DEF delete, EGR delete. Emissions delete? Yes or No
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2019
- In episode 6 of Big Rig Talk, we dive into Deleting Emissions!
Some consider this a controversial topic, so we decided to discuss this topic in depth and hope we give you a better understanding of deleting emissions, egr delete kits and why its a popular discussion among truckers.
Is deleting emissions legal?
Why do truckers delete emissions?
What are the pro's and con's of deleting emissions?
Can I still use any semi truck repair shop I want?
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06 volvo d12 egr been deleted for six years since I purchased the truck. I removed it completely off the truck. Truck runs great.
Do dealers work on your truck? I heard they won’t work on a deleted system
@@quebrown504 dealers will not work on it. So you will need someone who will.
@@quebrown504 why would you want a dealer to work on your truck unless it is brand new and under a warranty?
Did u reprogram ecm after delete?
You shouldn’t own a semi and not have some mechanical skills to work on them. I’m not a internal engine man but every thing outside the engine I can repair. Sensor,turbo,compressor,alternator,starter, radiator & DEF system, Air bags you must research and buy tools to reduce your repair cost. Learning the injector skills Volvo and Mack are different. Good Luck learning Diesel repair.
Im thinking about deleting it cuz parts associated with it are constantly breaking down. It's ridiculous.
I'm deleting mine!...sorry but the egr systems on these trucks are a friggin nightmare!!!...
How do you know if it's deleted? About to buy me a 2013 international ProStar with the maxforce 13 he said it was deleted(egr) but I put a deposit to hold the truck until next week
What do you guys recommend. I own a 2014 Mack with the mp8 . Thinking about deleting I don’t work otr just local. Also what is the preventive maintenance of keeping emission .
New as owner operators, my business partner and I are learning a lot with your channel. Honest and professional discussions on great topics to help people learn more about the trucking business. The community grows stronger this way.
Sam Verdes thank you. We appreciate it
Where is your shop at
first of all to clean the DPF that should be something free of charge especially since we truckers are abiding by the law keeping the filters in and all the expense to keep it in and keeping the air clean
2014 d13 740k miles replaced rear timing chain cover, injectors, turbo, new virgin tires all 10, rebuilt radiator cluster and many more replaced parts! What would be you guys take on this. Very clean asking 30k?
You guys were talking about something very important, but your delivery bored me to death.
I was thinking the same thing I didn't even finish watching the video I just stopped it at 6 minutes and went to the comments.
The guy with the hat was just way too slow.
Only 4 comments! Thats crazy becuase this is a great topic .
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Hey guys, I'm looking at a 2013 volvo 730 with 700k miles. One owner and leaks should I buy, and is so how do I get it checked out before buying.
Hey there. I have a 2015 Volvo VHD D13. 300k on the dump truck. Should I delete? I also have the I-shift trans.
As always great content. Your videos should definitely have much more views. Very educational. Thanks Truck Yoo!
2019
D13 . Any good programs? For def
Sounds likes it a good choice for older trucks
Thank you for your input Doug.
The principles for setting up straight pipes
How its it legal to remove the def ?? does calforinia allow trucks in with out it???
Would you recommend deleting a 2014 Mp7 with around 400k miles? Also I’m in Illinois. Love the podcast!
All MP motors will put you out of business because of emissions around 500K miles if you don’t!!!
You gentlemen should watch the podcast by the Freedom Brothers on this topic. I personally hate driving our company leased emissions compliant Mack. The engine light is on constantly, and the Mack dealer openly admits to me that they can't really diagnose some of the codes, they just throw parts at it like the doser valve and hope that fixes it! And when I plan a trip and the truck tells me it needs a parked regen, that takes an hour out of my day! I wouldn't personally delete a truck, buy glider or old truck. Also heard of guys taking a deleted truck to the dealer for a repair and the shop does an ECM update trying to fix the truck, and that removes the delete program and the truck now won't run and they can't let it leave the shop like that. Alot of the big time delete guys are out of business now I think so that's another possible problem.
Thanks Bread Man. Will check it out!
I was in a mack pinnacle with 800k miles. In the shop for emission system failure every other week. Definitely convinced me to get a glider if I go o/o.
07 freightliner columbia 14L detroit 750,000 miles
Egr delete truck runs fine no problem I wouldn’t sell it
What year was DEF implemented on Diesel Trucks so I can get a truck before those years.
2007-2008 ish
2008
But those old trucks are gonna be worn out.
Just find a good mechanic with 15 years experience and you'll be good.
Can you legally put a pre egr motor in any truck? I appreciate your channel 🙏
Any contacts ? who can do egr delete for Volvo d12 engine professionally?
I think D12 EGR delete is unnecessary. It's cheap to fix and never brakes:) if it does just swap it and you are good to go for another 10 years. thank you for watching
Honestly EGR won't give you problems with the D12 but if you choose to delete you eliminate ever having to worry about them
@Truck yoo. That's not true I have an 2007 volvo with ved12d motor and the egr valves have been my biggest problem. I have had my egr valves replaced at volvo dealer 3 times within a 2 yr period. The main issue for me is the fact that when u buy the new EGR Valves there not new there remanufactured parts so depending on the company who is rebuilding them determine how reliable the parts are. Also my buddy did a egr delete on his d12 a few years ago and his truck has been running great lower engine temp better fuel mileage and he said better over all performance he did it at 600k and he is now at 1.1 million oil sample still looking good. I plan on doing the same
Doing an overhaul on 2015 d13 Volvo with 640k miles. Like to delete the ... what’s your opinion? Will it show from the color of the exhaust fumes? Which other states check beside California
Dimitris Deligiannis we have heard IL does check too but we have not experineced it yet. As far as deleting? You will see the exhaust gasses for sure. Now it’s comming out clean. Check out how much life you have in your SCR and DPF. also make sure your harness an connections are good. Around this milage you will start having issues with electrical conections and that might cause issues around emissions.
Although I do not run into the northeast but I have it on good authority that New Jersey is quite serious about their emission checks. I also have it on good authority that a delete truck PROPERLY tuned has passed New Jersey's emissions test as low as 2%, which is in some cases 10 points BETTER than fully functional DPF systems that roll through there. New Jersey is an 18% maximum allowance on emissions, anything over that and you fail, no sticker.
kozakvod Hi any shop you recommend in NJ ?
Dimitris Deligiannis I wish I could help you. Not very familiar with shops around there.
Dimitris (201) 658-2405 his name is juan the best in north jersey
Hello im interested in buying a semi truck for many reasons, i was wondering if you had any advice for me i wont be the one driving it i want to find a driver also.
Hi Riv, have you checked out our "Before you Buy a Truck" video or podcast?
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Am down again. 3days in a roll f**** dpf and emissions system. My truck has 600k miles drove one month Monday outlet nox sensor, Tuesday, dpf pressure and on Wednesday emissions fault again.
Do you recommend drilling out the PDF in muffler or removing it completely?
I would not recommend drilling out the DPF filter. Nor removing it. Find a truck without it or if you have one already find a good shop that is able to do good diagnostics.
Do not drill. GUT. Gut out both your DPF and the SCR. Give the exhaust complete free flow. The reason is to REMOVE the heat. And when you merely drill holes in those medias you're not getting enough free flow area through the cans and ultimately all that excess heat will literally burn you in the wallet in short order. So gut both cans.
@@kozakvod that said, what happens if you block off the egr at the exhaust, intake, and do a coolant bypass. im not going to buy yet another egr cooler this time at $3800 each and it only lasting a couple years. i hate to have to delete all the emissions crap just to do this but will. 2012 Cascadia DD13
nathan campbell need help with that?
@@PSALM-144-1 already 100% blocked, gutted the egr cooler. so the intake side is welded shut and so is the exhaust side. the cooler on mine is part of the coolant header with a bolted on head on both sides. i opened it up, cut out all the exchanger guts, made stainless blind plates. reassembled. so now i just have a large area full of only coolant. the rest is 100% blocked off. usually takes the truck a day or two to throw any codes but i have all the software necessary to delete the codes. just don't know what to change to tune the egr to never try and come on. might do a full dpf delete still. i have everything needed to do so, except the knowledge of what to turn on or off.
I plan on deleting mine the most truck problems and money drainers are emissions
agreed. that's why we buy glider kits.
Does anyone what it would cost to revert a egr delete? On 2007 Volvo D12
I unplugged my egr valves over 5 years ago and truck run great on my 07 Volvo d12. Don't know if this will help
@@chrisdasher7116 Did you do anything else other than unplugging?
@@Dan-fe7rs I just made sure they were in closed position and unplugged. But when you go to diagnostic in truck it will say egr has a fault that is active but til this day truck has run good with no problem
It's it true scr one box goes bad befor 600,000 miles its cover under freightliner warranty?
Not unless you bought the warranty
I have seen trucks that the d e f was deleted. And they smoke like a freight train after they got it out the exhaust system.
Wait how much it cost to buy a dpf system? The range
Main is already deleted and now I got a fuel pump issue when I call to mechanics everyone is saying I must take it to the dealer. what is going to happen when the dealer find it out its deleted. Am I gonna get the fine here in Missouri
Legit question! If a DOT stops you and finds it has been deleted. They will give a fine and OOS.
Dealership will just not work on it. That's it.
Get an older unit that the other shops can work with and see what code your ECU is generating.
Good luck!
How did you make out ? Did the dealer work on it ?
The dealer it’s going to impound the truck know by own experience I had a 2012 cascadia I deleted it and never had any problems until the Sam cab got wet(very common) with those trucks and every dealer I called they told me the same we will install the system back it’s the law and, and I ended up selling the truck no one can program the Sam cab only freighliner
Hey guys I have a DPF delete but regen light flashes on 2016 volvo vnl
How's your truck running after 1 year delete
Just dont take it to California ....
I think even though the emissions level limits are set by CARB, tampering with an emissions device is illegal across the country. Plus, it screws with how all of the engine components have been engineered to work together, thus increasing the chance of the entire system (engine+emissions+exhaust) failing.
@@georgiapatriot4575 You have to get the appropriate diagnostic software (like Cat ET for Cat engines) and force-clear the codes after deleting because otherwise you're gonna get a ton of check engine lights.
Another informative podcast. Thanks for the content
Thanks Jeaross!!
It’s best to just delete it. My 579 costed me 12,000 in repairs and If I hadn’t deleted it, would’ve been more. 12,000 in repairs and missed out on 10,000 while waiting
I am a Company Driver for a Carrier of about 12 drivers and 10 trucks the head boss has me driving in a truck with Deleted Emissions ( its a 2014-2015 Freightliner by the way ) , what could happen to me if i get pulled over at the weigh station and checked, do i get the 10,000 ticket? or what will happen to me, ive told him about these things many times - and he always thinks am complaining about things when am not they really correspond to him not the company driver. I have 1 years experinces but most nice companys with Percentage Pay and new VNL trucks dont take drivers till there 2 years with experience. For Example fellas lets say Sebastian is making me drive one of his trucks with deleted emissions but its the only ones he has atm its not like his doing it with malicious intentions ither
You will be fine as a driver. The company will be reaponsible for it.
@@TruckYoo are you Sure I wont get any tickets Sebas? I am Literally looking for a new company liddle by liddle ( thanks for the response, I watch your videos while am On the Road, You & Jose Make sucha Great Conversations irl and Video Content. even the guests you have sucha as Paul and those Interviews Q&As are really good experiences to learn from. THANK YOU )
I've never heard of a driver being ticketed. Are you staying out of California?
Boris A. Patino Guardian R14 You’re worrying too much they won’t do anything to you as a company driver. Worst case scenario is they put the truck out of service and fine the company but chances of them finding it’s deleted is slim unless you tell them.
The weight station can not put a wrench to your truck they will never know.
Hey guys, I'm going to get in the truck business Dry Van/ Flat Bed. Tell me which truck you recommend to buy? Yes! New trucks have issues also. Old/new/ semi used?
Mechanic will always say it bad due to loss of money that they can make of def. Driver will say it good save a lot of headaches. At the end it all about dollars.. 😭
Yeah let me know when you guys are free to change my oil. Ty
look us up Era Service in Chicago. We'll help you
who here personally has been fined as a owner of the truck for a delete. no second hand he said or she said. i know a lot of deleted pickups and larger trucks on the road. some are quite obvious to anyone looking. yet i've never seen or heard of anyone other than the companies selling delete kits getting nailed.
Nathan, interesting question!
So true...everyone is doing it in the midwest no problems... the only problem was the damn dpf BS, constant problems
I personally know a mechanic who has done over 500 deletes. He has never heard of anybody getting caught or fined. But they do say stay the fuck out of California
My cousin has gotten 10 out of his 2015 freightliner DD15
10?
@@flowmaster2010 10mpg
10 ? 10 what . . . ???
the gassoline nowadays is so CLEAN plus those cars that have this emmission are disappearing faster and faster the emmisssion equipmen is Outdated and never really worked!!!!
Is that true?
@@MrWisdom79 Well we are seeing many states and cities do away with emissions testing, or at least scaling back smog checks significantly.
@@electric7487 I think people got it twisted as to WHY many states/cities are doing away with emissions testing... They aren't doing away with it because emissions equipment doesn't work - they are doing away with it BECAUSE cars/trucks with working emissions systems DON'T get above emissions requirements.... IF EVERY NEW VEHICLE PRODUCED IS MEETING OR EXCEEDING EMISSISONS STANDARDS - THEN THERE IS NO NEED TO CHECK THEM ANYMORE...
What about egr in older gas vehicles? like my 89 f150 4.9l?
You ask questions, let him answers
Too bad we can't just pass the additional cost directly through the tofu supply chain to the lefties that insisted on these regulations. I'm not a trucker, but I curse the environmental nutjubs every time I throw away a lawnmower carburetor because of crappy gas and tiny porting that gets blocked due to designs for improved emissions. I've see tons of complaints from truckers, farmers, diesel pickup owners, and excavating companies about the cost of dealing with diesel emissions problems.
I'm going to call you guys out. What you guys just said pisses me off. You concentrated on what's bad about it but skimmed over the pros of DPF delete.
From first hand experience. When replacing the SCR. You have to replace the DPF filters along with it. That WILL cost you $13,000USD. All this crap stems to one point. The temperature at the EGR is different at the pipe. You're done and you just lost 2 weeks of dispatch. Especially when you have to figure out the point of issue.
Seriously guys, do your homework before posting a podcast.
What if you bought a truck from the dealer that was already deleted? As a matter of fact they advertised it as deleted???
No dealer will ever sell it like that. They do and their dealer is shut down within 24 hrs
@@admirpetrovic4273 not true
Farm use
How much do you charge to change my oil?
just reach out to our shop. Look for Era Service in Chicago
Is it illegal to delete it?
Technically, but who’s going to check.
@@One.Six92 if some government agency figures out how to get enough money from it, eventually THEY will check it with the threat of force against you if you don't comply. (But we live in a free country).
This is like watching paint dry.
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I always loved Volvos but im just afraid of buying one.
What is stopping you?
@@TruckYoo afraid because they're known for having lots of issues and expensive to fix, on the other hand i could say that i drove Volvos and Scanias back home for so many years and i have nothing bad to say, including emissions, back home they are waaaaay ahead when it comes to trucks+emissions = reliability.
I been an owner op for the last 15 yrs driving a Freightshaker but lately i keep thinking about a newer truck and yes i love Volvos, but im between a Pete 579 O/O spec or a kw as i pull a flatbed but not sure yet on that step i guess ill run that shaker till it dies on me as it has 1 million miles as we speak.
Not clear. Very hard to understand these speakers that are talking. They are talking over each other and not to us in the audience.
DPF filter cleaning with hot pressure washer and Compressed air for what $100 ...Suggested 400K miles.. .you can do that every 50K miles with 0-1% annual loss.... F*cking over the environment yeah... NO COST?
JeeZ I would buy 100 HOT Pressure washer and spead 'em proportionally to maximize 99% Contagious-US coverage.... with some experienced tech guys... should be done within 60minutes
DPF-delete dips should apply for vasectomy before hand ! this is the #actual #DieselGate
BOTH DUDES HAVE NO Common knowledge DPF system If you do it delete the right way everything will work out you have to reprogram your computer and shut certain things off So that the DPF delete works perfect Making holes in the DPS filter makes no sense Good luck
YEAH THIS B*LLSH!T ... then a GODDAMN 2.0L VW TDI gets hustled!!! PLEEEEEESE!
They vato in the hat makes this channel suck!
Just needs to get straight to the issues and speed up he's info
The guy with the hat made the video so boring, Seems like the other guy wanted to get on the topic.
Deleting means you are not welcome to California. Here starting 2020. CHP. Is hangry for those smarter truckers...
California could fall off into the ocean and most of the US wouldn’t miss it. Had a truck company for years and only sent trucks there twice
i only do business with american states. cali is not part of the USA as far as im concerned.
@@nathan00campbell
Not doing business with a #4 economy in the world, and the #1 in US. You are out of business.
@@JesusSanchez-fn3ku being doing just fine the last 9 years. cali is not needed or wanted. not until they join the actual usa and start giving a damn about rights of the people, the constitution, and dropping their communitist ways.
Jesus Sanchez Yeah, Cali can suck it... and if they seceded, it genuinely would not affect the US in a bad way at all
I think this guy have the covid virus!