I met Luke last year at a fundraiser to help him tour at a local course. I couldn’t play the tournament but I still paid to support. He signed a disc and took a photo with my 4 yr old son. Now my son, a year later, says Luke is his favorite, gets excited when he’s on tv and says he wants to be a professional disc golfer. Also met his dad a couple times, that family is super humble and proud of their accomplishments. Great people.
Brodie looks so dumb for this one. It does not need to be reworded. Learn what the word intentional means. If Calvin was trying to move Calvin’s disc into a further or more difficult position than the rule is applicable. However the real question they should be asking is: should you be automatically stroked for picking up another players disc
Brodie is correct,..he intentionally picked it up, by accident, but he reached down to intentionally pick up a disc. Period. 🤷🏾♂️ It wasn’t makicious, but that’s not what the rule says. In a court of law, Brodie would win this argument.
1:17:08 that was the most disgusted Calvin gets 😂. I think it was Jerm that said something like Calvin always looks tired with some boredom in mixed in. Also love Simon and Isaac trying to hold back laughter.
Silas or Brodie, I am hoping one of you will see this. Is it possible that a big concern with microphones of guests is due to Apple adding the ability to adjust the Microphone's Mode? I work for a small business in smartphone wholesale and we have to explain this feature to many customer's (even my own family) to make the change from Standard to Voice Isolation. It makes a WORLD of difference when people switch between the two and especially if they happen to have Wide Spectrum turned on.
Dude Brodies intention argument is absolutely crazy. Even if you step on a disc, you're moving your feet WITH INTENTION. By his logic there is nothing you could do unintentionally. It's fine to have an ambiguous rule like this because how else would you draw the line. Jeez.
You're kidding right? Having ambiguous rules is the opposite of drawing the line. They need to clean up the rules, and need them less ambiguous, make them more clear. That would help draw the line. If a golfer plays the wrong ball, he's penalized, unintentional or not. That's a line. That's clear. That's what disc golf needs badly.
@@TimTimsTim my point is a rule is a rule, if I accidentally double dribble, turnover. If I accidentally move someone else's golf ball, it's a penalty. Those are clear rules. You do this, you get this. People say it's stupid to sign an incorrect scorecard and get DQ'd....but those are the rules, and it's up to the player to be aware of them. If rules were less ambiguous, it will help grow the sport and be taken more seriously.
The thing Brodie was trying to say, for those of you who didn’t understand his point, is that INTENTIONAL doesn’t equal MALICIOUS. Brodie wasn’t questioning Cals character, he was saying his brain cells told his arm to move to the right and pick up a disc off the ground. I literally see both sides here and agree the rule is bad.
I’ve got no skin in the game but people judging his intentions through their mind reading and behavioural studies abilities rather than his actions is classic disc golf.
I agree with brodie on the picked up disc debate here. I think he was very correct just articulated his point poorly. Paul surprised me with this with him being such of a “rules guy”
I honestly think Calvin L. should’ve been penalized or stroked for picking up Heimburg’s disc. It was an honest mistake, wasn’t intentional or malicious, but rules are rules. No different from a disc rolling and hitting another players bag, although it wasn’t intentional, the player who’s bag obstructed the rolling disc would be stroked. Same principle, and if he were to get penalized for it I think we all know he’d be sure not to make that mistake again haha
I think what Brodie is saying is that the disc was picked up with intention, which can still be an accident. I also think that as the game develops I wouldn’t be against someone in Lonnquist’s position being penalized. However, I don’t blame them for letting it go and moving past it.
So if a player lines up across the line in football and a flag gets throw. Is it excused because he wasn’t paying attention? Nope. They call him on breaking the rule and give him the penalty.. I’m with Brodie.. pay attention or get stroked.. 🖕🏻😂
Brodie is right on the disc pick up and uli argues like a 10 year old. You can’t tell if he meant to pick it up just by his facial expression with 100% certainty but he did pick it up so it should be a penalty. How bout we hold the player accountable for being aware on the course, I bet if he got a penalty it wouldn’t happen again in the future.
I've seen a player push a disc a bit further from the basket as he was walking up to his lie so that disc didn't win the CTP. The Calvins situation was in now way intentional as there was no upside with everyone watching and the lie was next to the basket.
@@rb7brady unless you’re Jake Wolff, you don’t get to complain about that as a pro. He has the most wear and tear, as regular disc golf throws are generally less intense than a tomahawk or baseball pitch. I take your point tho
Holyn also won that play off at BSF. That carries a little more weight than straight up winning I think. Pretty dramatic last hole to push the play off too. She’s definitely one of the best putters in FPO. She can hit C2 putts well. Ohn is the only who does it better I think. Holyn has better distance just needs to keep it in bounds. If she can hit her putts + keep it inbounds, I think she could win most events.
sleep is so so so important… for muscle growth, fat loss, mental clarity etc…. way more important than jogging… if it’s sleep vs. 4am jog: pick the sleep
Toboggan is a great course, but almost every FPO hole is a tweener hole. That includes the par 3s. There are very few birdies on par 3s out there, and a lot of birdies on par 4's. Ohn won last year without a single birdie on a par 3. They need to do a better job deciding when a shorter or longer tee makes sense vs an alternate basket. They really need to use more alternate baskets for FPO. It's very difficult to make the hole play perfectly as designed for both FPO and MPO. Landing zones are sometimes not going to work as intended but distances can. But you can't go crazy with the distance. Design a layout that gives the top 15 FPO players a at least a small chance. You'll always have an advantage if you throw further, but the majority of courses shouldn't only be the top 3 players have a chance due to distance. It's a different depth of field situation than MPO.
When you guys are talking about these courses and specific holes, are you able to play a video of it like a hole preview from Jomez? All of these places have been filmed a million times, the content is out there. I know it would take more work for your producer but it would be really awesome to watch as a viewer who doesn’t know the course.
@@Nofacefarmz they can play the video and have the guests in the background other channels do it all the time. I’m not dissing on them, I love their channel, my comment was meant to be a constructive critique.
@@Daniel5.14 yea ik you didn’t mean it in a bad way, just a bit of a redundant question / thing to say because they clearly know that, and as you said, sometimes they do sometimes they don’t. Almost like it’s based on if Silas is there and able to do so..
I really appreciate Holyn’s candidness on the state of the FPO. I’m in a unique situation where life allowed me to travel to a good amount of Tour events (18) in the past couple of years. When I first started coming to events I would commit equal time and energy to the FPO and MPO. As time went on my interest for the FPO wained solely because of the uninspired putting. It just became taxing watching final rounds where nobody seemed capable of seizing the moment. This year I’ve only really followed the women on Sundays. At the end of the day though, imo the best way to view disc golf is during the FPO rounds. Way easier to find sight lines, the players are all extremely friendly and accessible, and the style of play is closer to mine (minus the women out throwing me by 200 feet). I’m hopeful that true athletes like Handley can continue to push the sport forward.
The word intention needs to be removed from the rule, or intention needs to be defined more clearly. It was for sure am honest mistake and he didn't need to be stroked.
It shouldn't matter if he picked up the disc. It was a mistake, and a player can pick up their own disc, walk to their new lie, decide they don't like it, decide to rethrow from a previous lie and have the group agree on where the lie was. Yes there is a stroke penalty, but it's for abandoning the new lie, not for moving the disc from the previous lie. No different if someone else picks up your discs.
Brodie has it right that should be considered intentional when he picks up the disc. Of course maybe he didn’t maliciously pick up the disc but it happened. I also think to big jerms view of instinct vs intention they are the same
Lonnquist did not intend to pick up Heimburg's disc. He intentionally picked up a disc, yes, and that is what Brodie is arguing, but he didn't realize he picked up Heimburg's disc. That makes it unintentional.
Jerm saying krokhol is a better course because it’s not driver off the tee the whole time is funny because krokhol is one of the longest courses that they play lol
Since McBeth played that stretch on the European Tour a couple of years ago, I’ve preferred watching those courses (with our players). Seeing players intentionally shaping fairway drivers and playing for skips is far more interesting to me.
I've always thought that landscape edging would make the best ob lines for disc golf. You definitely are not moving something like that and very easy to interpret in our out of bounds.
Have you seen Vampire Diaries? Luke Taylor sounds exactly like one of the main characters brother! The dudes name on the show is Jeremy. He sounds dead on that dude lol!!!
1:20:00 I understand where Brodie is coming from because it’s hard to truly define what is done intentionally and unintentionally. Obviously I believe Calvin didn’t truly do it intentionally but at what point do you draw the line to consider it intentionally.
There's no question whether or not the disc was moved intentionally. It was moved intentionally. The only question is whether he moved someone else's disc intentionally. Giving the benefit of the doubt because I do think it was an honest mistake, he didn't move another player's disc intentionally, yet it accidentally was another player's disc that he moved intentionally.
If the rule, different from law, doesn't require or define a culpable mental state for the action of moving the other person's disc, he is guilty. A law would require that the disc was moved intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly.......... He obviously intentionally picked up the disc, regardless of knowing if it was his or not......... Gotta love the gray areas of rules and law.
Brodie is not wrong. Disc golf confuses the word unintentional with erroneous. Calvin did intentionally grab the disc. He was erroneous in thinking it was his. Just rewrite the rule.
22 years experience doing medical massage therapy and 296 sanctioned events played. Happy to contribute my strong opinions on players’ commitment, or lack there of, to medical massage. Message me if interested. Only one tour player came in for dglo bodywork and based on his finish it helped tremendously. Why don’t more players get bodywork from seasoned professionals when available?
Sustainability...do we need all these players on tour? So we need so many events? Get rid of bottom half of field and move DGPT and DGPT + series to once every 3 weeks. Off weekends filled with FPO event week 1 and Q series week 2 .
Look at disc, reach for disc, grab disc. Not sure how that is not intentional... I agree with Brodie. Just because he regretted doing it, or it was a mistake, doesn't mean the action wasn't intentional.
With the current wording of the rule, 100% with Brodie. The rule doesn't state anything about it being an accident. It says if you intentionally move another player's disc. That's the criteria. So, two questions: did Calvin intentionally move the disc? Yes. He consciously bent down, reached over, and grabbed the disc. This is indisputable. There is no possible argument to claim he did not pick up the disc. Was that disk another players? Again the answer is yes. This is a non-debatable fact. The fact that it was an accident is irrelevant. He intentionally moved a disc that belonged to another player that was currently in play. A disc in a bag is not in play, otherwise every single player would receive strokes every time they move their bag.... That was a really dumb example. A hole is completed once the disc is in the basket, so a disc that is in the basket is no longer in play, because the hole is completed. Another bad example. So there is no rational defense for arguing against this qualifying for a penalty. But the biggest takeaway is that like so many rules in the PDGA, the wording is terrible and ambiguous, and they need to rewrite them to make them clear.
I don’t fully agree with Brodie but his point makes sense and Paul is citing a bunch of irrelevant examples. Intentional and accidental leave room for interpretation. Say this was the last hole Calvin has an easy 25 footer for the win and to mess with his head Ricky picks up his disc plays dumb then gets put back in a similar spot messes with Calvin’s head but he acts like it’s a mistake so everyone has to guess his intent? Rules shouldn’t involve wording that’s up to interpretation. I do not think Calvin intentionally did it but even if it’s an accident it should still be a penalty. Bad throws are accidents and still penalized within the rules.
Exactly. Breaking a rule is breaking a rule whether you intended to break the rule or accidentally broke the rule. If you thought the speed limit was 55 and it was actually 45 and you get pulled over going 55, you were speeding whether you were doing it intentionally or not.
I do enjoy the fun courses more, but my thoughts on the toll that playing takes on the body are simple. He mentions you have to get out there and practice the courses over and over. The damage comes from the practice rounds. They are throwing multiple rounds of multiple shots off every tee. This will never happen, but the solution is for the pro tour to limit the amount of time each player can spend on the course practicing and/or limit their practice rounds. No one is going to care if the players are a tiny bit less dialed in and they will all have had the same practice time so it would be fair. This should apply to any course on the pro tour regardless of design.
45:25 I don't think all holes need to be viewable. VIPs get to follow the card and then have 3 or 4 holes put in temp bleachers or bring your own chairs for viewing and sell tickets for GA viewing on those holes. No random spectators on the other holes.
Honestly Paul is fine with the floor I guess and that’s his opinion but after hearing holyn talk about it I’m back on Brodie’s side it’s not selfish at all you want to see the best play
Nah, brodie is right. His intentions don't matter, he moved the disc that was not his and altered where it was. It may have been a mistake, but not an accident, he knowingly grabbed the disc, it was just the wrong disc
Line gate. Gannon was pulling the line from the wrong point, to his advantage. It wasn't that it looked out. It was that he was moving the line incorrectly. Luckily Calvin called him on it. The guy is the best player in the world. He shouldn't need to cheat or take 60 seconds to throw.
How about rewriting the rule to “you get penalized for picking up another players disc while in play”, remove the word intentional. Then Uli’s case saying “his facial expression didn’t look intentional” wouldn’t be valid. It’s so goofy to defend the rule because a player had a certain expression.
But he moved a disc intentionally. That's like accidentally playing from the wrong lie. You absolutely intended to throw from that lie, but you were incorrect on where the lie was.
Part of sports is concentrating on the game. If you “touch” a disc that’s in play you’ve distracted the player! That’s a penalty. Period! FPO is FAR better in the last three years, because of Tatar. Period! European courses, tee pads, course grooming and spectator space is FAR better. Courses must have a combination of woods, elevation, distance, inclination on putting greens, spectator space, professional camera crew placements, etc. Period! PDGA SUCKS! Period! Why no mention of the dog costumes and the insult to our sport allowed without penalty by the PDGT? Period!
Uli saying bose headphones dont connect the mic is wildly untrue. They have an amazing mic. Like any headphones you have to select that in whatever program as the mic. Uli doesn't know tech
I think the physicality of the course argument is pretty lame. Almost no pros treat their bodies as if they are professional athletes. If you do that, you can throw 500 every hole (if you can throw 500). Also, the rounds are taking 4 hours, so you have lots of breaks
Regarding the FPO bad look, Roll Away Hill was a terrible course design especially for FPO. That course was designed for a bomber who could keep it in bounds with very tight greens. So much so that that bomber doesn't even need to be able to putt from 10 feet. They just shouldn't have layouts like that for FPO. The depth of field for that type of bomber is just too small. You can say women should be better putters but that doesn't change anything. Make courses that the top 15 players can compete at. Not the top 3 or 4.
You can’t possibly have played sports and can’t think of any situation where you need to ice your arm. Why do you think physios/ medics carry cool spray.
@@leastselfawarepotassium he is talking about during game bro nobody ices their arm during the game or sporting event unless you’re finished buddy come on bro 🤣🤣🤣 the entire point of pitchers having a make shift bandage or sleeve around their throwing arms DURING innings while they are sitting are 100% heating the players arm bro look it up pal
I’m regards to the FPO worlds putting fiasco- it is holyn and Kay’s fault for the bad product- ev won str8 up and holyn big time choked and kat saw the finish line and shriveled- people have to go out and win it
Once the pro tour folds, go back to post production only and only play fun courses. Problem is there will be far less money and far lest players that can afford to "tour".
Frankly professional sports are never healthy ... To achieve peak performance you compromise health you just do what you must to meet the performance level required. That being said, if you aren't regularly throwing a destroyer on a 400' hole you could pump a flippier raptor or thunderbird out to it. Frankly you don't get to complain if you aren't frequently using somewhat more disc than you need to reach holes. Truly I don't know many people who don't lean on slower discs for speed control. And theoretically saving the arm the most is using whatever disc will get there easiest. So I think it's a compromise between performance and longevity often. That being said it's making me reconsider how I should play.
37:31 come on boomer get that technology figured out. Need your grandkid to come over to show you how to pod? J/k nothing but love for Big Jerm and I am older than he is....
I met Luke last year at a fundraiser to help him tour at a local course. I couldn’t play the tournament but I still paid to support. He signed a disc and took a photo with my 4 yr old son. Now my son, a year later, says Luke is his favorite, gets excited when he’s on tv and says he wants to be a professional disc golfer. Also met his dad a couple times, that family is super humble and proud of their accomplishments. Great people.
High praise and good memories 👏🏼
They're salt of the earth people and true Americans. 🫡🇺🇸
1:20 Uli saying that people don't like long segments. Me seeing the total time is 2 and a half hours 😂
Feature Film, baby!
Got a chuckle out of Brodie and Uli arguing with each other with Jerm grinning in the middle. Great episode, great guests.
Stupidest argument I've heard in a long time so it's neat to see Jerm smiling away :D
Brodie looks so dumb for this one. It does not need to be reworded. Learn what the word intentional means. If Calvin was trying to move Calvin’s disc into a further or more difficult position than the rule is applicable.
However the real question they should be asking is: should you be automatically stroked for picking up another players disc
@@landonwebb886the rule doesn’t state anything about where the disc is moved to.
Brodie is correct,..he intentionally picked it up, by accident, but he reached down to intentionally pick up a disc. Period. 🤷🏾♂️ It wasn’t makicious, but that’s not what the rule says. In a court of law, Brodie would win this argument.
Exactly, the rule should say maliciously
1:17:08 that was the most disgusted Calvin gets 😂. I think it was Jerm that said something like Calvin always looks tired with some boredom in mixed in. Also love Simon and Isaac trying to hold back laughter.
Silas or Brodie, I am hoping one of you will see this. Is it possible that a big concern with microphones of guests is due to Apple adding the ability to adjust the Microphone's Mode? I work for a small business in smartphone wholesale and we have to explain this feature to many customer's (even my own family) to make the change from Standard to Voice Isolation. It makes a WORLD of difference when people switch between the two and especially if they happen to have Wide Spectrum turned on.
Dude Brodies intention argument is absolutely crazy. Even if you step on a disc, you're moving your feet WITH INTENTION. By his logic there is nothing you could do unintentionally. It's fine to have an ambiguous rule like this because how else would you draw the line. Jeez.
Brodie and logic don't really go well together
You're kidding right? Having ambiguous rules is the opposite of drawing the line. They need to clean up the rules, and need them less ambiguous, make them more clear. That would help draw the line. If a golfer plays the wrong ball, he's penalized, unintentional or not. That's a line. That's clear. That's what disc golf needs badly.
Its not crazy at all. You can accidentally move a disc and you can also intentionally move a disc. Those are not the same things.
Yeah it made no sense
@@TimTimsTim my point is a rule is a rule, if I accidentally double dribble, turnover. If I accidentally move someone else's golf ball, it's a penalty. Those are clear rules. You do this, you get this. People say it's stupid to sign an incorrect scorecard and get DQ'd....but those are the rules, and it's up to the player to be aware of them. If rules were less ambiguous, it will help grow the sport and be taken more seriously.
For me personally, there is nothing better than a World Champion who putts like me. Gives me hope and motivation :)
I love Jerm's idea about just using stakes and giving each group a string. Brilliant.
Jerm saying he doesn’t like backhand-shape dominated courses is so funny because almost every course is like that
Luke Taylor has a good head on his shoulders. Excited to see how his game progresses.
The thing Brodie was trying to say, for those of you who didn’t understand his point, is that INTENTIONAL doesn’t equal MALICIOUS. Brodie wasn’t questioning Cals character, he was saying his brain cells told his arm to move to the right and pick up a disc off the ground. I literally see both sides here and agree the rule is bad.
I’ve got no skin in the game but people judging his intentions through their mind reading and behavioural studies abilities rather than his actions is classic disc golf.
It's called social skills, lol.
@@OkejDatorwhat other sport uses ‘social skills’ for rulings?
@@leastselfawarepotassium All types of misconduct rulings are related to behavioural studies.
Love when big jerm hops on! I also like how yall didn’t force people out to bring someone else on. Great pod!
I agree with brodie on the picked up disc debate here. I think he was very correct just articulated his point poorly. Paul surprised me with this with him being such of a “rules guy”
Loved hearing from all the guests. Good show guys.
@@ScottSmith-vc5vf agreed! Was good to hear from Holyn Handley, Luke Taylor, and Jeremy Koling.
I honestly think Calvin L. should’ve been penalized or stroked for picking up Heimburg’s disc. It was an honest mistake, wasn’t intentional or malicious, but rules are rules. No different from a disc rolling and hitting another players bag, although it wasn’t intentional, the player who’s bag obstructed the rolling disc would be stroked. Same principle, and if he were to get penalized for it I think we all know he’d be sure not to make that mistake again haha
I think what Brodie is saying is that the disc was picked up with intention, which can still be an accident. I also think that as the game develops I wouldn’t be against someone in Lonnquist’s position being penalized. However, I don’t blame them for letting it go and moving past it.
Great guests. Thx to them for coming on. Nice!
So if a player lines up across the line in football and a flag gets throw. Is it excused because he wasn’t paying attention? Nope. They call him on breaking the rule and give him the penalty.. I’m with Brodie.. pay attention or get stroked.. 🖕🏻😂
Can’t call out the FPO on their bad putts and completely let a player slide on picking up another players disc mid hole Uli. 😂
Part 2 of "Brodie chooses ANOTHER random hill to die on and Uli obliges."
Brodie is right on the disc pick up and uli argues like a 10 year old. You can’t tell if he meant to pick it up just by his facial expression with 100% certainty but he did pick it up so it should be a penalty. How bout we hold the player accountable for being aware on the course, I bet if he got a penalty it wouldn’t happen again in the future.
And I love uli but that was hard to watch as a fan.
“It the intent Brodie..” instant classic
When Uli says “Brody” at the end of his statement, you know he’s getting heated😂
13:30 a 5 on 5 mini series filmed by one of the dg companies is an absolute must. Maybe GKPro could film it like their golf series with Luke
I've seen a player push a disc a bit further from the basket as he was walking up to his lie so that disc didn't win the CTP. The Calvins situation was in now way intentional as there was no upside with everyone watching and the lie was next to the basket.
Uli’s got a good point with baseball players playing almost every day but disc golfers not doing squat lol
Most baseball players don’t throw the ball 50+ times a game. The ones that do get 4 games off.
@@rb7brady unless you’re Jake Wolff, you don’t get to complain about that as a pro. He has the most wear and tear, as regular disc golf throws are generally less intense than a tomahawk or baseball pitch. I take your point tho
These rants crack me up. It's great to see both views
I do love how Brodie wil always always stand his ground and I like how big jerm was here to help but Brodie is wrong
Holyn also won that play off at BSF. That carries a little more weight than straight up winning I think. Pretty dramatic last hole to push the play off too. She’s definitely one of the best putters in FPO. She can hit C2 putts well. Ohn is the only who does it better I think. Holyn has better distance just needs to keep it in bounds. If she can hit her putts + keep it inbounds, I think she could win most events.
thanks for the dlgo recap :)
sleep is so so so important… for muscle growth, fat loss, mental clarity etc…. way more important than jogging… if it’s sleep vs. 4am jog: pick the sleep
Jocko would disagree
Toboggan is a great course, but almost every FPO hole is a tweener hole. That includes the par 3s. There are very few birdies on par 3s out there, and a lot of birdies on par 4's. Ohn won last year without a single birdie on a par 3. They need to do a better job deciding when a shorter or longer tee makes sense vs an alternate basket. They really need to use more alternate baskets for FPO. It's very difficult to make the hole play perfectly as designed for both FPO and MPO. Landing zones are sometimes not going to work as intended but distances can. But you can't go crazy with the distance. Design a layout that gives the top 15 FPO players a at least a small chance. You'll always have an advantage if you throw further, but the majority of courses shouldn't only be the top 3 players have a chance due to distance. It's a different depth of field situation than MPO.
Hell yes I am so fucking excited for Luke Taylor !!!
When you guys are talking about these courses and specific holes, are you able to play a video of it like a hole preview from Jomez? All of these places have been filmed a million times, the content is out there. I know it would take more work for your producer but it would be really awesome to watch as a viewer who doesn’t know the course.
They often have Silas throw up graphics of whatever their talking about brotha!
@Nofacefarmz that’s great, but not this time lol and this would have been a really great video to do it on
@@Daniel5.14 yea tough when the screen is taken up by guests ! Just know they always do their best !
@@Nofacefarmz they can play the video and have the guests in the background other channels do it all the time. I’m not dissing on them, I love their channel, my comment was meant to be a constructive critique.
@@Daniel5.14 yea ik you didn’t mean it in a bad way, just a bit of a redundant question / thing to say because they clearly know that, and as you said, sometimes they do sometimes they don’t. Almost like it’s based on if Silas is there and able to do so..
Got my ULI Horse hoodie ordered for fall golf 💪
I really appreciate Holyn’s candidness on the state of the FPO.
I’m in a unique situation where life allowed me to travel to a good amount of Tour events (18) in the past couple of years.
When I first started coming to events I would commit equal time and energy to the FPO and MPO. As time went on my interest for the FPO wained solely because of the uninspired putting. It just became taxing watching final rounds where nobody seemed capable of seizing the moment. This year I’ve only really followed the women on Sundays.
At the end of the day though, imo the best way to view disc golf is during the FPO rounds. Way easier to find sight lines, the players are all extremely friendly and accessible, and the style of play is closer to mine (minus the women out throwing me by 200 feet). I’m hopeful that true athletes like Handley can continue to push the sport forward.
Look out! This kid has it all!
Uli arguing that "every disc in your bag is in play"...lmao brother what??
The word intention needs to be removed from the rule, or intention needs to be defined more clearly. It was for sure am honest mistake and he didn't need to be stroked.
It shouldn't matter if he picked up the disc. It was a mistake, and a player can pick up their own disc, walk to their new lie, decide they don't like it, decide to rethrow from a previous lie and have the group agree on where the lie was. Yes there is a stroke penalty, but it's for abandoning the new lie, not for moving the disc from the previous lie. No different if someone else picks up your discs.
@uli, pitcher don’t ice their arms every inning😂😂 they wear jackets when they come in the dugout, staying warm is quite the opposite than icing lol
Brodie has it right that should be considered intentional when he picks up the disc. Of course maybe he didn’t maliciously pick up the disc but it happened. I also think to big jerms view of instinct vs intention they are the same
Lonnquist did not intend to pick up Heimburg's disc. He intentionally picked up a disc, yes, and that is what Brodie is arguing, but he didn't realize he picked up Heimburg's disc. That makes it unintentional.
Jerm saying krokhol is a better course because it’s not driver off the tee the whole time is funny because krokhol is one of the longest courses that they play lol
Since McBeth played that stretch on the European Tour a couple of years ago, I’ve preferred watching those courses (with our players). Seeing players intentionally shaping fairway drivers and playing for skips is far more interesting to me.
I've always thought that landscape edging would make the best ob lines for disc golf. You definitely are not moving something like that and very easy to interpret in our out of bounds.
First time is a warning. Touch the disc again is a stroke
I have to say Brody flipped me on the disc pickup but it might just be Uli having the worse analogy ever 😂 jk I don’t think Calvin deserved 2 strokes
Have you seen Vampire Diaries? Luke Taylor sounds exactly like one of the main characters brother! The dudes name on the show is Jeremy. He sounds dead on that dude lol!!!
1:20:00 I understand where Brodie is coming from because it’s hard to truly define what is done intentionally and unintentionally. Obviously I believe Calvin didn’t truly do it intentionally but at what point do you draw the line to consider it intentionally.
There's no question whether or not the disc was moved intentionally. It was moved intentionally. The only question is whether he moved someone else's disc intentionally. Giving the benefit of the doubt because I do think it was an honest mistake, he didn't move another player's disc intentionally, yet it accidentally was another player's disc that he moved intentionally.
If the rule, different from law, doesn't require or define a culpable mental state for the action of moving the other person's disc, he is guilty. A law would require that the disc was moved intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly.......... He obviously intentionally picked up the disc, regardless of knowing if it was his or not......... Gotta love the gray areas of rules and law.
Brodie is not wrong. Disc golf confuses the word unintentional with erroneous.
Calvin did intentionally grab the disc. He was erroneous in thinking it was his.
Just rewrite the rule.
22 years experience doing medical massage therapy and 296 sanctioned events played. Happy to contribute my strong opinions on players’ commitment, or lack there of, to medical massage. Message me if interested. Only one tour player came in for dglo bodywork and based on his finish it helped tremendously. Why don’t more players get bodywork from seasoned professionals when available?
Sustainability...do we need all these players on tour? So we need so many events? Get rid of bottom half of field and move DGPT and DGPT + series to once every 3 weeks. Off weekends filled with FPO event week 1 and Q series week 2 .
Look at disc, reach for disc, grab disc. Not sure how that is not intentional... I agree with Brodie.
Just because he regretted doing it, or it was a mistake, doesn't mean the action wasn't intentional.
With the current wording of the rule, 100% with Brodie. The rule doesn't state anything about it being an accident. It says if you intentionally move another player's disc. That's the criteria. So, two questions: did Calvin intentionally move the disc? Yes. He consciously bent down, reached over, and grabbed the disc. This is indisputable. There is no possible argument to claim he did not pick up the disc. Was that disk another players? Again the answer is yes. This is a non-debatable fact. The fact that it was an accident is irrelevant. He intentionally moved a disc that belonged to another player that was currently in play. A disc in a bag is not in play, otherwise every single player would receive strokes every time they move their bag.... That was a really dumb example. A hole is completed once the disc is in the basket, so a disc that is in the basket is no longer in play, because the hole is completed. Another bad example. So there is no rational defense for arguing against this qualifying for a penalty. But the biggest takeaway is that like so many rules in the PDGA, the wording is terrible and ambiguous, and they need to rewrite them to make them clear.
Keep it on the DLGO
Make marking mandatory inside the circle.
I don’t fully agree with Brodie but his point makes sense and Paul is citing a bunch of irrelevant examples. Intentional and accidental leave room for interpretation. Say this was the last hole Calvin has an easy 25 footer for the win and to mess with his head Ricky picks up his disc plays dumb then gets put back in a similar spot messes with Calvin’s head but he acts like it’s a mistake so everyone has to guess his intent? Rules shouldn’t involve wording that’s up to interpretation. I do not think Calvin intentionally did it but even if it’s an accident it should still be a penalty. Bad throws are accidents and still penalized within the rules.
This.
Exactly. Breaking a rule is breaking a rule whether you intended to break the rule or accidentally broke the rule. If you thought the speed limit was 55 and it was actually 45 and you get pulled over going 55, you were speeding whether you were doing it intentionally or not.
Eagle is one of the more active with his health
If another players rolling disc hits your bag, is that intentional on you?
I do enjoy the fun courses more, but my thoughts on the toll that playing takes on the body are simple. He mentions you have to get out there and practice the courses over and over. The damage comes from the practice rounds. They are throwing multiple rounds of multiple shots off every tee. This will never happen, but the solution is for the pro tour to limit the amount of time each player can spend on the course practicing and/or limit their practice rounds. No one is going to care if the players are a tiny bit less dialed in and they will all have had the same practice time so it would be fair. This should apply to any course on the pro tour regardless of design.
If you touch someone else’s disc, penalty, Intentionally or unintentionally, penalty.
45:25 I don't think all holes need to be viewable. VIPs get to follow the card and then have 3 or 4 holes put in temp bleachers or bring your own chairs for viewing and sell tickets for GA viewing on those holes. No random spectators on the other holes.
Can't you guys use a call in number as a backup? Audio only? That's what we do in business
Honestly Paul is fine with the floor I guess and that’s his opinion but after hearing holyn talk about it I’m back on Brodie’s side it’s not selfish at all you want to see the best play
Seeing Luke at dglo was awesome he rips it
The spread out tee times was trash but at the same time good for maneuvering around the course
If they didn't do that the backups would happen on the five toughest holes.
@@rfinnegan7106 surely it could’ve been 20 minutes there was a consistent 3 hole spread among the groups
I love Luke’s compact form, amazing how he gets so much power.
Gannon 1:04:00
Nah, brodie is right. His intentions don't matter, he moved the disc that was not his and altered where it was. It may have been a mistake, but not an accident, he knowingly grabbed the disc, it was just the wrong disc
I’m 5’9 and still no jump put from 38..
Line gate. Gannon was pulling the line from the wrong point, to his advantage. It wasn't that it looked out. It was that he was moving the line incorrectly. Luckily Calvin called him on it. The guy is the best player in the world. He shouldn't need to cheat or take 60 seconds to throw.
I agree with jerms string idea
1:29:00 I unironically agree with this
Luke Taylor, skip college. Disc golf and talent will provide for you. Love
How about rewriting the rule to “you get penalized for picking up another players disc while in play”, remove the word intentional.
Then Uli’s case saying “his facial expression didn’t look intentional” wouldn’t be valid. It’s so goofy to defend the rule because a player had a certain expression.
I don't understand the idea that every hole needs to be able to be birdied.
There was no intent to move the opponent's disc. The intent was to move his own disc. He accidentally moved the opponent's disc
But he moved a disc intentionally. That's like accidentally playing from the wrong lie. You absolutely intended to throw from that lie, but you were incorrect on where the lie was.
Tattar is not playing close to her level last year. If she was, christen would be crushing the field again.
Part of sports is concentrating on the game. If you “touch” a disc that’s in play you’ve distracted the player! That’s a penalty. Period!
FPO is FAR better in the last three years, because of Tatar. Period!
European courses, tee pads, course grooming and spectator space is FAR better. Courses must have a combination of woods, elevation, distance, inclination on putting greens, spectator space, professional camera crew placements, etc. Period!
PDGA SUCKS! Period!
Why no mention of the dog costumes and the insult to our sport allowed without penalty by the PDGT?
Period!
Yay finally got a trash shoutout
You're first $5 lineup. Still wrong, week 2. 5:53 to skip ads and football talk.
Uli saying bose headphones dont connect the mic is wildly untrue. They have an amazing mic. Like any headphones you have to select that in whatever program as the mic. Uli doesn't know tech
They didn't move the basket on 14. They cut the bushes to the left of the basket. Jerm is such a complainer.
I think the physicality of the course argument is pretty lame. Almost no pros treat their bodies as if they are professional athletes. If you do that, you can throw 500 every hole (if you can throw 500). Also, the rounds are taking 4 hours, so you have lots of breaks
Regarding the FPO bad look, Roll Away Hill was a terrible course design especially for FPO. That course was designed for a bomber who could keep it in bounds with very tight greens. So much so that that bomber doesn't even need to be able to putt from 10 feet. They just shouldn't have layouts like that for FPO. The depth of field for that type of bomber is just too small. You can say women should be better putters but that doesn't change anything. Make courses that the top 15 players can compete at. Not the top 3 or 4.
Ok jerm. Get Uli to stop being so difficult
I agree with Brodie
Bro who ices the arm during the game🤣🤣 the intention of the arm sleeves or make shift ones with wrapped towels is to keep the arm warm not cold 🤣
You can’t possibly have played sports and can’t think of any situation where you need to ice your arm. Why do you think physios/ medics carry cool spray.
@@leastselfawarepotassium he is talking about during game bro nobody ices their arm during the game or sporting event unless you’re finished buddy come on bro 🤣🤣🤣 the entire point of pitchers having a make shift bandage or sleeve around their throwing arms DURING innings while they are sitting are 100% heating the players arm bro look it up pal
@@nickreeves3595yeah you’re right my bad. I missed some crucial details there.
DLGO
I agree with brodie
brodie knows how to get people to hate him he need to just shut up sometime
It was intentional not malicious.
I’m regards to the FPO worlds putting fiasco- it is holyn and Kay’s fault for the bad product- ev won str8 up and holyn big time choked and kat saw the finish line and shriveled- people have to go out and win it
Once the pro tour folds, go back to post production only and only play fun courses. Problem is there will be far less money and far lest players that can afford to "tour".
Luke Taylor has an excellent vocabulary. I watched the practice round on Jomez, and a few of his hole breakdowns were wild!
What is the point of the rule then
Frankly professional sports are never healthy ... To achieve peak performance you compromise health you just do what you must to meet the performance level required.
That being said, if you aren't regularly throwing a destroyer on a 400' hole you could pump a flippier raptor or thunderbird out to it. Frankly you don't get to complain if you aren't frequently using somewhat more disc than you need to reach holes.
Truly I don't know many people who don't lean on slower discs for speed control. And theoretically saving the arm the most is using whatever disc will get there easiest. So I think it's a compromise between performance and longevity often.
That being said it's making me reconsider how I should play.
37:31 come on boomer get that technology figured out. Need your grandkid to come over to show you how to pod? J/k nothing but love for Big Jerm and I am older than he is....
Great topic Jerm,on the injuries