I always thought the Klingons got it wrong. I read it as The Doctor was the messiah. “You will follow in my footsteps before I have made them” - Delta Quadrant “Younger than old age and stronger than sickness” - Hologram “After two warring houses make peace” - Maquis and Starfleet on Voyager “Descended from an honourable house” - the house of healers. It doesn’t all fit perfectly, but then neither did the original for Torres’ child.
They gave away all of Torres' plots to others. The Doctor fixed the disease, Tom fought someone, and Neelix... Well, the less said about that the better.
It's always disappointing when Voyager has an episode with an interesting idea but doesn't do much with it. It would have been cool if these Klingons were very different than the Beta Quadrant Klingons because they've been traveling for more than a hundred years and they've picked up alien crew and technology from other races to repair their ship. It would have been interesting if this group of Klingons had actually settled on a planet and built up a mini-Klingon empire. They could have expanded on why these Klingons left. Why do they think the Klingon Empire is corrupt? Do they dislike how Klingons have become so focused on war and neglect other parts of their civilization? Do they think the Empire doesn't fight enough and too many houses are using underhanded tactics to gain power instead of engaging in honorable combat?
Like how a group of humand descended from abducted humans from the early 20th entury built a civilization that we don't have the budget to show the audience. Oh, and none of them want to sign on Voyager, I mean who would?
You've been covering Stupid Nelix Moments for years, but you've been keeping that wonderful, utterly disgusted sigh in reserve for this home stretch. Kudos.
@@daveroche6522 Neelix would be reduced to a literal brainless gibbering wreck with even Micheal Garibaldi looking on in approval at Bester's handiwork
@@jatkinson85 Neelix: "Hello Mr. Telepath. I was just looking for Security Lossifer Scowly McBaldman here", Baldigary: "Fraggit - just what I need, yet another alien arsehole spouting unending spaceshite. Where's my hidden stash of Aldebaran whiskey? Dammit John I had it hidden in bowl of spoo", Vir: "HIC!", Bester: "Indeed Mr. Baldigary - suddenly I'm not the most punchable little shit in the galaxy, eh? Never mind, I'll see to it" - stares at Neelix... WHLUUMMMPF - Neelixs head simultaneously implodes and melts - Baldigary, Bester and Kosh (who just suddently appeared in the background): "HUZZAH! Bravari and flarn alround". Commander I'mamoron bangs out AC/DCs 'Rock you Heart out' on the bagpipes, Kirk treats Janeway to a well-deserved dropkick while Sheridan just sighs and looks knowingly into camera. ruclips.net/video/XnVCmp71NdM/видео.html PLEEEEEEEASE can I direct that scene?
Too bad Tuvok didn't take the opportunity he had while he had it. If he'd strangled Neelix there, no court would have convicted him! Janeway sure wouldn't! Sure, she might be annoyed at losing such an effective means of giving her crew suffering through questionable cuisine, but she'd just get over it like a dead goldfish and pick up the first questionable character they come across to make up for it.
You've got to love that the child of Tom Paris is apparently a messiah to an alien race. Not even being subtle during season 7, are they? Actually, I think this might've worked a little better in Enterprise as a source of the hostility between the Klingons and Federation.
You can’t fault Harry in this episode, the last time he had sex it resulted in a permanent note on his service record and an alien STD Plus his still lingering feelings for Libby/Tom/Seven/that one hologram/the wrong Delaney twin
Ah, Tom and B'Elanna's child being a Klingon messiah ... the plot point that goes NOWHERE! VOYAGER's specialty. :D (Glad to hear you've apparently recovered from COVID and are feeling better, Chuck! Thanks for the great review as always.)
Neelix volunteering to bunk with his absolute best friend Tuvok. Another classic Neelix move... Quick Tuvok, now's your chance to give him that *wink wink* accident he deserves
Klingon: "His lungs taste like Ocampa." Janeway: "You've met the Ocampa?" Klingon: "We used to raise them for food...they grow so fast." Janeway: "I don't approve of that." Klingon: "And slaves, they make fine slaves. Fast learners." Janeway: "I don't know if I disapprove of that."
This basic setup, as presented, would make way more sense for Worf than Torres. If Worf is put in a position where he's forced to play along with a Klingon prophecy that he knows doesn't apply to him, you don't need further explanation to set up conflict. He's a devout follower of these traditions and is honourable to a fault. But Torres... there's not nearly as much of a sense of inherent drama there, since she doesn't seem like she'd have any problem lying to these people to get them out of her hair. It needed more changes to make sense for her.
Welp that’s another one down and another season completed. Anyone know which ones are left and guesses on what the final Voyager episode review will be?
@@Tubewings omg yes i forgot he did not do those 2 episodes which is why i felt like this felt a bit anti climatic for the last review episode of voyager lol.
While I do remember this episode from when it first aired, I had honestly forgotten about the Harry Kim/ Klingon Woman subplot entirely. Seriously even after watching this I have no recollection of any of these scenes.
3:00 "Time to separate the bridge section [...] with a hacksaw!" I recently watched a video about Klingon battle cruisers. Most are from board games or books... and there IS one with a Enterprise-D-like separation system. It comes apart with the 'bridge' section taking the long slender neck with it, and it kinda ends up looking like a Hitachi - if you get my meaning.
Lore for the game’s backstory and timeline also delves into Miral’s developmental years being shadowed by curiousity of being a klingon messiah, which does indeed culminate in said Online mission where she gets kidnapped because of her blood.
@@myriadmediamusings doesn't that mission also explain how the klingons got their forehead ridges back? It's been a while since I played, but I remember the guardian of forever being involved.
I could be mis-remembering, but I recall it being a hugely pivotal plot point to the entire start of the game originally. For some reason the game's creators were huge fans of Voyager and built a lot of storylines around it foremost; it wasn't an appealing start.
Klingons getting belligerent is expected. A hunger strike though, that shows far more restraint and dedication than mere fisticuffs or trashing of a space.
Oddly enough, I feel like these Klingons might have been all that was left of T'Kuvma's fanatics after a couple centuries of exile after their own people realized "Yeah, these people are kind of nuts."
"i've heard of lighting a fire, but never as" Wow, not a history buff huh. In the year 1519 Hernán Cortés arrived in the New World with six hundred men and, upon arrival, made history by destroying his ships. This sent a clear message to his men: There is no turning back
You're not a history buff either - You literally copied that from the first internet result you found. Also I'm pretty sure Cortez did go back to Spain.
@@rafstrayhorn5772 Yes i looked it up, however i remembered it enough from history to actually look it up primary because i didn't want to get the date wrong or name wrong. Its a pretty famous story though.
@@rafstrayhorn5772 As memory serves, Cortez didn't need to go back to Spain, since he started in Cuba, and could presumably catch a ride from there. Of course, that also assumes his little expedition wasn't hilariously illegal...
Once again we meet a group of people, some of whom could join the crew, but don't because last season and we'd never see them again anyway (EQUINOX survivors). And we are left with the potential horror of there being a Klingon-Talaxian hybrid out there.
I'm going to guess both, starting with TNG and being moved to DS9 along with Worf and Alexander. I can totally see them doing this with Alexander and giving Worf another reason to try and make him a "real" Klingon.
The bones are there for a good episode but the clear lack of cohesion makes it fall apart: Klingon Jesus Torres confronting her Klingon heritage and the chance to be positively affected by it. The crew meeting another group that's been there for generations leading to some to question if they really will get home. All of it is interesting to work with but nothing is really done with it.
Y'know what I don't get? So Neelix clearly has the hots for this Klingon, and she seems to feel the same way for him. So why didn't he stay with her? I mean, he wound up leaving the ship soon enough anyway. And in my experience, when you meet a woman who wants to do all THAT with you, you don't let her go. lol
I always read a background undercurrent of Islamic influences, getting sacred texts while to then run and write them in a scroll. Going on a long pilgrimage. What I enjoyed most was the brass tactics, utilitarian view of faith from the leader. It was just a unique perspective. The coup was stupid, and forced. The evil Janeway character wasn't a caricature/parody, it was reality 😂. There are no mercy killings on my ship
"Um yeah, I did that." At least the Klingons drop the lie faster than certain massive Eurasian countries I could name... when confronted with evidence.
I remember hating this episode, mostly due to it being another contrived Alpha quadrant thing in the Delta quadrant story, which I never like. Especially coupled with a reset button ending and never being mentioned again. It's annoying enough that Equinox and Ransom are never mentioned again and have no long-term impact, but at least their episode was really good. Also, it would be quite the sight seeing Star Trek do the whole sexy female alien storybeat with the genders reversed. Suddenly it doesn't seem so fun and whimsical and the doctors reaction comes off a lot more messed up. XD
The 90s were actually pretty messed up about that sort of thing. Reverse sexual harassment was seen as a joke and it wasn't alone. It doesn't seem that long ago but it was actually frighteningly backwards.
in a way you are overthinking or overlooking the basics. Prophecy is about just that Prophecies. And how any Prophecy can bet "twisted" after the fact to seem like it applies. Its about culture religion, and again, how anyone can twist a situation to make it seem like it fits a Prophecy. There are people that believe in things like Nostradamus and try to make events fit. and all to often the events they choose are convoluted, disjointed, and really don't mean anything but to them, its proof THEY are right and everyone who denies it is wrong. "look a bright flash in the sky on the night of chutsaria!" "Thats an aircraft strobe light" "Doesn't matter! its there!"
Great video as always! Did you ever do a video on the Voyager episode the Thaw? I know you mentioned it in many if your videos but I could not find it in your videos list. I thought it was a unique episode as well.
I like this episode but my issue with this is similar to the one with the other Federation ship whose name eludes me. Voyager is a series that would had benefitted from a Babylon 5 approach to story telling instead, have the other Federation ship join Voyager, have Voyager suffer permanent damages that requires repairs, and have these Klingons also join Voyager and get their weapons upgraded by the Voyager crew. The Klingons could have been searching for the Kuh'wa'mak, exploring wormholes and stuff and ended up here eventually. They bash blows a bit before resolving the conflict and becoming allies, and by the time Voyager returns to Earth, it's either a mishmash of several ships, or it's a small group of ships. Alas, missed potential Voyager be thy name. PS. Neelix is hilarious in this episode.
I think you are taking this far too seriously. I know, you probably heard this a million times. I actually enjoyed this episode. This was a fun Klingon romp. There were alot of stupid or dull episodes on Voyager but this isn't one of them.
This was so stupid, they are so far from home, and space is tremendously large. And they just happened to run into each other. And the Klingon messiah bit was terrible. So many stupid plots.
you know they could do a show just about the Delta quadrant it's got humans Klingons and the dinosaur people that came from Earth they could call it Star Trek Delta😀
They probably already have, with the 50 different Star Trek shows Paramount is pushing out, it will be hot garbage that makes Voyager look like the best written show of all time in comparison though and ruin every Delta quadrant race and lore.
I always thought the Klingons got it wrong.
I read it as The Doctor was the messiah.
“You will follow in my footsteps before I have made them” - Delta Quadrant
“Younger than old age and stronger than sickness” - Hologram
“After two warring houses make peace” - Maquis and Starfleet on Voyager
“Descended from an honourable house” - the house of healers.
It doesn’t all fit perfectly, but then neither did the original for Torres’ child.
Wow, I think that it would have been a delightful twist if one of the Klingons came to this conclusion.
They gave away all of Torres' plots to others.
The Doctor fixed the disease, Tom fought someone, and Neelix...
Well, the less said about that the better.
Kim got in trouble for getting laid one time and decided to not get sex when he had PERMISSION from the doctor this time.
Fix something, get pissed off, or screw somebody: yep, those are all of Torres's things.
It's always disappointing when Voyager has an episode with an interesting idea but doesn't do much with it. It would have been cool if these Klingons were very different than the Beta Quadrant Klingons because they've been traveling for more than a hundred years and they've picked up alien crew and technology from other races to repair their ship. It would have been interesting if this group of Klingons had actually settled on a planet and built up a mini-Klingon empire. They could have expanded on why these Klingons left. Why do they think the Klingon Empire is corrupt? Do they dislike how Klingons have become so focused on war and neglect other parts of their civilization? Do they think the Empire doesn't fight enough and too many houses are using underhanded tactics to gain power instead of engaging in honorable combat?
What chuck has often said they could been so much more
Like how a group of humand descended from abducted humans from the early 20th entury built a civilization that we don't have the budget to show the audience. Oh, and none of them want to sign on Voyager, I mean who would?
You've been covering Stupid Nelix Moments for years, but you've been keeping that wonderful, utterly disgusted sigh in reserve for this home stretch. Kudos.
I misread your comment as Netflix for some reason. 😅
Showdowns I'd LOVE to see - Voyagers Nelix v. Babylon 5s Bester [i.e. the Galaxys most insufferable buffoon v. the Galaxys biggest shit].....
@@daveroche6522 Neelix would be reduced to a literal brainless gibbering wreck with even Micheal Garibaldi looking on in approval at Bester's handiwork
@@jatkinson85 Neelix: "Hello Mr. Telepath. I was just looking for Security Lossifer Scowly McBaldman here",
Baldigary: "Fraggit - just what I need, yet another alien arsehole spouting unending spaceshite. Where's my hidden stash of Aldebaran whiskey? Dammit John I had it hidden in bowl of spoo",
Vir: "HIC!",
Bester: "Indeed Mr. Baldigary - suddenly I'm not the most punchable little shit in the galaxy, eh? Never mind, I'll see to it" - stares at Neelix...
WHLUUMMMPF - Neelixs head simultaneously implodes and melts -
Baldigary, Bester and Kosh (who just suddently appeared in the background): "HUZZAH! Bravari and flarn alround". Commander I'mamoron bangs out AC/DCs 'Rock you Heart out' on the bagpipes, Kirk treats Janeway to a well-deserved dropkick while Sheridan just sighs and looks knowingly into camera.
ruclips.net/video/XnVCmp71NdM/видео.html
PLEEEEEEEASE can I direct that scene?
There are no mercy killings on Janeway's ship, but only because there is no mercy. Good old-fashioned killings are just fine.
"If a death doesn't last for a minimum of 3 hours, what's the point of killing someone?" Probably Janeway.
"You didn't praise my name enough while begging for death, so your suffering must continue." seems like a very Janeway sentiment.
Too bad Tuvok didn't take the opportunity he had while he had it. If he'd strangled Neelix there, no court would have convicted him! Janeway sure wouldn't! Sure, she might be annoyed at losing such an effective means of giving her crew suffering through questionable cuisine, but she'd just get over it like a dead goldfish and pick up the first questionable character they come across to make up for it.
You've got to love that the child of Tom Paris is apparently a messiah to an alien race. Not even being subtle during season 7, are they? Actually, I think this might've worked a little better in Enterprise as a source of the hostility between the Klingons and Federation.
I'm surprised they didn't bring her back in Star Trek Picard to milk more of the franchise
Tom Paris is the Pinnacle of Humanity. His seed is so potent that none of his children will be anything less than demigods.
@@ironmiron9666 Even the salamanders?
@@mikegates8993 they're also the spawn of Janeway. Technically they'd be the anti-christ.
@@mikegates8993 especially the fckn lizards
You can’t fault Harry in this episode, the last time he had sex it resulted in a permanent note on his service record and an alien STD
Plus his still lingering feelings for Libby/Tom/Seven/that one hologram/the wrong Delaney twin
Well last time, he did it on impulse. It's like nothing good ever happens to Kim
That and after years under Janeway the idea of violent Klingon Snusnu probably feels way too vanilla for him 😅
Ah, Tom and B'Elanna's child being a Klingon messiah ... the plot point that goes NOWHERE!
VOYAGER's specialty. :D
(Glad to hear you've apparently recovered from COVID and are feeling better, Chuck! Thanks for the great review as always.)
It does go somewhere in Star Trek Online at least
Neelix volunteering to bunk with his absolute best friend Tuvok. Another classic Neelix move... Quick Tuvok, now's your chance to give him that *wink wink* accident he deserves
If Neelix suddenly fell out a window, no one would question it.
If I had written this episode, the klingons would have eaten Neelix, to show its somewhat serious
Klingon: "His lungs taste like Ocampa."
Janeway: "You've met the Ocampa?"
Klingon: "We used to raise them for food...they grow so fast."
Janeway: "I don't approve of that."
Klingon: "And slaves, they make fine slaves. Fast learners."
Janeway: "I don't know if I disapprove of that."
This basic setup, as presented, would make way more sense for Worf than Torres. If Worf is put in a position where he's forced to play along with a Klingon prophecy that he knows doesn't apply to him, you don't need further explanation to set up conflict. He's a devout follower of these traditions and is honourable to a fault. But Torres... there's not nearly as much of a sense of inherent drama there, since she doesn't seem like she'd have any problem lying to these people to get them out of her hair. It needed more changes to make sense for her.
But then wouldn't Alexander be the Messiah? Shudder.
This is totally a Worf/Alexander story they recycled into Torres. And it really doesn't work.
@@planescaped To be fair, very few Alexander stories worked either.
Welp that’s another one down and another season completed. Anyone know which ones are left and guesses on what the final Voyager episode review will be?
The only two episodes he's yet to review are "Hunters" from season 4 and "Infinite Regress" from season 5.
@@Tubewings my guess is Infinite Regress will be the last one since it is a 7 of 9 episode and a decent one from what I remember about it.
@@Tubewings omg yes i forgot he did not do those 2 episodes which is why i felt like this felt a bit anti climatic for the last review episode of voyager lol.
While I do remember this episode from when it first aired, I had honestly forgotten about the Harry Kim/ Klingon Woman subplot entirely. Seriously even after watching this I have no recollection of any of these scenes.
Only two episodes left: Hunters and Infinite Regress.
3:00 "Time to separate the bridge section [...] with a hacksaw!" I recently watched a video about Klingon battle cruisers. Most are from board games or books... and there IS one with a Enterprise-D-like separation system. It comes apart with the 'bridge' section taking the long slender neck with it, and it kinda ends up looking like a Hitachi - if you get my meaning.
You can practically see the poor man's face with a pained expression when that scene comes.
Oh man, the episode everyone forgot about that technically makes the kids show not have a plot hole.
I would actually pay good money to watch episodes of a D-7 Klingon Battlecruiser roaming the Delta Quadrant.
I think the only time this was even mentioned was in a mission chain of Star Trek: Online.
Lore for the game’s backstory and timeline also delves into Miral’s developmental years being shadowed by curiousity of being a klingon messiah, which does indeed culminate in said Online mission where she gets kidnapped because of her blood.
Which is used to cure the Klingon Augment Virus from Enterprise that caused the Klingons to lose their cranial ridges and become the Klingons of TOS.
@@myriadmediamusings doesn't that mission also explain how the klingons got their forehead ridges back? It's been a while since I played, but I remember the guardian of forever being involved.
@@GrumpyMcfart that sounds a bit weird. lol.
I could be mis-remembering, but I recall it being a hugely pivotal plot point to the entire start of the game originally. For some reason the game's creators were huge fans of Voyager and built a lot of storylines around it foremost; it wasn't an appealing start.
Oooo, at 11:30 you can actually hear Chuck's soul leaving his body! Neat!
A Neelix X Tuvok shipping?
I need a bath typing just that much.
on behalf of she-hulks everywhere, neelix is the gigachad of this episode
Klingons getting belligerent is expected. A hunger strike though, that shows far more restraint and dedication than mere fisticuffs or trashing of a space.
Oddly enough, I feel like these Klingons might have been all that was left of T'Kuvma's fanatics after a couple centuries of exile after their own people realized "Yeah, these people are kind of nuts."
Man, these are funny and very well done. You should really do reviews of The Orville. Especially seasons 2 and 3. That would be a wild ride.
The antique bat'leth looks a lot like the prop from DS9 in the episode about the sword of Kahless.
"i've heard of lighting a fire, but never as"
Wow, not a history buff huh.
In the year 1519 Hernán Cortés arrived in the New World with six hundred men and, upon arrival, made history by destroying his ships. This sent a clear message to his men: There is no turning back
Well, at least Cortes waited until his men were off the ships to set them on fire.
You're not a history buff either - You literally copied that from the first internet result you found.
Also I'm pretty sure Cortez did go back to Spain.
@@rafstrayhorn5772 Yes i looked it up, however i remembered it enough from history to actually look it up primary because i didn't want to get the date wrong or name wrong. Its a pretty famous story though.
@@rafstrayhorn5772 As memory serves, Cortez didn't need to go back to Spain, since he started in Cuba, and could presumably catch a ride from there. Of course, that also assumes his little expedition wasn't hilariously illegal...
Considering you uploaded this on Sunday 25th - thank you for the birthday present Chuck!
11:30 I knew you were avoiding this episode for a reason.
Linkara and sf debris episodes on the same Day wow this is like Christmas
"We're all royalty if you go back far enough." is true though.
Once again we meet a group of people, some of whom could join the crew, but don't because last season and we'd never see them again anyway (EQUINOX survivors).
And we are left with the potential horror of there being a Klingon-Talaxian hybrid out there.
(13:38) The look on Tuvok's face. 😜
Wait til he sees the sheets.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 you think they used the bed?
Remember, Klingon beds are slabs. I’d be more worried about the tables.
So if this was written before Caretaker then which show was this written for TNG or DS9?
I'm going to guess both, starting with TNG and being moved to DS9 along with Worf and Alexander. I can totally see them doing this with Alexander and giving Worf another reason to try and make him a "real" Klingon.
@@mikegates8993 That's my guess, too. Seems they kept wanting to make Alexander important but never knowing how to do it.
The bones are there for a good episode but the clear lack of cohesion makes it fall apart:
Klingon Jesus
Torres confronting her Klingon heritage and the chance to be positively affected by it.
The crew meeting another group that's been there for generations leading to some to question if they really will get home.
All of it is interesting to work with but nothing is really done with it.
Y'know what I don't get? So Neelix clearly has the hots for this Klingon, and she seems to feel the same way for him. So why didn't he stay with her? I mean, he wound up leaving the ship soon enough anyway. And in my experience, when you meet a woman who wants to do all THAT with you, you don't let her go. lol
you forgot that Neelix trashed Tuvok's quarters
Actually, the bridge module of the Galaxy class could separate and become a giant lifeboat. It was never mentioned on screen though.
That's because as we saw, when Galaxy classes go, they go almost instantly. Except in Generations, and that still went kinda fast.
Janeway ordering Nelix to read them some Vogon poetry while they're in the shuttle bay would have made them voluntarily jump ship....
Damn, way to go, Chuck! If I'm not mistaken, you just have two episodes of Voyager left (Hunters and Infinite Regress)!
Good to hear a disgusted Chuck.
I haven't seen this episode in many years: how did all of the Klingons leave after they destroyed their own ship? Where did they go?
Some planet. Another class M planet that's uninhabited. Those are just everywhere.
Ewww! I did NOT need to start thinking about Klingon feet, man!
Neelix and Tuvok's relationship is definitely similar to that of Oscar and Felix from The Odd Couple.
I always read a background undercurrent of Islamic influences, getting sacred texts while to then run and write them in a scroll. Going on a long pilgrimage.
What I enjoyed most was the brass tactics, utilitarian view of faith from the leader. It was just a unique perspective.
The coup was stupid, and forced.
The evil Janeway character wasn't a caricature/parody, it was reality 😂. There are no mercy killings on my ship
"Um yeah, I did that."
At least the Klingons drop the lie faster than certain massive Eurasian countries I could name... when confronted with evidence.
I remember hating this episode, mostly due to it being another contrived Alpha quadrant thing in the Delta quadrant story, which I never like. Especially coupled with a reset button ending and never being mentioned again. It's annoying enough that Equinox and Ransom are never mentioned again and have no long-term impact, but at least their episode was really good.
Also, it would be quite the sight seeing Star Trek do the whole sexy female alien storybeat with the genders reversed. Suddenly it doesn't seem so fun and whimsical and the doctors reaction comes off a lot more messed up. XD
The 90s were actually pretty messed up about that sort of thing. Reverse sexual harassment was seen as a joke and it wasn't alone. It doesn't seem that long ago but it was actually frighteningly backwards.
What a scathing review at the end, yet the score is still a 4. That says more about Voyager than anything else.
in a way you are overthinking or overlooking the basics.
Prophecy is about just that Prophecies. And how any Prophecy can bet "twisted" after the fact to seem like it applies. Its about culture religion, and again, how anyone can twist a situation to make it seem like it fits a Prophecy. There are people that believe in things like Nostradamus and try to make events fit.
and all to often the events they choose are convoluted, disjointed, and really don't mean anything but to them, its proof THEY are right and everyone who denies it is wrong.
"look a bright flash in the sky on the night of chutsaria!" "Thats an aircraft strobe light" "Doesn't matter! its there!"
Great video as always! Did you ever do a video on the Voyager episode the Thaw? I know you mentioned it in many if your videos but I could not find it in your videos list. I thought it was a unique episode as well.
he did. just type it into the search field.
I like this episode but my issue with this is similar to the one with the other Federation ship whose name eludes me.
Voyager is a series that would had benefitted from a Babylon 5 approach to story telling instead, have the other Federation ship join Voyager, have Voyager suffer permanent damages that requires repairs, and have these Klingons also join Voyager and get their weapons upgraded by the Voyager crew. The Klingons could have been searching for the Kuh'wa'mak, exploring wormholes and stuff and ended up here eventually. They bash blows a bit before resolving the conflict and becoming allies, and by the time Voyager returns to Earth, it's either a mishmash of several ships, or it's a small group of ships.
Alas, missed potential Voyager be thy name.
PS. Neelix is hilarious in this episode.
After the Klingon did so much for DS9 as well.
You gotta hand it to Star Trek repeatedly treating sexual harassment as a comedic B-plot.
(13:52) SNM: Ugh. 🙃
Also do a neelix / officer cherayga fanfiction plzzz
Do read dwarfs the beginning
I think you are taking this far too seriously. I know, you probably heard this a million times. I actually enjoyed this episode. This was a fun Klingon romp. There were alot of stupid or dull episodes on Voyager but this isn't one of them.
so correct me if i am wrong but i think this is review is the last episode of voyager he has to do of all of voyager.
I've seen other people say he has two more.
@@mikegates8993 yes i read that too that is why i said i could be wrong but i forgot he has 2 other episodes left to review lol
So, I think there are 3 episodes of Voyager left to review?
Two: Hunters and Infinite Regress.
@@horaciosi You're right! I didn't have Riddles checked off my list.
Or mechrocky
It's even funnier when ya what kuva mark (can't spell it) translate into polish!!!
Should I be worried that Neelix is braver than Harry for get it on with a Klingon woman? A shame you never did a "Poor dumb Harry" tally
11:25 and 13:38 OH GOD CHUCK WHY!?!?
Why would you subject us to this, we're loyal Subscribers?! I did- Neelix in be- 😭
This was so stupid, they are so far from home, and space is tremendously large. And they just happened to run into each other. And the Klingon messiah bit was terrible. So many stupid plots.
(11:20) 🤣
Someone make a tuvok/neelix annoying fanfiction
you know they could do a show just about the Delta quadrant it's got humans Klingons and the dinosaur people that came from Earth they could call it Star Trek Delta😀
They probably already have, with the 50 different Star Trek shows Paramount is pushing out, it will be hot garbage that makes Voyager look like the best written show of all time in comparison though and ruin every Delta quadrant race and lore.
@@kommodore6691 your probably right😀
11:30... Ew... ew... ew... ew...
Otherwise, it's a rather stupid episode.