Moore's Law may be slowing down, but VR still enjoys every advantage from Wright's Law, which says that the cost to make something goes down a constant percentage for every cumulative doubling in units produced of that thing.
You have a habit of starting to read a question or comment out loud, saying only the first 2-3 words of it, and then immediately launching into answering. This can leave your audience without context about what you're responding to, especially if they're just listening to your stream in the background. Heck, even with the live chat up you sometimes offer so little context that it can be difficult to figure out which comment you're responding to.
For gaming in particular: I would have considered the Quest 3 for purchase if the displays were at least 30ppd and they provided FoV and a Display Port cable to the GPU and not a compressed USBC Cable.
VR technology will get better slowly over time but we won't reach the level of AVP in a Quest headset for a while but it will eventually... Honestly I can't justify spending AVP money on VR but $650 for my 512 GB Quest 3 is reasonable to me... I love mine 😂
AVP money could seem justifiable to me if it did everything I wanted from VR, but it's not even close. I want a real upgrade to Index + FBT. I don't need to replace flat screens, those work well enough without VR already.
Great show. Achieving a laptop or display replacement can’t be done through "gaming”. Without addressing the significant involvement of everyday businesses and enterprise, this transition is unlikely. The pundits said AVP needed developers and a “killer app” to succeed, but Apple understands that getting the entire business community to take XR seriously is crucial. Enterprises could never base their future on the Quest 3. Apple aims to show companies like Visa, Amazon, Universal, JP Morgan, DSW, Walmart.., that VR is the future. As more corporations introduce apps, more consumers will invest in VR. I believe the proliferation of corporate apps in the AVP will be the best key to determining XR’s future.
@@dfcx1 VR will ALWAYS have gaming. Apple will make the dying VR gaming industry robust again simply by expanding VR, making it common technology and cheaper…eventually. Dry your crocodile tears.
We’re so on the same page when it comes to Vision Pro just ruining my brain chemistry 😂 I can’t go back to anything else I just can’t. And no one should be making anything worse from now on !
Does anyone know why Brad has not done any videos lately? has there just been no news? because their is a new standalone Micro-OLED pancake lenses headset coming out soon
Ughh... I'm STILL waiting for deckard... This is tiresome. I refuse to interface with facebook in VR, so quest is out. I strongly considered the big-screen beyond, but having to buy a set of trackers AND controllers on top of that... the price tag was just too much for a cobbled together experience. I REALLY hope that Deckard, when it releases was worth the wait. I've only ever owned the Oculus Rift CV1 which I haven't used in years... but I keep waiting to get back in to VR, but nothing has sufficiently wowed me. Like there hasn't been a reasonably priced headset where VR youtubers can state unequivocably, THIS is the THE headset. I'm fine with dropping some cash, but every time I compare quality with price-point, I keep coming back to Varjo, and I'm just not willing to drop that kind of money on what might end up, just sitting in a corner.
I am becoming more and mre convinced that the Deckard is not coming anymore. I believe it's a real project, but the time that it needed to release has already come and past. We're now in a time where the Deckard would be releasing into a market where it would be increasingly irrelevant with each day that passes.
Brad isn't a VR gamer. He says this himself. He's not interested, and he's moved to a VR headset which barely supports any VR gaming. He's not really the best source for an assessment on the state of VR gaming.
The Strix Halo box rendering capability should be equivalent to today $500 PCs. Like an efficient/modern PS5, hopefully with an interesting design, rugged and mobile with optimal wireless for dual link (uplink + streaming to the terminal HMD/handheld/whatever).
The problem with Meta is Meta. I will not buy any headset they make. The software still needs work, if the mirroring crashes in less than 3 hours. I appreciate the long stream for the lack of videos. Just keep doing the live streams as they are working best for you. Your Live streams are more informative for me than your canned vids that you do many takes on.
@@joelcoll4034 Do you also think your phone is smart? Developing AI is not really going to improve things.. It will make people dumber and bring us close to the skynet problem..
I just want a linux distro that runs on these, or even lets me stream. I want to just pop windows around like a terminal, browser, etc and do some work. I don't want to be stuck in apple land.
what's odd about all the speculation about x elite gaming is people don't mention at all that Snapdragon SoC's support DirectX and vulkan unlike Apple. So that's less emulation/translation problems for gaming on ARM.
The problem with the quest pro beside the underpowered chip, the os software and the passthrough were a joke. I can't justify having it as a laptop replacement when the passthrough doesn't make me feel still connected to the real world ( let us not talk about their OS ). The quest 3 is the first usable device from meta for me (when hooked to my pc). The rest of meta devices (q2 q pro) are once a month gathering tech demo thing. Super interested in an improved quest 3, just a better passthrough and even a 10% resolution pump would be enough for me to throw money at them.
It would have been a success if the resolution was higher than a Quest 2. Instead it was lower resolution than a Quest 2 which astounds me why they would do that.
Hi Brad, I think you ought to do your Vision Pro review. Your main concern is that you are such a weird use case that you are afraid your enthusiasm for this device may trick many normal users into buying a device that will not fit them. However, I think you are overstating how "weird" you are. Yes, getting a headless MacBook for the Vision Pro is indeed extremely rare and no one else should do it. But rocking with spatial windows (overlays as you may often them) with the Vision Pro is not weird, and not as rare as you think. I use my Vision Pro everyday for the exact same reason. Judging from social medias, I think this is one of the two major Vision Pro usage patterns that have emerged among Vision Pro users that stick. The other is for media consumption. Another reason that I think you should make your review is that we ought to show the world the values of spatial computing in practice. Many folks, including a large number of VR players, are knee-jerk antagonized against the Vision Pro due to it being too expensive, being from Apple, and perhaps just requiring a HMD. They also then tend to carry this attitude toward XR in general, dismissing such HMDs being "an iPad on your face", "just for watching movies", "just a 2nd monitor", and etc. I am not sure what another in-depth review may accomplish, but I hate to see such wide-spread and ignorant perceptions hurting the prospects of spatial computing. Vision Pro already does not any killer app, the platform itself is the killer feature already. Your review should just faithfully show how you use the device and your experiences. Vision Pro, and actually the XR industry, does not currently have a overhyped problem. On the contrary, they currently have to fight against negative perceptions.
I'm using the psvr2 almost daily and for me there enough good games at the moment. Honestly I do it even prefer over the quest 3 and pcvr. But since the astrobot thing, I do also not believe that Sony will invest in developing VR games in the near feature.
Dang. I'm the opposite. I have a quest 2 for pcvr and bought a psvr 2. Since I bought the psvr 2, I've barely used it. I just go back to my quest. The comfort of the psvr is terrible for me. Even after buying the globular cluster mod, I had so much pressure on my forehead. It really made me appreciate my quest 2
Apple Vision Pro is so boring. Shitty apple OS that isn't even good for gaming. Quest 3 is way more interesting, grows the VR industry way more by providing affordable headsets to the masses (which leads to increased game & software sales to grow the industry), and has a great library of games. We really need to hear more about the Valve Deckard though.
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Vision pro avatars is pretty amazing now, it doesnt even feel uncanny atleast on a youtube video.
agreed
They need a stable version in the corner
> VR is a wintersport
> wearing ski goggles
it makes so much sense
Moore's Law may be slowing down, but VR still enjoys every advantage from Wright's Law, which says that the cost to make something goes down a constant percentage for every cumulative doubling in units produced of that thing.
You have a habit of starting to read a question or comment out loud, saying only the first 2-3 words of it, and then immediately launching into answering. This can leave your audience without context about what you're responding to, especially if they're just listening to your stream in the background. Heck, even with the live chat up you sometimes offer so little context that it can be difficult to figure out which comment you're responding to.
timestamp for deckard news?
For gaming in particular: I would have considered the Quest 3 for purchase if the displays were at least 30ppd and they provided FoV and a Display Port cable to the GPU and not a compressed USBC Cable.
Nah. Cables suck. It’s worth it. Good WiFi with high bitrate is good enough.
u cant have 30ppd with that SoC
@@float32with a pulley it’s like the cables not there
i need at least oled quest 3 with eye/face tracking
well, or Valve finally announce Deckard lol
Lol, another one of these dumbasses
1:50:18 I like how Brad ends this sentence with the dying Yoda sound.
VR technology will get better slowly over time but we won't reach the level of AVP in a Quest headset for a while but it will eventually... Honestly I can't justify spending AVP money on VR but $650 for my 512 GB Quest 3 is reasonable to me... I love mine 😂
AVP money could seem justifiable to me if it did everything I wanted from VR, but it's not even close. I want a real upgrade to Index + FBT. I don't need to replace flat screens, those work well enough without VR already.
Great show. Achieving a laptop or display replacement can’t be done through "gaming”. Without addressing the significant involvement of everyday businesses and enterprise, this transition is unlikely. The pundits said AVP needed developers and a “killer app” to succeed, but Apple understands that getting the entire business community to take XR seriously is crucial. Enterprises could never base their future on the Quest 3. Apple aims to show companies like Visa, Amazon, Universal, JP Morgan, DSW, Walmart.., that VR is the future. As more corporations introduce apps, more consumers will invest in VR. I believe the proliferation of corporate apps in the AVP will be the best key to determining XR’s future.
Agreed, Apple is ruining VR.
@@dfcx1 VR will ALWAYS have gaming. Apple will make the dying VR gaming industry robust again simply by expanding VR, making it common technology and cheaper…eventually. Dry your crocodile tears.
2:42 "I can spazz out whenever I want!"
No one said you couldn't, Brad!
We’re so on the same page when it comes to Vision Pro just ruining my brain chemistry 😂 I can’t go back to anything else I just can’t. And no one should be making anything worse from now on !
3hrs ......GOOD
Wow, the camera is kindof capturing the front display. Pretty cool to see.
Thanks for the stream & info
Does anyone know why Brad has not done any videos lately? has there just been no news? because their is a new standalone Micro-OLED pancake lenses headset coming out soon
The lenticular display looks so creepy. I think the eyes are too far apart.
It was a cool enough idea but works badly in practice.
Any plans for a Crystal Light and Somnium VR1 review? Thanks!
1:44:54 The definition of being a hands-on dad versus a grandpa
Did he talk about visorxr?
Ughh... I'm STILL waiting for deckard... This is tiresome. I refuse to interface with facebook in VR, so quest is out. I strongly considered the big-screen beyond, but having to buy a set of trackers AND controllers on top of that... the price tag was just too much for a cobbled together experience. I REALLY hope that Deckard, when it releases was worth the wait.
I've only ever owned the Oculus Rift CV1 which I haven't used in years... but I keep waiting to get back in to VR, but nothing has sufficiently wowed me. Like there hasn't been a reasonably priced headset where VR youtubers can state unequivocably, THIS is the THE headset.
I'm fine with dropping some cash, but every time I compare quality with price-point, I keep coming back to Varjo, and I'm just not willing to drop that kind of money on what might end up, just sitting in a corner.
I am becoming more and mre convinced that the Deckard is not coming anymore. I believe it's a real project, but the time that it needed to release has already come and past. We're now in a time where the Deckard would be releasing into a market where it would be increasingly irrelevant with each day that passes.
will Palmer announce his own visor :P ....that's what he likes right ...something small wired to a processing box 6dof ...for flat screens
Thisss.. did he say anything?
brad straight up - where is vr gaming right now? dying? dead? growing? experimental? where is xr headed?
He said it’s dead. I think the best VR games we have right now are VR mods of AAA flatscreen games (UEVR, Luke Ross).
Brad isn't a VR gamer. He says this himself. He's not interested, and he's moved to a VR headset which barely supports any VR gaming. He's not really the best source for an assessment on the state of VR gaming.
The Strix Halo box rendering capability should be equivalent to today $500 PCs. Like an efficient/modern PS5, hopefully with an interesting design, rugged and mobile with optimal wireless for dual link (uplink + streaming to the terminal HMD/handheld/whatever).
I assume you are going to get the Immersed Visor later this year?
The problem with Meta is Meta. I will not buy any headset they make. The software still needs work, if the mirroring crashes in less than 3 hours. I appreciate the long stream for the lack of videos. Just keep doing the live streams as they are working best for you. Your Live streams are more informative for me than your canned vids that you do many takes on.
There is good things about Meta, they are helping the open source AI comunity
@@joelcoll4034 Can't download drivers for their hardware easily.. I have no account with them.
@@joelcoll4034 Do you also think your phone is smart? Developing AI is not really going to improve things.. It will make people dumber and bring us close to the skynet problem..
Hi Brad
I just want a linux distro that runs on these, or even lets me stream. I want to just pop windows around like a terminal, browser, etc and do some work. I don't want to be stuck in apple land.
I'm still not sure, if I should get the 128 GB or the 512 GB version of the vision pro.. 🤔
what's odd about all the speculation about x elite gaming is people don't mention at all that Snapdragon SoC's support DirectX and vulkan unlike Apple. So that's less emulation/translation problems for gaming on ARM.
Why would Apple ever support DirectX? Vulkan I get since it’s open source.
It's not less emulation/translation when you just use the native Metal instead.
the apple vr hmd makes him look like he is squinting his eye or has some allergy
How are you using the crap strap as a top strap?
Please, please turn off message notification sounds on your streams! The number of times I went to check...
How many people do you see with a laptop on a beach lying on a towel?
Seems like a bad idea
I’m betting on VR
Apple Persona Brad is so much more charismatic looking. He's like Cult Leader Brad.
Apple did his mascara.
The problem with the quest pro beside the underpowered chip, the os software and the passthrough were a joke. I can't justify having it as a laptop replacement when the passthrough doesn't make me feel still connected to the real world ( let us not talk about their OS ). The quest 3 is the first usable device from meta for me (when hooked to my pc). The rest of meta devices (q2 q pro) are once a month gathering tech demo thing.
Super interested in an improved quest 3, just a better passthrough and even a 10% resolution pump would be enough for me to throw money at them.
It would have been a success if the resolution was higher than a Quest 2. Instead it was lower resolution than a Quest 2 which astounds me why they would do that.
It's very sad Brad what happened with my psvr2. That's why I upgraded to a 4080 super to do uevr.
I do very much agree that apple is much more collected than meta with their thousand pounds of cool aid lol
Sure Brad, the Deadlock isn't real. 😆😂🤣
Why can't you try spatial format as a standard for your videos instead of flat video format
So wheres the AVP review?
when u go to the beach with the headset ....also wear a mask 😷 lol
Ide love the time to put into watching this, but there is no way I'll ever be able to do that at 3h
I like these super long streams, but if you can please mute discord lol. The whole time I'm like I HAVE A MESSAGE!? :)
Apple Intelligence, is coming to the Vision Pro just not in 2025!
I'd buy the vision pro, but the content i consume most requires controllers...
Hi Brad, I think you ought to do your Vision Pro review. Your main concern is that you are such a weird use case that you are afraid your enthusiasm for this device may trick many normal users into buying a device that will not fit them. However, I think you are overstating how "weird" you are. Yes, getting a headless MacBook for the Vision Pro is indeed extremely rare and no one else should do it. But rocking with spatial windows (overlays as you may often them) with the Vision Pro is not weird, and not as rare as you think. I use my Vision Pro everyday for the exact same reason. Judging from social medias, I think this is one of the two major Vision Pro usage patterns that have emerged among Vision Pro users that stick. The other is for media consumption.
Another reason that I think you should make your review is that we ought to show the world the values of spatial computing in practice. Many folks, including a large number of VR players, are knee-jerk antagonized against the Vision Pro due to it being too expensive, being from Apple, and perhaps just requiring a HMD. They also then tend to carry this attitude toward XR in general, dismissing such HMDs being "an iPad on your face", "just for watching movies", "just a 2nd monitor", and etc. I am not sure what another in-depth review may accomplish, but I hate to see such wide-spread and ignorant perceptions hurting the prospects of spatial computing. Vision Pro already does not any killer app, the platform itself is the killer feature already.
Your review should just faithfully show how you use the device and your experiences. Vision Pro, and actually the XR industry, does not currently have a overhyped problem. On the contrary, they currently have to fight against negative perceptions.
I'm using the psvr2 almost daily and for me there enough good games at the moment. Honestly I do it even prefer over the quest 3 and pcvr. But since the astrobot thing, I do also not believe that Sony will invest in developing VR games in the near feature.
Dang. I'm the opposite. I have a quest 2 for pcvr and bought a psvr 2. Since I bought the psvr 2, I've barely used it. I just go back to my quest. The comfort of the psvr is terrible for me. Even after buying the globular cluster mod, I had so much pressure on my forehead. It really made me appreciate my quest 2
@Ryan-tn4gk ok that‘s funny. I had to buy three headstraps for the quest 2 until it was comfortable.
The quest 3 s is a joke of a name. It really is a quest 2 s.
Apple Vision Pro is so boring. Shitty apple OS that isn't even good for gaming.
Quest 3 is way more interesting, grows the VR industry way more by providing affordable headsets to the masses (which leads to increased game & software sales to grow the industry), and has a great library of games.
We really need to hear more about the Valve Deckard though.
⏰Late
Ooof, I'm interested, but not 3-hours interested: anybody have a TL;DW?
Brad, I was following you for years but,... I really can not follow you with the AVP over your face , sorry I can´t