with the levi scene
THIS.
ABSOLUTELY THIS
”Fritz and Ymir’s romantic adventures Episode 1: Walking the dogs”
Calling it.
Then the dogs have a gruesome death followed by the reveal it is actualy JoJo part 9 and the paths is another time warping stand.
@@trackts it makes more sense than this ending tbh
it may be less ridiculous than the manga's ending
All of this being said, MAAPA's ending (as long as they follow the story) could fix the pacing problems of the last chapter cinematically.
OR use the akatsuki no requiem ending instead!
@@liviupetre9561 pls dont this is way worse than the original
@@nerevarchthn6860 mind explaining?
@@liviupetre9561 the dialogue is so out of character between armin and eren historias reveal is messed up and doesnt make any sense this fanfiction is a perfect example of why stories are told by one author and not by random people thinking they can do it better but i must say i really liked their idea of eren talking to his younger self i think thats pretty great as a reflection of what he has become thats the only thing id like to see in the anime
@@nerevarchthn6860 I didn't talk about the fan made ending. And bullshit with awkward dialogue. You all keep pretending the alliance arc is peak writing. Why should I agree with you a fan made has awkward dialogue, but in the manga alliance arc has peak dialogue or even peak writing?! Mikasa being obsessed with Eren like a fucking child. The alliance being fine with Reiner, Annie, Pieck, Gabi and Magoth, DESPISE THEY LITERALLY FOUGHT RIGHT BEFORE THE RUMBLING STARTED! Fuck the official last 4 volumes! Even the ending is absolute BULLSHIT! You all "people" hate a fucking fan made, because it "disrespects the original author's work". Like....what the actual fuck? It's a fucking fan made! Made for those unhappy with the manga ending! You "people" also hate it, because you can't stand a male main character loving female another character that isn't the main female character! Like, tell me why you, things, ship Eren and Mikasa!? Let me guess! Is it because Eren is the main male character and Mikasa is the female main character, which means THEY MUST FUCK 👉👌! Go cry about a fucking fan made, loser
The main problem that I have with this chapter is when Armin asks Eren why he did the rumbling, his response is literally "I don't know." Why didn't he just say that it was to protect his friends and Eldia? It makes him seem like a psychotic maniac when he's not supposed to be.
When Eren says "I don't know" he is lying in order not to look like a monster in Armin's eyes, in fact while he is saying this his father can be seen saying in the background "You are free."
Also in chapter 131 Eren says that he didn't do rumbling just for Paradis, but also for another reason, which is that the world outside the walls disappointed him, because it was full of people who wanted to take away his freedom, and that's why he did rumbling, to eliminate those who wanted to take away his freedom.
@@nicolopiva2811 bruh, eren is gonna die and armin isn't even gonna remember the conversation until eren dies, what would be the point of lying during the point when he's literally spilling all his guts to armin???
He kinda is tho, he killed 80% of humanity to protect a small island that will probably disembowel itself under its fascist despotism. That’s not even considering the rest of the world, which is intact since the rumbling moved radially.
he pussied out he should have gone through with his plan, did he think the rest of the world wont find a way too put blame on paradise and genocide the shit out of them in retaliation.
@@osedebame3522 But he had a reason for doing it before this chapter and his reasons made sense, nobody was under the impression that he was slaughtering countless people just because he felt like it.
"You became a mass murderer for our sake." should be a meme.
oh don't worry. It is
Since it is (from what i got online) a "bad translation", it will probably became the next "what a beutiful Duwang" 2.0
I think the biggest problem is it was rushed, if the anime can add more scenes to build it I think it’ll be good.
Well, the anime was a bit rushed as well
@@LuisSierra42Nah the Anime really did help clear things up a lot. I think many manga readers never really understood the nuances of the ending until they saw it animated (if course, many people had already made up their minds to hate it no matter what, unfortunately)
@@Sir_TophamHatt I think that if they had done one episode dedicated to Ymir + Fritz, one dedicated to the Mikasa + Eren memory and one with Eren + Armin, nobody would complain. I can completely understand the ending but other people felt betrayed by it
I mean the fact we got the bird eren meme out this chapter already makes it a top tier ending
Remember from The marley arc to the rumbling, Eren's eyes looked dead inside as if he never wanted to do any of this but is being forced to.
He was saved by his friend that is why he hesitated
It’s too late. Internet wanted Chad Eren and rebelling cause he’s the same Eren.
He wanted to do this. It was his actions that told Grisha to rise through Kruger, who coaxed his father into eating the royals, who was saved from wanting to die by Historia, who broke down in front of ramzi for what his actions and everybody else's inaction led to, was retconned into someone with no drive, no reason and someone who apparently wanted to rearrange the guts of the girl he tried to distance himself from for years.
@@Edski10 are you insulting him or defending cuz am confused
@@zaryabK-vi8fh Defending pre-139 eren as one of the best written characters, while slamming 139's version for completely retconning him
On a separate note, props to Editor San! This video's editing was so damn beautiful ❤️
I'm afraid some of your recent videos have incorrect information... have you cleared your misconceptions regarding Eren being "retconned" as a character?
The anime ending was a masterpiece. I literally put off watching this video until after seeing it. That's 2 years Mark.
glad you enjoyed it
i wish i could...
I was one of those fans greatly disappointed by the finale.
*THANK YOU* for _not only_ being patient with us, but for ALSO explaining each and every aspect of the ending in meticulous detail. I appreciate the fact that you spoke about both the things that _worked,_ AS WELL AS the things that _didn't_ work.
*BUT YOU DIDN'T STOP THERE;* you went one step further than most other RUclips critics and explained exactly _why_ certain things "didn't work" in the finale. For example: your gentle explanation concerning Eren's sudden passionate declaration of love for Mikasa being simply put in the "wrong place" *makes sense.* ... although I wish that Isayama had put in a little more subtext to illustrate that Eren felt SOMETHING other than sibling affection for Mikasa prior to this. (I know most people point to the "what am I to you?" scene as validation to this, but I wish there had been other moments).
• I also appreciate the fact that you explained the significance of Mikasa having to be the one who klled Eren. I never noticed the parallels between her and (founder) Ymir until your video. The handling of Mikasa was one of the things I disliked. I wanted her to be there at the end along with Armin and Eren. It was always the 3 of them. It felt ..WRONG to me, not including her.
• Finally, I'm STILL a little irritated concerning the whole "Historia's baby" plot. I was expecting the baby to be more significant...it feels like they played up the importance of the pregnancy and baby; that panel space could have been given to more character development in establishing Eren's feelings for Mikasa or his motives, but your explanation makes sense.
*THANK YOU* for not treating disgruntled fans as "less than". I know many other fans might look to that vocal percentage of fans who disliked the ending and turn up their noses at our anger. At our core, we are just hurt fans who feel/felt let down by the ending, who didn't understand the points Isayama was trying to get across.
I STILL don't agree with some of the decisions made in the finale, and I feel that it was rushed, but your explanation has DEFINITELY softened my dislike of it. After viewing your vid, I wish that Isayama had maybe been given more time, (and more pages) to tell his ending. I believe this would have helped make things NOT feel so cut and paste and from left field.
I wish all AoT fans expressed their opinion as well as you. Bravo!
Honestly tho he was more charitable to people who hated the ending than they deserve. People seem to think everything is either the greatest thing ever or the worst thing ever. AOT is a modern masterpiece with a ok ending IMO. I felt the same with death note, one of the greatest manga/anime of all time but the ending and the final arc didnt really measure up to what came before L __________ (not gonna not gonna spoil it even if its super old).
i will agree tho people on both sided have be straight up arsefaces about the ending not letting anyone who liked it or hated it give any valid critique or have a discussion.
You are the kind of people aot fandom needs but sadly this fandom is mostly filled with people who dont understand what a middle ground is......they either take one side or the other , for example - some people defend the ending without acknowladging its flaws and some hate the ending without trying to understand what was good in the ending...
@@saumik5 you are absolutely right I’m one of those people who are ok with the ending
I hope more people like you in the fandon give their opinion on the final chapter. It's very refreshing to see someone *finally* give constructive criticism instead of hate.
The author says that the anime is his stories final product so he could improve the ending conversation between armin and Erin.
Source?
@@lilnass6891 umm the uprising arc? It was a clusterfuck in Manga, came out beautifully in the Anime.
@@kritikasrivastava530 Really? Opposite for me, preferred the dialogue and character and thematic writing and storytelling much more in the manga
@@chrisjoy1321 Lots of Manga readers liked it but Isayama actually hated that arc and thought it was not his best work. He consulted with Wit to cut down what he thought wasn’t needed.
@@packr72 huh? i remember lots of manga readers hating it as it came out, it's only after a few years passed and the anime adapted it that people started saying it was good
Rewatching this is crazy. The story is basically a warning to never commit a terrorist attack to avoid creating an Eren. The rumbling was always something that Eren was capable of doing without hesitation.
Well, the harm the cycle of hate causes and what kind of monsters are created from said hatred is a major theme of the story, so it makes sense.
And he just created Millions of more Eren’s. How many survivors mothers were murdered during the Rumbling and will want vengeance on the ones that still supported his message?
@@brandonlyon730 that’s my issue too, there’s no freakin way the people of paradis will ever see freedom again, people will retaliate and even if you said they got rid of their nuclear option, everyone will still want revenge
@@OwlEye2010 That's life, isn't it? We all know violence begets violence but who stops? Ofcourse there is no Omnicide here but what did we learn after the world wars? Half the world is still a warzone.
@@brandonlyon730 well marley and its cities were flattened, the only known marley populace is the remaining soldiers. The only people wanting to harm paradise are foreigners but out of fear not for revenge. Nobody liked marley
"the ending was good because it was meant to show change"
the extra pages:
I never saw an ending get just completely steamrolled in post. It's like making a directors cut of a good movie and turning it into garbage with it
The ending up till Mikasa's farewell was fine enough for me, but I have to agree, the extra pages really soured it. But that's just me
@@Mr.Needle-Hamster “Ymir loved king fritz” “It was Mikasa” “Only Ymir knows” In my personal opinion this is where it’s fate was sealed. Also eren acting in his own mind. 131 was a masterpiece. Then 139 happened.
“The people who push themselves into hell see a different hell from the rest of us. They also see something beyond that hell. Maybe it’s hope. Maybe it’s another hell. I don’t know which it is. The only people who do know...are the ones who keep moving forward” - Eren Yeager
Except Eren never pushed himself. He was a puppet to fate all the way to the end.
@@RevanX77 Eren was talking about Armin & everyone else that pushed themselves into the hell of the rumbling to stop it because they saw hope beyond that hell . Eren wasn’t just referring to himself when he said that imo.
And even then he had to keep convincing himself to keep moving forward into the hell he knew would be imminent. He was a slave to that path but he still had to abandon his humanity to get to the point of freedom.
@@RevanX77 try, just for a second, try to understand what 'keep moving forward' means here.
@@RevanX77 he did push himself tho, whatever you think of 139 Eren, he still commited those atrocities, he still did the rumbling, he did, push her friends away and he told Mikasa to forget about him (those were his last words by the way) he might have been a slave to his fate, but he continued moving forward. The mere fact that he only had two breakdowns during this whole ordeal is impressive
@@kritikasrivastava530 Moving forward into what? If he was referring to the others, they neither saw nor found hope after the Rumbling, the world is still geared for war and has only been given a reprieve. And Eren, again he never was pushing himself, he was being pushed by forces he had no control over.
I feel that this chapter will do greatly better when it gets animated
Considering manga is restricted to pages, and still pacing, this chapter, all animated, can resolve some of the chapter nuances that are needed to be resolved
So I think, of course
Isayama also has a bit of control in the production in the anime often removing, adding, or changing scenes. After he's rested a bit he'll be able to make the anime much better.
I would like to say I liked the ending but not the execution. I think another 2-3 chapters fleshing out more details and showing more character interactions could have made this perfect.
I'm a sucker for "relatively happy" endings, so I'm mostly happy/satisfied with this ending. The few issues I have are really not deal-breakers. And as other people have said, the series as a whole is a 10/10.
Can’t be a ten if it isn’t perfect
9
Isn’t Death Note rated 10 as a series?
Yet the ending wasn’t that good.
@@rudrod95_41 No series is perfect. Code geass was very inconsistent right up until the ending. Death Note's quality decreased kinda after L died. Monster was really slow at moments. Evangelion was pretty okayish and often repetitive and boring right until the 20th episode. Fate/Zero doesnt explain the legends properly and thus cannot be enjoyed fully by those who arent familiar with the mythologies and history. Finally, The AOT ending is rushed and controversial. See the similarities here? All of the series I mentioned are (IMO) masterpieces of fiction. This isnt limited to anime tho. Lets consider literature now. A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens can often be slow and cumbersome. The Godfather by Mario Puzo has a lot of filler in it. Crime And Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky isnt all that interesting unless you're super hardcore into psychology and shit. See my point? No work of fiction is perfect. Arent all these masterpieces too?
@@nayeemhaider8367 I totally agree with your comment. A work of art does'nt need to be perfect to be consider a masterpiece. There are plenty of examples in literature, cinema and painting, that nowadays have the status of being masterpieces, not for being perfect, but for the impact and influence they have achieved with the years. I think AOT will achieve that status in the future
@@nayeemhaider8367 I totally agree... I personally don't think I myself was satisfied with the endings of any story I ever read...
It can’t be exclusively me who foresaw the fact that the attack Titan’s powers in of themselves could only result in one scenario whether the bringer of it wanted it or not
Yup. AoT is deterministic, and idk but that's one of my favorite parts of AoT
I feel like the anime is gonna go way more in depth on Eerens reasoning, so the reaction is gonna be way better than the mangas’.
It can't. Eren's reasoning in 139 makes little to no sense and is inconsistent with what's been established of his character. It'll just ruin Eren even more.
@@tnb4509 you're probably from titanfolk
@@katerinagagne1809 he ain't wrong tho
@@katerinagagne1809 how does that even discredit wat he said😐 u couldn’t even give a reason to how he’s wrong
@@katerinagagne1809 Well you got that right..... I don't post there myself but I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree with those users.
The execution of the chapter was the only thing that made me mad. Not the things that happened but how they happened. It felt so damn rushed.
This is pretty much my take as well. The ending really was what it needed to be. It's the execution that was lackluster. The anime adaptation will likely fix it though, so I'm looking forward to it. The ending of the manga felt rushed and half-formed, so I'd rather watch the "final" version in the anime before I pass judgement.
@@chiefpurrfect8389 EXACTLY BRO. that’s the biggest gripe, it felt rushed, this ending could have been better if it got one more chapter and more questions answered, hopefully the anime fixes
I completely disagree. what part was rushed ? The chapter felt like a perfect wrap up to me. and each time I reread it it feels even more so the case.
@@SasuraRdm glad you feel that way
@@SasuraRdm For me the biggest issue of the final chapter is with the dialogue. It felt like it didn't flow naturally. It didn't feel like a proper send-off to Eren’s character or even what a real conversation between him and Armin would feel like. For one, it was mostly just Eren expositioning the heck out of everything that happened up until that point. Then Isayama clearly had certain emotional beats and dialogue exchanges he deemed necessary to include but had very limited time in a single chapter, so as a result you get Armin reacting to information after information, panel after panel without much pause or introspection. It ends up feeling more like a checklist of scenes than a piece of dialogue. Some of its worst tonal whiplash is a product of this issue as well, with Armin reacting with horror and anger to some of the revelations, then a page or two down the line you have him teasing Eren about Mikasa finding another dude and Eren throwing a childish tantrum over it. There are also some pieces of dialogue that are very clumsily written because there wasn't enough time. There's that (by now) infamous quote by Armin that comes across as "thank you for committing war crimes, Eren!". But if you consider the context a bit more and aren't a bad faith actor, it's clear that he’s really just thanking Eren for his intention to protect them after Armin gains some clarity on the heartbreak and lengths Eren went to in order to achieve that goal, not supporting or condoning what he's done (I mean, if the fact that Armin and the rest turned against him and were willing to die in order to stop him doesn't tell you everything you need to know about what they think of Eren's actions, I don't know what does).
Other than that, I feel like some plot developments hinging on certain concepts and elements would feel a lot more earned if said concepts and elements were expanded upon more; case on point- the Paths, which ended up playing a HUGE part in the story unfolding the way that it did. Same with the centipede thingy, same with Ymir. I'd say the second half becomes increasingly more rushed, but it's really just the final chapter that is affected to that degree by having to cover so much information and ground.
All that being said though, I stand by my original comment that I overall liked the ending and thought it was what the series needed in order to gain proper closure. The skeleton is there, it's the meat that's the problem. Also I'm happy you enjoyed it, I'm not trying to take that away from you by voicing my grievances. I can both like it and be critical of it.
*Isayama Speedrunning all the missing plot points in the last chapter*
WITS/MAPPA: We’ll take care of this my dude, Just take some rest in your creation
I know it sounds silly but the japanese version is worded way better and it hit emotionally very well. The only parts that hit well in the translated english version are the ones that didn't have much text. Like Levis scene and the last scene with Mikasa. They really didn't nail the nuances in the translation in my opinion. Of course having a better translation wouldn't change the ending completely but I think it plays a bigger role than many may think... Because the ending is really well received in the japanese community.
There's been a few times I've read the original text and found that its more emotional than the translation too.
I've always expected to read the official translation of every chapter because Japanese language even korean cannot be translated in a rush.
@@zhisu2665 can you please tell me where I can read the Japanese version of the manga? I'm not Japanese but I've learnt the language. I'd love to know what the original script says
That’s cool! Unfortunately I can’t read Japanese ;(
How are there people who accept this ending
"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
- Eren
I'm just at the 4 minute mark, but I got the feeling that, rather than Eren seeing each possibility, he just got nonlinear deterministic time: the future is as unchangeable as the past, if you experience them all at the same time. Watchmen's Dr. Manhattan's curse, all given to an unstable 15 year old boy.
EDIT: And you brought him up! In any case, the most apt parallel for Eren's character is that, once he touched Historia's hand, he was pretty much in what may be Interstellar's black hole. He could only do what had always been that way.
(Determinism being accurate to our universe scares me, and I REALLY hope time has another axis where it branches; many-worlds theory soothes a bit of that existential dread)
Then Attack on Titan Jr. High should give you peace. I would argue that it is a cannon splinter timeline of the pathways. Plus it's so dang wholesome!!!
I mean the many-worlds theory is nice but the problem is we are still deterministically driven in the world which we find out current consciousness inhabiting, so it's still deterministic for us even if there are other universes where we made different choices.
Yes. There was only one path
@@MrCman321 Yeah, but we neither know what branch we are at, nor what the following split will lead to (other than it will be other splits). You can also argue that we can only experience the world with 3 spatial dimensions and a temporal one, so, you may argue the branching worlds are still the same universe, just across a dimensional axis we cannot experience. And you may even argue that the branching selves may as well be understood as different parts of the same thing. But, that is waxing phylosophical going on with theoretical physics to give a spice of extra wonder to the world; sheer determinism is a bummer: Either all futures exist, or not a single one does; just a singular future is depressing to me.
Eren is able to witness his parents his have sex from his dad's point of view at all times everytime, let that sink in...
Ok so hear me out...
I acknowledge It still could have been better executed or phrased, but lot of people have a problem with Eren's "I don't want Mikasa to be with another man' outburst', which honestly didn't strike me as that strange, it was the one time since being in his omnipetent state (that I can remember) where he seemed to show genuine emotion, the last time in his life where hell be able to express how he truely feels about her before he dies, these are his raw unfiltered feelings, and aside that I feel anime romance, or honestly a lot of mainstream romance in general frequently paints a lot selfish impulses like possession and jealousy as romantic so this depiction doesnt particularly surprise me, but in a way its oddly fitting.
Because well, Mikasa's love for Eren has frequently been descibed as, unhealthy, obsessive, and certainly had her moments of possessiveness and jealousy, literally the entire last arc is her reisting having to kill Eren even though he has murdered SO MANY PEOPLE. So Eren's outburst in a way is him expressing 'My feelings for Mikasa are just as selfish and irrational as her love for me!" And in that way, I weirdly find it kind of fitting.
But then again, you know, he did just kill most of humanity so its still ok to give him shit about it
To me It feel Out of nowhere Like back When he said "Mikasa i have always hated you" it was heartbreaking but it feel like it did make sense Like we always saw eren pushing mikasa away rejecting her i mean sure he was obiviosely lying but it felt canon to me what i hated about it.
is when He was like "I HAVE ALWAYS LOVE HER I WANNA BE WITH HER I DON"T HER TO BE WITH ANYONE ELSE" when i readed that i cringed i mean i guess it was suppost to be Pathatic and Cringy to show that eren Is a human who has emotions And whatever but I thought his devoloment through the series was about him becoming a ruthless emotionless monster seeing his mom getting eaten alive getting betrayed by people who were like A brothers to him ect.
idk man it was weird seeing him like this
Btw i love your videos
I would argue that a major aspect of love is selfishness. A degree of possessiveness is an inherent part of the experience for most people. Ffs, most wedding vows have a line along the lines of "You are mine and I am yours". Of course there's a limit to how much of that can be considered healthy and I don't think what Eren says in the last chapter really counts as that considering he does still want Mikasa to move on and enjoy life after he's gone. Something that would've happened regardless of if he even went through with the Rumbling since he only had a couple years left on the clock anyway.
@@solidhutyr1815 exactly but we already had him breaking down on ramzi. Which showed he was human
Great to see you here giving your opinion too! I'd love to see you do a big review of the series too
The Last of Us Part II example is off key in my opinion. The way you worded it sounded like the games bad reception was highly based off the leaks when many people (myself included) did not look at the leaks prior and still did not enjoy the game.
Facts 💯
It makes it sound like Mark doesn't actually believe in objective criticism of media. I love Mark and Eyepatch Wolf. But it drives me crazy that they think it can't be done for things people love.
also how it only won awards because the game awards is rigged, if you go to their site and look at the votes it says public vote is only worth 10% and the remaining 90% is for media journalists the same people who praised the shit game as if it was the best game ever
It mostly was based off leaks though.
Just as Gigguk said the ending of Attack on Titan is what would determine if it was a modern masterpiece , but it does not need the greatest ending in all of existence because all of the story until now was absolutely amazing , it just needs to land on two feet , which in my eyes it did .
A plot centred story needs a good ending
@@puppetmaskerr I just said that with how amazing the story has been , the final chapter just needs to not be bad
@@AlexT7916 It was bad
@@puppetmaskerr c'mon.. it wasn't even that bad, it's decent imo
@@doggod9167 Nope, it was atrocious. Worst manga ending ever.
People are acting surprised over the ymir thing when we already knew she threw herself in front of a spear to save fritz way before
exactly!!!
These people don't know about Stockholm syndrome and abusive relationship
Istg these people only sees what they want to see smh that wedding panel came up TWICE yet they cant connect the dots that Ymir wanted to be loved.
i think its rly stupid and irresponsible to call what ymir felt for king fritz "love" and to compare it to eren and mikasas relationship
That's cause it is not at all fucking understandable she threw herself in front of a spear cause she was binded to him as a slave.
Here I am hoping Mark covers the anime endings expansions
“Any ending can be the greatest or worst, all it takes is for people to believe it” - Eren Kruger kind of
Isayama just foreshadowed us for the ending and that message is for us readers
When reading this I found my self pausing on certain panels and digesting them. I think the problem is that people read things at a different pace. At no point did I think anything was rushed or silly but maybe that’s because when those impactful moments happened I just stared at the panel and lingered upon them.
Do you think the adaptation of the anime will help fix the out of control pace of this chapter? I think it might at least he a bit more digestible so thats good.
@@jossecoupe446 The anime could potentially make the ending a lot better. But I don't know if the season4 directors would do that. The director of WiT AoT would have done it, because his narrative style allows breathing time and can make a mundane event dramatic. I am Not sure of the Mappa AoT director tho.
Things were definitely rushed, but yeah people often speed read and also reading half assed context leaks prior to every chapter also leads to different expectations and opinions
@Lazy I Hope so.
@@nithinnk1980 Apparently a certain physical release of the final chapter soon to come out will contain extra/new pages or something, I really hope those might also help mitigate the rushed nature of the chapter (though it might as well be some concept art that was never used, still I keep my hopes up)
“It’s easier to make fun of something than to try and understand it” - perfectly stated!
The first few days After the chapter dropped I was desperate for a nuanced conversation about its contents (good and bad) but it felt like all I could find were birds memes being upvoted to the heavens...
Appreciate the video, Mark and team!
thats the Problem with Memes in our current Web-Age. Nobody is able to discuss and talk anymore. All is communicated by Memes and everyone just wants to be the funniest person in the Room. Nobody can express how good/ bad/ etc. something is. This annoys me
@@svensei5643 also i think the worst thing is ,nowadays many people form their opinion based on memes which is dumb, like for example - the eren bird thing is mostly the result of memes ,well i know that some people genuinly were confused about it but most think that eren is a bird now because of memes
I'd love to see a small video going over the 2 specials that end the series in anime format
I came to watch this after watching the ending of the anime. First thing, I cried during the end. Also Mark I'd like to report that the suplex Gabi gave Falco was instead depicted as a warm childish hug that had too much speed, which is cuter. This video helped me understand the thing about Ymir watching Mikasa be able to let go and how the Curse of the Titans being around was her being obedient, thank you for making that make sense.
I wasn't expecting this at all, a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
Star Wars prequel memes are timeless classics
Now the obvious question...what u think about them extra pages??
The anime did the ending amazingly in the my opinion, as I have never read the manga. There’s just no reviews of the anime episode right now, so I need an analysis of the ending. The flaws you mentioned in the first 20 pages of this chapter do not seem to fit the description of the anime, cause I nearly started crying during that scene. I was not thinking about logistics one bit, the emotion was done so well thanks to the music.
Anyone else here who waited for the anime to finish before watching this video?
Me!
Yup. And the colossal review as well.
The Levi scene was definitely the Best of the entire chapter!
Overall the ending was bittersweet and I wouldn't have it any other way. I can't believe I watched it when I was 11 and now I'm 19 in uni, it was absolutely amazing to be a part of this era. Thanks for the memories Attack on Titan and until the last half of the anime comes out, this is farewell for now.
I started watching Aot when I was 7, and now I’m 14. It’s been a crazy ride with Aot and I think although the ending should be more fleshed out, it’s still a 10/10 for me 😅
@@Raza9428 you be exploring topics like Stockholm syndrome and stuff when you are just 14 😳 dammmnnnn
@PANORAMA Gaming stockhopm syndrome is definitely something 14 year olds know about 🤣
You’re not giving them enough credit
@@eresoup7229 I absolutely did not know any of these things at 14?! Was i just dumb?
@@LordComradeAnarchoCapitalus It's dependant on the kid, but you'll see tween tv mention things like that dramatically
Honestly, the whole final arc, The Rumbling Arc, was a bit of a mix bag of quality. While a majority of it had decent character moments and events that were profound, it was just marred with issues, plot, character and story wise. However, did it completely ruin the whole series for me? No. I, and everyone else, still love AOT for the story it told, even if it did fumbled its final landing.
The Rumbling arc still had excellent plot, but suffered in execution imo. The anime will more than likely improve upon it vastly as Isayama himself expressed his dissatisfaction with how he handled some points and dialogue.
@@supereinstien001 exactly. Here's hoping the anime will stick the landing.
To me, the narrative was the only thing that was bad about the Rumbling arc
Tbh I really liked the ending even with the inconsistencies and plot holes
@@xhsd5538 are we watching the same thing here
I see this ending as the reverse game of thrones, but not immediately. On a first read, I thought it was okay, just fine - but the more I think about it, the better it gets. It’s still just fine, but it’s deep enough and still feels earned, unlike game of thrones.
yeah exacly, like it couldn't been better i.e. spent more time in the oven, but overall the ending fits aot
yeah game of thrones is irredeemable at this point unless GRrR martin actually finishes the books
*What I liked about the ending:*
- Eren's conversation with Armin and showing him the world.
- Eren finally wiping out the Titans.
- While the war may continue, Eren gave Paradis a huge chance in winning.
- Eren showing his true emotions and feelings for Mikasa.
- Levi saluting his comrades.
- Jean and Connie seeing Sasha one last time.
- I'm fine with the farmer being the father. Even though I was wishing it was Eren.
*What I hated about the ending:*
- Eren saying that he killed his mom.
- Ymir's "love" for king Fritz.
- Eren dropping plot bombs without any explanation.
good news for you. eren didnt kill his mom. ymir did.
What about historia being just cast to the side even though there was so much set up for her to way more - my opinion
@@tameoregano5006 Cast to the side? I thought her being the very reason the age of the titans being over made her very important to the plot
Through out the attack on titan manga eren never showed intrested in mikasa so the romance is forced
@@sheikhheisen she could have way more interactions with eren because she argueble knew him the best and they had real evidence for the liking each over
I think Eren killing his mother was a bad change. This is because I had thought we already established the abnormality of Dina's Titan earlier which is why it went for Eren and his family . that she was always going to follow Grisha even after being sent to Pardis. The root of Eren's hatred is really for himself now? Thats what I get from this change. idk that is one of the largest things that bothers me with this ending
Not really, he hated the titans before his mother's death because they took away his freedom and the freedom of humanity. His mother's death just cemented that resolve.
@@Siriwarbreakerskz Even if that's the case, wouldn't he still be responsible for the titans being man-eating monsters that effectively imprison the Eldians inside Paradise in the first place?
@@quintus920 To explain a tiny theory I have (having just finished the manga hours ago) I think an explanation for is that Eren only sent Dina after his mom when he became the true Founder. Since as explained in the video, Eren has complete omniscience and sees and can interact in all points of time. Then now having that ability on top of the Founders power to control titans at will, all he had to do was to control Dina at that one point to kickstart the journey we've already experienced. That could also extend to when he controlled the titans the first time, as it is a point of importance for his path.
I personally feel like a lot of this is inferred and this is strictly my take on the idea.
He did not kill his mother. He simply made Dina went for another target instead of Bertold, because it wasn't his time to die yet. He might did it knowing his mother was going to be the casualty that kickstarted the whole story, but did he have any other choice? It's not like the past can be changed, everything was set in stone and there isn't any other timeline as far as I know. He influenced the past, but in a sense, the past that already happened is the reason he's there. Convoluted, I know, but it's not like anything remotely related to time travel isn't.
@@RedAkai5342 and you're absolutely correct, doesn't take much thinking to reach that
Its kind of messed up that genocide was completely justified in the end
I agree, the fact that the Eldians were genocided and seen as justified in-universe was extremely messed up. It's Eren's fault though, he didn't finish the job.
#KingFloch
@@Vulpas Fax
With the last of us I have genuinely heard No praise whatsoever of the game I've seen people play the game loving the 1st and hating the 2nd I don't think in this situation you can use that game towards a more nuanced show like attack on titan which has depth
I agree and he sort of framed it as if any negative opinion about the game isn’t substantial because of the leaks.
@@Tobacco_Bowls exactly I saw multiple streamers actively not want to play the game anymore
Even one of my favourite RUclipsrs the shuckmeister who loved the last of us 1 hated 2
You cant compare aot which had a pretty good ending too it
I went into TLOU2 blind and I, and everyone I know irl loved it. It wasn't until I went online that I found out some people actually don't like it. I'm still surprised.
Yeah, mark really did a big disservice to AoT by comparing it to Last 2 (specifically the early reception / circumstances surrounding it).
While yes it was rushed, I loved this chapter. Eren said he would wipe out the titans and he did just that. The Levi scene was great and Armin and Eren's talk was both heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time. I just wish we got to see the aftermath a little more than we did
You are not alone, I thought that it was great while having a few things I didn't wanted to happen in thisbway, still the ending Eren deserved.
20 IQ right there
@@AccendinoMCM Someone liked something somewhere? No way
Breathtaking? You want me to destroy that conversation in one fell swoop? Armin beats Eren not because he killed 80% of the world population, not because he literally looks him in the eye and says he doesn't know why he did it, but because Eren was mean to Mikasa. Some bloke Armin is, ay?
@@AccendinoMCM oh no, look we have the world righteous person who knows the good in everything. Man, you sure are fun to live with, for a party pooper kid that is.
AoT basically attempted a Code Geass ending but failed miserably.
EREN failed miserably. Not the series. Say it with me now, Eren Was Always Wrong
2 years. happy to be here finally.
We need an update for the ending based on the Anime!
I felt like the ending was a bit rushed but had decent amount of symbolism and foreshadowing. People overreact saying this ending totally ruined the series. Oh dear😂. Regardless, I thank Isayama for creating such an amazing story.. I have been reading the manga for about 8 years now. Regardless the outcome, I will and will forever love AOT.
@Pride The only real problem with the ending would be the loose ends, which can be linked to the rushed feeling of the chapter, however when you make up the pieces and read into what isn't told with it's symbolism and small details you'll find that it, storywise, wraps things up reaaaaally well, but yes the main issue is the pacing, otherwise it would've been perfect. But it still is one the best stories put to paper
yeah, i've seen some dude that the series goes from 10/10 to 1/10, like..........lmao........ i cannot even take that seriously
@Pride I agree with your point but question. "it's just good" are you pertaining to the series or the ending? I personally saw the ending just good but the series amazing.
@@ultimateme3049 it's extremely cringe and illogical really. No matter how bad the ending is, AOT will always and will forever retain a score higher than 7. A 1/10 score to an amazing series just because of a "just good" ending does not seem logical in any way shape or form. Let's take for example how I rated the 2nd season of the promised neverland. It was utter garbage I gotta be honest (just my opinion) but I still rated it a 3/10 because no matter how shit it is, it sill had very few positive qualities about it.
@@commandereggwin2160 yea it’s like these mfs forgot they devotedly followed SnK in the first place for some reason...a 1/10 story shouldn’t be able to do that, it would’ve been dropped from the start
yes, the dialogue between eren and armin seems rushed and stacked, and yet from the characters point of view, it is natural. two lifelong friends who know each other so well, well enough that this would exactly be how the conversation would play out in real life. they needed not to explain every detail in their conversation, because they know and understand what each other was thinking. that's why it felt so genuine to me. this is two friends conversing, not two characters explaining the storys ending to readers. its beautiful.
Yeah I also felt that, Armin just casually understanding eren's motives is what a lifelong friend of his would do
I completely agree. I just finished the manga and this conversation felt so human to me
My take we know the paths world time works different they were talking as kids all the way to adulthood so we can assume they talked that long for years or The founder eren showed kid armin everything and continued the story as he grew over the series course but would wipe his memories until after his death now armin sees theyve said everything theyd wanted to say already he just couldn't remember it.
Bllsht excuse. Casuals defending poor writting are fckng hilarious
This series will continues to be talk over the years and still will be remembered for the next generation. Aot is definitely a modern classic
Indeed, I still love it even after the additional pages.
Lmao fuck no
@@p4nther521 Oh, look. The toxic hater that chooses to forget about literally EVERYTHING positive about the series because he didn’t like that Eren wasn’t able to complete the Rumbling.
@@p4nther521 literally a demon slayer fan
@@smbxxer so
I think it's beautiful that Eren was seeking out freedom only to be a slave to fate
I think that's misinterpretation. He wasn't literally a slave to fate. He did his own decisions which the cruel world forced him to do to save his own people.
I think it's really bad writing
@@JATARO9 How? Are you not allowed to have irony in a story
@@JATARO9 I don’t know why people are afraid to call this chapter garbage when it was. Normally I’m doing a 180 after a mark vid but not this time 😀 there were so many unanswered questions and so much more dialogue that should’ve been added 😭 hell I could’ve written a better spaced out ending than this.
@@SlimKP94 so basically forced to do the things that fate showed him to achieve his goal?
I personally found the Ending anti-climatic and incredible short.
both reasons because of the pacing. Phenomenal concept, ideas, foreshadowing and themes, but executed really badly. I really hope it's extended more in the anime, I too found it too short and abrupt.
"Mass genocide never works until it does."
-AoT ending.
No. That’s one of the many messages the bombing of Shinganshina tells us.
Whole show is about don't half ass things. Don't kill 80% kill all besides your people. Easy, peasy lemon squezy. Half assed things only bring suffering. Like the eldians that got fucked b after 70or so years after erens death. And now another dude is gonna get all the titan powers. Lmao the whole show just flopped
It didn't work. Even if you put all the racists like Floch and the Jaegerists on an island by themselves with no Marleyans or titans they would still find other ways to divide each other and fight. In the end Paradis still fell to war.
@@orhanozkan7358 What?
@@TequilaToothpick Dont you know of extra pages ? Eldians gets bbombed hiroshima style when mikasa is like 80 years old. And we see a little kid go into the same tree that ymir went in
Tbh I loved the scene with Eren talking about Mikasa... It feels earned, he knows he's gonna die soon, and he just lets it loose... I loved it and felt so sad about his situation 😭
And it's a good reminder that, under all that calculated evil, Eren never really changed. He's been a lame weirdo from the beginning, he just had to act the way he did in order to play out the future how it had to go.
@@vsGoliath96 I wouldn't say he's anything close to a lame weirdo... Is it so weird to love someone? Is it so weird to do everything so that the people you love can live better lives? I think a lot of people forget that at the end of the day, he's human.
@@blocky_legend3132 Armin literally calls him lame for his reaction and I say weirdo because he's a psychopath who tried to destroy literally all life on Earth.
Would lame genocidal maniac work better for you?
@@vsGoliath96 Still wouldn't even consider him lame tbh...
It sounds good on paper, but the delivery of it was a little goofy in my opinion, but what do I know?