5:08 “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” John 3:5 KJV Then Apolgia thinks their beliefs are the only “Biblical” ones
Great eisegesis😅 Praying for your discernment, bc you are obviously mishandling Gods Word😢 The verse you plucked out of context has nothing to do with baptism!
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 Ezekiel 36:25-27 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. God promises to purify, give a new heart and spirit, and empower those people to walk in obedience to His commandments. How many people does this actually happen with? So many people are self proclaimed and worldly saved; lacking any evidence, product, brought into being from a genuine, strong faith. Lukewarm faith fails to save both the baptized and the unbaptized. God replaces people's hard hearts with hearts of flesh that are humble and eager to obey him. Baptism is a sacrament. There are seven. Faith alone Will save. Genuine, strong faith.
Luke 9:49-50 says, "Those who aren't against me are for me," jesus teaches his prejudiced apostles about religious tolerance and respect. You should learn it by reading your "bible". Also, note that the native Americans themselves are releasing their records. They back the Book of Mormon. The nemenhah records (book, second complete edition) and the ojibwe nation shared there's (the birch bark scrolls), which are undergoing translation now. (Ironically, the lds church had rejected them despite their affirmation of the Book of Mormon).
But is your personal LDS faith really based on the historical accuracy of the BoM? It is not based on your testimony of reading it, since we do not have proof thereof? Thus why didn't the early Apostles know the BoM gospel? Did Jesus in the NT say that He was about to head off to the Americas to minister or acknowledge the existence of Nephites/Lamanites? Why does the supposed discovery of golden plates imply that JS gets to form a church with absolute authority? Y'all say that all non-LDS Christian baptisms don't count. Why make it even harder for people to believe in your gospel? Do you not think it is easier to believe in the Bible than the BoM which requires you to read it through and gain testimony on something you can never be convinced by historicity? Is it not easier to believe in the NT which, while not 100% provable, is at least written by apostles and scribes only a few decades after Christ's resurrection? The truth is, you MUST gain a testimony of the Bible before the BoM even if you are LDS. Knowledge of Christ by the Roman era Jews precedes that by the Nephites/Lamanites. And if you read Paul's letters, you will know that the teachings of works and ordinances as a requirement to salvation is incorrect. An even more obvious issue is the cosmological/metaphysical teachings in the LDS church. Do you really believe God was once a man, or that there are other gods? God is the alpha and the omega, Christ is His firstborn (heir) and by whom all is created. There is nothing above God. If God used to be a man, what is existence? What is reality? Who created God? Who is the absolute "above all"? No one!!! There is only God "outside of" existence (the universe, space and time, any hypothetical parallel universes, the heavens (the unknown which is above earth) and earth)! If Christ is not God, what was the purpose of the atonement? Why did God send a proxy to atone for our sins, rather than Himself? Since we are all children of God (including Jesus and according to LDS doctrine of pre-mortality), and some of us have sacrificed ourselves throughout history to protect God's glory, is Jesus' atonement no more significant than such mortal sacrifices? Then why worship Him and not Paul? Why not worship Isaiah? What's the purpose of angels if they can just be gods? I love all my LDS friends. I have faith that they may be saved. But that is not because of the LDS church, but their personal, individual faith which is genuine. I believe they are doing a lot of extra work, and I cannot guarantee the consequences of having the false belief of God once being a man. The idea of continuing revelation is backed by the false doctrine that Jesus isn't God. In that case, sure, keep on prophesying. But Jesus is Lord and He already taught us salvation. There is no need to spread additional doctrines nor to negate any that abide Christ's teachings in the NT, which is in fact disrespectful to Christ. You made it seem like He came purposeless for 1800 years. The other comment that quoted Romans 4:4 is everything needed to affirm that faith is what saves us, and good works is the outward manifestation of it (James 2). Faith is not merely the acknowledgement of God's existence, but the obedient heart that follows. It is not true that Protestants don't value good works.
Luke 9:49-50 Isn't about religious tolerance. There is no religion mentioned in that prooftext. Jesus is showing them to recognize who is on their team while correcting their exclusivity. There's a fine line between who's against Jesus and for Jesus. It's not simply whoever says, "I'm not against Jesus." There are many unbelievers who say that but does that mean they are FOR him? No. In Matthew 12:30 Jesus says, "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad." It's very important that we understand who Jesus really is to know if we are for him. If someone were worshiping a toaster oven that they believed was Jesus does that mean they are for him? I'll leave you with some more food for thought. Jesus says this in Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
It depends on what you mean by the word totally different. If my dad and I run a construction business together and we agree 100% on everything, or in other words what one would do, that is what the other would do, then they are not totally different people. Even if you have different personalities that is totally ok. But if one builds the same way as the other, or they both have the exact same idear of what is right and wrong in how to run the business, it wouldn’t matter who you talked to because you would get the same answer. They aren’t totally different, in fact as far as the business goes, they are totally the same. So if you want to make the point that they are two different persons it would be good to point out from our perspective that in every other way, they are one. And as Christ said in His intercessory prayer, He wants us to be one with Him, as He is one with God the Father.
How can you still preach this after Travis completely debunked you in your interaction with him? I would highly recommend you go and watch the video between you and him on his channel again.
You express ignorance, yet attempt to offer council. What would a more direct approach accomplish? Would a more direct approach help anyone to have spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear? Does a more direct approach plant the seed any better? Is salvation for ourselves, and others, somehow dependent on what we can do and how we do it?
@@mikhailyaremkiv Thus far, you've avoided answering any of the questions. Why is that? What does being sad have to do with anything? Where's that direct approach you crave so much? Let's have it. ;-)
40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved. Mormons believe that you must come unto Jesus Christ or you can’t be saved 👀 Isn’t that crazy 👀 Wow so edgy 👀
Which Jesus Christ? The Jesus Christ that had a beginning as spiritual offspring of Heavenly Father, and is spiritual brother of Satan? OR the Jesus Christ that has no beginning or end and created Satan.
@@mattmcintosh4337 Mosiah 3: 17 And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent. I know of only one Christ- and that is Jesus of Nazareth. D&C 93: 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am; Maybe we should focus on following him and one day when we see him we can ask him these theological questions. I don't see the importance of making the 'other jesus' argument. There's only one Jesus Christ. If we can agree on that, then we can have a discussion on what to believe about Jesus Christ. But I believe he exists and I believe he is worth following.
@@nathansilva9501he could've taken it a step further in honesty by making it known LDS worship a false Jesus that's the spirit brother of Lucifer or Satan when the Biblical Jesus is the Creator of all things and not a created being by "heavenly Father" which you guys believe... Fundamentally different in nature and a different Jesus. Not at all the same nor a Jesus that saves...
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Romans 4:4
"Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due."
5:08 “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5 KJV
Then Apolgia thinks their beliefs are the only “Biblical” ones
Great eisegesis😅 Praying for your discernment, bc you are obviously mishandling Gods Word😢 The verse you plucked out of context has nothing to do with baptism!
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 Ezekiel 36:25-27 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
God promises to purify, give a new heart and spirit, and empower those people to walk in obedience to His commandments. How many people does this actually happen with? So many people are self proclaimed and worldly saved; lacking any evidence, product, brought into being from a genuine, strong faith. Lukewarm faith fails to save both the baptized and the unbaptized. God replaces people's hard hearts with hearts of flesh that are humble and eager to obey him. Baptism is a sacrament. There are seven. Faith alone Will save. Genuine, strong faith.
@@jesuschristiskingofkingslo2023 what does it refer to?
Can anyone here answer this simple question, please? What happens to someone who dies and never accepted Jesus Christ as their savior? [A Nonbeliever]
Luke 9:49-50 says, "Those who aren't against me are for me," jesus teaches his prejudiced apostles about religious tolerance and respect. You should learn it by reading your "bible".
Also, note that the native Americans themselves are releasing their records. They back the Book of Mormon. The nemenhah records (book, second complete edition) and the ojibwe nation shared there's (the birch bark scrolls), which are undergoing translation now. (Ironically, the lds church had rejected them despite their affirmation of the Book of Mormon).
But is your personal LDS faith really based on the historical accuracy of the BoM? It is not based on your testimony of reading it, since we do not have proof thereof? Thus why didn't the early Apostles know the BoM gospel? Did Jesus in the NT say that He was about to head off to the Americas to minister or acknowledge the existence of Nephites/Lamanites? Why does the supposed discovery of golden plates imply that JS gets to form a church with absolute authority? Y'all say that all non-LDS Christian baptisms don't count. Why make it even harder for people to believe in your gospel? Do you not think it is easier to believe in the Bible than the BoM which requires you to read it through and gain testimony on something you can never be convinced by historicity? Is it not easier to believe in the NT which, while not 100% provable, is at least written by apostles and scribes only a few decades after Christ's resurrection? The truth is, you MUST gain a testimony of the Bible before the BoM even if you are LDS. Knowledge of Christ by the Roman era Jews precedes that by the Nephites/Lamanites. And if you read Paul's letters, you will know that the teachings of works and ordinances as a requirement to salvation is incorrect.
An even more obvious issue is the cosmological/metaphysical teachings in the LDS church. Do you really believe God was once a man, or that there are other gods? God is the alpha and the omega, Christ is His firstborn (heir) and by whom all is created. There is nothing above God. If God used to be a man, what is existence? What is reality? Who created God? Who is the absolute "above all"? No one!!! There is only God "outside of" existence (the universe, space and time, any hypothetical parallel universes, the heavens (the unknown which is above earth) and earth)!
If Christ is not God, what was the purpose of the atonement? Why did God send a proxy to atone for our sins, rather than Himself? Since we are all children of God (including Jesus and according to LDS doctrine of pre-mortality), and some of us have sacrificed ourselves throughout history to protect God's glory, is Jesus' atonement no more significant than such mortal sacrifices? Then why worship Him and not Paul? Why not worship Isaiah? What's the purpose of angels if they can just be gods?
I love all my LDS friends. I have faith that they may be saved. But that is not because of the LDS church, but their personal, individual faith which is genuine. I believe they are doing a lot of extra work, and I cannot guarantee the consequences of having the false belief of God once being a man. The idea of continuing revelation is backed by the false doctrine that Jesus isn't God. In that case, sure, keep on prophesying. But Jesus is Lord and He already taught us salvation. There is no need to spread additional doctrines nor to negate any that abide Christ's teachings in the NT, which is in fact disrespectful to Christ. You made it seem like He came purposeless for 1800 years. The other comment that quoted Romans 4:4 is everything needed to affirm that faith is what saves us, and good works is the outward manifestation of it (James 2). Faith is not merely the acknowledgement of God's existence, but the obedient heart that follows. It is not true that Protestants don't value good works.
Luke 9:49-50 Isn't about religious tolerance. There is no religion mentioned in that prooftext. Jesus is showing them to recognize who is on their team while correcting their exclusivity. There's a fine line between who's against Jesus and for Jesus. It's not simply whoever says, "I'm not against Jesus." There are many unbelievers who say that but does that mean they are FOR him? No. In Matthew 12:30 Jesus says, "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad." It's very important that we understand who Jesus really is to know if we are for him. If someone were worshiping a toaster oven that they believed was Jesus does that mean they are for him?
I'll leave you with some more food for thought. Jesus says this in Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
It depends on what you mean by the word totally different. If my dad and I run a construction business together and we agree 100% on everything, or in other words what one would do, that is what the other would do, then they are not totally different people. Even if you have different personalities that is totally ok. But if one builds the same way as the other, or they both have the exact same idear of what is right and wrong in how to run the business, it wouldn’t matter who you talked to because you would get the same answer. They aren’t totally different, in fact as far as the business goes, they are totally the same. So if you want to make the point that they are two different persons it would be good to point out from our perspective that in every other way, they are one. And as Christ said in His intercessory prayer, He wants us to be one with Him, as He is one with God the Father.
How can you still preach this after Travis completely debunked you in your interaction with him? I would highly recommend you go and watch the video between you and him on his channel again.
I wish you guys were just a little bit more direct but my experience in this work is very limited.
You express ignorance, yet attempt to offer council. What would a more direct approach accomplish? Would a more direct approach help anyone to have spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear? Does a more direct approach plant the seed any better? Is salvation for ourselves, and others, somehow dependent on what we can do and how we do it?
@@Liberty4AllGVT you sound like a sad man/woman and reading your comment makes me sad.
@@mikhailyaremkiv How so?
@@mikhailyaremkiv Why didn't you just say person?
@@mikhailyaremkiv Thus far, you've avoided answering any of the questions. Why is that? What does being sad have to do with anything? Where's that direct approach you crave so much? Let's have it. ;-)
You have nothing to offer that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints don’t already have.
You are 100% correct. We dont. But Christ does.
Christians can offer the truth of the gospel as outlined clearly in scripture
The lds church doesn't have the true Jesus. They have Lucifer's spirit brother.
40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.
Mormons believe that you must come unto Jesus Christ or you can’t be saved 👀
Isn’t that crazy 👀
Wow so edgy 👀
Which Jesus Christ?
The Jesus Christ that had a beginning as spiritual offspring of Heavenly Father, and is spiritual brother of Satan? OR the Jesus Christ that has no beginning or end and created Satan.
@@mattmcintosh4337 the one that exists
@@Thomas-vb4bu Which Jesus is that though.. the one that created Satan or the one that is brothers with him?
@@mattmcintosh4337 Mosiah 3: 17 And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.
I know of only one Christ- and that is Jesus of Nazareth.
D&C 93: 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
Maybe we should focus on following him and one day when we see him we can ask him these theological questions. I don't see the importance of making the 'other jesus' argument. There's only one Jesus Christ.
If we can agree on that, then we can have a discussion on what to believe about Jesus Christ. But I believe he exists and I believe he is worth following.
you gotta do better eric lmao
Let’s see you go out there and do what he’s doing
@@jakepayne8522 misrepresent the other person’s beliefs and poorly and disonestly making claims?
@@nathansilva9501 So you’re Mormon….
@@nathansilva9501he didnt do any of that, you need to repent!
@@nathansilva9501he could've taken it a step further in honesty by making it known LDS worship a false Jesus that's the spirit brother of Lucifer or Satan when the Biblical Jesus is the Creator of all things and not a created being by "heavenly Father" which you guys believe... Fundamentally different in nature and a different Jesus. Not at all the same nor a Jesus that saves...