@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Yeah, I'mma have to disagree on that point. TLJ was a different *kind* of terrible, but I'd put TFA slightly above TLJ. TLJ did a great deal to fix Rey (she's no longer stepping on everyone else's toes the way she did with Han), and it at least *tried* to give Finn something to do, but introducing the bad guys as comic relief from the get-go was *not* the right move, and the handling of the fleet chase was extremely weak. It was still significantly better than the Frankenstein that was Rise of Skywalker. That movie basically got hammered by the flaws of both of its predecessors.
Paramount and CBS didn't exactly do themselves any favors with an already alienated audience when they also choose, about this same time, to sue Star Trek fan films. Fan films which a segment of the community felt was far more "Star Trek" than current Star Trek. It doesn't really matter which side of the fence you are on when it comes to whether or not you feel they were justified in doing so. When you're banking on getting a big audience for a property with a known niche clientele maybe it's not such a great idea to anger a segment of that group, keeping them from coming to see said property in the theater.
@@chavesa5 That's not what Peters was being sued for. It's pretty common for fan films to make money - _Star Trek: Continues_ made money, sold merch, and paid people wages, just like _Axanar_ was doing. Peters was sued explicitly for copyright infringement just for _using_ the IP, whether or not he was making money off of it. Now, disclaimer, I really don't care for Peters or the _Axanar_ project. The fact it's raised MILLIONS and the project STILL isn't finished after many *years* is just pathetic. Then there's the seemingly endless string of legal battles that Peters compulsively engages in, not to mention the massive amount of behind-the-scenes conflict between Peters and the fellow cast and crew. I'm just pointing out that him making money isn't why CBS sued him, nor was it out of the ordinary for fan films to make money.
I didn't like Star Trek 2009 and I hated Into Darkness. But Beyond impressed me to no end. It was a pretty great movie. Too bad Pegg and Lin didn't get the chance to continue from that point.
It's not only my favorite of the Kelvin movies, its in my top 5 Trek movies. I've seen every Kelvin Timeline thing (movies, comics, books, and games), and am very sad that it probably won't get another film. I hope that the adventures of the Kelvin Crew will continue, whether on film, in comics or in books.
The saddest part is this film really did deserve better. Like many I thoroughly unwowed by the trailer and only saw it in the theater as part of a family outing. It has its niggles to be sure but I walked out very happy and wishing it had been this rather than Into Darkness that had been the follow up to the first reboot trek. The actors were all on point. The story was solid. It balanced humor and action well and managed to get a reaction out of me seeing the Enterprise get trashed for the umpteeth time. I even liked the new character it introduced and, as a good entry in a series should, left me wanted more. It did what a reboot should do: remind you of the good the original had while spicing things up for a new age and audience. It hurts to know that the future is so uncertain just as it seemed they were hitting their groove and getting it right.
Well now this is a surprise, but you are in chaos mode after all. Beyond is easily the best of the Kelvin trilogy. Sure it deserves some of its flack for still continuing some of the “flaws” of its two predecessors but at the same time Beyond did have a sense to being closer to good in that it gave us a good reason and pathos to care about the characters. Pine Kirk also started be more closer to a proper leader and captain rather than Captain Jerk Beerpong in Into Darkness.
Despite being a Star Trek fan, I couldn't even bring myself to see that movie. It's the only Star Trek movie I haven't seen. What was the point after Into Darkness?
+Pio Nepomuceno Agreed. I didn't mind ST 2009, but I was heavily disappointed in the lack of improvement and lazy and uninteresting rehash that ST: ID used. It took me till 2020(!) before I dared to check out Beyond. I cannot express how refreshing it was to see Kirk as an actual leader, and I adored how Sulu was showing characteristics as the Next Great Captain, just like how Takei's Sulu was one of the most charismatic Star Trek captains of the '90s. I don't watch Star Trek for the rush of special effects, but as long as it isn't used to cover up poor plot, I don't mind it either. Beyond proved to me that the reboot cast was fine, but it also makes me sad that all the elements that clicked in this movie, could just as easy improved the earlier Star Trek reboot movies, just by showing them earlier in the trilogy. I can accept blockbuster Star Trek, but at-least show us the elements that made low-budget movies like ST2 and ST6 the unforgettable movies they where.
@@Edax_Royeaux The cast is legitimately good. Pegg really made an effort to include everyone (which even the older films usually failed to try to care to think about doing). I enjoyed it for them more than for the plot. And the film feels very different from Into Darkness whenever the characters just get scenes to bicker, like the old days.
@@Edax_Royeaux Watch Beyond, just ignore the movies before it. Beyond is basicaly a big budget shuttle crash episode like we often have gotten in Tos or Voy.
"The thought of pairing the Star Trek TV shows and movies again" immediate reaction: Oh neat seconds later: Oh... Discovery... I briefly forgot it existed and got excited...
I think the core problem of Paramount's handling of the Kelvin movies was taking both the casual and Trek audiences for granted. The delayed time for both sequels pissed away a lot of the momentum the first film brought, and Beyond was always going to struggle to stand out in a film landscape increasingly dominated by the MCU and other shared universe attempts. Moviegoers who enjoyed the flash bang zoom and funny dialogue emphasis of Abrams Trek had far more options now than they did in 09 and the positive associations people had with the first two films largely faded by the time Beyond came out. The delays meant it had to rely on hardcore fans to buoy it up, which leads into the other miscalculation If Paramount assumed Trek fans could sustain the film, the one two punch of Into Darkness' questionable story choices and awful marketing of Beyond effectively killed any a great deal of the possible fan excitement there could have been for it. With the studio focusing on just getting the film done and out on time, they did virtually nothing to assuage the increasing skepticism and criticism long time fans had about the franchise. The infamous Beastie Boys teaser even seemed to scream that Paramount couldn't even be bothered to try and appeal to core fans in something basic like marketing. Thus Beyond under performed, coming too late for moviegoers once excited for JJTrek, and having too little appeal for fans unconvinced it would be any different from films they were lukewarm about to begin with.
I would say the problem with Into Darkness was more waiting 4 years to release it after the first film. The iron went cold and the general audiences they had picked up in 2009, forgot about it and went elsewhere. If they had released it during 2011, I think it would have enjoyed far larger success. (At least in terms of box office.)
It doesn't help that there is so much stuff and so little time as well. The event entertainment days are more or less over and even a big hit is going to be with a smaller Audience and for a much shorter period of time. Movies being a thing for years ala Star Wars isnt happening. Maybe a few weeks leading to it, a couple after, then possibly a month timeframe around the DVD release. (Plus or minus a little for Disney Disney stuff.)
Star Trek Beyond is not only the best of the reboot Star Trek films, it might even be my favorite Star Trek film. Yes, Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and First Contact are all great, but a large part of what makes them great ties into the rest of the series and our investment in the characters built up over the years (which is why it's such a crime that the DS9, Voyager and Enterprise crews never got their own feature films) while Beyond stands on a smaller stage and so has a bigger impression.
Beyond for me is like a big budget Shuttle crash episode. Which is one of the most Star Trek settings you can get. On top of that it respects Treks past and its plot centers around the main themes and ideals of Star Trek. The characters are also on point. As a trekkie there is nothing more I could ask for in a movie.
Yeah anyone who thinks an intolerant shithole with blasphemy laws and open slavery is the future need's their head examined. But that cult seems to get a free pass from everyone nowadays.
How that man still has a career is beyond me. Rember he was asking all none kelvin timeline star trek merchandise be removed so as not to compete with his?
4:30 -ish... I feel like Orci isn't the solo conspiracy nut in that writing room, considering what we've seen from Kurtzman's STD and STP. I'd say he's rubbish, but even rubbish was usual at some point.
I was unsure about this film when I went to see it. The first 2 Kelvin films had utterly annoyed me and I'm the generation they were aimed at. However I quickly changed my mind 5 minutes in when Beyond featured an actual captain's log. And went on to be basically a suped up episode of the original series.
I was nervues going into this movie as well, the trailers looked horrible. But the movie quickly won me over and is actually one of the few movies I watched multiple times on the big screen.
I cannot possibly concur more with your assessment and opinions on this film. (Also: you are awesome in the extreme, good sir! Sorry I haven't responded sooner.)
To me, the best Trek movie since VI, but still unfocused, still more of an action movie than a movie about the kinds of ideas Trek could do so well once upon. I mean, I'll take it, but it was further proof that Trek doesn't work at this level. You NEED to make $500 million or more, just to break even, then you're stretching your story too thin. Trek works best on a TV level. Even the best movies feel more like TV shows. And that's fine.
Star Trek has always been an action franchise from its beginnings. But the action, hopefully, floats on deeper themes. As a TV show, it has bottle-episodes, some of them very good, where people mostly talk to each other but that's far from the majority of episodes. Kirk can talk a computer to death and sympathize with an antagonist, but he's good for a few drop-kicks and judo throws too 😉
Easily the best of the new movies. A few issues with it, like the 'cool' scenes being a tad cringy and the bad guy not being fleshed out enough, but still quite enjoyable. And it fixes Kirk. Pity it didn't do well.
I actually really like Into Darkness, because it gave us the Vengeance Class and it shows that Praxis is already broken ( _which I think was because of Nero_ ) which again furthers the differences between Kelvin Timeline and regular like, what more strange things will we see here? But Beyond is the movie where the actors are so very much clearly the most comfortable in their roles. I also really really liked the USS Franklin and it's similarities ( _there used to be an image that compared a shot of USS Franklin and Spock holding a phaser to the Enterprise NX Class and Mr. Reed holding a phase pistol_ ) to the NX Class. And even though Elba is a great actor, I found the motivations of the villain in Beyond... very very flawed and very stupid. The way I see it, he blames the Federation for his own inability to cope and change. I would had at least accepted him changing in the end and doing a redeeming heroic sacrifice but no, not even that we got. Instead he doubles down with an animalistic scream and then looses. So hearing you say this that I had no idea about.... Doesn't unfortunately change my view on the villain at all. He's still very weak in my eyes. At least Khan had a motivation, as did Nero. Both which were explored more in comics.. Is there any comic about pre-Beyond adventures of the Franklin? Anyone know? It'd be interesting to read that if there are! PS. I really do not like the 'Kirk song'. They should had gone with Magic Carpet Ride imo.
@@ranwolf1240 he was also under the effects of some alien influence, Kahn in every incarnation was ridiculously shortsighted and stupid, Nero also lacked any sort of rationality for his actions. in total all three villains have basically the same motivation, a shallow yet obsessive to the point of self destruction resentment towards people that really have nothing to do with their predicament. Kahn could have been more patient in Space seed, began inserting himself into this new society and building a new empire the proper way. And no, the federation would not imprison him or his people. Not for crimes they were convicted of by a long defunct set of governments. In WoK he had a powerful starship and the open galaxy at his disposal, with the potential for an even greater revenge on Kirk if he had any vision at all.
@@DrewLSsix Nero's motivation is shown in the comic, but that's the issue there it was a comic. Not to mention the deleted scenes that would had explained to a lot of people what Nero was doing for _20 years_ . And Khan well, that's Khan for you. Brags about being a super human but as Spock says, his thinking is 2 Dimensional. But this one in Beyond is like " _The Federation sent us out here, blararargh we hate the Federation they make you weak!_ ", it's nothing others in novels haven't said before in different and more intricate ways but.. I'd just want to know more about him.
I can confirm how hard and fast my interest in the movie dropped to zero after watching the beastie boys trailer. I get after watching the film how it's connected but without the context it was a huge turn off. Even remember the dislike bar for the video being pretty big at the time with everyone else complaining about it.
And Pegg was pissed they'd used the song in the trailer as it kind of spoiled the scene in the movie. Maybe directors should have a bit more say in what goes into the trailers. At least a veto for certain scenes. But the studios are unlikely to give it to them.
Beyond was so good, but yeah, I think Into Darkness might have taken the wind out of it's sails. Beyond deserved better because it IS better. It really felt like Trek
I feel really bad for not seeing this in theaters and thinking it would be a dumb action movie bastardizing Star Trek. When I finally watched it on blu-ray I was surprised and really happy to find Beyond is the best Trek movie on the Kelvin Timeline. It actually felt more like a genuine Star Trek movie compare too the other 2 movies.
It is so frustrating that the best film of the new trilogy was a flop no one went to see. Heck, I'd probably rank it higher than all but Star Trek 2 & 6, and in the same ballpark as 4 and First Contact.
I first saw the fast trailer footage of the USS Franklin on my little phone screen, and I thought it was the NX-01 (clearly, it's stylistically inspired by the same). And while I absolutely love the movie, I'm a little disappointed that they couldn't make that happen.
Star Trek Beyond finally drops all pretends of the movies being overly long music videos by having the ship surf a wave of explosions while the Beasty Boys play.
Finding a technical solution is a verry star trek thing to do. And Music is used by real armys for jamming radio frequencies, for example the Royal Navy used to play Britney Spears to jam signals. In that way the beasty boys scene is a really nice tribute to real live technology.
@@zafranorbian757 Yeah and the Polish used to jam Soviet radio frequencies with recitations of the Holy Bible in the Polish-Soviet War, but can we honestly say that's Star Trek? Gene Roddenberry would have thrown a conniption.
@@Edax_Royeaux no, he wouldnt have. but even if he did... who gives a fuck? most of the good trek ever produced has been directly against his will, do you shun Wrath of Kahn because Gene hated the film?
I watched the review and now want a Kinos Journey style Star Trek show. Instead of new countrys in every story, you would have new Panets. And instead of a talking Motorbile you couold have a scentient space ship AI.
I've heard the new Trek properties called "cargo cult" Trek. The people making them want all the wealth Star Trek brought in the past, but they don't understand what Trek is and so have thrown together something that superficially looks like Star Trek in hopes that wealth will follow. To me the problem is that modern writers. They're fast, they know formulaic process and grammar and that's it. The only time you hear about rewrites is when executives demand rewrites. Any writer worth their ink rewrites as a matter of self respect, respect for their work, and respect to their audience. If you think you can put out worthwhile work in a single draft - you are a hack.
I loved Beyond and its deconstruction. The Axanar incident didn't help matters, as the resultant restrictions in fan film production made it seem that the 50th Anniversary was beginning with Paramount giving a metaphorical middle finger to a good chunk of the fanbase. Like SF Debris mentioned, Paramount was suddenly I'll equipped to celebrate the 50th Anniversary compared to previous anniversaries (e.g., Star Trek IV for the 20th, Star Trek VI for the 25th, Trials and Tribble-ations for the 30th, arguably Enterprise for the 35th)
I liked 09 and half of ID, but with this one they seemed to finally move into a direction where the Kelvin universe could stand on its own. The characters stopped being exaggerated caricatures and felt like the original crew again. Unfortunately, despite all the talk of challenging the core values of the Federation and adding depth to the villain, Krall felt disappointingly one dimensional, spewing empty phrases rather than actually challenging the notions of the Federation. Coupled with some of the over the top action scenes that didn't feel right for Trek and ultimately it fell somewhat short of it's promise. Still a very enjoyable movie, but it could've been even better.
I would recommend it. Just pretend all reboot movies before this never happened. It is basically a good old shuttlecrash episode but with a bigger budget. There are also some great Enterprise callbacks.
@@Thraim. That is fair. I can understand the hesitation as the other reboot films range from bland and unimaginative to downright insulting. But if Chucks revire is good enough for your liking give the movie a try.
@AdalRoderick The 2009 film had a similar effect on me; when _Into Darkness_ came out I waited for cable, and was glad I did. I gave _Beyond_ a chance only after friends persuaded me that JJ Failbrams had not been involved in either the writing or the direction of the third film. I was pleasantly surprised. _Beyond_ is certainly no _Undiscovered Country,_ never mind _Wrath of Khan;_ but I'd say it's about on par with _First Contact,_ _Search for Spock,_ or _Voyage Home._ It's a pity it had to follow the abominable _Into Darkness,_ which probably hurt its box office take at least as much as Paramount's anemic marketing campaign and counter-productive attacks on the fan base.
AdalRoderick Beyond was best of the reboot. I never really liked the reboot to begin with, but Beyond was a positive suprise. Not a good movie, but when compared to 09 Trek and Into Darkness, it was lightyears ahead of those two.
I'm pretty sure Pegg didn't have that good of a relationship with the Star Trek fandom, as he literally said 'Fuck you!' to fans who hated Into Darkness.
I think the advertising wasn't helped by showing them destroying the Enterprise. I still strenuously object with that decision in terms of the plot, but to show in the very first trailers that they're ripping the cool ship apart made me have a very strong reaction to the movie. I saw it anyways and enjoyed it in spite of that decision. It was sort of Star Trek meets Farscape. In a good way. I'd love to see a Farscape revival with Simon Pegg involved.
I'd love to see a Star Trek film directed by Quentin Tarantino, there'd be lots of swearing, gratuitous violence, probably some nudity and sex and a really cool soundtrack with lots of 70s hits.
3:23 quick correction, though Montalbon lived in Mexico and spent a large portion of his formative years there he was not latino. Latino refers specifically to people of latin american origin. He was ethnically Spanish, and while the skin tone of Spanish people varies greatly from very white to very dark they are still caucasian/white. Montalbon in his TOS take of Kahn at least did in fact have to wear makeup to appear as dark as they wanted, if they did this in TWoK it was noticeably better done. but looked more like a natural tan. Either way Montalbon and Cumberbatch were in fact the same race, but in the modern era it is rather more risky to paint your white guy up to appear indian!
Star Trek Beyond was perhaps the least terrible of the three Kelvin timeline movies, but it still had a monumentally stupid plot that felt entirely constructed around a series of action pieces. The story barely makes any sense and you get the feeling that they spent the entire movie working their way towards that 'Enterprise destroying a massive drone fleet by playing Beasty Boys really loud'. That was a funny scene, but it was really the only pay off of the entire movie.
The casting was amazing in these new Star Trek movies. But sadly the writing was not. The actors really dragged these movies along and made them somewhat watchable. No idea why they thought the people behind these movies would make them good TV shows that we are getting today.
Just thought I'd point out that Ricardo Montalbán is as white as they come. He was born in Mexico, but he is of Spanish descent, but I guess Spaniards aren't white in the USA for some reason?
I didn't see this one as i never got my money back from the last one. Oh and Simmon Pegg's comment on how they were trying to make the film less Trekkie.
All 3 Star Trek movies were very good. Most ppl, read a large portion, liked them. Only those of myopic view or those who need to politicize everything didn’t like them. And only Hollywood’s creative (criminal and greedy) book keeping practices make 2 come out to 30mil profit.
It's damn shame what happened to Anton Yelchin as he was great as Chekov and Walter Koenig had endorsed publicly as the new Chekov, the way he died was terrible.
I just saw your Into Darkness review after this one, and I had to comment about this review, and I'm doing it there : I'm disappoint about this review. It almost was a Doug Walker level of bad faith and non-analyses, bashing for bashing and joking. Kirk is not proving right in this movie, on the contrary, his actions put the crew in danger and almost killed himself because of all his mistakes. The only character that approove the stupid side of kirk is... the main Bad Guy, Marcus. He needed the savagery of stupid Kirk for his war, and Kirk learn to be more responsible and wise to not end up like Marcus. Proving that Kirk is not on the right path by acting like that. He learn to be more carefull thanks to Scotty advices. He learn to be more civilized thanks to Spock advices. He learn to be more calm and less violent thanks to Uhura advices. He learn to be a better guy by seeing how closed he is to Marcus and Khan, and how he should not act. At no point, Kirk is proving right, Scotty is proving right, Uhura is proving right, Spock is proving right, Kirk even admitt it and says he's a better captain than him. But Kirk, the only good things he's done, is listening the advices of others and sacrifice himself to clean up his mess and saving the crew who's in this situation because of him. The all movie put him in a situation were being reckless and violent don't get him anywhere good, even powerless to certains situation, so he can learn to be better. Beating Kahn dosen't do anything, being a smartass didn't do anything, take the risk just put him and his crew in risk. He's punish for being like that. Because action scene dosen't stop a story, they still tells stories in this situations. This movie show kirk grow up and be more close to the original kirk, it's the logical evolution to the reckless no brain hero of the first one to the more competent and intelectuel Kirk of "Beyond". Maybe you criticized the continuity problem with the Kirk of the original, but the fact that he didn't grown up the same way change the need of this critic. He didn't have a model of Starfleet to teach him to be the wise hero he was in the original series, but some bad dads and a sad mother that made him the Supid, violent and reckless kirk. Plus, the mockery of great scene like the suicide bomber sequence, a scene so great it could be a great short movie in himself. Even Cumberbatch, not mentionning his great acting make your review more unfair, for more joke about the white washing stuff... But no mention of the fact the character was supposed to be Benicio Del Toro, but he was not available, so they replaced him... REALLY unfair. I understand the hate against Orci and his stupid commentary, but bashing the movie this way dosen't help your point against the guy. I'm not pretending the movie is perfect, I understand why some don't like the J.J. Star Trek Movies, the underwear scene was gratuous, the ending was rushed, Bones is underused, but even if the movie had flaws, that dosen't make it right to bash him with primary rage like that. Especially seeing that you are a great reviewer, you did great, intresting and just review of movies before and after this one, so it's really pitifull, you can do better than that, your review of Beyond proove it, real research of the making of the movie, fair criticism, good analysis, but for into darkness, you seems blind by rage.
I don't remeber there being a Star Trek preview before JJ Wars, but my assessment of JJ Trek at the time was already of it being effectively braindead in a persistent vegetative state _(a condition frequently observed around Alex Kurtzman)_ So, you might have a selective memory situation because why devote your attention to a franchise that's practically already dead.
Chuck, can we stop with the bad robot trek. I skip it when you post it on your site, and I'm skipping watching this one. I love your stuff, but I don't care about Bad Robot Trek, because it's not Trek
What Star Trek needs to be is not an SJW, political, or identity pandering piece. No thanks to Discovery and Picard. Every established character does not need their sexual orientation flipped. We can throw away the continuity of the reboot films, as well as Discovery and Picard. Kelvin timeline merging with the Alpha timeline? We can call that the Mulligan timeline. It needs to go back to the ideology of what made TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise what they were.
Star Trek Beyond um ..... well lets save the universe with a beastie boy song and dirt bike...... worst of the three reboots... first movie was good ... beyond was not a good movie.
I like this film a lot. It’s the best of the three JJ films, by a massive margin.
Iron Bear Milk I agree that it's best of the three. But I still don't consider it a good movie.
"Just those new Star Wars movies, by far the best one is The Last Jedi"
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Yeah, I'mma have to disagree on that point. TLJ was a different *kind* of terrible, but I'd put TFA slightly above TLJ. TLJ did a great deal to fix Rey (she's no longer stepping on everyone else's toes the way she did with Han), and it at least *tried* to give Finn something to do, but introducing the bad guys as comic relief from the get-go was *not* the right move, and the handling of the fleet chase was extremely weak.
It was still significantly better than the Frankenstein that was Rise of Skywalker. That movie basically got hammered by the flaws of both of its predecessors.
yet the least profitable....
Paramount and CBS didn't exactly do themselves any favors with an already alienated audience when they also choose, about this same time, to sue Star Trek fan films. Fan films which a segment of the community felt was far more "Star Trek" than current Star Trek. It doesn't really matter which side of the fence you are on when it comes to whether or not you feel they were justified in doing so. When you're banking on getting a big audience for a property with a known niche clientele maybe it's not such a great idea to anger a segment of that group, keeping them from coming to see said property in the theater.
for me, suing the makers of fan films is only justified if the makers are trying to make money off of it.
@@ranwolf1240 That's what the ones they sued were doing.
@@chavesa5 That's not what Peters was being sued for. It's pretty common for fan films to make money - _Star Trek: Continues_ made money, sold merch, and paid people wages, just like _Axanar_ was doing. Peters was sued explicitly for copyright infringement just for _using_ the IP, whether or not he was making money off of it.
Now, disclaimer, I really don't care for Peters or the _Axanar_ project. The fact it's raised MILLIONS and the project STILL isn't finished after many *years* is just pathetic. Then there's the seemingly endless string of legal battles that Peters compulsively engages in, not to mention the massive amount of behind-the-scenes conflict between Peters and the fellow cast and crew.
I'm just pointing out that him making money isn't why CBS sued him, nor was it out of the ordinary for fan films to make money.
I didn't like Star Trek 2009 and I hated Into Darkness. But Beyond impressed me to no end. It was a pretty great movie. Too bad Pegg and Lin didn't get the chance to continue from that point.
not a bit fan of any kirk era stark trek films old or new. Picard all day! but not the terrible series they did
It's not only my favorite of the Kelvin movies, its in my top 5 Trek movies. I've seen every Kelvin Timeline thing (movies, comics, books, and games), and am very sad that it probably won't get another film. I hope that the adventures of the Kelvin Crew will continue, whether on film, in comics or in books.
The saddest part is this film really did deserve better. Like many I thoroughly unwowed by the trailer and only saw it in the theater as part of a family outing. It has its niggles to be sure but I walked out very happy and wishing it had been this rather than Into Darkness that had been the follow up to the first reboot trek. The actors were all on point. The story was solid. It balanced humor and action well and managed to get a reaction out of me seeing the Enterprise get trashed for the umpteeth time. I even liked the new character it introduced and, as a good entry in a series should, left me wanted more. It did what a reboot should do: remind you of the good the original had while spicing things up for a new age and audience.
It hurts to know that the future is so uncertain just as it seemed they were hitting their groove and getting it right.
Yup, _Beyond_ should've been the second film.
Well now this is a surprise, but you are in chaos mode after all.
Beyond is easily the best of the Kelvin trilogy. Sure it deserves some of its flack for still continuing some of the “flaws” of its two predecessors but at the same time Beyond did have a sense to being closer to good in that it gave us a good reason and pathos to care about the characters. Pine Kirk also started be more closer to a proper leader and captain rather than Captain Jerk Beerpong in Into Darkness.
Despite being a Star Trek fan, I couldn't even bring myself to see that movie. It's the only Star Trek movie I haven't seen. What was the point after Into Darkness?
+Pio Nepomuceno
Agreed. I didn't mind ST 2009, but I was heavily disappointed in the lack of improvement and lazy and uninteresting rehash that ST: ID used. It took me till 2020(!) before I dared to check out Beyond. I cannot express how refreshing it was to see Kirk as an actual leader, and I adored how Sulu was showing characteristics as the Next Great Captain, just like how Takei's Sulu was one of the most charismatic Star Trek captains of the '90s. I don't watch Star Trek for the rush of special effects, but as long as it isn't used to cover up poor plot, I don't mind it either.
Beyond proved to me that the reboot cast was fine, but it also makes me sad that all the elements that clicked in this movie, could just as easy improved the earlier Star Trek reboot movies, just by showing them earlier in the trilogy. I can accept blockbuster Star Trek, but at-least show us the elements that made low-budget movies like ST2 and ST6 the unforgettable movies they where.
This! Say what you will, but it was clear in Beyond that there was love and passion for Trek behind the camera.
@@Edax_Royeaux The cast is legitimately good. Pegg really made an effort to include everyone (which even the older films usually failed to try to care to think about doing). I enjoyed it for them more than for the plot. And the film feels very different from Into Darkness whenever the characters just get scenes to bicker, like the old days.
@@Edax_Royeaux Watch Beyond, just ignore the movies before it. Beyond is basicaly a big budget shuttle crash episode like we often have gotten in Tos or Voy.
"The thought of pairing the Star Trek TV shows and movies again"
immediate reaction: Oh neat
seconds later: Oh... Discovery...
I briefly forgot it existed and got excited...
*pat's shoulder
Sorry man.
I think the core problem of Paramount's handling of the Kelvin movies was taking both the casual and Trek audiences for granted.
The delayed time for both sequels pissed away a lot of the momentum the first film brought, and Beyond was always going to struggle to stand out in a film landscape increasingly dominated by the MCU and other shared universe attempts. Moviegoers who enjoyed the flash bang zoom and funny dialogue emphasis of Abrams Trek had far more options now than they did in 09 and the positive associations people had with the first two films largely faded by the time Beyond came out. The delays meant it had to rely on hardcore fans to buoy it up, which leads into the other miscalculation
If Paramount assumed Trek fans could sustain the film, the one two punch of Into Darkness' questionable story choices and awful marketing of Beyond effectively killed any a great deal of the possible fan excitement there could have been for it. With the studio focusing on just getting the film done and out on time, they did virtually nothing to assuage the increasing skepticism and criticism long time fans had about the franchise. The infamous Beastie Boys teaser even seemed to scream that Paramount couldn't even be bothered to try and appeal to core fans in something basic like marketing.
Thus Beyond under performed, coming too late for moviegoers once excited for JJTrek, and having too little appeal for fans unconvinced it would be any different from films they were lukewarm about to begin with.
I'm really happy to finally see Chuck tackle this one, the sadly ignored film which was in so many ways the pinnacle of what a Trek film should be :C
This really was the best of this trilogy. It's a shame so much worked against its success, both for its sake and the future of the franchise.
I would say the problem with Into Darkness was more waiting 4 years to release it after the first film. The iron went cold and the general audiences they had picked up in 2009, forgot about it and went elsewhere. If they had released it during 2011, I think it would have enjoyed far larger success. (At least in terms of box office.)
It doesn't help that there is so much stuff and so little time as well. The event entertainment days are more or less over and even a big hit is going to be with a smaller Audience and for a much shorter period of time. Movies being a thing for years ala Star Wars isnt happening. Maybe a few weeks leading to it, a couple after, then possibly a month timeframe around the DVD release. (Plus or minus a little for Disney Disney stuff.)
@@CaptainRufus What are you talking about?? literally ALL the money is made by event films in modern hollywood.
Star Trek Beyond is not only the best of the reboot Star Trek films, it might even be my favorite Star Trek film.
Yes, Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country and First Contact are all great, but a large part of what makes them great ties into the rest of the series and our investment in the characters built up over the years (which is why it's such a crime that the DS9, Voyager and Enterprise crews never got their own feature films) while Beyond stands on a smaller stage and so has a bigger impression.
Beyond for me is like a big budget Shuttle crash episode. Which is one of the most Star Trek settings you can get. On top of that it respects Treks past and its plot centers around the main themes and ideals of Star Trek. The characters are also on point. As a trekkie there is nothing more I could ask for in a movie.
My third favorite Star Trek film! Absolutely love it.
Same
In my opinion Beyond is genuently a great trek film. So I am interested how this review will turn out.
I liked this film, but I had such a bad preconception of these characters from the two previous films that it hurt my experience.
For me I just pretend the first 2 reboot movies didn't happen and beyond is a strange looking tos phase 2 episode.
SUCH an underrated film. Thanks for the great video.
It was nice to see a Trek film with introspection and optimism again. I admit I hold this as the best Trek film since Undiscovered Country.
"Dubai is like the future, right here and now" *concerned translady noises*
Did you just assume my species?!
I Identify as a gender-neutral Tuvix thank you very much.
Fortunately it just *looks* like the future. We get to keep having human rights and stuff.
Yeah anyone who thinks an intolerant shithole with blasphemy laws and open slavery is the future need's their head examined.
But that cult seems to get a free pass from everyone nowadays.
so in the future they will be no gays
TheXDatabase Welp. So much for Kelvin Sulu then.
its amazing that everything jj abrams touches only gets good when hes kicked off the project
How that man still has a career is beyond me.
Rember he was asking all none kelvin timeline star trek merchandise be removed so as not to compete with his?
@@gimzod76 the arrogance of the man.
@@gimzod76 Simple, because he actually has carrier beside those few side projects 0_0
4:30 -ish...
I feel like Orci isn't the solo conspiracy nut in that writing room, considering what we've seen from Kurtzman's STD and STP.
I'd say he's rubbish, but even rubbish was usual at some point.
Yeah, but at least Kurtzman isn’t as antagonistic towards fans as Orci.
@@magnusprime962 Um yes he is as is most of the STD cast.
I was unsure about this film when I went to see it. The first 2 Kelvin films had utterly annoyed me and I'm the generation they were aimed at.
However I quickly changed my mind 5 minutes in when Beyond featured an actual captain's log. And went on to be basically a suped up episode of the original series.
I was nervues going into this movie as well, the trailers looked horrible. But the movie quickly won me over and is actually one of the few movies I watched multiple times on the big screen.
I cannot possibly concur more with your assessment and opinions on this film. (Also: you are awesome in the extreme, good sir! Sorry I haven't responded sooner.)
To me, the best Trek movie since VI, but still unfocused, still more of an action movie than a movie about the kinds of ideas Trek could do so well once upon. I mean, I'll take it, but it was further proof that Trek doesn't work at this level. You NEED to make $500 million or more, just to break even, then you're stretching your story too thin.
Trek works best on a TV level. Even the best movies feel more like TV shows. And that's fine.
JJ Abrams is good for TV, bad for movies.
Star Trek has always been an action franchise from its beginnings. But the action, hopefully, floats on deeper themes. As a TV show, it has bottle-episodes, some of them very good, where people mostly talk to each other but that's far from the majority of episodes. Kirk can talk a computer to death and sympathize with an antagonist, but he's good for a few drop-kicks and judo throws too 😉
I just rewatched Beyond today, wrapping up my yearly rewatch of all the Trek movies.
Easily the best of the new movies. A few issues with it, like the 'cool' scenes being a tad cringy and the bad guy not being fleshed out enough, but still quite enjoyable. And it fixes Kirk. Pity it didn't do well.
one note villain and cringe inducing attempts at pop cultural relevance? sounds just like the star trek I know and 2/3 of the time love!
I actually really like Into Darkness, because it gave us the Vengeance Class and it shows that Praxis is already broken ( _which I think was because of Nero_ ) which again furthers the differences between Kelvin Timeline and regular like, what more strange things will we see here? But Beyond is the movie where the actors are so very much clearly the most comfortable in their roles. I also really really liked the USS Franklin and it's similarities ( _there used to be an image that compared a shot of USS Franklin and Spock holding a phaser to the Enterprise NX Class and Mr. Reed holding a phase pistol_ ) to the NX Class.
And even though Elba is a great actor, I found the motivations of the villain in Beyond... very very flawed and very stupid. The way I see it, he blames the Federation for his own inability to cope and change. I would had at least accepted him changing in the end and doing a redeeming heroic sacrifice but no, not even that we got. Instead he doubles down with an animalistic scream and then looses. So hearing you say this that I had no idea about.... Doesn't unfortunately change my view on the villain at all. He's still very weak in my eyes. At least Khan had a motivation, as did Nero. Both which were explored more in comics..
Is there any comic about pre-Beyond adventures of the Franklin? Anyone know? It'd be interesting to read that if there are!
PS. I really do not like the 'Kirk song'. They should had gone with Magic Carpet Ride imo.
Elba's character was also kinda nuts, so there's that. I would have picked something from Sabaton. Night Witches, Resist and Bite or Screaming Eagles
@@ranwolf1240 he was also under the effects of some alien influence, Kahn in every incarnation was ridiculously shortsighted and stupid, Nero also lacked any sort of rationality for his actions. in total all three villains have basically the same motivation, a shallow yet obsessive to the point of self destruction resentment towards people that really have nothing to do with their predicament.
Kahn could have been more patient in Space seed, began inserting himself into this new society and building a new empire the proper way. And no, the federation would not imprison him or his people. Not for crimes they were convicted of by a long defunct set of governments.
In WoK he had a powerful starship and the open galaxy at his disposal, with the potential for an even greater revenge on Kirk if he had any vision at all.
@@DrewLSsix Nero's motivation is shown in the comic, but that's the issue there it was a comic. Not to mention the deleted scenes that would had explained to a lot of people what Nero was doing for _20 years_ . And Khan well, that's Khan for you. Brags about being a super human but as Spock says, his thinking is 2 Dimensional. But this one in Beyond is like " _The Federation sent us out here, blararargh we hate the Federation they make you weak!_ ", it's nothing others in novels haven't said before in different and more intricate ways but.. I'd just want to know more about him.
I can confirm how hard and fast my interest in the movie dropped to zero after watching the beastie boys trailer. I get after watching the film how it's connected but without the context it was a huge turn off. Even remember the dislike bar for the video being pretty big at the time with everyone else complaining about it.
And Pegg was pissed they'd used the song in the trailer as it kind of spoiled the scene in the movie. Maybe directors should have a bit more say in what goes into the trailers. At least a veto for certain scenes. But the studios are unlikely to give it to them.
And then they had the trailer with the Rihanna song. The studio really didn't have a clue who they wanted to market this to.
Beyond was so good, but yeah, I think Into Darkness might have taken the wind out of it's sails. Beyond deserved better because it IS better. It really felt like Trek
I feel really bad for not seeing this in theaters and thinking it would be a dumb action movie bastardizing Star Trek. When I finally watched it on blu-ray I was surprised and really happy to find Beyond is the best Trek movie on the Kelvin Timeline. It actually felt more like a genuine Star Trek movie compare too the other 2 movies.
Thanks Chuck, btw will the review have a numerical score (I don't think I saw one in the early access and was surprised)
It is so frustrating that the best film of the new trilogy was a flop no one went to see. Heck, I'd probably rank it higher than all but Star Trek 2 & 6, and in the same ballpark as 4 and First Contact.
I first saw the fast trailer footage of the USS Franklin on my little phone screen, and I thought it was the NX-01 (clearly, it's stylistically inspired by the same). And while I absolutely love the movie, I'm a little disappointed that they couldn't make that happen.
Star Trek Beyond finally drops all pretends of the movies being overly long music videos by having the ship surf a wave of explosions while the Beasty Boys play.
Finding a technical solution is a verry star trek thing to do. And Music is used by real armys for jamming radio frequencies, for example the Royal Navy used to play Britney Spears to jam signals. In that way the beasty boys scene is a really nice tribute to real live technology.
@@zafranorbian757 Yeah and the Polish used to jam Soviet radio frequencies with recitations of the Holy Bible in the Polish-Soviet War, but can we honestly say that's Star Trek? Gene Roddenberry would have thrown a conniption.
@@Edax_Royeaux no, he wouldnt have. but even if he did... who gives a fuck? most of the good trek ever produced has been directly against his will, do you shun Wrath of Kahn because Gene hated the film?
Oh that bit was fine.
I watched the review and now want a Kinos Journey style Star Trek show.
Instead of new countrys in every story, you would have new Panets.
And instead of a talking Motorbile you couold have a scentient space ship AI.
I've heard the new Trek properties called "cargo cult" Trek. The people making them want all the wealth Star Trek brought in the past, but they don't understand what Trek is and so have thrown together something that superficially looks like Star Trek in hopes that wealth will follow.
To me the problem is that modern writers. They're fast, they know formulaic process and grammar and that's it. The only time you hear about rewrites is when executives demand rewrites. Any writer worth their ink rewrites as a matter of self respect, respect for their work, and respect to their audience. If you think you can put out worthwhile work in a single draft - you are a hack.
Am I supposed to applause? I can't keep track under all this suffocating pretentiousness.
Masterfully done as always. Thank you.
I loved this movie and the Kalvin-verse as a whole. I wish it would've continued. (Damn legalities.)
I think Beyond being a massive financial loss, coupled with one of the main cast dying, is what killed it.
"JJ had recommended them to Amazon for their upcoming LotR series"
That's a major Oof in hindsight if I've ever seen one.
I loved Beyond and its deconstruction. The Axanar incident didn't help matters, as the resultant restrictions in fan film production made it seem that the 50th Anniversary was beginning with Paramount giving a metaphorical middle finger to a good chunk of the fanbase. Like SF Debris mentioned, Paramount was suddenly I'll equipped to celebrate the 50th Anniversary compared to previous anniversaries (e.g., Star Trek IV for the 20th, Star Trek VI for the 25th, Trials and Tribble-ations for the 30th, arguably Enterprise for the 35th)
At least J.J Trek was set in an alternate universe. Unlike STD and STP......
I liked 09 and half of ID, but with this one they seemed to finally move into a direction where the Kelvin universe could stand on its own. The characters stopped being exaggerated caricatures and felt like the original crew again. Unfortunately, despite all the talk of challenging the core values of the Federation and adding depth to the villain, Krall felt disappointingly one dimensional, spewing empty phrases rather than actually challenging the notions of the Federation. Coupled with some of the over the top action scenes that didn't feel right for Trek and ultimately it fell somewhat short of it's promise. Still a very enjoyable movie, but it could've been even better.
anyone where sf debris comparison between pine pirk and of kirk is? i cant find it.
Boy did the marketing kill this movie.
Tbh, my biggest issue with the JJ movies is the framerate. I always get a headache after a few minutes of watching.
At this point I had lost interest in the rebooted Star Trek films, so I didn't even watch Beyond.
I would recommend it. Just pretend all reboot movies before this never happened. It is basically a good old shuttlecrash episode but with a bigger budget. There are also some great Enterprise callbacks.
I think I'll wait for the proper review and then decide. Chuck's taste is much in line with my own.
@@Thraim. That is fair. I can understand the hesitation as the other reboot films range from bland and unimaginative to downright insulting. But if Chucks revire is good enough for your liking give the movie a try.
@AdalRoderick The 2009 film had a similar effect on me; when _Into Darkness_ came out I waited for cable, and was glad I did. I gave _Beyond_ a chance only after friends persuaded me that JJ Failbrams had not been involved in either the writing or the direction of the third film.
I was pleasantly surprised. _Beyond_ is certainly no _Undiscovered Country,_ never mind _Wrath of Khan;_ but I'd say it's about on par with _First Contact,_ _Search for Spock,_ or _Voyage Home._ It's a pity it had to follow the abominable _Into Darkness,_ which probably hurt its box office take at least as much as Paramount's anemic marketing campaign and counter-productive attacks on the fan base.
AdalRoderick Beyond was best of the reboot. I never really liked the reboot to begin with, but Beyond was a positive suprise. Not a good movie, but when compared to 09 Trek and Into Darkness, it was lightyears ahead of those two.
Still my favorite film of the three.
Poor SF Debris. He must be in deep suffering.
beyond felt as good as no trek since undiscovered country felt
aye.
I'm pretty sure Pegg didn't have that good of a relationship with the Star Trek fandom, as he literally said 'Fuck you!' to fans who hated Into Darkness.
Another great show. Thank you
I think it's the best of the three but I'm not really a fan of the Kelvin timeline.
I think the advertising wasn't helped by showing them destroying the Enterprise. I still strenuously object with that decision in terms of the plot, but to show in the very first trailers that they're ripping the cool ship apart made me have a very strong reaction to the movie.
I saw it anyways and enjoyed it in spite of that decision. It was sort of Star Trek meets Farscape. In a good way. I'd love to see a Farscape revival with Simon Pegg involved.
Star Trek Beyond is my favorite of all the Star Trek movies in both timelines with a close second being the one with the whales... 4?
I just googled “Star Trek the...” and the first suggestion was “Star Trek the one with the whales” 🐳 so I’m not the only one
I'd love to see a Star Trek film directed by Quentin Tarantino, there'd be lots of swearing, gratuitous violence, probably some nudity and sex and a really cool soundtrack with lots of 70s hits.
skipped this movie, to go watch Hell of High Water (also with chris pine), and have never looked back. HoHW was the best film of 2016, hands down.
I hate what the licensing did to this franchise. Sad to see this was the last film for Nimoy and Yelchin.
I enjoyed the 3rd film, I just wish we hadn't seen the end of the Enterprise in the trailer, THAT was REALLY annoying!
The Search for Spock trailer ruined the destruction of the Enterprise too, so it's like nobody learned from history.
@@lorcan0c Yeah, I...neglected to mention that.
The trailers really did Beyond a massive disservice.
3:23 quick correction, though Montalbon lived in Mexico and spent a large portion of his formative years there he was not latino. Latino refers specifically to people of latin american origin. He was ethnically Spanish, and while the skin tone of Spanish people varies greatly from very white to very dark they are still caucasian/white.
Montalbon in his TOS take of Kahn at least did in fact have to wear makeup to appear as dark as they wanted, if they did this in TWoK it was noticeably better done. but looked more like a natural tan.
Either way Montalbon and Cumberbatch were in fact the same race, but in the modern era it is rather more risky to paint your white guy up to appear indian!
I wouldn't say that spanish people are white, at least if you use the american Hispanic/Latino terminology.
Star Trek Beyond was perhaps the least terrible of the three Kelvin timeline movies, but it still had a monumentally stupid plot that felt entirely constructed around a series of action pieces. The story barely makes any sense and you get the feeling that they spent the entire movie working their way towards that 'Enterprise destroying a massive drone fleet by playing Beasty Boys really loud'. That was a funny scene, but it was really the only pay off of the entire movie.
Hello RUclips algorithm, lets boost the numbers a little?
The casting was amazing in these new Star Trek movies. But sadly the writing was not. The actors really dragged these movies along and made them somewhat watchable. No idea why they thought the people behind these movies would make them good TV shows that we are getting today.
Just thought I'd point out that Ricardo Montalbán is as white as they come. He was born in Mexico, but he is of Spanish descent, but I guess Spaniards aren't white in the USA for some reason?
Love to video, more on youtube please :D
I didn't like it much but I would have liked it much more if not for the Beasty Boys bit. There was simply no way to take it seriously at that point.
Into Darkness was praised by critics???????
dupersuper1938 The same critics that loved Cats.
Sadly yes, probaply the same ones that gave Godzilla KOTM bad reviews for focusing on Godzilla.
John Harrison should have been Gary Mitchell
I didn't see this one as i never got my money back from the last one.
Oh and Simmon Pegg's comment on how they were trying to make the film less Trekkie.
Simon Pegg's first script was called too "Trekky" and not "inclusive" enough by the Studio, not by himself" He was forced to make a re-write.
Andromeda Strain is 404 on ur site.
All 3 Star Trek movies were very good. Most ppl, read a large portion, liked them. Only those of myopic view or those who need to politicize everything didn’t like them. And only Hollywood’s creative (criminal and greedy) book keeping practices make 2 come out to 30mil profit.
I am so sick of Hollywood's never-ending game of 'one-upmanship'.
It's damn shame what happened to Anton Yelchin as he was great as Chekov and Walter Koenig had endorsed publicly as the new Chekov, the way he died was terrible.
Tarantino Star Trek
Yes please
I just saw your Into Darkness review after this one, and I had to comment about this review, and I'm doing it there :
I'm disappoint about this review. It almost was a Doug Walker level of bad faith and non-analyses, bashing for bashing and joking.
Kirk is not proving right in this movie, on the contrary, his actions put the crew in danger and almost killed himself because of all his mistakes.
The only character that approove the stupid side of kirk is... the main Bad Guy, Marcus. He needed the savagery of stupid Kirk for his war, and Kirk learn to be more responsible and wise to not end up like Marcus. Proving that Kirk is not on the right path by acting like that.
He learn to be more carefull thanks to Scotty advices.
He learn to be more civilized thanks to Spock advices.
He learn to be more calm and less violent thanks to Uhura advices.
He learn to be a better guy by seeing how closed he is to Marcus and Khan, and how he should not act.
At no point, Kirk is proving right, Scotty is proving right, Uhura is proving right, Spock is proving right, Kirk even admitt it and says he's a better captain than him. But Kirk, the only good things he's done, is listening the advices of others and sacrifice himself to clean up his mess and saving the crew who's in this situation because of him.
The all movie put him in a situation were being reckless and violent don't get him anywhere good, even powerless to certains situation, so he can learn to be better. Beating Kahn dosen't do anything, being a smartass didn't do anything, take the risk just put him and his crew in risk. He's punish for being like that. Because action scene dosen't stop a story, they still tells stories in this situations.
This movie show kirk grow up and be more close to the original kirk, it's the logical evolution to the reckless no brain hero of the first one to the more competent and intelectuel Kirk of "Beyond".
Maybe you criticized the continuity problem with the Kirk of the original, but the fact that he didn't grown up the same way change the need of this critic. He didn't have a model of Starfleet to teach him to be the wise hero he was in the original series, but some bad dads and a sad mother that made him the Supid, violent and reckless kirk.
Plus, the mockery of great scene like the suicide bomber sequence, a scene so great it could be a great short movie in himself.
Even Cumberbatch, not mentionning his great acting make your review more unfair, for more joke about the white washing stuff... But no mention of the fact the character was supposed to be Benicio Del Toro, but he was not available, so they replaced him... REALLY unfair.
I understand the hate against Orci and his stupid commentary, but bashing the movie this way dosen't help your point against the guy.
I'm not pretending the movie is perfect, I understand why some don't like the J.J. Star Trek Movies, the underwear scene was gratuous, the ending was rushed, Bones is underused, but even if the movie had flaws, that dosen't make it right to bash him with primary rage like that. Especially seeing that you are a great reviewer, you did great, intresting and just review of movies before and after this one, so it's really pitifull, you can do better than that, your review of Beyond proove it, real research of the making of the movie, fair criticism, good analysis, but for into darkness, you seems blind by rage.
I don't remeber there being a Star Trek preview before JJ Wars, but my assessment of JJ Trek at the time was already of it being effectively braindead in a persistent vegetative state _(a condition frequently observed around Alex Kurtzman)_ So, you might have a selective memory situation because why devote your attention to a franchise that's practically already dead.
I still think the action was badly edited. The fighting was too quick and herky jerky
Chuck, can we stop with the bad robot trek. I skip it when you post it on your site, and I'm skipping watching this one. I love your stuff, but I don't care about Bad Robot Trek, because it's not Trek
What Star Trek needs to be is not an SJW, political, or identity pandering piece. No thanks to Discovery and Picard. Every established character does not need their sexual orientation flipped. We can throw away the continuity of the reboot films, as well as Discovery and Picard. Kelvin timeline merging with the Alpha timeline? We can call that the Mulligan timeline.
It needs to go back to the ideology of what made TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise what they were.
Star Trek is an abomination now. Not sure if all of blame goes to J.J. Abrams but he ruins everything he touches.
Abrams brilliant idea was to make Star Trek like Star Wars... then he made Star Wars. Awful.
I just don't like Pine and Quinto.
Star Trek Beyond um ..... well lets save the universe with a beastie boy song and dirt bike...... worst of the three reboots... first movie was good ... beyond was not a good movie.