Find the fundraiser here: www.protectcreators.org/ Download Nightshade: nightshade.cs.uchicago.edu/ Nightshade All Night stream page: ruclips.net/user/live3XRgv8-lcQU?...
Haha noooo don't use Nightshade guys! That would be so detrimental to people that were just looking out for our worst interests, and this is how we repay them? Definitely don't go to the link in the description and easily install your own copy of-
For anyone using this keep in mind don't mention which ones or that you use nightshade in your art, that might make it a little easier for the programmers of the AI engine to use it as a point of reference to see how to counter it.
I'm confused why this is getting so much traction, a quick google and several proofs of defeating nightshade have already been published. Surely artists atleast have the technical know-how to look stuff up, or are they intentionally spreading misinformation?
@@ProtheanPrisoner i've done a couple quick googles and all i could find was Nightshade Antidote, which i did actually try to run as far as i can tell it's just a generic image forensics tool, it claims to detect image editing as opposed to anything nightshade-specific (i would've expected at least a neural image classifier) and i suspect it was written by a language model, given the redundant comments on every single line and the metadata function being subtly outdated and broken
@@hecko-yesI don't know about nightshade antidote, that seems unrelated. What I'm talking about is how nightshade actually functions. It has two attack vectors: mislabeling and VAE targeted noise poison. The first is useless, anyone that trains models doesn't use the raw tags anymore. That was best practice in 2022, now we use generated tags or manual ones. As for the VAE poison, that is very effective - against the base stable diffusion VAE. There are literally hundreds of different VAEs trained for different art styles (waifu diffusion has its own for anime) and it's trivial to train new ones (they are less than 15mb). Anyone, and I mean anyone, that is even slightly familiar with kohya will have no problem bypassing either glaze or nightshade.
No place for AI in art. You want to do art ? YOU LEARN ! I don't have time to learn medecine and I don't try to improvize myself as doctor with GPT. I don't steal your job, don't steal mine. There is no shortcut.
I've been reading and trying to educate myself a lot about LLM models, both for visual arts and other areas and even wrote my senior thesis on racial and sexist bias in AI models. I've listened to so much, and people say so much, but it always seems so simple to me. Art is about human intentionality. Everything from the most revered works in any field to the most mundane of illustrations or jingles involve human intentionality with the intent to communicate with other humans. It is a human pushing around the brush, strumming the guitar or constructing the sentences. AI "art" is an algorithmic response that tries to predict what you want to see or hear or read. It responds to a prompt and gives you a selection of choices based on that prompt, but there is no authorship because algorithms cannot author. Stochasim gives the illusion of novelty but in the end, they're always constricted to their training data. They're clever mimics but that's all they are, like a magic trick the more you understand how it works the less impressive it is. Going back to the ELIZA program experiments in the 1960's the tendency for us to imagine a human consciousness behind a plausibly human response to a prompt is normal. It's no different for visual arts. Seeing something that looks like it could be plausibly made by a human leads us to imagine an artist behind it, but there is no artist. There is only someone with some word prompts (who is likely incredibly lazy and wants the ego gratification of being an "artist" without putting in any work.) Having any idea, whether it's have a hoverboard flying across the sidewalk in a neon light cyberpunk city or give me a cute picture of a cat is just that, an idea. Art is in the creation, and during creation their are endless choices and actions made by the artist. This is probably why it's popular among AI enthusiasts to try and claim that humans are nothing more than "stochastic parrots," because if we are it elevates and legitimizes their computer programs to the divine, that is the human. Sadly computer programs are not metacognitive, cannot self reflect and are not capable of interacting with society as a human agent. They are doomed to churn out results based on their algorithm. It's that simple. Human intentionality versus algorithmic output. With a side order of cheap imitation attempts, like an ill fitting human skin suit. As for the industry however... What a shitshow. I really wish artists were better at organized resistance because whether you like it or not you've been at war for some time now. As the great philosophers the Wu-Tang Clan once said; Cash rules everything around me. I am not a graphic artist but I will continue to fight every way I know how, because a world where all of our "art" is simply an algorithm predicting what we want to see is a dystopia I don't want to live in.
Humanity literally going down a dystopian path because of the greedy companies exploiting other's hard work for free. This is all just sad and wouldn't happen if people respected each other.
Sounds like a cool idea! However, showing the un-nightshaded art submission on stream before applying nightshade might be risky, since AI systems can scrape the frames of the stream...
compression already gonna ruin nightshade and i scraping is not some targeted process, they wont hunt art from videos because its inefficient... they simply wont bother
If they're going to do whatever they want and say "the market called for it to be!" then we'll just find a market solution to this little pain in the neck stealing all the jobs.
Great news! Please tell me they’re gonna make web nightshade like they did with glaze. I made few attempts to shade my art with different densities and all of them turned out wrecked, like all black. My GPU memory is enough to run nightshade, so idk what’s wrong with my computer 😭
Certain models of cards, like I think it was the 1600 series for NVidia, have a bug that can cause that and there's no way for the team to fix it. But! They are going to put Nightshade on the web in a combined form with Glaze (because you should Nightshade first, then Glaze) as soon as they can. And it's also going to be a part of Cara at some point too! :)
Nightshade will always add noise, but it does sound like it's adding too much. Granted it's an adversarial attack method so maybe your style needs more noise than others. Granted, I don't think nightshade is all that effective, but in principle you should expect to see some light distortions.
It often feels like what everyone wants from me means nothing to me personally. And I'm being told that I shouldn't stay invisible...as if the only thing that ever matters in life is getting lots of followers and being payed for a disposable product. What people mean to say is that I don't matter to them. They just want to be entertained. They want to consume whatever I throw at them. I just think "let them have at it with A.I. They don't need me." This isn't me being self-defeating... I'm just so fed-up with the world.
Hey guys. I've been following Steven's and other videos about ai since last december... I have honest doubts and concerns about the effectiveness of Glaze, have no idea if nightshade is more effective, but I wanted to know. Is there a discord or telegram - or whatnot - group going on where artists are organized to talk about it? If there isn't , should we make one? If there is already, someone please point me to it. By the way, my name is Fernanda and I'm an working (kind of) employed digital artist from Brasil.
So far not that I know of, group or server-wise. I’ve been scouring subreddits to see the artists and tech discussions based around such programs. It provides an alternative means of insight from otherwise needing to converse or post directly about it.
Thanks! This is magnificent! But going forward, secrecy will be the name of the game; just as their "Theif In The Night" tactic is what got them their initial cowardly victories. Same goes for developing new and different poisoning techs vs their counter-techs in the coming arms race.
When people were people were whishing “happy New Year” at the begging of this year I was like “Sure whatever…” However now I am starting to think this year might be actually better.
FINALLY SOME NON GOV LEGALBS SOLUTION, FUC IM BROKE AND WILL CONTRIBUTE, MUST SHARE SOME OF THE REAL ANARCHO PUNK WAY BABY. sry for screaming im drunk, and will not edit. cheers. kahoots! or someting. HA I LIED 101th!
I'm a little torn on this. On one hand, learning models that target artwork can be used to create invaluable tools for everyone (image recognition, search tools etc.). On the other hand, until laws are passed to teach these tech companies proper media usage etiquette, we may have to take matters into our own hands. Quite the short deadline! I'll see if I can send in an older work perhaps.
I wouldn't worry. Nightshade doesn't actually do much. If you read the research paper it targets the default Stable diffusion VAE. That's archaic. Not only will midjourney and Dalle not be impacted at all, most fine tuned models on civitai use a variant VAE. These are naturally resistant to nightshade. The other aspect of nightshade - incorrect tagging - is honestly useless. For LoRAs we do manually tagging and foundational models use generated tags instead of scraped. At the end of the day. AI isn't going to help here, only a change in policy or economic model will alleviate these woes.
@@zenko4187 I think you misunderstand. Nightshade isn't designed as a solution to artists' problems with AI. It's designed to slow down tech companies while lawsuits against tech companies work their way thru the court system and lobbying efforts work toward regulations. Glaze and Nightshade work on ALL image generative AI, not just stable diffusion. Perhaps that might not always be the case, but again, Nightshade is not the end all be all, it's in coordination with other efforts in the fight against unregulated AI. And time and energy spent by AI companies trying to find ways to defeat Nightshade is time and energy not spent on their legal and legislative woes 😎 So not sure where you got your info. Whoever told you it only works on stable diffusion and other issues, they are trying to scare you. They need you to not use Nightshade because that's the only way they can think of to defeat Nightshade right now: Encouraging people not to use it so they can keep using their unregulated toys.
Steven, you should be ashamed for sharing this scam to your viewers. You know perfectly well this does not do anything to prevent the creation of models and LoRas. As it fundamentally fails to understand how training works. All nightshade does is add a monitoring program to your system. Remember, if a product is free, YOU are the product. Nightshade is taking advantage of people's fear and ignorance and you are helping them. edit: by the way even if this *did* work the way they tricked people into thinking it does (it does not)....all people would have to do is use win+shift+s to grab captures of art and use that instead...common sense.
@@The_I_of_the_Angel333Have yet to wait a response from the OC, but you can look up how Nightshade does not work and the various tests people have put it through.
The sheer amount of free content available to use in the databases makes Nightshade moot. You're not pissing in a hot tub or even a pool, you're pissing in an ocean.
Ok, for all the semi tech-literate people in the comments. Nightshade doesnt help with LoRAs, Ip-adapter, controlnet or other techniques small guys like those on civitai use to adapt your art. Nightshade can disrupt a foundational model....if its trained fresh on your data...and doesn't retrain the VAE....and doesnt retag the images. You get what you pay for I guess.
@@RetroNumanoxIt's a grift happening in plain sight and it pisses me off. Believing in this snake oil just weakens artists position in negotiating policy. It's just sad to watch.
I'm also quite torn on this issue. Like I've been getting punched in the face over and over again and the person doing the punching is saying that I shouldn't be such a baby about it and I'm starting to agree... maybe I should empty my pockets and donate my brain to this obviously very smart punchy person... JS there's some room to see both sides here.
@@koumorichinpo4326you’re absolutely right. I find it very off-putting how these ai tech simps are such crybullies. They wanna take our lunch and expect us to say thank you, it’s absurd.
AI isn't the enemy of artists. 70% use AI. As artists we absorb experience and we regurgitate those experiences in our own way, just like AI. If any artist is to gaze upon your work then that is taken in as one of those experiences. You need to stop being luddites. And don't waste your time and energy holding back the sea. Embrace the world you are in, as all artists did that came before you did. As every major movement in art involved new technology, without it the art workd would be an abyss.
@@koumorichinpo4326 - It's like you read the 1st sentence of my comment and gave up. Picasso said, good artists copy, great artists steal. In order for any artist to get good they need to be a copyist. That is how everything learns, human or machine. You should ban machines learning from your work the day after you stop yourself doing that. If not, why not? You are basically saying every artist is the enemy or every other artist. You have a right to be this stupid, but why share it?
@@The_I_of_the_Angel333 - To steal is to take and deprive. If I steal your car, you don't have a car. It isn't theft. What it did is view artwork, no one or no thing needs my consent to view my artwork. What a nasty world you want to form where others need artists consent to view artwork, put me in a box now. This is nothing but specious. That a human can view artwork and be influenced by it, but a machine can't. Lots of court cases going on at the moment, why don't you let them conclude. If you ban a machine from being influenced by others art, the next step is to ban humans - and that is the origins of all art. You could be killing art for good. Free art for all, don't be an art fascist.
@@watercolourmark I would like to argue, but the last word you said completely proved that you are out of your mind and probably not even a good person. You are close minded and just don't want to understand why artists don't want their hard work to be exploited in the world full of capitalism where if you don't get money, you don't get a life. I liked AI art as well, it was fascinating that machine can do art with just a bunch of code. But here's the sad fact. It has been created by stealing art. They trained their machine not to make this world a better place, but to get their hands on other's people hard work and get money from that. To make the consumption of the product faster just for their own sake. I wouldn't say a word if they paid artists, but instead they did a nasty thing and keep doing it, so we have no other option, but to fight back. Hard work should be respected, stop being a delusional.
This is dangerous. This will hurt a lot of people who lack the skills or motor skills to do this. I can't belive how much you anti ai people hate our species for the sake of profit. We are a doomed species. "Yeah, let's taint the fuel supply to hurt racers! That'll show them"
Species? We're all human beings dude. You aren't entitled to use other peoples belongings without consent. We learn this as toddlers, how did you forget?
The AI video and image generators WILL be used for the sake of profit, and for some reason you don't recognize it. Too short sighted or not not versed enough in the subject , I don't know. Profit for the people who already have most of the money, since the tool WILL be used to eliminate work , so the rich companies don't have to pay as many people and will eliminate a big part of their work force , which means keeping more money for themselves , while at the same time these tools allowing them to produce much more content than before, potentially increasing their inflow of money too, for even more profits overall! In short, this is screwing the regular person, to make even more money for the rich, and to make you even more replaceable/piece of trash meat that can easily be discarded , in the eyes of the elite! And wtf are these made up 'dangerous' consequences of 'hurting a lot of people who lack the motor skills to do art'. You know you LEARN to have the motor skills, right? Nobody can draw auto-magically. And also HOW not drawing or not being able to draw hurts anybody? Is every person who can't draw visited by the Drawing Police and they go "Stop! You have violated the law for your lack of skills to draw! Pay your fine or face prison time!"?
Not all. I see a lot of comments discussing the concerns of whether this works or not and comments that explain why it doesn’t work. It is important for us to know if the tool we are using will effectively defend our work before applying it head on. Just because it has a good “incentive” doesn’t mean that there aren’t other motives lying underneath.
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Haha noooo don't use Nightshade guys! That would be so detrimental to people that were just looking out for our worst interests, and this is how we repay them? Definitely don't go to the link in the description and easily install your own copy of-
Copy of what?
@@AtlyswithaY-tv3izNightshade
bro got sniped
For anyone using this keep in mind don't mention which ones or that you use nightshade in your art, that might make it a little easier for the programmers of the AI engine to use it as a point of reference to see how to counter it.
They published how nightshade works. It's already well known how to counter it. It's probably best if you just apply it to all of your works.
I'm confused why this is getting so much traction, a quick google and several proofs of defeating nightshade have already been published. Surely artists atleast have the technical know-how to look stuff up, or are they intentionally spreading misinformation?
@@ProtheanPrisoner i've done a couple quick googles and all i could find was Nightshade Antidote, which i did actually try to run
as far as i can tell it's just a generic image forensics tool, it claims to detect image editing as opposed to anything nightshade-specific (i would've expected at least a neural image classifier)
and i suspect it was written by a language model, given the redundant comments on every single line and the metadata function being subtly outdated and broken
@@hecko-yes its a nothing burger, its a pathetic demoralizing tactic
@@hecko-yesI don't know about nightshade antidote, that seems unrelated.
What I'm talking about is how nightshade actually functions. It has two attack vectors: mislabeling and VAE targeted noise poison.
The first is useless, anyone that trains models doesn't use the raw tags anymore. That was best practice in 2022, now we use generated tags or manual ones.
As for the VAE poison, that is very effective - against the base stable diffusion VAE. There are literally hundreds of different VAEs trained for different art styles (waifu diffusion has its own for anime) and it's trivial to train new ones (they are less than 15mb).
Anyone, and I mean anyone, that is even slightly familiar with kohya will have no problem bypassing either glaze or nightshade.
Zapata uses nightshade, it is extremely effective!
Night shade has set damage in pokemon , depending on your level, so super effective isn't a factor.
No place for AI in art.
You want to do art ? YOU LEARN ! I don't have time to learn medecine and I don't try to improvize myself as doctor with GPT.
I don't steal your job, don't steal mine.
There is no shortcut.
AI is used a lot in medicine
Go NIGHTSHADE Go GO!!
I feel life I've been waiting an eternal to use nightshade 🙏🏽 Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
love u mr zapata
Fight fire with fire
More like fighting a burglar with barbed wire.
we are prepared for war
@@yourgoodfriend276 more like tripwire shotgun
More like fighting fire with a security blanket.
@@zenko4187blankire*
Zapata's anti AI sass is unmatched! 💅💅
Literally started laughing out loud while watching…my daughter came over to check on me haha!
You're a great person, Steve!!! Love what you do for the art community!
I hope they can make it as an extension for chrome, so the process can be more automated.
I kind of wish these countermeasures weren't as computationally expensive as the same algorithms they're designed to defeat.
@@Stratelierand wish for them to be more effective
Fantastic!
You have done WELL... Looaard Vadaaah!
I've been reading and trying to educate myself a lot about LLM models, both for visual arts and other areas and even wrote my senior thesis on racial and sexist bias in AI models.
I've listened to so much, and people say so much, but it always seems so simple to me.
Art is about human intentionality. Everything from the most revered works in any field to the most mundane of illustrations or jingles involve human intentionality with the intent to communicate with other humans. It is a human pushing around the brush, strumming the guitar or constructing the sentences.
AI "art" is an algorithmic response that tries to predict what you want to see or hear or read. It responds to a prompt and gives you a selection of choices based on that prompt, but there is no authorship because algorithms cannot author. Stochasim gives the illusion of novelty but in the end, they're always constricted to their training data. They're clever mimics but that's all they are, like a magic trick the more you understand how it works the less impressive it is.
Going back to the ELIZA program experiments in the 1960's the tendency for us to imagine a human consciousness behind a plausibly human response to a prompt is normal. It's no different for visual arts. Seeing something that looks like it could be plausibly made by a human leads us to imagine an artist behind it, but there is no artist. There is only someone with some word prompts (who is likely incredibly lazy and wants the ego gratification of being an "artist" without putting in any work.)
Having any idea, whether it's have a hoverboard flying across the sidewalk in a neon light cyberpunk city or give me a cute picture of a cat is just that, an idea. Art is in the creation, and during creation their are endless choices and actions made by the artist. This is probably why it's popular among AI enthusiasts to try and claim that humans are nothing more than "stochastic parrots," because if we are it elevates and legitimizes their computer programs to the divine, that is the human. Sadly computer programs are not metacognitive, cannot self reflect and are not capable of interacting with society as a human agent. They are doomed to churn out results based on their algorithm.
It's that simple. Human intentionality versus algorithmic output. With a side order of cheap imitation attempts, like an ill fitting human skin suit.
As for the industry however... What a shitshow. I really wish artists were better at organized resistance because whether you like it or not you've been at war for some time now. As the great philosophers the Wu-Tang Clan once said; Cash rules everything around me.
I am not a graphic artist but I will continue to fight every way I know how, because a world where all of our "art" is simply an algorithm predicting what we want to see is a dystopia I don't want to live in.
Humanity literally going down a dystopian path because of the greedy companies exploiting other's hard work for free. This is all just sad and wouldn't happen if people respected each other.
Thanks
Do we have to donate/send the work during the stream or it can be before it? Will it stay up so I can savor my few moments of art validation forever?
seems more promising than glaze
Both are promising. I promise you. 😎
Indeed both are promising NIGHTSHADE IT THEN GLAZE IT
I'm looking forward to it, gonna be a party 🏴☠️
This sounds like fun❤😂
this will sure be an interesting stream
Steven, you are a gem for sharing my malicious joy in ruining AI bros snd their tools. Keep the good work up, you have my full support
Ur a legend
Love ya Steven!!! 👏👏👏
Yes!! ❤
Art and war
They should not be combined
guys nightshade worked, i lost my job as ai programmer to nightshade
The link to the fundraiser doesn't seem to be working? It just forever loads and doesn't go anywhere. Anyone else have this issue?
3D digital sculpts cool to send in as well?
TO NOT TAKE OUR SHI-
You are a gem. 💖
let's do it
Exciting
Yesss
Yessss
haha so devious, lob it
A Zapata W, long live the revolution!
Sounds like a cool idea! However, showing the un-nightshaded art submission on stream before applying nightshade might be risky, since AI systems can scrape the frames of the stream...
compression already gonna ruin nightshade and i scraping is not some targeted process, they wont hunt art from videos because its inefficient... they simply wont bother
If they're going to do whatever they want and say "the market called for it to be!" then we'll just find a market solution to this little pain in the neck stealing all the jobs.
Wow
Shouldn't you nightshade first before looking at it on stream?
This is genius lol
nice!
💯♦
Time to fight fire with fire Komrades
Great news! Please tell me they’re gonna make web nightshade like they did with glaze. I made few attempts to shade my art with different densities and all of them turned out wrecked, like all black. My GPU memory is enough to run nightshade, so idk what’s wrong with my computer 😭
Certain models of cards, like I think it was the 1600 series for NVidia, have a bug that can cause that and there's no way for the team to fix it.
But! They are going to put Nightshade on the web in a combined form with Glaze (because you should Nightshade first, then Glaze) as soon as they can. And it's also going to be a part of Cara at some point too! :)
Nightshade will always add noise, but it does sound like it's adding too much. Granted it's an adversarial attack method so maybe your style needs more noise than others.
Granted, I don't think nightshade is all that effective, but in principle you should expect to see some light distortions.
commenting so that more artists can see this vid
It often feels like what everyone wants from me means nothing to me personally.
And I'm being told that I shouldn't stay invisible...as if the only thing that ever matters in life is getting lots of followers and being payed for a disposable product.
What people mean to say is that I don't matter to them. They just want to be entertained. They want to consume whatever I throw at them.
I just think "let them have at it with A.I. They don't need me."
This isn't me being self-defeating...
I'm just so fed-up with the world.
I have it bookmarked >:)
8 Feb :0 got it .
cant wait for him to look at my waifus
lol lets sent bunch of wifus 💀
Hey guys. I've been following Steven's and other videos about ai since last december... I have honest doubts and concerns about the effectiveness of Glaze, have no idea if nightshade is more effective, but I wanted to know. Is there a discord or telegram - or whatnot - group going on where artists are organized to talk about it? If there isn't , should we make one? If there is already, someone please point me to it.
By the way, my name is Fernanda and I'm an working (kind of) employed digital artist from Brasil.
So far not that I know of, group or server-wise. I’ve been scouring subreddits to see the artists and tech discussions based around such programs. It provides an alternative means of insight from otherwise needing to converse or post directly about it.
Thanks! This is magnificent! But going forward, secrecy will be the name of the game; just as their "Theif In The Night" tactic is what got them their initial cowardly victories.
Same goes for developing new and different poisoning techs vs their counter-techs in the coming arms race.
It really doesn't work all that well, but if it gives you peace of mind then it's worth it.
@@zenko4187 damn bro, why you make the same comment on this single video 25 times?
@@NeoEvanA.R.Tyour request for attention is acknowledged. Have a good day.
For people to have pushed artists to use this thing, I think they overall deserve less art in the world.
yeah, i want intelligent in other planets to go here and say "you are the most stupid intelligent beings on yhe universe"
Hey, how are you doing?
I love you
Those are definitely someone else's hands. No way his goblin body is that big.
When people were people were whishing “happy New Year” at the begging of this year I was like “Sure whatever…” However now I am starting to think this year might be actually better.
FINALLY SOME NON GOV LEGALBS SOLUTION, FUC IM BROKE AND WILL CONTRIBUTE, MUST SHARE SOME OF THE REAL ANARCHO PUNK WAY BABY. sry for screaming im drunk, and will not edit. cheers. kahoots! or someting. HA I LIED 101th!
I'm a little torn on this. On one hand, learning models that target artwork can be used to create invaluable tools for everyone (image recognition, search tools etc.). On the other hand, until laws are passed to teach these tech companies proper media usage etiquette, we may have to take matters into our own hands.
Quite the short deadline! I'll see if I can send in an older work perhaps.
I wouldn't worry. Nightshade doesn't actually do much. If you read the research paper it targets the default Stable diffusion VAE. That's archaic. Not only will midjourney and Dalle not be impacted at all, most fine tuned models on civitai use a variant VAE. These are naturally resistant to nightshade.
The other aspect of nightshade - incorrect tagging - is honestly useless. For LoRAs we do manually tagging and foundational models use generated tags instead of scraped.
At the end of the day. AI isn't going to help here, only a change in policy or economic model will alleviate these woes.
@@zenko4187 I think you misunderstand. Nightshade isn't designed as a solution to artists' problems with AI. It's designed to slow down tech companies while lawsuits against tech companies work their way thru the court system and lobbying efforts work toward regulations. Glaze and Nightshade work on ALL image generative AI, not just stable diffusion. Perhaps that might not always be the case, but again, Nightshade is not the end all be all, it's in coordination with other efforts in the fight against unregulated AI. And time and energy spent by AI companies trying to find ways to defeat Nightshade is time and energy not spent on their legal and legislative woes 😎
So not sure where you got your info. Whoever told you it only works on stable diffusion and other issues, they are trying to scare you. They need you to not use Nightshade because that's the only way they can think of to defeat Nightshade right now: Encouraging people not to use it so they can keep using their unregulated toys.
Oh boi, the flies are going to attack you :))))
Finally, my Steven Zapata fanfic art shipping him with various anime waifus can finally get the audience it deserves!
My nightshade error 😢
i love nightshade. FUCK ai and those "artist" using it.
It does not work
lmao i saw ai bros saying it will never work lmao i think it will work lmao
News:It does not work
@@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441 it does work have you tried it? you must be a ai bro oh god your a sonic ape lmao
@@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441 it is working
@@alexanderdavidlocarnogomez3441It is very unfortunate how these methods only enhance AI scraping even more.
holy moly its steven zapata, wow!
irs mojo :0
@@samankucher5117 saman :O how have you been!?
@@mojoryse7836
I've been around :3 we haven't seen each other because our streamers haven't streamed for a while :)
Im ready for WARRRRRR .
I wish nightshade didn't completly fuck up my paintings with ugly artifatcs. At that point i will use it
muahahaha
mah man rocking that superman hairstyle
Oh Nah...
Resist against ai is like trying to empty the sea using a bucket
Steven, you should be ashamed for sharing this scam to your viewers. You know perfectly well this does not do anything to prevent the creation of models and LoRas. As it fundamentally fails to understand how training works.
All nightshade does is add a monitoring program to your system.
Remember, if a product is free, YOU are the product.
Nightshade is taking advantage of people's fear and ignorance and you are helping them.
edit: by the way even if this *did* work the way they tricked people into thinking it does (it does not)....all people would have to do is use win+shift+s to grab captures of art and use that instead...common sense.
Source?
@@The_I_of_the_Angel333Have yet to wait a response from the OC, but you can look up how Nightshade does not work and the various tests people have put it through.
@@The_I_of_the_Angel333”my source is that I made it the fuck up”
Great, I can protect something that has zero market value. What is the point?
So people make art just for money?
please get help mr zapata.
artist raging and world war. remember the history lessons
The sheer amount of free content available to use in the databases makes Nightshade moot. You're not pissing in a hot tub or even a pool, you're pissing in an ocean.
Thats kind of what I was thinking... Just how many many poison samples would be required to make a dent?
dnc still gonna use it
@@BinaryDood Enough to protect your own art style if you protect all of your work
scammer
Ok, for all the semi tech-literate people in the comments. Nightshade doesnt help with LoRAs, Ip-adapter, controlnet or other techniques small guys like those on civitai use to adapt your art.
Nightshade can disrupt a foundational model....if its trained fresh on your data...and doesn't retrain the VAE....and doesnt retag the images.
You get what you pay for I guess.
yeah thats what glaze is for
@@koumorichinpo4326Glaze has been ineffective for close to a year. It's just another Denoise step to remove the hidden patterns.
@@RetroNumanoxIt's a grift happening in plain sight and it pisses me off. Believing in this snake oil just weakens artists position in negotiating policy. It's just sad to watch.
@@RetroNumanoxI saw it. My response was deleted as well. It's a shame, they've chosen false comfort.
@@zenko4187 grift? it's free and they don't make money on it, and they refuse donations. has someone left you out in the sun too long?
This stuff doesnt work, ive trained ai models, the best thing you can do is just to put watermarks on your work
dream on!
you realize it doesnt do anything right
ambasing
I'm also quite torn on this issue. Like I've been getting punched in the face over and over again and the person doing the punching is saying that I shouldn't be such a baby about it and I'm starting to agree... maybe I should empty my pockets and donate my brain to this obviously very smart punchy person... JS there's some room to see both sides here.
No there isn't. Don't steal art.
"this is a complex grey issue" no it isnt shut up
@@yourgoodfriend276%100 percent agree, I was trying to make a joke 😅
@@koumorichinpo4326you’re absolutely right. I find it very off-putting how these ai tech simps are such crybullies. They wanna take our lunch and expect us to say thank you, it’s absurd.
AI isn't the enemy of artists. 70% use AI. As artists we absorb experience and we regurgitate those experiences in our own way, just like AI. If any artist is to gaze upon your work then that is taken in as one of those experiences. You need to stop being luddites. And don't waste your time and energy holding back the sea. Embrace the world you are in, as all artists did that came before you did. As every major movement in art involved new technology, without it the art workd would be an abyss.
it instantly became the enemy of artists when it was used to steal from them
@@koumorichinpo4326 - It's like you read the 1st sentence of my comment and gave up. Picasso said, good artists copy, great artists steal. In order for any artist to get good they need to be a copyist. That is how everything learns, human or machine. You should ban machines learning from your work the day after you stop yourself doing that. If not, why not? You are basically saying every artist is the enemy or every other artist. You have a right to be this stupid, but why share it?
It literally has been made by companies that stole the hard work art without consent.
@@The_I_of_the_Angel333 - To steal is to take and deprive. If I steal your car, you don't have a car. It isn't theft. What it did is view artwork, no one or no thing needs my consent to view my artwork. What a nasty world you want to form where others need artists consent to view artwork, put me in a box now. This is nothing but specious. That a human can view artwork and be influenced by it, but a machine can't. Lots of court cases going on at the moment, why don't you let them conclude. If you ban a machine from being influenced by others art, the next step is to ban humans - and that is the origins of all art. You could be killing art for good. Free art for all, don't be an art fascist.
@@watercolourmark I would like to argue, but the last word you said completely proved that you are out of your mind and probably not even a good person. You are close minded and just don't want to understand why artists don't want their hard work to be exploited in the world full of capitalism where if you don't get money, you don't get a life. I liked AI art as well, it was fascinating that machine can do art with just a bunch of code. But here's the sad fact. It has been created by stealing art. They trained their machine not to make this world a better place, but to get their hands on other's people hard work and get money from that. To make the consumption of the product faster just for their own sake. I wouldn't say a word if they paid artists, but instead they did a nasty thing and keep doing it, so we have no other option, but to fight back. Hard work should be respected, stop being a delusional.
This is dangerous. This will hurt a lot of people who lack the skills or motor skills to do this. I can't belive how much you anti ai people hate our species for the sake of profit. We are a doomed species.
"Yeah, let's taint the fuel supply to hurt racers! That'll show them"
Species? We're all human beings dude. You aren't entitled to use other peoples belongings without consent. We learn this as toddlers, how did you forget?
@@aliz4467 we are a species
@@Phoenix3Fighter You aren't any different than anyone else.
The AI video and image generators WILL be used for the sake of profit, and for some reason you don't recognize it. Too short sighted or not not versed enough in the subject , I don't know. Profit for the people who already have most of the money, since the tool WILL be used to eliminate work , so the rich companies don't have to pay as many people and will eliminate a big part of their work force , which means keeping more money for themselves , while at the same time these tools allowing them to produce much more content than before, potentially increasing their inflow of money too, for even more profits overall!
In short, this is screwing the regular person, to make even more money for the rich, and to make you even more replaceable/piece of trash meat that can easily be discarded , in the eyes of the elite!
And wtf are these made up 'dangerous' consequences of 'hurting a lot of people who lack the motor skills to do art'. You know you LEARN to have the motor skills, right? Nobody can draw auto-magically. And also HOW not drawing or not being able to draw hurts anybody? Is every person who can't draw visited by the Drawing Police and they go "Stop! You have violated the law for your lack of skills to draw! Pay your fine or face prison time!"?
It's like saying people who install alarm systems on their houses are bad because it stops burglars.
ai bros are seething in the comments lmao
Not all. I see a lot of comments discussing the concerns of whether this works or not and comments that explain why it doesn’t work. It is important for us to know if the tool we are using will effectively defend our work before applying it head on. Just because it has a good “incentive” doesn’t mean that there aren’t other motives lying underneath.
yesss