BRITAIN SUFFERS - Is This The WORST TOP TIER MBT?! - Challenger 3 TD MBT in War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The Challenger 3 (TD) has problems. Many problems. And that might be enough to make it the worst performing MBT at Top Tier in War Thunder. Or is there just a NEW WAY to play it??? Let's find out!
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The OES is based on the Chally 2 Megatron, but Gaijin decided not to give it its 1500bhp engine for some (british suffer) reason
Tbh I would be a bit mad if the premium OES was better than the tech tree TES.
I just wish TES had the 50 cal like the OES 🥲
@@croonchies Yeah true
@@adriencoudert1083 agreed, but the OES should have more horsepower, the TES is technically correct, still crap tho, should all be 1500 for balancing purposes.
@@croonchies gaijin are scamming people with the OES tbh
Top tier will always be biased towards Russia as a lot of the info is classified, so the devs use publicly available information. Thing is, Russia tends to overestimate their capabilities while NATO does the opposite
Gaijin made a british vehicle much worse than it should be? well shiver me timbers who woulda guessed.
or maybe... in rality it is just not that good?
i mean the hull is still the same as Challenger 2, including the automotive components and suspension etc
Just the turret gets an upgrade with more modern armor, gun and tech from Leo2A7.
It retains its flaws and problems of CR2, like the 1200hp engine, being drasticly overweight, questionable hull armor layout etc
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 The armour layout is classified, how could you possibly know that. People who worked on the challys said gaijin has it very wrong.
@@night_knight_ytb we have Fotos of open armor cavities of Cr2. We know the depth of the composite and the way it is layed out. What we don't know is the exact composition, but there are smart people around (material scientists and engineers), that can get a very close estimate based on what we know. Same with m1a2, leopard 2a4 and a6 etc. We know, down to about a 5-10% margin, what the armor can do. Same with ammunition. Weight, size, "composition" etc are known relatively well, so that we can calculate their performence relatively accurately.
The CR3 should be able to at least be mounted with the CR2 TES/OES on the hull as it is a CR2 hull.
Not for the turret tho, as the final product would have Rafael Israeli APS on top and back on the turret. Maybe we will see the "Tea Table"
As a Brit main this tank is a massive disappointment. This personally is a down grade. Better ammo means little when the other chally can still kill 3verything with its lesser round but has the external armour packages or even stripped down and APS and this is the only chally not getting the Spall liner in the turret so even less protection. This goes against every official statement on the chally 3 there is to the public.
Heatfs is broken. It should be completely defeated by air but it travels literally metres after detonation in game to still penetrate even composited armour. In addition slat armour doesn't work as intended. Slat armour while working as you mentioned will preferibly destroy the heatfs canister physicly so the reaction doesn't happen. It does this because the round will usually miss the slats and go between them but the girth of the heatfs cannister is more then the space in between the slats stopping the projectile and destroying the cannister without detonating the warhead. This bit doesn't work properly and acts like a solid sheet of metal.
its funny because 5 Months later this is still true and it just got nerfed to 1200hp
I think the Challenger 2 OES is the same concept as the Leopard 2 PSO - it's an upgrade kit for counter insurgency with the added armor and especially the radio signal jamming array on top of the turret to counter remote detonated IED's
I don’t get why gaijin hates the top tier British tanks, the challenger two won a competition in nato beating the German and Americans in 2023 proving its superior yet in the game it’s one of the worst top tier tank, also in real life it almost matches the Abram’s for speed
germany wasnt even present in the competition and the UK won vs Italys Ariete, polish PT-91´s etc.
Maybe the Challengers are just not good tanks in general?
What are you smoking? This is what happens when ur info comes from Russian bias video games.
The chally 2 is still one of the best tanks in the world with full armour on and maintained properly. It severely lacks APS sadly but it’s still a v v solid tank. The chally 3 will literally be solidly the best tank in production when it arrives fully.
One thing I disagree with is you comparing how it performs in game to how it may be in real life. Challenger 2s in Desert Storm in real life took many hits and shrugged it off, one was even hit with upwards of 70 RPG shots and shrugged it off and was back in the field within hours and the Challenger 3 has 2 generations of newer armour than that another instance in Desert Storm is when a Challenger 2 was completely immobilised and was barraged with anti tank missiles and RPGs for hours and the crew was completely fine and the tank was repaired and back in the field within hours aswell. What I think is stupid is that Gaijin is adding a tank that hasn't even been constructed yet and everything we've seen from the Challenger 3 in real life is just the L/55 A1 on a Challenger 2. It just seems like Gaijin doesn't really care about the Challenger 3 or 2 like the other MBTs but that might just be my British bias.
In real life Challenger 2 was immobilised by artilery and hit by Kornet ATGM, and burnet down...
@@Petkopanchovno tank track is immune to arty, no tank is immune to being hit in the side by an ATGM.
Your point is invalid.
@@Petkopanchov I find this funny, yet you dont seem to care about the THOUSANDS of Soviet tanks that met the same fate.
@@ThorSuzuki1 more soviet tanks fighting = more soviet tanks destroyed... less Challengers fighting = less Challengers destroyed... it's simple :)
@@Tuck-Shop I don't have a point... I stated fact.
Britain has one of if not the best MBT in the world meanwhile Gaijin just says "Nah". It won't surprise me if they also make the Typhoon awful
Challenger 3 is confirmed and in production for 2027. So it is coming unlike the 2S38
Ariete still takes cake for being the worst
Ironically, the prototype is absolutely exceptional.
@@tedparkinson2033 not so much anymore
@@mr.bamboozle3053 dunno, I enjoy playing it. Good turret armour in practice but not on paper, damn fine round for it's 120.
i can do well in it, but still almost nothing italy has is better than others at the same BR@@tedparkinson2033
kinda wish they would give the l28 round to some challys to give them that extra punch given that in game mobility is pretty much king.
L28 is just a tungsten L27 tho
@@sentinelxcix2526you’ll be amazed what tungsten can do for a tank shell!
(Unless you already know)
@@chrisbacon3071Tell us the penetration distance, especially for angles at distance.
L28A1 or L28A2 offer no advantage over L27A1. They are fired from 105MM guns for a start, which have lover muzzle velocity over the 120MM and less spalling. They are also made of tungsten, which is inferior for angled armour penetration to Depleted Uranium, which L27A1 is made from. However, L27A1 is heavily nerfed in game, and needs buffing significantly.
@@BARelement Right first I don't know them and if I did I probably couldn't tell you with out getting arrested, now you might be wondering "well why did you say, 'you’ll be amazed what tungsten can do for a tank shell! (Unless you already know)' then?" I said that because tungsten is one of the most dense metals on the planet, turning something that dense and heavy into a projectile will be fucking lethal to anything it hits. you could probably do the math and finger out the penetration on your own! (I won't though, I'm not smart enough for that.)
As a chall3td player I’ve actually had quite a bit of success with it, whilst the added speed is a nice touch and whilst yes trying to kill anything requires me dumping two to three rounds into a target for a confirmed kill, the tank in surprisingly quite survivable, that being said it no longer suffers from the usual gun breaching that the chall2 tends to suffer a lot from abs whilst it’s lower glasis could be better protected it’s not too terrible, that being said i usually dump all of my research points on loading speed along with the gunners range finding, allowing me to get a much better chance of a first hit kill, also I use the chall2 sight mod on my chall2f which basically gives it the actual gunners sight of the actual challenger2, plus it also cleans up my sight picture and doesn’t have that typical ranging levels that tend to get in the way.
the issue with the chally 3 TD is that they picked, well, the technology demonstrator. that is to say, the challenger 2 but with the german gun but nothing else, whereas the challenger 3 thats gonna be going into service at some point has an insane amount of new stuff to it
I think as we all know the uk keeps the armor specifications on the Challenger secret. And the main problem with that is gijin is not able to Make the challenger accurately modeled in terms of armor and speed (not sure why it isnt as fast as it should be in irl). This is why the challys get such a bad rep as for not having speed there SUPPOSED to make up for in armor and the armor isnt even effective as it should be.
“The worst top tier” bro has not heard of Italian toptier
The British tree should become a Commonwealth tree with Canadian Leo's and Australian Abrams .
The CR3 TD should have the 130mm gun that it did trials with
It shouldn't as CR2 130mm TD was a full Rhinematel concept tank
The one in the game is accurate to a picture of the CR3 TD, and first reveal, it's not the final product bare that in mind
The funny thing for me is that gaijin can only bring in prototypes of the best western tanks and has to bring in the best Russian tank currently in service to try and counter them. Considering that gaijin now has gone as far as they can into the modern day (they could add the leopard 2a8 but then the Russian players would all start complaining) this now means that to remain relevant, ww1 tanks will have to start making an appearance
Or they could, ya know, start fixing top tier a little. Challenger 2s, Leopards, Abrams are all so nerfed in so many ways it’s insane. And there’s still TONS of late Cold War stuff they could add, and prototypes too.
This latest update has severely impacted my willingness to continue playing the game.
The top tier Abrams has frontal hull armor that is underperforming by damned near 300mm estimated in the Lower Glacis (currently about 400mm, should be 700mm with what info is available to the public)
The side ERA is missing 50-70mm kinetic protection and about 200mm CE. While also failing to protect against tandem charges which is the primary point of the TUSK 2 package layering ARAT 2 on top of ARAT 1.
The junk on top of the tank has added three separate HE traps that will one tap the tank if hit by HE shells.
The Abrams is one of the very few MBTs to not get a spall liner in the latest wave of top tier MBTs getting them. This despite the fact every US MBT since the M60 has had spall liners IRL.
The M1A2 SEPV2 also never used M829A1 or M829A2. It entered service with M829A3. Which it obviously has not received.
Yeah, yeah I know there are other tanks that have it worse but that doesn't excuse how majorly the SEPV2's been shafted.
I ignored the incorrect hull armor when they introduced the M1A1 HC, I ignored it with the AIM, I ignored it with the M1A2, I ignored it with the base SEP...but now we're well into the 2000s tech-wise *with an armor package from 1979*
For those curious:
M1A1 HC, M1A1 AIM, and M1A2 are missing an estimated 150mm of KE hull protection.
The M1A2 SEP is missing 200-250mm KE protection in the lower glacis.
The M1A2 SEPV2, as I said before, is missing 300mm of KE in the lower hull among other issues.
The TD (Teddy) is pretty much a CR2 with the L/55 A1 and improved electronics, the prototype(s) are having new turret citadels produced so we don’t know what they’ll look like, how the ammo will be set out, etc. They’ll also be using new Farnham/Epsom armour and we don’t know what that’s going to look like either.
Teddy doesn’t use the improved composite armour either, which is why it has a weight of 62.5t instead of the 66t quoted for CR3 (66t being the combat weight, with CR2 having a combat weight of 64t before add-on).
The engine hp might be nerfed, it’s 1500hp currently but the demonstrator was used for LEP, the same project Black Night was developed for, while the engine upgrade was part of HAAIP and if there was an increase in HP the official top speed would likely have increased as well, as was the case with CR2E. It’s also unclear if the HAAIP will include the upgrade to 1500hp at all, so CR3 may be sticking with 1200hp (which is depressing)
"The TD (Teddy) is pretty much a CR2 with the L/55 A1" the regular CR2s also have L55 guns ... L55 , L44 or whathever L(number) means lenght of the barrel compared to the gun caliber, so saying L55 literally means nothing because it can mean multiple guns, so saying the TD is a CR2 with L55 is a wrong statement because the CR2s already have the L55
THE leopard commander of youtube is crazy, keep up the good work panzer paw
Still has more armor than the ariete with comparable mobility and a better gun, so no it’s not the worst top tier mbt
Imo the best chally is the Black night, followed by the 2E. The pen is enough for top tier imo and its got an advantage over the chally 3 in terms of reload speed. I think you should have compared it to the BN or 2E, they are both a lot faster than the OES (Especially the 2E ofc). I think you should make a dedicated video on the black night and its APS.
I hope they implement mines via stuff like Jeep driving around and planting them. Otherwise it will be another light tank gimmick they don’t really need.
Its not the final product and yes CR3 is going in to service in the next few years
realistify all the tanks and suddenly the T-90M becomes a pile of steaming horse shit
wow no way a tank from 2019 would be worse than the tanks which arent even in service yet? no fuckinng way.
thats like saying Tiger 2 would be worse than Centurion mk3 if both were realistic, because Tiger2 would suffer from poor quality armour and powertrain system breaking, while Cent Mk3 being a few years ahead. Of course a tank from the future is gonna be better.
@@petrkdn8224 no it's literally just because it's Russian... Russian tanks are the worst put together pieces of rolling scrap metal in the world that's why even thanks from the early 2000's are better and break down less
Chally3TD = less armour, slower or as slow, longer reload for shells that have more pen but fired at the *exact same weakspots* so you dont need more pen
* Mines aren´t a Thing in WT yet " Foreshadowing the World Domination Plans of the Evil Gaijilla Snail
Yeah somthing tells me that the real challenge has alot more armour on the gun mantlet than it dose in war thunder
The funny part of the T-90m is that we have pictures of frontal penetrated ones from the UKR - heck even videos of it, suposetly even from an At-4 (wich i kinda dont belive) yet somehow nothing seems to do that in War Thunder.
working as intended comrade! - Gaijin
What angle was the shot taken, did it have ERA, when did this happen, where did this happen, was this an abandoned tank, was it the drivers port, was it the main plate, LFP, or UFP. Did it go clean through, or did it dig into what’s called Ceramic plates which have several layers. The reason I ask those questions is bc ppl let their personal politics, and bias dictate their thoughts on the hobby which is tanking enthusiasm. Which really annoys me, and throws massive wrenches into things for folks who genuinely want to know things.
During all the conflicts going on right now, there is massive propaganda campaigns on each side, and we have to deal with the fog of war as it’s still on going. Nothing is for certain yet. So I’d refrain from making declarative statements that we aren’t sure for. Either way, morally I hope Ukraine wins, but overall I want ppl to stop letting their politics dictate entire facts, and outcomes in their minds. It rots the space of tank enthusiasm, gaming, etc and makes it a toxic cesspit of delusion, disinformation, and all kinds of malarkey.
Back in the day we used to reject that stuff, nowadays it’s more common place, and accepted as a “valid personality trait”.
L27 on Chally 2 OES is great round. Not best, but far from mid. By the way, could you try to bring FV4005 to top tier? When I chceked armor protection on some of newer MBTs, it didnt care about spall liners. T90M was penetrable even from 2 km away from front too. Only issue on it was hull, that was im-penetrable
This baby is now in production
are the devs ever going to make aussie severs
Had RUclips on in the background while doing some housework and this video came on and all I heard was the music so I thought it was a Skyrim video
I dont really see what's wrong with it, guns got to be useful, then I'm also assuming it has the same armour as the usual challenger? or maybe the downside is the giant circular box on top lol
The armour seems to be the issue. It gets penned very easily even compared to the Chally 2.
The downside is that it gets the Leo 2’s 6s ace reload instead of the 5s we’re used to on the L30A1 (though the M1s have 5s ace reload now so there’s a tiny chance it could be buffed in future)
It has worse armour. It's missing the combat at package armour add on and it has no Spall liner in the turret and so. E are saying the composite is performing worse but can't confirm that.
I love how you go into psychology, it's one of my second interests!
I have a question... When you were a tank commander, what did you and your crew call your tank (idk if tankers still do it but its just a question)
It was just over 10 years ago now. And we didn't really name the tanks just because we swapped around a lot for training.
I can't get the rangefinder to work when using this in a game; in fact, I can't get any RF to work with Challengers...
C3 is slow, 40MPH is the slowest, I am thankful for the DM53, but the long-distance targeting is a mess.
Hey man how are you? what do you think about South African tanks
I am only a war thunder britain tank players so i know alot irl of these tanks
Apparently the Challenger 3 will keep a rifled gun.
Last post I saw about confirmed the L55 so it's going smoothbore unless they changed their mind
i’ve just started playing…. 7 million GE…..
heyyy panzerpaw, i jus wanna ask if you could do a snowman opening video 🙏🙏🙏
worst？ nothing will ever beat the ariete AMV.
The test area is the same . I seen this since before the update
Can you make a vídeo of the leopard 2a7v vs the strv 122 ?
can you make a vid about how to play the T-34 series?
The leo 2a7v In dev server is the Smurf cat of tanks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This guy never touched the m1a2 sepv2, when he does hes about to suffer
Wait until you touch the mk4 merkavas. A 11.7 tank that can be penned from the front by dm33 almost every where except the thickest part of the turret. A tank that can penned from front to back by dm23. A tank with a slower reload than the Abraham. Also slower than the Abraham's. And also bigger than the Abraham making it hard to hide.
i just started WT today and i wonder what tech tree should i grind (i play F2P because i hate P2W)
how do you have 7 mil ge?
Hi can you try one of the hungarian tanks? Love your videos!
Bro this whole video is just a bunch of yappin ☠️
Russian bias is very real in War Thunder. 😂
In this channel we love the Leopard
Abrams Suffers...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can you play vtol vr?
KNOWING GAYJIN YES IT WILL BE WORST MBT IN THE GAME PROBABLY WEAKER THAN CROMWELL AND NEEDS PREDETERMINED TRAIN TRACK JUST TO TURN
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Jaaaa jaaaa jaaaa Grat my His cilling at 10.3 UK RN Withe the challi 1 and the bischma i dont wanna Play this Game anymore 🙂🙂
They should add at-mines.❤
Tank 👍
Its a game, made by Russians. Has no bearing on the real thing. Having not played for a few years im betting all T series tanks perform better than they have in real life 😂
Hello
U noodle xD
Truth is russian don't want to admit challythree in the combat situation is miles Infront of anything today.
And I'm talking the real world not a stupid russian run game 👍