I like to think Dante's Inferno contributed a lot to the current view of hell. Many people are convinced they and their backslidden relatives aren't going there but their political enemies are.
It’s 100 percent true inspired by Roman Catholic Church also who back in the Middle Ages used fear of hell to have power over the kings of the land. They told people children who were not baptised were in hell ffs 🤦 crazy to think really that people believed this stuff from they’re mouths
you clearly don’t know the first thing about the catholic church because one of the catholic church’s most controversial ideas is that unbaptized babies do NOT go to hell. the church has NEVER taught that. that’s absurd
@@jmayville-s5z Luke 14-17, the context all around this passage, is full of parables. It's another in a long list of teaching examples, and drawing from Greek literature (including The Odyssey, and Odysseus's trip to meet a prophet in Hades), and the Greek-reading audience of this Greek-written text would have been familiar with that. Given too, the impossible/miraculous/supernatural claims within it, there's not a strong reason to see it as any more literally true than The Odyssey is (which is also overflowing with proper names, by the way).
Nowhere in the Bible is hell described as a place where the devil torments you by forcing you to eat an endless supply of donuts. That’s a creation of modern scholars.
All NT texts on this issue are highly open to interpretation. The Valley of Hinnom could be interpreted as any of the fates you mentioned, as can undying worms and unquenchable fire which in the original context referred to dead bodies. The interpretation I find most consistent with the majority of texts is chastisement leading to reconciliation. The interpretation that's least consistent is infinite punishment, which was a minority view until centuries later.
Thanks Dan. A good video to show that it's not just theists who make misleading content. This, somewhat manic, individual seems to mean well but, because he is neither a bible scholar nor a linguist, has not sufficiently researched his subject.
Yeah, his intentions are not bad and he seems to have researched the subject. However, it also seems that the research barely scratched the surface of the subject and he trusted popular sources without vetting them.
@meej33 He can stand to be corrected, though. I follow him for his trivia, and when he was once corrected, he issued a corrective video. Easygoing for sure, and wellmeaning, but perhaps stick to the Funfacts. 😊
He’s not. He has a very light voice so your psyche probably registers him as less threatening, but he has an agenda like most creators. What’s important is not tone but being factual, something that this creator gets wrong at times which is especially unfortunate since he shares information.
The tradition for that was only for Jewish people (though I think modern ideas includes all people now), non Jews that didn’t follow Torah suffered either ETC or annihilation depending on what text/interpretation you read.
@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286 yes I understand that but I’m more interested what the people at the time the texts were written thought, as ideas change with time to match the contemporary culture. Despite what the rabbis say, I’m pretty sure the Noahide laws are a more recent innovation. So same for Gehenna, they might now say that everyone goes through Gehenna temporarily, but the original authors only believed that for Jews (as far as I am aware, I read a JPS article about it years ago but maybe I’m misremembering)
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 Gehenna is such an awful place G-d wouldn't send anyone there for over a year. (Also why he mourning period in Judaism is 11 months--if you're still mourning after that you're saying your loved one was the worst possible person.)
I was asked before, why I thought there are numerous, often graphic descriptions of hell but descriptions of heaven are very rare, at best. (I am not a biblical scholar, these were just conversations.) My guess is that hell, as it's commonly described is about torment, misery and punishment it's very easy for people to agree torment and torture is pretty hellish. Pretty much everyone agrees they don't want to be impaled, incinerated, etc. While what is pleasant for one may be torture to another - we have all kinds of different things we really like that others wouldn't, so it'd be difficult, at best, to describe a heaven that everyone would agree on. There is also the fact that people are attracted to negativity - why the news is full of horrible things people do to one another and not kittens being rescued from trees. Am i close to actual reasons, if there are any, or am I missing the mark with my speculation?
Haha. When I was a child, I was afraid, mortified of the idea of going to hell. But also opposed to the idea of going to heaven if heaven would be a perpetual Sunday morning service where we only sit down and praise the Lord. My child self always preferred annihilation.
@@jorgepiresjunior Yeah, I never understood where the idea that heaven was only us worshipping God and never anything else came from. I would almost want to be perpetually on fire.
@DarkAdonisVyers I know there aren't and Alighieri is the most referenced and well known. That's not what I was asking. I wasn't questioning the source(s), I was wondering if my guess at _why_ descriptions of hell were so ubiquitous compared to descriptions of heaven, which are extremely rare.
@@velocibadgery haha I was right there with you and Jorge. I remember asking my pastor neighbor when I was a teenager, what was in heaven and what did you do,there? He said it was an eternity of happiness, that you'll spend eternity praising God. I was horrified and had more questions he probably didn't expect. "God created the universe. The _entire universe_ designed everything, our DNA, the viruses that merged with our DNA and did all these things that made us who we are, exists outside of time because he knows the future, past and present. Why would he need or even want us sitting around, constantly telling him how great he is. Isn't it just a given? Wouldn't he get annoyed after a minute or two? And why is that heaven, it sounds horrible, like worse than boredo... " He cuts me off, says we won't get bored because we'll be with God and he doesn't know the mind of God. I said," I dunno. That sounds like Stockholm syndrome." He never mentioned religion again. I wasn't trying to be difficult, I was always trying to find out how everything worked why. Lol
Man, it's hard being a Hellenic Pagan because whenever I want to look up something it's either Christian stuff or Percy Jackson stuff and not the original Greek.
I’ve made similar arguments to theists who insist the Bible says all non believers will be in eternal torment and torture in hell from the moment when they die, but they also claim a judgement day where those non believers will have enternal torment ended (how can it if eternal) then be judged (again apparently) and thrown into a different eternal torment. It makes no sense internally. And they ignore that the lake of fire they refer to is the second death, not eternal torment. Dante has a lot to answer for regarding these notions of satan in charge of an eternal torture place. It just doesn’t line up with any of the biblical stories (and there’s a lot to chose from).
Hey quick question, in some of your older videos (specifically the TikTok compilation) you pronounce the tetragrammaton (YHWH) when the all-caps LORD is used, but in more recent videos you tend to substitute in Adonai. I was wondering if that's a conscious shift based on a specific interpretation? I know that was a practice of some scribes and early rabbis (based in part on the commandment not to use the name in vain), and is the reason that LORD (all caps) and Lord are rendered differently in some english translations. Thanks for these videos!
Fact check. The Enochic literature doesn't only talk about Sheol as a place of punishment for angels. Also, eternal conscious punishment is not a post-biblical innovation.
After struggling with ECT at the end of my faith and finally being on the other side, I find Jesus to be a weirdo now that all is said and done. A shame people didn’t really give any pushback to him when he says contradictory things like love your neighbor as yourself but also they deserve to have their skin burned for all of eternity if they don’t do exactly what I say. I wonder if anyone listening to his sermons ever raised their hand and asked “hi, excuse me, but are you mental?” Did he ever stop and think to himself that it was weird that he had such a high moral standard and that god was loving yet worshiped that same god that would torture people for eternity? How are you going to sit there and tell people to forgive 77x7 times and then say “but god doesn’t have to do that, he can turn you into a piece of charcoal if he feels like it”. I guess even a guy like Jesus who revolutionized our understanding of morality was still victim to dogmas. Or who knows what he actually said? Not like he wrote anything down, all we have are propaganda pieces written decades after and an oral tradition that probably changed over time. Maybe he was an annihilationist, maybe even a universalist! Would be nice if he clarified things for us…
@ yeah you and the rest of Christianity for the past 2000 years…what does that say about a god that leaves the whole reason for its religion in such ambiguity?
This assumes Jesus was the person that said everything attributed to him. Even events like the Sermon on the Mount in Gospel of Matthew could be complete fiction created by the book's author to promote their own ideas. Gospel of Thomas attempts to credit Jesus with even more sayings, most of which were likely already commonly spoken at the time. If either of these sources are to be believed, Jesus didn't actually say anything in a well spoken manner, but just rattled-off a bunch of empty platitudes.
It should be said though, Sheol not being well defined in the Bible does not mean it was not well defined for its writers or readers. And those writers and readers don't include rabbinical Jews, due to the Second Temple's fall and other subsequent events they failed to inherit that cultural context.
@@ShadowveilFox I imagine it's like Hades, a place where you go when you die but it's very dark and there's only a little bit of you left, so everyone there has a somber existence similar to being asleep
Dan, I would be curious as to your thoughts on the below. It specifically pertains to Christ's references to hell in the bible. Aren't we in danger of simply saying 'He said hell was fire and eternal punishment, but what he really meant was entirely different - so you'll be fine'. Can't we then apply that to everything else Christ said. Also happy to hear anyone else's thoughts.
If that is your way to reconcile God who is love with everlasting punishment you.need to try harder, Sodom suffered eternal fire but it is not burning today, Malachi 4:2-4 tells us the fate of the wicked and they can't be continually burning if they are ashes, God alone has immortality is another text which would be a lie if the wicked burn forever. You have been deceived however your willingness to accept a false description of God suggests that you would not be happy in His presence so you are unlikely to find out what the future for the righteous (by faith) involves unless you reconsider what you believe. Man lives by every word and not a select few is the best advice I can offer .
I don't know. I believe Gehenna to be the literal Valley of Hinnom. If you look at it as the city dump that was always burning, it makes sense when Jesus speaks about the worm that does not die, and you have to imagine it would be full of maggots. Jesus talks about fearing the one who could destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. This is because the Jews believed in preserving the body, especially those who believed in the resurrection; burning the body in cremation would destroy both body and soul. Criminals who were not worthy of burial had their bodies destroyed. I do not think the Jews of Jesus's day believed in any kind of eternal torment after life. All I can really find about modern Jewish ideas about hell is that it's a temporary thing that works like a spiritual washing machine of fire that cleanses your soul so that you can be purified. They don't see it as eternal torment.
Check out re 'rubbish dump always burning' it does look like this is an invention by later Christian writers hundreds of years after the NT. I forget when idea first appears now.
'worm that does not die' I think the consensus is Jesus referring to scripture references Jeremiah/Isaiah etc....enemies/armies killed.... so many killed 'the worms do not die'
Just like my old days as a soldier, ironing out always gets put off until the last. Heck, I’d shine my boots before I ironed my uniform. But then, I was the worst soldier I’ve ever met. 🤷🏻♂️
People who preach hell, like the idea of hell. And that's all you need to know. When people tell you who they are believe them. They want people punished.
hang on a minute, I wasn't aware that Gehenna was thought of as a place of eternal conscious torment. I thought it was more a place where if your corpse was put, it would have descrased your body. Can you please post your sources, I'd like to learn more
He looks tired right enough. Needs a wee break and to put his feet up for a bit. Then he can come roaring back with a video about appropriate use of ancient Hebrew grammar. 👍
Right wing authoritarians and Christian Nationalists are getting him down because they obstinately refuse to negotiate with the Bible the righteous way. Plus their recent political victory means Dan’s appointment to Biblical Negotiator in Chief is delayed by 4 years at least. Not an easy time for Bible negotiations right now, to say the least…
Both sad and telling how religion depends on the fear of eternal damnation for those who dare to not believe. Also sad and telling that thinking people fall for that bullsh!t.
So wonderful that all these kind religious people would worship a god that sets up post-mortum eternal divine punishment. You are all such sweethearts.
Something I think is strange is the dichotomy between “Greek mythology” and Jewish/ Christian theology. The OP seems to forget that what we call “mythology” was another religion, believed in just as fervently by it’s adherents as Judaism was by their neighbours, and by the time of Christianity had been practiced alongside Judaism in the area for centuries.
I think also, the idea of hell is a place of fiery torment is not something that is native to Judaism again it’s focusing on the afterlife Judaism is a very practical ideology and it concerns itself with how to deal with newly evolving issues like land use, and what it means to be a nation versus a tribe
The creator you're responding to was inaccurate, but he was creating a very simplified summary, which is what he does with nearly ALL his content, religious or otherwise. There's a chance that his longer form content, unlike his "shorts" content, is less inaccurate. The most annoying thing about him is his "FUN FACT!" at the beginning of most of his shorts.
The topic is too big to cover in one short. Hell in New Testament is completely different than the Old Testament, and both are completely different then what is believed today. It's possible that Hell wasn't even a constant/consist concept in Ancient Israel/Canaan either over their ~1000 years. For example, did "sheol" start off as just "graveyard" and then morphed into something more esoteric later on?
Hell is the same as sheol or used to describe a time of punishment and trails to restore equity and purity. I like the sheol meaning, which means "dirt", and going to sheol/hell is just man returning to dust. To go to hell forever is to not be raised up after death. The kingdom of heaven as the future, and immortality is us having children so we can biologically live forever.
I thought he was OK during all of it. I thought it was all in good faith and what mistakes he made were just scrambling up concepts - maybe imperfectly sorting things out. Tell me we haven't seen people a million times worse than him.
@@ballasog Yeah, I had no real issues with his video. It was a good faith attempt to present correct information, he just got a few things someone wrong or oversimplified things too much.
It’s the first time I’ve seen this creator do a theological short - typically his are ‘fun facts’ that are mostly actually ‘cool stories’. It does now make me question all of them now if they were all as poorly researched as this one.
Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but in case someone else is actually surprised, the child sacrifice is mentioned in the bible in various contexts from various periods of time. Jephthah sacrificed his daughter due to nothing more than a silly promise after winning a battle. King Manasseh performed or allowed child sacrifices, but the only complaint by the earlier portions of the bible is that he did so to another god. Exodus 22:29-30 directly requires first-born child to be sacrificed. Later revisionism within the bible suggests the practice fell out of favor by the time of Babylonian exile/occupation. Ezekiel 20:25-26 tried to explain the practice away in a manner that Christians still say today for other horrors we find in the bible; the old justification that things where different back then. By Jeremiah 32:34, we see full revisionism with the outright denial of that practice was used for YHWH.
@fcsuper sory, I'm not being sarcastic. I just found out from Dan's video, because previously I only knew that child sacrifice was for Moloch. But from your explanation, it actually adds new insight and perspective, that the God of the Old Testament was truly a monster
@@dominicabimanyu161Dan has got a video on this, look it up under the Data Over Dogma podcast. Yes, there is evidence that the early Israelites practiced child sacrifice. There is also evidence that in the earliest telling of Abraham and Isaac that he did, in fact, sacrifice his son and that the story was changed later.
@@dominicabimanyu161He may cover it elsewhere but he goes into the child sacrifice in this video. There are some academic papers on this if you look in Google Scholar for child sacrifice early Judaism. ruclips.net/video/SHLLzroKzI0/видео.htmlsi=Cgc25sNEaEZ9K2cv
@@OldMotherLogo So Abraham really did sacrifice Isaac... Whoa, I can't wait to tell one of the church elders. imagine how their facial expressions would change
I’m feeling very uncomfortable with what you’re saying it because while they’re working tonight religions traditions, devotions sacrifices made prior to Judaism. The seminal formative moment in Judaism is when Abraham is told to reject the concept of human sacrifice released his son and sacrifice the RAM instead. so I’m not a historian, but I did spend about 15 years studying pre-first temple in first Temple Judaism, and so Judaism really does not concern itself with the hereafter which is not even like oh you die and go there Judaism since his little as possible about to here after and the further back you go, the less is discussed about after death because the emphasis of judaism is this life not the life after death not you were put on earth to participate in some thing and that is where you should be focusing life is considered a partnership with the divine, and the work of that partnership is here on earth, making it a more just place a more merciful place those two pillars if you are Doing some thing for a reward after death, do you have a selfish motivation your motivation should be to create a just an merciful place to be partners in creation to think about reward or punishment after life is it falls short of blasphemy only because Judaism has a strong tradition that there are no stupid questions and that any question asked from a place of seriousness and sincerity is valid, but honestly, the ideas of what comes after life don’t even start to take form until Jews were exposed to these other traditions in the classical period, and then started to ask. What do we believe happens after life but I think it’s really misunderstands the theological worldview of Early Jewish thought
I think there are two issues with your question. First off, there may be an answer outside of your two options you give. Second, it assumes a univocality, as if the Bible has a singular explanation for everything, ignoring that each partner had their own rhetorical goals and d purposes. There is also a third possible issue, and that is there may not be enough data to give a definitive answer to the question.
@@Bobjdobbs So what is your view/beliefs if I may ask, about hell. I am illiterate when it comes to the bible. I just find this topic similar to the Trinity. Christians still have their different views.
@@Bobjdobbs I used to think of this as a possible answer too. I was brought up with the belief that if you were judged accordingly and was not found in favour of God, then youll be cast aside with the unrighteous and will die forever. Not eternal death or everlasting death, just dead, cease to exist. Because I believe that God isnt cruel to torment us and punish us for eternity. I also agree with your view, it also shows a loving and merciful God that we worship.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-Dead are aware of “ nothing”. The sacrifices of children in the valley of Hinom ( gehenna) were NOT made to the God of Israel ( who does NOT accept such) but rather to the gods of various unfaithful kings like Manasseh who along with others performed child sacrifice to Moloch ( an god but not by any means The God). And , no, there I no consciousness attributed to the permanently dead that Jesus describes a being cast into Gehenna. { although Jesus used this valley of dishonorable disposal of trash and the bodies of criminals to illustrate this concept, Gehenna is not a place, it is a state in which the person is not eligible for the resurrection and I thus permanently destroyed}.
I'd argue that sheol is the Jewish version of the underworld (haded) which is a subject I'd HIGHLY suggest someone research, specifically that concept of an "underworld" or land of the dead is consistent throughout most of not all ancient cultures. You find it in asia, mesoamerica, Mesopotamia etc etc.. the underworld itself is an allegory for this existence.. in other words, this existence is death, this is the land of the dead, we are the dead and what comes after is life.. you'll notice the Egyptians "book of the dead" is actually called "book of coming forth by day" so if "daytime " to the Egyptians is what comes after then logically this existence must be night.. or more accurately, death
From what little I know about Sheol and Hades, they certainly sound quite like the pre-Christian Norse Hel (which is of course cognate word with the English word hell). Like those, Hel is the destination for most of the dead (all who do not die in battle), not a place of punishment for the unrighteous dead. And like them, Hel is presented as gloomy, dark, damp and cold (all also qualities of a literal grave), and a dreary but basically pretty benign existence. One difference is that Hel seems physically quite a lot like the world of the living, it has houses and farms and things like that, which as far as I know is not an explicit feature of Sheol or Hades?
@GaryDunion I actually follow the Norse path so I'm very familiar with Niflheim the Norse underworld Hel is the goddess who rules it but Niflheim and hel can be used interchangeably. The important thing to pay attention to is the mythology surrounding the underworld. More specifically ketabasis . Myths about escaping the underworld. This is usually (but not always) the common theme that is found in all the different myths.. from the Aztec hero twins to the sumerian goddess innana, the ugaritic god ba'al , the Greek persephone or Orpheus, the Chinese sun wukong, the Japanese izanagi, the Egyptian Osiris who doesn't escape the underworld he comes to rule over it .. not much is known about the ancient tradition but one thing that is known is that the mysteries of elusis were intimately tied to the mythology of persephone and demeter and her escape from the underworld. It's not some primitive attempt to explain something they didn't understand.. these myths are highly complex symbolic allegory and that is what I'm saying needs to be studied.. why no one has made the connection yet but it's all right there in plain sight
You are the definition of buzz kill. “Well actually it could mean this but it could also mean this, but since I’m a knuckle head, I’m going to disagree with you and make a video that will make my religion look stupid.”
@@ldr540Dan started announcing his “fits” (outfits” because people kept asking him. It is less something he loves to do, and more something that started as a fan request, and has now become part of his style.
Hey guys, I recently started negotiating with Dan's videos, and renegotiating with the Bible. I say 'renegotiating' because I'm a fellow leftie, but was raised by rightwing authoritarians and was taught to negotiate with the Bible in appalling ways as you can imagine. Does Dan offer any courses on renegotiating with the Bible from a leftwing political perspective?
@@ldr540 You are asking a theological question. Dan tries to stick to academic biblical scholarship in the courses he teaches. If you are looking for a progressive church, there are plenty. Google is your friend.
I know that woman (Maria Angelina Alexander) If you were born and raised in new York you'd know too, she's my family's Broker for 3yrs till now and a very good one if you asked me. No doubt she is the one that helped you get where you are!!!!
The word hell comes from the Proto-Germanic feminine noun haljō, which means "concealed place, the underworld". The word haljō comes from the Proto-Indo-European root kel-, which means "to cover, conceal, save". The word hell is related to other words that come from the root kel-, such as "hall", "hole", and "hollow". Old Norse hel: Means "abode of the dead, the death goddess". Hell is not a biblical word, and does not mean "realm of eternal punishment". There is in fact no need to fear Hell.
From Wikipedia: "...religions with reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations, as is the case in the Indian religions." It is right there in the first paragraph! Come on people. Do better.
What does his faith have to do with anything? He answered the question without any bias, he could have easily brought what Mormons believe, but he chose not to and decided to stay neutral.
@user-vx4jb6jx9r do you mind listening to a lecture about gender and race equality by a racist and misogynist? How about a pastor who SA children? Consistency is important. McClellan talks about gender equality while supporting the misogynistic Mormon church.
@@sohu86x If you were a longtime watcher of Dan, you would know that's not the case with him. He has refuted topics that were held by both mainstream Christians and Mormons, many, many, times.
KJV is not the original bible we don’t have the original bible as no manuscripts we have of the KJV leads back to Moses pbuh time nor is there any manuscripts of the new testament during the time of Jesus pbuh and the original Torah and original bible was given to Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh and were to only be used for that time that’s why we don’t have the original
Anyone that teaches hellfire and judges people to it are not of Christ. In fact, they don't know Him at all. And we know what that means, no Son, no Father.
I like to think Dante's Inferno contributed a lot to the current view of hell. Many people are convinced they and their backslidden relatives aren't going there but their political enemies are.
It’s 100 percent true inspired by Roman Catholic Church also who back in the Middle Ages used fear of hell to have power over the kings of the land. They told people children who were not baptised were in hell ffs 🤦 crazy to think really that people believed this stuff from they’re mouths
you clearly don’t know the first thing about the catholic church because one of the catholic church’s most controversial ideas is that unbaptized babies do NOT go to hell. the church has NEVER taught that. that’s absurd
The thirsty rich man in Luke's Hades is also pretty clearly an allusion to the Greek myth of Tantalus.
Jesus rode the mare and her foal into Jerusalem aka summer solstice in Cancer.The Asses were stars.
One of the riders was Dionysos as the King.
@@harveywabbit9541what is blud babbling about
@@Inabin
Jesus, King of the Jews, is Dionysus/Bacchus.
@@jmayville-s5z Luke 14-17, the context all around this passage, is full of parables. It's another in a long list of teaching examples, and drawing from Greek literature (including The Odyssey, and Odysseus's trip to meet a prophet in Hades), and the Greek-reading audience of this Greek-written text would have been familiar with that. Given too, the impossible/miraculous/supernatural claims within it, there's not a strong reason to see it as any more literally true than The Odyssey is (which is also overflowing with proper names, by the way).
"If I owned Hell and Texas I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas."
-Gen. Philip Sheridan.
"Hell is other people."
-Jean Aul Sartre
Nowhere in the Bible is hell described as a place where the devil torments you by forcing you to eat an endless supply of donuts. That’s a creation of modern scholars.
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Scholars? Seems like a stretch doesn't it?
jelly donuts, I am going....
AKA: Homer Simpson's heaven.
Ah, yes. The scholar Matt Groening.
Hope you feel better, Dan!!! 🙏🏾
Came down here to say this as well.
Wishing you recovery from your cold so can fully enjoy your thanksgiving with your family.
Bon said it best.
“Hell ain’t a bad place to be!” 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽
Loving his "Ancient Aliens guy" meets "Eraserhead guy" hairstyle! 👍
All NT texts on this issue are highly open to interpretation. The Valley of Hinnom could be interpreted as any of the fates you mentioned, as can undying worms and unquenchable fire which in the original context referred to dead bodies. The interpretation I find most consistent with the majority of texts is chastisement leading to reconciliation. The interpretation that's least consistent is infinite punishment, which was a minority view until centuries later.
2024, and people are still teaching their poor children about hell.
What the devil?
2024 and we’re about to get a third temple and fake forced “prophecy” so some people that think they’re better than everyone else can destroy others.
Thanks Dan. A good video to show that it's not just theists who make misleading content. This, somewhat manic, individual seems to mean well but, because he is neither a bible scholar nor a linguist, has not sufficiently researched his subject.
Yeah, his intentions are not bad and he seems to have researched the subject. However, it also seems that the research barely scratched the surface of the subject and he trusted popular sources without vetting them.
@meej33 He can stand to be corrected, though. I follow him for his trivia, and when he was once corrected, he issued a corrective video.
Easygoing for sure, and wellmeaning, but perhaps stick to the Funfacts. 😊
@@Marco-xy7nd Who is he?
aw the guy seemed too well-meaning to deserve a ”nah, I’m good”
He’s not. He has a very light voice so your psyche probably registers him as less threatening, but he has an agenda like most creators. What’s important is not tone but being factual, something that this creator gets wrong at times which is especially unfortunate since he shares information.
He has an agenda _and_ gets things wrong occasionally?! Glad I'm not a normal human being like that! 😬😬
@@bobbyjackson2705 seems worth correction rather than dismissal
My Jewish upbringing taught me that Gehenna was a place of temporary conscious torment (up to a year) followed by either salvation or reincarnation.
The tradition for that was only for Jewish people (though I think modern ideas includes all people now), non Jews that didn’t follow Torah suffered either ETC or annihilation depending on what text/interpretation you read.
@@Waxican Most modern interpretations of Judaism say the Torah laws are for Jews; non-Jews only need follow the seven Noahide laws.
@@lennierofthethirdfaneofchu7286 yes I understand that but I’m more interested what the people at the time the texts were written thought, as ideas change with time to match the contemporary culture.
Despite what the rabbis say, I’m pretty sure the Noahide laws are a more recent innovation. So same for Gehenna, they might now say that everyone goes through Gehenna temporarily, but the original authors only believed that for Jews (as far as I am aware, I read a JPS article about it years ago but maybe I’m misremembering)
Why one year? Seems oddly specific
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 Gehenna is such an awful place G-d wouldn't send anyone there for over a year. (Also why he mourning period in Judaism is 11 months--if you're still mourning after that you're saying your loved one was the worst possible person.)
Dan, as a believer, which do you think is more likely: some form of eternal conscious torment or annihilationism?
I feel this is an important question to ask. Dan's answer might be very illuminating.
I was asked before, why I thought there are numerous, often graphic descriptions of hell but descriptions of heaven are very rare, at best. (I am not a biblical scholar, these were just conversations.)
My guess is that hell, as it's commonly described is about torment, misery and punishment it's very easy for people to agree torment and torture is pretty hellish. Pretty much everyone agrees they don't want to be impaled, incinerated, etc. While what is pleasant for one may be torture to another - we have all kinds of different things we really like that others wouldn't, so it'd be difficult, at best, to describe a heaven that everyone would agree on.
There is also the fact that people are attracted to negativity - why the news is full of horrible things people do to one another and not kittens being rescued from trees.
Am i close to actual reasons, if there are any, or am I missing the mark with my speculation?
It's because those descriptions of hell are from Dante's Inferno, not the Bible.
Haha. When I was a child, I was afraid, mortified of the idea of going to hell. But also opposed to the idea of going to heaven if heaven would be a perpetual Sunday morning service where we only sit down and praise the Lord. My child self always preferred annihilation.
@@jorgepiresjunior Yeah, I never understood where the idea that heaven was only us worshipping God and never anything else came from. I would almost want to be perpetually on fire.
@DarkAdonisVyers I know there aren't and Alighieri is the most referenced and well known. That's not what I was asking. I wasn't questioning the source(s), I was wondering if my guess at _why_ descriptions of hell were so ubiquitous compared to descriptions of heaven, which are extremely rare.
@@velocibadgery haha I was right there with you and Jorge. I remember asking my pastor neighbor when I was a teenager, what was in heaven and what did you do,there? He said it was an eternity of happiness, that you'll spend eternity praising God. I was horrified and had more questions he probably didn't expect.
"God created the universe. The _entire universe_ designed everything, our DNA, the viruses that merged with our DNA and did all these things that made us who we are, exists outside of time because he knows the future, past and present. Why would he need or even want us sitting around, constantly telling him how great he is. Isn't it just a given? Wouldn't he get annoyed after a minute or two? And why is that heaven, it sounds horrible, like worse than boredo... "
He cuts me off, says we won't get bored because we'll be with God and he doesn't know the mind of God. I said," I dunno. That sounds like Stockholm syndrome."
He never mentioned religion again. I wasn't trying to be difficult, I was always trying to find out how everything worked why. Lol
"Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct."
“We kept it grey” 🧐
Requisition me a beat.
Man, it's hard being a Hellenic Pagan because whenever I want to look up something it's either Christian stuff or Percy Jackson stuff and not the original Greek.
@Jason_the_Muslim Yes, I do but not necessarily how Christians believe in their God.
Following @Jason_the_Muslim
thanks for talking about this Dan
"Nah, I'm good" - haven't heard that in a hot minute.
I’ve made similar arguments to theists who insist the Bible says all non believers will be in eternal torment and torture in hell from the moment when they die, but they also claim a judgement day where those non believers will have enternal torment ended (how can it if eternal) then be judged (again apparently) and thrown into a different eternal torment.
It makes no sense internally. And they ignore that the lake of fire they refer to is the second death, not eternal torment.
Dante has a lot to answer for regarding these notions of satan in charge of an eternal torture place. It just doesn’t line up with any of the biblical stories (and there’s a lot to chose from).
Hey quick question, in some of your older videos (specifically the TikTok compilation) you pronounce the tetragrammaton (YHWH) when the all-caps LORD is used, but in more recent videos you tend to substitute in Adonai. I was wondering if that's a conscious shift based on a specific interpretation? I know that was a practice of some scribes and early rabbis (based in part on the commandment not to use the name in vain), and is the reason that LORD (all caps) and Lord are rendered differently in some english translations. Thanks for these videos!
Does the Bible teach that getting divorced is a sin?
Living in south Florida, I know all about it... May thru Oct. It drains your soul.🥵
It must be a relief to have a good faith person to respond to in these.
What do you think about Allysa Grenfell?
Fact check. The Enochic literature doesn't only talk about Sheol as a place of punishment for angels. Also, eternal conscious punishment is not a post-biblical innovation.
You're both wrong. Gehenna is actually Gahanna, a suburb of Columbus, Ohio.
After struggling with ECT at the end of my faith and finally being on the other side, I find Jesus to be a weirdo now that all is said and done. A shame people didn’t really give any pushback to him when he says contradictory things like love your neighbor as yourself but also they deserve to have their skin burned for all of eternity if they don’t do exactly what I say.
I wonder if anyone listening to his sermons ever raised their hand and asked “hi, excuse me, but are you mental?” Did he ever stop and think to himself that it was weird that he had such a high moral standard and that god was loving yet worshiped that same god that would torture people for eternity? How are you going to sit there and tell people to forgive 77x7 times and then say “but god doesn’t have to do that, he can turn you into a piece of charcoal if he feels like it”.
I guess even a guy like Jesus who revolutionized our understanding of morality was still victim to dogmas. Or who knows what he actually said? Not like he wrote anything down, all we have are propaganda pieces written decades after and an oral tradition that probably changed over time.
Maybe he was an annihilationist, maybe even a universalist! Would be nice if he clarified things for us…
He'll tell us when he comes back, which I have been assured (for quite some time) will be very soon.
@ yeah you and the rest of Christianity for the past 2000 years…what does that say about a god that leaves the whole reason for its religion in such ambiguity?
@@NWPaul72 oh I misread you comment sorry, haha. Yes I agree, any day now…
This assumes Jesus was the person that said everything attributed to him. Even events like the Sermon on the Mount in Gospel of Matthew could be complete fiction created by the book's author to promote their own ideas. Gospel of Thomas attempts to credit Jesus with even more sayings, most of which were likely already commonly spoken at the time. If either of these sources are to be believed, Jesus didn't actually say anything in a well spoken manner, but just rattled-off a bunch of empty platitudes.
It should be said though, Sheol not being well defined in the Bible does not mean it was not well defined for its writers or readers. And those writers and readers don't include rabbinical Jews, due to the Second Temple's fall and other subsequent events they failed to inherit that cultural context.
I understood it to be Tue place where the dead went to rest. Not at all an afterlife or anything like Hell. Basically just a graveyard.
@@ShadowveilFox I imagine it's like Hades, a place where you go when you die but it's very dark and there's only a little bit of you left, so everyone there has a somber existence similar to being asleep
@holdingpattern245 That doesn't sound much different from where I live now lol
@@ShadowveilFox now that I read what I typed, it does sound similar to some accounts of depression
So Dan, what is the connection between Sheol and Gehenna?
Bart said that Jesus was talking about burning trash dump outside of Jerusalem. Watch his video about hell.
Dan, I would be curious as to your thoughts on the below. It specifically pertains to Christ's references to hell in the bible. Aren't we in danger of simply saying 'He said hell was fire and eternal punishment, but what he really meant was entirely different - so you'll be fine'. Can't we then apply that to everything else Christ said. Also happy to hear anyone else's thoughts.
If that is your way to reconcile God who is love with everlasting punishment you.need to try harder, Sodom suffered eternal fire but it is not burning today, Malachi 4:2-4 tells us the fate of the wicked and they can't be continually burning if they are ashes, God alone has immortality is another text which would be a lie if the wicked burn forever. You have been deceived however your willingness to accept a false description of God suggests that you would not be happy in His presence so you are unlikely to find out what the future for the righteous (by faith) involves unless you reconsider what you believe. Man lives by every word and not a select few is the best advice I can offer
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I do like Doug Sharpe’s videos. Though it’s good to see a correction when he occasionally gets a few things wrong.
Same!
I don't know. I believe Gehenna to be the literal Valley of Hinnom. If you look at it as the city dump that was always burning, it makes sense when Jesus speaks about the worm that does not die, and you have to imagine it would be full of maggots. Jesus talks about fearing the one who could destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. This is because the Jews believed in preserving the body, especially those who believed in the resurrection; burning the body in cremation would destroy both body and soul. Criminals who were not worthy of burial had their bodies destroyed.
I do not think the Jews of Jesus's day believed in any kind of eternal torment after life. All I can really find about modern Jewish ideas about hell is that it's a temporary thing that works like a spiritual washing machine of fire that cleanses your soul so that you can be purified. They don't see it as eternal torment.
Check out re 'rubbish dump always burning' it does look like this is an invention by later Christian writers hundreds of years after the NT. I forget when idea first appears now.
'worm that does not die' I think the consensus is Jesus referring to scripture references Jeremiah/Isaiah etc....enemies/armies killed.... so many killed 'the worms do not die'
Just like my old days as a soldier, ironing out always gets put off until the last. Heck, I’d shine my boots before I ironed my uniform. But then, I was the worst soldier I’ve ever met. 🤷🏻♂️
People who preach hell, like the idea of hell.
And that's all you need to know.
When people tell you who they are believe them.
They want people punished.
hang on a minute, I wasn't aware that Gehenna was thought of as a place of eternal conscious torment. I thought it was more a place where if your corpse was put, it would have descrased your body. Can you please post your sources, I'd like to learn more
Man you look beat. You ok?😢
His voice sounds like he might be a bit sick.
Seems sick the past few videos. Hope he’s alright.
Looks like he's got the creeping crud 😢
He looks tired right enough. Needs a wee break and to put his feet up for a bit. Then he can come roaring back with a video about appropriate use of ancient Hebrew grammar. 👍
Right wing authoritarians and Christian Nationalists are getting him down because they obstinately refuse to negotiate with the Bible the righteous way. Plus their recent political victory means Dan’s appointment to Biblical Negotiator in Chief is delayed by 4 years at least. Not an easy time for Bible negotiations right now, to say the least…
Isn't that the guy that used to go by "VenomFangX" about 10 years ago?
What happened to your voice? I thought it was Ai at first.
Sounds like he might be using backup equipment.
@@fnjesusfreak No, just tapped in as normal. Can hear him normally on other vids. Bizarre!
I'm wondering why the human sacrifices in the tophets of Hinnom were part of worship of the God of Israel and not Baal worship.
Both sad and telling how religion depends on the fear of eternal damnation for those who dare to not believe.
Also sad and telling that thinking people fall for that bullsh!t.
So wonderful that all these kind religious people would worship a god that sets up post-mortum eternal divine punishment. You are all such sweethearts.
Exactly as if the torture here wasn't enough already
@@jamesbias1200 I don't believe in sky fairies of any type. I will take the "risk" and enjoy the life I have got.
❤❤❤❤❤❤thanks Dan!!!
Hell is an ancient scientific explanation for volcanic lava flows coming out of the earth.
Something I think is strange is the dichotomy between “Greek mythology” and Jewish/ Christian theology. The OP seems to forget that what we call “mythology” was another religion, believed in just as fervently by it’s adherents as Judaism was by their neighbours, and by the time of Christianity had been practiced alongside Judaism in the area for centuries.
Can I get a Hell Yeah?
-Stone Cold Steve Austin
i been there i had a bed in hell now i get to go visit and talk to people there i do not recommend going there forever
Thanks Dan. ❤
I think also, the idea of hell is a place of fiery torment is not something that is native to Judaism again it’s focusing on the afterlife Judaism is a very practical ideology and it concerns itself with how to deal with newly evolving issues like land use, and what it means to be a nation versus a tribe
The creator you're responding to was inaccurate, but he was creating a very simplified summary, which is what he does with nearly ALL his content, religious or otherwise. There's a chance that his longer form content, unlike his "shorts" content, is less inaccurate. The most annoying thing about him is his "FUN FACT!" at the beginning of most of his shorts.
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. Proverbs 15:24.
Sheol... Is a state of consciousness.
sick shirt dude
"Nah I'm good..." 😂
I really like that guy and his channel. I subscribe to his channel, as well as yours.
I would actually like to see this guys afterlives video!!😎
The topic is too big to cover in one short. Hell in New Testament is completely different than the Old Testament, and both are completely different then what is believed today. It's possible that Hell wasn't even a constant/consist concept in Ancient Israel/Canaan either over their ~1000 years. For example, did "sheol" start off as just "graveyard" and then morphed into something more esoteric later on?
Hell is the same as sheol or used to describe a time of punishment and trails to restore equity and purity. I like the sheol meaning, which means "dirt", and going to sheol/hell is just man returning to dust. To go to hell forever is to not be raised up after death. The kingdom of heaven as the future, and immortality is us having children so we can biologically live forever.
Thank you.
I’m disappointed in that channel…I thought they were pretty reliable until now.
This is only if you assume that the historical Jesus actually said the words in the Bible.
Thanks for the perspective. Bible interpretation is all over the place. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Critiquing claims of Biblical "hell" wearing a Spawn shirt.
I thought he wasn't doing too bad in the first half. 🤷♂️
I thought he was OK during all of it. I thought it was all in good faith and what mistakes he made were just scrambling up concepts - maybe imperfectly sorting things out.
Tell me we haven't seen people a million times worse than him.
@@ballasog Yeah, I had no real issues with his video. It was a good faith attempt to present correct information, he just got a few things someone wrong or oversimplified things too much.
Never expected this guy to show up here
I love the way these people have such confidence in their mistaken interpretation of the bible. Practically bouncing off the walls with enthusiasm.
It goes to show how religion loves to scare the sh_t out of people for absolute control & obedience.
It’s the first time I’ve seen this creator do a theological short - typically his are ‘fun facts’ that are mostly actually ‘cool stories’. It does now make me question all of them now if they were all as poorly researched as this one.
I’m on the highway to hell🤘🏻👹
Dougie!
Wait a sec, child sacrifice to God of Israel not pagan deities? This is new for me
Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but in case someone else is actually surprised, the child sacrifice is mentioned in the bible in various contexts from various periods of time. Jephthah sacrificed his daughter due to nothing more than a silly promise after winning a battle. King Manasseh performed or allowed child sacrifices, but the only complaint by the earlier portions of the bible is that he did so to another god. Exodus 22:29-30 directly requires first-born child to be sacrificed. Later revisionism within the bible suggests the practice fell out of favor by the time of Babylonian exile/occupation. Ezekiel 20:25-26 tried to explain the practice away in a manner that Christians still say today for other horrors we find in the bible; the old justification that things where different back then. By Jeremiah 32:34, we see full revisionism with the outright denial of that practice was used for YHWH.
@fcsuper sory, I'm not being sarcastic. I just found out from Dan's video, because previously I only knew that child sacrifice was for Moloch. But from your explanation, it actually adds new insight and perspective, that the God of the Old Testament was truly a monster
@@dominicabimanyu161Dan has got a video on this, look it up under the Data Over Dogma podcast. Yes, there is evidence that the early Israelites practiced child sacrifice. There is also evidence that in the earliest telling of Abraham and Isaac that he did, in fact, sacrifice his son and that the story was changed later.
@@dominicabimanyu161He may cover it elsewhere but he goes into the child sacrifice in this video. There are some academic papers on this if you look in Google Scholar for child sacrifice early Judaism.
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@@OldMotherLogo So Abraham really did sacrifice Isaac... Whoa, I can't wait to tell one of the church elders. imagine how their facial expressions would change
I’m feeling very uncomfortable with what you’re saying it because while they’re working tonight religions traditions, devotions sacrifices made prior to Judaism. The seminal formative moment in Judaism is when Abraham is told to reject the concept of human sacrifice released his son and sacrifice the RAM instead. so I’m not a historian, but I did spend about 15 years studying pre-first temple in first Temple Judaism, and so Judaism really does not concern itself with the hereafter which is not even like oh you die and go there Judaism since his little as possible about to here after and the further back you go, the less is discussed about after death because the emphasis of judaism is this life not the life after death not you were put on earth to participate in some thing and that is where you should be focusing life is considered a partnership with the divine, and the work of that partnership is here on earth, making it a more just place a more merciful place those two pillars if you are Doing some thing for a reward after death, do you have a selfish motivation your motivation should be to create a just an merciful place to be partners in creation to think about reward or punishment after life is it falls short of blasphemy only because Judaism has a strong tradition that there are no stupid questions and that any question asked from a place of seriousness and sincerity is valid, but honestly, the ideas of what comes after life don’t even start to take form until Jews were exposed to these other traditions in the classical period, and then started to ask. What do we believe happens after life but I think it’s really misunderstands the theological worldview of Early Jewish thought
“Nah, I'm good.” Brutal in its simplicity.
So what do you think happens in hell according to the data. Do people really cease to exist or do they leave in eternal torment? @Dan McClellan
You gave two false choices. It is neither.
I think there are two issues with your question. First off, there may be an answer outside of your two options you give.
Second, it assumes a univocality, as if the Bible has a singular explanation for everything, ignoring that each partner had their own rhetorical goals and d purposes.
There is also a third possible issue, and that is there may not be enough data to give a definitive answer to the question.
@@Bobjdobbs So what is your view/beliefs if I may ask, about hell. I am illiterate when it comes to the bible. I just find this topic similar to the Trinity. Christians still have their different views.
@@maxwedgee9633 I believe punishment is temporary, and then we are forgiven and return to live with God. I do not believe in eternal torment.
@@Bobjdobbs I used to think of this as a possible answer too. I was brought up with the belief that if you were judged accordingly and was not found in favour of God, then youll be cast aside with the unrighteous and will die forever. Not eternal death or everlasting death, just dead, cease to exist. Because I believe that God isnt cruel to torment us and punish us for eternity.
I also agree with your view, it also shows a loving and merciful God that we worship.
King James is not the most used version lol
King james was also a wide known satanist who was allowed to make his own bible by paying them lots of gold
Dan needs a netty pot this time
Literally just saw this short lol
Ecclesiastes 9:5-Dead are aware of “ nothing”. The sacrifices of children in the valley of Hinom ( gehenna) were NOT made to the God of Israel ( who does NOT accept such) but rather to the gods of various unfaithful kings like Manasseh who along with others performed child sacrifice to Moloch ( an god but not by any means The God). And , no, there I no consciousness attributed to the permanently dead that Jesus describes a being cast into Gehenna. { although Jesus used this valley of dishonorable disposal of trash and the bodies of criminals to illustrate this concept, Gehenna is not a place, it is a state in which the person is not eligible for the resurrection and I thus permanently destroyed}.
I'd argue that sheol is the Jewish version of the underworld (haded) which is a subject I'd HIGHLY suggest someone research, specifically that concept of an "underworld" or land of the dead is consistent throughout most of not all ancient cultures. You find it in asia, mesoamerica, Mesopotamia etc etc.. the underworld itself is an allegory for this existence.. in other words, this existence is death, this is the land of the dead, we are the dead and what comes after is life.. you'll notice the Egyptians "book of the dead" is actually called "book of coming forth by day" so if "daytime " to the Egyptians is what comes after then logically this existence must be night.. or more accurately, death
From what little I know about Sheol and Hades, they certainly sound quite like the pre-Christian Norse Hel (which is of course cognate word with the English word hell). Like those, Hel is the destination for most of the dead (all who do not die in battle), not a place of punishment for the unrighteous dead. And like them, Hel is presented as gloomy, dark, damp and cold (all also qualities of a literal grave), and a dreary but basically pretty benign existence. One difference is that Hel seems physically quite a lot like the world of the living, it has houses and farms and things like that, which as far as I know is not an explicit feature of Sheol or Hades?
@GaryDunion I actually follow the Norse path so I'm very familiar with
Niflheim the Norse underworld Hel is the goddess who rules it but Niflheim and hel can be used interchangeably. The important thing to pay attention to is the mythology surrounding the underworld. More specifically ketabasis . Myths about escaping the underworld. This is usually (but not always) the common theme that is found in all the different myths.. from the Aztec hero twins to the sumerian goddess innana, the ugaritic god ba'al , the Greek persephone or Orpheus, the Chinese sun wukong, the Japanese izanagi, the Egyptian Osiris who doesn't escape the underworld he comes to rule over it .. not much is known about the ancient tradition but one thing that is known is that the mysteries of elusis were intimately tied to the mythology of persephone and demeter and her escape from the underworld. It's not some primitive attempt to explain something they didn't understand.. these myths are highly complex symbolic allegory and that is what I'm saying needs to be studied.. why no one has made the connection yet but it's all right there in plain sight
Common cold sucks!
FYI, I watch your videos religiously! 😉
in my headcanon, Dan is sitting on the toilet
You are the definition of buzz kill. “Well actually it could mean this but it could also mean this, but since I’m a knuckle head, I’m going to disagree with you and make a video that will make my religion look stupid.”
Rowan Atkin Mr Bean watch the video with Toby and welcome to hell
Thank you!! 🎉
If Hell exists anywhere, it is here on Earth, and we allow it to happen willingly
I was hoping youd get to this guy
Why does he end every video by saying "the fit in this video"? Is "fit" a synonym for "t-shirt"?
Yep, he enjoys showing off his clothes to his fellow 45-year-old male audience.
Outfit
@@ashert4918 Dan loves showing off his outfits on the internet.
@@ldr540Dan started announcing his “fits” (outfits” because people kept asking him. It is less something he loves to do, and more something that started as a fan request, and has now become part of his style.
@@Bobjdobbs I see, well that's nice of him to do it for the fans. We love Dan's cute outfits.
The Spawn shirt is appropriate
Imagine that. The original YHVH god of Israel liked human sacrifice. Wow! Who would have thought? 🤔
That was what Abraham thought.
Hey guys, I recently started negotiating with Dan's videos, and renegotiating with the Bible. I say 'renegotiating' because I'm a fellow leftie, but was raised by rightwing authoritarians and was taught to negotiate with the Bible in appalling ways as you can imagine. Does Dan offer any courses on renegotiating with the Bible from a leftwing political perspective?
Everyone ignore this dude, he’s a Poe.
@@ldr540 You are asking a theological question. Dan tries to stick to academic biblical scholarship in the courses he teaches. If you are looking for a progressive church, there are plenty. Google is your friend.
Get better Dan
Please how ?
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No god no Satan. Believe that. It's called faith. Faith that one act believes they exist no evidence that they do or ever did
The word hell comes from the Proto-Germanic feminine noun haljō, which means "concealed place, the underworld". The word haljō comes from the Proto-Indo-European root kel-, which means "to cover, conceal, save". The word hell is related to other words that come from the root kel-, such as "hall", "hole", and "hollow". Old Norse hel: Means "abode of the dead, the death goddess".
Hell is not a biblical word, and does not mean "realm of eternal punishment". There is in fact no need to fear Hell.
From Wikipedia: "...religions with reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations, as is the case in the Indian religions." It is right there in the first paragraph! Come on people. Do better.
Dan "Data over dogma, except for my personal mormon faith" McClellan
What does his faith have to do with anything? He answered the question without any bias, he could have easily brought what Mormons believe, but he chose not to and decided to stay neutral.
@user-vx4jb6jx9r the point is that he says data over dogma, but not really.
@user-vx4jb6jx9r do you mind listening to a lecture about gender and race equality by a racist and misogynist? How about a pastor who SA children? Consistency is important. McClellan talks about gender equality while supporting the misogynistic Mormon church.
@user-vx4jb6jx9r he holds Mormon beliefs, personal beliefs bleed into academic study.
@@sohu86x If you were a longtime watcher of Dan, you would know that's not the case with him. He has refuted topics that were held by both mainstream Christians and Mormons, many, many, times.
We just say Spirit Prison
Who is we?
KJV is not the original bible we don’t have the original bible as no manuscripts we have of the KJV leads back to Moses pbuh time nor is there any manuscripts of the new testament during the time of Jesus pbuh and the original Torah and original bible was given to Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh and were to only be used for that time that’s why we don’t have the original
What the "hell" is pbuh?
@@Alex_Mitchell"peace be unto him" is a formulation often used by Muslims to show respect to an important prophet of God
Rare Dan w
Its like arguing about Hogworts lol either way its just some place people made up.
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Anyone that teaches hellfire and judges people to it are not of Christ. In fact, they don't know Him at all. And we know what that means, no Son, no Father.
King James was not only gay but he was black. Back then they called it swarthy
Absolutely not. James I of England was a Stuart no question of his ethnicity. Son of Mary Queen of Scots and Lord Darnley.
There are period portraits of King James. He was pale. Definitely not black.
To quote a noted scholar, "Alright, let's see it".
@@Alex_Mitchell Google, portrait of King James.
Uh, there is some decent evidence that he may have engaged in homosexual sex, but saying he was black is totally nonsense.