Line 6 POD HD500 vs HELIX LT #1 | Same basic settings - different tones

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

Комментарии • 143

  • @samwarden9432
    @samwarden9432 7 лет назад +84

    The Helix definitely sounds like it would fit better into a mix but, personally, I preferred the sound out of the POD500. Just sounded nicer to my ears

    • @Rickf_ohe
      @Rickf_ohe 2 года назад

      I see what you mean hahahahah even though I prefer the helix sound cuz its cleaner, as a modern djenter I prefer a cleaner sound, I can see why you prefer the pod sound

  • @doomguy1430
    @doomguy1430 7 лет назад +81

    I'm a simple man.
    I saw a 'pokemon' battle thumbnail and liked!

  • @markjohnson9306
    @markjohnson9306 5 лет назад +16

    For those craving better IR’s for your POD HD, just drop a Mooer Radar in the output of the POD and you are golden!

    • @vaibhavjoshi9141
      @vaibhavjoshi9141 5 лет назад

      I recently organised a gig here & ALL the bands had guitarists using the Zoom G3 with either an amp or direct.
      One of them was using a Zoom G3 again but with Mooer Radar, direct.
      I think this just makes the unit really usable. With cab sims, budget units were not acceptable till recent times. More expensive & most probably better is a Torpedo Cab Sim but the Radar makes sense with the POD.
      I have a borrowed HD400 unit with me along with my own pedals. The sound is very shrill, even a cheap analog pedal sounds better than the amp modelling but the FXssss.

    • @rhitosparsha
      @rhitosparsha 5 лет назад +1

      @@vaibhavjoshi9141 Agreed, the Radar is great! Considering picking one up for my X3 Live.

    • @vaibhavjoshi9141
      @vaibhavjoshi9141 5 лет назад

      ​@@rhitosparsha I was talking to someone on The Gear Page just yesterday & with all the hype around the Helix, he told me the POD sounds nice except the cab simulation.
      If you can use a CAB M or a Mooer Radar, I think it can take it to the next level.
      And you need something like that for silent playing at night too.

    • @andreasrickert8590
      @andreasrickert8590 4 года назад

      I own the radar and boss gt1. I am completely satidfied. Even if pod may sound better.

    • @rhitosparsha
      @rhitosparsha 4 года назад +1

      @@andreasrickert8590 My bandmate has a Boss GT-100, and we were struggling to get a great metal sound out of it. He got the Mooer Radar and the improvement was HUGE! It's just so much easier now to get a great tone.

  • @SimonMeunier
    @SimonMeunier 7 лет назад +7

    I have the 500X and the Helix Rack myself.
    And this is obvious ! The dynamic, the feel, the life, the quality of preamps (and cabs especialy dual cab on the helix buuuuut is use IR) is improved by 1000% for sure !

    • @maxlotte
      @maxlotte 6 лет назад

      Simon Medz Man is the rack different than the pedal " live " version ?

    • @rhitosparsha
      @rhitosparsha 6 лет назад +1

      +Maxime Cnt Form-factor wise yes, tonewise no.

  • @Andyw1228
    @Andyw1228 3 года назад +7

    The core sound is very similar and the main difference in my opinion is difference in cab simulation. I bet you could tinker with the 500 and add some highs and they would sound nearly indistinguishable....

  • @DwayneCreates
    @DwayneCreates 6 лет назад +8

    Preset 1: Pod HD500 (all riffs, sounded so much better). The Helix sounded really weak and thin.
    Preset 2: Helix had a nicer crunch and won entire round for me.
    Preset 3: The HD500 won, the Helix sounded thing again.
    Funnily enough I seem to have picked the HD500 in two out of the three presets you played. I own the 500x and I am able to get some amazing tones out of it, it can be hard to dial-in a nice tone, but with a little elbow grease nobody can tell the difference between a HD500 or real amp in most blindfold tests or if you're playing live (like I have, nobody can tell).
    As you say so yourself, they're both incomparable. But there is no disputing that the HD500 is much better for its price. In Australia, the Helix LT is around $1800 AUD. The HD500x is about $700 AUD, so the Helix LT is double the price here. And while the low-end might sound better on the Helix, you can easily EQ the HD500 to sound amazing and if you're recording and mixing, you're doing that anyway.

  • @Dampfwalzi
    @Dampfwalzi 7 лет назад +1

    Interesting comparison. The helix will fit better in the mix with these settings. But at the end everything is about eq and I am really excited for the next videos to see how it compares. I will have one soon;)

  • @massimo.pericolo.w
    @massimo.pericolo.w 7 лет назад +2

    I LOVE the thumbnail for this video. Also, they both sound incredible IMO.

  • @psysolipsist
    @psysolipsist 7 лет назад +27

    In todays music world though, with enough dialing, you can make the hd sound better than the helix. You can also make the helix sound better than the hd. The differences are subjective. The helix doesn't sound better, it sounds different. I have a pod hd hooked straight into a pa, with a tone that can make a 5150 or a dual rec sound like dirt old tech. Live, and in a mix. Amp modelling is like the "does size matter" question. It really is all about how you use it. Also my live rig is only about 550 bucks. And its ready to go. The price of the helix alone negates its practicality. Especially when someone with a pod hd can play beside you with a helix and no one can tell who is playing what. Its worth it if you have the money, but its not necessary at all. if you want a rig 1,200 bucks cheaper than everyone else, that CAN sound better if you know what you're doing.... POD!!!!

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  7 лет назад +7

      And therefore I've been using only an HD500 on stage when I played with my band ;)

    • @aarongrimwood6594
      @aarongrimwood6594 7 лет назад +1

      Used the hd500x on many a stage, always sounded better than other bands with even boutique valve amps when in small venues, if the monitoring is okay that is... If the venues big enough/bands loud enough then valves are more fun definitely!

    • @markclinebell7671
      @markclinebell7671 6 лет назад

      I agree that they both sound different! That being said, I prefer the gritty sound of the 500 rather than the (smoothish?) sound of the helix. Both units deliver, it's just a matter of what type of sound you are after. I play blues and the grittiness of the sound the 500 delivers would work better for me.

  • @Aaronsmith467
    @Aaronsmith467 7 лет назад +3

    It sounds like that permanent layer of mud I could never get rid of in the HD is gone in the Helix. The helix seems to have much more clarity and note definition to my ears, very noticeable in your Soldano preset from 2:12 to 2:31. The palm mutes sound very natural. Fantastic video!

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  7 лет назад

      Exactly, there's that weird "frequency cloud" on the HD how I like to call it, that no EQ is able to take out because it's all over the place. It's just unnatural.

  • @RokDAWG1
    @RokDAWG1 7 лет назад +2

    Nice job!
    I'm sure that the HD500 can get a little closer in sound overall with some eq work, but the bottom line still stands as you've shown, the Helix is much more advanced.

  • @masterlifeandlove6757
    @masterlifeandlove6757 6 лет назад

    Im glad i found this again. Been thinkin about it. Those pod sounds can be eq out or bbe sonic stomp but the helix floor has many features i cant avoid. Mays well save

  • @SwainBjornstrandt
    @SwainBjornstrandt 6 лет назад

    Goddamn man. Awesome vid and awesome tones from the helix! I love these types of vids. Great job!

  • @nisoldi
    @nisoldi 7 лет назад

    Another great video. Always wondered about this, drastic different in tones IMO. Wild.

  • @isatariq7533
    @isatariq7533 7 лет назад

    Though the helix sounds much more natural and real to my ears, both actually sound really good in their own way. Awesome video bro

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  7 лет назад +1

      Yeah to be completely honest, neither of the units sound particularly good or band in this comparison I must admit. The Helix may sound thinner, but in my ears more natural (it has some of that amp fizz and crispyness) and if you'd have to integrate the POD sound into a mix, I bet you'd have to do a lot of EQing. Especially that lowend rumble has always been a problem I think.

  • @rockkstah2550
    @rockkstah2550 4 года назад +5

    I have a helix as well as HD500x, in the band mix during live show, no one would be able to tell nor anyone cares, I’m able to get killer sounds with both without using external IR’s, I’ve also rotated them both depending on the gig schedule and they both sound and feel fantastic, sound/tone at band dynamics and depending on style is very subjective...

  • @robcarter6599
    @robcarter6599 5 лет назад +1

    1st, great playing! 2nd, this is SO useful! I’ve always hated how amp sims sound muffled or like the tone is rolled off on your guitar. Your demo showed me that is solved on the helix. Great job and thank you!

  • @Adam_T
    @Adam_T 6 лет назад +1

    PEQ will give the HD500 matching clarity surely . What I`m hearing here regarding this issue is the different way the EQ is setup for each amp model

  • @JackstandJohnny
    @JackstandJohnny 6 лет назад +2

    To me the Helix just sounds much brighter and more tinny. Im sure both can be made to sound identical with some tweaking. Ive noticed my HD500X is more dark and boomy/closed in especially thru my Orange TH30 and V30 cab but it can easily be corrected and tweaked.

  • @abimaelmartell
    @abimaelmartell 7 лет назад

    Awesome comparison, i ended up getting the Helix for the ease of use, and the new stuff coming up, but the HD500x sounds great for the price.

  • @MatthijsvandenHoven
    @MatthijsvandenHoven 5 лет назад +2

    Damn, I'm so glad I returned my helix.

  • @russellpfohl8787
    @russellpfohl8787 7 лет назад

    Some really cool riffs in this video!

  • @ezwanrosli772
    @ezwanrosli772 7 лет назад +3

    Please do Line 6 POD HD500 + Mooer Radar!

  • @machmachine
    @machmachine 7 лет назад

    Sick riffs bro! Great tones too!

  • @stoltobot
    @stoltobot 6 лет назад +1

    More harmonic density and clarity up the high end of the spectrum in the Helix but I'm not necessarily sure I like it any more just hearing them by themselves. The Helix probably stands out a lot more in a mix though, I'm sure.

  • @Jymius
    @Jymius 3 года назад

    Sold my hd500x and start using helix native. Really hard to compare them in mix. But the felling is way more better with helix. Hd500x doing job in FX loop and sounds great. But finally start enjoying of playing on headphones.

  • @nfcava7302
    @nfcava7302 7 лет назад +16

    maybe you should try to match the eq, that is obviously different even if the knobs settings are the same.

    • @back2backband1
      @back2backband1 4 года назад

      I Just said that as well.

    • @KulishovAleksei
      @KulishovAleksei 3 года назад

      Конечно! Такое чувство, что Хеликс просто более верхастый

  • @hotman718
    @hotman718 3 года назад

    The Pod is warmer but lacks almost any natural high end. Helix has a broader range of frequencies. Pod sounded a bit scooped. If the sizzling high end is too much you can always EQ it out. On the Pod you can't really add more high end if it's not there to begin with.

  • @podhditalia
    @podhditalia 7 лет назад +4

    if anything, the helix sure solved the inexisting top end problem!

  • @mattsorsson5380
    @mattsorsson5380 7 лет назад +4

    dude, just missclicked the slow button at 0.5 speed - you sound as if you were completely drunk lol ^^
    offtops aside - can't wait for your "amp simulation only" comparison - I was about to buy HD500X but now when you demo'ed the Helix LT I seriously think about saving some more money to get one.
    Cheers!

  • @rgbplumbinghilton
    @rgbplumbinghilton 4 года назад +3

    The 500 could match the helix with a tweak of the eq.
    The helix sounds thin and brittle but that is what would sit in a recorded mix well.
    They both do a great job and the 500 is a bargain on the used market now so budget is a factor for lots.
    For less that £400 you can buy a headrush FRFR and a pod 500hd and have a great gigging kit. Who can say that isn't a bargain?!!

  • @hermano.8118
    @hermano.8118 7 лет назад +10

    Hd 500 sounds better and I don’t own one. So I’d buy the hd500 period.

  • @Infernalmetal06
    @Infernalmetal06 7 лет назад +11

    With the mooer radar or mooer GE200 coming up, it will at least level the playing field... Please do compare each other using the same cab impulses to see if its really worth shelling out $1000 for the helix

  • @DigitalDistortedGuitars
    @DigitalDistortedGuitars 3 года назад +1

    Do you use real amp + real mic to record units? Or recorded Usb from both units+ cab simulator/ external recorder unit

  • @kmfdm5
    @kmfdm5 4 года назад +1

    I would say Pod is the best if you're a rhythm guitarist. Helix for lead. The pod sounds fuller, accentuates low dynamics more, sounds warm af. I would think it were a tube amp if i didn't know it was an emulator. The helix sounds just as warm, but the sound is thinner. However what it lacks in meaty substance, it more than makes up for with a clean tone especially at high gain. all in all, it just depends on the situation or you

  • @geoffreymerrifield5666
    @geoffreymerrifield5666 6 лет назад

    Great video. Great playing. Prefer the Helix in every demo. People still commenting on Fizz... ridonkulous

  • @gauravlama2079
    @gauravlama2079 4 года назад

    Would love to watch your Review on Helix and Fractal audio Ax8... and give us your thoughts on which one sounds and feels better in terms of dynamic response and which one would you pick up if u had to choose one

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  4 года назад

      I would love to but it's really hard to get my hands on an AX8...

    • @gauravlama2079
      @gauravlama2079 4 года назад

      @@MilianMalivukMusic Why so?? Not mant users there bro?

  • @rhitosparsha
    @rhitosparsha 7 лет назад +1

    Hey dude! Did you take down your HD500 vs X3 Pro video? Can't seem to find it.

  • @nazmulshihab7613
    @nazmulshihab7613 5 лет назад +1

    Pod hd500 vs mooer please

  • @jcaryali
    @jcaryali 6 лет назад

    TODAY, WOULD YOU PREFER, HELIX LT, HD500X OR HEADRUSH? WHY?

  • @simonchesney3911
    @simonchesney3911 4 года назад

    Sorry if you get this question a lot, but what amp modeler/ amp did you use in the intro? It is exactly the type of tone i have been going for. If i were to give it a guess, I would say the pod x3.
    I really hope so. Your videos are the main reason i still have mine pod x3 despite "upgrading" to the pod HD500x, and then the axe fxII

  • @jdevpmo1346
    @jdevpmo1346 5 лет назад

    I have hd500x. In this video we can hear different sound, but it's to different to say which is better.

  • @ryanhalliwell6671
    @ryanhalliwell6671 5 лет назад

    Honestly like the pod better but tone is such an ennndleeesss. And minute fickle and intricate thing

  • @vejichan
    @vejichan 6 лет назад

    What speakers are amplifying them with?

  • @ConstantineM
    @ConstantineM Год назад

    With new cabs Helix sounds even better

  • @niranjanrkumar
    @niranjanrkumar 5 лет назад

    awesome!!! can you please share the presets for the hd500?

  • @AdhiFebrian
    @AdhiFebrian 7 лет назад +2

    crazy riff bruh

  • @JiTiAr35
    @JiTiAr35 7 лет назад

    Seymour Duncan 805 vs OD808 vs Helix Scream 808 please.

  • @peterendevolste5304
    @peterendevolste5304 6 лет назад

    my vote for hd500 ... sounds so much better to me here

  • @ClaudioRusso
    @ClaudioRusso 7 лет назад

    can you share the helix presets?

  • @robertcuff5704
    @robertcuff5704 7 лет назад +14

    So the Helix is tighter, clears and also more fizzy too...

    • @robertcuff5704
      @robertcuff5704 6 лет назад

      Im looking into buying a helix and using it with a real cab, so alot of the problems i have with the tone you think would be gone??

  • @hakanates1188
    @hakanates1188 7 лет назад

    awesome comparison helix's cab impulses sounded a little sculpted to me. i mean they are missing a little bit of bottom.but still i think helix would won in the mix.

  • @kevinwhite6172
    @kevinwhite6172 7 лет назад +9

    The helix just has more high end.

  • @30_second_guitar
    @30_second_guitar 4 года назад

    I still have X3 live and sound awesome but there is 2 things what annoying me. Cabs sound bad. When i use this for recording i just recod this without cab and change them in DAW. And there is no looper and i like to improvise with looper. If i have money i would buy Helix but i thing you can achive great tones with unit like HD500 or X3

  • @Axiom145
    @Axiom145 7 лет назад

    Ich finde der POD hat immer ein bisschen so geklungen als ob man eine Decke über den Speaker gelegt hat. Der Helix klingt crispier und Schärfer wenn das Sinn macht mit mehr presence

  • @Fritolays01
    @Fritolays01 3 года назад

    I have an hd500. I prefer the sound of the helix here, but I think only because I find my 500 to be completely lacking in high-end

  • @SuperBriandamage
    @SuperBriandamage 6 лет назад

    The Helix Amp models were more trebly..brighter..but if you eq the HD 500 brighter maybe they would sound closer.

  • @BillHesse
    @BillHesse 6 лет назад +2

    I actually hated the HD500X. I went back to a PODxt for my beloved spinal puppet. The HD just had a boxy sound I couldn’t EQ out. Effects were good however.

  • @michallandrum2764
    @michallandrum2764 7 лет назад

    awesome i like the helix

  • @skyburial9017
    @skyburial9017 5 лет назад

    Better lows with 500x but more presence and clarity with Helix

  • @StAegidius
    @StAegidius 6 лет назад

    Naturally, you can hear the difference. But is it possible to get the same tone on the Pod HD 500X by yousing an EQ as effect?

  • @Nate-pz1rf
    @Nate-pz1rf 4 года назад

    Why so much more treble on Helix?

  • @fret2fret221
    @fret2fret221 4 года назад

    The mid and treble sound like it’s turned way up on the helix. Just by default. Sounds like your sag is turned up. The strings sound floppy and squishy.

  • @ostankovalex1176
    @ostankovalex1176 7 лет назад +1

    It's useless to compare them with the identical settings. Back in the day, Line 6 claimed, that they made the knobs on the amp/preamp settings to behave the same as on the original ones, so they should drastically vary from how settings changes affect the sound of HD500.

  • @jcdelacruzdrums4044
    @jcdelacruzdrums4044 5 лет назад

    Can the patches that have been designed to the helix be installed and used on the pod hd 500x?

    • @Fritolays01
      @Fritolays01 3 года назад

      I know I'm late, but no, they cannot

  • @robbiefellows2200
    @robbiefellows2200 4 года назад

    The clarity was far better with the Helix. But whether it's a thousand pounds better, is a matter of opinion

  • @bernardclifford8708
    @bernardclifford8708 6 лет назад

    Is the LT same size as HD 500 dimensions?

  • @linkinpark9281
    @linkinpark9281 6 лет назад

    Whats this guitar its fraking gorgeous??

  • @pauliusmscichauskas558
    @pauliusmscichauskas558 3 года назад

    Is it really the same cab sim? Because all Helix sounds are waaaay more mid present.

  • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
    @Bridging_the_Political_Divide Год назад

    One man's heaven is another man's hell. For me, HD won this easily.

  • @plsno420
    @plsno420 5 лет назад

    I liked preset 1 and 3 better on the POD than the Helix but preset 2 was better on the Helix

  • @Dunkelzeitgeist
    @Dunkelzeitgeist 7 лет назад

    Random note but at around 3:00 was really pretty

  • @peterworam9376
    @peterworam9376 6 лет назад

    Line 6 cabinet models have always sucked, at least for heavy/distorted guitar settings. I say this as an owner of multiple L6 products (Flextone, Vetta II, Spider IV and POD HD 500). The Flextone doesn't have programmable cab modeling. My Spider IV is one of the little practice amps and doesn't have it either. These are plug in and go amps that are relatively easy to get decent sounds out of. The Vetta II and the HD 500 are very difficult to get good sounding distortion and high gain sounds out of, in large part due to the lousy cab sims. It's like they finally got it in the ball park with Helix.

  • @jyun7360
    @jyun7360 7 лет назад +2

    They both not sounds right to my ear, don't know why.

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  7 лет назад

      They're not the prettiest sounds, but I wanted to just dial in the same (neutral) settings. I will go for the "best" tones on each unit in the next video!

  • @andreasrickert8590
    @andreasrickert8590 4 года назад +2

    I dont agree. I simply find the sound of pod 500 better

  • @back2backband1
    @back2backband1 4 года назад +1

    i also thought the hd500 sounded better the helix was nasaly

  • @jasonlebaron1864
    @jasonlebaron1864 2 года назад

    i honestly think the pod 500 first patch sounded better than the helix first patch. alot of the helix presets sound to bright in the 2k to 4 k and would make your mix tinny. My onion no hate

  • @rioguitarsstudio7886
    @rioguitarsstudio7886 4 года назад

    Thanks man, i think use POD HD500 than buy Helix

  • @ezer0923
    @ezer0923 7 лет назад

    Any news about a helix with just two signal paths? You know, a cheaper LT

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  7 лет назад

      Not that I knew... Would be cool though.
      Maybe the Mooer GE200 is the next micro Helix.

  • @richwags1189
    @richwags1189 7 лет назад

    I was wondering how you did the recording. Did you use the USB connection or did did you go threw a sound interface.

  • @AaronNGBnTech
    @AaronNGBnTech 4 года назад

    Best thumbnail ever xD

  • @metallion6881
    @metallion6881 6 лет назад

    Helix lt or Headrush?

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  6 лет назад

      Well I really have to try the Headrush! No one talks about it though...

  • @reueltei1013
    @reueltei1013 5 лет назад

    The track starting at 5:14 where can I get it 😭

    • @MilianMalivukMusic
      @MilianMalivukMusic  5 лет назад

      Reuel Tei It's "The Hidden Spot" by my project No Ostriches. Available on all platforms!

    • @reueltei1013
      @reueltei1013 5 лет назад

      Soulhenge wow thanks 🔥

  • @mukundverma7756
    @mukundverma7756 6 лет назад

    Those are double tracks right?

  • @jesusrivero4938
    @jesusrivero4938 6 лет назад

    Excente tu fondo 👍

  • @darkbells8015
    @darkbells8015 7 лет назад

    Well i still want the 500x, i can't buy the Helix, great video!

    • @ohshitnoty0u
      @ohshitnoty0u 7 лет назад

      Yeah same, I was going for the Helix but unfortunately it would take ages for me to save money for it and I really needed a floorboard unit for gigging with my band so I went for the HD500 and it sounds wonderful with my amp! The Helix is undoubtedly better, but in my case the HD is more than enough. Plus it sounds a lot better than my Eleven Rack, at least to my ears. It would take ages for me to get a decent tone out of it and with the HD it only took some hours to get really cool tones out of it. The only complaint I have about this unit is the lack of an on/off switch. And that I cannot make the Edit software work with High Sierra haha. Aside from that it was the best 260 euros I've spent!

  • @Carlsings
    @Carlsings 2 года назад

    Is it just me or could you simply add some treble or tweak the EQ a bit on the 500 patches and get about the same sound as the Helix is producing? Of course you're only using high gain crushing sounds that are purely subjective maybe as the player wants to hear it. I'd love to hear some varied sound comparisons.

  • @back2backband1
    @back2backband1 4 года назад

    if you could EQ them the same then you could get a better idea. but great video

  • @mido3ontheway
    @mido3ontheway 6 лет назад +1

    Lol the HD500 is basically just bottom end

  • @bluesman107
    @bluesman107 4 года назад

    Helix is too trebly but i imagine you can tweak it like the other, but if you can buy a helix just get a Kemper profiler stage

  • @vaiserious
    @vaiserious 5 лет назад +1

    Helix has a high freq fizz, unlike the hd500

  • @ubiquityofficial2536
    @ubiquityofficial2536 6 лет назад +1

    honestly, the hd 500 sounds way better

  • @heydarikeyvan
    @heydarikeyvan 6 лет назад

    the pod hd500x is not as bad as you said.

  • @h3lio5
    @h3lio5 7 лет назад

    4:30 onward: describes scientific and objective method to arrive at an optimal solution to tone chasing. Win.

  • @facundodinella8094
    @facundodinella8094 4 года назад

    The helix covered more frequencies, the pod kind of like miss a lot

  • @markjohnson9306
    @markjohnson9306 5 лет назад

    Hand fart @ 5:04! Lol!!

  • @micronesia3797
    @micronesia3797 6 лет назад

    There's so much more presence in the HD500. It sounds a little muffled, but that's an easy with with a slight EQ tweak. To me, the Helix sounds like tin can trash.

  • @irmaztamal21
    @irmaztamal21 6 лет назад

    1. Helix
    2. Pid HD500

  • @Viking_guitarist
    @Viking_guitarist 3 года назад

    There is too much hi end fizz on the helix the pod hd is more tamed tone