Question for the comments: Is Arc at a point now where you would buy a card? Do you own one already? Huge thanks to our viewer who requested this content piece! Let us know what else you all want us to test or look into next! Watch our original bug round-up: ruclips.net/video/MjYSeT-T5uk/видео.html Watch our A580 review (with tests on relatively new drivers): ruclips.net/video/FT2yk9PL-t8/видео.html
Absolutely, the problem is I have better hardware already, if they drop something new and it is actually an improvement over what I have, I will give them a shot.
How I know Intel ARC matters...I recently had patch notes for a major game include "improvements for Intel ARC"...this is the kind of stuff that matters and proves you are on the right track.
@@GamersNexus I saw an update to Satisfactory where they added XeSS in a recent patch of their experimental branch (game is still early access). Would be cool to see the implementation in this game!
I was an early adopter of the Ark A750, two weeks after market release. As well detailed in video, for the first two months the bulk of issues were with the control software, which I deleted straight away after each driver update. With a clean driver only install, the A750 has performed well since the beginning. And Intel's commitment to driver updates has been terrific. No regrets. Runs Baldur's Gate 3 like a champ. Looking forward to Battlemage series!
I'm sure a few of the oddities I have on either system I've been using could be resolved if I just installed drivers and nothing else. Like Nvidia experience or AMD's Adrenaline software.
sure does solve alot, been using nvcleanstall to install driver only for years since I don't use any geforce experience features and have only had 1 driver issue since with youtube videos that was quickly fixed in the last 7 years lol.@@ArtisChronicles
It's not hard when it was so bad to begin with. That being said, it's still too far behind in several games to be worth it to me. I really wanted to get one but too much to pay for a broken card. Maybe next gen...
@@farmeunitwill yeah that was to be expected the only graphics knowledge they started it with is with Igpu’s which is better then nothing and they only could get so much data from within the company they needed to release it to the public to really get it better
@@farmeunitit was bad but I would argue it’s not “easy” to improve it the way they did. They could have simply abandoned it and spent their money and time elsewhere. We need a strong third competitor in the market to keep Nvidia and AMD pricing under control. I think this is a good first step … it’s by no means great, but they’ve proved they will support their products. I’m used to Intel being the company we all hate on … in this case they are the underdog and I’m rooting for them to succeed.
@@blackbirdpctech I want them to succeed, as well, but they said it would be 3070 performance. Some games it's barely 3050. I am just saying, don't lie or overhype it. It's just simply not a good option. I would have even bought one and was really close but not when priced higher than the AMD card that beats in in every aspect.
it really does show how difficult it is for a new player to enter the game when even a giant company like Intel struggles so much with it, especially since they've been doing integrated graphics for years anyway.
It also could be just a case of Intel having rested on their laurels too long, considering they seem to have been completely blindsided by AMDs new CPUs. And somehow managed to find the roles reversed with AMD having the more power efficient CPUs and Intel CPUs just throwing power draw at the problem to get comparable performance.
Definitely an eye opener and one that puts Moore Threads challenges into even greater perspective. I really hope China can do some good work with that GPU. More competition the better!
@@GodzThirdLeg Ummm think again. I thought exactly that as well. Until I found someone discussing.. that now, both companies are overclocking/pre-clocking their processors wayy beyond optimal clocks,.. overvolting them as well in doing so. Thus amd's "oh processor is running at 95°c, its designed to do so" somewhat true in amd's case. And Intel abusing the clocks beyond the optimal efficiency even more so. But the guy "Tech Yes City" I think, has demonstrated that.. both Intel and Amd average around the same efficiency when undervolted a teensy bit, almost without losing performance.
This card needs to exist. Nvidia and AMD graphics cards have the market cornered. They are taking advantage of this by charging too much. Intel could really shake them up if they have the courage to continue with these cards.
What makes you think Intel would be any better? Given Intel's history with CPU pricing, if they become a competitor they would also join in on exploiting demand.
@@viet0ne Exactly. Intel is only cheaper because they're the underdog and they need to entice people to actually buy their products. They're playing catch-up when they've just been lapped and haven't even gotten off the starting line. If they get any sizeable market share, expect them to charge what the competition is charging because, just like AMD and NVIDIA, they will be able to get away with it.
If anything, Nvidia is, yes, but I paid 200 for an 8GB gpu from amd, which is cheaper than the same from intel, so they arent the small comapny, they are the monopoly that amd came to fix.
@@viet0ne More choices should be better for consumers and for the the advancement of the technology itself. 3 companies chasing market share should = at least some slow down of the price increases.
If Intel are still listening, Hear us when we say, Intel Arc sucks and has since Day 1. If thousands of consumers are gonna be your alpha and beta testers, you could have at least sold them the graphics cards 'at cost'.
@@garyb7193ofc they will suck ...its their first after all, look at AMD, their sofwares were dogshits and uncompatible with ppl works many times, took them years to fix it. Everyone gonna be alpha and beta test at some point
@@garyb7193 Wtf are you on? We say lol speak for yourself. Do you not see that their basically giving these cards away? and what new piece of tech/game does not have any alpha/beta testers in its early stages? Its called improving each reiteration until its stable, The first NShidia cards and AMD cards faced the same dilemma Einstein.
I wonder how much of the A770 16GB has gone to people for inference. It's certainly a lot nicer than the 800+ bucks everyone else wants for 16GB, and there's a lot of performance left on the table. Also, I'm pretty sure most of the optimization works across their entire product stack, from iGPU to Ponte Vecchio.
Thank you so much for doing another video on the Intel Arc series. I've been an A770 LE user from day one. It's been rough but the recent improvements make it all worth it for the most part. Can you please continue to include the A770 (I know it can't be bought new anymore) in your tests when you test the A750 or any next gen Battlemage cards? 😉
15:14 Correction: Initially, they used a DX9-11-to-DX12 translation layer at launch, but due to unsatisfactory results, they later switched to DXVK-a DX9-11-to-Vulkan translation layer developed by Valve for the Linux platform. This allows Windows titles to run on Linux platforms using Proton (Wine) and also enables the utilization of DX9-11 backends for native Linux ports.
The Linux D3D8 and D3D9 wrappers are just more optimized than Intel's was, same idea but why re invent the wheel when an excellent performing and highly compatible wrapper already existed. The D3D 8 and 9 performance boost in windows came when Intel ditched their own wrapper and baked the linux wrapper into their Windows drivers. The ironic thing is that wrappers often work better than native DirectX 8 and 9 on current windows because MS has stopped maintaining it and a lot of older games perform badly with it or are just outright broken.
I am so thankful for valve. Linux gaming would be so much less of a reality without them, and to be honest it doesn’t feel like they really *had* to pick Linux - they could’ve just went with mobile windows for the steam deck for example. So awesome that they’re willing to put in the effort.
@@Bvngeeif you think about it, if they went with Windows they'd have to pay more and increase prices for windows licensing. It was probably a business decision, but definitely one I support and am very thankful for.
I dont regret buying an Arc A770 pretty early. It was quite the journey but it actually sparked my interest and i learned a lot more about how drivers work and how to analyse and fix issues. By now it is running smooth. A Clean driver install every now and then is all i have to do but i did that with amd and Nvidia cards before aswell. Lets Hope they keep up with it. They certainly showed that they listen and work a lot to improve... That they care. And i like that thought
Really hope Intel continues to improve Arc because it’s has some serious potential and more competition in the market is always better for the consumer.
The funny thing is no one really knows and won't know how truly capable the Arc Alchemist architecture is. As explained to me, a few bugs in the arch design is holding the rest of it back, which also leads to no one really knowing how fast these would be without these bugs.
Considering Intel is only barely matching the perf/$ value of the RX 6600 and RX 6650XT, and thus giving their users zero discount for the "a little less than stellar" driver situation.... what makes you think Intel won't "quality signal" with the price as soon as they get even half way competitive on the driver side?
@@andersjjensen I imagine that they are not able to go much lower based on actual manufacturing cost. The die used for the a 770 is much larger than 6650 XT. At the $200 price, they are probably on the verge of losing money once you factor in distribution and retail mark ups. Hopefully, BattleMage will be good enough to justify the cost, and actually a profit margin that makes it worth doing business in the GPU market. Nvidia’s over here making 400% mark ups on the material costs of their founders cards, if Intel could get by on 50% and keep the doors open, we’d all be very much better off.
@@ryanspencer6778 Except the 7900XTX has sold pretty well according to retailers who publish their data. The 6900XT didn't sell well in it's hay-day because it was significantly more expensive than the 6800XT while only being 11% faster, and not offering anything over Nvidia in terms of price to performance. But the 7900XTX was instantly a good buy to anyone who values raster the most. As fast in raster as the 4080, $200 cheaper and with 8GB more VRAM was generally received as a straight deal. The 7900XT, on the other hand, got itself review-day bombed because it was 90% the price for 80% the performance. But how where it's 75% the price for 80% the performance it seems to be moving.
@@someusername121 didn't they attempt something similar in the past? So it sort of wasn't their first run at it any way you slice it. Difference is this is being publicly sold while the other project wasn't.
That's far from the truth. Yes, it's based on their integrated graphics architecture, but only in the way that Nvidia's Ada is based on Ampere, Turing, or Pascal. It's a different architecture, certainly not just take away the CPU cores. That's what DG1 was.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf They are unlikely to dethrone Nvidia, as long as Nvidia chooses to stay in the consumer GPU market. Intel, more than any other tech company, understands just how powerful being the dominant market leader is, since that has been their own position in the consumer CPU market since forever. Nvidia owns something like 80-85% of the consumer GPU market. And Nvidia is likely developing their own GPU technology faster than Intel is (or even can).
Great job, Intel ARC Drivers team listening to feedback and addressing so many issues. I purchased an A770 around launch with the hope that it would keep getting better and you haven’t disappointed. Finally at the point now where I can recommend these cards to friends looking for budget builds
I can get an Intel ARC 770 16gb for $200+ at Best Buy. Definitely will be picking one of these up. Any recommendation on a MOBO? I'll be using a 13th Gen I5.
@@tawsikabdullah I don't use A770, but using A750. And yeah, it works like a champ. It smoothly renders PTS, AI, PR and AE. The largest render I did after using Arc750 is 4K 60FPS 25 minutes long, and no problem. So yeah I recommend A750/770. Just remember that you have to update the intel driver, or it gonna be a disaster with stock driver.
@@acardenasjr1340 I recommend the Gigabyte Z790 UD, just notice that Gigabyte software is kinda ... sucks. It's not bad at the level that brick the PC or can not use, but sucks, but cheaper than Asus or MSI. My specs are: Gigabyte Z790 UD, Intel Arc 750, I5 13K, and 32GB DDR5.
I bought an ASROCK A770 last month doing a new build. 7800X3D, 670E Steel Dragon, 6000MHz Team T Force DDR5, 4TB WD SSD, 8TB HDD, Corsair 4000D with 4 fans and 850PSU bundle, with a Corsair 3fan rad for my CPU. Excited to build it when I get off work in 2 weeks. Board and cpu just got to my house today. First build in 10 years.
@@PixelatedWolf2077 I am on a gtx 1660TI laptop , waiting for battlemage to make my first PC build , and will get a CPU from AMD to support the competition on both GPU and CPU sides.
It's noticeable how much work Intel has been putting into Arc, and I commend them for it. I don't own one of their cards yet but will most likely be buying a Battlemage card when they come out, to upgrade from my 2070 Super.
I bought an A380 for my media server for video transcoding tasks. Works perfectly in that role, very happy with it. Would I buy one for gaming? Well, maybe not yet, but I'm definitely open to the idea in another generation or two if things continue to improve.
@@fluffy_unicorn859 Handbrake also support Intel quicksync, but I bet Serotaca doesn't talk about handbrake, but more likely Plex/Emby or Jellyfin hardware transcoding features. These help a lot to real-time transcode (for smaller bitrate) and stream video to users with slower internet connections, like mobile devices
@@fluffy_unicorn859All the Arc cards have the same media transcoding parts on them. There is minimal, if no benefit, from choosing an A750 over an A380 for that purpose alone.
Great video! I've been looking forward to periodic Intel ARC revisits from various tech media, especially GN. It has been very interesting watching the steady improvement across the past year with DX9 and DX11 optimizations as well as general stability. The fact that intel has demonstrated that they're willing to constantly improve the Alchemist GPUs is very encouraging for current users and the future.
I would love to see a detailed video on graphics card driver development! What is actually happening in the driver code to increase gaming performance? Show an example... What is the relationship between hardware, Microsoft DirectX, and the driver? Would be a really cool and educational video. Thanks for the considerations!
Really glad you decided to revisit this. It's interesting to see how intel is really doing with their long term goals against AMD and Nvidia. Thanks again, Steve!
This is such a great video. Thanks so much for following up! Tons of great info here - just interesting stuff for the geek in me that loves just hearing about hardware
Regarding the issues ARC still has with some older titles that run with DX-11 or 9, a usable workaround for those games is to run them via DXVK. It's a "translater" that basically makes those games run with the Vulkan API instead of DirectX. It was originally created to make it easier to run games on Linux but it has made its way over to windows ages ago.
I'm 53 owned a computer building Co in the 90's (8th largest us importer from tiawan ) have degrees in engineering and computer science and I have been programming since I was ten.. I kinda laugh because at first it was just like what Nvidia and and drivers used to be like. You had to carefully tweak and configure most games. Intel haD the same issue. But fixed them very quickly. No game in my hugged collection has trouble running and running well abd that's been the case since March!.. I thing those who only use these to test these don't understand the cards , I wonder if they removed the Nvidia drivers properly or have some other configuration problems because often my tests and benchmarks far outshine those from here! I remember getting literally twice the fps for God of war than the benchmark with the same hardware and driver version !
As it stands, Arc GPUs are already nipping at Nvidia's heels in terms of productivity suite (AV1 encoding on the cheap, QuickSync being pretty close to CUDA), so if they were able to get their gaming drivers up to snuff, and maintain their price point, they could take a LOT of market share. I bought an a750, and it's had its issues, but having access to AV1 encoding for $200, for my broke ass self doing some content on the side, has been an absolute godsend. Meanwhile, production wise, AMD is off in a corner, eating glue paste... All I'm saying is, Intel GPUs could bring the fight to Nvidia in a way that AMD either can't or won't, and I sincerely hope they succeed. I did my part in supporting their cause. I very much want to see what they bring out next.
my Asrock a380 has only gotten progressively better since I got it, but as stated in the video, I'm an enthusiast who has other GPUs and numerous systems to test the card in. Also back then it came with 3 free games.
Good to see the improvements Intel has been making. I've got a 770 LE in a secondary machine since last year and it's been awesome - very happy to support a third GPU vendor. Keep it up Intel!
Thing is of course that once they offer an actual competitive product in terms of hardware, drivers and support..... they will up the price accordingly.
@@GamersNexusWhen AMD was way behind Nvidia, that was the dream. That once AMD can compete with Nvidia, prices will go down, now AMD is price fixing just like Nvidia.
Steve from Intel here, I just want to say thank you for your in depth look back at ARC! We are already reviewing and implementing support tickets based on your feedback and recognize how valuable it is. We will compete even stronger with BattleMage!! We’ve listened and DX9 support will be enabled on future cards (/s)
The fact that Intel adopted the « Elon Musk way » of making this developement almost open and easy to understand for its new GPU lineup, is a great thing, imho.
Yeah have to add one thing here. Artic Liquid coolers are for sure among the best I've used. Great product! As a enthusiast myself I want intel to be extremely competitive. I'm sure we all here want this. lets hope it happens!
I am proud to say that I was an early adopter and have been testing their products on my channel for a year. Too many people just brushed it off, which is a huge shame. Intel arc success means a win for everyone
Hey Intel, just want to say something real quick: We're not all about tons of features. What we really want are GPUs that work well and don't break our bank accounts. No need to go overboard trying to beat the 3090's or 4090's. How about aiming to match up with something like the 3060s? That's the kind of stuff most of us are actually looking to buy.
Both the a750 and a770 are at 3060 to 3060 ti levels in most games that it has optimised drivers for so that's already done? The a770 can reach 3070 levels in some games but it depends. Battlemage will supposedly aim at 4080 performance levels so not 4090 either.
cannot agree any more. There is demand for top of the line stuff for sure, but there are also a TON of us who look for that 3060/4060 equivalent that just runs things fine in concert with processors that are also just fine. I'd guess it's a massive section of the market, and we get massively underserved and taken for granted during the new gen reveals. Middle-tier, reliable video cards will be insanely high demand in the coming years.
That's what they already do. And features are important. Features are what make your brand. Features are what makes Nvidia sell more than AMD. If they did an AMD and just focused on making a GPU that worked perfectly at raster, I don't think people would care as much about Arc. But XeSS and RT on the higher end cards is good. Not quite as good as Nvidia, but better than AMD, which will help them far more in the future than getting raster 10% better on the beta generation.
@ryanspencer6778 they kinda do but not at the same level. They need to fix somethings and keep the good work (like Gamer Nexus said in this video). if they deliver stable performance and stay competitive, then you can say that they did... I would love to recommend their cards, but when people ask for recommendations, then I have to say that 3060 is more reliable than Intel's...
@@ryanspencer6778 pc builders buy Nvidia because they consider it the default. AMD has had outright better performance, and they bought Nvidia. Nvidia has had scandals involving the very design of their cards, but gamers buy Nvidia. Nobody will dethrone Nvidia, ever.
A770 is doing well for me. That Halo update the other week was the only major issue I had left so glad that's solved. My only minor issue is that the drive auto update fails to work every other update (Check appears to timeout for ever until a manual update is done, then it works until and auto update happens and is then broken again until a manual update is done.) The does mean you can go several weeks without realising a driver update is out.
From a software development perspective, the fact that they focus on specific games isn't in itself a problem. There are 2 approaches that can be taken here: the good one is to use the specific games to reproduce certain issues or edge cases, and use that to fix or optimize the general driver. This way, fixes done in one game are likely to improve the compatibility and performance in multiple games. The bad approach is to simply detect what particular game is running, and do game specific optimizations. This wouldn't improve the drivers for any other game, it's a lot of wasted effort optimizing individual titles, and would add a lot of bloat to the drivers.
For their first gen of GPUs this is quite good result. Drivers are mostly fixed, and the architecture has probably a lot of space for further optimization (kinda like first gen ryzen). I'm really looking forward to their next gen release
I recently bought an Intel ARC A310 low-profile GPU for DaVinci Resolve 422 10bit HEVC footage and it has tremendously sped up editing and exporting. With my RTX 3090 and the Intel GPU in my 2nd 16x slot It has been literally trouble-free. Not the same to be said about AMD RX 6900 XT with the ARC GPU.... 10/10 For what it's worth it can do 120FPS in CS2 at 1080P low settings!
Awesome about the acceleration in Resolve! We're hoping to try something similar for our own video pipeline, although unfortunately we don't use DaVinci! Super helpful comment to share your Arc experience. Thanks for posting!
I'm on AMD 5700G for the moment with DaVinci till GPU are decent priced with AV1 hardware encoding. Would you recommend I buy the fastest arc I can afford? Or should I save up for Nvidia 30/40 series?
@@HaroldKuilman I bought my ASRock Intel ARC A310 from Amazon for $104 shipped to my door. It has been a phenomenal piece of equipment to say the least. From 20+ hour video edits down to 8 hours for 15 minute long videos. Simply because it doesn't pause or freeze anymore!
Been running an A770 since February and I honestly can't see myself going back to nVidia any time soon after being a customer of theirs for over 20 years.
Dropping the feature is actually a valid strategy to eliminate bugs. If the reward of having the feature is not worth the effort to fix the bugs it bring and upkeep it, simply dropping it does make sense. But anything has a limit. The long running meme is deleting the whole codebase to remove all bugs possible.
Great re review Steve. I’ve been tempted to buy an ARC GPU since launch and now there’s support for Adobe Premiere Pro, the only thing holding me back is that Battlemage is likely not that far off 😁 I don’t want to be stuck with a last gen ARC card. Will instead stick with my 6700XT for a little longer.
The impact of your videos here are interesting to see, it would seem you've essentially acted as a QA/test team for them. Numerous major issues fixed. Hopefully this contributes to intel arc becoming a real competitor.
I have the intel A770 for about a year and it has been great so far. The improvement since i got it has been amazing. Only issue i have now is Arc Control cant find the new drivers anymore and i have to go and download them manually
Hey Intel, if you're reading these comments, please know that we are rooting for you to achieve a competitive position. There's so much value to be gained from the process alone, your other offering will improve in ways you would never have forecast if not for your efforts on the Arc lineup. Excited to follow the continued development, keep up the effort, it will pay off in the end.
On my buy list is Epyc 7002 32cores++, MB, 256GB ECC RAM, Arc A380 for transcoding. And all of the components are going to be 2nd hand. This costs around 1000-1300€. Best option for cheap and efficient transcoding if you have no intel iGPU
Agreed. I hope Intel keeps up with their developments. The bit of loss for the next few years is worth it. I'd strongly consider something in the next generation if there was enough improvement.
I bought an A580 shortly after launch, when it went on a surprise sale on Newegg. I loved the card SO much that, as a show of support, I went on to buy an A770 to really play around with, and eventually an A750 and A380. I'm only one customer that makes a near-zero influence on their bottom line, but it's not zero, and I want to back my money on this product line along with others to let those who ultimately make the final calls know there is a hungry market here, ready to pay.
Early adopter here. I bought the A770 LE in December 2022 and had a wild ride! I played many games like Star Citizen, Hogwarts Legacy, and many more. Do I regret my purchase? Nope! I tested games and it is available in my channel.
I took a risk on the A770. There were random crashes for me at first and some screen tearing for Starcraft II, but with updates that hasnt happened in months. It's a damn sexy looking card too.
it does indeed show how difficult it is to put an (at first) unknown GPU onto this wide market. up until now i've been praising intel for their hard work, fixing major bugs, improving performance and stability and relative consistent driver updates over time. It is true dedication.
As we get closer to the end of the year, I get more excited to see the disappointment build. I can hardly wait. The build me in the background over the last few weeks has only added to my anticipation.
I can certainly understand AMD's perspective though. The way to grow their profits is to charge their existing consumer base more. Simply because they haven't gained any meaningful marketshare on the GPU side of things.
@@ArtisChronicles Well, this is the chicken and egg problem. You need low prices to gain marketshare, but you need high prices to remain profitable with your currently small marketshare. It really comes down to a policy decision. Do we go into marketshare gain mode and crash the prices for a while or do we stay in this limbo of 10% and try to scalp our current customers? It's a matter of executive decision. Short term planning vs long term planning.
Fun Fact, Intel Arc works WAY WAY WAY better on Linux than it does on Windows. You can use DX8/9/11 as Linux (Well WINE and Proton) use DXVK which will translate the DX calls to Vulkan. It's just sad that the big RUclips reviewers don't compare the Intel Arc cards (or really any GPU) on alternative operating systems. Which I can understand except that I can point that WIndows is only really about 60-70% of the desktop market share these days, with even Windows seeing a decline in the Steam Hardware Survey. Gamer's Nexus team, Please reach out to me if you want help in setting up a review system.
Not really. According to the most recent benchmarks done by phoronix fron 2-3 weeks ago at least, the Vulkan performance of the intel cards on linux lags waay behind windows and how the equivialent cards from nVidia and AMD perform on either OS. Maybe it'll improve once intel integrates their new kernel driver but for now the performance is sub par and you're much better off getting a AMD card if you are on Linux (or nVidia if you need CUDA or specific nvidia features and can live with driver jank) DXVK can however help the Arc cards on some dx9/10/11 titles on windows since the vulkan implementation works great there...
I went from a RX580 to a A770 and yes it was a rough ride to get to where we are now but over all i love this GPU best $300 CAD I ever spent. I also am part of a few game beta test for Indy devs due to the fact I own a A770 and one of few who have on in the community discord so i do a lot of testing to help the dev get it fixed and running on a Intel GPU.
Been daily driving the a380 since memorial weekend last year. The big November 2022 update fixed the biggest issues I had with it. I don't expect Intel to drop the arc line as it is replacing the integrated graphics starting with Meteor lake. In preparation for that launch it would be nice if you did a roundup on the integrated graphics for the last couple of generations of processors as a baseline. 12/13/14 gen, 5600g, amd 7x0m, the 7000 series integrated desktop graphics. Putting those against the a380, rx 6400, 3050, and the persistent nvidia 730s which are still sold all over the place.
@@GamersNexus saw it, but that was in combination with 30 series. I'm on a budget so I have to pick just one GPU with AV1 encoding 🤷♂️ I'm on 5700G Apu for the time being (planning to save up for an 5950X upgrade after the GPU)
The moment the more major issues mentionned in this video are fixed, imo, this could spell a general recommendation! And I really hope Battlemage delivers even more performance per dollar and make AMD and nVidia sweat bullets.
Agreed. I really want to see Intel focus on the core performance of its cards. The budget and mid range markets have a lot of opportunity for them to gain a foothold and develop some loyalty
I feel like owning Arc at this point is like dual booting Linux for the first time. Sometimes it works and is really cool, but you need something else in place for when you actually need to get work done and are finished playing with the new toy.
ARC doesn't show up in the Steam hardware survey. You're looking at total percentage users of each brand which includes every iGPU still in use. Edit: Xe users make up 1.41 percent of the market, that's technically ARC.
Watching alot of chanels on youtube. But image quality of yours, is the best for me. Sharpnes, light, colors... I don't know, what eqipment or what soft do you use, but your uniq combination of al of this is perfect!) Respect for video editing guy(or girl))
Intel ARC is the only GPU I have yet to buy, and am most excited to. It's one of those things where you know it isn't super powerful at the moment, but it still kicks ass either way. Easily a pick for me, knowing the disadvantages, still worth it!
The fact that a first gen card is this good is impressive, and they have been doing lots of stuff to make them good with video editing programs like Premiere (a constant complaint from me about AMD and the reason I can’t leave Nvidea yet). People forget or weren’t there to experience it back when stuff like this was the Wild West so to speak in the 90’s and 2000’s
Greetings from Bavaria Germany 👍🏻. Steve, you and the Team did a really Good Job this year! Hope you guys still do it the next years as well. I just would say THANKS to the complete Team!
Dosbox! Dosbox! Dosbox! I guess I'm the only person that will stand up for Dosbox, because I never hear anyone else mention that Dosbox quit working with Arc in Windows 10 since driver 4676. I really like my Intel Arc a750 a lot, but hope they fix the Dosbox problem or I'll have to switch back to my AMD card.
They're getting there! Though I've been wondering from the get-go why they weren't able to merge driver fixes for DX9 games that already had been in the Intel HD driver packages for years. They already had decades of experience building drivers for their integrated iGPs so it's interesting to me how they seemingly started from zero with their dedicated GPU solutions.
I bought an A750 over the summer and it’s been great for light 1080p gaming. You nailed it though, what got me was the idea of playing with something new and different
The nice thing with DSA is that it won't install updates on it's own, it'll just send you some notifications if you have updates. It at least works way better than AMD's solution, which just doesn't seem to notify you at all.
Question for the comments: Is Arc at a point now where you would buy a card? Do you own one already? Huge thanks to our viewer who requested this content piece! Let us know what else you all want us to test or look into next!
Watch our original bug round-up: ruclips.net/video/MjYSeT-T5uk/видео.html
Watch our A580 review (with tests on relatively new drivers): ruclips.net/video/FT2yk9PL-t8/видео.html
I would definitely want to buy one if only to try it out at this point as a secondary GPU.
If they become viable competition for Nvidia and AMD, I absolutely would get one. Even if I didn’t use it, I get one to help them.
I wouldn’t buy one yet, but I am very interested in the future of Arc.
I would rather wait for their 2nd gen, when that comes out I'll definitely consider it
Absolutely, the problem is I have better hardware already, if they drop something new and it is actually an improvement over what I have, I will give them a shot.
How I know Intel ARC matters...I recently had patch notes for a major game include "improvements for Intel ARC"...this is the kind of stuff that matters and proves you are on the right track.
Awesome to hear. What game was that?
@@GamersNexus Minesweeper
@@t1e6x12 bro is trolling :/
What game? It would be good to know and test.
@@GamersNexus I saw an update to Satisfactory where they added XeSS in a recent patch of their experimental branch (game is still early access). Would be cool to see the implementation in this game!
I was an early adopter of the Ark A750, two weeks after market release. As well detailed in video, for the first two months the bulk of issues were with the control software, which I deleted straight away after each driver update. With a clean driver only install, the A750 has performed well since the beginning. And Intel's commitment to driver updates has been terrific. No regrets. Runs Baldur's Gate 3 like a champ. Looking forward to Battlemage series!
Helps a ton to see real user commentary like this! Awesome to hear it's working out for you.
@@GamersNexushave one coming in soonish. Plan in using it predominantly for machine learning. Quite a journey for data scientists there.
I'm sure a few of the oddities I have on either system I've been using could be resolved if I just installed drivers and nothing else. Like Nvidia experience or AMD's Adrenaline software.
sure does solve alot, been using nvcleanstall to install driver only for years since I don't use any geforce experience features and have only had 1 driver issue since with youtube videos that was quickly fixed in the last 7 years lol.@@ArtisChronicles
What's your FPS avg on BG3?
As a software engineer, fixing a bug by simply removing the feature is so relatable 😂
[Run yeet.exe]
"It's fixed boss."
Morning coffee fix 😂
It’s pretty impressive how much they have been able to improve performance
It's not hard when it was so bad to begin with. That being said, it's still too far behind in several games to be worth it to me. I really wanted to get one but too much to pay for a broken card. Maybe next gen...
@@farmeunitwill yeah that was to be expected the only graphics knowledge they started it with is with Igpu’s which is better then nothing and they only could get so much data from within the company they needed to release it to the public to really get it better
@@farmeunitit was bad but I would argue it’s not “easy” to improve it the way they did. They could have simply abandoned it and spent their money and time elsewhere. We need a strong third competitor in the market to keep Nvidia and AMD pricing under control. I think this is a good first step … it’s by no means great, but they’ve proved they will support their products. I’m used to Intel being the company we all hate on … in this case they are the underdog and I’m rooting for them to succeed.
Would have loved to see a performance comparison to the launch driver.
@@blackbirdpctech I want them to succeed, as well, but they said it would be 3070 performance. Some games it's barely 3050. I am just saying, don't lie or overhype it. It's just simply not a good option. I would have even bought one and was really close but not when priced higher than the AMD card that beats in in every aspect.
it really does show how difficult it is for a new player to enter the game when even a giant company like Intel struggles so much with it, especially since they've been doing integrated graphics for years anyway.
It also could be just a case of Intel having rested on their laurels too long, considering they seem to have been completely blindsided by AMDs new CPUs. And somehow managed to find the roles reversed with AMD having the more power efficient CPUs and Intel CPUs just throwing power draw at the problem to get comparable performance.
Definitely an eye opener and one that puts Moore Threads challenges into even greater perspective. I really hope China can do some good work with that GPU. More competition the better!
@@GodzThirdLeg Ummm think again.
I thought exactly that as well.
Until I found someone discussing.. that now, both companies are overclocking/pre-clocking their processors wayy beyond optimal clocks,.. overvolting them as well in doing so.
Thus amd's "oh processor is running at 95°c, its designed to do so" somewhat true in amd's case.
And Intel abusing the clocks beyond the optimal efficiency even more so.
But the guy "Tech Yes City" I think, has demonstrated that.. both Intel and Amd average around the same efficiency when undervolted a teensy bit, almost without losing performance.
This card needs to exist. Nvidia and AMD graphics cards have the market cornered. They are taking advantage of this by charging too much. Intel could really shake them up if they have the courage to continue with these cards.
What makes you think Intel would be any better? Given Intel's history with CPU pricing, if they become a competitor they would also join in on exploiting demand.
@@viet0necouldn't have said it better these people treat intel like a small charity
@@viet0ne Exactly. Intel is only cheaper because they're the underdog and they need to entice people to actually buy their products. They're playing catch-up when they've just been lapped and haven't even gotten off the starting line. If they get any sizeable market share, expect them to charge what the competition is charging because, just like AMD and NVIDIA, they will be able to get away with it.
If anything, Nvidia is, yes, but I paid 200 for an 8GB gpu from amd, which is cheaper than the same from intel, so they arent the small comapny, they are the monopoly that amd came to fix.
@@viet0ne More choices should be better for consumers and for the the advancement of the technology itself. 3 companies chasing market share should = at least some slow down of the price increases.
The more competition the better. I hope they continue strong efforts.
No doubt. - Back in the day there war many GPU Companies (ie: 3Dfx, ATI, Trident, TSeng, Matrox, PowerVR Kyro, etc..)
Nice to see a company trying to improve and listening to consumers/reviewers!
If Intel are still listening, Hear us when we say, Intel Arc sucks and has since Day 1.
If thousands of consumers are gonna be your alpha and beta testers, you could have at least sold them the graphics cards 'at cost'.
@@garyb7193I think everyone knows that but not many care really
Until they gain a good marketshare
@@garyb7193ofc they will suck ...its their first after all, look at AMD, their sofwares were dogshits and uncompatible with ppl works many times, took them years to fix it. Everyone gonna be alpha and beta test at some point
@@garyb7193 Wtf are you on? We say lol speak for yourself. Do you not see that their basically giving these cards away? and what new piece of tech/game does not have any alpha/beta testers in its early stages? Its called improving each reiteration until its stable, The first NShidia cards and AMD cards faced the same dilemma Einstein.
The ARC cards are becoming a favorite of Stable Diffusion users, especially the A770. And performance continues to improve.
I wonder how much of the A770 16GB has gone to people for inference. It's certainly a lot nicer than the 800+ bucks everyone else wants for 16GB, and there's a lot of performance left on the table. Also, I'm pretty sure most of the optimization works across their entire product stack, from iGPU to Ponte Vecchio.
Thank you so much for doing another video on the Intel Arc series. I've been an A770 LE user from day one. It's been rough but the recent improvements make it all worth it for the most part.
Can you please continue to include the A770 (I know it can't be bought new anymore) in your tests when you test the A750 or any next gen Battlemage cards? 😉
Same here!!!! love my A770
A770 LE GANG!!
How does it worth it tho?
15:14 Correction: Initially, they used a DX9-11-to-DX12 translation layer at launch, but due to unsatisfactory results, they later switched to DXVK-a DX9-11-to-Vulkan translation layer developed by Valve for the Linux platform. This allows Windows titles to run on Linux platforms using Proton (Wine) and also enables the utilization of DX9-11 backends for native Linux ports.
The Linux D3D8 and D3D9 wrappers are just more optimized than Intel's was, same idea but why re invent the wheel when an excellent performing and highly compatible wrapper already existed. The D3D 8 and 9 performance boost in windows came when Intel ditched their own wrapper and baked the linux wrapper into their Windows drivers. The ironic thing is that wrappers often work better than native DirectX 8 and 9 on current windows because MS has stopped maintaining it and a lot of older games perform badly with it or are just outright broken.
Valve didn't create DXVK, but it's used by Proton which was developed by them.
@@offspringfan89 They didn't create it but they did make sure it continued on by hiring the developer behind it.
I am so thankful for valve. Linux gaming would be so much less of a reality without them, and to be honest it doesn’t feel like they really *had* to pick Linux - they could’ve just went with mobile windows for the steam deck for example. So awesome that they’re willing to put in the effort.
@@Bvngeeif you think about it, if they went with Windows they'd have to pay more and increase prices for windows licensing. It was probably a business decision, but definitely one I support and am very thankful for.
I dont regret buying an Arc A770 pretty early. It was quite the journey but it actually sparked my interest and i learned a lot more about how drivers work and how to analyse and fix issues. By now it is running smooth. A Clean driver install every now and then is all i have to do but i did that with amd and Nvidia cards before aswell. Lets Hope they keep up with it. They certainly showed that they listen and work a lot to improve... That they care. And i like that thought
Really hope Intel continues to improve Arc because it’s has some serious potential and more competition in the market is always better for the consumer.
You're doing the Lord's work on your channel, keep doing the great job!
The funny thing is no one really knows and won't know how truly capable the Arc Alchemist architecture is.
As explained to me, a few bugs in the arch design is holding the rest of it back, which also leads to no one really knowing how fast these would be without these bugs.
@@offspringfan89 thanks I will
I really like ARC and have said from the start that I'm getting a Battlemage GPU if they can get there. I will absolutely be getting a B770.
I am actually thinking of building an all Intel system if battlemage is up to snuff.
Considering Intel is only barely matching the perf/$ value of the RX 6600 and RX 6650XT, and thus giving their users zero discount for the "a little less than stellar" driver situation.... what makes you think Intel won't "quality signal" with the price as soon as they get even half way competitive on the driver side?
@@andersjjensen I imagine that they are not able to go much lower based on actual manufacturing cost. The die used for the a 770 is much larger than 6650 XT. At the $200 price, they are probably on the verge of losing money once you factor in distribution and retail mark ups. Hopefully, BattleMage will be good enough to justify the cost, and actually a profit margin that makes it worth doing business in the GPU market. Nvidia’s over here making 400% mark ups on the material costs of their founders cards, if Intel could get by on 50% and keep the doors open, we’d all be very much better off.
Arc has almost 0% market share. If they jack up the price like AMD did, then they won't have any buyers. AMD is discovering this with high end RDNA3.
@@ryanspencer6778 Except the 7900XTX has sold pretty well according to retailers who publish their data. The 6900XT didn't sell well in it's hay-day because it was significantly more expensive than the 6800XT while only being 11% faster, and not offering anything over Nvidia in terms of price to performance. But the 7900XTX was instantly a good buy to anyone who values raster the most. As fast in raster as the 4080, $200 cheaper and with 8GB more VRAM was generally received as a straight deal. The 7900XT, on the other hand, got itself review-day bombed because it was 90% the price for 80% the performance. But how where it's 75% the price for 80% the performance it seems to be moving.
I really hope Intel sticks with it. Other than how good it is now, their graphics cards look sweet
They give off an older Nvidia 600/700 or AMD 5000/6000 series vibe and I dig it.
Love the Sparkle edition.
@X39-hg9lz That's why I was more interested in that OEM card. Even though I really like the aesthetic of the Intel made cards.
@X39-hg9lz That is still hilarious to me
I just realized that as long as Intel sticks around we'll have video cards that will fulfill R, G, and B style cards.
For a first gen product I am impressed with Intel cards so far.
Because it’s not really a first gen product. Internally it was “take integrated graphics and throw the cores away”
@@someusername121 didn't they attempt something similar in the past? So it sort of wasn't their first run at it any way you slice it. Difference is this is being publicly sold while the other project wasn't.
That's far from the truth. Yes, it's based on their integrated graphics architecture, but only in the way that Nvidia's Ada is based on Ampere, Turing, or Pascal. It's a different architecture, certainly not just take away the CPU cores. That's what DG1 was.
@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf They are unlikely to dethrone Nvidia, as long as Nvidia chooses to stay in the consumer GPU market. Intel, more than any other tech company, understands just how powerful being the dominant market leader is, since that has been their own position in the consumer CPU market since forever. Nvidia owns something like 80-85% of the consumer GPU market. And Nvidia is likely developing their own GPU technology faster than Intel is (or even can).
Was hoping to see an Intel GPU revisit sometime soon, awesome timing. Thanks, Steve!
Great job, Intel ARC Drivers team listening to feedback and addressing so many issues. I purchased an A770 around launch with the hope that it would keep getting better and you haven’t disappointed. Finally at the point now where I can recommend these cards to friends looking for budget builds
Should i get a770 for video editing? I use premiere pro and after effects
I can get an Intel ARC 770 16gb for $200+ at Best Buy.
Definitely will be picking one of these up.
Any recommendation on a MOBO? I'll be using a 13th Gen I5.
@@tawsikabdullah I don't use A770, but using A750. And yeah, it works like a champ. It smoothly renders PTS, AI, PR and AE. The largest render I did after using Arc750 is 4K 60FPS 25 minutes long, and no problem. So yeah I recommend A750/770. Just remember that you have to update the intel driver, or it gonna be a disaster with stock driver.
@@acardenasjr1340 I recommend the Gigabyte Z790 UD, just notice that Gigabyte software is kinda ... sucks. It's not bad at the level that brick the PC or can not use, but sucks, but cheaper than Asus or MSI. My specs are: Gigabyte Z790 UD, Intel Arc 750, I5 13K, and 32GB DDR5.
Thanks Steve. As a proud owner of 2 Intel shares, I'll make sure your concerns are communicated to the board.
Hold on, you aren't the final decision maker?
7:25
Editing like this gets the most unexpected bursts of laughter out of me
same lmao, no cap
Didn't get it 😢
I bought an ASROCK A770 last month doing a new build.
7800X3D, 670E Steel Dragon, 6000MHz Team T Force DDR5, 4TB WD SSD, 8TB HDD, Corsair 4000D with 4 fans and 850PSU bundle, with a Corsair 3fan rad for my CPU.
Excited to build it when I get off work in 2 weeks. Board and cpu just got to my house today. First build in 10 years.
I bought my A770 a year ago and I'm happy to see the huge improvements Intel has made since then. I'm anxiously waiting for the Battlemage release.
I'm waiting for Battlemage before I go and replace my RTX 2080.
@@PixelatedWolf2077 I am on a gtx 1660TI laptop , waiting for battlemage to make my first PC build , and will get a CPU from AMD to support the competition on both GPU and CPU sides.
It's noticeable how much work Intel has been putting into Arc, and I commend them for it. I don't own one of their cards yet but will most likely be buying a Battlemage card when they come out, to upgrade from my 2070 Super.
I bought an A380 for my media server for video transcoding tasks. Works perfectly in that role, very happy with it. Would I buy one for gaming? Well, maybe not yet, but I'm definitely open to the idea in another generation or two if things continue to improve.
Great job, I did the same but manly to support intel since making gpu's is extremely hard.
@@fluffy_unicorn859 Handbrake also support Intel quicksync, but I bet Serotaca doesn't talk about handbrake, but more likely Plex/Emby or Jellyfin hardware transcoding features. These help a lot to real-time transcode (for smaller bitrate) and stream video to users with slower internet connections, like mobile devices
@@fluffy_unicorn859All the Arc cards have the same media transcoding parts on them. There is minimal, if no benefit, from choosing an A750 over an A380 for that purpose alone.
"You can't have bugs if you don't have features" - I spit a mouthful of food out, laughing.
as admin, or maker, never give the user something you are forced to take away ...but its not like intel planned it.
Great video! I've been looking forward to periodic Intel ARC revisits from various tech media, especially GN. It has been very interesting watching the steady improvement across the past year with DX9 and DX11 optimizations as well as general stability. The fact that intel has demonstrated that they're willing to constantly improve the Alchemist GPUs is very encouraging for current users and the future.
I would love to see a detailed video on graphics card driver development! What is actually happening in the driver code to increase gaming performance? Show an example... What is the relationship between hardware, Microsoft DirectX, and the driver? Would be a really cool and educational video. Thanks for the considerations!
Yeah!
Do they change code path and how, what order they execute certain things etc… or is it too much company secret thing?
Would love that too actually
Can’t wait for battlemage!
Looking forward to benchmarking it!
Really glad you decided to revisit this. It's interesting to see how intel is really doing with their long term goals against AMD and Nvidia. Thanks again, Steve!
This is such a great video. Thanks so much for following up! Tons of great info here - just interesting stuff for the geek in me that loves just hearing about hardware
Regarding the issues ARC still has with some older titles that run with DX-11 or 9, a usable workaround for those games is to run them via DXVK. It's a "translater" that basically makes those games run with the Vulkan API instead of DirectX. It was originally created to make it easier to run games on Linux but it has made its way over to windows ages ago.
They integrated DXVK directly into the driver earlier this year. Much bigger difference compared to release for older games
I'm 53 owned a computer building Co in the 90's (8th largest us importer from tiawan ) have degrees in engineering and computer science and I have been programming since I was ten..
I kinda laugh because at first it was just like what Nvidia and and drivers used to be like. You had to carefully tweak and configure most games.
Intel haD the same issue. But fixed them very quickly.
No game in my hugged collection has trouble running and running well abd that's been the case since March!..
I thing those who only use these to test these don't understand the cards , I wonder if they removed the Nvidia drivers properly or have some other configuration problems because often my tests and benchmarks far outshine those from here!
I remember getting literally twice the fps for God of war than the benchmark with the same hardware and driver version !
@@koto483 So Intel is probably going to be worth it then when next gen drops? I was worried about DX9 support
Got to say, Intel ARC is the most exciting thing in the GPU space these days, it's our best hope for more reasonable GPU prices.
Why is ARC exiting? They still can't compete with a 6600 or 6650XT. If they were at least cheaper than AMD's cards.
@@nipa5961wrong
As it stands, Arc GPUs are already nipping at Nvidia's heels in terms of productivity suite (AV1 encoding on the cheap, QuickSync being pretty close to CUDA), so if they were able to get their gaming drivers up to snuff, and maintain their price point, they could take a LOT of market share. I bought an a750, and it's had its issues, but having access to AV1 encoding for $200, for my broke ass self doing some content on the side, has been an absolute godsend. Meanwhile, production wise, AMD is off in a corner, eating glue paste...
All I'm saying is, Intel GPUs could bring the fight to Nvidia in a way that AMD either can't or won't, and I sincerely hope they succeed. I did my part in supporting their cause. I very much want to see what they bring out next.
7:24 this made me laugh back then. This makes me laugh right now. The intel guy's "NO CAP!" is hilarious.
I love that this is both critical and encouraging in tone. That's how you do it.
my Asrock a380 has only gotten progressively better since I got it, but as stated in the video, I'm an enthusiast who has other GPUs and numerous systems to test the card in. Also back then it came with 3 free games.
i love my A750 and i’m still looking forward to the future. seriously please. shareholders i’m begging
So are we all. The last thing we need now is for Intel to throw in the towel.
Same
Good to see the improvements Intel has been making. I've got a 770 LE in a secondary machine since last year and it's been awesome - very happy to support a third GPU vendor. Keep it up Intel!
Thing is of course that once they offer an actual competitive product in terms of hardware, drivers and support..... they will up the price accordingly.
That's fine, as long as they get there. Their presence should still help keep NVIDIA and AMD in check when needed.
@@GamersNexusboy i wish i shared this faith in market forces lol
@@GamersNexusWhen AMD was way behind Nvidia, that was the dream. That once AMD can compete with Nvidia, prices will go down, now AMD is price fixing just like Nvidia.
@iyoub6931 OK, this is another reason for Intel to disrupt the market and put them in check :)
@@cashnelson2306 Oligopoly is much harder to pull off than duopoly and especially monopoly. It doesn't matter if it's electronics or fruits.
Steve from Intel here, I just want to say thank you for your in depth look back at ARC! We are already reviewing and implementing support tickets based on your feedback and recognize how valuable it is. We will compete even stronger with BattleMage!! We’ve listened and DX9 support will be enabled on future cards (/s)
17:20 what?! AMD has been sweeping this under the rug for at least 3 years! And still is! Gaslit everyone into thinking it wasn't solvable.
The fact that Intel adopted the « Elon Musk way » of making this developement almost open and easy to understand for its new GPU lineup, is a great thing, imho.
Yeah have to add one thing here. Artic Liquid coolers are for sure among the best I've used. Great product! As a enthusiast myself I want intel to be extremely competitive. I'm sure we all here want this. lets hope it happens!
Fine Wine is slowly turning blue
7:25 killed me
hahaha, at the end of the video, he says "what's no cap!?"
I am proud to say that I was an early adopter and have been testing their products on my channel for a year. Too many people just brushed it off, which is a huge shame. Intel arc success means a win for everyone
What I really love about the a770 is it does hardware transcoding on my plex server. it’s been a workhorse
is there any special trick for making this work?
Hey Intel, just want to say something real quick:
We're not all about tons of features. What we really want are GPUs that work well and don't break our bank accounts. No need to go overboard trying to beat the 3090's or 4090's. How about aiming to match up with something like the 3060s? That's the kind of stuff most of us are actually looking to buy.
Both the a750 and a770 are at 3060 to 3060 ti levels in most games that it has optimised drivers for so that's already done? The a770 can reach 3070 levels in some games but it depends. Battlemage will supposedly aim at 4080 performance levels so not 4090 either.
cannot agree any more. There is demand for top of the line stuff for sure, but there are also a TON of us who look for that 3060/4060 equivalent that just runs things fine in concert with processors that are also just fine. I'd guess it's a massive section of the market, and we get massively underserved and taken for granted during the new gen reveals. Middle-tier, reliable video cards will be insanely high demand in the coming years.
That's what they already do. And features are important. Features are what make your brand. Features are what makes Nvidia sell more than AMD. If they did an AMD and just focused on making a GPU that worked perfectly at raster, I don't think people would care as much about Arc. But XeSS and RT on the higher end cards is good. Not quite as good as Nvidia, but better than AMD, which will help them far more in the future than getting raster 10% better on the beta generation.
@ryanspencer6778 they kinda do but not at the same level. They need to fix somethings and keep the good work (like Gamer Nexus said in this video). if they deliver stable performance and stay competitive, then you can say that they did... I would love to recommend their cards, but when people ask for recommendations, then I have to say that 3060 is more reliable than Intel's...
@@ryanspencer6778 pc builders buy Nvidia because they consider it the default. AMD has had outright better performance, and they bought Nvidia. Nvidia has had scandals involving the very design of their cards, but gamers buy Nvidia. Nobody will dethrone Nvidia, ever.
Arc review is brought to you by ARCtic cooling. A pity you didn't benchmark it on ARK.
A770 is doing well for me. That Halo update the other week was the only major issue I had left so glad that's solved. My only minor issue is that the drive auto update fails to work every other update (Check appears to timeout for ever until a manual update is done, then it works until and auto update happens and is then broken again until a manual update is done.) The does mean you can go several weeks without realising a driver update is out.
From a software development perspective, the fact that they focus on specific games isn't in itself a problem. There are 2 approaches that can be taken here: the good one is to use the specific games to reproduce certain issues or edge cases, and use that to fix or optimize the general driver. This way, fixes done in one game are likely to improve the compatibility and performance in multiple games. The bad approach is to simply detect what particular game is running, and do game specific optimizations. This wouldn't improve the drivers for any other game, it's a lot of wasted effort optimizing individual titles, and would add a lot of bloat to the drivers.
For their first gen of GPUs this is quite good result. Drivers are mostly fixed, and the architecture has probably a lot of space for further optimization (kinda like first gen ryzen). I'm really looking forward to their next gen release
I recently bought an Intel ARC A310 low-profile GPU for DaVinci Resolve 422 10bit HEVC footage and it has tremendously sped up editing and exporting.
With my RTX 3090 and the Intel GPU in my 2nd 16x slot It has been literally trouble-free. Not the same to be said about AMD RX 6900 XT with the ARC GPU....
10/10
For what it's worth it can do 120FPS in CS2 at 1080P low settings!
Awesome about the acceleration in Resolve! We're hoping to try something similar for our own video pipeline, although unfortunately we don't use DaVinci! Super helpful comment to share your Arc experience. Thanks for posting!
I'm on AMD 5700G for the moment with DaVinci till GPU are decent priced with AV1 hardware encoding. Would you recommend I buy the fastest arc I can afford? Or should I save up for Nvidia 30/40 series?
@@HaroldKuilman I bought my ASRock Intel ARC A310 from Amazon for $104 shipped to my door. It has been a phenomenal piece of equipment to say the least. From 20+ hour video edits down to 8 hours for 15 minute long videos. Simply because it doesn't pause or freeze anymore!
@@yasha1928 I'll have to go for a faster one, without a 3090 next to it, but good to hear it's stable now. When it released it wasn't.
Been running an A770 since February and I honestly can't see myself going back to nVidia any time soon after being a customer of theirs for over 20 years.
Thanks guy who asked!
Dropping the feature is actually a valid strategy to eliminate bugs.
If the reward of having the feature is not worth the effort to fix the bugs it bring and upkeep it, simply dropping it does make sense.
But anything has a limit. The long running meme is deleting the whole codebase to remove all bugs possible.
Great re review Steve. I’ve been tempted to buy an ARC GPU since launch and now there’s support for Adobe Premiere Pro, the only thing holding me back is that Battlemage is likely not that far off 😁 I don’t want to be stuck with a last gen ARC card. Will instead stick with my 6700XT for a little longer.
"You can't have bugs when you don't have features." -- I will use this at the next software design review I am a part of.
The impact of your videos here are interesting to see, it would seem you've essentially acted as a QA/test team for them. Numerous major issues fixed. Hopefully this contributes to intel arc becoming a real competitor.
Arc must never cease to exist, like they really shouldn't be ignored.
They need to prove themselves then
It will continue to be ignored until it actually does something. Not just an applaud for showing up.
The fact that Nvidia already tried pushing their AIBs to not use Intel GPUs says that Intel GPUs are definitely a good thing.
It should definitely stop if it doesn't make them profits. That 401k is not going to grow by itself 😉
I have the intel A770 for about a year and it has been great so far. The improvement since i got it has been amazing. Only issue i have now is Arc Control cant find the new drivers anymore and i have to go and download them manually
Hey Intel, if you're reading these comments, please know that we are rooting for you to achieve a competitive position.
There's so much value to be gained from the process alone, your other offering will improve in ways you would never have forecast if not for your efforts on the Arc lineup.
Excited to follow the continued development, keep up the effort, it will pay off in the end.
On my buy list is Epyc 7002 32cores++, MB, 256GB ECC RAM, Arc A380 for transcoding.
And all of the components are going to be 2nd hand. This costs around 1000-1300€.
Best option for cheap and efficient transcoding if you have no intel iGPU
Agreed. I hope Intel keeps up with their developments. The bit of loss for the next few years is worth it. I'd strongly consider something in the next generation if there was enough improvement.
I bought an A580 shortly after launch, when it went on a surprise sale on Newegg. I loved the card SO much that, as a show of support, I went on to buy an A770 to really play around with, and eventually an A750 and A380. I'm only one customer that makes a near-zero influence on their bottom line, but it's not zero, and I want to back my money on this product line along with others to let those who ultimately make the final calls know there is a hungry market here, ready to pay.
Early adopter here. I bought the A770 LE in December 2022 and had a wild ride! I played many games like Star Citizen, Hogwarts Legacy, and many more. Do I regret my purchase? Nope! I tested games and it is available in my channel.
I took a risk on the A770. There were random crashes for me at first and some screen tearing for Starcraft II, but with updates that hasnt happened in months.
It's a damn sexy looking card too.
Bro do you own it now also ??
@@centurieos701 Yea, It's still in my PC
We need this. May result in competition in the market I doubt it but Here's hoping.
it does indeed show how difficult it is to put an (at first) unknown GPU onto this wide market.
up until now i've been praising intel for their hard work, fixing major bugs, improving performance and stability and relative consistent driver updates over time.
It is true dedication.
As we get closer to the end of the year, I get more excited to see the disappointment build. I can hardly wait. The build me in the background over the last few weeks has only added to my anticipation.
Arc needs to continue!!! I am a amd fanboy for cpus but on the gpu side I am rooting Intel all the way.
I can certainly understand AMD's perspective though. The way to grow their profits is to charge their existing consumer base more. Simply because they haven't gained any meaningful marketshare on the GPU side of things.
@@ArtisChronicles Well, this is the chicken and egg problem. You need low prices to gain marketshare, but you need high prices to remain profitable with your currently small marketshare. It really comes down to a policy decision. Do we go into marketshare gain mode and crash the prices for a while or do we stay in this limbo of 10% and try to scalp our current customers? It's a matter of executive decision. Short term planning vs long term planning.
I would indeed buy a 2nd gen version of an ARC card when I finally get around to doing a new build with AM5 in a year or two.
I wish this was an Intel Arc benchmarks video, also... Missed the chance to mention the grown list of XeSS supported games
As a former software test engineer the amount and type of bugs that reached production baffles me
Definitely rushed to market with the sheer number of bugs.
They probably pumped that bad boy out after a 1 month sprint in Pune.
Fun Fact, Intel Arc works WAY WAY WAY better on Linux than it does on Windows. You can use DX8/9/11 as Linux (Well WINE and Proton) use DXVK which will translate the DX calls to Vulkan.
It's just sad that the big RUclips reviewers don't compare the Intel Arc cards (or really any GPU) on alternative operating systems. Which I can understand except that I can point that WIndows is only really about 60-70% of the desktop market share these days, with even Windows seeing a decline in the Steam Hardware Survey.
Gamer's Nexus team, Please reach out to me if you want help in setting up a review system.
Not really. According to the most recent benchmarks done by phoronix fron 2-3 weeks ago at least, the Vulkan performance of the intel cards on linux lags waay behind windows and how the equivialent cards from nVidia and AMD perform on either OS. Maybe it'll improve once intel integrates their new kernel driver but for now the performance is sub par and you're much better off getting a AMD card if you are on Linux (or nVidia if you need CUDA or specific nvidia features and can live with driver jank)
DXVK can however help the Arc cards on some dx9/10/11 titles on windows since the vulkan implementation works great there...
I went from a RX580 to a A770 and yes it was a rough ride to get to where we are now but over all i love this GPU best $300 CAD I ever spent. I also am part of a few game beta test for Indy devs due to the fact I own a A770 and one of few who have on in the community discord so i do a lot of testing to help the dev get it fixed and running on a Intel GPU.
Intel: "We have decades of experience making graphics drivers."
Also Intel: "It'll be a labor of love for pre-DX12 games to be made functional."
Been daily driving the a380 since memorial weekend last year. The big November 2022 update fixed the biggest issues I had with it.
I don't expect Intel to drop the arc line as it is replacing the integrated graphics starting with Meteor lake. In preparation for that launch it would be nice if you did a roundup on the integrated graphics for the last couple of generations of processors as a baseline. 12/13/14 gen, 5600g, amd 7x0m, the 7000 series integrated desktop graphics. Putting those against the a380, rx 6400, 3050, and the persistent nvidia 730s which are still sold all over the place.
Only few minutes into the video, but I'm mostly curious about stability in DaVinci Resolve... ( AV1 ❤)
We haven't tested it in Resolve, but another commenter here says it's working well for them!
@@GamersNexus saw it, but that was in combination with 30 series. I'm on a budget so I have to pick just one GPU with AV1 encoding 🤷♂️ I'm on 5700G Apu for the time being (planning to save up for an 5950X upgrade after the GPU)
The moment the more major issues mentionned in this video are fixed, imo, this could spell a general recommendation!
And I really hope Battlemage delivers even more performance per dollar and make AMD and nVidia sweat bullets.
Agreed. I really want to see Intel focus on the core performance of its cards. The budget and mid range markets have a lot of opportunity for them to gain a foothold and develop some loyalty
7:24 - Good eye, Steve! 😂😂😂
The "No cap" moment was entierly too good
This DirectX talk just shows how fucking amazing Proton is and valve is going everyone a solid by making and support it.
I feel like owning Arc at this point is like dual booting Linux for the first time. Sometimes it works and is really cool, but you need something else in place for when you actually need to get work done and are finished playing with the new toy.
This, but flip the OS'es. I've been running Windows for the last year and frankly, it's a pain to learn how to SysAdmin on Windows.
Let's hope Intel stays on track with Arc GPU!
Kinda fitting to feature an ARCtic product on an ARC video. ☺
I really hope Intel sticks with arc, its gotten a pretty good start, considering the rocky launch. Its already eaten up 6% of the steam GPU database.
ARC doesn't show up in the Steam hardware survey. You're looking at total percentage users of each brand which includes every iGPU still in use. Edit: Xe users make up 1.41 percent of the market, that's technically ARC.
@@nimroderyThe Xe branding is also on many of the Intel mobile igpus. So most of those are not actually Arc.
@@nimrodery even 1.4% is really impressive for a first launch
I'll absolutely buy an Intel GPU after they get a little more R&D in. They could make a lot of money
Watching alot of chanels on youtube.
But image quality of yours, is the best for me. Sharpnes, light, colors...
I don't know, what eqipment or what soft do you use, but your uniq combination of al of this is perfect!)
Respect for video editing guy(or girl))
We need Intel in the GPU market
Intel ARC is the only GPU I have yet to buy, and am most excited to. It's one of those things where you know it isn't super powerful at the moment, but it still kicks ass either way. Easily a pick for me, knowing the disadvantages, still worth it!
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Early gang
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The fact that a first gen card is this good is impressive, and they have been doing lots of stuff to make them good with video editing programs like Premiere (a constant complaint from me about AMD and the reason I can’t leave Nvidea yet). People forget or weren’t there to experience it back when stuff like this was the Wild West so to speak in the 90’s and 2000’s
Greetings from Bavaria Germany 👍🏻. Steve, you and the Team did a really Good Job this year! Hope you guys still do it the next years as well. I just would say THANKS to the complete Team!
Dosbox! Dosbox! Dosbox! I guess I'm the only person that will stand up for Dosbox, because I never hear anyone else mention that Dosbox quit working with Arc in Windows 10 since driver 4676. I really like my Intel Arc a750 a lot, but hope they fix the Dosbox problem or I'll have to switch back to my AMD card.
They're getting there! Though I've been wondering from the get-go why they weren't able to merge driver fixes for DX9 games that already had been in the Intel HD driver packages for years. They already had decades of experience building drivers for their integrated iGPs so it's interesting to me how they seemingly started from zero with their dedicated GPU solutions.
I bought an A750 over the summer and it’s been great for light 1080p gaming. You nailed it though, what got me was the idea of playing with something new and different
The nice thing with DSA is that it won't install updates on it's own, it'll just send you some notifications if you have updates. It at least works way better than AMD's solution, which just doesn't seem to notify you at all.
Steve in front of the Intel board and investors... You are going in the right direction.... Board: Show me the money!