A Look at Prophecy (Voyager)

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
  • Opinionated Voyager Episode Guide goes to season 7 to ask why there haven't been Klingons, only to be given a very convincing answer.

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  • @paulwalker3758
    @paulwalker3758 Год назад +22

    I always thought the Klingons got it wrong.
    I read it as The Doctor was the messiah.
    “You will follow in my footsteps before I have made them” - Delta Quadrant
    “Younger than old age and stronger than sickness” - Hologram
    “After two warring houses make peace” - Maquis and Starfleet on Voyager
    “Descended from an honourable house” - the house of healers.
    It doesn’t all fit perfectly, but then neither did the original for Torres’ child.

    • @WDC_OSA
      @WDC_OSA Год назад +9

      Wow, I think that it would have been a delightful twist if one of the Klingons came to this conclusion.

  • @travis7294
    @travis7294 Год назад +32

    They gave away all of Torres' plots to others.
    The Doctor fixed the disease, Tom fought someone, and Neelix...
    Well, the less said about that the better.

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 Год назад

      Kim got in trouble for getting laid one time and decided to not get sex when he had PERMISSION from the doctor this time.

    • @ravenwilder4099
      @ravenwilder4099 Год назад +8

      Fix something, get pissed off, or screw somebody: yep, those are all of Torres's things.

  • @KingOfMadCows
    @KingOfMadCows Год назад +43

    It's always disappointing when Voyager has an episode with an interesting idea but doesn't do much with it. It would have been cool if these Klingons were very different than the Beta Quadrant Klingons because they've been traveling for more than a hundred years and they've picked up alien crew and technology from other races to repair their ship. It would have been interesting if this group of Klingons had actually settled on a planet and built up a mini-Klingon empire. They could have expanded on why these Klingons left. Why do they think the Klingon Empire is corrupt? Do they dislike how Klingons have become so focused on war and neglect other parts of their civilization? Do they think the Empire doesn't fight enough and too many houses are using underhanded tactics to gain power instead of engaging in honorable combat?

    • @dragon22214
      @dragon22214 Год назад +3

      What chuck has often said they could been so much more

    • @scockery
      @scockery Год назад +2

      Like how a group of humand descended from abducted humans from the early 20th entury built a civilization that we don't have the budget to show the audience. Oh, and none of them want to sign on Voyager, I mean who would?

  • @ravenwilder4099
    @ravenwilder4099 Год назад +37

    You've been covering Stupid Nelix Moments for years, but you've been keeping that wonderful, utterly disgusted sigh in reserve for this home stretch. Kudos.

    • @Redrally
      @Redrally Год назад +6

      I misread your comment as Netflix for some reason. 😅

    • @daveroche6522
      @daveroche6522 Год назад +2

      Showdowns I'd LOVE to see - Voyagers Nelix v. Babylon 5s Bester [i.e. the Galaxys most insufferable buffoon v. the Galaxys biggest shit].....

    • @jatkinson85
      @jatkinson85 Год назад +1

      @@daveroche6522 Neelix would be reduced to a literal brainless gibbering wreck with even Micheal Garibaldi looking on in approval at Bester's handiwork

    • @daveroche6522
      @daveroche6522 Год назад

      @@jatkinson85 Neelix: "Hello Mr. Telepath. I was just looking for Security Lossifer Scowly McBaldman here",
      Baldigary: "Fraggit - just what I need, yet another alien arsehole spouting unending spaceshite. Where's my hidden stash of Aldebaran whiskey? Dammit John I had it hidden in bowl of spoo",
      Vir: "HIC!",
      Bester: "Indeed Mr. Baldigary - suddenly I'm not the most punchable little shit in the galaxy, eh? Never mind, I'll see to it" - stares at Neelix...
      WHLUUMMMPF - Neelixs head simultaneously implodes and melts -
      Baldigary, Bester and Kosh (who just suddently appeared in the background): "HUZZAH! Bravari and flarn alround". Commander I'mamoron bangs out AC/DCs 'Rock you Heart out' on the bagpipes, Kirk treats Janeway to a well-deserved dropkick while Sheridan just sighs and looks knowingly into camera.
      ruclips.net/video/XnVCmp71NdM/видео.html
      PLEEEEEEEASE can I direct that scene?

  • @BelieveIt1051
    @BelieveIt1051 Год назад +15

    There are no mercy killings on Janeway's ship, but only because there is no mercy. Good old-fashioned killings are just fine.

    • @mikegates8993
      @mikegates8993 Год назад +6

      "If a death doesn't last for a minimum of 3 hours, what's the point of killing someone?" Probably Janeway.

    • @KianaWolf
      @KianaWolf Год назад +6

      "You didn't praise my name enough while begging for death, so your suffering must continue." seems like a very Janeway sentiment.

    • @KertaDrake
      @KertaDrake Год назад +3

      Too bad Tuvok didn't take the opportunity he had while he had it. If he'd strangled Neelix there, no court would have convicted him! Janeway sure wouldn't! Sure, she might be annoyed at losing such an effective means of giving her crew suffering through questionable cuisine, but she'd just get over it like a dead goldfish and pick up the first questionable character they come across to make up for it.

  • @mikegates8993
    @mikegates8993 Год назад +22

    You've got to love that the child of Tom Paris is apparently a messiah to an alien race. Not even being subtle during season 7, are they? Actually, I think this might've worked a little better in Enterprise as a source of the hostility between the Klingons and Federation.

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 Год назад +7

      I'm surprised they didn't bring her back in Star Trek Picard to milk more of the franchise

    • @ironmiron9666
      @ironmiron9666 Год назад +8

      Tom Paris is the Pinnacle of Humanity. His seed is so potent that none of his children will be anything less than demigods.

    • @mikegates8993
      @mikegates8993 Год назад +5

      @@ironmiron9666 Even the salamanders?

    • @DanteCorwyn
      @DanteCorwyn Год назад

      @@mikegates8993 they're also the spawn of Janeway. Technically they'd be the anti-christ.

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 Год назад +1

      @@mikegates8993 especially the fckn lizards

  • @VoidNull9222
    @VoidNull9222 Год назад +55

    You can’t fault Harry in this episode, the last time he had sex it resulted in a permanent note on his service record and an alien STD
    Plus his still lingering feelings for Libby/Tom/Seven/that one hologram/the wrong Delaney twin

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 Год назад +4

      Well last time, he did it on impulse. It's like nothing good ever happens to Kim

    • @SirMarshalHaig
      @SirMarshalHaig 9 месяцев назад

      That and after years under Janeway the idea of violent Klingon Snusnu probably feels way too vanilla for him 😅

  • @ObsessiveCostumingDude
    @ObsessiveCostumingDude Год назад +16

    Ah, Tom and B'Elanna's child being a Klingon messiah ... the plot point that goes NOWHERE!
    VOYAGER's specialty. :D
    (Glad to hear you've apparently recovered from COVID and are feeling better, Chuck! Thanks for the great review as always.)

    • @777rick777
      @777rick777 Год назад +1

      It does go somewhere in Star Trek Online at least

  • @bradwolf07
    @bradwolf07 Год назад +10

    Neelix volunteering to bunk with his absolute best friend Tuvok. Another classic Neelix move... Quick Tuvok, now's your chance to give him that *wink wink* accident he deserves

    • @JosephDavies
      @JosephDavies Год назад +4

      If Neelix suddenly fell out a window, no one would question it.

  • @TheWoblinGoblin
    @TheWoblinGoblin Год назад +8

    If I had written this episode, the klingons would have eaten Neelix, to show its somewhat serious

    • @scockery
      @scockery Год назад +3

      Klingon: "His lungs taste like Ocampa."
      Janeway: "You've met the Ocampa?"
      Klingon: "We used to raise them for food...they grow so fast."
      Janeway: "I don't approve of that."
      Klingon: "And slaves, they make fine slaves. Fast learners."
      Janeway: "I don't know if I disapprove of that."

  • @Talisguy
    @Talisguy Год назад +8

    This basic setup, as presented, would make way more sense for Worf than Torres. If Worf is put in a position where he's forced to play along with a Klingon prophecy that he knows doesn't apply to him, you don't need further explanation to set up conflict. He's a devout follower of these traditions and is honourable to a fault. But Torres... there's not nearly as much of a sense of inherent drama there, since she doesn't seem like she'd have any problem lying to these people to get them out of her hair. It needed more changes to make sense for her.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Год назад

      But then wouldn't Alexander be the Messiah? Shudder.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped Год назад

      This is totally a Worf/Alexander story they recycled into Torres. And it really doesn't work.

    • @Swiftbow
      @Swiftbow Год назад

      @@planescaped To be fair, very few Alexander stories worked either.

  • @myriadmediamusings
    @myriadmediamusings Год назад +9

    Welp that’s another one down and another season completed. Anyone know which ones are left and guesses on what the final Voyager episode review will be?

    • @Tubewings
      @Tubewings Год назад +8

      The only two episodes he's yet to review are "Hunters" from season 4 and "Infinite Regress" from season 5.

    • @travis7294
      @travis7294 Год назад +5

      @@Tubewings my guess is Infinite Regress will be the last one since it is a 7 of 9 episode and a decent one from what I remember about it.

    • @thewewguy8t88
      @thewewguy8t88 Год назад

      @@Tubewings omg yes i forgot he did not do those 2 episodes which is why i felt like this felt a bit anti climatic for the last review episode of voyager lol.

  • @suralos
    @suralos Год назад +4

    While I do remember this episode from when it first aired, I had honestly forgotten about the Harry Kim/ Klingon Woman subplot entirely. Seriously even after watching this I have no recollection of any of these scenes.

  • @horaciosi
    @horaciosi Год назад +3

    Only two episodes left: Hunters and Infinite Regress.

  • @trenthawkins
    @trenthawkins 5 месяцев назад +1

    3:00 "Time to separate the bridge section [...] with a hacksaw!" I recently watched a video about Klingon battle cruisers. Most are from board games or books... and there IS one with a Enterprise-D-like separation system. It comes apart with the 'bridge' section taking the long slender neck with it, and it kinda ends up looking like a Hitachi - if you get my meaning.

  • @Mate397
    @Mate397 Год назад +1

    You can practically see the poor man's face with a pained expression when that scene comes.

  • @sugarfrosted2005
    @sugarfrosted2005 Год назад +4

    Oh man, the episode everyone forgot about that technically makes the kids show not have a plot hole.

  • @antwan1357
    @antwan1357 Месяц назад +1

    I would actually pay good money to watch episodes of a D-7 Klingon Battlecruiser roaming the Delta Quadrant.

  • @ImperatorPenguin
    @ImperatorPenguin Год назад +4

    I think the only time this was even mentioned was in a mission chain of Star Trek: Online.

    • @myriadmediamusings
      @myriadmediamusings Год назад +1

      Lore for the game’s backstory and timeline also delves into Miral’s developmental years being shadowed by curiousity of being a klingon messiah, which does indeed culminate in said Online mission where she gets kidnapped because of her blood.

    • @marshallhuffer4713
      @marshallhuffer4713 Год назад

      Which is used to cure the Klingon Augment Virus from Enterprise that caused the Klingons to lose their cranial ridges and become the Klingons of TOS.

    • @GrumpyMcfart
      @GrumpyMcfart Год назад +1

      @@myriadmediamusings doesn't that mission also explain how the klingons got their forehead ridges back? It's been a while since I played, but I remember the guardian of forever being involved.

    • @thewewguy8t88
      @thewewguy8t88 Год назад

      @@GrumpyMcfart that sounds a bit weird. lol.

    • @JosephDavies
      @JosephDavies Год назад +1

      I could be mis-remembering, but I recall it being a hugely pivotal plot point to the entire start of the game originally. For some reason the game's creators were huge fans of Voyager and built a lot of storylines around it foremost; it wasn't an appealing start.

  • @cambiata
    @cambiata Год назад +1

    Oooo, at 11:30 you can actually hear Chuck's soul leaving his body! Neat!

  • @ImaginaryTerrie3
    @ImaginaryTerrie3 Год назад +4

    A Neelix X Tuvok shipping?
    I need a bath typing just that much.

  • @zEropoint68
    @zEropoint68 Год назад +1

    on behalf of she-hulks everywhere, neelix is the gigachad of this episode

  • @bthsr7113
    @bthsr7113 Месяц назад

    Klingons getting belligerent is expected. A hunger strike though, that shows far more restraint and dedication than mere fisticuffs or trashing of a space.

  • @KertaDrake
    @KertaDrake Год назад +1

    Oddly enough, I feel like these Klingons might have been all that was left of T'Kuvma's fanatics after a couple centuries of exile after their own people realized "Yeah, these people are kind of nuts."

  • @Meoknet
    @Meoknet Год назад +1

    Man, these are funny and very well done. You should really do reviews of The Orville. Especially seasons 2 and 3. That would be a wild ride.

  • @amead78
    @amead78 Год назад +2

    The antique bat'leth looks a lot like the prop from DS9 in the episode about the sword of Kahless.

  • @jenniferstewarts4851
    @jenniferstewarts4851 Год назад +7

    "i've heard of lighting a fire, but never as"
    Wow, not a history buff huh.
    In the year 1519 Hernán Cortés arrived in the New World with six hundred men and, upon arrival, made history by destroying his ships. This sent a clear message to his men: There is no turning back

    • @Talisguy
      @Talisguy Год назад +1

      Well, at least Cortes waited until his men were off the ships to set them on fire.

    • @rafstrayhorn5772
      @rafstrayhorn5772 Год назад +1

      You're not a history buff either - You literally copied that from the first internet result you found.
      Also I'm pretty sure Cortez did go back to Spain.

    • @jenniferstewarts4851
      @jenniferstewarts4851 Год назад

      @@rafstrayhorn5772 Yes i looked it up, however i remembered it enough from history to actually look it up primary because i didn't want to get the date wrong or name wrong. Its a pretty famous story though.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 Год назад

      @@rafstrayhorn5772 As memory serves, Cortez didn't need to go back to Spain, since he started in Cuba, and could presumably catch a ride from there. Of course, that also assumes his little expedition wasn't hilariously illegal...

  • @Redrally
    @Redrally Год назад

    Considering you uploaded this on Sunday 25th - thank you for the birthday present Chuck!

  • @chrisw207
    @chrisw207 Год назад +3

    11:30 I knew you were avoiding this episode for a reason.

  • @AlSidre
    @AlSidre Год назад +2

    Linkara and sf debris episodes on the same Day wow this is like Christmas

  • @ChrissieBear
    @ChrissieBear 10 месяцев назад

    "We're all royalty if you go back far enough." is true though.

  • @scockery
    @scockery Год назад +1

    Once again we meet a group of people, some of whom could join the crew, but don't because last season and we'd never see them again anyway (EQUINOX survivors).
    And we are left with the potential horror of there being a Klingon-Talaxian hybrid out there.

  • @CybershamanX
    @CybershamanX Год назад +2

    (13:38) The look on Tuvok's face. 😜

    • @trazyntheinfinite9895
      @trazyntheinfinite9895 Год назад

      Wait til he sees the sheets.

    • @paulwalker3758
      @paulwalker3758 Год назад

      @@trazyntheinfinite9895 you think they used the bed?
      Remember, Klingon beds are slabs. I’d be more worried about the tables.

  • @AFMountaineer2000
    @AFMountaineer2000 Год назад +3

    So if this was written before Caretaker then which show was this written for TNG or DS9?

    • @mikegates8993
      @mikegates8993 Год назад +2

      I'm going to guess both, starting with TNG and being moved to DS9 along with Worf and Alexander. I can totally see them doing this with Alexander and giving Worf another reason to try and make him a "real" Klingon.

    • @JosephDavies
      @JosephDavies Год назад

      @@mikegates8993 That's my guess, too. Seems they kept wanting to make Alexander important but never knowing how to do it.

  • @silence_dais
    @silence_dais Год назад +1

    The bones are there for a good episode but the clear lack of cohesion makes it fall apart:
    Klingon Jesus
    Torres confronting her Klingon heritage and the chance to be positively affected by it.
    The crew meeting another group that's been there for generations leading to some to question if they really will get home.
    All of it is interesting to work with but nothing is really done with it.

  • @Jygerthe2nd
    @Jygerthe2nd Год назад +2

    Y'know what I don't get? So Neelix clearly has the hots for this Klingon, and she seems to feel the same way for him. So why didn't he stay with her? I mean, he wound up leaving the ship soon enough anyway. And in my experience, when you meet a woman who wants to do all THAT with you, you don't let her go. lol

  • @yzdatabase4175
    @yzdatabase4175 7 месяцев назад

    you forgot that Neelix trashed Tuvok's quarters

  • @kyle857
    @kyle857 Год назад +1

    Actually, the bridge module of the Galaxy class could separate and become a giant lifeboat. It was never mentioned on screen though.

    • @scockery
      @scockery Год назад +1

      That's because as we saw, when Galaxy classes go, they go almost instantly. Except in Generations, and that still went kinda fast.

  • @daveroche6522
    @daveroche6522 Год назад

    Janeway ordering Nelix to read them some Vogon poetry while they're in the shuttle bay would have made them voluntarily jump ship....

  • @Charmolution
    @Charmolution Год назад

    Damn, way to go, Chuck! If I'm not mistaken, you just have two episodes of Voyager left (Hunters and Infinite Regress)!

  • @dendostar5436
    @dendostar5436 Год назад

    Good to hear a disgusted Chuck.

  • @dupersuper1938
    @dupersuper1938 Год назад

    I haven't seen this episode in many years: how did all of the Klingons leave after they destroyed their own ship? Where did they go?

    • @scockery
      @scockery Год назад

      Some planet. Another class M planet that's uninhabited. Those are just everywhere.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Год назад

    Ewww! I did NOT need to start thinking about Klingon feet, man!

  • @marshallhuffer4713
    @marshallhuffer4713 Год назад

    Neelix and Tuvok's relationship is definitely similar to that of Oscar and Felix from The Odd Couple.

  • @drakejohnson5386
    @drakejohnson5386 8 месяцев назад

    I always read a background undercurrent of Islamic influences, getting sacred texts while to then run and write them in a scroll. Going on a long pilgrimage.
    What I enjoyed most was the brass tactics, utilitarian view of faith from the leader. It was just a unique perspective.
    The coup was stupid, and forced.
    The evil Janeway character wasn't a caricature/parody, it was reality 😂. There are no mercy killings on my ship

  • @bthsr7113
    @bthsr7113 Месяц назад

    "Um yeah, I did that."
    At least the Klingons drop the lie faster than certain massive Eurasian countries I could name... when confronted with evidence.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped Год назад +2

    I remember hating this episode, mostly due to it being another contrived Alpha quadrant thing in the Delta quadrant story, which I never like. Especially coupled with a reset button ending and never being mentioned again. It's annoying enough that Equinox and Ransom are never mentioned again and have no long-term impact, but at least their episode was really good.
    Also, it would be quite the sight seeing Star Trek do the whole sexy female alien storybeat with the genders reversed. Suddenly it doesn't seem so fun and whimsical and the doctors reaction comes off a lot more messed up. XD

    • @rafstrayhorn5772
      @rafstrayhorn5772 Год назад +1

      The 90s were actually pretty messed up about that sort of thing. Reverse sexual harassment was seen as a joke and it wasn't alone. It doesn't seem that long ago but it was actually frighteningly backwards.

  • @noblehelium3794
    @noblehelium3794 Год назад +1

    What a scathing review at the end, yet the score is still a 4. That says more about Voyager than anything else.

  • @jenniferstewarts4851
    @jenniferstewarts4851 Год назад +1

    in a way you are overthinking or overlooking the basics.
    Prophecy is about just that Prophecies. And how any Prophecy can bet "twisted" after the fact to seem like it applies. Its about culture religion, and again, how anyone can twist a situation to make it seem like it fits a Prophecy. There are people that believe in things like Nostradamus and try to make events fit.
    and all to often the events they choose are convoluted, disjointed, and really don't mean anything but to them, its proof THEY are right and everyone who denies it is wrong.
    "look a bright flash in the sky on the night of chutsaria!" "Thats an aircraft strobe light" "Doesn't matter! its there!"

  • @nickatmacomb8965
    @nickatmacomb8965 Год назад

    Great video as always! Did you ever do a video on the Voyager episode the Thaw? I know you mentioned it in many if your videos but I could not find it in your videos list. I thought it was a unique episode as well.

  • @Zeithri
    @Zeithri Год назад +1

    I like this episode but my issue with this is similar to the one with the other Federation ship whose name eludes me.
    Voyager is a series that would had benefitted from a Babylon 5 approach to story telling instead, have the other Federation ship join Voyager, have Voyager suffer permanent damages that requires repairs, and have these Klingons also join Voyager and get their weapons upgraded by the Voyager crew. The Klingons could have been searching for the Kuh'wa'mak, exploring wormholes and stuff and ended up here eventually. They bash blows a bit before resolving the conflict and becoming allies, and by the time Voyager returns to Earth, it's either a mishmash of several ships, or it's a small group of ships.
    Alas, missed potential Voyager be thy name.
    PS. Neelix is hilarious in this episode.

  • @kradeiz
    @kradeiz Год назад

    You gotta hand it to Star Trek repeatedly treating sexual harassment as a comedic B-plot.

  • @CybershamanX
    @CybershamanX Год назад +1

    (13:52) SNM: Ugh. 🙃

  • @izzafizza339
    @izzafizza339 Год назад

    Also do a neelix / officer cherayga fanfiction plzzz

  • @dylanthomas385
    @dylanthomas385 Год назад

    Do read dwarfs the beginning

  • @seannixon745
    @seannixon745 Год назад

    I think you are taking this far too seriously. I know, you probably heard this a million times. I actually enjoyed this episode. This was a fun Klingon romp. There were alot of stupid or dull episodes on Voyager but this isn't one of them.

  • @thewewguy8t88
    @thewewguy8t88 Год назад

    so correct me if i am wrong but i think this is review is the last episode of voyager he has to do of all of voyager.

    • @mikegates8993
      @mikegates8993 Год назад +1

      I've seen other people say he has two more.

    • @thewewguy8t88
      @thewewguy8t88 Год назад

      @@mikegates8993 yes i read that too that is why i said i could be wrong but i forgot he has 2 other episodes left to review lol

  • @Platanov
    @Platanov Год назад

    So, I think there are 3 episodes of Voyager left to review?

    • @horaciosi
      @horaciosi Год назад

      Two: Hunters and Infinite Regress.

    • @Platanov
      @Platanov Год назад

      @@horaciosi You're right! I didn't have Riddles checked off my list.

  • @dylanthomas385
    @dylanthomas385 Год назад

    Or mechrocky

  • @indianastones6032
    @indianastones6032 Год назад

    It's even funnier when ya what kuva mark (can't spell it) translate into polish!!!

  • @andrewshearsby8125
    @andrewshearsby8125 Год назад

    Should I be worried that Neelix is braver than Harry for get it on with a Klingon woman? A shame you never did a "Poor dumb Harry" tally

  • @Winter-The-Masquerade
    @Winter-The-Masquerade Год назад

    11:25 and 13:38 OH GOD CHUCK WHY!?!?
    Why would you subject us to this, we're loyal Subscribers?! I did- Neelix in be- 😭

  • @john1701q
    @john1701q 10 месяцев назад

    This was so stupid, they are so far from home, and space is tremendously large. And they just happened to run into each other. And the Klingon messiah bit was terrible. So many stupid plots.

  • @CybershamanX
    @CybershamanX Год назад

    (11:20) 🤣

  • @izzafizza339
    @izzafizza339 Год назад

    Someone make a tuvok/neelix annoying fanfiction

  • @captainjellicoe1701e
    @captainjellicoe1701e Год назад

    you know they could do a show just about the Delta quadrant it's got humans Klingons and the dinosaur people that came from Earth they could call it Star Trek Delta😀

    • @kommodore6691
      @kommodore6691 Год назад +2

      They probably already have, with the 50 different Star Trek shows Paramount is pushing out, it will be hot garbage that makes Voyager look like the best written show of all time in comparison though and ruin every Delta quadrant race and lore.

    • @captainjellicoe1701e
      @captainjellicoe1701e Год назад

      @@kommodore6691 your probably right😀

  • @hariman7727
    @hariman7727 Год назад

    11:30... Ew... ew... ew... ew...
    Otherwise, it's a rather stupid episode.