I'm a prepper; I'm not prepping because I think I'm going to die... I'm prepping because I know there are tough times ahead and I want to be prepared to mitigate the suffering. I don't want to be without financial means when the economy crashes, I don't want to be dependent on the government or others for my food, etc. Spiritual preparation is absolutely at the top of the list, but if extremely difficult times come and I am not temporarily prepared, then it will be very difficult to be at peace with all the stress that will result. If you are prepared, both temporarily and spiritually, you shall not fear.
It’s silly to think that just because a person is prepping temporally that it means they are neglecting the spiritual preparation, I hear that all the time. But I regret having bought so much food in 2020-2021 from being influenced by preppers, I’m not willing to eat and rotate that food because it has expired and even though it isn’t harmful, the nutrients for sure have gone down and I don’t want that. Now my garage is extremely full and I wish I hadn’t done that. The Church nowadays only encourages very light preparation, they know what they’re saying.
@@greentree_ Who and where does the church ".. only encourages very light preparation?" Please tell me where that is written. What authority figure has ever said that?
@@Sound_The_War-Cry you’d have to search for what is being said today, I don’t have time to do that right now to post here. But it definitely is not like before, I think they talk 3 months now instead of one year’s supply. (I did a few yearSss supply of dried food 🤦♀️) The handbook cautions against becoming extreme.
In 2007, my brother in law, along with my sister, got weirdly enthusiastic about prepping. But then the market where he had a booming business just evaporated. About two years later, I inexplicably, along with my wife, felt an urgency to polish up our preparations. I had a great job and plenty of money. We bought a few extra big items, and went through our year's supply and found 10 year expired cans, and exploded canned goods. We refreshed everything at that time of plenty. Then, later that year, I abruptly lost that job, the best one I ever had. Times got tighter. Though we never had to pull from the resources we had prepared, my wife and I had great peace of mind knowing that we had the preparations as insurance if things got bad. That peace of mind was well worth the few thousand dollars we had spent adding additional items and refreshing the old ones. Spiritual preparation is key. But physical preparation is part of our spiritual preparation.
Some of us are going to be Joseph and some of us are going to be Joseph’s family. Whether we are preppers or not, we are going to need the character of true charity and the love of the Savior to share what we have with others. There are some good people in the California fires who had done what they could to prepare but lost everything in the fires. They need the generosity of others who have something to give in their time of need.
@@cheryldinnell5095The problem is the people who focus on character and preach to others about character, then expect help! Call upon the church in a true emergency like needing to quit a job to care for a child with cancer or if you are a widow, orphan, or disabled. Go watch "Prepare Ye" or "Prepare for Days of Tribulation". Benson talks of people of character expecting the church to help in the early 80s. The church does preach self reliance education, saving and preparing every needful thing!
Whether you believe in Ezra Eagle or not, get prepared (spiritually and temporally). Note: In the Book of Mormon, the Gadianton robbers were defeated partly because the Nephites had food storage. I believe food storage will be a test of character. Are you going to squander it or share it with others. "Think celestial" the law of consecration is part of celestial law. Do you consecrate all you have for Zion, including your food storage?
I like to be prepared or a prepper but not because I'm scared for me but rather for my family. When my son was two and then after when each of my kids were around 1 or 2 they would come up and ask me for a drink of water because they were thirsty, I couldn't bear the thought of me having to tell them I don't have any or I don't have any food. That is why I got into preparing and then to see some of the things prophesied of in scripture and just in the world today I wanted my family to have food and water and shelter. I also it's driving to make the spiritual the number one priority, but I don't think it's hard to spend an additional 20 to $30 every month or every paycheck towards things that could ease their suffering or help others too.
If you make it to the millennium you will NOT die. You live and then are changed never to experience mortal death. I just heard a lot of "everyone is going to die." Not actually true. There is a reason a lot of people are trying diligently to be ready for Christ's return, spiritually and temporarily. The desire to live during the millennium in peace has a strong pull for so many people.
Thank you so much. This is exactly what I thought. I’m living like I’m going to be here when he comes so I want to be ready spiritually and temporarily. I understand we will be changed BUT up until the moment he comes we are going to face hardships both spiritually and temporarily.
It seems that the more prepared a person is, the more extreme they are perceived to be by those who are not prepared. If i have been preparing all my life as the prophets have taught us to be, then someone who hasn't lifted a finger is going to look at me as an extreme prepper. I sat down a month ago and and spoke to a man in my ward. I told him i believed the Second Coming was very close. He refuted that idea because the 10 tribes have not been gathered yet, since they have not come down from the north pole yet as a group. I disagreed with him, but he was stubborn. We discussed some other things, and he was firm in his thought it was out there 100 years or more. I told him, well, your second coming could be next week. So you better prepare. He died two weeks later of a heart attack. I was stunned. We prepare as President Nelson and every prophet before him has taught us. There is no such thing as spiritual preparing without temporal preparing. They are not Separate. That's like saying we don't need the outward ordinances of spiritual preparedness. We do it as a sign of obedience. You are not obedient if you do not temporally prepare. We shouldn't be preparing to be dead. We should prepare to live. I want to live. If i die, then the Lord said it was time. But if i die, because i did not prepare, he will not be happy with my efforts. If i die and leave all my preparations behind, then i have fulfilled my duty to provide for my family. You guys are making it sound like you are foolish if you prepare with all your might mind and strength. Mocking your wife for wanting to be self reliant. She may end up saving your life. She is fulfilling your role to provide for and protect your family. Repent now. Jesus is not the teddy bear Jesus some make him out to be.
Normally I love Bruce’s perspective, but for the life of me I can’t figure out why people feel the need to pit spiritual and physical preparedness against each other, as if they’re somehow mutually exclusive. I don’t know when Jesus is coming, but I do know this. The second largest population center in the U.S. is on fire, the Gulf Coast is covered in snow, we had two terrorist attacks on New Year's Day, we're in proxy wars with Russian and Iran, and China has hacked our critical computer systems (including our power grid). I don’t think that Latter-day Saints being overly physically prepared is the problem. Having lived most of my adult life in California I dealt with fire evacuations, rolling blackouts (which sometimes would last more than a week), riots and skyrocketing crime. After all this, I take prepping pretty seriously. Now I live in Provo, and can tell you that while there may be some outliers, the vast majority of people are woefully underprepared for an emergency. For every one person that's over prepping, there are probably a hundred that would die of dehydration within a few days if water was shut off. I understand that there are some kooks out there, but I think a better message would be that people need to be prayerful about their physical preparedness. We used to promote exactly that kind of approach through the scouting program, with the motto “be prepared”. Now, are we supposed to replace that with “prepare to die”? Sorry, but I have kids, and I’m not on board with that.
Ppl feel the need to put down the other type of preparation is to feel superior about themselves. I see it in sooo many ppl people, even here. YT has made normal people famous. The pridefulness of a lot of the people that are doing these channels is disgusting.
If I am going to the temple, making the covenant of obedience, sacrifice, the laws of the gospel, with a pure and honest heart, I leave the temple follow the spirit and obey what the spirit has prompted me to do... follow the prophet and be prepared, then I must sacrifice, what am I inspired to Sacrifice?. Is it a new car? a trip to Egypt?.. maybe! We are called to give our time, talents and all that God has given us for Zion.. Hopefully I have prepared to help not ONLY myself, but my family, extended family, my neighbors (who have mocked me for prepping as they go on their trips) and the others who will need assistance on their way. Preparing for the Last Days is not selfish, it is an act of obedience and Love. We shall not all die, some will be changed, through Faith, Charity and the Pure Love of Christ.
When President Nelson said very plainly to prepare for the Second Coming and that He would govern from two world capitals, I don’t he was just talking about preparing to die.
President Oaks taught that all virtues can become a vice. A human temptation when someone sees a virtue taken to an extreme is to belittle or turn against the virtue. Being prepared and self reliant is a virtue and just because some people have turned it into a vice doesn’t mean we should belittle or condemn the virtue. And yet that was the tone of this interview. Why do we struggle to hold seemingly conflicting virtues (mercy vs justice; love vs truth: freedom vs order) simultaneously without disparaging one over the other? The irony here is that being spiritually prepared will lead someone to become temporally prepared. These are not mutually exclusive or conflicting virtues.
I think spiritual preparedness and temporal preparedness go hand in hand. The more spiritually prepared we are the more temporally prepared we will be.
I agree. Temporal and spiritual preparedness aren’t mutually exclusive. And prepping on both can be done at the same time. I don’t agree with Brother Porter.
It’s actually quite disgusting to assume that those who prep temporally aren’t prepping spiritually. The two things go hand in hand honestly. Those who follow Ezra’s Eagle (i do not) are preparing spiritually. We been asked to watch and that’s what they are doing. Does it always work out the way we think?? No but we all continue.
Thank you for that, I was getting a bit up set at hearing what I took to be "Ignore preparedness" which was put in place by the Prophets who in turn got it from our Lord. But I'm not the most erudite person out there, so maybe I'm just to simple...
@@Elliebee61 I freely admit I got a bit hot, but if the Prophets said prepare temporally and spiritually, I'm working on both, and I'm only expending my own labor. I wasn't trying to sound spicy, hope it didn't seem that way.
Thanks, that's a good message. I believe in preparing. We've been taught to do it, and we have gotten better at it over time. My extended family has been doing it for almost 100 years as far as I know. But we're not "preppers." We garden and can and dehydrate and freeze dry. We save seeds. We store some water. We have some chickens. My goal, at this point is to try to remove as much of the processed foods as we can because I have an autoimmune disease. So doing all these things is really hard. But I just want to feel better, and it seems like everything I purchase at the store is just a setback to feeling better. But there's no possible way I can produce enough to feed my family each year. We still rely heavily on the store, even with my attempts. To produce that, I'd need a lot of land, which I can't afford. And it would take more energy than I have, anyway. So I pray for relief, which I don't get. But I'm know I am blessed, regardless. We trust in God, not anything else. I am constantly relaying that message to my kids. I hope we all "get it."
Our prophet has counseled us to prepare like Moroni prepared his people. “First, he helped them create areas where they would be safe- “places of security” he called them. Second, he prepared “the minds of the people to be faithful unto the Lord.” And third, he never stopped preparing his people- PHYSICALLY or SPIRITUALLY.” How more clear do you have to be. Do you have the character to follow obey this counsel? Of course, we need to do it in wisdom and order. Some are out of balance. But the reality is the majority of members are grossly unprepared. We need to get more people to prepare, or when the inevitable comes and you are wanting with food then you can proclaim “we all die anyway” for relief.
While I acknowledge that a small percentage of people go overboard with prepping and some prioritize prepping physically over spiritually, I don't understand the shift in the church toward constantly counseling against extreme prepping. I think 90% of the church could use more prepping mindset while only 1% could use less. Yet, it's been years or maybe even decades since we were counseled about food storage. In late 2019, I finished up a two-year goal to have a better food storage. I can't tell you how much comfort it was to our family to know that we could easily survive for about a year if things really hit the fan. The cost and work it took to make those preparations paid off for the peace of mind we had during those 2-3 years of insanity that followed. Something missing from this discussion is the delineation between those who have children at home and those who do not. I share Bruce's attitude of, "We're all going to die." when it comes to my wife and I. We've had our go at things and I'm not too concerned about us. But I can't imagine that having that outlook is okay in the eyes of God when you're still responsible for children, you have the means to prepare, and you simply choose not to because "it's really the spiritual preparation that matters". Take a deep look into the true horrors of starvation and you will be stunned by how viscous and degrading a demise it is. I realize that despite all my preparations, that could still happen. But at least I'd be able to say that I took reasonable measures to avoid it. And while listening to this discussion, I kept asking myself, "Then why did the church ever preach food storage at all if it's so unnecessary?"
Multiple times, Bruce dismisses temporal preparation. He makes the point that it's futile. He doesn't simply make the point that spiritual preparation is a higher priority, or should be done first, or can't be neglected. He is overtly dismissive of temporal preparation. If it is the case as he suggests, that the only preparation we ought to be focused on is spiritual preparation and character improvement, for the idea that we may die at any point in time, then why would the Savior have commanded us to watch and pray for the day of his coming? Wouldn't the Savior simply have said 'be ready at all times for tomorrow ye may die'? It is clear to me the Savior wants us watching for, and preparing for, His return. I find it interesting that you two speak so much about spiritual preparation /and dismissed temporalnorep as if just a hobby and fun part), but completely neglected emotional preparation. Something president Nelson has called out, even though he has not expounded on it like he has focused on spiritual preparation. I find it amazing how emotionally unprepared Latter-Day Saints are for the second coming, despite our Prophet making it very clear that we need to prepare. The omission of President Nelson's admonitions as of late to prepare is painfully absent from this discussion.
Interesting that Bruce Porter advocates against temporal preparation. It may be far less vital than spiritual preparation for exaltation, but as President Nelson has reiterated, temporal preparation is still very important - just as the Ark was for Noah’s temporal survival. Don’t “let go” of either spiritual or temporal preparation.
10:22 "The only way to prepare for the last days is to prepare to die." Perhaps he is not overtly advocating against temporal preparation, but he makes it very clear it's pointless in his opinion. Which is directly contrary to prophetic counsel. I far prefer president Benson on this topic. Bruce runs contrary to prophphetoc council in his poo-pooing preparation. He absolutely was NOT doing as you say, to advocate that the most important aspect is spiritual prep. He dismissed physical prep as futile. And yet, president Nelson has recently reiterated that physical prep for second coming is important (along with emotional and spiritual prep).
@@charinabottae It wasn't pointless for Noah and his family, it wasn't pointless for Joseph in Egypt to store 7 years of food which saved his family and countless others from famine...We have been similarly warned to prepare.
This video was nothing like what I expected. From where I am sitting the members are NOT prepping food and supplies like they should. They are completely naive about the situations they will have to go through. I am in a few LDS prepping groups and I am stunned at how unprepared and gullible these people are. People are going to have to get mentally tough.
I agree this video wasn't what I expected. I prepare food and financial stores so that if I am called to help others, I will be able to. My food storage is so that I am a blessing in my community, not so I can survive nuclear fall out.
less than 3% members in the church in the states are physically prepared. Some in my ward laughed that they would just live off those of us that do prepare.
@anitalifeofwellness they will be severely disappointed if they think I'm going to deprive my family to feed them. My family is my responsibility, they are not. I will protect my family and my preps from everyone, including members.
I think the reason we prepare temporally matters. Are we prepping to save ourselves or to (also) give to those in need? Same with spiritually prepping. To save ourselves or also strengthen those that remain? The Lord knows our heart and will guide us in our preparations as we try to discern His will.
I have been following the preparedness guidelines since I married in 1971. I've learned, since then to try and have more than I need to be able to share. I've always kept a temple recommend and learned that if it comes down to our faith to exercise to increase, what we have saved, it will grow by faith, like the bread and fish, Jesus increased. And I do believe, if we have had everything taken away from us, God will provide manna for us like He did the Children of Israel. FAITH IN GREATER AMOUNTS, IS NEEDED, AS WELL.
Being prepared for temporal and spiritually has been the church's message since the days of Joseph Smith. I try to be as prepared both ways as is possible because this is the message I have heard my entire life from all of our Prophets. We are not the Church of eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die! We are the Church of survival.
Yes. Spiritual preparedness is the biggest priority, but temporal preparedness has a spiritual element as we obey the council of our leaders, and as we are willing to consecrate all we have as we are prepared to help our family, and others (not hunker down with our guns).
Always good to hear from Bruce and Greg. This is always a fun topic and I agree, that some people take this why to far into left field spirituality and temporally. I used to stress out about the end of days coming before I was “fully” prepared. I think it’s important to remember the parable of the ten virgins at its very basic meaning. We must get to know God and our savior so that we will know him when he comes. We should be prepared and willing to serve and worship him with all your heart. When it comes to everything else just do the best you can and things will be okay. It cracks me up when people try and predict the end and speculate because certain people are in position of power now, and that means the end is nearing. I think the end will come a lot quicker when the majority of the people have forgotten the Lord their God and the followers of Christ become anti-Christ. This was a fun discussion thank you Bruce for sharing your perspective again. Thanks Greg
When I saw the subject and that Bruce was on the show I knew what to expect. I have seen him discuss this subject on another RUclips channel and it was more of the same. Bruce is very knowledgeable about some subjects. It sometimes happens that when someone has some expertise and gets a little bit of a following, they think that they should impart their wisdom on all subjects. We should be careful to not conflate expertise in some areas to expertise in all areas. There is a scripture that comes to mind- When they are learned, they think they are wise....
Soooo, the take from this video is....just make sure you are spiritually prepared (i.e., temple recommend, good character, etc.) but don't worry about temporal prepardness because we will all die eventually anyway??? So let's just travel everywhere, go to Disneyland, go on cruises, play, eat out at restaurants constantly, etc. because we might miss out on those things because we're sacrificing to become temporally prepared??? No, I would rather have made sacrifices to get food storage, etc. and never need it, than to need it and not have it. I believe this "live for the moment" mentality will cause those who follow it much physical suffering in the future. I believe and follow what the prophets have said regarding being temporally prepared, not just being spiritually prepared. I guess we will see if that temple recommend will put food on the table, give you light at night, keep you warm, etc. when there is famine, hunger and starvation, disease, sickness, pestilence, natural disasters, etc. that is sure to come based on the scriptures and prophecy.
@@CwicShow If you listen to what he said it is that don’t worry about temporal preparedness. Temporal preparedness is an important part of spiritual preparedness. Temporal preparedness includes much beyond food storage, it getting out of debt. It’s learning how to be independent. It’s learning how to grow things and many other important things
Fallowing all the lords counsel is important. He has counseled us on the importance of food storage. This message seems to sideline that counsel. Being physically prepared is a spiritual matter.
I see prepping as an extension of the description of God's will in 2 Nephi 2:21 "And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh..." Propping will help prolong the days of us and our neighbors, in times of great hardship so we can turn to God.
My dad always says, that the very worst thing he would have to see is his kids and grandkids starving to death. He has always encouraged us kids to be prepared for the lean times because we just don’t ever know when someone will loose their job, or get in an accident, or a number of things that could happen. It is good to be prepared.
I would love to know what the dividing line that Bruce Porter has between being spiritually prepared and not being spiritually prepared. Since he knows that we ought to be spending our time becoming spiritually prepared, and not focus on being temporally prepared, he must know the demarcation line that we must achieve in order to meet the Saviour. At what point are we spiritually prepared so that we can become temporally prepared. If we ignore the signs of His coming, are we not failing in spiritual preparation? We have been constantly advised to become temporally prepared for any potential event, including the coming of Christ since the days of Joseph Smith. Pres. Hinckley, I believe, noted that they are not emphasizing it as much today because they have warned us for so long and we have ignored the warnings. Being spiritually prepared has always been the message as well. The warnings of the 2nd Coming are a little more intense today than in the past. Pres. Nelson’s “in the coming day” is a little more urgent than “when He comes.” However, like the Parable of the 10 Virgins explains, we need to be prepared both temporally and spiritually.
The tone of this video is your waiting your time prepping, if you had the money to put into can’s why not. Look at what the church is doing for the SLC temple, spending billions on what might happen. I understand spending with in our means. Spiritual preparation and have His Spirit to be with us is top priority, then making it to when Christ returns. So sad to say prepare to die, I am preparing to live. If I am prepared in very way then I have a chance to live. If I am alive when Christ returns and I am worthy then I live. That is the point, this generation will live when he returns. Prepare in every way. Do it with in your means. Christ is the way, the only way. I want to Be in the way🙏💕💕
I'm curious why the church has always advised for a year supply if it isn't important? I look at food storage as a hedge against hard times for me and my family. If calamities happen and we don't survive, maybe my preparations will be a blessing to someone who does survive and needs it.
@@CwicShow undeniably, it was the tone of the video. It felt that way to me and I see most commentors agree. Regardless, I love your videos and I love it whenever you have Bruce Porter on.
@@davidjohnson7484 I think there is a bias in the comments here of those that are “hardcore” that hear what they want to hear (that anything less than the level they’re doing is not right). I think the recent beguiling of Ezra’s Eagle caters to that thinking. I believe that if you’re doing the prerequisite spiritual work, you’re going to be balanced in your approach to temporal work because you will hear and obey the Spirit.
@@SkinnaMov I agree with everything you said. But I think you ignored an entire group of people in order to gloss over what has been a clear decline in the emphasis on physical preparedness. I might even go so far as to say there's been a reversal. The group I'm talking about are those who remember the days when the year supply of food was preached, still think it's a good idea, try to adhere to that, and get lumped in with the crazies. I consider myself part of this group. Furthermore, I see as much effort being spent on admonishing against extremism as I see being spent on preaching preparedness despite the fact that relatively very few are extreme, while the vast majority are woefully underprepared. The crazies are triggered, fine. But it's a lot more difficult to reconcile the fact that the vibe changes if you mention food storage and preparedness in church, while you're sitting around dozens of families with little children who don't give a single thought about preparedness and couldn't care less. The vibe is fine for them. That's a problem.
I love Greg, Bruce, and Michael Rush. For balance, I would have liked to hear them discuss what percentage of the church actually has a year supply. It’s shockingly low.
"The title End of Days Prepping and Discerning the Voices of the End of Days" is kind of interesting because if I'm discerning what Bruce Porter is teaching that the only way to prepare for the last days is basically to 'Prepare to Die.' This is not what is taught in the scriptures nor by prophets. We are told to 'Prepare Every Needful' thing according to the D&C. I believe we also teach preparation wrong in the church saying that spiritual preparedness is more important than the physical because the D&C states that all things unto the Lord are spiritual and not at any time has the Lord given a commandment which is temporal meaning that the commandment to store food is part of spiritual preparation. If one is truly spiritually prepared they will also be physically prepared. The Lord didn't spare Noah and his family based on Spiritual preparation alone or what great character Noah had developed but instead Noah had to put in the physical effort to build the ark that spared his family.
@@CwicShowit is not being taken out of context. That is what Bruce said. Bruce is right that spiritual preparation is important, but dead wrong (no pun intended) that spiritual preparation is the only thing that is important. You should take this video down. It makes you look so judgmental and soils your reputation.
I told my Bishop my food storage is his anytime he needs it for the ward. I taught my kids not only to share their faith and belief in Christ with others that also anything that they have temporarily as is needed. I think we need to give of ourselves an all ways. My heart and mind are mainly focused on spiritual preparedness but I want to be prepared in both ways as have been taught by our Prophets.
I'm just curious, do you still have young children at home? Because if you don't, I understand your attitude completely. I still have 3 children at home. Until that changes, they are my responsibility. They still need my wife and I and they need to not starve. I'm not sharing what I've saved with people who didn't bother to prepare. Once my kids are responsible for themselves, my food storage is at the bishop's command so long as it goes to people with young children. Adults can fend for themselves, including my wife and I.
Minute 21:31 of this video “even within the scriptures it’s tell us that this is the gospel of repentance not the gospel of our supply, not the gospel of prepping but THE ONLY PREPPING THAT THE SCRIPTURES TALK ABOUT IS THAT SPIRITUAL PREPPING that needs to take place. We need to be ready to die.” That is not true. The scriptures talk about prepping “temporally” such as Joseph of Egypt, Wise and Foolish Virgins, 1 Timothy 5:8, D&C 109:8. No one says that spiritual preparedness is not important. Still, the message this video conveys is that you need to prepare to die. That’s nonsense, let’s prepare to live and die. D&C 29:34 Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given unto you a law which was temporal
Interesting pod cast but some what slanted to extremes. What percentage of the church has a year supply of food , fuel, money etc. Elder Bednar in his address “Prepare to Obtain Every Needful Thing “ and President Benson’s statement “a year supply of food is as important to our temporal salvation as boarding the ark was to the people of Noah.” Many members of the Lord’s church feel they are following the living prophets when they prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Part of the character building you spoke of is following the prophets, past and present. I have been “preparing or prepping “ since I joined the church. After 45 years I’m still prepping which means physical health and strength, financial preparation, and more than anything spiritual preparation. Your show sounded like physical preparation was extreme, you didn’t talk about the other end of the spectrum, no preparation and expectations that the church will bail you out. If our food storage and preparations help family, friends and neighbours then I think you would be considered a wise servant prepared not just to share the gospel but to share temporally. Love Bruce but I think he should be teaching the importance of following the council to be prepared in all ways, not slagging the extreme examples. Love your show but this one I could have missed. Also get your physical things in order before taking any cruises.
Bruce how can you be spiritually prepared if you don't have some temporal preparedness. My understanding is that spiritual growth has a great reliance on physical needs being meet.
As these RUclips channels expand and various guests make the circuit with philosophies of man mingled with scripture, do you and others pay the guests? I’m a prepper (hopefully with character) because I’m preparing to help others live not just to die.
Understand your concern, love your show, and good points. It's an interesting discussion, but why are you concerned about this? It doesn't seem like this should be your concern to have. I followed both sides of Ezra's Eagle and didn't feel like those that believed Ezra's Eagle were doing anything wrong or extreme. People considering EE were simply trying to not ignore signs of the times. Frankly, something seemed off by those who wanted to prove EE believers wrong. It resembled persecution. I know this is an extreme example, but think of those in the Book of Mormon who were about to be put to death because non-believers decided that the time of the prophecy was past due. The least we can do is not be of that mindset. In other words, just as we don't know when the second coming WILL happen, we also don't know when it WON'T happen. We need to admit that most people fall in one of the two camps - either thinking they can identify/estimate end time events, or thinking that they can identify/estimate what is not an end time event. While both camps have inherent risks, I see more risk in the latter camp. We are supposed to be watching for the signs, and their descriptions are ambiguous, so we have to do our best. It is dismissive to argue "so if it's true, what are you going to do about it?...I'm not going to change the last days". We all agree we are supposed to be engaged in watching and preparing; but by that same logic, we also have to attempt (and struggle) to interpret the signs of the times (hopefully we're doing that through prayer, study, and listening to the brethren). Didn't mean to leave this long of a comment, but we should all try to be aware of the fallacies in our own arguments and sub-conscious agendas.
Bruce's perspective on the second coming keeps me grounded: 1. It's gonna happen. 2. It hasn't happened yet. 3. We are closer to it today than we were yesterday.
@@safrew1 Hmm. I've always thought of the Eagle heads as the secret combinations that are really running things. I see them as about to take over and exercise tyranny overtly. The secret combinations behind the political left have spent 50-100 years taking over all of the institutions of power: education, news media, government bureaucracies, etc. They have succeeded in brainwashing most of the public, through those institutions, into believing a narrative that enriches the secret combinations at the expense of the American taxpayers (and the American people's future indebtedness, which currently stands at more than $100,000 of debt per man, woman, and child in the U.S.). But the past three elections, including 2020, if you throw out the "mysterious" 10-15M extra Biden votes that entered the electorate for that election and then disappeared for this one), enough people have seen through the absurdity of the brainwashing. Even all of the institutions telling us that a man can decide he's a woman (without any of them being able to define a woman), and that 6-year-olds can decide they are the opposite gender and we should immediately and permanently mutilate them into looking like it, that a human fetus is "just a clump of cells," and all of the other woke nonsense, is not enough. People just no longer believe it. Even with all of their power, they have reached the pinnacle of mind control over the electorate in the last decade or so. Now all of their power is not enough to keep their house of cards of public opinion from collapsing in on itself. I just don't see the secret combinations giving up on 100 years of effort, and being willing to let Trump dismantle their institutions. They won't want to start over from scratch to spend another 50-100 years to get back to this level of institutional control. Instead, I think we are currently at the time of Esra's Eagle verse 28, where the last two short feathers attempt to set up to rule together (Trump/Vance?), but the middle head, the greatest one (the WEF or some less visible secret organization?), which was at rest, awakens and aligns the other two eagle heads with it (the Democrat and Republican parties, maybe, or some less visible secret organizations that exert their power?). Just this week, Claus Schwab of the WEF was making the point that they may have to intervene to undo votes, and bragged that they have already done so in places like Romania, and the EU. (To which, I would add Brazil.) Are we near the point where the eagle heads just say, "If we can no longer control public opinion, we can't trust the people with democracy anymore, and before we lose all of this power, that took 100 years to accumulate, we need to just declare democracy (what they like to call representative governments) a failure, and just blatantly take over--for the good of the whole world, of course." If that's where we are in Ezra's prophecy, then it starts to sound a lot like the beast of the Revelation of John--where none can buy nor sell without the mark of the beast.
Respectfully, i think maybe Bruce has gotten it a little off. I think theres a proving contrary there, where spiritual and physical preparation is important. Of course the spiritual is the most important, but if we neglect physical preparation then we really werent fully listening to the Lord. He has said it over and over again, it is important to him for us to prepare temporally. One recent example would be Elder Bednars 2020 talk... "Some Church members opine that emergency plans and supplies, food storage, and 72-hour kits must not be important anymore because the Brethren have not spoken recently and extensively about these and related topics in general conference. But repeated admonitions to prepare have been proclaimed by leaders of the Church for decades. The consistency of prophetic counsel over time creates a powerful concert of clarity and a warning volume far louder than solo performances can ever produce." Seems like they still find it important to me.
I’m saddened you have jumped on the bandwagon of knocking other people’s inspiration, who are we to call out others on their inspiration ? We are all called to the work if we choose to accept it. If you are spiritually prepared.. you are physically prepared. Do we mock Porter for saying we are in the 6th dispensation? No.. we let him have his opinion. I thank God for men like Michael Rush who prayed, studied and put himself out there, who himself said, if it doesn’t happen this way, it is translated incorrectly, or I have. Rush has always said to pray and study for yourself, have the spirit. Because of him many have studied the scriptures more diligently. It would have been wiser to have a discussion with Rush.. All is not well in Zion.. Trump is Jehu.. Don’t be deceived.. 2025 is just beginning! We need to support each other, not call out another.. who knows this might be the catalyst to learning and further inspiration, who are you to judge him? Bad Form brothers .. Bad Form
Right. I believed in Michael’s interpretation because it fits with many other things. The eagle hiccup doesn’t mean we are not close. I don’t see the Gadiantons giving up the fight and letting Trump dismantle their organization.
Amen to everything you said!!! I’m so weary of these podcasters finding fault, demeaning the character and integrity of other fellow saints who are just striving to add light to our preparing for the 2nd coming of Christ. To me, this was a disappointing video. I usually always love Greg’s video’s but this one was very different. Spiritual and temporal preparedness go hand in hand. To be spiritually prepared, one must also be temporally prepared.
It's BOTH. Remember the parable of the talents... not a very effective servant / steward if your DEAD, of stavation. At the same time you can't be His servant if you do not have His characteristics. It's both. I worry when voices prioritize one over the other...
Spiritual preparedness is totally the number one thing we should be doing, but temporal preparedness is very important too. I have felt spiritual promptings to get a years supply. I came to realize it is not just for me and my family. It will be for my neighbors and friends as well. Before the year 2000, conference talks were given about food storage regularly. That changed in the early 2000’s. I feel strongly that I need to do both. And that both are spiritual for me.
What about Sherem in the Book of Mormon with Jacob and what he taught the people before he died and the power of God they felt afterwards when praying to God? Sounds like character was changed in Sherem.
I really do love Bruce Porter and his testimony, but a question that comes to mind having listened to his opinion of this topic: "Who exactly made him the expert on this subject and why does his opinion matter?" I personally believe that most don't prepare enough, spiritually OR temporally, knowing the scriptures and knowing what's coming.
Thank you great points to think about, it brought to mind a teaching of President Oaks in his talk The Atonement and Faith April 2010 “To be admitted into His presence, we must be more than clean. We must be changed from a morally weak person who has sinned into a strong person with the spiritual stature to dwell in the presence of God”. For me your message was that is our most valuable preparation.
Well, this podcast cast was a REAL Debbie Downer. I think what you're trying to get to is " moderation in all things." President Nelson said to, "Never stop preparing. " That would go for spiritually as well as physically. President Benson said, " Our food storage would be as important to us as entering the ark was to Noah. " You missed the mark on this podcast.
I really like this Chanel but this video was soooo annoying. The only members of the church who like to debate that spiritual preparedness is more important than temporal preparedness. Are those members who are not prepared. I’ve never met anyone who is temporarily prepared, but not spiritually prepared. What people tend to forget is that the Lord has told us that when we follow a temporal law or council, It is spiritual unto the Lord. The Lord declared “that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given you a law which was temporal” (D&C 29:34). If you were spiritually prepared, and you have made no Preparations to become temporarily prepared, I believe you will regret it.
Amen, character, repentance, conversion are the only true preparation to meet Christ again. But all of the calamities don't happen at once right before the final second coming and they don't all result in death. The calamities have been happening for our whole lives and long before, and temporal preparation can help us fulfill our duty to protect and provide for our families during those times. Some people who survived Helene a few months ago had to do so by escaping out their backdoors just before their homes got swept away, and camping out on the hillside for several days while they waited for help. I would hate to be stuck in that situation without any preparation because I decided to let the pendulum swing over to spiritual-only. It doesn't have to be either or. One thing I like about temporal preparation is that it can be a training course for spiritual preparation. The Brother of Jared parted the veil as he consulted with the Lord about his temporal preparations.
Prepping is just self reliance. We've been told for decades to be prepared, from a spiritual and a temporal perspective. All modern prophets have talked about being ready for Christ's coming. They all talk about it because none of them know when it's going to happen. Matt 24:35-37
Not enough humility my friends as there were too many “shoulds” preached and too much generalization of persons. It is a mistake to bucket anyone who takes preparation seriously as out of step with prophetic teaching. Then at the end, I suggest that Bruce wrongly criticizes those who come up with "theories." Clearly he doesn't understand the source of Ezra Eagle very well because he (Michael) is humble and offers he thoughts as an idea, not as someone to be followed. The scriptures are clear that to “theorize” is encouraged so to be instructed and perfected in understanding (D&C 88:78, 97:14). Pondering, wondering and asking the Lord is a good thing. And of course, to always bring those theories/ideas back to the standard (HG, canon/scriptures, prophetic teachings).
When I was 12 years old (in 1987) my parents befriended a well meaning gal from our ward that seemed to be an expert on the apocalypse. She introduced our family to many books and videos about the last days. It made me feel important to be one of the few folks that knew how the end times would play out. One of the videos she showed us (I don’t remember the person who made the video) claimed that the Millennium would start on April 6, 1993. When the prophesied day arrived and nothing seemed different, I felt confused and disappointed. Since then I’ve grown more skeptical about obscure prophecies or people claiming to have special knowledge of Christ’s 2nd coming. I don’t want to get hurt again. I still believe that Jesus will come again. I believe it’s wise to be spiritually and temporally prepared. I’m looking forward to the temple in Jerusalem being rebuilt. I choose to trust the brethren in Salt Lake City🙂
If someone was claiming Trump would be assassinated before he put his hand on the Bible…it was probably a good thing he didn’t put his hand on the Bible. lol
😂 my thought exactly! Tho, I wish he had... It was obv in watching the whole process that the bibles weren't even there yet, when the swearing in began. Easily over-looked by Trump. Still...I wish he had...
@ it wasn’t a trump problem, it’s a John Roberts problem. He’s screwed up multiple inaugurations now. He screwed up Obama’s so bad they had to redo it inside later.
That’s a misrepresentation of the common interpretation of the prophecy. All it said is that Biden’s term would have been shorter than Trump’s and that Trump wouldn’t be allowed to rule.
"It doesn't matter if we are here when He comes???" 10:43 Sheesh. If I'm here when he comes, it will be, what, the third most significant event in the history of the world? (Maybe only after the original Good Friday and Easter Sunday? Seems like it matters a lot--even though we all will get to meet him again--whether in this life or the next.
The spiritual and temporal are inseparably connected. We are supposed to watch and prepare for the great day of the Lord. How much of the scriptures focus on the coming forth of the kingdom of God? We should be actively engaged watching, learning and preparing ourselves to be part of his kingdom. That means we should prepare ourselves now to live in Zion with the Lord reigning as our King. We should also prepare as Noah, or Joseph did against the tribulation that will precede it. The best preparation is to have a relationship with the lord and take the holy ghost to be your guide, that will be the most critical, but a righteous steward would prepare in every way they can. I wouldn't limit myself to just one year of food either. Review any trial in history, and you should realize that you should have multiple years of food and additional supplies. Wisdom would suggest not to bury your talents under a rock for a future day, but live for the lord now and tomorrow.
I don't see any correlation between a person putting away $10K every now and then and storing Book of Mormons. I know, I get what he was saying, but I'm a prepper and while I like the daily comforts, I don't see anything wrong with being prepared to live without our Babylonian world if necessary. Of course I thing spiritual preps are first and foremost, but don't belittle what we were told by the church for decades to do to prepare to be self sufficient. That admonition, as spoken by Elder Bednar in recent times, has NOT been rescinded. With our new president I may not feel as much urgency to prepare, but I will continue to prepare teporally as well as spiritually because I think it is wise to obey that admonishment. For me this isn't about fear of death, it is about obedience. And I'm better sprepared spiritually than I have ever been and will continue that progression.
Great messages! I used to live with someone who was an extreme preparedness person. It never felt right because the spiritual aspect took a back seat. This video reminded me of Romans 8:6 -- "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." This isn't to say that being prepared is carnal, but in some cases it could be.
Yes……spiritual is more important *however*- Jesus always fed and healed people before He taught them. This is because it’s very hard to learn and incorporate spiritual things when your basic physical needs are not met. Think Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. The Lord is clear in the D&C that at no time has He given a physical commandment, only spiritual- to include things like “move to the Ohio” and “build a temple” which required very physical actions. Therefore- the command to prepare every needful thing is also a spiritual command. Remember, the first law of heaven is Obedience and if we are not obeying the commandments to do physical things then that is a reflection of a spiritual problem.
I am a prepper I feel it’s important that regardless of what happens if it’s two years to 10 years from now, I want to be prepared you never know what’s gonna happen and you never know what the weather’s gonna be. It is a good thing to be prepared With food fuel . I think also that we shouldn’t talk another person down because of what they feel they believe and what they read in the Scriptures. No one knows everything, but I would prefer to be prepared in every way that I can be
The point of the discussion was to warn against putting temporal preparedness over spiritual preparedness. It is a real thing that people struggle with, including myself. I do think there is a bigger problem with insufficient preparation in the church compared to extreme preparation by church members. I have wondered why the brethren haven't emphasized preparedness as much in recent year. Elder Bednar tried to emphasize that all past messages given from the pulpit still apply, but I think we could all use a President Benson type reminder.
I don’t look at this as a black or white issue. The scriptures and modern day Prophets have taught us to be spiritually and temporally prepared. The scriptures are replete with examples of both: Joseph in Egypt (the famine), Nephi and Jaredites preparing specific temporal needs for their long journeys ahead, even the 10 virgins who Bruce mentioned, who were spiritually prepared (virtue) however, half of them were not temporally prepared with oil (which can also be a spiritually analogy). Christ knew that disciples learn better character with a little food (fish and loaves) in their belly. He taught fasting but so many times even after resurrected He taught through breaking bread with disciples. True we need to build character in this life and prepare to meet Him. I don’t think our character is even close to God’s when we die. I think we as a people put too many temporal and spiritual timelines on things we don’t understand. All I am saying is Christ taught the importance of both about being prepared spiritually and temporally.
Jesus taught that we feed the sick and hungry, that is real character, that was the parable of the ten virgins. Real character is developed through helping others.
Ugh. What a swing and a miss from Bruce, whom I usually love. I want to know: Are there more people who are extreme preppers that get obsessed with end times and wander down strange paths to apostasy, or more people who have no food storage, and no incentive to get any because they’re surrounded by other boomers who basically tell everyone to calm down because all is well in Zion if you just make sure you’re “spiritually prepared.” What would have actually been inspiring and educative would have been a discussion about how many people BECOME spiritually prepared because they learned about end time prophecy, followed counsel to get food storage, and saw the miracles that follow acting in faith. THAT is where I’ve seen miracles in people’s lives.
One can’t truly say they are spiritually prepared without having temporal self reliance. We are all called to follow the spirit, often times these are interconnected. To ignore prophetic warnings, to not create a place of refuge both spiritually and temporally is not wise. Some of us are called to stretch and grow through preparation! It’s a process, what I’ve found is the overcorrection of people after the “extreme prepping” memo, so very few are prepared temporally for what the scriptures say is coming. They expect the church to be their welfare when they can’t see the church in the future being broke up by Gadiantons. We are supposed to protect the church and erect the watch tower yet we don’t. Preparedness I’ve found is ultimately what Noah learned… the power of revelation is given to those who prepare. The Lord is coming and if we understand the calamities that have been prophesied we can be prepared.
Mmmm disappointing. Porter prob will regret how this all ages w interview on Gospel Lessons channel too. So much anxiety in that whole discussion. This was a bit of a straw man discussion here too. Maybe counterbalance w your alls take in how close we are to 70th week. It is a thing
Thank you for the topic and discussion. I think all my prepper instincts are for righteous reasons, and my sharing my thoughts with friends and family is for righteous purposes and to help them be prepared. However, I have thought at times I am overstepping my bounds and that I need to let others feel the spirit and act on their promptings. Unfortunately, my communication causes fear, although I am not fearful but want to be diligent.
I was young when president Kimball said prepare your home with food for hard times. Because if your home is prepared you don’t have to worry. I agree that staying as close to the lord is just as important. Then you don’t have to worry about.
Thanks.What does this mean that bruce does not have food stor any other physical preparations? We have been admonished to do so from the pulpit for generations. Bruce needs to admit that. He makes it sound like it is unnecessary.
I dropped after 11 mins - end times prophecy is given to us so we would read and ponder. Jesus commanded us to read Isaiah, for instance. Jesus tells about end times so we’ll know. Should we not try to understand it? Tenor of the 11 mins l I saw was dismissive.
We are told our spiritual and physical selves are equal in importance. It would be hard, if not impossible, to take care of our fellowmen spiritually if they're suffering from hunger or cold. We need to be obedient to all the things we are asked to do--a balance between physical and spiritual. You're right, though, in that spiritual is often neglected in comparison to the physical.
In reference to cooking and eating and time spent. I think it is important to do all those things with a good spirit. Consciously doing these things with love and patience and with an eye of continually of improving in all ways is a huge part of of spiritual growth. We can spend our whole day living and doing normal things with an eye On seeing and doing things as the Savior would that is also important time spent in spiritual growth
I just LOVE you guys!♥️ Once again you have validated impressions I’ve received about some of these people. I’ve stopped watching them because of all you have mentioned. Thank you for being a blessing in my life…. And the life of so many others.
I feel that being prepared is important. I also believe that if you believe in the words of our Fathers. That He will protect, feed,and clothe us as the lillys of the field or the sparrows. Yes prepare, be ready, but also have Faith, not fear.
The church may not be organized to bring about political and social change, but it can only function in societies where freedom of conscience and worship exist, so the two are very much connected.
Character is key! Great points! And that's why so many that do give to those in need and participate in miracles will not be prepared, because they never got to know our Heavenly Father!
When Pres. Nelson counseled us to repent daily, I felt like it was the Lord's way of saying that we should be ready to go (die) at any time. At the time, it seemed like such morbid thought that I hesitated telling my children bout it (they are grown). But I have shared it with the ones that I think will accept it. Hopefully.❤
31:19 what have you deprived your kids and family of!?! Being temporally prepared and self-reliance is a good life skill to teach. Wow. Ya’ll like to bash the preppers and those that see calamity around the corner and are ready to help their neighbors. Also, the excitement for things turning bad is not about being right, it’s about getting closer to the Millennium and the good stuff. We know we are going to have to go through some difficult times. This Porter guy seems like a real Aesopian Grasshopper. Mocking the hard work and effort of others while playing his fiddle.
It's good to be prepared, but some people get ridiculous about it. I've heard of people taking out loans to buy food storage because they're convinced things will collapse within a few months. Then when things DON'T collapse when they expected, they're stuck with a big debt and a mountain of food that will probably go bad before they can use it. That's the kind of thing he's talking about here.
I feel he’s way off on some things and too convinced of his own interpretations while being judgemental of those who don’t agree with him. I wouldn’t enjoy a trip with him.
@ I will get my knowledge from other sources that I trust and from whom I feel the Holy Ghost affirming truth. Maybe as his friend, why don’t you encourage him to read these comments. He’s gone off on the wrong track. Not just this video but others, too.
PS. I’m not an avid “prepper” ( I have enough of the essentials), not a fan of Ezra’s Eagle theories, don’t adhere to any extreme group ideas, never read Visions of Glory or anything like it. This isn’t coming from a place of being defensive of those kinds of beliefs. I just feel he’s insensitive and close minded about what others may be experiencing and feeling. And how they choose to prepare.
I don't feel like I got a single scrap of useful info from Bruce Porter during this particular conversation. However, I know the guy reasonably well. He's an awesome dude and a blast to be around. He has a wealth of knowledge that most can enjoy immensely. He will be the very first to tell you (and he literally does tell people) that you don't need to believe or agree with anything he says. I've never seen him react in a judgmental way toward someone who doesn't agree with him. Not even a tiny bit.
Bruce is hard to understand. If I give to charity it’s a tax break. However, if I think of charity it’s a character trait. I get the sense that arrogance plays a big role in the way he gives advice. I love that you are doing tours of Egypt. There is so much there that very few know anything about. Do any of you read hieroglyphics like Nibley did? Is anyone able to read the Pyramid texts and take it down 5 levels like Joseph Smith did with his alphabet in interpretation of thought? Has anyone written a program to teach hieroglyphics that is now taught in the Near East in Arab universities? Has anyone written material on the temple nature of Facsimile #2? Or written material on the Facsimiles that coordinates with Hugh Nibley? When we talk about Zion, and the establishment of the city of Zion, that President McKay assigned Alvin R. Dyer to do, has anyone presented that study to the Quorum of the Twelve on assignment from Elder Dyer? What’s really interesting, is the man who has done all these things is ignored by BYU and the academics, but was loved by Hugh Nibley. He lives, and has a wealth of knowledge. I have written to you about him, Greg, and I was disappointed to see you ignore him.
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I'm a prepper; I'm not prepping because I think I'm going to die... I'm prepping because I know there are tough times ahead and I want to be prepared to mitigate the suffering. I don't want to be without financial means when the economy crashes, I don't want to be dependent on the government or others for my food, etc. Spiritual preparation is absolutely at the top of the list, but if extremely difficult times come and I am not temporarily prepared, then it will be very difficult to be at peace with all the stress that will result. If you are prepared, both temporarily and spiritually, you shall not fear.
All true. The message of the video is that the spiritual preparation always needs to stay at the top of our values.
It’s silly to think that just because a person is prepping temporally that it means they are neglecting the spiritual preparation, I hear that all the time.
But I regret having bought so much food in 2020-2021 from being influenced by preppers, I’m not willing to eat and rotate that food because it has expired and even though it isn’t harmful, the nutrients for sure have gone down and I don’t want that. Now my garage is extremely full and I wish I hadn’t done that.
The Church nowadays only encourages very light preparation, they know what they’re saying.
It is why I buy Freeze dried so it can sit for 25 years😂
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Who and where does the church ".. only encourages very light preparation?"
Please tell me where that is written. What authority figure has ever said that?
@@Sound_The_War-Cry you’d have to search for what is being said today, I don’t have time to do that right now to post here. But it definitely is not like before, I think they talk 3 months now instead of one year’s supply. (I did a few yearSss supply of dried food 🤦♀️) The handbook cautions against becoming extreme.
In 2007, my brother in law, along with my sister, got weirdly enthusiastic about prepping. But then the market where he had a booming business just evaporated. About two years later, I inexplicably, along with my wife, felt an urgency to polish up our preparations. I had a great job and plenty of money. We bought a few extra big items, and went through our year's supply and found 10 year expired cans, and exploded canned goods. We refreshed everything at that time of plenty. Then, later that year, I abruptly lost that job, the best one I ever had. Times got tighter. Though we never had to pull from the resources we had prepared, my wife and I had great peace of mind knowing that we had the preparations as insurance if things got bad. That peace of mind was well worth the few thousand dollars we had spent adding additional items and refreshing the old ones. Spiritual preparation is key. But physical preparation is part of our spiritual preparation.
Joseph in Egypt should’ve advised Pharaoh, “hey man, we don’t need to worry about this famine. I mean, we’re all gonna die sometime”
Lol, right
Some of us are going to be Joseph and some of us are going to be Joseph’s family. Whether we are preppers or not, we are going to need the character of true charity and the love of the Savior to share what we have with others. There are some good people in the California fires who had done what they could to prepare but lost everything in the fires. They need the generosity of others who have something to give in their time of need.
@@cheryldinnell5095Same with WNC and Maui and many other places
@@cheryldinnell5095The problem is the people who focus on character and preach to others about character, then expect help!
Call upon the church in a true emergency like needing to quit a job to care for a child with cancer or if you are a widow, orphan, or disabled.
Go watch "Prepare Ye" or "Prepare for Days of Tribulation". Benson talks of people of character expecting the church to help in the early 80s.
The church does preach self reliance education, saving and preparing every needful thing!
Haha! Yes
Whether you believe in Ezra Eagle or not, get prepared (spiritually and temporally). Note: In the Book of Mormon, the Gadianton robbers were defeated partly because the Nephites had food storage. I believe food storage will be a test of character. Are you going to squander it or share it with others. "Think celestial" the law of consecration is part of celestial law. Do you consecrate all you have for Zion, including your food storage?
I like to be prepared or a prepper but not because I'm scared for me but rather for my family. When my son was two and then after when each of my kids were around 1 or 2 they would come up and ask me for a drink of water because they were thirsty, I couldn't bear the thought of me having to tell them I don't have any or I don't have any food. That is why I got into preparing and then to see some of the things prophesied of in scripture and just in the world today I wanted my family to have food and water and shelter. I also it's driving to make the spiritual the number one priority, but I don't think it's hard to spend an additional 20 to $30 every month or every paycheck towards things that could ease their suffering or help others too.
If you make it to the millennium you will NOT die. You live and then are changed never to experience mortal death. I just heard a lot of "everyone is going to die." Not actually true. There is a reason a lot of people are trying diligently to be ready for Christ's return, spiritually and temporarily. The desire to live during the millennium in peace has a strong pull for so many people.
Thank you so much. This is exactly what I thought. I’m living like I’m going to be here when he comes so I want to be ready spiritually and temporarily. I understand we will be changed BUT up until the moment he comes we are going to face hardships both spiritually and temporarily.
It seems that the more prepared a person is, the more extreme they are perceived to be by those who are not prepared. If i have been preparing all my life as the prophets have taught us to be, then someone who hasn't lifted a finger is going to look at me as an extreme prepper.
I sat down a month ago and and spoke to a man in my ward. I told him i believed the Second Coming was very close. He refuted that idea because the 10 tribes have not been gathered yet, since they have not come down from the north pole yet as a group. I disagreed with him, but he was stubborn. We discussed some other things, and he was firm in his thought it was out there 100 years or more. I told him, well, your second coming could be next week. So you better prepare. He died two weeks later of a heart attack. I was stunned.
We prepare as President Nelson and every prophet before him has taught us. There is no such thing as spiritual preparing without temporal preparing. They are not Separate. That's like saying we don't need the outward ordinances of spiritual preparedness. We do it as a sign of obedience. You are not obedient if you do not temporally prepare.
We shouldn't be preparing to be dead. We should prepare to live. I want to live. If i die, then the Lord said it was time. But if i die, because i did not prepare, he will not be happy with my efforts.
If i die and leave all my preparations behind, then i have fulfilled my duty to provide for my family.
You guys are making it sound like you are foolish if you prepare with all your might mind and strength. Mocking your wife for wanting to be self reliant. She may end up saving your life. She is fulfilling your role to provide for and protect your family. Repent now. Jesus is not the teddy bear Jesus some make him out to be.
Normally I love Bruce’s perspective, but for the life of me I can’t figure out why people feel the need to pit spiritual and physical preparedness against each other, as if they’re somehow mutually exclusive. I don’t know when Jesus is coming, but I do know this. The second largest population center in the U.S. is on fire, the Gulf Coast is covered in snow, we had two terrorist attacks on New Year's Day, we're in proxy wars with Russian and Iran, and China has hacked our critical computer systems (including our power grid). I don’t think that Latter-day Saints being overly physically prepared is the problem. Having lived most of my adult life in California I dealt with fire evacuations, rolling blackouts (which sometimes would last more than a week), riots and skyrocketing crime. After all this, I take prepping pretty seriously. Now I live in Provo, and can tell you that while there may be some outliers, the vast majority of people are woefully underprepared for an emergency. For every one person that's over prepping, there are probably a hundred that would die of dehydration within a few days if water was shut off. I understand that there are some kooks out there, but I think a better message would be that people need to be prayerful about their physical preparedness. We used to promote exactly that kind of approach through the scouting program, with the motto “be prepared”. Now, are we supposed to replace that with “prepare to die”? Sorry, but I have kids, and I’m not on board with that.
Ppl feel the need to put down the other type of preparation is to feel superior about themselves. I see it in sooo many ppl people, even here. YT has made normal people famous. The pridefulness of a lot of the people that are doing these channels is disgusting.
If I am going to the temple, making the covenant of obedience, sacrifice, the laws of the gospel, with a pure and honest heart, I leave the temple follow the spirit and obey what the spirit has prompted me to do... follow the prophet and be prepared, then I must sacrifice, what am I inspired to Sacrifice?. Is it a new car? a trip to Egypt?.. maybe! We are called to give our time, talents and all that God has given us for Zion.. Hopefully I have prepared to help not ONLY myself, but my family, extended family, my neighbors (who have mocked me for prepping as they go on their trips) and the others who will need assistance on their way. Preparing for the Last Days is not selfish, it is an act of obedience and Love. We shall not all die, some will be changed, through Faith, Charity and the Pure Love of Christ.
You forgot 'chastity'. Did you find a loophole? 😅
When President Nelson said very plainly to prepare for the Second Coming and that He would govern from two world capitals, I don’t he was just talking about preparing to die.
Why does he keep saying that? “We are going to die”. It’s almost like he’s a bit angry about it.
President Oaks taught that all virtues can become a vice. A human temptation when someone sees a virtue taken to an extreme is to belittle or turn against the virtue. Being prepared and self reliant is a virtue and just because some people have turned it into a vice doesn’t mean we should belittle or condemn the virtue. And yet that was the tone of this interview. Why do we struggle to hold seemingly conflicting virtues (mercy vs justice; love vs truth: freedom vs order) simultaneously without disparaging one over the other? The irony here is that being spiritually prepared will lead someone to become temporally prepared. These are not mutually exclusive or conflicting virtues.
I think spiritual preparedness and temporal preparedness go hand in hand. The more spiritually prepared we are the more temporally prepared we will be.
I agree. Temporal and spiritual preparedness aren’t mutually exclusive. And prepping on both can be done at the same time. I don’t agree with Brother Porter.
It’s actually quite disgusting to assume that those who prep temporally aren’t prepping spiritually. The two things go hand in hand honestly. Those who follow Ezra’s Eagle (i do not) are preparing spiritually. We been asked to watch and that’s what they are doing. Does it always work out the way we think?? No but we all continue.
Thank you for that, I was getting a bit up set at hearing what I took to be "Ignore preparedness" which was put in place by the Prophets who in turn got it from our Lord. But I'm not the most erudite person out there, so maybe I'm just to simple...
I don’t think that’s what they are saying. They are just saying the spiritual prep is the most important.
@@Elliebee61 I freely admit I got a bit hot, but if the Prophets said prepare temporally and spiritually, I'm working on both, and I'm only expending my own labor. I wasn't trying to sound spicy, hope it didn't seem that way.
@@chrismead1464 I hear you.
Both lenses work together… one can’t be spiritually prepared without temporal preparation. It’s a practice of exercising faith and seeking revelation.
Morgan Philpot message is to be prepared/combines all the scriptures to the Last Days. I heard this since joining the Church.
Thanks, that's a good message. I believe in preparing. We've been taught to do it, and we have gotten better at it over time. My extended family has been doing it for almost 100 years as far as I know. But we're not "preppers." We garden and can and dehydrate and freeze dry. We save seeds. We store some water. We have some chickens. My goal, at this point is to try to remove as much of the processed foods as we can because I have an autoimmune disease. So doing all these things is really hard. But I just want to feel better, and it seems like everything I purchase at the store is just a setback to feeling better. But there's no possible way I can produce enough to feed my family each year. We still rely heavily on the store, even with my attempts. To produce that, I'd need a lot of land, which I can't afford. And it would take more energy than I have, anyway. So I pray for relief, which I don't get. But I'm know I am blessed, regardless. We trust in God, not anything else. I am constantly relaying that message to my kids. I hope we all "get it."
Our prophet has counseled us to prepare like Moroni prepared his people. “First, he helped them create areas where they would be safe- “places of security” he called them. Second, he prepared “the minds of the people to be faithful unto the Lord.” And third, he never stopped preparing his people- PHYSICALLY or SPIRITUALLY.” How more clear do you have to be. Do you have the character to follow obey this counsel?
Of course, we need to do it in wisdom and order. Some are out of balance. But the reality is the majority of members are grossly unprepared. We need to get more people to prepare, or when the inevitable comes and you are wanting with food then you can proclaim “we all die anyway” for relief.
Such a great quote from our prophet. Thank you for sharing
While I acknowledge that a small percentage of people go overboard with prepping and some prioritize prepping physically over spiritually, I don't understand the shift in the church toward constantly counseling against extreme prepping. I think 90% of the church could use more prepping mindset while only 1% could use less. Yet, it's been years or maybe even decades since we were counseled about food storage. In late 2019, I finished up a two-year goal to have a better food storage. I can't tell you how much comfort it was to our family to know that we could easily survive for about a year if things really hit the fan. The cost and work it took to make those preparations paid off for the peace of mind we had during those 2-3 years of insanity that followed. Something missing from this discussion is the delineation between those who have children at home and those who do not. I share Bruce's attitude of, "We're all going to die." when it comes to my wife and I. We've had our go at things and I'm not too concerned about us. But I can't imagine that having that outlook is okay in the eyes of God when you're still responsible for children, you have the means to prepare, and you simply choose not to because "it's really the spiritual preparation that matters". Take a deep look into the true horrors of starvation and you will be stunned by how viscous and degrading a demise it is. I realize that despite all my preparations, that could still happen. But at least I'd be able to say that I took reasonable measures to avoid it. And while listening to this discussion, I kept asking myself, "Then why did the church ever preach food storage at all if it's so unnecessary?"
Very well said. I look around among members and there are many families with young children who do not have food storage.
Yes many have overcorrected meaning no preparation
Multiple times, Bruce dismisses temporal preparation. He makes the point that it's futile. He doesn't simply make the point that spiritual preparation is a higher priority, or should be done first, or can't be neglected. He is overtly dismissive of temporal preparation.
If it is the case as he suggests, that the only preparation we ought to be focused on is spiritual preparation and character improvement, for the idea that we may die at any point in time, then why would the Savior have commanded us to watch and pray for the day of his coming? Wouldn't the Savior simply have said 'be ready at all times for tomorrow ye may die'? It is clear to me the Savior wants us watching for, and preparing for, His return.
I find it interesting that you two speak so much about spiritual preparation /and dismissed temporalnorep as if just a hobby and fun part), but completely neglected emotional preparation. Something president Nelson has called out, even though he has not expounded on it like he has focused on spiritual preparation. I find it amazing how emotionally unprepared Latter-Day Saints are for the second coming, despite our Prophet making it very clear that we need to prepare.
The omission of President Nelson's admonitions as of late to prepare is painfully absent from this discussion.
@@charinabottae There is only one prophet of God, but there are many false prophets.
“Prayer is good, but when baked potatoes and pudding and milk are needed, prayer will not supply their place.” Brigham Young.
Interesting that Bruce Porter advocates against temporal preparation. It may be far less vital than spiritual preparation for exaltation, but as President Nelson has reiterated, temporal preparation is still very important - just as the Ark was for Noah’s temporal survival. Don’t “let go” of either spiritual or temporal preparation.
Bruce never advocated against temporal preparation. He simply is stating that spiritual preparation is more important.
10:22 "The only way to prepare for the last days is to prepare to die." Perhaps he is not overtly advocating against temporal preparation, but he makes it very clear it's pointless in his opinion. Which is directly contrary to prophetic counsel. I far prefer president Benson on this topic. Bruce runs contrary to prophphetoc council in his poo-pooing preparation. He absolutely was NOT doing as you say, to advocate that the most important aspect is spiritual prep. He dismissed physical prep as futile. And yet, president Nelson has recently reiterated that physical prep for second coming is important (along with emotional and spiritual prep).
@@charinabottae Amen.
@@CwicShow He really did if you go back and listen.
@@charinabottae It wasn't pointless for Noah and his family, it wasn't pointless for Joseph in Egypt to store 7 years of food which saved his family and countless others from famine...We have been similarly warned to prepare.
The Lord declared “that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given you a law which was temporal” (D&C 29:34
This video was nothing like what I expected. From where I am sitting the members are NOT prepping food and supplies like they should. They are completely naive about the situations they will have to go through. I am in a few LDS prepping groups and I am stunned at how unprepared and gullible these people are. People are going to have to get mentally tough.
I agree this video wasn't what I expected.
I prepare food and financial stores so that if I am called to help others, I will be able to. My food storage is so that I am a blessing in my community, not so I can survive nuclear fall out.
less than 3% members in the church in the states are physically prepared. Some in my ward laughed that they would just live off those of us that do prepare.
@anitalifeofwellness they will be severely disappointed if they think I'm going to deprive my family to feed them. My family is my responsibility, they are not. I will protect my family and my preps from everyone, including members.
Jesus would be so proud, lol
@@lemjwp1756your comment has no founding
I trust my P.Blessing it tells me I remain on earth till Jesus comes in his glory I'm 75 in March 2025 I feel he will come very soon 🙏 OH happy day
I think the reason we prepare temporally matters. Are we prepping to save ourselves or to (also) give to those in need? Same with spiritually prepping. To save ourselves or also strengthen those that remain? The Lord knows our heart and will guide us in our preparations as we try to discern His will.
I have been following the preparedness guidelines since I married in 1971. I've learned, since then to try and have more than I need to be able to share. I've always kept a temple recommend and learned that if it comes down to our faith to exercise to increase, what we have saved, it will grow by faith, like the bread and fish, Jesus increased. And I do believe, if we have had everything taken away from us, God will provide manna for us like He did the Children of Israel. FAITH IN GREATER AMOUNTS, IS NEEDED, AS WELL.
Being prepared for temporal and spiritually has been the church's message since the days of Joseph Smith. I try to be as prepared both ways as is possible because this is the message I have heard my entire life from all of our Prophets. We are not the Church of eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die! We are the Church of survival.
Yes. Spiritual preparedness is the biggest priority, but temporal preparedness has a spiritual element as we obey the council of our leaders, and as we are willing to consecrate all we have as we are prepared to help our family, and others (not hunker down with our guns).
Always good to hear from Bruce and Greg. This is always a fun topic and I agree, that some people take this why to far into left field spirituality and temporally.
I used to stress out about the end of days coming before I was “fully” prepared. I think it’s important to remember the parable of the ten virgins at its very basic meaning. We must get to know God and our savior so that we will know him when he comes. We should be prepared and willing to serve and worship him with all your heart. When it comes to everything else just do the best you can and things will be okay.
It cracks me up when people try and predict the end and speculate because certain people are in position of power now, and that means the end is nearing. I think the end will come a lot quicker when the majority of the people have forgotten the Lord their God and the followers of Christ become anti-Christ.
This was a fun discussion thank you Bruce for sharing your perspective again.
Thanks Greg
"Are you keeping the veil thin?" What a simple yet profound way to view one's spiritual well being. Thanks for that Greg
When I saw the subject and that Bruce was on the show I knew what to expect. I have seen him discuss this subject on another RUclips channel and it was more of the same. Bruce is very knowledgeable about some subjects. It sometimes happens that when someone has some expertise and gets a little bit of a following, they think that they should impart their wisdom on all subjects. We should be careful to not conflate expertise in some areas to expertise in all areas. There is a scripture that comes to mind- When they are learned, they think they are wise....
That scripture defines most of the LDS RUclipsrs.
Soooo, the take from this video is....just make sure you are spiritually prepared (i.e., temple recommend, good character, etc.) but don't worry about temporal prepardness because we will all die eventually anyway??? So let's just travel everywhere, go to Disneyland, go on cruises, play, eat out at restaurants constantly, etc. because we might miss out on those things because we're sacrificing to become temporally prepared??? No, I would rather have made sacrifices to get food storage, etc. and never need it, than to need it and not have it. I believe this "live for the moment" mentality will cause those who follow it much physical suffering in the future. I believe and follow what the prophets have said regarding being temporally prepared, not just being spiritually prepared. I guess we will see if that temple recommend will put food on the table, give you light at night, keep you warm, etc. when there is famine, hunger and starvation, disease, sickness, pestilence, natural disasters, etc. that is sure to come based on the scriptures and prophecy.
I don’t think this was the message at all.
@@CwicShow
If you listen to what he said it is that don’t worry about temporal preparedness. Temporal preparedness is an important part of spiritual preparedness. Temporal preparedness includes much beyond food storage, it getting out of debt. It’s learning how to be independent. It’s learning how to grow things and many other important things
Fallowing all the lords counsel is important. He has counseled us on the importance of food storage. This message seems to sideline that counsel. Being physically prepared is a spiritual matter.
@@CwicShowthat was clearly the message of the video Greg, whether you intended it to be or not.
Moroni never stopped preparing. --- Pres Nelson Why cant we always prepare temporarily and spiritually?
I see prepping as an extension of the description of God's will in 2 Nephi 2:21 "And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh..."
Propping will help prolong the days of us and our neighbors, in times of great hardship so we can turn to God.
Perfect!
My dad always says, that the very worst thing he would have to see is his kids and grandkids starving to death. He has always encouraged us kids to be prepared for the lean times because we just don’t ever know when someone will loose their job, or get in an accident, or a number of things that could happen. It is good to be prepared.
When Joseph of Egypt had them save 7 years of wheat was he wrong?
I would love to know what the dividing line that Bruce Porter has between being spiritually prepared and not being spiritually prepared. Since he knows that we ought to be spending our time becoming spiritually prepared, and not focus on being temporally prepared, he must know the demarcation line that we must achieve in order to meet the Saviour. At what point are we spiritually prepared so that we can become temporally prepared. If we ignore the signs of His coming, are we not failing in spiritual preparation?
We have been constantly advised to become temporally prepared for any potential event, including the coming of Christ since the days of Joseph Smith. Pres. Hinckley, I believe, noted that they are not emphasizing it as much today because they have warned us for so long and we have ignored the warnings.
Being spiritually prepared has always been the message as well. The warnings of the 2nd Coming are a little more intense today than in the past. Pres. Nelson’s “in the coming day” is a little more urgent than “when He comes.” However, like the Parable of the 10 Virgins explains, we need to be prepared both temporally and spiritually.
The tone of this video is your waiting your time prepping, if you had the money to put into can’s why not.
Look at what the church is doing for the SLC temple, spending billions on what might happen.
I understand spending with in our means.
Spiritual preparation and have His Spirit to be with us is top priority, then making it to when Christ returns.
So sad to say prepare to die, I am preparing to live.
If I am prepared in very way then I have a chance to live.
If I am alive when Christ returns and I am worthy then I live.
That is the point, this generation will live when he returns.
Prepare in every way.
Do it with in your means.
Christ is the way, the only way.
I want to
Be in the way🙏💕💕
I'm curious why the church has always advised for a year supply if it isn't important? I look at food storage as a hedge against hard times for me and my family. If calamities happen and we don't survive, maybe my preparations will be a blessing to someone who does survive and needs it.
Who said it wasn’t important?
@CwicShow didn't have to say it, it was just the feel of the video.
@@CwicShow undeniably, it was the tone of the video. It felt that way to me and I see most commentors agree. Regardless, I love your videos and I love it whenever you have Bruce Porter on.
@@davidjohnson7484 I think there is a bias in the comments here of those that are “hardcore” that hear what they want to hear (that anything less than the level they’re doing is not right). I think the recent beguiling of Ezra’s Eagle caters to that thinking. I believe that if you’re doing the prerequisite spiritual work, you’re going to be balanced in your approach to temporal work because you will hear and obey the Spirit.
@@SkinnaMov I agree with everything you said. But I think you ignored an entire group of people in order to gloss over what has been a clear decline in the emphasis on physical preparedness. I might even go so far as to say there's been a reversal. The group I'm talking about are those who remember the days when the year supply of food was preached, still think it's a good idea, try to adhere to that, and get lumped in with the crazies. I consider myself part of this group. Furthermore, I see as much effort being spent on admonishing against extremism as I see being spent on preaching preparedness despite the fact that relatively very few are extreme, while the vast majority are woefully underprepared. The crazies are triggered, fine. But it's a lot more difficult to reconcile the fact that the vibe changes if you mention food storage and preparedness in church, while you're sitting around dozens of families with little children who don't give a single thought about preparedness and couldn't care less. The vibe is fine for them. That's a problem.
I'm sorry. This is bad advice. President Benson said a years supply of food will be as important for us as boarding the ark was in Noah's day.
No one said temporal prepping was bad. The message is that first and foremost we should be spiritually prepping.
@@CwicShow That is not very clear from the video. It comes across as very critical of those who are preparing.
I love Greg, Bruce, and Michael Rush. For balance, I would have liked to hear them discuss what percentage of the church actually has a year supply. It’s shockingly low.
@@knelson3326I feel the same about each of these good men and share your concerns about physical preparedness in the church.
Maybe this attitude is why so many members dont take it seriously that they could suffer the pains of hunger.
"The title End of Days Prepping and Discerning the Voices of the End of Days" is kind of interesting because if I'm discerning what Bruce Porter is teaching that the only way to prepare for the last days is basically to 'Prepare to Die.' This is not what is taught in the scriptures nor by prophets. We are told to 'Prepare Every Needful' thing according to the D&C.
I believe we also teach preparation wrong in the church saying that spiritual preparedness is more important than the physical because the D&C states that all things unto the Lord are spiritual and not at any time has the Lord given a commandment which is temporal meaning that the commandment to store food is part of spiritual preparation.
If one is truly spiritually prepared they will also be physically prepared.
The Lord didn't spare Noah and his family based on Spiritual preparation alone or what great character Noah had developed but instead Noah had to put in the physical effort to build the ark that spared his family.
You’re taking it out of context. He said that death is something you live through. Meaning that prepared to die is to prepare for eternity.
@@CwicShowit is not being taken out of context. That is what Bruce said. Bruce is right that spiritual preparation is important, but dead wrong (no pun intended) that spiritual preparation is the only thing that is important.
You should take this video down. It makes you look so judgmental and soils your reputation.
I told my Bishop my food storage is his anytime he needs it for the ward. I taught my kids not only to share their faith and belief in Christ with others that also anything that they have temporarily as is needed. I think we need to give of ourselves an all ways. My heart and mind are mainly focused on spiritual preparedness but I want to be prepared in both ways as have been taught by our Prophets.
I'm just curious, do you still have young children at home? Because if you don't, I understand your attitude completely. I still have 3 children at home. Until that changes, they are my responsibility. They still need my wife and I and they need to not starve. I'm not sharing what I've saved with people who didn't bother to prepare. Once my kids are responsible for themselves, my food storage is at the bishop's command so long as it goes to people with young children. Adults can fend for themselves, including my wife and I.
Imagine how crazy Noah looked ..
And Lehi.
Minute 21:31 of this video “even within the scriptures it’s tell us that this is the gospel of repentance not the gospel of our supply, not the gospel of prepping but THE ONLY PREPPING THAT THE SCRIPTURES TALK ABOUT IS THAT SPIRITUAL PREPPING that needs to take place. We need to be ready to die.”
That is not true. The scriptures talk about prepping “temporally” such as Joseph of Egypt, Wise and Foolish Virgins, 1 Timothy 5:8, D&C 109:8. No one says that spiritual preparedness is not important. Still, the message this video conveys is that you need to prepare to die. That’s nonsense, let’s prepare to live and die.
D&C 29:34 Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given unto you a law which was temporal
True.
Interesting pod cast but some what slanted to extremes. What percentage of the church has a year supply of food , fuel, money etc. Elder Bednar in his address “Prepare to Obtain Every Needful Thing “ and President Benson’s statement “a year supply of food is as important to our temporal salvation as boarding the ark was to the people of Noah.” Many members of the Lord’s church feel they are following the living prophets when they prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Part of the character building you spoke of is following the prophets, past and present. I have been “preparing or prepping “ since I joined the church. After 45 years I’m still prepping which means physical health and strength, financial preparation, and more than anything spiritual preparation. Your show sounded like physical preparation was extreme, you didn’t talk about the other end of the spectrum, no preparation and expectations that the church will bail you out. If our food storage and preparations help family, friends and neighbours then I think you would be considered a wise servant prepared not just to share the gospel but to share temporally. Love Bruce but I think he should be teaching the importance of following the council to be prepared in all ways, not slagging the extreme examples. Love your show but this one I could have missed. Also get your physical things in order before taking any cruises.
Bruce how can you be spiritually prepared if you don't have some temporal preparedness. My understanding is that spiritual growth has a great reliance on physical needs being meet.
As these RUclips channels expand and various guests make the circuit with philosophies of man mingled with scripture, do you and others pay the guests?
I’m a prepper (hopefully with character) because I’m preparing to help others live not just to die.
Understand your concern, love your show, and good points. It's an interesting discussion, but why are you concerned about this? It doesn't seem like this should be your concern to have. I followed both sides of Ezra's Eagle and didn't feel like those that believed Ezra's Eagle were doing anything wrong or extreme. People considering EE were simply trying to not ignore signs of the times. Frankly, something seemed off by those who wanted to prove EE believers wrong. It resembled persecution. I know this is an extreme example, but think of those in the Book of Mormon who were about to be put to death because non-believers decided that the time of the prophecy was past due. The least we can do is not be of that mindset. In other words, just as we don't know when the second coming WILL happen, we also don't know when it WON'T happen. We need to admit that most people fall in one of the two camps - either thinking they can identify/estimate end time events, or thinking that they can identify/estimate what is not an end time event. While both camps have inherent risks, I see more risk in the latter camp. We are supposed to be watching for the signs, and their descriptions are ambiguous, so we have to do our best. It is dismissive to argue "so if it's true, what are you going to do about it?...I'm not going to change the last days". We all agree we are supposed to be engaged in watching and preparing; but by that same logic, we also have to attempt (and struggle) to interpret the signs of the times (hopefully we're doing that through prayer, study, and listening to the brethren). Didn't mean to leave this long of a comment, but we should all try to be aware of the fallacies in our own arguments and sub-conscious agendas.
Excellent comment.
I agree.
Bruce's perspective on the second coming keeps me grounded: 1. It's gonna happen. 2. It hasn't happened yet. 3. We are closer to it today than we were yesterday.
Well duh!
I've been following US and world events compared to Ezra's Eagle for about eight or so years. I think it is still playing out.
People are throwing it out too quickly.
I'm just not sure if Trump is represented by one feather, or two.
Me too. I think he is a feather and an Eagles head. I believe it could read that way.
@@safrew1 Hmm. I've always thought of the Eagle heads as the secret combinations that are really running things. I see them as about to take over and exercise tyranny overtly. The secret combinations behind the political left have spent 50-100 years taking over all of the institutions of power: education, news media, government bureaucracies, etc. They have succeeded in brainwashing most of the public, through those institutions, into believing a narrative that enriches the secret combinations at the expense of the American taxpayers (and the American people's future indebtedness, which currently stands at more than $100,000 of debt per man, woman, and child in the U.S.). But the past three elections, including 2020, if you throw out the "mysterious" 10-15M extra Biden votes that entered the electorate for that election and then disappeared for this one), enough people have seen through the absurdity of the brainwashing. Even all of the institutions telling us that a man can decide he's a woman (without any of them being able to define a woman), and that 6-year-olds can decide they are the opposite gender and we should immediately and permanently mutilate them into looking like it, that a human fetus is "just a clump of cells," and all of the other woke nonsense, is not enough. People just no longer believe it. Even with all of their power, they have reached the pinnacle of mind control over the electorate in the last decade or so. Now all of their power is not enough to keep their house of cards of public opinion from collapsing in on itself. I just don't see the secret combinations giving up on 100 years of effort, and being willing to let Trump dismantle their institutions. They won't want to start over from scratch to spend another 50-100 years to get back to this level of institutional control. Instead, I think we are currently at the time of Esra's Eagle verse 28, where the last two short feathers attempt to set up to rule together (Trump/Vance?), but the middle head, the greatest one (the WEF or some less visible secret organization?), which was at rest, awakens and aligns the other two eagle heads with it (the Democrat and Republican parties, maybe, or some less visible secret organizations that exert their power?). Just this week, Claus Schwab of the WEF was making the point that they may have to intervene to undo votes, and bragged that they have already done so in places like Romania, and the EU. (To which, I would add Brazil.) Are we near the point where the eagle heads just say, "If we can no longer control public opinion, we can't trust the people with democracy anymore, and before we lose all of this power, that took 100 years to accumulate, we need to just declare democracy (what they like to call representative governments) a failure, and just blatantly take over--for the good of the whole world, of course." If that's where we are in Ezra's prophecy, then it starts to sound a lot like the beast of the Revelation of John--where none can buy nor sell without the mark of the beast.
Respectfully, i think maybe Bruce has gotten it a little off. I think theres a proving contrary there, where spiritual and physical preparation is important. Of course the spiritual is the most important, but if we neglect physical preparation then we really werent fully listening to the Lord. He has said it over and over again, it is important to him for us to prepare temporally.
One recent example would be Elder Bednars 2020 talk...
"Some Church members opine that emergency plans and supplies, food storage, and 72-hour kits must not be important anymore because the Brethren have not spoken recently and extensively about these and related topics in general conference. But repeated admonitions to prepare have been proclaimed by leaders of the Church for decades. The consistency of prophetic counsel over time creates a powerful concert of clarity and a warning volume far louder than solo performances can ever produce."
Seems like they still find it important to me.
I’m saddened you have jumped on the bandwagon of knocking other people’s inspiration, who are we to call out others on their inspiration ? We are all called to the work if we choose to accept it. If you are spiritually prepared.. you are physically prepared. Do we mock Porter for saying we are in the 6th dispensation? No.. we let him have his opinion. I thank God for men like Michael Rush who prayed, studied and put himself out there, who himself said, if it doesn’t happen this way, it is translated incorrectly, or I have. Rush has always said to pray and study for yourself, have the spirit. Because of him many have studied the scriptures more diligently. It would have been wiser to have a discussion with Rush..
All is not well in Zion..
Trump is Jehu.. Don’t be deceived.. 2025 is just beginning! We need to support each other, not call out another.. who knows this might be the catalyst to learning and further inspiration, who are you to judge him?
Bad Form brothers .. Bad Form
Right. I believed in Michael’s interpretation because it fits with many other things. The eagle hiccup doesn’t mean we are not close. I don’t see the Gadiantons giving up the fight and letting Trump dismantle their organization.
Amen to everything you said!!! I’m so weary of these podcasters finding fault, demeaning the character and integrity of other fellow saints who are just striving to add light to our preparing for the 2nd coming of Christ. To me, this was a disappointing video. I usually always love Greg’s video’s but this one was very different. Spiritual and temporal preparedness go hand in hand. To be spiritually prepared, one must also be temporally prepared.
It's BOTH. Remember the parable of the talents... not a very effective servant / steward if your DEAD, of stavation. At the same time you can't be His servant if you do not have His characteristics. It's both. I worry when voices prioritize one over the other...
Spiritual preparedness is totally the number one thing we should be doing, but temporal preparedness is very important too.
I have felt spiritual promptings to get a years supply. I came to realize it is not just for me and my family. It will be for my neighbors and friends as well. Before the year 2000, conference talks were given about food storage regularly. That changed in the early 2000’s.
I feel strongly that I need to do both. And that both are spiritual for me.
What about Sherem in the Book of Mormon with Jacob and what he taught the people before he died and the power of God they felt afterwards when praying to God? Sounds like character was changed in Sherem.
I really do love Bruce Porter and his testimony, but a question that comes to mind having listened to his opinion of this topic: "Who exactly made him the expert on this subject and why does his opinion matter?"
I personally believe that most don't prepare enough, spiritually OR temporally, knowing the scriptures and knowing what's coming.
Thank you great points to think about, it brought to mind a teaching of President Oaks in his talk The Atonement and Faith April 2010 “To be admitted into His presence, we must be more than clean. We must be changed from a morally weak person who has sinned into a strong person with the spiritual stature to dwell in the presence of God”. For me your message was that is our most valuable preparation.
Well, this podcast cast was a REAL Debbie Downer. I think what you're trying to get to is " moderation in all things." President Nelson said to, "Never stop preparing. " That would go for spiritually as well as physically. President Benson said, " Our food storage would be as important to us as entering the ark was to Noah. " You missed the mark on this podcast.
I really like this Chanel but this video was soooo annoying. The only members of the church who like to debate that spiritual preparedness is more important than temporal preparedness. Are those members who are not prepared.
I’ve never met anyone who is temporarily prepared, but not spiritually prepared.
What people tend to forget is that the Lord has told us that when we follow a temporal law or council, It is spiritual unto the Lord.
The Lord declared “that all things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time have I given you a law which was temporal” (D&C 29:34).
If you were spiritually prepared, and you have made no Preparations to become temporarily prepared, I believe you will regret it.
Amen, character, repentance, conversion are the only true preparation to meet Christ again. But all of the calamities don't happen at once right before the final second coming and they don't all result in death. The calamities have been happening for our whole lives and long before, and temporal preparation can help us fulfill our duty to protect and provide for our families during those times. Some people who survived Helene a few months ago had to do so by escaping out their backdoors just before their homes got swept away, and camping out on the hillside for several days while they waited for help. I would hate to be stuck in that situation without any preparation because I decided to let the pendulum swing over to spiritual-only. It doesn't have to be either or. One thing I like about temporal preparation is that it can be a training course for spiritual preparation. The Brother of Jared parted the veil as he consulted with the Lord about his temporal preparations.
Interesting. I had never considered most of these thoughts. Thank you.
Prepping is just self reliance. We've been told for decades to be prepared, from a spiritual and a temporal perspective. All modern prophets have talked about being ready for Christ's coming. They all talk about it because none of them know when it's going to happen. Matt 24:35-37
Not enough humility my friends as there were too many “shoulds” preached and too much generalization of persons. It is a mistake to bucket anyone who takes preparation seriously as out of step with prophetic teaching. Then at the end, I suggest that Bruce wrongly criticizes those who come up with "theories." Clearly he doesn't understand the source of Ezra Eagle very well because he (Michael) is humble and offers he thoughts as an idea, not as someone to be followed. The scriptures are clear that to “theorize” is encouraged so to be instructed and perfected in understanding (D&C 88:78, 97:14). Pondering, wondering and asking the Lord is a good thing. And of course, to always bring those theories/ideas back to the standard (HG, canon/scriptures, prophetic teachings).
When I was 12 years old (in 1987) my parents befriended a well meaning gal from our ward that seemed to be an expert on the apocalypse. She introduced our family to many books and videos about the last days. It made me feel important to be one of the few folks that knew how the end times would play out. One of the videos she showed us (I don’t remember the person who made the video) claimed that the Millennium would start on April 6, 1993. When the prophesied day arrived and nothing seemed different, I felt confused and disappointed. Since then I’ve grown more skeptical about obscure prophecies or people claiming to have special knowledge of Christ’s 2nd coming. I don’t want to get hurt again. I still believe that Jesus will come again. I believe it’s wise to be spiritually and temporally prepared. I’m looking forward to the temple in Jerusalem being rebuilt. I choose to trust the brethren in Salt Lake City🙂
If someone was claiming Trump would be assassinated before he put his hand on the Bible…it was probably a good thing he didn’t put his hand on the Bible. lol
😂 my thought exactly!
Tho, I wish he had...
It was obv in watching the whole process that the bibles weren't even there yet, when the swearing in began. Easily over-looked by Trump.
Still...I wish he had...
@@virginia6158 same thought as well!
@ it wasn’t a trump problem, it’s a John Roberts problem. He’s screwed up multiple inaugurations now. He screwed up Obama’s so bad they had to redo it inside later.
@@brandonl2555 He doesn’t like the Bible in reality.
That’s a misrepresentation of the common interpretation of the prophecy. All it said is that Biden’s term would have been shorter than Trump’s and that Trump wouldn’t be allowed to rule.
"It doesn't matter if we are here when He comes???" 10:43 Sheesh. If I'm here when he comes, it will be, what, the third most significant event in the history of the world? (Maybe only after the original Good Friday and Easter Sunday? Seems like it matters a lot--even though we all will get to meet him again--whether in this life or the next.
The spiritual and temporal are inseparably connected. We are supposed to watch and prepare for the great day of the Lord.
How much of the scriptures focus on the coming forth of the kingdom of God? We should be actively engaged watching, learning and preparing ourselves to be part of his kingdom. That means we should prepare ourselves now to live in Zion with the Lord reigning as our King. We should also prepare as Noah, or Joseph did against the tribulation that will precede it. The best preparation is to have a relationship with the lord and take the holy ghost to be your guide, that will be the most critical, but a righteous steward would prepare in every way they can.
I wouldn't limit myself to just one year of food either. Review any trial in history, and you should realize that you should have multiple years of food and additional supplies. Wisdom would suggest not to bury your talents under a rock for a future day, but live for the lord now and tomorrow.
I don't see any correlation between a person putting away $10K every now and then and storing Book of Mormons. I know, I get what he was saying, but I'm a prepper and while I like the daily comforts, I don't see anything wrong with being prepared to live without our Babylonian world if necessary. Of course I thing spiritual preps are first and foremost, but don't belittle what we were told by the church for decades to do to prepare to be self sufficient. That admonition, as spoken by Elder Bednar in recent times, has NOT been rescinded. With our new president I may not feel as much urgency to prepare, but I will continue to prepare teporally as well as spiritually because I think it is wise to obey that admonishment.
For me this isn't about fear of death, it is about obedience. And I'm better sprepared spiritually than I have ever been and will continue that progression.
Great messages! I used to live with someone who was an extreme preparedness person. It never felt right because the spiritual aspect took a back seat. This video reminded me of Romans 8:6 -- "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." This isn't to say that being prepared is carnal, but in some cases it could be.
Stock up lots of food, water, fuel and ammunition.
Yes……spiritual is more important *however*- Jesus always fed and healed people before He taught them. This is because it’s very hard to learn and incorporate spiritual things when your basic physical needs are not met. Think Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. The Lord is clear in the D&C that at no time has He given a physical commandment, only spiritual- to include things like “move to the Ohio” and “build a temple” which required very physical actions. Therefore- the command to prepare every needful thing is also a spiritual command. Remember, the first law of heaven is Obedience and if we are not obeying the commandments to do physical things then that is a reflection of a spiritual problem.
I am a prepper I feel it’s important that regardless of what happens if it’s two years to 10 years from now, I want to be prepared you never know what’s gonna happen and you never know what the weather’s gonna be. It is a good thing to be prepared With food fuel . I think also that we shouldn’t talk another person down because of what they feel they believe and what they read in the Scriptures. No one knows everything, but I would prefer to be prepared in every way that I can be
The point of the discussion was to warn against putting temporal preparedness over spiritual preparedness. It is a real thing that people struggle with, including myself. I do think there is a bigger problem with insufficient preparation in the church compared to extreme preparation by church members. I have wondered why the brethren haven't emphasized preparedness as much in recent year. Elder Bednar tried to emphasize that all past messages given from the pulpit still apply, but I think we could all use a President Benson type reminder.
I don’t look at this as a black or white issue. The scriptures and modern day Prophets have taught us to be spiritually and temporally prepared. The scriptures are replete with examples of both: Joseph in Egypt (the famine), Nephi and Jaredites preparing specific temporal needs for their long journeys ahead, even the 10 virgins who Bruce mentioned, who were spiritually prepared (virtue) however, half of them were not temporally prepared with oil (which can also be a spiritually analogy).
Christ knew that disciples learn better character with a little food (fish and loaves) in their belly. He taught fasting but so many times even after resurrected He taught through breaking bread with disciples.
True we need to build character in this life and prepare to meet Him. I don’t think our character is even close to God’s when we die. I think we as a people put too many temporal and spiritual timelines on things we don’t understand. All I am saying is Christ taught the importance of both about being prepared spiritually and temporally.
Thank you.
Jesus taught that we feed the sick and hungry, that is real character, that was the parable of the ten virgins. Real character is developed through helping others.
But we are asked to uphold the Constitution, which is taught by the church. President Benson would have much to say about that.
Ugh. What a swing and a miss from Bruce, whom I usually love.
I want to know: Are there more people who are extreme preppers that get obsessed with end times and wander down strange paths to apostasy, or more people who have no food storage, and no incentive to get any because they’re surrounded by other boomers who basically tell everyone to calm down because all is well in Zion if you just make sure you’re “spiritually prepared.”
What would have actually been inspiring and educative would have been a discussion about how many people BECOME spiritually prepared because they learned about end time prophecy, followed counsel to get food storage, and saw the miracles that follow acting in faith. THAT is where I’ve seen miracles in people’s lives.
This video was very very disappointing. I don’t feel it went with the title description.
The first three rules for prep after spiritual is:
1) water
2) water
and did I say
3) water ?
One can’t truly say they are spiritually prepared without having temporal self reliance. We are all called to follow the spirit, often times these are interconnected. To ignore prophetic warnings, to not create a place of refuge both spiritually and temporally is not wise. Some of us are called to stretch and grow through preparation! It’s a process, what I’ve found is the overcorrection of people after the “extreme prepping” memo, so very few are prepared temporally for what the scriptures say is coming. They expect the church to be their welfare when they can’t see the church in the future being broke up by Gadiantons. We are supposed to protect the church and erect the watch tower yet we don’t. Preparedness I’ve found is ultimately what Noah learned… the power of revelation is given to those who prepare. The Lord is coming and if we understand the calamities that have been prophesied we can be prepared.
Mmmm disappointing. Porter prob will regret how this all ages w interview on Gospel Lessons channel too. So much anxiety in that whole discussion. This was a bit of a straw man discussion here too. Maybe counterbalance w your alls take in how close we are to 70th week. It is a thing
Thank you for the topic and discussion. I think all my prepper instincts are for righteous reasons, and my sharing my thoughts with friends and family is for righteous purposes and to help them be prepared. However, I have thought at times I am overstepping my bounds and that I need to let others feel the spirit and act on their promptings. Unfortunately, my communication causes fear, although I am not fearful but want to be diligent.
Oh but we have to stay clean leave the world behind
I was young when president Kimball said prepare your home with food for hard times. Because if your home is prepared you don’t have to worry. I agree that staying as close to the lord is just as important. Then you don’t have to worry about.
Thanks.What does this mean that bruce does not have food stor any other physical preparations? We have been admonished to do so from the pulpit for generations. Bruce needs to admit that. He makes it sound like it is unnecessary.
I dropped after 11 mins - end times prophecy is given to us so we would read and ponder. Jesus commanded us to read Isaiah, for instance. Jesus tells about end times so we’ll know. Should we not try to understand it? Tenor of the 11 mins l I saw was dismissive.
We are told our spiritual and physical selves are equal in importance. It would be hard, if not impossible, to take care of our fellowmen spiritually if they're suffering from hunger or cold. We need to be obedient to all the things we are asked to do--a balance between physical and spiritual. You're right, though, in that spiritual is often neglected in comparison to the physical.
Newsflash! Porter is not a prophet!
In reference to cooking and eating and time spent. I think it is important to do all those things with a good spirit. Consciously doing these things with love and patience and with an eye of continually of improving in all ways is a huge part of of spiritual growth. We can spend our whole day living and doing normal things with an eye On seeing and doing things as the Savior would that is also important time spent in spiritual growth
What a good thought. Thank you!
I just LOVE you guys!♥️ Once again you have validated impressions I’ve received about some of these people. I’ve stopped watching them because of all you have mentioned.
Thank you for being a blessing in my life…. And the life of so many others.
I feel that being prepared is important. I also believe that if you believe in the words of our Fathers. That He will protect, feed,and clothe us as the lillys of the field or the sparrows. Yes prepare, be ready, but also have Faith, not fear.
Our prophet has said he is coming back soon! How do we misinterpret that?
Thank you for posting this and helping bringing light to the situation as it's definitely needed
The church may not be organized to bring about political and social change, but it can only function in societies where freedom of conscience and worship exist, so the two are very much connected.
This convo is what we should be talking about!
Character is key! Great points! And that's why so many that do give to those in need and participate in miracles will not be prepared, because they never got to know our Heavenly Father!
How do you know that?
When Pres. Nelson counseled us to repent daily, I felt like it was the Lord's way of saying that we should be ready to go (die) at any time. At the time, it seemed like such morbid thought that I hesitated telling my children bout it (they are grown). But I have shared it with the ones that I think will accept it. Hopefully.❤
Prepping whether spiritual and physical; Isn’t that what president Nelson told us to do continually and in a prudent wise way?
Yes. Why is this a hard concept?
31:19 what have you deprived your kids and family of!?! Being temporally prepared and self-reliance is a good life skill to teach. Wow. Ya’ll like to bash the preppers and those that see calamity around the corner and are ready to help their neighbors. Also, the excitement for things turning bad is not about being right, it’s about getting closer to the Millennium and the good stuff. We know we are going to have to go through some difficult times. This Porter guy seems like a real Aesopian Grasshopper. Mocking the hard work and effort of others while playing his fiddle.
It's good to be prepared, but some people get ridiculous about it. I've heard of people taking out loans to buy food storage because they're convinced things will collapse within a few months. Then when things DON'T collapse when they expected, they're stuck with a big debt and a mountain of food that will probably go bad before they can use it. That's the kind of thing he's talking about here.
I feel he’s way off on some things and too convinced of his own interpretations while being judgemental of those who don’t agree with him. I wouldn’t enjoy a trip with him.
Ok. You’re missing out on a wealth of knowledge just because you don’t agree with him on something?
@ I will get my knowledge from other sources that I trust and from whom I feel the Holy Ghost affirming truth. Maybe as his friend, why don’t you encourage him to read these comments. He’s gone off on the wrong track. Not just this video but others, too.
I’ll stick with Bruce. Thanks.
PS. I’m not an avid “prepper” ( I have enough of the essentials), not a fan of Ezra’s Eagle theories, don’t adhere to any extreme group ideas, never read Visions of Glory or anything like it. This isn’t coming from a place of being defensive of those kinds of beliefs. I just feel he’s insensitive and close minded about what others may be experiencing and feeling. And how they choose to prepare.
I don't feel like I got a single scrap of useful info from Bruce Porter during this particular conversation. However, I know the guy reasonably well. He's an awesome dude and a blast to be around. He has a wealth of knowledge that most can enjoy immensely. He will be the very first to tell you (and he literally does tell people) that you don't need to believe or agree with anything he says. I've never seen him react in a judgmental way toward someone who doesn't agree with him. Not even a tiny bit.
Thanks for these messages today. This has helped me to understand what I need to do today.
Bruce is hard to understand. If I give to charity it’s a tax break. However, if I think of charity it’s a character trait. I get the sense that arrogance plays a big role in the way he gives advice.
I love that you are doing tours of Egypt. There is so much there that very few know anything about. Do any of you read hieroglyphics like Nibley did? Is anyone able to read the Pyramid texts and take it down 5 levels like Joseph Smith did with his alphabet in interpretation of thought? Has anyone written a program to teach hieroglyphics that is now taught in the Near East in Arab universities? Has anyone written material on the temple nature of Facsimile #2? Or written material on the Facsimiles that coordinates with Hugh Nibley?
When we talk about Zion, and the establishment of the city of Zion, that President McKay assigned Alvin R. Dyer to do, has anyone presented that study to the Quorum of the Twelve on assignment from Elder Dyer?
What’s really interesting, is the man who has done all these things is ignored by BYU and the academics, but was loved by Hugh Nibley. He lives, and has a wealth of knowledge. I have written to you about him, Greg, and I was disappointed to see you ignore him.
Who is this person?
@ Wow, thirteen kids. I believe he and his wife only had 9. You will find out soon. I think you might know him, since you asked.