I agree with your interpretation of the ending but an aspect though I thought about how Eren make his life goal about destroying the titans (which was to be abstracted to outsiders of paradis who harm him and his friends) which did end up happening after he died as the power of the titans died with him at least for hundreds of years if not thousands of years. But with the nuclear bombing shows how the reason for conflict isn't as simple titans bad but that it is with humans having trouble about not resorting to war. In short what I basically mean is that pinning the titans for the reasons for war is short sighted.
@@aloreantherogue4439 that's an interesting angle i hadn't specifically thought of before. As we know, war happens even without titans, because the reasons humans go to war aren't inherently linked to the existence of big monsters. There's something more fundamental that needs to be dealt with in order to establish peace (the motives behind war), which probably can't be solved purely through destruction (tunnel-visioned annihilation of the titans)
what are your thought on attack on titan fanmade alternate ending? namely the one that choose to adapt the akatsuki no requiem (anr) theory? Like aotnorequiem, aot operation usurper and others.
@@aliefalyansyah5996 haven't looked into the fan endings really. the impression i've got from people talking about them is that they're kinda edgy wish fulfillment, but i don't want to pass too much judgement before actually knowing what happens in them
@@chryysanth they probably the pro ending one then. and i mean the pro manga ending and chapter 139.5 personally I thought eren suddenly want to be with mikasa and armin thanking him for being a mass muderer for his sake is also cringe. The anime ending change the dialogue a bit to do damage control.
I agree with what you said about Eren's motivations. I think I see what Isayama was trying to convey, but it wasn't executed very well and got a bit too messy. About the line saying "I don't know why. I just wanted to do it." There's obviously more to it than if you just take those words by themselves. As he says that (or right before he says that in the anime version), we cut to Eren being born and Grisha telling him that he is free. It's not that Eren doesn't know why he destroyed the world, he had his justifications, but looking at the roots of them, he doesn't know where this specific drive for freedom comes from, which is ultimately what led him to do what he did. He is unable to explain it. He was just born this way. To quote Schopenhauer "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills". Eren is a slave to freedom. And his concept of freedom is a life without threats and where he can freely see the sights of the world he was born into. And in this case, it means an empty world, without humans. Something to keep note of is that, while Armin was interested in the sights of the world out of curiosity, Eren wasn't really interested in the sights themselves, but in the freedom to see them. That's one of the meanings of "the shell that wasn't seen". Here's some more stuff I wrote about Eren and the overall message of the ending : When Eren first saw glimpses of the future within his father's memories and learned that he would unleash the Rumbling on the world, he still didn't seem to accept it right away and wanted to see if that future could change. He even was the one who asked to use all the time that they had left to look for alternatives to Zeke's plan requiring Historia's sacrifice (which would actually be alternatives to him having to reject that plan and replace it with the full Rumbling). But as time went on, the prospects of the future changing looked more and more unlikely, maybe even impossible. When he sees Ramzi get beaten up, despite knowing from future memories that he will rescue him, he tries to leave him, to act differently from the future he has seen. But ultimately, he couldn't bring himself to do that. He wanted to save him and he couldn't repress this desire. The next day, after the conference from the Eldian Rights Protection Association didn't bring him any hope, he ended up giving into his "fate" and left the Survey Corps who were still trying to search for alternatives. Who knows what could have happened if he had stayed with them and they had kept looking. But he was convinced that the future wouldn't change and that the only way he would be able to protect the people he cares about and reach the freedom he desired was to do what he felt he needed and wanted to do : completely wipe out the outside world. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Armin was right when he told him that he could still stop the massacre that was happening, but Eren couldn't, because he couldn't see any other way to get what he wants. He couldn't stop moving towards what he desired. And that's why the outcome couldn't be changed. There is only one thing that he cares more or at least just as much as his own freedom : the freedom of his friends'. Being the way he is, he couldn't bring himself to take away their freedom to gain his own freedom. This is what leads him to partially compromise by destroying only 80% of the world before getting stopped. That was the best outcome he could reach in regards to his goals without having to take away his friends' freedom. But if his friends hadn't made the choice to stop him, he would have kept going. Sadly, even that way, he still ends up causing some of his friends' death. And that's why he ultimately boils down his inability to find any other way as him being "an idiot with too much power", whether that's a fair assessment or not. The future cannot be changed because Eren is unable to change who he is and what he desires. He is "a slave to freedom". Also, something to keep in mind, based on his dialogues with Historia and Ramzi prior to the Rumbling, he doesn't seem to know that his friends will choose to stop him at these points. Before he unlocks the Founding Titan, he's only able to see glimpses of the future from within his father's memories and Grisha clearly didn't seem to think Eren would be stopped. Ultimately, I think Eren's character represents the danger of fatalism. Eren's inability to change who he is and the fact that he literally cannot see any other possibility than the future he sees cause him to act in a way that makes this very future a reality. Even if he had completely wiped out the outside world, reality ultimately wouldn't have changed : humans will always finding reasons to fight each other, because it's kill or be killed. They'll do just like Eren, because that's just the truth of this world, right? On the other hand, Armin and the Survey Corps couldn't give up on trying to change things, no matter how dangerous and futile it seemed to be. As Historia said at the end : "This world is an outcome wrought by all of our choices". If it wasn't for them making the choice to stop Eren, there would be no hope for things to change. I think that what the story is trying to do by showing us Paradis getting destroyed and conflict continuing in the future, is dare us to keep hoping that we can change things in spite of all that. Seeing this result, it's easy to give into fatalism, to think that all efforts were for nothing and it's not worth trying (and I'm sad seeing so much people seemingly only taking that away from the ending, despite Isayama's dialogue additions in Armin's talk with Eren and Historia's letter in the anime). Sure, this ending doesn't give us a magical answer on how to be free from conflict, but it's okay. After all, we haven't found this answer in real life either. But I think it does give us a potential path to follow. It tells us that conflict is ultimately the result of some of life's biological mechanisms, such as fear, controlling us for the meaningless goal of ensuring the survival of our species and multiplying. One way that may allow us to be free from conflict, is to be aware of the forces that control us and try to not let ourselves be controlled by them. What gave birth to the Power of the Titans in that moment when Ymir fell into that tree was her fear, her desire for an immortal body. But the kid we see at the end seems different. He's not entering that tree under the control of fear, but seemingly curiosity, a desire to understand things. What will be born out of this?
Couldn't have said it better. That's exactly how I interpreted it after some deep thoughts. If you take it at surface level, it's complete nonsense but when you look deep into it and let it marinate a bit, it makes so much more sense. It was an amazing concept that was just executed poorly, but I understand because it's a finale where Yams wanted to fit everything into limited pages(for the manga ending) and an hour(for the anime), plus I am sure he just wanted to wrap things up and be done with it.
Thanks for explaining that "I don't know" part, your reading of it makes sense to me. I and others were just reading it wrong i guess lol. But also the further analysis you give is really good as well, love the points about fatalism and working towards the best outcome even if the future seems set. + Being aware of the forces that drive us towards conflict has always felt like an important aspect of the series to me. The way you frame the kid finding the tree at the very end is also very interesting, there's a lot of potential there
I am mostly disappointed with the abandoned setup that Isayama seems to have set up but abandoned in a last moment change. There is excellent analysis out there showing the thematic connection between Historia and Ymir and the whole pregnancy subplot clearly setting Historia up to be central part of the ending, but unfortunately she was relegated to just another puppet queen to replace the puppet king.
That's something i could've brought up in the video; I've felt for all parts of the final season that Historia has been underutilized and this finale didn't really solve that. I'm fine with her not being that important as the rest of the story is interesting enough to me but it does feel strange to have some kind of loose threads left over with her
Your illiteracy and inability to pico up red herrings os not isayamas problem. Stop trying to make people hate the ending just because they disagree with you
I've been asking this question in many places for a while but so far, I received no answers. Between the centuries of peace brought to Paradis by the Rumbling and a roughly century of peace brought to Paradis by joining the Allies in the Marley Mid-East War, what will you choose? The reason why I asked this because of the ending of Attack on Titan, of course. Does is matter how long that peace lasted as long as those from Eren's generation managed to live long like he wanted. Also, just like how many peoples started wars in order to obtain peace and secured society, so does making sacrifices. If Paradis government that is run by the Yeagerists decided to cooperate by demanding that Reiner, Annie and Pieck must be handed to them in order to be put on "trials" and executed for their war crimes against Paradis to secure a peace treaty with Marley, Hizuru, the Mid-East Eyalets and the other nations, what will Armin, Jean and Connie do it? Sure, Historia can objected but since she is just a figurehead, I suspected that the Yeagerists-appointed Minister President is most likely the one with all executive powers on Paradis. Heck, the Yeagerists might even forced her to sign a constitution to make Paradis a constitional monarchy instead of an absolute one like it used to be. By the way, what do you think of my comparison between Hange and Armin to Count Dooku that I was talking about in the previous video? Do you think I made a right choice to compare them to the former Jedi who became the Head of State of the Separatists Alliance? And personally, I like everything about the ending, especially when Eren admitted that he himself is an idiot. If he or someone else suggested the idea of joining the Allies in the Marley Mid-East War, the one who came up with such an idea is anything but an idiot in my view. Talking with Marley? Now, that is idiotic idea because Marley is nothing but a bully that like to do whatever it wanted. This is why I don't like Hange and Armin after the timeskip. The fact that they came up with an idea of talking with a bully just shown how much naive and idealistic they are. Bullies only speak one language and that is violence. But back to Eren, he is just as idiotic as they are from the certain point of view of mine because he did the Rumbling not solely out of the idea of protecting his loved ones but also because he wanted to see the world in Armin's book, where everything he witnessed is free, in real life. And this is why he is an idiot here. While Hange and Armin are idiots in thinking a negotiation with a bully like Marley is possible, Eren is an idiot in desiring for a world where hatred and conflict do not existed and everything and everyone is free. And all that they desired are ultimately impossible. Ultimately, this ended up circling back to the idea of Paradis joined Marley Mid-East War as a member of the Allies. After all, its outcome that which is Paradis and Marley ended up having the cold relations for roughly a century similar to the one between Britain and Russia in our world back during the 19th century is the most politically realistic outcome. Of course, there are more than just that. So if you wanted me to expand on it, let me know. In fact, I already said it in the previous video's comment. But if you wanted to hear it again in order to analyze and think about it, I will say it again. One more thing, why do you think peoples who come to watch Attack on Titan wanted Cinderella's ending so much? I called it as such because I saw many peoples usd to call out that Eren achieved nothing because Paradis got bombed centuries later. I don't know what they wanted but it seemed to me they wanted eternal peace, something that is clearly impossible. Speaking of which, why we humans always pursued the goals that are largely impossible to achieve so much?
@@Delta_2512 I've seen this pattern ever since I studied history. For example, the Jurchen people rose up against the Great Liao of the Khitans, overthrow them and establish the Great Jin. And then, they expanded into the Great Song's territories, reducing it to just the southern territories only. The more popular example is how Russia came to be. Before Russia became Russia, it was known as the Kievan Rus'. And then, the Mongols, known to the Rus' as the Tatars, arrived, conquered them and made the Rus' princes the vassals of the Khans of the Golden Horde. And for roughly a century, they remained under the Mongols' rule. But as the Golden Horde grew weaker due to internal divisions and civil wars, the Russian princes became politically and economically stronger. Then one day, Grand Prince Ivan III of Moscow decided to stop paying tributes to the Khan of the Golden Horde, which ultimately led to the Great Stand at the Ugra River. And it resulted in the end of Moscow's status as a vassal of the Mongol Khans and its very first step to become one of Europe's major powers. And ever since then, the Golden Horde kept disintergrating until it was split into multiple Khanates. And these small Tatar Khanates became easy preys for the expansion of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, which later soon became the Tsardom of Russia when Ivan IV proclaimed himself the Tsar of All Russia. Soon enough, the Tsardom expanded beyond the Ural Mountains and went deep further into Alaska on the North American continent, subjugating all tribes they encountered on the way there. So you see now? Marley is no different from the nations such as the Great Jin and the Tsardom of Russia in our world. They started their conquests of expansion for revenge and the desire to protect their homes. But soon, the hunger for more powers took the center on the stage while revenge became nothing but an excuse. So tell me this. Does Marley really wanted to invade Paradis just to protect the world from the Founding Titan? Or did they do it to maintain their international dominance?
Thanks for the vid. I read the manga while it was in serialization and the ending conversation between eren and armin seemed out of left field. Eren's drive and viewpoint on the world seemed to be focused on attaining freedom from the islanders doomed existence. So to have him chalk up his decision to initiate the rumbling based on some bizzare cuckold fetish felt like a complete character assassination. Isayama also stated in an interview that the ending he wrote for Shingeki no Kyojin was influenced by a fetish manga he read and that he regretted it. It's an interesting point though that you make that the eren in the conversation wasn't the eren in material reality and more of a 4th dimensional entity. That would certainly make the scene make more sense. I felt the ending left a bad taste in my mouth but I am aware that I am one of those edgelord rumbling enjoyers so i understand why my own bias might lean that way. Good analysis vid my dude.
I only read the manga as for the ending, because the ending disgusted me and made me lose interest in the series altogether. I think the last chapter is especially awful but by far the worst aspect that I think is barely addressed in your video, is every revelation concerning Ymir. The twist of Ymir being in love with the King is terrible. It not only pretty much retcon the very understandable feeling of rage and injustice felt during her flashback in chap 122 (which was the highest point of the series). This change like a domino effect makes the rest of the series worse both in a thematic sense (basically Mikasa is a slave of love, but there's a huge difference between love and the slavery/holocaust motif that was going on right ?). But also Ymir is on a story stand point the pillar that makes the story stand together. She's the reason the story begins and ends, her feeling and status as a slave matters, the entire stakes of titans existing is bind to her being a slave to the King's will/agency. This twist only purpose is to create a artificial narrative link between Mikasa and Ymir while destroying the link between Ymir and Eren about destroying walls/being free etc... Eren plan doesn't make any bit of sense either. If he's a slave of fate and doesn't have agency what is the point of the entire series ? What is Eren's character ? Why does the ending changes something so simple yet effective of "freedom at what cost" in a situation so desperate. Also I think the ending is accidentally fascist. When the heroes are so lame and hypocrite they themselves admit Zieke's plan was the best outcome, or character like Floch who are total fash have better arguments for what and why they are doing than the main cast is a sign Isayama isn't perfect and jumble up. I also really don't like how he didn't have the guts to cut the main trio's friendship. Like genocide is rough but not being friends anymore is going too far ? Why do people forget Eren force them to kill ex comrads that became Yeagerists when they were leaving paradise to catch up to the rumbling. I have lot and looooot of others issues with the last chapter. But I don't want to get fatigued to a series I used to love. I have my reason to think the editors have something to do with how the series turned out in the end (I was in Angoulême this year and close to staff members, they told me how much Kodonsha didn't want any interview asking questions about the ending) But out of everything, I think the Ymir stockholm syndrome shit is the most indefensible.
>It not only pretty much retcon the very understandable feeling of rage and injustice felt during her flashback in chap 122 (which was the highest point of the series). Not that I disagree with the twist of Ymir being in love with King Fritz being weird, but it's not like that interpretation of Ymir's motivation for helping Eren destroy the world made any more sense to begin with, if you really think about it. If Ymir was doing it out of rage at the way she was treated by King Fritz and the Eldian Empire, why the hell would she want to just destroy the outside world who has only been a victim to her powers, while sparing the "New Eldian Empire"? That would literally be fulfilling og Fritz's wish to have his Titans dominate the world. The only way it would have made some sense is if Ymir had decided to destroy only Paradis, or the whole world INCLUDING Paradis. So yeah, while I'm not really satisfied with what it actually turned out to be (or at least the way it's presented and tied to the overall story, I feel like something similar could have been done without the "she loved King Fritz" aspect), it never could have been what you said either.
@@tenroku8751 she was giving her powers to Eren after he gave her the agency of doing something "not as a slave or as a god". There were a popular theory of Ymir reincarnating in Historia's baby. I don't care about shippers saying its eren's kid or smth but it'll would wrapped up Historia's and the other Ymir's relationship better. I think the entire world being destroyed for a child would be a fitting ending to the "this world is cruel but beautiful" catch line
feel free to ask me anything i didn't bring up or that you'd like me to expand on
I agree with your interpretation of the ending but an aspect though I thought about how Eren make his life goal about destroying the titans (which was to be abstracted to outsiders of paradis who harm him and his friends) which did end up happening after he died as the power of the titans died with him at least for hundreds of years if not thousands of years. But with the nuclear bombing shows how the reason for conflict isn't as simple titans bad but that it is with humans having trouble about not resorting to war. In short what I basically mean is that pinning the titans for the reasons for war is short sighted.
@@aloreantherogue4439 that's an interesting angle i hadn't specifically thought of before. As we know, war happens even without titans, because the reasons humans go to war aren't inherently linked to the existence of big monsters. There's something more fundamental that needs to be dealt with in order to establish peace (the motives behind war), which probably can't be solved purely through destruction (tunnel-visioned annihilation of the titans)
what are your thought on attack on titan fanmade alternate ending? namely the one that choose to adapt the akatsuki no requiem (anr) theory? Like aotnorequiem, aot operation usurper and others.
@@aliefalyansyah5996 haven't looked into the fan endings really. the impression i've got from people talking about them is that they're kinda edgy wish fulfillment, but i don't want to pass too much judgement before actually knowing what happens in them
@@chryysanth they probably the pro ending one then. and i mean the pro manga ending and chapter 139.5 personally I thought eren suddenly want to be with mikasa and armin thanking him for being a mass muderer for his sake is also cringe. The anime ending change the dialogue a bit to do damage control.
I agree with what you said about Eren's motivations. I think I see what Isayama was trying to convey, but it wasn't executed very well and got a bit too messy.
About the line saying "I don't know why. I just wanted to do it." There's obviously more to it than if you just take those words by themselves. As he says that (or right before he says that in the anime version), we cut to Eren being born and Grisha telling him that he is free. It's not that Eren doesn't know why he destroyed the world, he had his justifications, but looking at the roots of them, he doesn't know where this specific drive for freedom comes from, which is ultimately what led him to do what he did. He is unable to explain it. He was just born this way. To quote Schopenhauer "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills". Eren is a slave to freedom. And his concept of freedom is a life without threats and where he can freely see the sights of the world he was born into. And in this case, it means an empty world, without humans. Something to keep note of is that, while Armin was interested in the sights of the world out of curiosity, Eren wasn't really interested in the sights themselves, but in the freedom to see them. That's one of the meanings of "the shell that wasn't seen".
Here's some more stuff I wrote about Eren and the overall message of the ending :
When Eren first saw glimpses of the future within his father's memories and learned that he would unleash the Rumbling on the world, he still didn't seem to accept it right away and wanted to see if that future could change. He even was the one who asked to use all the time that they had left to look for alternatives to Zeke's plan requiring Historia's sacrifice (which would actually be alternatives to him having to reject that plan and replace it with the full Rumbling). But as time went on, the prospects of the future changing looked more and more unlikely, maybe even impossible. When he sees Ramzi get beaten up, despite knowing from future memories that he will rescue him, he tries to leave him, to act differently from the future he has seen. But ultimately, he couldn't bring himself to do that. He wanted to save him and he couldn't repress this desire. The next day, after the conference from the Eldian Rights Protection Association didn't bring him any hope, he ended up giving into his "fate" and left the Survey Corps who were still trying to search for alternatives. Who knows what could have happened if he had stayed with them and they had kept looking. But he was convinced that the future wouldn't change and that the only way he would be able to protect the people he cares about and reach the freedom he desired was to do what he felt he needed and wanted to do : completely wipe out the outside world. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Armin was right when he told him that he could still stop the massacre that was happening, but Eren couldn't, because he couldn't see any other way to get what he wants. He couldn't stop moving towards what he desired. And that's why the outcome couldn't be changed.
There is only one thing that he cares more or at least just as much as his own freedom : the freedom of his friends'. Being the way he is, he couldn't bring himself to take away their freedom to gain his own freedom. This is what leads him to partially compromise by destroying only 80% of the world before getting stopped. That was the best outcome he could reach in regards to his goals without having to take away his friends' freedom. But if his friends hadn't made the choice to stop him, he would have kept going. Sadly, even that way, he still ends up causing some of his friends' death. And that's why he ultimately boils down his inability to find any other way as him being "an idiot with too much power", whether that's a fair assessment or not. The future cannot be changed because Eren is unable to change who he is and what he desires. He is "a slave to freedom". Also, something to keep in mind, based on his dialogues with Historia and Ramzi prior to the Rumbling, he doesn't seem to know that his friends will choose to stop him at these points. Before he unlocks the Founding Titan, he's only able to see glimpses of the future from within his father's memories and Grisha clearly didn't seem to think Eren would be stopped.
Ultimately, I think Eren's character represents the danger of fatalism. Eren's inability to change who he is and the fact that he literally cannot see any other possibility than the future he sees cause him to act in a way that makes this very future a reality. Even if he had completely wiped out the outside world, reality ultimately wouldn't have changed : humans will always finding reasons to fight each other, because it's kill or be killed. They'll do just like Eren, because that's just the truth of this world, right?
On the other hand, Armin and the Survey Corps couldn't give up on trying to change things, no matter how dangerous and futile it seemed to be. As Historia said at the end : "This world is an outcome wrought by all of our choices". If it wasn't for them making the choice to stop Eren, there would be no hope for things to change. I think that what the story is trying to do by showing us Paradis getting destroyed and conflict continuing in the future, is dare us to keep hoping that we can change things in spite of all that. Seeing this result, it's easy to give into fatalism, to think that all efforts were for nothing and it's not worth trying (and I'm sad seeing so much people seemingly only taking that away from the ending, despite Isayama's dialogue additions in Armin's talk with Eren and Historia's letter in the anime). Sure, this ending doesn't give us a magical answer on how to be free from conflict, but it's okay. After all, we haven't found this answer in real life either. But I think it does give us a potential path to follow. It tells us that conflict is ultimately the result of some of life's biological mechanisms, such as fear, controlling us for the meaningless goal of ensuring the survival of our species and multiplying. One way that may allow us to be free from conflict, is to be aware of the forces that control us and try to not let ourselves be controlled by them. What gave birth to the Power of the Titans in that moment when Ymir fell into that tree was her fear, her desire for an immortal body. But the kid we see at the end seems different. He's not entering that tree under the control of fear, but seemingly curiosity, a desire to understand things. What will be born out of this?
Very underrated comment, laid it all out clearly for everyone. After watching Vinland Saga I had the same perspective on this show and ending.
Couldn't have said it better. That's exactly how I interpreted it after some deep thoughts. If you take it at surface level, it's complete nonsense but when you look deep into it and let it marinate a bit, it makes so much more sense. It was an amazing concept that was just executed poorly, but I understand because it's a finale where Yams wanted to fit everything into limited pages(for the manga ending) and an hour(for the anime), plus I am sure he just wanted to wrap things up and be done with it.
Thanks for explaining that "I don't know" part, your reading of it makes sense to me. I and others were just reading it wrong i guess lol. But also the further analysis you give is really good as well, love the points about fatalism and working towards the best outcome even if the future seems set. + Being aware of the forces that drive us towards conflict has always felt like an important aspect of the series to me. The way you frame the kid finding the tree at the very end is also very interesting, there's a lot of potential there
I am mostly disappointed with the abandoned setup that Isayama seems to have set up but abandoned in a last moment change. There is excellent analysis out there showing the thematic connection between Historia and Ymir and the whole pregnancy subplot clearly setting Historia up to be central part of the ending, but unfortunately she was relegated to just another puppet queen to replace the puppet king.
That's something i could've brought up in the video; I've felt for all parts of the final season that Historia has been underutilized and this finale didn't really solve that. I'm fine with her not being that important as the rest of the story is interesting enough to me but it does feel strange to have some kind of loose threads left over with her
Your illiteracy and inability to pico up red herrings os not isayamas problem. Stop trying to make people hate the ending just because they disagree with you
I've been asking this question in many places for a while but so far, I received no answers. Between the centuries of peace brought to Paradis by the Rumbling and a roughly century of peace brought to Paradis by joining the Allies in the Marley Mid-East War, what will you choose? The reason why I asked this because of the ending of Attack on Titan, of course. Does is matter how long that peace lasted as long as those from Eren's generation managed to live long like he wanted.
Also, just like how many peoples started wars in order to obtain peace and secured society, so does making sacrifices. If Paradis government that is run by the Yeagerists decided to cooperate by demanding that Reiner, Annie and Pieck must be handed to them in order to be put on "trials" and executed for their war crimes against Paradis to secure a peace treaty with Marley, Hizuru, the Mid-East Eyalets and the other nations, what will Armin, Jean and Connie do it? Sure, Historia can objected but since she is just a figurehead, I suspected that the Yeagerists-appointed Minister President is most likely the one with all executive powers on Paradis. Heck, the Yeagerists might even forced her to sign a constitution to make Paradis a constitional monarchy instead of an absolute one like it used to be.
By the way, what do you think of my comparison between Hange and Armin to Count Dooku that I was talking about in the previous video? Do you think I made a right choice to compare them to the former Jedi who became the Head of State of the Separatists Alliance?
And personally, I like everything about the ending, especially when Eren admitted that he himself is an idiot. If he or someone else suggested the idea of joining the Allies in the Marley Mid-East War, the one who came up with such an idea is anything but an idiot in my view. Talking with Marley? Now, that is idiotic idea because Marley is nothing but a bully that like to do whatever it wanted. This is why I don't like Hange and Armin after the timeskip. The fact that they came up with an idea of talking with a bully just shown how much naive and idealistic they are. Bullies only speak one language and that is violence. But back to Eren, he is just as idiotic as they are from the certain point of view of mine because he did the Rumbling not solely out of the idea of protecting his loved ones but also because he wanted to see the world in Armin's book, where everything he witnessed is free, in real life. And this is why he is an idiot here. While Hange and Armin are idiots in thinking a negotiation with a bully like Marley is possible, Eren is an idiot in desiring for a world where hatred and conflict do not existed and everything and everyone is free. And all that they desired are ultimately impossible.
Ultimately, this ended up circling back to the idea of Paradis joined Marley Mid-East War as a member of the Allies. After all, its outcome that which is Paradis and Marley ended up having the cold relations for roughly a century similar to the one between Britain and Russia in our world back during the 19th century is the most politically realistic outcome. Of course, there are more than just that. So if you wanted me to expand on it, let me know. In fact, I already said it in the previous video's comment. But if you wanted to hear it again in order to analyze and think about it, I will say it again.
One more thing, why do you think peoples who come to watch Attack on Titan wanted Cinderella's ending so much? I called it as such because I saw many peoples usd to call out that Eren achieved nothing because Paradis got bombed centuries later. I don't know what they wanted but it seemed to me they wanted eternal peace, something that is clearly impossible. Speaking of which, why we humans always pursued the goals that are largely impossible to achieve so much?
@@Delta_2512 I've seen this pattern ever since I studied history. For example, the Jurchen people rose up against the Great Liao of the Khitans, overthrow them and establish the Great Jin. And then, they expanded into the Great Song's territories, reducing it to just the southern territories only. The more popular example is how Russia came to be. Before Russia became Russia, it was known as the Kievan Rus'. And then, the Mongols, known to the Rus' as the Tatars, arrived, conquered them and made the Rus' princes the vassals of the Khans of the Golden Horde. And for roughly a century, they remained under the Mongols' rule. But as the Golden Horde grew weaker due to internal divisions and civil wars, the Russian princes became politically and economically stronger. Then one day, Grand Prince Ivan III of Moscow decided to stop paying tributes to the Khan of the Golden Horde, which ultimately led to the Great Stand at the Ugra River. And it resulted in the end of Moscow's status as a vassal of the Mongol Khans and its very first step to become one of Europe's major powers. And ever since then, the Golden Horde kept disintergrating until it was split into multiple Khanates. And these small Tatar Khanates became easy preys for the expansion of the Grand Duchy of Moscow, which later soon became the Tsardom of Russia when Ivan IV proclaimed himself the Tsar of All Russia. Soon enough, the Tsardom expanded beyond the Ural Mountains and went deep further into Alaska on the North American continent, subjugating all tribes they encountered on the way there.
So you see now? Marley is no different from the nations such as the Great Jin and the Tsardom of Russia in our world. They started their conquests of expansion for revenge and the desire to protect their homes. But soon, the hunger for more powers took the center on the stage while revenge became nothing but an excuse. So tell me this. Does Marley really wanted to invade Paradis just to protect the world from the Founding Titan? Or did they do it to maintain their international dominance?
Thanks for the vid. I read the manga while it was in serialization and the ending conversation between eren and armin seemed out of left field. Eren's drive and viewpoint on the world seemed to be focused on attaining freedom from the islanders doomed existence. So to have him chalk up his decision to initiate the rumbling based on some bizzare cuckold fetish felt like a complete character assassination. Isayama also stated in an interview that the ending he wrote for Shingeki no Kyojin was influenced by a fetish manga he read and that he regretted it. It's an interesting point though that you make that the eren in the conversation wasn't the eren in material reality and more of a 4th dimensional entity. That would certainly make the scene make more sense. I felt the ending left a bad taste in my mouth but I am aware that I am one of those edgelord rumbling enjoyers so i understand why my own bias might lean that way. Good analysis vid my dude.
YO WHAT do you have a link or something for that Isayama interview 😭 i need to see this for myself lmao. anyways glad you liked the video
I only read the manga as for the ending, because the ending disgusted me and made me lose interest in the series altogether.
I think the last chapter is especially awful but by far the worst aspect that I think is barely addressed in your video, is every revelation concerning Ymir.
The twist of Ymir being in love with the King is terrible.
It not only pretty much retcon the very understandable feeling of rage and injustice felt during her flashback in chap 122 (which was the highest point of the series).
This change like a domino effect makes the rest of the series worse both in a thematic sense (basically Mikasa is a slave of love, but there's a huge difference between love and the slavery/holocaust motif that was going on right ?).
But also Ymir is on a story stand point the pillar that makes the story stand together.
She's the reason the story begins and ends, her feeling and status as a slave matters, the entire stakes of titans existing is bind to her being a slave to the King's will/agency.
This twist only purpose is to create a artificial narrative link between Mikasa and Ymir while destroying the link between Ymir and Eren about destroying walls/being free etc...
Eren plan doesn't make any bit of sense either. If he's a slave of fate and doesn't have agency what is the point of the entire series ? What is Eren's character ?
Why does the ending changes something so simple yet effective of "freedom at what cost" in a situation so desperate.
Also I think the ending is accidentally fascist. When the heroes are so lame and hypocrite they themselves admit Zieke's plan was the best outcome, or character like Floch who are total fash have better arguments for what and why they are doing than the main cast is a sign Isayama isn't perfect and jumble up.
I also really don't like how he didn't have the guts to cut the main trio's friendship.
Like genocide is rough but not being friends anymore is going too far ?
Why do people forget Eren force them to kill ex comrads that became Yeagerists when they were leaving paradise to catch up to the rumbling.
I have lot and looooot of others issues with the last chapter.
But I don't want to get fatigued to a series I used to love.
I have my reason to think the editors have something to do with how the series turned out in the end (I was in Angoulême this year and close to staff members, they told me how much Kodonsha didn't want any interview asking questions about the ending)
But out of everything, I think the Ymir stockholm syndrome shit is the most indefensible.
>It not only pretty much retcon the very understandable feeling of rage and injustice felt during her flashback in chap 122 (which was the highest point of the series).
Not that I disagree with the twist of Ymir being in love with King Fritz being weird, but it's not like that interpretation of Ymir's motivation for helping Eren destroy the world made any more sense to begin with, if you really think about it. If Ymir was doing it out of rage at the way she was treated by King Fritz and the Eldian Empire, why the hell would she want to just destroy the outside world who has only been a victim to her powers, while sparing the "New Eldian Empire"? That would literally be fulfilling og Fritz's wish to have his Titans dominate the world. The only way it would have made some sense is if Ymir had decided to destroy only Paradis, or the whole world INCLUDING Paradis.
So yeah, while I'm not really satisfied with what it actually turned out to be (or at least the way it's presented and tied to the overall story, I feel like something similar could have been done without the "she loved King Fritz" aspect), it never could have been what you said either.
@@tenroku8751 she was giving her powers to Eren after he gave her the agency of doing something "not as a slave or as a god".
There were a popular theory of Ymir reincarnating in Historia's baby. I don't care about shippers saying its eren's kid or smth but it'll would wrapped up Historia's and the other Ymir's relationship better.
I think the entire world being destroyed for a child would be a fitting ending to the "this world is cruel but beautiful" catch line