Triumph Scrambler 1200 vs. BMW R nineT Scrambler | Complete Review
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2019
- The 2019 Triumph Scrambler 1200 is one of the most anticipated motorcycles in the new-retro segment: 21 inches front-wheel, long travel suspension and classic looks. But is it better than BMW’s R nineT Scrambler? That’s what we wanted to find out, so we made a complete review: city use, highway, curvy roads and a bit of off-road.
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The BMW exhaust sounds like perfection. Best I have ever heard.
I’ve had an R80GS, an R100GS and a Triumph Tiger Trail. All bikes had loads of character. The BMWs both had shaft drive which is a deal winner for me.
You have the best reviews in the business. I watch every video. You chose interesting bikes and are able to go into great depth.
That intro is amazing haha well done!
As always good review of those bike. Always enjoying your vidéos. Thank you
I just did the TET in Italy on an XC scrambler with no issues. Yes, it's not a Husky 701, but it's pretty capable. It's got the same suspension travel as a KTM 790 (non R version) and as the Tenere 700, so what do you mean it can't go offroad? It can! Much more than the stiff 120mm on the Rnine-T if anything. It can do anything a GS can do, except huge luggage boxes. It's a scrambler, it's not an old man's GS with the wind protection and luggage capacity of a small car :)
Thanks for the video. The hot exhaust issue would be a real problem for me. I'm surprised that there are no aftermarket exhaust guards available.
Great review guys, enjoyed that 😁
Pretty balanced review although I agree with some of the comments below that the Triumph is probably more capable off-road than you give it credit for here. Some knobblies and time adjusting the suspension to suit might help although I appreciate that may then detract from it being an all-rounder.
I think the R9T Scrambler is pure marketing. The original R9T Roadster has forks off the S1000R I believe and it makes a great road bike. Fantastically planted and you can enjoy that air-cooled boxer to the max. It's the pick of the R9T range in my book.
"SCRAMBLER" IS NOW JUST A BUZZ WORD, unless like the Triumph it truly does off road well. I demoed a Nine T "Scrambler" which was fabulous but I would never off road it, the Triumph YES
Rest in peace Cristian. Sad we will never get more reviews and content from these guys.
Why what happened?
Scrambler 1200 did really well in the Baja 1000 race. Sad that you guys want to clasify it as not off-road capable just because of looks. I bet this will smoke many of the big adventure bikes off-road.
maans le roux The XC they reviewed here would not smoke a REAL adventure bike, get REAL! The XE MAY have a chance....
They reviewed the street oriented one. Not the xe
@@andrewd7586 I ride my XC on serious dirt in California... Much better than the GS, Africa or Tenere. It incredibly capable, agile, fast and balanced (with Motoz Rallz tires) and not much different from the XE. These guys were obviously scared of damaging the bikes in the dirt...
WishYouWereHere Good to know!!!👍🏻😎
@@stopper90004 Hit the nail on the head. These guys are total pussies. You can see that in the way they try to ride across a grass field !!!!
Great review! It tickles me when Christian is forced to pick something other than a BMW as the winner...
fair and honest review of both bikes.
it’s now 2023, a new review of both bikes would be good.
Why don't you review the Desert Sled and tell us what you think about it? I know it's not in the same power class, but a Desert Sled vs 1200 XE comparison still sounds much more fun than this.
Great video gentlemen! 👍
11:25 I don't understand why the Triumph takes time for the revs to go back to idle after you rev the engine... it reminds me of my knackered old Honda CB250N Superdream 🤣 The BMW behaves exactly as an engine should when you rev the engine, at 10:49 for example.
Trying to decide between the triumph scrambler 1200 and the Ducati desert sled....your thoughts ?
If you wanted to REALLY assess the offroad capabilities of the Triumph Scrambler 1200, perhaps you should have tested the XE version. To a casual observer it looks as though you never intended to fairly evaluate this bike.
We didn't have the option to choose it. This was the only one available. Otherwise, we'd come out with a dedicated off-road review.
Can you guys pls compare the speed twin and rnine T pure ?
Zard Exhaust can solve the heat issue. However, it won't look like a scrambler anymore...but it opens up more options for luggage.
The Zard cat removing head pipe solves the issue while leaving the original look in place. It is the catalytic converter that cooks your leg.
I appreciate your brutal honesty LOL
you say you should not take the triumph offroad, but l have seen dozens of videos online of the xc going very well on some pretty rough tracks, it has 200mm travel, the same as many adventure bikes and more than some, and it weigh less than the Africa twin and bmw f 850 .
Greg bristowe It can go off-road, but not very well. Although it comes with 200 mm travel, the damping has a street set-up. Also, when standing on it, your right leg is pushing against the hot exhaust - not so comfortable. Of course, you can do it but it doesn't feel like a Tiger 800 or as an Africa Twin
Greg bristowe the Triumph scrambler just finished mexican 1000 in 6 place 💪👍
yes l saw that, it was actually 5th, it was the xe model the same bike but with 50mm extra suspension travel.
@@DriveMagRiders and back in the day the Triumph 650 bonniville TTwas the choice of the day for completion scrambles only to be match with the all new of the day with a new bike we had never heard of called a "Husky 250 " the two stroke game changer ...and so quickly we forget who it was to first invent adventure bikes back in the 1980's with the Paris / Dakar BMW
Hey guys in terms of comfort on rough pavement, would you say the XC offers a more comfortable ride than the XE? I have an XE and I dearly miss the comfort of my Africa Twins’ suspensions...
Speedytrip hi, I also have an XE and I think the suspension is 2nd to none. Have you fully adjusted the suspension? It took me a very long time to dial it in but after doing so, i can say it is absolutely amazing. Forget what it is set at from the factory as both my rear shocks were set differently. Read the owners manual if you haven’t already and reset them according to your weight and riding style and you should be much happier after! Cheers, hope this helps!
XE is great off-road although the tyres could use an upgrade over the standard Metzlers. I’ve ridden mine on some much rougher stuff than who you guys rode.
Mark Brown Whaaaat? What’s better than Metzeler? They were always one of the best tires.
The Metzlers were good, it just needs something with a bit more of an off road profile.
Triumph just became more premium than Bmw and Christian slowly dies inside. 😂
They need to offer an XE model stripped of electronics except abs, with analog gauges, watch that thing sell like crazy.
I think the Triumph is better (brakes, suspensión, electrónics) but is has a problem: the exhausts. At least in Spain, that is not a problem, it’s a pain.
If the suspensions are road oriented, can you set them to off road un order to try?
Good vídeo.
Very good 👍 review
I’ve watched every single RUclips video, in 3 languages to help me decide if the scramblers XC /XE are good all around bikes with descent off-road capability’s regardless of the 50mm suspension difference. The videos were all positive... except for this review. I was really leaning towards the XC for the perfect all around good looking bike. Now I’m second guessing!
I have a Triumph Scrambler 900 and the exhaust heat only get really uncomfortable when your are stopped in traffic in temperatures over 30c. If the bike is under movement, even slow speeds, it doesn't really bother me. Now, I heard the 1200 Scrambler has moved the catalytic conversor to the back of the exhaust pipe and I was wondering if that would help reduce the heat a bit. From what I see in your review it looks like that didn't help, or maybe the size of this engine kills the benefit.
The cat is behind the front heat shield. Look up "Triumph 1200 scrambler de-cat" vids on RUclips.
@@Larry_Mott Very true, thanks for pointing that out. So it sits exactly in the same place as the 900 scrambler. Well, then removing should definable help reducing the heat.
Can you guys please do another big adventure bike shootout now that the R1250GS is out?
There's something related coming next week.
Lol,"don't go offroad with this bikes" but you go with monsters of +270 kg😂😂😂
Nice review! Agree on the heat being bothersome now it is 25° c + on the Triumph (which i own) Also, you should try the Puig windshield on the Triumph, it makes a world of difference!
In a perfect world i would raise the footpegs about an inch and do a de-cat, which i feel would lower the temp of the exhaust.
Every bike with a 1200 engine makes heat...
@@GalambaPortugal No shit Sherlock.. It's just that on my 1200 Bandit i had before the Triumph the heat was a non issue
@@Larry_Mott yes Watson! The so called heat issue is only a issue for some riders! I ride since 1995! Lots of bikes with the same or more heat than the Triumph! I live in Portugal and the weather is warm and no one says its an issue! I wonder if the guys in Triumph are so narrow minded to put bikes with heating problems in the he market! After years of studies...
@@Larry_Mott plus... I own a Tiger 1200 and the heat is perfectly normal! But if it upsets you... Maybe you should consider changing the bike...
@@GalambaPortugal scrambler xe is different as all triumph scramblers - they really burn your leg in town. i have XE version and dont like to ride it in busy hours in town.
the exhaust is placed on scary place for the triumph, no? it will not burn your feet?
Confronting a chain drive final transmission with a drive shaft one, my choice would be always the R nineT all the time👌
I liked the look of these bikes, but if you can only have one bike I opted for the F750GS. Nice review as usual Gentlemen.
Throw some exhaust wrap on the Triumph and call it the winner. 😉
I’m still lusting after the GS version of the R9T and the Ducati Desert Sled.
You really need to cut that catalytic converter out of it. Gov't should have never mandated those goddamn things on motorcycles.
Even better, try the de-cat kits on the market! Completely gets rid of all the heat
thanx guys,put me off both of them
how tall are the riders ? both bike has tall seat height
1.80m and 1.74m. The Triumph is taller than the BMW
about heat，I recommend your guys take try the Ducati. The pure sunny side up.
These guys are awesome 😎
Thanks for addressing the exhaust heat issue on the Triumph. Other reviewers conveniently overlooked it.
It's nothing special... Could anyone think a bike like this had a issue with relevance and still go to the market?! Other people said the same about other models from Triumph... I have a Tiger 1200 i live in Portugal and we have a warm weather and there is nothing special about the heat in the bike! Other bikes produce heat too... It's perfectly normal!
I ride an XC in Los Angeles in 32 degrees and think it is a very real problem, especially in city traffic, if you do not have tall, thick, riding boots (Sidi Adv or motocross boots) and heat deflecting material (I have to line my right trouser leg with fire-proof material to deflect the heat!). I have ordered a Free Spirits H-Pipe header to replace the original catalytic converter header... that should reduce the heat by about 50%, which I am told makes it bearable in normal clothing. So assume you will need to invest about $600 in parts and labor to solve the problem. It's not a big deal in that sense, and the bike is insanely fun to ride, so it is extremely worthwhile.
The BMW is a coffee shop bike, while the Triumph can really hold its own on the trails. The complaints about the exhaust are just dramaqueen worthy, the Triumph is way more nimble and controlable, it’s light and has 200mm suspension travel. The Bmw is just meh in pretty much any category of this comparison. You guys just droll over that Bmw like it’s something exotic, but just...just look at them side by side.
The only good thing about this video is that it’s shot in my beautiful hometown Brasov. That I like
What is the location at 13:29?
Busteni (Romania) and Zabola Castle.
Besides the fact that I want to cut my leg off, it's ok for the city :)
Compare Indian FTR and Ducati scrambler desert sled, BMW t9 triumph scrambler
I’d like you to compare the Ducati desert sled v Yamaha Ténéré 700
For me, the R Nine T's tank is too long and the seating position is too far back. Only a small amount but i think it effects the look and the riding position. Seems they have designed the riders seating and the tank around the mechanical parts. It's not bad but it just seems a little off for me. Still a nice bike and I wouldn't say "No" to owning it.
One of these triumph 1200 xe scramblers, recently completed the baja 1000,and you say don't take it off road.
and took 5th place !
But this is the XC.... road orientated scrambler.
Yes it is the xc which is practily the same as the xe , just 50mm less suspension travel which is the same as many adventure bike like the bmw gs and very close to the africa twin and lots of people take these offroad in some quite rough conditions
@@gregbristowe3057 Review(ers) are what they are.. I have seen lots of videos where the XC does some really gnarly terrrain. DriveMag Riders seem a bit like me, gravel roads are the roughest it will ever see.
I can't be arsed to dial in the suspension settings for offroad since they work so well for road, and again - i never drive on anything rougher than gravel roads anyway :)
struggle to see what the point of these bikes are then? guess you might as well get an adv bike or a dual sport.
Sorry guys, but when I see you stand on the bikes, it is clear that the bikes for you are just for the road. You should only test Scrambler if you can also drive off-road :)
guys, there no Starbucks in the bushes...
Man… I made my decision and went for the R Nine T. The bike is awesome to ride. I’m not having any second thoughts about it. I’m really happy with my decision. But somehow I’m getting hunted by the Triumph…it keeps on appearing in my dreams at night 😮 I wonder what’s going on inside my poor head. Can’t explain it by logic and can’t explain it by reason. And I only rode it once, like the BMW but I remember well that the bmw won my heart because of the brutal force of the engine and deeper exhaust note sound. So, wtf is wrong here ?😅😅
I feel the same Brito!! I agree 100
@@michaelj.kastner5165 yes? So do you have an answer to my quandrom? Thanks for your comment 😂😂😂
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Exhaust note means the BMW wins every time for me!
Tried the new Ducati Desert Sled guys?!
No, unfortunately we don't have a Ducati Press Fleet.
Thank you for another spot on review where you thoroughly contemplated each issue and the real world importance of each. I also can’t possibly commute with a motorcycle with heat issues especially considering the climate I commute in. The BMW is in my opinion the best looking and has the most character, but after riding it I can confirm that it is not at all suitable for leaving the city. If you’re a smaller person the BMW does however offer plenty of tinkering options to remake it for your intended purpose, within limits depending on how much you end up spending on remaking it obviously. The Triumph does offer the best value for money and the best engine sound but is not at all suitable as a commuter and even though better than the BMW outside of town, not intended for anything more than a Sunday morning breakfast run. If you’re realistic in your use, and all you do is the odd breakfast run, the Triumph is very good choice. The BMW is the ultimate hipster retro urban warrior weapon, if that sounds more like you.
Breakfast in Mexico 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Strange actually, I've tried the Speed Twin and I am a RnineT Pure owner and the turningcircle on the BMW is much better. And the BMW engine is much (yes, much) smoother than the triumph. Better tuned fueling. So I find it strange that you find it is the opposite around with these two. Well done guys!
We'll test the Speed Twin in a couple of days. Very curious about it
Ive never rode a smooth boxer. Maybe you got a good one.
I own a 2019 Speed Twin and have ridden R9Ts and agree with you. I really like the Triumph but the BMW is probably the better bike.
You should have put DOT rated off-road knobbie tires on both bikes for your eview.
The r nine t seems more of a commuter/ fun bike whereas the xc is more of an adventure bike.
Great review guys. Some people are butt hurt cause they don’t understand your reviewing the Xc and not the XE . Lots of idiots on the inter webs. And really perfect putting it up against the r9t scrambler. Keep up the good work.!your reviews are different then everyone else’s . It has charm. I’d say lose the cheesy music but stay you. Look forward to more videos
Exactly lot of idiots that are jealous I enjoy watching alot of these videos
Triumph Speed Twin vs Ducati Scrambler 1100 Sport
Didn’t the boys have the XC not the XE which is the more off road oriented scrambler????? The XE is dedicated to off road unlike the XC.
The BMW scrambler is purrrrfect for me
Its Nice. Both BMW and Triumph are trying to sell more. But, use these motorcycles offroad...... hummmmmm..... I don't think so.
I dont know guys...But I think that this bikes are better offroaders that behemoths like the 1250 gsa for example.
Christian I am like you. I can’t get the boxer out of my blood. It’s ingrained in my DNA. At least BMW is! No one can tell me you couldn’t take a S1000RR off road!🤪🤪🤪🤣 Having said that I do have 2 Triumphs which I “like”.🤣
Good review - all have been warned to stay on the road with these “scramblers”. These bikes probably best for local and day rides, not long journeys.
Much prefer the r9t
I've owned an R-Nine T Scrambler and currently own a Scrambler XC.
In the UK the R-Nine T Scrambler Sport is only a £50 saving over the XC and the one thing you get on the BMW in this spec that you don't get on the Triumph is heated grips. But what you do get included on the Triumph as standard and not even available as a cost option on the BMW is cruise control, Brembo M50 calipers, keyless ignition, five rider modes (including off road), LED headlamp, 10,000miles (16,000km) service schedules, TFT Dashboard, under seat USB port etc Don't forget that the standard suspension on the Triumph is tunable to rider style/weight and more than capable for mild off road use, whereas the BMW's suspension as standard is only fit for the bin !
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a BMW hater. I love my R1200 GS LC but please credit where it is due. The BMW has just had its arse kicked BIG time and I have no doubt that an Arrow 2-1 decat exhaust system will be winging it's way in to the shops very soon to cancel out those few peeps who moan about their right leg getting hot
PS Good Review
I ve owned 2 Honda Xr650L one standard 21"/18" tyre one Motard 17"/17" settled all road conditions..n very cheap maintenance. Just sharing
Same! I have an r1150 GSA and an XE. The heat was an issue until I removed the catalytic converter and the heat completely disappeared! Highly recommended! Love both bikes but the XE is absolutely incredible
Get the BMX with some more aggressive off road tyres. My R80GS was the better tourer, general purpose bike with shaft drive. Triumph Tiger Trail 750 was much better off road.
You will soon have a call from B*W headquarters for 6:27min
Revzilla guys compared triumph scrambler and Africa twin. Triump scrambler won
How long it took, till your 9T gets stolen in Romania? ;)
Triumph looks alot better.
That exaust desin on the Triumph is plain stupid. The least thing you want to deal in trafic is that. The Yrumpet looks great but with that pipe and the overall classic old look it makes me feel like 65+😂
Boooring review ever for those bikes
These cost way too much money to thrash off-road. They're beautiful, but not work horses.
Well, that's gotta be a new record. Took less than 2 seconds to give it a thumbs down. What a stupid question, "would you take this bike off road", what planet is that guy living on ? Did he live his brains home, seriously. For Pete's sake.
this jokers have never ridden off road! , just by looking at them sitting you can tell,rule 1 offroad.. stand on those pegs!!!
jordan cabaud you’ve clearly never seen these guys on their other reviews.
They were terrified of dropping such expensive loaner bikes, even though they are both very experienced riders. The Triumph can definitely handle quite rough fire roads/non-technical trails.
Correct compaired to my real off reader these are shit off road and I really like the beemer
Triumph scrambler vs 1200gs
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Nice test guys but you forgot to tell that general aspect is the most important feature, these bikes are bought for everything but practical reasons, so here, on this aspect (plus confidence of course) bmw wins. Don't try to compare the selling figures... Add desert sled wich is even better offroad and you'll see even smaller sales...
Remove the cat on the Triumph. Easy fix... no more heat. 👍🇬🇧
I have manage with easy to drove on my BMW k1600gtl to Far De Calanans in Catalonia. It's not about bike it mostly about bikers and in my case my parter in trip where she know how to behave at the back and help me balance bike or not interrupt in my actions. This days we got on the road more pussy cats than bikers and company create more silly bikes than ever to make more income instead of building more quality bikes.
Get it de-catted, or free spirits de cat...problem solved...
If a bike burns my leg when city riding, it gets an instant Fail in my book. You Can't have a bike that can't go slow...
Maybe your skill wasn’t good enough to enjoy the vehicle off-road
bmw
Both are poser bikes not meant to be ridden off road. The same goes for every high dollar big bore "enduro" bike, they cost too much and are too heavy to take seriously when riding in real off road situations. Someone might make a big thumping single that gets closer to a usable dirt/pavement bike, but I want a street/road bike or a dirt bike, the two just don't mix. If you want to hit some jumps, take your dirt bike, if you want to tour and carve some twisties, take a bike with street tires.
I think it depends on what you cathegorize as "off road". No, they aren't Honda CR 450''s but plenty of videos on RUclips featuring the Triumph ridden off (tarmac) road, through water streams and going round MX track in Portugal at official launch. Yes, they had different tyres, but "poser bikes" they're not IMO.
Imparate a guidare !!!!
I wouldn’t buy either bike with the intention of taking it off road. I wouldn’t buy either bike period.
the BMW is better off road...it's more like a tractor...
so, get a drz400 for real off road. get the rest of the cash buy a set of sm wheels and zx6 or cbr600r or a gsxr750 and go for a spin. and you still have cash to buy a nice cuppa tea... and then youll be riding the real deal...
Learn how to ride off-road before giving a review...
Watch other videos they ride off road.
They can ride
Scramblers that don't scramble
Steve Maybe relabel them UNscrambleR??....🤣
I wonder... Every time a Triumph and a BMW are in line... This guys always choose the german (chinese) one... For real?!
Miguel. Did you really watched the review? Who's the winner?
@@DriveMagRiders Triumph scrambler just finish mexican 1000 in 6 place 💪
I can never quite understand why people watch these reviews done by people that don't even own the bikes and talk utter horse shit. Bikes are individual, made by a manufacturer for a certain buyer, a buyer that knows what they want and a buyer that buys a bike, because it's suits them and does what the MANUFACTURER says it will do. These reviews mean nothing, in fact all they do is offer 2 guys the opportunity to ride bikes every day, talking utter garbage and try and convince YOU, that the bike they say WINS (and what does that even mean) is the bike you should buy, not just go and test ride them yourself and choose the one YOU like the most. Apologies, i don't mean to be a PIG about this, but come on guys, tell us the specs, ride the hell out of them for a week and give us an informed opinion, not a WINNER, what does that even mean.
These guys put tons of miles on various bikes. Older gentleman was killed while riding his r1200gs
best "pretend" hipster scrambler? Neither. Save some serious money and buy the prettier, lighter, more versatile and fun Yamaha XSR 700 Tribute.
i have a 2021 pure and i love it¡¡¡¡¡