Saul Rubinek is such a fascinating actor, and it's not easy to pin down exactly why. Obviously he has talent, but it's more than that. Physically he's no Adonis, yet he has that elusive quality known as screen presence. He galvanizes a scene when he's in it with a kind of casual intensity, not an easy feat to pull off.
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The funny thing is this is not the last time that Saul Rubinek will be dealing with a secret organization in the 2000s that aired on Sci-Fi. The other two are Eureka (as a one off guest star), and Warehouse 13 (as Artie Nielsen).
Nobody, no group is so innocent that they have done no wrong, but people have stopped asking if others are honest or have a hidden agenda. Everything happens for a reason, with causes going back centuries, but people have stopped asking why, or looking for the causes. People call themselves trustworthy and tell you to trust no one else but them... despite the many lies that have been told by them that are in blatant evidence. It's horrifying. Also the review and commentary is excellent, like it always is. It's been so long, I forgot this review, so it's good to see it again.
My favorite episode of SG:1. Not only because it is pretty good in and of itself. But also because it is a microcosmos of the whole show. It has everything, great acting of regulars and guest stars, comedy and drama (and mixing them without becoming cringe), great writing, great character work.
I didn't realize this was the first appearance of Woolsey (and Inauguration is right after). I had remembered him as having a longer arc before he more or less sides with Hammond's SGC faction in Inauguration.
I'm one of those people who includes the Robots, the parallel universes, and other timelines for all of Daniel's deaths, but I don't include his near deaths where he gets saved at the last minute or ascends. I'm also not including the events of Fire and Water. Overall, he dies about seven times. Once in the original movie, once in there but for the grace of god, Likely once in the fan fix episode, his robot counterpart dies in double jeopardy, he dies in ancient Egypt, probably of old age, his parallel timeline self dies after he gets taken by a goa'uld, and he dies at the end of Stargate Continuum so that Mitchell can go back and preserve their timeline from Ba'al taking over the universe.
I'm sort of the opposite, personally. I would count all the times The Jackson We Have Now died, and exclude copies, clones, robots, or any other Some OtherJackson. I would include times where people *thought* he died, behaved as if he died, like "Fire and Water," or ascending. I would not include times where it's just the audience who thinks he died, fake-outs like that - but if the people in the show think he's died, did the mourning song and dance, I would count that. Otherwise I feel like you'd have to include all those mirror universe Jacksons (the mirror, for example) that we know died but never see. And I feel like excluding times where he didn't technically die but people think he did as ignoring the impact death has on people - half the episode of "Fire and Water" is about how the team reacts to the idea of him dying, and finding out they were lied to and manipulated, after all. I think they're both alright stances, I just have a differing opinion is all :B
So glad to see you reupload these episodes. Not only am I a huge Stargate fan, but I honestly think you do a fantastic job with these reviews. Thanks again, Chuck ❤
I like this episode. Both "heroes" and SFdebris. I had heard this was loosely based on an episode of MASH. I gotta say loosely was a good descriptor, because I saw that MASH episode about a month ago, and it is a very good one. But a journalist covering a military thing making a story that never sees the light of day and someone dying in a combat situation and it having a real emotional impact are where they are similar. I believe the journalist died in the MASH episode and the main doctor ( Hawkeye) having the emotional thing are switched. They both hit me in my heart. But I also like it when sci-fi takes another story, and throws a twist on it. So many examples. Some take a story already redone in sci-fi and do it again. Darmok from TNG was Enemy Mine, which was a retelling of...................damn I forgot. A world war story. This one is good because it doesn't have to be a science fiction story. It could have been a Gulf war story, a 9/11 story, a firefighter story, whatever situation and it works as a story. But the acting, director, crew, even the guy cleaning the costumes really makes it. Saul Rubinek is a Tom Hanks quality actor, Ronny Cox, Rick, Amanda, Don, Michael, Adam Baldwin and the guys who play the escort and Siler are all so good and most of the cast play support to Saul. It's just good. I think if someone wanted to edit it correctly, it could be made to look like an episode of a show where Saul is a bumbling reporter and it would still be good.
@@davido.1233 That would be nice. Though he'd fully be in his rights to do a recurring gag of "Just Tesla the guy!" Overall good series, but they forget they have stun blasters WAY too often.
You do have an agenda. You wish to spotlight the impeccable acting talents of Saul Rubinek and Ronny Cox. Two of America's most precious "Hey It's That Guy!" Guys. As for me and my political leanings; I'm still reeling over the fact that one of our two current major party Veep candidates actually owned a Sega Dreamcast... And it wasn't the millennial!
I watched this episode when it game out and felt gutted by the outcome. When I got the DVD box set I refused to watch this with the commentary, I skipped over it.
Put me in the camp of ''the Stargate Program stayed secret way too long both in-universe and out.'' In-universe because seemingly hundreds of thousands of people know about this thing by the time of Stargate Universe and out because it began to greatly limit possible stories by sticking to an old formula that was about 15 years old by the end. In fact I kind of wonder if that is one of the reasons why this show died actually, a refusal to take the big chances with a waning concept. Giving us a ''Star Trek Enterprise'' style softcore adult do-over that nobody wanted was the icing on the cake.
Universe was significantly different from the first two shows, I don't think that is an unwillingness to take chances. If anything it was too different from the previous shows and they shouldn't have cancelled Atlantis, but MGM was doing very poorly and wasn't willing to pay for both shows. I do think that they had written themselves into a corner by the end, but that is because the Tau'ri had gotten too much power creep and there couldn't be any credible adversaries anymore. Once you've defeated literal gods there isn't really anywhere to go, which is why for Universe they had to go with a stranded group concept.
@@noblehelium3794 It is ironic that you mention that Earth was overpowered from defeating literal gods as the main villain of SGU seemed to be shaping up to be God Himself. They were leaning hard on the Christian imagery in a way that the show hadn't before. Even Destiny's mission was to go off and find a message sent at the beginning of time. I am both intrigued by this concept and glad that they never managed to finish it because I am getting severe flashbacks to ''Star Trek V The Final Frontier'' with this plotline. There is no way that the network would ever have had the balls to show the actual Christian God so it would have been another ''fake god'' plot and once again confirming my theory that the show was growing very stale on its one idea.
I don't count the robots or alternate universe Daniels, as they are their own people with their own Death tallies but mortally wounded before being saved by a Sarcophagus... That's one I'm on the fence for. I also don't count MIA assumed KIA. And Ascendancy is another shrug.
The ugly issue of the SGC, later Homeworld Command. How and when to go public. As fascinating as it could be to see that play out, with the Setting having to fully diverge and decouple from our own reality and timeline, I also don't see it being feasible for writers to tackle. In universe at the time of this episode, there was already room for a MASSIVE outcry internationally. And by the end of SGU... Well that Outcry would justifiably be even grander.
@@bthsr7113 Especially using said prequel as a gauge of public interest. It'd be like putting out boiled cauliflower as a gauge to see if someone is hungry for some apple pie. Ya kinda... missing the point of what people are interested in by doing that, so how helpful is that info gonna be? Not very.
Not a fan of SG1, but Saul Rubinek makes everything better. Vaguely remember this episode, with his character getting the runaround with the others, which just seemed petty to me. He's here to do a job, and the other fail to understand that if they actually take the time to say their piece, he'd be gone. Plus, I remember him talking to someone about how he didn't see Carter die, but see her save someone's life.
One part of the job is to limit what you talk about with outsider. It is better to give less. Also, they dealt with a group that threatened family members.
That Mitchell and Webb Look. They also had the conspiracy to fake the moon landing and the conspiracy to arrange Princess Di's murder. Coincidentally, their radio show (That Michell and Webb Sound) had a running gag about Brown's Orthopedic Supply who somehow had their own Stargate, which the staff were often being chastised over misusing ("Urinating through the Stargate violates Brown's Orthopedic Supply's health and safety, and the aliens on the other side don't like it.")
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The running gag of how many times Daniel has 'died' is easily one of my favorites in the series.
Saul Rubinek is such a fascinating actor, and it's not easy to pin down exactly why. Obviously he has talent, but it's more than that. Physically he's no Adonis, yet he has that elusive quality known as screen presence. He galvanizes a scene when he's in it with a kind of casual intensity, not an easy feat to pull off.
It's strange that he was basically never a regular in any show I'm aware of, save Warehouse 13.
Saul is unique. He has, in Heinlein's words, his "own face".
@@bthsr7113 He also had a recurrent role in the Equalizer tv show
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Daniel Jackson, Jean Grey, Optimus Prime and Krillin All meat for poker every time they die.
The funny thing is this is not the last time that Saul Rubinek will be dealing with a secret organization in the 2000s that aired on Sci-Fi. The other two are Eureka (as a one off guest star), and Warehouse 13 (as Artie Nielsen).
And in the 2010's, he was dealing with another one in Person of Interest.
He was also a time traveller in an episode of the ‘90s Outer Limits.
@@DanteCorwyn Ah, yes, he made a fantastic guest star in that episode..
@@DanteCorwyn Man that was a great show that went way off the rails.
Chuck's agenda is bringing me the Stargate content I so desperately crave.
Nobody, no group is so innocent that they have done no wrong, but people have stopped asking if others are honest or have a hidden agenda.
Everything happens for a reason, with causes going back centuries, but people have stopped asking why, or looking for the causes.
People call themselves trustworthy and tell you to trust no one else but them... despite the many lies that have been told by them that are in blatant evidence.
It's horrifying.
Also the review and commentary is excellent, like it always is. It's been so long, I forgot this review, so it's good to see it again.
And here I was thinking that Chuck had already reached 'peak grumpy internet guy' 🙂
My favorite episode of SG:1. Not only because it is pretty good in and of itself. But also because it is a microcosmos of the whole show. It has everything, great acting of regulars and guest stars, comedy and drama (and mixing them without becoming cringe), great writing, great character work.
I didn't realize this was the first appearance of Woolsey (and Inauguration is right after). I had remembered him as having a longer arc before he more or less sides with Hammond's SGC faction in Inauguration.
I'm one of those people who includes the Robots, the parallel universes, and other timelines for all of Daniel's deaths, but I don't include his near deaths where he gets saved at the last minute or ascends. I'm also not including the events of Fire and Water. Overall, he dies about seven times. Once in the original movie, once in there but for the grace of god, Likely once in the fan fix episode, his robot counterpart dies in double jeopardy, he dies in ancient Egypt, probably of old age, his parallel timeline self dies after he gets taken by a goa'uld, and he dies at the end of Stargate Continuum so that Mitchell can go back and preserve their timeline from Ba'al taking over the universe.
I'm sort of the opposite, personally. I would count all the times The Jackson We Have Now died, and exclude copies, clones, robots, or any other Some OtherJackson. I would include times where people *thought* he died, behaved as if he died, like "Fire and Water," or ascending. I would not include times where it's just the audience who thinks he died, fake-outs like that - but if the people in the show think he's died, did the mourning song and dance, I would count that.
Otherwise I feel like you'd have to include all those mirror universe Jacksons (the mirror, for example) that we know died but never see. And I feel like excluding times where he didn't technically die but people think he did as ignoring the impact death has on people - half the episode of "Fire and Water" is about how the team reacts to the idea of him dying, and finding out they were lied to and manipulated, after all.
I think they're both alright stances, I just have a differing opinion is all :B
This is one of the most honest and thoughtful things I've found on youtube.
So glad to see you reupload these episodes. Not only am I a huge Stargate fan, but I honestly think you do a fantastic job with these reviews.
Thanks again, Chuck ❤
Dr. Frasier? FRASIER CRANE? "TOSSED SALAD AND SCRAMBLED EGGS!"
I like this episode. Both "heroes" and SFdebris. I had heard this was loosely based on an episode of MASH. I gotta say loosely was a good descriptor, because I saw that MASH episode about a month ago, and it is a very good one. But a journalist covering a military thing making a story that never sees the light of day and someone dying in a combat situation and it having a real emotional impact are where they are similar. I believe the journalist died in the MASH episode and the main doctor ( Hawkeye) having the emotional thing are switched.
They both hit me in my heart. But I also like it when sci-fi takes another story, and throws a twist on it. So many examples.
Some take a story already redone in sci-fi and do it again. Darmok from TNG was Enemy Mine, which was a retelling of...................damn I forgot. A world war story.
This one is good because it doesn't have to be a science fiction story. It could have been a Gulf war story, a 9/11 story, a firefighter story, whatever situation and it works as a story. But the acting, director, crew, even the guy cleaning the costumes really makes it. Saul Rubinek is a Tom Hanks quality actor, Ronny Cox, Rick, Amanda, Don, Michael, Adam Baldwin and the guys who play the escort and Siler are all so good and most of the cast play support to Saul. It's just good.
I think if someone wanted to edit it correctly, it could be made to look like an episode of a show where Saul is a bumbling reporter and it would still be good.
Thanks for the decades of philosophical input and food for thought! ;)
Fajo is back!
I'm hopeful for Chuck to do reviews of Warehouse 13.
@@davido.1233 That would be nice. Though he'd fully be in his rights to do a recurring gag of "Just Tesla the guy!"
Overall good series, but they forget they have stun blasters WAY too often.
Great episode
You do have an agenda.
You wish to spotlight the impeccable acting talents of Saul Rubinek and Ronny Cox. Two of America's most precious "Hey It's That Guy!" Guys.
As for me and my political leanings; I'm still reeling over the fact that one of our two current major party Veep candidates actually owned a Sega Dreamcast... And it wasn't the millennial!
Do you think he was addicted to the fishing or Sanic the Hedge who ran?
All I know is I really want Sonic to deliver a Sega Dreamcast to the White House
I watched this episode when it game out and felt gutted by the outcome. When I got the DVD box set I refused to watch this with the commentary, I skipped over it.
Put me in the camp of ''the Stargate Program stayed secret way too long both in-universe and out.'' In-universe because seemingly hundreds of thousands of people know about this thing by the time of Stargate Universe and out because it began to greatly limit possible stories by sticking to an old formula that was about 15 years old by the end. In fact I kind of wonder if that is one of the reasons why this show died actually, a refusal to take the big chances with a waning concept. Giving us a ''Star Trek Enterprise'' style softcore adult do-over that nobody wanted was the icing on the cake.
Universe was significantly different from the first two shows, I don't think that is an unwillingness to take chances. If anything it was too different from the previous shows and they shouldn't have cancelled Atlantis, but MGM was doing very poorly and wasn't willing to pay for both shows.
I do think that they had written themselves into a corner by the end, but that is because the Tau'ri had gotten too much power creep and there couldn't be any credible adversaries anymore. Once you've defeated literal gods there isn't really anywhere to go, which is why for Universe they had to go with a stranded group concept.
I see where you’re coming from somewhat. I think they should’ve made it public at the very least by the Anubis arc.
@@noblehelium3794 It is ironic that you mention that Earth was overpowered from defeating literal gods as the main villain of SGU seemed to be shaping up to be God Himself. They were leaning hard on the Christian imagery in a way that the show hadn't before. Even Destiny's mission was to go off and find a message sent at the beginning of time. I am both intrigued by this concept and glad that they never managed to finish it because I am getting severe flashbacks to ''Star Trek V The Final Frontier'' with this plotline. There is no way that the network would ever have had the balls to show the actual Christian God so it would have been another ''fake god'' plot and once again confirming my theory that the show was growing very stale on its one idea.
Thanks MEGABEATMAN. Good call.
I don't count the robots or alternate universe Daniels, as they are their own people with their own Death tallies but mortally wounded before being saved by a Sarcophagus... That's one I'm on the fence for. I also don't count MIA assumed KIA. And Ascendancy is another shrug.
The sarcophagus can bring you back _after_ you died. Yes, Daniel died in the movie.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog When I say mortally wounded, I mean the body is failing, but hasn't fully shut down yet.
I like the part where Harriman explains his job.
I'll pretty much watch anything that Saul Rubinek is in.
The ugly issue of the SGC, later Homeworld Command. How and when to go public.
As fascinating as it could be to see that play out, with the Setting having to fully diverge and decouple from our own reality and timeline, I also don't see it being feasible for writers to tackle. In universe at the time of this episode, there was already room for a MASSIVE outcry internationally. And by the end of SGU... Well that Outcry would justifiably be even grander.
I think the plan was always have it be part of a movie. But clearly that never came to pass.
@@grandoldpodcast You think a single movie would cover it, chief?
@@bthsr7113 I think that was the plan. I honestly don't have a overly high option of the stargate producers
@@grandoldpodcast Given they thought time travel movies and a mundane prequel about the Gate's discovery were good ideas, that's fair.
@@bthsr7113 Especially using said prequel as a gauge of public interest. It'd be like putting out boiled cauliflower as a gauge to see if someone is hungry for some apple pie. Ya kinda... missing the point of what people are interested in by doing that, so how helpful is that info gonna be? Not very.
I thought the guy looked familiar.. He was on Frasier.
People that try the “I assumed you knew” tactic for any argument are worthless.
I think what you're trying to say is truth requires context
Not a fan of SG1, but Saul Rubinek makes everything better.
Vaguely remember this episode, with his character getting the runaround with the others, which just seemed petty to me. He's here to do a job, and the other fail to understand that if they actually take the time to say their piece, he'd be gone. Plus, I remember him talking to someone about how he didn't see Carter die, but see her save someone's life.
One part of the job is to limit what you talk about with outsider. It is better to give less. Also, they dealt with a group that threatened family members.
19:50 - HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I HATE STARGATE :DDD
Though I loved Stargate Universe.
Universe was the worst show. By its writing, the characters (esp the breathtakingly idiotic military caboodle), and it's ending.
Well that and Anubis is pooting us on special drugs and feramos that make us happy
19:11 what show is that clip from?
That Mitchell and Webb Look. They also had the conspiracy to fake the moon landing and the conspiracy to arrange Princess Di's murder.
Coincidentally, their radio show (That Michell and Webb Sound) had a running gag about Brown's Orthopedic Supply who somehow had their own Stargate, which the staff were often being chastised over misusing ("Urinating through the Stargate violates Brown's Orthopedic Supply's health and safety, and the aliens on the other side don't like it.")
@@sfdebrisred6555 Thanks
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