The Only Feature that Makes Britain "Meta" - Challenger 2 Black Night - War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- With the Black Night being the "Second" best vehicle for the british, how well does it hold up in todays ever changing environment, even while still featuring the games best Hard Kill APS?
00:00 - What is this "feature"?
03:43 - Threading the Needle
08:06 - In Fear we trust
11:18 - The Final Stand
15:35 - You don't see me!
21:39 - As promised!
23:06 - The Conclusion.. For now
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All the Challenger 2s have a mobility bug relating to there turning performance, it really messes with them and makes them feel a lot slower than they should be. My bug report was accepted and passed to the devs not too long ago, hopefully in a few decades it will be fixed
Not a bug, just negligence from gaijin to add its regenative (?) Steering
@@Goddamndan200it’s literally a bug. We are talking neutral steering. It has a slower neutral steer than Cold War tanks. To turn the body of the tank at all it takes twice as long as other modern MBTs, including the first series of Challenger tanks.
I saw this reported prior to the challenger 2 TES being added to the game and it still isn't fixed, I wouldn't get your hopes up :(
Honestly, they are such slugs for no reason
Its not a bug, its one of the things nato tanks have that russian tanks dont, so they wont add it lol
Iron fist is incredibly powerful on big maps where it has time to intercept apfsds
But it couldn't even deal with the SU-25 missile. Gaijin are so annoying with their bias.
@@knowahnosenothing4862No, that SU-25 Missile was above the Iron Fist’s interception elevation. If any munition fires top down, the APS cannot intercept it. That scene made sense.
Really wish Gaijin would give the chally back all of the plates they took from the turret, used to be so fun angling the turret and being able to survive any hit
As somebody who has played a lot of top tier tanks the black night is by far my favourite. I think it’s a combination of how it takes a while to get to the battlefield which means it arrives at just the right time and can outreload almost everything
Agreed. Yeah t and Leclerc are my favorites. Challenger 2 platform is underrated. I disregard the stat card and it plays just fine
Outreload almost everything as long as you have a round in your massive 4-piece first stage ammo xD
But it's satisfying as hell when i can outreload russian bias
I really hope Britain gets Chally 3 at some point, cause it has a completly new turret (which means better armor) an L55 gun, and dispite it retaining the Chally 2 hull, that means its compatible with its addition armor kits, and some photos appear to have an additional composite screen on the upper front plate. It was also said it would recive APS, and a better engine, and electronics.
funny isn't it
@@sotch2184 very much
@@nikolasfoulger1127 I can say with full confidents that you did not see that coming (chally 3 is a worse tank with a better round).
Chally 2 breaches are bullet magnets. Even pointing your barrel at a chally 2 and the challies breach turns red.
Only takes a single 30mm so often really annoying. It doesn't seem right that the Challengers nearly 80 tons doesn't confer twice the armor of a T72 or T80 which are around 40-45 tons as it's nearly twice the weight of them. Where does all that value go? and differential hydrostatic steering! they make it drive like a bulldozer that locks a break on a track instead of moving power to the outside track.
@@knowahnosenothing4862 yes for being so much slower the chally 2 should be tougher as it also doesnt excel with its pen. Then it has something at least
Love that the best challenger after the 2E and BN is the 10.7 challenger just because it isn’t as heavy.
Honestly both Chally ones are so fun to play
Nowadays you they aren't as unique with Abrams reload buff but still a lot of fun
The really nice positive the Challengers get is that 5seconds reload from the first stage ammo rack. It almost makes up for the slow speed. If Gaijin increased the ready rack size or reduced the time to refill the ready rack it would be a much more solid plus to the vehicle that would offset the lower shell pen and lower mobility compared to other top tier MBT.
Agreed!
Justin's the only reason why i didnt quit playing britain honestly now am at top tier with them and i enjoy every bit of it.
Just got to the chally 1s have a 30% win rate in the mk 2 rn ☠️
@@damio6865 yeah the challengers are insanely difficult when you are stock but when you get the laser rangefinder your kill rate will (hopefully) go up by a lot
@@Rorywizz I’m positive in the mk2 and mk3 it’s just the teammates too many premium turms Leo 2 kvt and ztz players ya know
Gaijin won’t give Challys real attributes like proper armour and their best ammo - they’re too good
Not to mention Chobham is highly classified (and let it stay that way)
Challenger 2s have Dorchester an upgraded version of Chobham.😄 Also I agree, please let that info stay classified. Let other nations do the leaking lol
I kinda liked the "sabot loaded" line more than "armour piercing loaded"
No idea why that'd change
They always kill my small things
You have to try the Chieftan 10/Khalid. Thing, while having a slow reload, can brawl and surprisingly very survivable
chief is alright, khalid is not
Khalid has an engine. That reverse speed is a life saver.
have u tried it recently? after if got apfsds@@mirekspodmonopolowego9016
@@gaijinrecors9396 but it has no real strenghts, its mobility is slightly above average, armor is uneffective at that br, bad turret traverse, meh round with long-ish reload, no thermals. Most of my kills in the khalid are from sniping or flanking, but even then there are mbts that are more effective at both at the same time. It is simpy outclassed by everything it faces, it should go down to 9.0 so at least you dont face t-80b , Leo 2a4, m1
chief 10 is a bit garbage, but i feel even then people do it over alot. it can be alright tbf
fun fact the black night ap system blocks the shellss comming from an HSTVL salutations
Challenger TES Megatron, Black Night and Challenger 2E should have the L28A1 shell
Still bugs me that the Challengers lack good armor, they are some of the best NATO tank and the fact that this one is called Black Night instead of Black Knight, it has a much nicer ring to it and fits it perfecetly since it's Bri'i'sh oh and don't mind the lack of t cus they drank it, I'll see myself out now.
well, CR2 is quite well armored, but in comparison to Leopard 2 and M1 it really laggs 30 years behind.
and the overall layout of armor is a bit... questionable
The best thing they could have done to improve the Chally 2 is to give them proper fucking armour, or at least the closest they have to IRL one for balance reasons. Really, this thing is supposed to be the most armoured nato tank ever, but in the game the only thing with normal armour is the last place anyone is going to shoot that tank. I see people saying that Britain can be saved if gaijin releases Chally 3, but they're not going to do that. The Chally 3 hasn't even gone into production irl yet, and adding such an advanced tank means all the other countries have to get their newest and most expensive vehicles as well (T-14 Armata, Panther KF51, ect), which won't happen for a while. I am convinced that gaijin just hates Britain for personal reasons.
Exactly it has almost twice the Mass of the Russian machines but it isn't granted the protection or hydrostatic steering and still pays for it in speed. It's missing 2 parts of what it is.
a few points though:
1. Challenger 2 is NOT the best armored MBT in NATO, its armor is roughly similar to M1A2. Leopard 2 IS the best armored NATO MBT due to its Arrowhead applique armor and 3rd generation composite.
2. Cr2 has some serious real world issues in respect to armor layout and protection, mobility, firepower, optronics etc. The centermass weakspot for example. yes you are not sniping the drivers hatch, but with sovjet era MBT main gun precision, you aim at center mass. guess where the highest propability of the shot landing is...
3. Challenger 3 is NOT a super advanced and revolutionary system that overshadows the competiton. Challenger 3 is just a Challenger 2 upgraded to Leopard 2A7V standards from 2017, so it would play in the same league as a Leo2A7V or M1A2 SEPv3. (except mobility etc)
On longer range maps it’s an amazing tank, very nice optics for both gunner and commander, the APS gets enough time to intercept darts and the turret armor works prettt well if you just move around a bit and wiggle the turret and I find it to be the most survivable in a hull down position out of all the top tiers because it doesn’t need to deal with blowout panels not working since there’s nothing to explode in the turret itself
You always play exceptionally well when you play the Chally 2s. Bounced a decent amount of shots with your turret this video.
Dude, I have no idea why.. I only had one bad game too which is pretty rare o.o
Challenger 2 in reality is amongst the best MBTs on the planet. Wish that Gaijin would take note of that
It has no armour in game... I. Real life its one of the most heavily armoured tanks out there
I play this line up most of the time because it helps me become a better player mostly.
Only in the War Thunder fantasy world does SPAA successfully engage heavy armor. Their job is to shoot down aircraft. So no, they are just targets.
The stat card says it has 270mm turret front armor but it doesn't. So where does the 270 come from?
This tank is fun
Still one of the best tank names though.
1 thing good about the challes 2s are that they get apfsds stock
The British doctrine in Warthunder is that all of our tanks above 7.0 have weak lower plates, however almost impenetrable turrets. this was why the Chieftain was the best top tier tank back in the day, however gaijin hates Britain and has completely shafted all of our tanks. You can see the pain when a Brit leaked classified documents because of how BS Gaijin has made all of the challengers, when it should be the most armoured, (especially turret) tank in game 😒
If u play chally 2 right and are half ars at the game its fun and rewarding
I just got the Black Night and I really like it. If you play it you have to play slower than with the other tanks but if you‘re skilled with it you can make some awesome plays. The Black Night is a cool tank but I’m also happy that I got the T80UM2 in one of the past events. The faster and „Brainless“ playstile is refreshing if you played 100+ hours in slow tanks.
I love having 7 Challenger 2s in my line up at top tier. 4 are stripped down mobility tanks for big maps and 3 are the TES type for around town.
I have been surprised by the survivability as well as long as I don't get stupid with them.
Gajin hates the challengers if they were like how they are irl they would be the best armoured tank in game not to mention the shell should have 800mm of pen
Great vid justin! I would really like to see a rooivalk video :)
The round is weak in pen yes but damn that damage is something to make up for the 7 to 8 br sabots
"It's the worse top tier tank" gets 8 kills in the first game...
Now that we have multiple 2010s/2020s vehicles in game, I wonder if they'll add the 2021/22 Challenger 3 technology demonstrator, it would be the last hope for a British competitive top tier MBT
Hold on, why is there a BTR-80 and some 2S1's in the hanger background? Is that a new feature or a bug? 🤔
Yo, any chance u can take out swedish 10.3 ? really good with strv-121, finnish leo 2a4, cv-ct 105, cv90105, cv9040, lvkv 9040c, AJ-37 for CAS and J-35D for CAP
You finally played it, I knew you was going to play it after I asked you to revisit it
Thanks for the idea :D
Challenger 2 best looking MBT
The one top tier tank who has proven to be a beast irl is the worst in the game, some reason Gajoobles and the other tonk game hate the Brits.
It didn't really prove it's a beast, though, did it? Most Western tanks fought the equivalent of "mud people".
It was only a "beast" fighting insurgents with weapons from the 1970s.
It's only recently started to fight a fully mechanized military and it's doing eh.
@@IceAxe1940he's doing quite well actually
the challenger 2 how it is implemented in the game is a joke... the APS may be the best, but it often in my experience doesn't work against a lot of the Russian stuff like Vikurs, as any good pilot would just shoot 3 missiles at you and completely negate the APS. on top of that, you are the least manoeuvrable, you have awful armour even with the TES package, you have an awful round in both pen and spawling and its SLOW.. like really slow.
there are so many ways they could fix it, but choose not to. the engine is the base one (CV12-6A), not any of the later modifications that they made (CV12-7A, CV12-9A), even the Black Night is suppose to have the 9A engine which it does not have... but yet the Russian vehicles get their most modern even not used engines with upgrades, ie, the T72B3 gets a new engine with its ERA package that is barely in any of the vehicles RL on some reports.
the thermal netting on the 2F and TES not working sucks as well. why is it there if it doesn't work? IRL its called barracuda and it reduces the thermal signature.
the TES reportingly has a commander thermal, according to Bovington tank museum, which it doesn't have in game. and the TES and 2F should have a jamming station on top of them too, that's what the big plate is for, but it doesn't work.
the ammo layout inside the vehicle is completely wrong, and has been reported to the dev's and accepted.
They could add the L27a2 export rounds, for additional performance. Ironically, the Challenger 2 E, the export version of the vehicle doesn't have the export rounds.
The neutral steering needs fixing too. Its far far too sluggish and makes the vehicle slow down immensely, which is not how it should preform and has been reported to the dev's
its not even good at hull down... weak roof, and weak breach area... it just sucks.
there are SO many things that need fixing, or could be added but they just don't like the British. Britain ain't the only nation who suffer from it either. look at France and Italy. France still need OFL F2 among other things, the round the Leclerc's are suppose to use because OFL F1 was outdated by the time the Leclerc came into service. Italy need a major buff to their Ariete's too, because right now they are the worst MBT's by far. the Abrams still needs its modern rounds too because the SEP is using the M829a1 which is out of date in comparison to the vehicle.
my bias opinion now - I'm almost confident that, they just want to keep Russia at the top of the game at this point. no balance. hell, they want to add the T-90m at some point and the files already have parts for it. But hey, there's only so much they can add for Russia right?..
Russian tanks only need a napkin with some worlds written on it to be accepted while nato tans need years of documents just for the two clowns on the bugtracker to say its not reliable source. Russian vehicles will always get top tier stuff because gaijin is russian and they must comply with russian laws.
Preach it. I love the Chally 2's but they are so damn weak. TES should get the Megatron kit with a better engine and the Chally 2's should get a better round if they keep the mobility down.
I think probably the best comment on the issue and as a whole I’ve ever read, well said my friend
@@TheBoogeyMan002 i like how i posted this before they added the T-90m. Since i posted it, russia have gained 3 more top tier MBT’s, the t-90m, the t-80U-E1 and the Obj 292, while other nations got maybe 1 or 2. lets not mention the CAS aircraft they gained.
@@Neckstabba and they gave us the TES Megatron, without the upgraded engine. cause of course they did!
Honestly, I just wish they'd make it so what you just explained wouldn't happen through smokes. Defeats the purpose
Since when did the BTR 80 and 2s1 feature in the background of hanger?
Ive only seen Rooikat MTTD and T-90s
Hey Justin, do you have any plans for sharing your EQ settings?
Love the content, keep it up!
Nope! Is sekrit :D
Why did my paten go up to 11.3 but the ka is still at 11 hmmmmmm I wonder why
Bro Briton was my first tier I started at…still grinding after 2 years of taking a break lol
Lmao, your Blacknight luck was crazy haven't seen anyone else bounce that bounce shots. You should have the roolivalt video be #600
Can you do a video about the sho't kal gimel. It seems like a great tank
Possibly.. Can add it to the schedule, though it would be well after the major update drops!
those 3 hesh shells waiting to be used
Wow you are a good player. I want to buy the khalid during the sale to grind the beitish. Iam not a great tank player, but thanks to you I learned to listen to enemy tank engines more and now Iam actually pretty decent, got like 2+ kd with most of tanks, which still isnt great like you, but it is better then before. Iam mainly an airplane player
The l27 should go up to 700, a bug report for it was accepted
That's never going to happen
They need to remodel the armour maps for the challenger and leclerc family of tanks. Not only is there openly accessible information that such gaps in their armour don't exist, but Gaijin needs to use some common sense. Thinking a nation would spend billions developing a tank with huge flaws in the armour, is just mindless.
Gunna use the 3% for sure
If im not wrong its an UGCV, so they got it wrong adding crew. No?
This thing shouldn't be that good but i've had some really good luck in this tank, could just be because it forces you to play a bit safer but I really enjoy this tank
Can you Maybe do a Video on the Leo1A5 Aigan Someday?
Call me crazy but i dont why but the british chall does not realy like to spall from german dm53 " leo 2a6 ammo" i shot a chall from the side or at an angle and they dont realy like to spall
We just hate losing to the germans.
That's weird because I always get fucked whenever i get hit by a shell in the challengers
@@RafeMcCawley393 you think we dont hate to lose aganst britan ?
@@user-qv6gp4ux1l And here we thought you'd be used by now after the first two.
@@user-qv6gp4ux1l Well you never learned your lesson in the 20th century...
u suppose ya revisit the chieftain mk10, a few years have passed by the last video you made on that. I personally think they have gotten better even tho their speed is terrible, tank itself aint bad
About the armour... in real life it has "secret" armour and has proved in Ukraine that it is the most protected tank in the world. Also, not to mention... worlds longest confirmed kill? Yeah... world's best tank, period!
does it intercept losat missiles?
Not sure tbh, I would like to think so!
You should play with Estabon!
Just for you Justin ill use that code thingy
Just a small question is the birthday discount going to be on Xbox and PlayStation?
Yes. I play on Xbox and it is on for all players.
Idk if GB has the weakest top tier rounds
the french ones are a fair bit lighter and have marginally better pen with a slower reload than an aced challenger 2
A slower reload than the Challenger 2s... For 4 rounds, and the longest ready rack replenishment and only 4 rounds (on Chally).
In real life, there armour on the turret is actually over 800mm in thickness i lived in one of these back in my deployment
Why do you keep wiffing right as you shootnyou ruin half your own shots
Great awesome 😂
Hey Justin how did you manage to cap your fps at 144?
Vsync and my capture card limits it to 144 hard cap
Challies need buffs.
what sound mod do you use?
I dont use any o.o
@@JustinPlaysTV i see
Poor lecler, it has the 2nd worst round. Even though it has OFL-120-F2 with 640mm PEN. and even SHARD for SXXI with 670mm PEN....
black night very good
can they pls add an f 16 premium jet
Ps don't forget the reload
with the upcoming sale could anyone tell me if i should buy the t72 turms or 2s38
Get the T-72 first then the 2S38 because you will die a lot with only a light vehicle in your lineup
both plus bmp2m then you will have a decent Russian 10.0 lineup.
Usually yes but turms is cheese, almost every round is oneshot and even in the ufp everything pens you. Probably just doesnt suit my playstyle so i kinda hate it. I survive longer in the 2s38. If you are new buy rather the t55am, its much more fun and actually bounces pretty often, and also has a nice lineup
thanks@@MangoNOW
but the turms or 2s38 seems so cool and I am very new to tanks, also when I bought the a10 after few months of sucking at 10.0 I got better, so like wouldn't it be the same for the terms or 2s38@@dominikhrncirik6924
I still don't know how to get the blonde girl decal
Why doesn’t Gaijin allow console players the ability to use the content creator discount code?
Good to see Justin playing humble and with respect
you should do a vido on the SUB-II-I the 5.3 japanese SPAA. its kinda cracked
regardless of meta i think it's the coolest looking mbt.
These are just the most neglected series of tanks and it's really sad. They turn better and perform better (HESH) in real life.
First and it seems i was right, you indeed did plan a revisit XD
I agree the challengers really has nothing for it at all extremely horrific mobility,Bad pen,0 armor and almost always a oneshot if hit. Like why would you ever pick this vehicle over any other top tier mbt i only play them cause they look cool.
Of course a British vehicle which is good in real life will be bad in WT. The thing is though, at top tier the stupidity of russian, american and german players will usually negate the benefits their vehicles have over British, French, Japanese etc.
am i the only one who notice that they are russian vehicles in the background instead of brithis one??
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Those were the Bishmas, the new squadron T90S
@@JustinPlaysTV i mean there where the Bishmas, btr-80 and 2 2s1 in the background
Salve meu parceiro
Fatter than a merk, weaker than a bradley
Only way to deacribe this tank
How is that possible when it has nearly twice the mass of a Russian MBT? where are they hiding all that armor in the damage model?
This is what shit's me about Gaijin, it feels more like outright sabotage then negligence sometimes.
I'd prefer to be in a Challenger then an Ariete just saying....
Someone had a sip of something good tonight? 🍺;)
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I dont have any challenger 2 tank, but also dont want them. Gameplay/stats dont really appeal to me ^^
Well, what brought you to this video then?
@@JustinPlaysTVthats an easy one, i like watching your vids :D even if i dont want the vehicle you showcase myself, it can still be fun watching what you can do with it ^^
Wierd thing is the chally 2 has some of the best armour in the world yet in game it’s awful
The Games best hard kill?
4 Charges, T55 AT 8.3 has 8
Day 7 of asking Justin to play mid tier in wt
yummy
Giving an appalling tank one gimmic does not make it playable, it doesnt make it redeemable, it doesnt even make it respectable
You had to tell people to shoot centre mass on smoke. Very annoying.
I do it all the time, no point not sharing such tactic :D
cheese
Day 5 if asking Justin fir a set up tour
That far away, the setup isnt ready. I need more lights, and a couch in this office!
the only tank that is even close to meta is the challenger 2E. other than that, they don't have a ready rack with more than 4 rounds though on the chieftain has a worse ammo rack stowage than the challengers and get 17 shots compared to the stupid 4. which if you compare the two, ammo storages almost in the exact same spot as each other. most challengers have no speed. but this could be because I don't exactly have an Ace crew in one and can't utilize the tank to the fullest. but either way no speed. and the turret armor is nonexistent. there are two little 30mm nose blocks on the front of the turret you can send any round through. and just kill it. I really don't think it was modeled correctly, and I'm sure the armor put there in that 30mm is highly inaccurate and is probably composite. but there are only 3 vehicles that I would roughly say are meta in top tier. leopard 2 PSO, cause armor for days, and its turret is nearly invincible. bvm, because the developers think they are the best thing since sliced cheese, and the Japanese boys because no armor and sabots wont shatter, and a 4 second reload so their 1vX capability is incredible. the only thing that is meta from the British tree is their version of the Apache. I've seen people get 10+ kills with just Star streaks.
Heh heh. Dry for the channel. Just like their humor.