How Old Is Cancer?
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- How OLD is cancer? I couldn’t fit this into my longer video about cancer treatment, but it’s fascinating.
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Reading an ancient language that says "there is no treatment" is the building blocks of a good horror film
Genius
That would be an awesome movie
This sort of reminded me of the film “Knowing” when they found “E E”
Actually that’s a good point
I felt the chills when she said that
"there is no treatment" sent shivers down my spine
Gess the spooky scary skeletons arent as spooky as cancer.
Hopefully crisper can solve these problems
@@kevinwoodrobotics😂😂😂😂 i had heard crisper when i was 10
@@AryaTasunayes symptoms of cancer
We still don't have a treatment, because what we called a treatment is not a treatment, it's an unbearable punishment which killed my father.
"there is no treatment" gotta be the scariest shit 💀
In spanish Vademecum from the early XX century they said to communicate the bad news to the family and pray for the patient's soul. Yup.
I GOT TB
still pretty much true today. palliative treatment maybe
@@The_guy_on_the_interneti mean, technically speaking there are multiple treatments for different cancers 🤷🤷
Like Rabies, if not vaccinated on time, there's no cure
The doctor recognising there is no treatments is actually really smart. Most doctors of the time would come up with crazy theories that had no evidence
Yes.. the first part of solving a problem is realizing there is a problem
There's no cure (yet) for them so they keep looking
Yeah but in ancient Egypt you’d probably be killed for lying about that stuff.
@@chillie5241 which is good (for the patient and society in general)
I mean it's pretty obvious your treatments don't work when that huge lump on your neck is still.. there..
Tbh anything came up with at that time would be crazy. People had no concept of microorganisms or anything. Everything was about religious and spiritual beliefs. Like at the time, stuff like the miasma theory and humorism invented by hippocrates could be seen as genius
Cancer in and of itself is just a cell mutation that causes unregulated cell division, so cancer would probably be about as old as multicellular organisms are.
Only partially correct. It is a mutation that causes unregulated division AND the system to keep these cells in check in the body, apoptosis, also failed. Cancer cells happen often, they usually blow themselves up.
@@Nick-hi9gx yes I know I'm just saying that because of its origin it's going to naturally be very ancient
I study this subject. It's obviously more complicated. You have genes that repair DNA (caretaker genes), genes that inhibit proliferation of cells (gatekeepers or better known as tumor suppressor genes) and you have genes that promote cell proliferation (proto-oncogenes).
@@steffighter144 Yeah, but the point that was being made is that cancer is inherent to the existence of multicellular organisms and therefore cancer existed whenever multicellular organisms existed.
@@steffighter144 ok here's your star point
I think the larger contributor here is the fact that it’s really difficult to detect cancer without access to modern knowledge and technology
if that’s the case, the egyptian’s technology at the time must have been incredibly impressive!!
edit: quote *at the time* people
@@wolfieolfie tbh, they were incredibly impressive in a way.
Even if it's not the case here.
Exactly, most cancer is not visible from outside your body. Back then you didn’t have a doctor that X-rayed you and told you what was wrong. If you had pain in your chest you had pain in your chest and that was it. If it killed you then it killed you.
@@wolfieolfienah, probably just being able to see/feel tumors
@@wolfieolfie really difficult \= impossible, we’re talking about statistics here
Average age wasn't 35, unless you include child mortality
If you live to ~10, you can make it to your 60's
exactly when i look at old cemetaries and do the math those people lived nice old ages from 1910s to 1980s 1900 to late 1970s
now while this isnt an exact science if i were to aggregate the date from more old cemtaries and have a data set in the thousands or 10s of thousands i think the trend of removing preteens out the data set would show how long the mortality rate hasnt really changed much.
so many pediatric diseases and infant diseases and complications that we are just like wild life cubs. Kids just are easier to die off. for animals is a prey picking off the weakest in the pack. for humans kids just have weaker immunities or have less judgement skills or so many other vulnerabilites that make them extremely skew the mortality rate to a younger age.
as such you MUST both mortality rates with AND without young kids.
It was still a lot lower than today regardless
I was going to say this exactly. I've given you a thumbs up instead.
Or wars, which artificially made men die young.
Now you can easily make it to your 80s. He point is still relevant
Lost many important people in my life to cancer. I hope one day we find a cure.
There probably is a cure.
(((Certain people))) with small hats and big noses are just unlikely going to allow this cure to be within reach of all pf their slaves.
It is too lucrative and "fun" for them to extort people while they painfully die.
It has a natural cure. You can help people around you if you want.
@@Leil2221Let me guess, essential oils? Vaccines are bad for you? Lets throw that the earth is flat in there also. Oh and lets not forget about jesus, jesus heals cancer if you believe hard enough!
@@Leil2221your right T-Cells fight and eliminate cancer cells
Depends on the type of cancer. We are closer to solving some than we are to others. The only constant for treatment is eating less sugar.
I had cancer and beat it when I was 13 and it’s been 10 years since I have. So I’m thankful for modern cancer treatments
🙌🏻 so happy for your recovery
im glad that you are better
kid cancer is another thing since infant mortality is the factor to consider with that same style of thinking.
its also probably why parents had more kids back then compared to now.... idk just some things to think about
Where are you from ?
That's awesome brother. Stay blessed and healthy always.
So happy for you!
We’ve also observed dinosaur bones with telltale signs of cancer- pretty amazing to think of it in that time scale.
cancer most likely began when animals began to evolve. as it’s basically a bunch of cells that go haywire and think they’re their own organism, i could see it being wayyyyy older than the dinosaurs.
Yt drunk cause it say one reply but there is nothing here?? 😊
@@Ghost_King108 i commented! idk why it doesn’t show, basically i was just saying that cancer is probably way older than dinos even because it’s basically just a cell mutation that makes them go haywire and think they’re their own organism
@@jimjimsaucecould you elaborate? I’m sorry, I didn’t really understand that part about the cell mutation and going haywire
@@rosacade-cancer is just cells mutating and doing mitosis until you get tumor sobits probably old as multi celled life itself
I’m a university student, and we learned about cancer treatments pre-anaesthesia - I’m pretty sure me and every other person in the room was like “yeah no, I’ll just die thanks”
Look up Chinese papers on microblasts of salt & hot peppers to kill cancerous tumors. Cancer is curable. Or you can shut off a specific sugar molecule and then it no longer wants to replicate.
I’m sorry to ask this at the risk of looking silly but I need to know more/ understand what you mean… can you pretty pls explain what you said?
What are “cancer treatments pre-anesthesia”?
I think he meant before pain killers. Surgery will no numbing agent.
@YoSpongebob it means cutting you open while you are conscious so you can feel everything
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Everyone here dwelling on “There is no treatment”, but it’s “Most people didn’t live long enough to get cancer” that gets me.
I was diagnosed at 14 & was paralyzed from the waist down & told I might never walk again. I’m so thankful for chemo, radiation & surgery that saved my life. I’m living on borrowed time & should’ve died many times over! I suffer from severe nerve pain/CRPS pain thanks to the tumor attaching itself to my spine. Thankfully I can walk with a cane now, over 20 years later. Cancer sucks!
So glad to hear you're still here . If you don't mind me asking what were your beginning symptoms?
You are a Warrior!
Keep fighting the fight, never let it beat you, live life to the fullest in honor to our great God Jehovah
@@Team920_ Ask anything you’d like, I don’t mind at all. I had hurt my back 2 years prior, slipped disc. It got better and than I was bounced off a trampoline & it started hurting again. It was getting worse and worse, my legs felt like they were on fire, only at night. Dr’s said it was “growing pains” & I was missing a lot of school bc I was up all night in awful pain so I had to sleep during the day when I wasn’t in pain. Finally my Mom demanded they give me an MRI & she would pay for it out of pocket if nothing showed. (Insurance said they wouldn’t pay for an MRI when the X-ray didn’t show anything.) The MRI is when they called and told my parents to get me to a children’s hospital, which was 1 and a half hours away from home, ASAP. Turns out I had a tumor growing on my spinal cord and it was pushing on the nerves that worked my legs. As soon as I walked into the hospital, my legs gave out and that was the last time I was able to walk for a long time. I needed to have emergency decompression surgery, and I came out paralyzed from the waist down. Typically the type of cancer I had, Ewing sarcoma, goes to an arm or leg and they amputate because it’s such a fast growing cancer. Bc I had an injured back, it went to the weakest spot, my spine.They can’t really amputate a spine so I did a year of chemo, a month of radiation, and a couple of surgeries.
The sad truth is I had been sent to a spinal specialist and he said it was just growing pains. I was sent to Physical therapy 3 different times, with no relief. Then they sent me to a chiropractor, which made it worse. So insurance had no problem paying for all that, but when it came to an MRI, they kept denying it. Makes me wonder if i’d have been paralyzed if they had skipped all that bs and just given me a damn MRI from the beginning. If we caught it earlier, would I still be disabled and living in excruciating pain on a daily basis. I try not to think that way as it’s not helpful and only makes me angry.
@@ericfine325 Thank you! I try.😜
Thank you Natalie Portman for telling us about the history of cancer
Looks like a mix between Keira Knightyley and Natalie portman
I can't unsee it now
😂😂😂😂😂
@@huskydadtokoda😂😂😂😂
omg im not the only one thinking this.
Thats the issue with alot of mental illnesses today and people saying "its just a trend these things never used to exist". They've always existed, we just never had the means or ressources to diagnose it
I read something from Scotland in the 1700’s basically describing what could be considered depression in a man who’s wife had died.
“ he stopped eating, he didn’t visit his friends, he cloistered himself in his room. His wife had recently died.”
Also, we have stranger mental health because we have more _abstract_ problems than earlier civilizations.
We stress about multi-year investments, 30-year mortgages and student loans. Most people in history stressed about a physical army or plague or crop failure, that they could see or touch. They could judge exactly how big their problems were, but we tend to overestimate our abstract problems and k*ll ourselves.
@@LowestofheDead we also have a radically different relationship with our duties over time than people used to. like the separation between shit to worry about and shit to enjoy yourself is rly terribly deprecated in modern life
This is so off topic. Is it necessary to bring that typa shit in everything??
@@LowestofheDeadstress is stress no matter what you stress about. Humans have struggled for a long time
It's frightening how many people think that when we discovered and described it is the same as when cancer first happened.
I caught myself doing that with surveys of towns the other day; not the same, I know, but I was thinking the town existed as surveyed on the. map by the government surveyor when it's just a wish list of town sites. Nothing existed like that at all; the roads, the house spaces the public parks. I slapped my self!!
@@ValeriePallaorowish list of the cites? Like the plan?
No, what some people think is that cancer is way more common now than in ancient times.
This is exactly why increased use of seatbelts is linked to higher rates of cancer deaths
vaxactly....
not really, correlation doesnt mean causation
@@gregkerna7410did you not get the joke?
@@gregkerna7410 linked to doesn't mean causation, too.
@@gregkerna7410 Exactly. People can't die of cancer if they die in a car crash first.
The 35 age expectancy is brought down by extreme child mortality
If you make it past 10, you'll probably live to your 60's
There were lots of diseases, like small pox, TB, cholera. Which didn't care what age you are.
@@hemanthkumar5438 and?
That would only reinforce that average age being 35 is due to extreme child mortality
True. If you throw out infant mortality data, our forefathers lived almost as long as us. All our gains from modern medicine are erased by our unhealthy modern lifestyle.
@@mws73 Daltem is right but you're wrong. Check the stats. You can even see the life expectancy at 60 or 65 keep on increasing those past decades (albeit at a decreasing speed).
@@babelbabel2419 that’s misinterpreting data. Infant and child mortality was so prevalent until modern times that it was the majority of human deaths in all of history. If you disregard all deaths under age ten the average life expectancy of the Bronze Age was like 55. Similar numbers pop up across different periods
We found cancer in dinosaur bones
It took way to long to find someone who knew this
I’m pretty sure cancer has always been around, you just usually died before it got to ya
This gives me a chilling thought: once we can consistently treat cancer, heart disease, and other major causes of death… what new or rare illnesses will we uncover or make prevalent?
i wonder how many cancer cases got ruled down to "curses" from radioactive "cursed" items
Logically, cancer should be as old as life itself
Edit: well, multicellular life
Exacly
Was just about to mention this.
To sum it up, Cancer is just your own cells deciding to break away from the Whole that is you and work on their own.
The video's question was a peculiar one, and so to pinpoint the exact age: Baby Earth. (Approximately billion years ago)
Yeah because we have found dinosaurs fossils with cancerous tumors
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrimliterally cellular traitors/rebels
people weren't dying at 35, the child mortality rate was just much higher which brought down the average lifespan. if you did reach to adulthood you had a decent chance of living to 60. still not great but better than how you made it seem.
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35 is a bit low, but i don't think many ppl were reaching 60s , atleast in my country....mid 40s is what was common as it seems, then obviously there those 2-3 who would live up to 90-100 & then somehow it'll get spread as everyone who lived had a really looong & beautiful life...
@@blue_whale_in_the_space About 60-65 seems average where I live until 1800s
True about high mortality rates for the
@@wavavoom i was thinking more recently than ancient greeks, the medieval and pre-antibiotic modern periods still had much better medicine than the greeks or romans whose medicine basically consisted of burning offerings to hope you got better lol
If you're wondering... we know dinosaurs suffered from various cancers, which is pretty fascinating.
Well yeah cancer is as ancient as complex life itself
Cancer isn't an external disease. Cancer is your own cells going rogue . Also, cancer cells are immortal and can always perfectly replicate themselves. So apparently, the key to immortality is figuring out how cancer cells telomeres dont fray when they replicate.
In dogs, dog cancer can spread to other dogs through smelling of dog genitalia from what ive heard.
Cancer can be an external transmisable disease. Canine Transmissible Venereal Tumor is a cancer that spreads between dogs through the transfer of living cancer cells, primarily during mating. One of the most remarkable aspects of CTV tumors is that their cells are those of the original dog (in which the cancer arose thousands of years ago), and not the carrier dog.
Cancer can be caused by external factors
@@hertrueself wild imagine that but with humans, shit could be crazy
@@klow4491 it's still your own cells
"external factors" are simply things that trigger mutation within YOUR cells (biggest example is the sun vs skin cancer)
Technically cancer is as old as the first multicellular organism with tissue specialization because that’s the minimum requirement for a tumor to be problematic. So probably 1-2 billion years ago whenever that evolution happened
probably less years ago; it probably happened a very long time after the development of specialised tissue organisms
Plants don't get cancer and neither do sponges 🧽.
Yeah but it may not have been a problem at all. plants can live for thousands of years without dying or getting sick from cancer
A few people are pickup up on the "died by 35" thing, so I just wanna point out: That's the trouble with talking about average life spans and life expectancy odds - you're both right! The average of *all* human lifespans of the time *was* 35, which is relevant and true for the topic of most people not living long enough to get cancer and a useful way to phrase it when time is short. But it is also true and relevant that you look at life expectancy by breaking it down into the averages for each age group, each one having it's own odds of survival, the odds increasing as you move past each milestone. Super-high mortality rate in infancy, lower in childhood, lower again in adolescence... But explaining that takes more time, and RUclips Shorts is a time-limited format.
I'm sure, judging by her past work, that Cleo understands this and is just using the easiest-to-understand way of phrasing so a broader audience can get the point on this topic. But I think you folks have commented here because there is that common misconception that the average means most people died by 35, instead of that being the average skewed by deaths at early age. It would be cool to see Cleo do a Short on how life expectancy is measured, so more people understand that people did live to old age in the Ancient world - it's just that infant mortality and other causes skewed the average.
I should have edited before posting, I repeated myself a little there.
Yeah, it's just not something simple enough to encompass in a single number. Infant mortality has dropped a lot. So have many other causes of death. Then you have to factor in the amount of violence in your area, like are wars common there. But I think any single factor, in isolation, will show that people are much more likely to make it to old age now, and that once people have made it that far, modern medicine is helping them to make it even longer.
Umm no, she's dumb. You are assuming she's not dumb but she is. This short proved it.
@@LoveLearnShareGrow You can compare life expectancy at an age, for example the life expectancy of an 18 year old in Britain was in their low 60s in the early 1800s, mid 60s in late 1800s, low 70s by mid 1900s, and late 70s to early 80s now
They are correct AVERAGE life expectancy is not relevant to this discussion and she should not have brought it up. And the way she brought it up does imply that she does not understand the statistic. I like where she goes after explaining and showing a graph of cause death per year. The way she used it implies that most people died at around 30, when half dyed close to zero and half died close to 60 middle-aged death was only common during war or natural disaster. Life expectancy has gone up but plenty of people lived long enough to get cancer. they just had other diseases that we couldn't treat killing them at the same time, And cancer is harder to detect.
Call it bad editing too if you want but if she understood the statistics I don't know why she wouldn't use the correct graph.
She doesn't know everything and neither do you or I.
Average life span was low because child mortality was high. People who made it out of childhood lived past their 30s. Average life span is very misunderstood.
True, but maybe you could still make the argument that the people who did make it to adulthood are healthier fitter folks less likely to get cancer?
that being said, it kinda works in this case, because those babies didn’t get cancer 🤷🏻♀️
@@rhiannonm8132 yet again the babies dying so much skewed the results.
True enough but people still have higher possibility of dying of something else, infection, food poisoning, cold winter.
@@chrisj1319no that’s a far fetched assumption. i think they most likely didn’t encounter anything that killed them. it’s not like they survived typhus and the plague and where thus „stronger“. it was more pure luck to not have had anything deadly before.
Also diagnosing internal diseases was insanely difficult until less than a century ago. Even posthumously, as the church vehemently banned dissection and autopsy
Thats what i was thinking! That people have always died of the same stuff, but without a ct scan or someone who knew what they were doing during an autopsy, an embolism or brain tumor would just look like "natural causes" or age!
The Church - at least the Cathoclic Church, which is what I assume you mean by it - did NOT forbid autopsies. It's a common myth.
Hippocrates (460-375 BC) had several references to cancer in his documentation. He realized that growing tumors mainly afflict the adults [7]. Also, the nomenclature of oncology is built upon his comparison of tumoral growths with a moving crab, which led to the generation of scientific terms such as cancer (a non-healing malignant ulcer) and carcinoma (a malignant tumor) [8]. He theorized that an imbalance in body humor, i.e. blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile instigates diseases [7] and that excess black bile is responsible for the development of cancer [9]. The humoral theory, which considered cancer a general disease, was the standard of medical practice through centuries because autopsies were banned due to religious prohibitions and also because its theoretical nature would leave no questions unanswered [10]. Galen (131 - 200 AD), one of the undoubtedly most influential physicians for many centuries, adopted the humoral theory but believed that the black bile was responsible for incurable cancer, whereas thin bile was related to curable cancer [11]. Throughout the Islamic Golden Age (7th to 14th century), prominent Muslim Persian and Arab scholars penned about cancer in their writings [9]. Al Zahrawi (936-1013 AD) was the first to distinguish between acute kidney inflammation and kidney cancer [9]. Cancer was assumed to have a difficult treatment, which could be probably successful only if performed at an early stage and also if the tumor was accessible, small-sized, and not adjacent to major organs for the possibility of surgical removal. Ibn Sina (980-1037 AD), known as Avicenna in the west, was one of the leading pioneers of medical science in the Islamic Golden Age [12]. He clarifies his surgical approach to early removal of a tumoral growth in his eminent work “Al-Qanun-fi-al-Tibb” (The Canon of Medicine): “All diseased tissue should be removed with radical excision, which could utilize amputation and removal of veins surrounding the growth, or catheterization if necessary” [9]
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You can take a screenshot, or three.
That's the only way I've figured out how to do it.
Thanks for the lesson. It was fascinating.
Wikipedia?
imagine the other things that might pop up once we find a cure for cancer
Those other things pop bcz we expand our lifespan right? So people would live happily to 100 yrs old before those other things pop
@@elvisedison1741 I don't think there's any good in extending life past 100. It's just sad seeing people in their 70s and 80s struggle with each breath they take
Not really or they would've already popped up, unless heart disease is an actual slow mutiplying virus. Other than that maybe rare diseases.
@@bespokepenguin103no it's not it makes me so happy
Oh no. It will be worse than cancer. Think about it. Those diseases we vac against were quick deaths. Cancer is slow death. Next Phase is "agony lived with."
Average lifespan of 35 did NOT mean people became 30-40. It meant that loads and loads of babies died which drove the average lifespan down. People lived up to 50-60 even back then
I do believe that cancer would be EXTREMELY old. Like thousands and millions of years back. Since cancer is just cell production issues, it would go wayy back
I'm quite convinced it is. The oldest finding of cancer was in a 77 mio year old dinosaur bone - and I'm sure cancer existing long before that.
Throughout all of human history, we mostly had no understanding of why people died because we had no idea how we stayed alive. Something to do with air, water and food. But people could also just feel a pain and die.
Cleo, you are the best at explaining things! Thank You
Please keep appearing on timeline everyday thanks
Life expectancy from the 12th to 19th century, excluding child mortality, was about 55, so just at the beginning of the jump in odds of getting cancer. People were still fairly likely to die before the odds of cancer increased drastically.
That said, I feel like there's a lot more to be said about the fact that cancer would have been nigh impossible to detect in the first place. There may be some cancers that have increased in the modern age, but carcinogens and genetic problems didn't spontaneously appear in the mid 19th century. They had no modern machinery. Surgery was almost a death sentence in itself. Even autopsies were considered pretty taboo until the 19th century. In many cases, cancer would likely have been attributed to something else without a visual tumor. Even for a visible tumor, it would have been difficult to impossible in many cases to tell cancer had actually metastasized and thus was the cause of death. Also, our archaeological record isn't great because many cancers start in soft tissue and aren't identifiable from skeletons alone.
That hieroglyph saying there is no treatment is chilling
They haven’t deciphered meaning accurately. No one knows their language
In the documentary Uranium -- Twisting the Dragon's Tail, it shows aboriginal radiation warnings signs paint in areas of uranium deposits. The painting show disfigurements to warn others to stay away. The disfigurements would have been cancerous growths.
"there is no treatment" man!! that was probably devastating news for someone so many years ago...
We've had cancer as long as we've had cells, it's a thing we have always lived and died with, now there are treatments we van use to stop it in many cases
Early stage Cancer isn't an end all anymore if you get the right medicine
"how old is cancer" i would say as old as life itself.
An Oncologist & Paleontologist teamed up to determine a dinosaur bone showed evidence it had bone cancer before it died.
cancer is absolutely older than all human history like because of what cancer is it's probably been around since multicellular life has.
Infact cancer is just when cells in a multi cellular organisms start evolveing separately from the rest and begin Replicating out of control because of damage to an original cell
No it's not 'just' that
@@willwrite3675 your right there are lots of other things cancer does but it wouldn't do that if it wasn't replicating out of control or being a problem if it wasn't out of control its just rapid cell growth and if it doesn't begin to evolve to survive the immune system it won't live long enough to become cancer and be harmful those are fundamental but I do get your point its not just that simple it will do other things
You make a valid point. Cancer can't kill you if you starve to death or get eaten by a lion.
😂😂😂
People back then had a lot more to worry about than cancer, it's just that cancer became widespread due to multiple factors such as eradicating other diseases or improvements in medicine
I think two things can be true at once:
Yes, people died of other stuff leaving certain cancers undiagnosed and hidden.
But we also have exposure to a carcinogenic substance’s daily: many of which are found in our food, water, and body care products. We frequently consume and are exposed to stuff that most of our ancestors never came into contact with.
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It’s estimated that nearly all cancers are multifactorial; meaning that there is a genetic predisposition but environmental factors are what ultimately initiate the disease.
Our tap water commonly contains lead, arsenic, nitrates and nitrites, glyphosate and other known carcinogens (cancer causing agents).
The average human consumes over a liter of glyphosate (pesticide) every year.
There are many carcinogens added to common foods as flavors / flavors enhancers, colors, fillers, preservatives and other additives. Processed foods are a great example of food to avoid. Many people consume foods with high levels of theses substances as their primarily source of nutrients which will lead to cancer at some point in their lifetime.
Most of these factors are much more modern implementations. We did not live like this the majority of human history.
It’s important to do your research, and limit exposure where you can.
Edit: removed double phrasing
Beatiful woman
@@bellashiloh6210 While people today (Industrial Revolution till present, let's say that) have been in contact with more carcinogens, people in the past still had them. Lead and arsenic are some of the oldest examples of toxic materials commonly used in early civilizations.
@@bellashiloh6210 food fear mongering app
@@synckar6380 while lead and arsenic are good examples. They were really only introduced to society a couple thousand years ago. I think like 100 bc. That in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of years that humans have been around. She brought up how we don’t see cancer on ancient people, that’s why.
I could literally listen to you talk forever. You get me excited about things I never thought of. Keep up the good work.
Happy 60th birthday. You now qualify for high cancer risk. Congratulations. 🎉🎉
Unless you have really shitty genetics
This video is the sanity I needed
Your enthusiasm is what makes this much more interesting.
And the other thing
@@brentkaufman1723 lol, it’s what made me click on the video. But not what made me watch it to the end.
I think it’s also a factor that you had to be pretty hearty in general to survive back then, nowadays with the wonders of modern medicine, people who are born with a weak constitution can survive for much longer than they would have, and as such they might have a higher chance of developing cancer, plus a lot of cancers aren’t exactly visible, so someone could die & the cause would’ve been unknown
Cancer is just the next shonen anime villain we have to fight w/ the power of friendship and teamwork that was lurking here the whole time.
Oddly enough, Monsanto is a perfect example of why we see more cancer today than we did 100 years ago.
On the one hand, the chemicals they use to kill pests and other stuff causes a LOT of disease after prolonged exposure.
On the other hand, if it weren’t for massive improvements in agribusiness like Monsanto, millions of people would never live to be old enough to HAVE long term exposure to anything. You can’t die from Glyphosate-induced cancer at age 55 if you dies from starvation at age six…
Just an observation. They are far from perfect and there is certainly room for improvement, but without them, a LOT of us wouldn’t be here to bitch about them.
I have to add that infectious disease was the primary cause of death until the 50's. If that goes down, other conditions have to go up given we all have to die from something.
Also, I don't believe people realise how unlikely a cancer diagnosis was without the technology that we have today. My grandmother died from ovarian cancer in the 60s, she was first diagnosed with indigestion, which then became appendicitis and was only revealed to have cancer when they found her tumours in surgery... no signs of an appendix problem. If it was her left ovary everyone would have though she died of indigestion or something similar. According to my grandfather's death certificate, he died from a cough!
@@liatm3042 yep.
So you would rather live a drawn out painful life or a short, good life 🤔
I am delighted and definitely heading to the extended version on this topic
It’s like unlocking a new difficulty irl
60 or older u say? (Laughs in child hood cancer)
Always the exception
higher risk doesn't mean you're safe before that
Yeep
Well, yeah, I would always have assumed that cancer had existed for as long as we have, but they just didn't have a name for it and didn't know what it was
It's a common misunderstanding that "average lifespan is 35" means most people passed away shortly after reaching that age, this is not the case. The average lifespan for humans in pre-modern times was largely influenced by an insanely high infant mortality rate.
Damn, pneumonia doing some work back in the 20's
Good old dust bowl
Cancer is old as mutual cellular beings
Absolutely. So many people in the past would have died from cancer without knowing what it was.
My uncle had stage 4 bowl cancer about 4 years ago when he got to the hospital he was told to get his shit and money prepared and was told he had 2 weeks to live
4 years later and over 1.2millon pounds of chemotherapy he is getting his staples remove in two weeks after his last surgery
Also I live in England so it didn’t cost 1.2mil
Fun fact: we have found dinosaur bones with cancerous tumors
Meanwhile my great grandfather lived for 100 years in a village
Meanwhile mine started a business to buy a mountain 12 years later only to have it revoked a month in by the government itself w/ no refunds
I just subscribed. Her voice is so soothing, she's easy to listen to and smart
Average intelligence
True, she used to narrate Vox videos.
As a pediatric cancer advocate I thank you for this video 💛
A lot of people don’t even understand how cancer comes around, so for anyone who doesn’t allow me to explain.
Some Cancer comes from an overgrowth of cells in one area known as a tumor and the problem is mostly that these cells continue to multiply, (because of a mutation in the cell division or replication process) so there is no end to this. That is why people get surgeries to have these tumors removed. But sometimes in more dangerous cases the cancer can be harder to get rid of. This depends on exactly what kind of cancer it is. Sometimes in these dangerous cases, the surgery could leave one cell behind with this mutation and another tumor could sprout. Which is why some with breast cancer for example just get their breasts cut off. My cheer coach had this done and she got implants after, she is very happy with them. (Close family friend)
But yeah hopefully that helps anyone who needed that!
Cancer is also just getting more common due to environmental pollutants.
It may be getting more common because of pollution and dumb life decisions (smoking for example) but it is definitely nothing new.
Until recently, we knew so little about the human body that it probably just went undiagnosed.
This makes me so happy, someday we will cure cancer completely
I have been to a cancer hospital a couple of times and I have seen the patients closely and the loved ones crying after death, it is so painful to watch, some day we will cure it
cancer still remains a death sentence for most people unfortunately
Not most, just a large portion. Most cancers have a positive survival rate, its just not anywhere near as high as other diseases.
No that highly depends on where the cancer is
The mortality rate of cancer has plummeted dramatically these last few decades due to better treatments and the access to early screannings not to mention vaccination for HPV. Guess you've been living under a rock during these past years.
this video reminded me of the ancient dog ass cancer. one dog had cancer that somehow became contagious, so it is technically now a single celled breed of dog, and while i think it’s rare, is still around today! sci show made a great video about it
And fighting cancer is about to get a whole lot easier when AOH 1996 is done with human trails. For anyone unaware, there's finally a "cancer pill" and it's called AOH 1996. It's in the human trials stage right now
Was it the one with 12 out of 12 patients being cured?
I wish I had this instead of chemo and radiation. Those things scar you for a lifetime.
Second photo at the start is crazy
"A bulging mass in the breast”-cool, hard, dense as a hemat fruit, and spreading insidiously under the skin-could hardly be a more vivid description of breast cancer. Every case in the papyrus was followed by a concise discussion of treatments, even if only palliative: milk poured through the ears of neurosurgical patients, poultices for wounds, balms for burns. But with case forty-five, Imhotep fell atypically silent. Under the section titled “Therapy,” he offered only a single sentence: “There is none. "
Emperor of all maladies .
We had to put my dog down 8 years ago because of cancer.
I discovered it too by a tumor in the mouth.
Still miss her sometimes such a good, loving , cuddling dog.
There will be a day soon when we will be able to cure cancer completely
people have actually or got close to and they get killed
Always fun,exciting and informative. Love your channel 😮
cancer is as old as cells
It's interesting to think of cancer as almost a modern privilege.
Worst take
Why is she so wonderful though
😂if only you kw
"As we solved the other things that were killing us" that sentence is awkwardly strong
I'd assume if you're starting to develop pain thousands of years ago, you just may not have thought of cancer, may not have had access to a doctor, may not have developed visible lumps, and may have just died.
Yep....good content and yes you're amazing!
My librarian said cancer is solved by oxygen and hospitals keep people sick for money.... Yeah I have been told to respect everyone's opinions (she also thinks birds are robots controlled by the govt.) And not call her insane.
How much does cancer make each year, google it
Fun Fact: The Birds are Robots conspiracy started as a jokey Experiment by some guy who didn't believe any of that and acted like people he grew up around with their theories.
Imagine having cancer and reading Egyptian scroll and it said no treatment their hearts probably stop beating for a sec
With how far we’ve gotten we should be able to eradicate and yet we can’t.
Because there are a billion different types of cancer and it starts internally. You can’t get a cancer vaccine. It doesn’t work like that
That's not how science works.
AI will solve this issue
It's a mutation in cell programming and production. You cannot eradicate it by normal means. Every baby's genetic structure would have to be altered prior conception.
It’s not a pathogen. You can eradicate pathogens. You can’t eradicate uncontrolled cellular mutation 😂 you can cut it out or damage all the cells in the area or identify genes that increase the risk, but the word “eradicate” only applies to diseases for which you have a known cure or method of prevention so effective that you eliminate every instance of that disease forever. Even polio has not been eradicated.
Also, “cancer” is a term that refers to a wide variety of conditions. So again, you can’t contract “cancer” because it’s not just one type of cancer you catch from a virus (yes viruses like HPV can lead to increased instances of things like cervical cancer, but that’s not the point) and develop a vaccine for and distribute to everyone in the world and now nobody will get any type of cancer ever again 😂
Edit: it’s the same reason we haven’t got a cure for the “common cold” as so many people love to bring up
She always smiles regardless of her topic. Cancer is not a joyful topic. Modern toxins from a myriad of products and food preservatives have been proven to cause cancer.
This is literally all the proof I need that the internet is spying on us, my aunts dog just got cancer last Wednesday and is going to have surgery on Thursday I hope everything goes well 🤞
my girlfriend was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer yesterday💀maybe we are being spied on
My best RUclipsr right now
You couldn't fit this in your long form video but you could fit it in a 1 minute short?
Thank you for the Info, Natalie Portman
I think it was rarer in neolithic people since they didn't eat crappy stuff
Studying cancer and really looking into what the doctors and nurses do is fascinating, the only thing is being a cancer patient is not. The whole treatment and shit was traumatizing and hopefully I stay motivated to pursue my education and become a Hemo Onco to help those who will go through what I did two years back.
Why i love her ?
Cause she’s a cutie
Because she's cute AND smart (not that common in a woman)
Simp
@@giovanniquargentan6198 lmao, more common in women than men.
@@commiedog425 mmh, i guess I've been around the wrong men and the wrong women
My mom completed her twelfth and final chemo last week. We celebrated and are so happy for her 🎉❤
Info aside, ur energy is so positive.
Story, Before I start can I say this is random but I need to vent to someone?
Story: Most of my family has died of cancer and its been hard for me, the hardest thing was when my nanny/nana died. Even though she was old she was my best friend. And then my Aunt died, it was hard as well, I had known her really really well. There are lots of people in my family to explain what happened but its too much to explain and read
My mother actually just beat cancer a few months ago, those were the hardest 8 months my family has ever experienced.