This DIY Drywall Hack Needs to Die!!!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Wetting paper drywall tape during install is a hack that reduces overall quality. Watch to find out why!!!
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I've been doing home repairs for years. I now learn I've done everything wrong. 🤣 I did learn from someone to wet the tape. I didn't know about quickset, which I'm going to be using soon (had to make a window into my kitchen ceiling to find a leak). I didn't even know about the knife having a curve, and I now realise why I have so much trouble avoiding lines in my mud sometimes! I've been building it up so I can sand out the trouble. Your beginner videos have been amazing. Thank you!
And that’s why ladies and gentlemen Ben is a master at his craft. Taping takes practice and patience to get good at. Just don’t give up if the first time it goes awry keep trying you will improve tremendously.
Thank you for saying that 🙏🏼
DUDE…..I have a Sheetrock DYI project going on and watching your videos have saved my behind so many times! Thank you so much for your analysis on the many different aspects of drywalling. My favorite one was watching you and James fix his patched wall.
Cue some people saying you've been got to by 'big tape' or similar.... some people won't listen, even when shown a great demonstration like this!
The biggest thing that helped me reduce blisters is using taping mud with all the good glue in there as opposed to the lite line mud. Buying extra drywall mud is a lot cheaper than redoing your work. Ben taught me everything I know about taping!!
Oh no. I do that all the time. But i have learned to mix the mud...from you. Clearly I will not have to wet the tape any more. Thanks for another great tip, Ben.
Ben's been helping me with my projects for years now. I don't do it as often as I need to be "great" but I've gotten satisfactory results with some growing pains of course. Thanks Ben! 👍
I've heard people say to soak the tape. I've also never seen a professional drywaller soak the tape. The folks that do this for a living don't want to do the job again. The folks that do this for themselves want the job to be over quick and easy. I know who I'm listening to! :)
Damn, I'm glad that I sold the first first house that I drywalled years ago using wet tape method. I'm not sure where I got the idea to wet tape, probably an "associate", but I will be better going forward. Kinda' like the "Project Farm" of the drywall world ...THANKS.
I have learned so much from your videos. I do all the taping, muddying, and feathering at home. I love it, it’s so therapeutic for me.
Never feel that you are wasting your time with your videos, they're very valuable.
The cheapest way to learn is with someone else's mistakes or in this case doing those mock ups to test.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
one of the best hacks i saw someone comment in one of your videos is to use a $20 electric egg beater to mix mud and water in the pan/small bucket. what a difference that made.
ive done diy for years and have learned a ton of drywall tips from you and gotta say you are great at what you do.. thanks for the tips.
Thanks man. I really had no idea and was doing the wet tape method on my home project. That pull test really illustrates very well the strength. Well done!
We all run across 'wise' new ideas on an old theme. Someone trying to better a method that has evolved over time and then resisted further change for years. If it was a viable method of taping the manufacturer would promote it, simply to maximize the performance of their product! Best to confront and test as you have done. Excellent instruction, as we are accustomed from you, Ben. senior from Toronto
I started out soaking, but quit because it took too long-- let it soak, squeeze the excess water out (by squeezing it between my fingers) and then putting it on. What I found was that it helped eliminate wrinkles, especially in long angles. I never had a problem with blisters and I never got any call-backs so I assume it didn't fail. But you're right. Learning to tape is the right long term strategy. I've moved from hand-taping angles to a flusher and then on to angle heads. The real game changer was buying a roller. I still first coat my butts by hand, but combine filling the gaps and first coating the joint by using dura bond and fiba fuse tape for them.
I've been taping for years now and still learn something new all the time. I don't figure that will ever stop. That's one of the reasons I appreciate your videos. You've shown me different ways of tackling problems, some of which I've incorporated into my practice. Thanks for that!
I really enjoy these kinds of videos. Very interesting and informative!
This was definitely the best demonstration or "Myth buster" you've done. Excellent work.
Always great advice. Thankful for your expertise.
Ben is like the Bob Ross of Drywall
I’ve found even leaving mudd under the tape green lid all purpose usg sometimes sticks but I’ve had entire pieces come off. Fibafuse max is becoming a. Very strong product. It doesn’t tear like the old fiba fuse used to.
Never in my 20 years of finishing experience have I wet the tape to avoid blisters. Blisters are the result of not enough mud or slightly dried out mud under your tape. That's the only reason. Also no, adding mud on top of the tape right after wiping it out, does nothing for avoiding blisters as well. Makes me laugh and shake my head when people say that 😂
I just taped and mudded the walls in my garage. I used to wet tape as that's how I was shown years ago. But after watching Ben I had stopped as I never saw him do it. I did a few little projects that came out great with dry tape. Now this bigger project looks great too. It's faster too!!
These videos are great! Thanks, learning a lot
After watching your videos a few years back I stopped dipping the paper and just used looser mud by adding water and letting it soak in for a minute before pushing out the extra mud.
I found this channel months ago when I needed help with window trim ... but I've stayed for the dad jokes. They're awkward and awesome.
Thank you so much for making this video. I've been doing it wrong for years but you just saved me! Also, do you have another channel where you do skate shoe reviews for?
I sure wish you could come to Oregon and finish my 7-year garage conversion job.
I have video tip for you. Tape one seam on same 2 different piece with half seam paper tape and half mesh tape let is dry. Then start stressing that seam by bending and twisting then we will see why paper tape is better versus mesh tape.... or is it.
I learned how to tape from you Ben-and it was the other video where you did your experiment on a washing machine 🤣🤣
Keep up the great work bud-i learn so much from you!!
Excellent comparison! Curious about the strength of the bond if you repeat this test with setting type mud. I'm a home DIY'er and have found good results by first using setting type mud to prefill the joints then shortly after, taping with setting type mud. Afterwards, I'll cover with one more coat of setting type mud and if it's in a highly visible area, will do a last coat with topping coat for an easy sand. I'm sure this method won't get as good of a finish as using drywall mud, but I can do this in a single day and come back in a few days to sand and paint.
First time hearing about this hack, never did it, and never will. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
with Fibre-fuse you never have blisters or problems adhering it
Since taping boxes etc. are used more these days, it would be interesting to see how well the tape holds under their use. The mud having to be thinned so much for these machines, may compromise the adhesion. VC, perhaps you could test this out to see in a future video... hand taping versus machine taping?
If you use taping mud it’s no problem. That stuff is designed to be thinned way down.
@@vancouvercarpenter That sounds reasonable, but I still would like to see it done to verify, so I double-dog-dare you to do it! ;D
@@vancouvercarpenterhere in the States where I'm at we have heavy weight all purpose and light weight all purpose. I'm assuming heavy weight is basically "taping" mud in Canada? At least from what I've gathered in the videos. Either way it's got a lot of adhesion and is a pain to sand (I never will use it through a full project again).
Great vid, well explained
I've learned a ton from Ben for my DIY projects. I prefer to work with a hawk and I'll keep a spray bottle of water handy to wet the mud then mix it in on the hawk. I've never heard of wetting the tape.
I use hot mud to fill joints and tape at the same time. Seems like a win win since it’s good for filling gaps and drys fast, while being strong.
I’m from Michigan and this is how a lot of contractors that I know do it. I was originally taught drywall this way but since I found your channel 3 or 4 years ago I’ve abandoned that practice. 😂
I just had to watch it even though I saw the original video. I actually use a spray bottle with water to deliver just the right amount of water to thin the mixture, so I can get the perfect consistency of mud.
Would have loved to see confill as part of the adhesion tests.
Never knew this was a thing. Doesn't make sense (if you've been in drywall for any length of time). But to the DIYr, maybe. Good info and will save some people a lot of headaches in the future.
Video Idea :
How perfect to leave your finish coat before priming and how to repair blemishes once its primed.
This is coming from a perfectionist thats probably wasting way too much time on making everything glassy smooth before priming.
There is an old video on RUclips with some young guy show "How to properly apply drywall tape" and he wets it but I have always know it was the incorrect way to do that. I have learned so much fromcyou. Great stuff man.
Thanks Ben. I hate to admit that I have been one who has wet the tape on one project where I was trying to tape over the seams of an older manufacturered home with those fake vinyl coated walls.
It wouldn't stick and blistered everywhere and once dried it would pull off the walls when it got wet again putting on the top coat but I truly thought wetting the tape had helped
It was the worst job I've ever done and now that I've seen this video I can see the water was part of the problem
❤ I want it with glue added also.
This should get you, my house they stamped the blisters down when they were painting. So now you see the painted staples. Bull Chit job. 😮😮😮😊😊😊
Was your house new, all new builds in the lower mainland Vancouver area the tape comes off after 2-5 years. Go to any 5 yr old apt building, all the units will have the tape on the ceiling coming down. Terrible job, the place I just bought is going to take forever to repair.......it's only 5 years old.
Some kid, who knew nothing about drywall, made an instruction video that got 10s of millions of views and it told people to wet the paper tape. He was so ridiculed for making a video with no expertise, that he turned off the comments. I'm guessing that video is where this comes from. When you watch experts, like you, and they are flying along taping a whole room in no time, they obviously aren't wetting the paper.
Its an idea older than YT.
I watched that video, I think. If I remember correctly, he was in a trade school doing instructional videos for the class
Wet tape gives the appearance of being bonded when it definitely may not be. Also that moisture would heavily affect the way the mud dries.
Love your channel!
I had to wet my tape and wall.. it was 100f in the house. The tape wasnt as drippy as this video.
Great test. Thank you.
I like fibafuse tape also.
Ben, for what it is worth, you and you alone have helped me... help me. Haha. I hope that makes sense. I mean that you have literally helped me, help myself to not have to redo things. I do find myself being a bit of a perfectionist with my sanded finish to just throw a knockdown texture over the top of it all. My question to you that would help me so much right now is.... I am skimming out my dining room walls and ceiling to have a fresh pallet for new knockdown. It is currently a poorly done skip trowel ISH in which every nail head has bled through. Yes nails, I am pretty sure this is 1/4 brown paper drywall, over 1/4 inch door skin over L&Plaster. Darn neer need 4 inch drywall screws to reach the rafters 😂😂. Only playing. It is a mess that I want to be less of a mess?? I think that's the correct wording. Any help is appreciated sir.
Fibafuse for the win. The mud completely penetrates to the face, so blistering isn't even possible so long there was mud on the wall to start with. It's also thinner than paper tape, which makes butt joints much easier to work. The only downside is that it's not ceased,. For corners I still use dry paper with thinned AP heavy applied with a mud roller.
They sell a creased version of Fibafuse.
@@TobiasRaphael1 Haven't seen that. Good to know.
Thanks.
First off, thanks for all the vids. I just bought a 1957 house which has a LOT of drywall mishaps. And of course some water damage etc.
Binge watching your channel and getting more and more confident to tackle this project.
But I have a question. And I did a search and couldn't find a video that you may have explained, what type of Drywall for certain areas in one's home.
Is it just a standard.common general drywall that I should use. I mentioned I have water damage, should I do for a waterproof/resistant drywall? Should I use cement board? Do you have a video where you go over different types of drywall and how/when to use them?
thanks again!
Awesome thanks 😊
As a DIYer I’m slow on the “tape and float” If needed I use a spray bottle of water to add water to my tray to mix with the mud. I tried spraying the wall and that was disastrous.
Hi Ben! Question: Would it be possible to glue down paper beads before covering them with mud? The idea is to make it easier for beginners to really get the bead stuck on the wall. Video? ;)
hey vancouver, videographer here, idk what type of camera you shoot with. but see if it has a neutral log. on sony it would be S-Log 3 i believe. it will increase your quality of video. you will have to do minor color correction but once you make a profile you like save it as a preset in the editing program of your choice and after that its a simple click of the button. i promise though it will make your quality 10x better.
Honestly a little surprised the plus 3 straight out of the box had such a good bond. Definitely shrinks less when drying. I still tape with gp for the peace of mind, thinking that on equal ground it has better adhesion. I have been guilty of wetting the tape when temps are over 100 degrees, like in a garage in Texas in August, to get a few more linear ft when retaping a ceiling, but damp would be pushing it. Dip it in water sure, but its 10 min or more before I try to use it. At those temps, which I know are outside its manufacturer guidelines, even thinned mud skins over the second it touches bare drywall. Great video. Have to admit I half believed it was not a bad thing in certain conditions. You're the best. Thanks
of course this will be rendered moot the day VC finally embraces fibafuse. lol
Not sure what I just watched. Maybe something within will be some subliminal reminder to me next time I'm taping. Appreciate the tips, dude.
Damn I was wetting the tape fixing ceiling cracks. though I was using 45 minute mud for the first application.
another test that might be good is tape to sheets together and do a stress test.
Setting compound (Durabond 90, Sheetrock 90 for example) requires water to cure, just like concrete requires water to cure. Paper tape can often suck the water out of the setting compound to the point where it does not set properly...and ends up not fully cured, weak and can easily crumble (seen it many times) just like concrete. Thus, wetting the paper tape in this case helps prevent this. Drying compound does not need more water...there is no reason to wet tape for drying compound.
Well not the best test because you didn't show thinned mud with wet tape but I guess Its good enough to show the difference. I was wetting the tape as well as thinning the mud and havent had any cracking or issues. I'm also using the extra durable 90min mud so not sure if thats helping too? I'm just trying to get things done myself though. Cant afford labor. I dont think anyone is going to try to peel my walls anyway though lol. But yeah maybe I should stop wetting the tape. I had someone help me with it to begin with and it was void city so I got paranoid.
4:20 getting strong Bob Ross vibes here
Awesome video. Quick Q, why is the light all purpose out of the box thicker than the heavy all purpose out of the bucket?
The heavy AP had already been mixed and worked with.
Boooo 👻Ben! I always wet my tape 😄 and Im not gonna reshoot my old videos either 🤣 I switched to fibafuse for patch work though so no more wetting or even really thinning mud much. I figured if a homeowner decides to use paper tape I figure they'd be better off wetting tape than blistering tape which I've seen a lot do using paper tape and dry mud. Ill mention this video in upcoming videos though 👍
Great to know. Be kind to each other. Stay safe. Love to all
I use FibaFuse drywall tape it's so easy and makes my repairs like on great.
I've already heard to either water down premix mud or wet the tape. But when I wet the tape, I squeeze the water out between 2 fingers so it isn't dripping wet. Anecdotal but it has worked really well for me. I've never had my mud squeeze out like yours did on the wet tape, seemed like your tape was too wet.
Hamiltons Blue dot for paper 🤘🏽 bita water bita no poc 👊🏽👌🏽
👍 very helpful! Thanks for taking time to demonstrate that. I had asked about it in a past video.
Not on topic but I wanted to ask you how much mud per sqft you would bib when doing a level 5 skim coat finish?
I still have a bad habit of using way too much mud, especially in corners. It holds well and I don't get blisters, but it seems to take a ton of mud to build everything out afterwards.
I've been doing it that way on inside corners for years. And I have always found that it helps me. And I have never had any adhesion problems. No corners tape seams have ever been problematic for me and many of them in this house are 15 years old. On regular finished and butt seams I don't do it. I'm just a DIYer and not a pro. I always just use buckets of prepared general purpose mud. So you may be right but I like doing it because it seems to make positioning and knifing the mud out of corner seams easier for me. I am careful to not apply more pressure than is necessary so enough mud stays under the tape.
If you can afford it, try buying a corner roller. It'll make your life a whole lot easier when doing inside corners :)
Hey man, I’ve got a weird ceiling situation above my Franklin stove, it looks like the heat caused the drywall to warp. It created valleys between the joists as the nailed down portions stayed tight to the joists but the middle from joist to joist recessed - should I cut and replace or mud it? I can send pics. Looking for some help.
After taping dries, next coat do not wipe off too thin. The tape should be well coated. It will reduce blisters
I'm kind of curious of a force measurement on all of these. Like if you had a clamp on a loose end of the tape and you slowly added weight until it started to peel what would the absolute numbers for the force be
ok so im no pro, but if i tape with reg mud and dry tape it always blisters. if i wet it first it does not. But I find it easiest to tape with 45, i never get any blisters when i tape with 45
fascinating!
That's right up there with people adding dish soap to drywall mud too. Needs to stop
Sold.
The mud was still wet. I used to wet tape. it take about 48 hours to dry completely. also thinned mud take longer to dry.
I always dip-the-tape.
Never had a problem…unless I didn’t dip-the-tape.
The issue is?? Don’t saturate the tape, just quickly dip it.
I actually learned to wet the the tape from a professional but i dont think ive ever actually seen him do it. Maybe he thought i would make it easier for me to apply. I guess i wont be using this technique anymore. Good video
Exactly what is needed, tests and comparisons! 👍 (Look at the success of Project Farm, BTW.)
I used durabond for my first coat. Yes, I am a masochistic evidently.
Obviously water will saturate the tape and prevent it from sucking in the glue that's in the mud. If wetting it were good, the instructions would suggest that.
Exactly.
Good vidio
What an awful thing to have to do. I'm sorry to all the people who did this out of diligence thinking it was the way to do it. Drywall is tough enough for the odd time the average person does it. Ben I'm guessing you covered it before, but going one step further. Do you 100% coverage "wet or coat" the top side of the tape with mud on the tape setting. I practice this and it seems to help me avoid bubbles in addition to not using mud that has dried ( or gotten away on me) because I let it dry too long before setting tape in it.
request, could you do similar test of fibrafuse vs mesh vs paper im really curious
Interesting.
Can you pre fill and tape with a quick set ?
yes
My gf like to wet the tape, I refuse to. I'll thin the mud a little more if needed, especially with hot mud since the tape will suck the moisture out of the mud.
Someone did this at my mom's house. The tape came off and it's just hanging there right now. They hired a complete incompetent hack.
Why would I not just use Fibafuse on every project? Been using it for about 4 years now and have never had an issue with it. Spend the extra $5 on a roll vs paper and be done with it. Where am I wrong?
The wetted tape reminds me of some cheap duct tape I bought; easily removed from surfaces.
Plus wetting the tape makes it a real pain to work with.
When I saw the thumbnail for for this video I was like.. WHY.. would ANYONE.. do THAT 😳
I saw an old timer with his tape in a bucket of water on a job site came back two weeks later and it was bubble city
Just use enough mud and you wont have blisters. Just thin your mud down good when taping. No need to wet tape just wasting your time not to mention the tape is paper if you get it too wet and keep wiping it it will fall apart.
How crucial is taping mud? with added glue, it helps me avoid blisters it seems
Taping mud is the bees knees
@@vancouvercarpenter I think another comparison video would be great showing taping/stndrd mud/ mesh/metal/paper bead tape etc.... You tube loves to watch a competition/comparison, drywall has so many ways to approach id def watch you beat a corner bead apart to show us which is best!
Btw thank you for doing this ive tried to tell everybody its not nescessary. I asked my old boss if he ever heard of this and he got kinda mad. Lol.
My house has A TON of poorly taped seems fore to repair, I swear they used the wet tape method, because it comes off too easy.