I want to take a moment to admit that I don’t know everything and I’m sure there are many people out there who can accomplish a one day patch and paint. To those who can I tip my hat to you. Personally, I have just never had good luck with them so I won’t do them. Just means there’s more business for those of you who can🙂
This exact same thing happened to me last year! I never ever paint but it was for a friend and they were in a hurry to get it patched and painted because they had family coming over! I went over a few days later and you could see the outline of the patch! I took my paint scrapper and flattened them then put a thing coat of finishing mud over it! I spent some time looking it up and read that it needs time for the exothermic reaction to gas off! 🤷♂️ Id love it if you just did a patch the same way without painting and then looked at it again a few days later to see if it's still the same. I very rarely get to see my work painted and ever since I had that incident I've been stressed out wondering how my patches end up after painting using quickset!
Ben, I have always appreciated your honesty and humble approach on your videos Nothing cooler than watching a guy with extreme talent accidentally mess up using a screw gun or whatever and just letting the camera run! Wish more people would let it roll like you because it happens to everyone
This is a fantastic video! I’m just a DIY’er so have never had the need for 1 day patches or fixes. I always do these types of projects over days not hours to ensure proper drying, but this is still great info and I am glad to know that I should avoid one day patch & paints. Appreciate the video and I’m glad you vindicated at the end. 😂👍🏼
I just wanted to say thank you. I've attempted numerous patch jobs after buying my first house and they have all turned out awful. But we recently had a chandelier moved and after watching your videos, I worked up the confidence to try to patch the hole myself. I bought proper mud this time and took my time, learned to accept the fact that I was going to have to patch and paint more than just the little 4" square and that I was going to have to sand and make a mess, and it has turned out great so far. Maybe I'll take another shot at some of these crack repairs now...
Thank you for showing what not to do. I am a first time home owner and have been so hesitant to ever try anything involving walls. I've really enjoyed your channel and getting ideas on what I might be able to try myself and what I definitely need a pro for. I appreciate your work!
Really enjoy your videos….your projects are always well lit, you don’t talk so fast I have to rewind several times, and also you don’t talk TOO MUCH👍. As a new DIY’er with drywall, I am so grateful for your tutorials. Thank you! 🙏🏼
Your instruction on sanding and using a coarse grit is very helpful. I always believed that final sanding should be with a fine grit..and my patches always looked polished. Thank you.
I have learned to have patience when doing any job. Now I know NOT to rush any drywall problem. Will definitely help me as I move forward with future renovations. Great job as always Ben.
Mr. Vancouver Carpenter, I have been learning so much from you, waiting for this video and clear statements from you. Many clients keep asking me for the one day repair. Tried and failed often enough. Whenever someone asks me again, I will send him a link to this video .. and asking them to BE PATIENT!
Thank you for your videos, I have patched in the past and my wife thinks I can’t make a smooth repair. Watching you and the tips I think I am better but not perfect. I need more tools but don’t repair very often so I work with what I have.
Your idea of a one day patch and paint is better than my 3 day patch and 4th day paint lmao I have learned so much from you. Your the reason I taped my house and with bullnose too. Thanks skater!!
Ben, I really enjoy your videos. I find them relaxing. I also do drywall for a living and every now and then I do same day patches. I don't recommend it either but sometimes my builders want it done as soon as possible. steps I would do is pre fill 5 min quick set tape and float 5 min quick set skim coat with all purpose heater sand and paint.
It all depends on the lighting conditions I agree with Ben under very strong lighting that 1-day patch won’t’hold up to scrutiny. So it’s not a problem if it is in relative less harsh lighting you won’t notice it. Ben is a perfectionist he wants his patch to be perfect in all lighting conditions.
Hey my guy really enjoying your vids since stumbling on them recently, you've come handy for me trying to eliminate my own mistakes on wall repairs. Really is about being patient and taking the time. Great vids and advice bud
awesome vid. i do apartment maintenance and i always have to do drywall repair as quick as possible but it is usually a 3 day job. i do use fans but never heaters or quick set
I like to score a square around it and use my multi tool scraper attachment scrape all the paint off so my tape is embedded and I don’t have to float it way out.
Tried and failed at this :-) I'm going to repaint the whole room this summer, so I will fix things up perfectly - according to all the knowledge I've gotten from you!
As a professional drywall finisher you did everything in this video to do a 1 days patch and paint quite good except for once thing. You are able to do 1 day patch and paint, but you forgot to pre-fill the gaps. You have to pre-fill the gaps and let it dry before applying the mesh tape, then you wouldn’t have that problem of gaps appearing after..
Yes - he should have first pre-filled the gaps with 5 minute setting compound and dried with a heat gun. He could have used a heat gun to accelerate the steps, and/or used hot water while preparing the setting compound.
I use a mix of plaster of Paris and spackle. I fill in the gaps before I tape. And then of course I use a fan to get it to dry. Seems to work OK for me I haven’t had any real issues even going back a few days later checking it with a flashlight against the wall, Great great way to see your patch repair quality. I like your videos been please keep making them I’ve learned a lot from you. Thank you, D. C
New Sub Love your content. I primarily do restoration and warranty repairs in high end new builds. With deadlines/scheduling and unrealistic builder expectations you have to be able to produce quality fast and don’t always have the time to return the following day. You got the right idea dropping fans and technique is perfect scraping the hot mud down flat. Ditch the 20mm use 5mm. The 20 just doesn’t activate fast enough. pre fill - ultra thin mesh tape applied with spray adhesive- then coat. Give it atleast half hour under the fan between coats. Final tight skim with AP mud so thin that it dries under a fan by the end of the day without bubbling. Sand we’re necessary prime and paint. Has to be perfect or we can’t sell it If it fails we know immediately once boss gets the callback 😂
Prefill the gaps, no tape. Let the mud harden. Then use tape. That’s technically your first pass. You’ll never have that problem again. Prefill is critical, especially for 1 days. If you don’t prefill, or push a valley through the tape on the first pass, then a few days later the gaps do show up like you’re describing. Due to the paint and final coat’s moisture content, the base layer can pull out once fully dry (few days later).
As a handyman I did them all the time. 5 minute mud, 3 coats. Alternate with heat gun and fan. Never had a problem with painting over hot mud. I think adding the all purpose is what causes the issue. Interesting video.
You know something Chris I'm not sure what happens when you get a failure but I always thought there was a problem about the quick set mud not being able to take paint until it is fully cured which they say is about a month I wonder if anyone else has read the same directions or did I imagine them
Yep, no room for all purpose in a day patch. Done hundreds just as you described adding a prefill and shellac prior to paint with no issue. And yes I have seen many of them years later with no change.
@@marshallwilson8497 you know I almost never hear anybody referring to using shellac or even the shellac based kilz that is by far the best sealer that I believe is available even better than oil-based primer sealers but again you must bee a good painter because only the best painters that I've known would go through the effort of using this material considering some of the difficulties in dealing with it
Hey Ben, love your work... just wondering whether you would do two coats of all-purpose in the same day, then give it a solid 24 hours before the final skim coat?
Nice videos bro. I do patch and paint all the time. I use quickset,never as a finish coat though. 2 light coats of quickset and bucket mudd as a finish coat. Sometimes 2 super lite coats of bucket mudd. Run a fan on that jewel for 1-3 hours and paint. Thanks for these videos.
I'm a DIY and I've given up on the quick fixes. I'm with you on it. They just never come out great for me. Between renovations and two boys I have no shortage of things to patch. Instead of heaters and fans try running a portable home dehumidifier in the room with the exhaust blowing towards the patch. Just make sure you turn it off when you are sanding so you don't clog up the coils.
I remember doing a one day hang tape texture and paint and it looked great. Years later I went back and every joint was seen but the homeowner didn’t even notice. From flawless to rookie.
Great video. I don’t do something THAT extensive in one day but I will put a final skim coat, prime and paint in one day. Have you seen problems with that using either all purpose or quick set?
You shouldn’t have edges anyway feather it back into itself . When it sets simply push your 5 or 6 inch knife on the lines and if your having edges it’s most likely because your not using a big enough trowel or knife
I just taped and mudded a 38 foot long 10 foot high wall. Waiting 24 hours is GREAT advice. It came out absolutely perfect.. and letting it dry overnight made it easier.
I use a grouting sponge or drywall sponge once the sand sets up a little. That little bit of moisture takes so much of the effort out of sanding, and it really helps with hard edges.
I appreciate the unusual level of attention to the subtleties of drywall in this video. I am doing some drywall repair after a leak and I REALLY do not want a building inspector to notice my patch work and turn the attention of the potential buyers towards previous imperfections in my dwelling's plumbing work. That would totally kill the vibe and make them fear an unlucky leak and mold intrusion- just like I experienced, but already fixed. Thank you to my Degros.
11:11 I do think that using heat and a fan could contribute to an uneven drying of the material. I have avoided using fans as much as possible- but I think a little air circulation in the room might be helpful. Degros is still my superior and this is a very helpful video.
I’ve done same day patch and paints. I don’t really paint anymore however. You have to do light coats. Giving plenty of time for each coat to be at least half way dry. Being patient with the first coat allows that first coat to suck in the moisture of every other coat. And if it’s a flat finish we always comeback for a quick sand or extra skim. You can paint over hot mud but you absolutely need a high quality primer like killz 2 or something
I’m so glad you did this one Ben. I’d given up on one days because I never ended up happy with it , I just resigned myself that I suck at making it work. Now I won’t feel so bad about telling them I need to come back a few times...
I'm not the best drywaller, I'm a general contractor, but I usually do most of the work myself. However, my drywall guy is amazing. He can have an entire bathroom done in 3 hours. He uses a wet sanding method. No imperfections, no tape showing, no issues. Have you ever tried wet sanding? It's also a lot cleaner of a process.
I will watch this full video, I love your content and *kanye west voice* "I'ma let you finish" but let me tell you my secret. I do these all the time. Sometimes 2 patches for ac repairs. In one day by using 2 coats of 5 min hot mud, and 1-2 coats of lightweight all purpose. After priming I have to give it an hour but that mud absorbs a lot of it, I give it a 2nd coat of primer and walk away, and when I get back from lunch I deal with paint. It can be done and I'm down to share what I've learned 💪🏽
I’m a painter in Chicago we do one day patches all the time.In an ideal world probably best to do it over two days.We use quick set then a topping compound, and a heat gun. I’ve used quick set and painted over it haven’t had issues,but a topping compound over it seems to be best.Thanks.
Hey Ben been watching your vids for awhile as I am working on my older house. Just to clarify you said you can not paint over quick set. For example 20 min quickset needs to have regular mud applied after it has set up and been sanded? Thanks, Sean.
Overall great job👍. I've been doing patch and paint for almost 20yrs. Hot dry day, can do several per day, and still have time to get home for dinner. Cold wet day, gonna take two days. Especially with a two coat (5min) quick topping skim and texture, super easy. Smooth wall level 5+ in a sunny location, might take 2half days just to play it safe.
The trick is to be a painter and not a drywaller. As a painter I know a million tricks to make the wall look nice again after the patch. My normal routine would be: using all purpose mud (green lid) mixed with some easy 5 or plaster of paris do one solid coat to backfill it, sand it, shellac it, THEN put your top coat with the same mix, sand and shellac, and skim it with all purpose, sand and shellac one more time and check for touch ups, shellac any touchups and paint 2-3 coats. That should take you just a few hours if you do it right and put the fan or heat gun on it. Also, us painters aren't doing huge patches like that either, we typically keep it nice and tight, just big enough to blend but not so big it takes a year to dry. At the end of the day, I really more on my painting skills to blend the patch back into the wall if it's not just right yet. The reason I shellac it after the coats is that the shellac will seal it and stop any moisture from traveling any further in either direction, but it will also let you visually see any ridges or high spot that cast shadows a lot better than without it, which makes the touch ups easier and faster.
As a remodeler, I never use hot mud. I have tried it but didn’t care for it. I use regular all purpose and do maybe 2 coats in a day and 2 coats on another day. Then I put drywall primer on it to get the texture. Then I will paint it. I get pretty good results this way and I just explain to the customer that’s the way I do it for the best results. Rushing drying usually leads to failure (as shown in this video). Thanks for making this, I really had no idea that this would occur because I don’t use hot mud at all. Now I can explain it to my customers better why I don’t do everything in one day. People have no patience lol
This was great to watch. Someone knowledgeable and taking pride in a job well done! If more workers were like this I would actually be able to let someone else do a job at my home. Just beautiful work and so helpful for showing “us”, the ones trying to do it right!
A paint question. I’ve had trouble with the premium cloverdale paints. I’m not sure if flashing is the word. But it goes on thick. Dries too fast on the surface. So with back brushing, or rollering after cutting in. It lifts the top off the just applied paint. It’s sticky dry on the surface, but wet underneath. I switched to Dulux, and have never had this problem since. But I’d rather buy from, locally owned. I tried it again recently in cooler temperatures, same problem. Same paint you have.
Is there a video where you talk about all the types of mud, and for each application each should be used? Perhaps even brand names? Are the powder muds good? Or do you only go for the premixed?
Hey, I own a drywall repair company. Although my techs are very quick and very knowledgeable (this repair would have taken them about 3 hours without painting. Maybe slightly less time), I will definitely say that what we do is NOT easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. And yes, we leave all repairs seamless.. but it's definitely an art and I've had techs who have been doing drywall forn30 years plus and believe they know how to do it, however they have to have a huuuge adjustment in how they do it. It's doable though and some can't. That's why this is one of the best niches in the system 😉
It could be a 1 day job in cyprus EU we use a coarse/thick granulated plaster for 1st coat. 70/30 mix of coarse/fine plaster for 2nd coat, then fine finishing coat, primer then paint, the hot weather helps in drying times though
See, that's the great thing about 1 day patch and paints. They look great just long enough for your taillights to be out of sight, the check to clear, and to change your phone number. 😉 And you can always tell the customer that you have been doing it this way for years.
Is it better to sand after the last coating of mud, so the primer sticks better? I always mudded so it was slick like a mirror. Wondering it causes paint peel in the future
1 customer rushed me & complained that I was taking too long to fix an external concrete wall full of moisture & peeling paint, tried explaining to them that each layer I put has to cure before moving on to the next step, she was having none of it, so rushed the job, demanded pay & walked away, 6months down the road her wall needs fixing again. Great vid, demonstration of a rushed job, take ur time do it right.
Can I use the premixed drywall in the boxes or should I make it from the powder? Can I add moisture to the drywall boxes if I like it to be thinner? Thanks!!!
What brand of 20 min did you use? I've done a few same day patch and paint jobs without an issue, the only thing I do differently is use either fibafuse or paper tape. I also only use certainteed fast set
Hey fellow OCD wall man I just want to say you are doing very well with your videos and your techniques are yours and most of the failures are yours so in my opinion you are doing what many have done before you trial and error and yes this is what happens 99% of the time you have learned and for those that believe there one day patch within an eight hour day is possible on a consistent basis I say to you BUNK!!
First two coats for me is 50/50 mix. (Westpac- Fast Set 20 minute and Westpac -White Dot All Purpose ) Mix your powder and water first, then add your all purpose once you’ve mixed properly, powder and water. Final Coat-texture : Westpac White Dot All Purpose .Only After they dry I paint. No problem, no issues. Being doing it for years. Hope it helps . .I also live in Arizona, weather might have something to do with the setting of the compound
Any advice on learning how to use a trowel ,I can finish with knives but just haven't gotten the hang of using trowels but I really want to be able to finish with them ?GOD BLESS
Hey Ben I have a question. I did a patch 6x6 I put on coats of hot mud 20 min has dried 3 days . Should I finish with all purpose or plus 3 , for 3rd / 4th coats . Thanks
I think this would be a great video to revisit maybe by teaming up with some of the people that do the one day patches and getting a feel for their workflow. and quality. Personally, I won't really do a one-day patch, but I could see where adding a shellac prime after all coats are on might fix things but I could also see where it could trap gases and cause issues further down the line. For me, it's not hard to pass on the painting to the homeowner or swing back the next day and finish her up. But if I live somewhere with our plus traffic each direction to the job site, I might feel differently about that.
Hey Ben, was hard to see in the video ...did you use old school sticks to the wall fiberglass? I always reach for fibafuze these days. In my opinion, superior in every way.
I think the most important step is prefill and let that fully dry. Like 2 hours at 100 degrees F. I typically also use a dedicated high quality primer.
Feathering plaster is an art that requires good eye AND long practice. The first-timers always get eyes glazed after over-repeated passes in an attempt to make it seamless. It is hard to apply diminishing pressure from start of the stroke through to the lift at the end.
32 yr handyman here in N Calif wine country (Sonoma, not Napa). Patch work is fun because it literally is an art form. The light touch, angling the knife, the imperceptible differences in pressure that make for a fine job! Very rewarding! It's interesting to realize that the harder something dries the glossier it is when smoothed - and that you want regular mud eventually for that proper texture for painting ! Thanks Ben!
You bring up an interesting topic because the hard finish of the kwikset mud is actually considered a plaster and I'm pretty sure that the directions on the package mention that the surfaces need 30 day cure before paint but I don't believe anyone actually does wait or even can wait that long I need to go back and look at some of my jobs that I have painted before the 30 days but of course like you said you should always use regular topping before painting
@@arlenmargolin4868 Easy Sand doesn't take 30 days to cure, and it sands just like topping compound. Not "glossy" at all. Only reason not to use it is if your job is too big and you don't have someone mixing fresh batches to hand to you. It's perfect for patch work. Check it out, it might change your life. www.usg.com/content/dam/USG_Marketing_Communications/united_states/product_promotional_materials/finished_assets/sheetrock-lightweight-settingtype-joint-compounds-easy-sand-submittal-J621.pdf
How would you approach the joint for one of those 3 piece shower wall kits that just screw to the studs and have a flange that runs around the perimeter. I ended up filling that with quick set and mesh tape. I’m wondering if I should have drywall Ed over the flange and then smoothed it out? So far so good though. It’s been about a year.
i used to work for a roofing company, i mainly did drywall repairs, varying from a foot thru the ceiling, to a new skylight install....i never used quick mud because of that reason....i always used all purpose....and they always took about 4 visits......
Very true that hard edges show badly after you paint it, quite often drywallers will tell us that the walls or ceiling is ready to be painted, but as soon as I get over there I see all kinds of stuff that I have to sand otherwise it’ll look like shit when I paint it. They don’t sand with as much attention to detail and even a small little edge will show a shadow and just ruin the wall. Then it’s terrible to try to sand afterwards, so you have to spackle that edge to fade it out
I'll do one day patch and texture but wait till the next day to do the primer and paint, that's with 2 coats of 5 minute mud over the tape and the second coat lightly wet sanded with a sponge before applying the texture.
important to know the difference between mud that is set and mud that is dried. I keep a hair drier on my truck for these small patches. The heat plus the air movement seems to help the drying process. When using the hair drier I can get the surface of the repair dry enough to sand but a few minutes later the moisture in the mud will soak through. Latex paint hates moisture in joint compound even if its not visible. One thing you had working against your one day repair was the location of the skylight. Many a finished wall has been ruined by the location of a bright sunny window at shining light down its length especially if your paint has any gloss to it.
It looks like it's just the gap that's messing it up, meaning: there's must be a way to make 1 day wall repair work if the gaps were prepared using different method.
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I want to take a moment to admit that I don’t know everything and I’m sure there are many people out there who can accomplish a one day patch and paint. To those who can I tip my hat to you. Personally, I have just never had good luck with them so I won’t do them. Just means there’s more business for those of you who can🙂
This exact same thing happened to me last year! I never ever paint but it was for a friend and they were in a hurry to get it patched and painted because they had family coming over! I went over a few days later and you could see the outline of the patch! I took my paint scrapper and flattened them then put a thing coat of finishing mud over it! I spent some time looking it up and read that it needs time for the exothermic reaction to gas off! 🤷♂️ Id love it if you just did a patch the same way without painting and then looked at it again a few days later to see if it's still the same. I very rarely get to see my work painted and ever since I had that incident I've been stressed out wondering how my patches end up after painting using quickset!
Ben, I have always appreciated your honesty and humble approach on your videos
Nothing cooler than watching a guy with extreme talent accidentally mess up using a screw gun or whatever and just letting the camera run!
Wish more people would let it roll like you because it happens to everyone
Wow. This Ben Degros guy looks just like that Vancouver Carpenter guy. 😂😂
Try using a heat gun with easy sand 45. Pretty easy to have a repair done and painted in a day.
I used to be able too. But the products are crap now so no it can’t be done in one day
This is a fantastic video! I’m just a DIY’er so have never had the need for 1 day patches or fixes. I always do these types of projects over days not hours to ensure proper drying, but this is still great info and I am glad to know that I should avoid one day patch & paints. Appreciate the video and I’m glad you vindicated at the end. 😂👍🏼
I just wanted to say thank you. I've attempted numerous patch jobs after buying my first house and they have all turned out awful. But we recently had a chandelier moved and after watching your videos, I worked up the confidence to try to patch the hole myself. I bought proper mud this time and took my time, learned to accept the fact that I was going to have to patch and paint more than just the little 4" square and that I was going to have to sand and make a mess, and it has turned out great so far. Maybe I'll take another shot at some of these crack repairs now...
Thank you for showing what not to do. I am a first time home owner and have been so hesitant to ever try anything involving walls. I've really enjoyed your channel and getting ideas on what I might be able to try myself and what I definitely need a pro for. I appreciate your work!
Really enjoy your videos….your projects are always well lit, you don’t talk so fast I have to rewind several times, and also you don’t talk TOO MUCH👍. As a new DIY’er with drywall, I am so grateful for your tutorials. Thank you! 🙏🏼
You are such a perfectionist, and I say that in the most complimentary way. Thank you for the fantastic info in each of your videos!
Your instruction on sanding and using a coarse grit is very helpful. I always believed that final sanding should be with a fine grit..and my patches always looked polished. Thank you.
I have learned to have patience when doing any job. Now I know NOT to rush any drywall problem. Will definitely help me as I move forward with future renovations. Great job as always Ben.
Mr. Vancouver Carpenter, I have been learning so much from you, waiting for this video and clear statements from you. Many clients keep asking me for the one day repair. Tried and failed often enough. Whenever someone asks me again, I will send him a link to this video .. and asking them to BE PATIENT!
Thank you, very informative. I appreciate you adding how to fix the failure, too!
Thank you for your videos, I have patched in the past and my wife thinks I can’t make a smooth repair. Watching you and the tips I think I am better but not perfect. I need more tools but don’t repair very often so I work with what I have.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Saved me a future headache for sure!
You are amazing. Love watching your videos. Very informative and down to earth. Please keep them coming :)
Your idea of a one day patch and paint is better than my 3 day patch and 4th day paint lmao I have learned so much from you. Your the reason I taped my house and with bullnose too. Thanks skater!!
Ben, I really enjoy your videos. I find them relaxing. I also do drywall for a living and every now and then I do same day patches. I don't recommend it either but sometimes my builders want it done as soon as possible. steps I would do is
pre fill 5 min quick set
tape and float 5 min quick set
skim coat with all purpose
heater
sand and paint.
That’s what I use too, never had a problem. Using 20min is a big no no
Same. I use durabond for 1st fill.
It all depends on the lighting conditions I agree with Ben under very strong lighting that 1-day patch won’t’hold up to scrutiny. So it’s not a problem if it is in relative less harsh lighting you won’t notice it. Ben is a perfectionist he wants his patch to be perfect in all lighting conditions.
Nice Amazing and entertaining video also vary helpful. Keep up the amazing work Ben.
Excellent advice and demo - thanks, Ben!
Hey my guy really enjoying your vids since stumbling on them recently, you've come handy for me trying to eliminate my own mistakes on wall repairs. Really is about being patient and taking the time. Great vids and advice bud
hopefully you're better than ricky at doing repairs lol
@@donairsauce2496 lol, if by that you mean covering my trailer in tin foil we've got that nailed down ;)
What a great video to watch while I am waiting for the paint to dry on a wall that I sprayed texture on yesterday.
A drywall guy told me once that when doing mud...less is more and don't fuss with it too much.
I should have my wife watch this then maybe she will understand why I don’t rush a project. Lol Thanks for the video
Thanks for putting yourself through the process for us.
Love your videos,I always learn multiple things in everyone of your videos,GOD BLESS
awesome vid. i do apartment maintenance and i always have to do drywall repair as quick as possible but it is usually a 3 day job. i do use fans but never heaters or quick set
I like to score a square around it and use my multi tool scraper attachment scrape all the paint off so my tape is embedded and I don’t have to float it way out.
I might try that!
Tried and failed at this :-) I'm going to repaint the whole room this summer, so I will fix things up perfectly - according to all the knowledge I've gotten from you!
This guy is a great inspiration to us all I’m sure. I’ve done a lot of his suggesting. 😊😊😊😊
As a professional drywall finisher you did everything in this video to do a 1 days patch and paint quite good except for once thing. You are able to do 1 day patch and paint, but you forgot to pre-fill the gaps. You have to pre-fill the gaps and let it dry before applying the mesh tape, then you wouldn’t have that problem of gaps appearing after..
Yes - he should have first pre-filled the gaps with 5 minute setting compound and dried with a heat gun. He could have used a heat gun to accelerate the steps, and/or used hot water while preparing the setting compound.
100% agree, also calling a rusty square a straight edge and putting it on a fresh wall hurt me deeply inside.
I use a mix of plaster of Paris and spackle. I fill in the gaps before I tape. And then of course I use a fan to get it to dry. Seems to work OK for me I haven’t had any real issues even going back a few days later checking it with a flashlight against the wall, Great great way to see your patch repair quality.
I like your videos been please keep making them I’ve learned a lot from you.
Thank you,
D. C
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Love your content. I primarily do restoration and warranty repairs in high end new builds. With deadlines/scheduling and unrealistic builder expectations you have to be able to produce quality fast and don’t always have the time to return the following day. You got the right idea dropping fans and technique is perfect scraping the hot mud down flat. Ditch the 20mm use 5mm. The 20 just doesn’t activate fast enough. pre fill - ultra thin mesh tape applied with spray adhesive- then coat. Give it atleast half hour under the fan between coats. Final tight skim with AP mud so thin that it dries under a fan by the end of the day without bubbling. Sand we’re necessary prime and paint. Has to be perfect or we can’t sell it
If it fails we know immediately once boss gets the callback 😂
Many thanks for your videos. I have learned a lot from these. Greetings from Antwerp, Belgium
It'll take as long as it takes. And it'll take a while to feather those edges right.....
Great vid as always.
Prefill the gaps, no tape. Let the mud harden. Then use tape. That’s technically your first pass. You’ll never have that problem again. Prefill is critical, especially for 1 days.
If you don’t prefill, or push a valley through the tape on the first pass, then a few days later the gaps do show up like you’re describing. Due to the paint and final coat’s moisture content, the base layer can pull out once fully dry (few days later).
I've recently started to prefilled the gaps. It's much better than before.
Does it need to be sanded before adding the tape so it's flat?
@@wwfera00 yes i do
@@wwfera00you want to get it as flat as you can with your knife/trowel so you don’t have to sand. Remember, first coat doesn’t have to look amazing.
With fibafuse you dont even need to
As a handyman I did them all the time. 5 minute mud, 3 coats. Alternate with heat gun and fan. Never had a problem with painting over hot mud. I think adding the all purpose is what causes the issue. Interesting video.
You know something Chris I'm not sure what happens when you get a failure but I always thought there was a problem about the quick set mud not being able to take paint until it is fully cured which they say is about a month I wonder if anyone else has read the same directions or did I imagine them
Yep, no room for all purpose in a day patch. Done hundreds just as you described adding a prefill and shellac prior to paint with no issue. And yes I have seen many of them years later with no change.
@@marshallwilson8497 you know I almost never hear anybody referring to using shellac or even the shellac based kilz that is by far the best sealer that I believe is available even better than oil-based primer sealers but again you must bee a good painter because only the best painters that I've known would go through the effort of using this material considering some of the difficulties in dealing with it
Ditto and ditto. I just roll with base coat and top coat. Never failed so far and just let me it cool completely before painting as usual
Ditto. Done loads of patch and paints over the years. Never had a problem or a call-back ever.
Hey Ben, love your work... just wondering whether you would do two coats of all-purpose in the same day, then give it a solid 24 hours before the final skim coat?
Nice videos bro. I do patch and paint all the time. I use quickset,never as a finish coat though. 2 light coats of quickset and bucket mudd as a finish coat. Sometimes 2 super lite coats of bucket mudd. Run a fan on that jewel for 1-3 hours and paint. Thanks for these videos.
I'm a DIY and I've given up on the quick fixes. I'm with you on it. They just never come out great for me. Between renovations and two boys I have no shortage of things to patch.
Instead of heaters and fans try running a portable home dehumidifier in the room with the exhaust blowing towards the patch. Just make sure you turn it off when you are sanding so you don't clog up the coils.
Very helpful. Thank you.
I remember doing a one day hang tape texture and paint and it looked great. Years later I went back and every joint was seen but the homeowner didn’t even notice. From flawless to rookie.
Holy cow, that's a long day!
Probably from the house settling dude
@@four4four636 I could see every joint clearly and not a crack in sight. But a lot of times other jobs looked really good. It’s just risky is all.
@@williamwinsor7376 ah I see
Ben, I love your videos. Since you told me how to feather the edge I can't stop renovating our house! My wife is already mad with me.... thx
Love you're content! Keep it real 💯 always use "primer sealer" that's my advice.
Great video. I don’t do something THAT extensive in one day but I will put a final skim coat, prime and paint in one day. Have you seen problems with that using either all purpose or quick set?
A skim coat and paint in a day would be way less risky.
Sanding the quick set edges prior to the finish coat is KEY. Makes such a difference.
You shouldn’t have edges anyway feather it back into itself . When it sets simply push your 5 or 6 inch knife on the lines and if your having edges it’s most likely because your not using a big enough trowel or knife
I just taped and mudded a 38 foot long 10 foot high wall. Waiting 24 hours is GREAT advice. It came out absolutely perfect.. and letting it dry overnight made it easier.
Can you do a video explaining why it takes a couple weeks so I can show my wife
My video needs to be 3 years.
Eye opening! Thanks
I use a grouting sponge or drywall sponge once the sand sets up a little. That little bit of moisture takes so much of the effort out of sanding, and it really helps with hard edges.
I appreciate the unusual level of attention to the subtleties of drywall in this video. I am doing some drywall repair after a leak and I REALLY do not want a building inspector to notice my patch work and turn the attention of the potential buyers towards previous imperfections in my dwelling's plumbing work. That would totally kill the vibe and make them fear an unlucky leak and mold intrusion- just like I experienced, but already fixed. Thank you to my Degros.
11:11 I do think that using heat and a fan could contribute to an uneven drying of the material. I have avoided using fans as much as possible- but I think a little air circulation in the room might be helpful. Degros is still my superior and this is a very helpful video.
I’ve done same day patch and paints. I don’t really paint anymore however. You have to do light coats. Giving plenty of time for each coat to be at least half way dry. Being patient with the first coat allows that first coat to suck in the moisture of every other coat. And if it’s a flat finish we always comeback for a quick sand or extra skim. You can paint over hot mud but you absolutely need a high quality primer like killz 2 or something
Another great video!
I’m so glad you did this one Ben. I’d given up on one days because I never ended up happy with it , I just resigned myself that I suck at making it work. Now I won’t feel so bad about telling them I need to come back a few times...
You don't suck Ed, you just need more practice. We all suck when we begin learning drywall finishing, but keep practicing until you are great at it.
I appreciate your insight!
I'm not the best drywaller, I'm a general contractor, but I usually do most of the work myself. However, my drywall guy is amazing. He can have an entire bathroom done in 3 hours. He uses a wet sanding method. No imperfections, no tape showing, no issues. Have you ever tried wet sanding? It's also a lot cleaner of a process.
I will watch this full video, I love your content and *kanye west voice* "I'ma let you finish" but let me tell you my secret. I do these all the time. Sometimes 2 patches for ac repairs. In one day by using 2 coats of 5 min hot mud, and 1-2 coats of lightweight all purpose. After priming I have to give it an hour but that mud absorbs a lot of it, I give it a 2nd coat of primer and walk away, and when I get back from lunch I deal with paint. It can be done and I'm down to share what I've learned 💪🏽
Great video!!
I’m a painter in Chicago we do one day patches all the time.In an ideal world probably best to do it over two days.We use quick set then a topping compound, and a heat gun.
I’ve used quick set and painted over it haven’t had issues,but a topping compound over it seems to be best.Thanks.
Hey Ben been watching your vids for awhile as I am working on my older house. Just to clarify you said you can not paint over quick set. For example 20 min quickset needs to have regular mud applied after it has set up and been sanded? Thanks, Sean.
Very helpful!. Thank you.
Overall great job👍. I've been doing patch and paint for almost 20yrs.
Hot dry day, can do several per day, and still have time to get home for dinner. Cold wet day, gonna take two days. Especially with a two coat (5min) quick topping skim and texture, super easy.
Smooth wall level 5+ in a sunny location, might take 2half days just to play it safe.
The trick is to be a painter and not a drywaller. As a painter I know a million tricks to make the wall look nice again after the patch. My normal routine would be: using all purpose mud (green lid) mixed with some easy 5 or plaster of paris do one solid coat to backfill it, sand it, shellac it, THEN put your top coat with the same mix, sand and shellac, and skim it with all purpose, sand and shellac one more time and check for touch ups, shellac any touchups and paint 2-3 coats. That should take you just a few hours if you do it right and put the fan or heat gun on it. Also, us painters aren't doing huge patches like that either, we typically keep it nice and tight, just big enough to blend but not so big it takes a year to dry. At the end of the day, I really more on my painting skills to blend the patch back into the wall if it's not just right yet.
The reason I shellac it after the coats is that the shellac will seal it and stop any moisture from traveling any further in either direction, but it will also let you visually see any ridges or high spot that cast shadows a lot better than without it, which makes the touch ups easier and faster.
Thanks for proving what ive been telling contractors for years!
it works if you let the first coat fully dry, use 5min mud and a heat gun and or a fan works well too
Wonder how you would tackle drywall repair etc to skylight
Always done one day patch, (texture) and paint and it’s always worked out great. I am a journeyman drywaller, but I’ve always used 5 instead of 20.
good to know, cheers.
As a remodeler, I never use hot mud. I have tried it but didn’t care for it. I use regular all purpose and do maybe 2 coats in a day and 2 coats on another day. Then I put drywall primer on it to get the texture. Then I will paint it. I get pretty good results this way and I just explain to the customer that’s the way I do it for the best results. Rushing drying usually leads to failure (as shown in this video). Thanks for making this, I really had no idea that this would occur because I don’t use hot mud at all. Now I can explain it to my customers better why I don’t do everything in one day. People have no patience lol
All purpose as in pre mixed ?
Do you ever use the fibafuse?
I love the stuff.
Out of curiosity, why should one never paint quickset, if you get a smooth enough finish to your liking?
This was great to watch. Someone knowledgeable and taking pride in a job well done! If more workers were like this I would actually be able to let someone else do a job at my home. Just beautiful work and so helpful for showing “us”, the ones trying to do it right!
A paint question. I’ve had trouble with the premium cloverdale paints. I’m not sure if flashing is the word. But it goes on thick. Dries too fast on the surface. So with back brushing, or rollering after cutting in. It lifts the top off the just applied paint. It’s sticky dry on the surface, but wet underneath.
I switched to Dulux, and have never had this problem since.
But I’d rather buy from, locally owned.
I tried it again recently in cooler temperatures, same problem. Same paint you have.
Part time handyman here. I do one day patch and paint all the time.
But I use the 5min quick set with a heat gun, and I’m usually done in 4 hours.
Same! Wet rags or sponges instead of sandpaper as well
Is there a video where you talk about all the types of mud, and for each application each should be used? Perhaps even brand names?
Are the powder muds good? Or do you only go for the premixed?
So anytime you patch with all purpose compound, you should use Killz or some primer first before you paint, correct?
Hey, I own a drywall repair company. Although my techs are very quick and very knowledgeable (this repair would have taken them about 3 hours without painting. Maybe slightly less time), I will definitely say that what we do is NOT easy-peasy-lemon-squeezy. And yes, we leave all repairs seamless.. but it's definitely an art and I've had techs who have been doing drywall forn30 years plus and believe they know how to do it, however they have to have a huuuge adjustment in how they do it. It's doable though and some can't. That's why this is one of the best niches in the system 😉
It could be a 1 day job in cyprus EU we use a coarse/thick granulated plaster for 1st coat. 70/30 mix of coarse/fine plaster for 2nd coat, then fine finishing coat, primer then paint, the hot weather helps in drying times though
Muding along with you. And the tip about too much water literally answered a question I had.
Man you did a great job, and smooth wall makes it 10x harder.
See, that's the great thing about 1 day patch and paints. They look great just long enough for your taillights to be out of sight, the check to clear, and to change your phone number. 😉
And you can always tell the customer that you have been doing it this way for years.
Ah, the "tail light warranty".
As in; the warranty ends when my tail lights disappear. LOL
@@slatsgrobneck7515 should be more like outofsight warranty , once I’m out of sight that’s it.
Unless there's texture. Then you can do it.
Is it better to sand after the last coating of mud, so the primer sticks better? I always mudded so it was slick like a mirror. Wondering it causes paint peel in the future
1 customer rushed me & complained that I was taking too long to fix an external concrete wall full of moisture & peeling paint, tried explaining to them that each layer I put has to cure before moving on to the next step, she was having none of it, so rushed the job, demanded pay & walked away, 6months down the road her wall needs fixing again. Great vid, demonstration of a rushed job, take ur time do it right.
Can I use the premixed drywall in the boxes or should I make it from the powder? Can I add moisture to the drywall boxes if I like it to be thinner? Thanks!!!
What brand of 20 min did you use?
I've done a few same day patch and paint jobs without an issue, the only thing I do differently is use either fibafuse or paper tape. I also only use certainteed fast set
Hey fellow OCD wall man I just want to say you are doing very well with your videos and your techniques are yours and most of the failures are yours so in my opinion you are doing what many have done before you trial and error and yes this is what happens 99% of the time you have learned and for those that believe there one day patch within an eight hour day is possible on a consistent basis I say to you BUNK!!
First two coats for me is 50/50 mix.
(Westpac- Fast Set 20 minute and Westpac -White Dot All Purpose ) Mix your powder and water first, then add your all purpose once you’ve mixed properly, powder and water.
Final Coat-texture : Westpac White Dot All Purpose .Only
After they dry I paint. No problem, no issues. Being doing it for years. Hope it helps . .I also live in Arizona, weather might have something to do with the setting of the compound
Any advice on learning how to use a trowel ,I can finish with knives but just haven't gotten the hang of using trowels but I really want to be able to finish with them ?GOD BLESS
Hey Ben I have a question. I did a patch 6x6 I put on coats of hot mud 20 min has dried 3 days . Should I finish with all purpose or plus 3 , for 3rd / 4th coats . Thanks
I think this would be a great video to revisit maybe by teaming up with some of the people that do the one day patches and getting a feel for their workflow. and quality. Personally, I won't really do a one-day patch, but I could see where adding a shellac prime after all coats are on might fix things but I could also see where it could trap gases and cause issues further down the line. For me, it's not hard to pass on the painting to the homeowner or swing back the next day and finish her up. But if I live somewhere with our plus traffic each direction to the job site, I might feel differently about that.
Hey Ben, was hard to see in the video ...did you use old school sticks to the wall fiberglass? I always reach for fibafuze these days. In my opinion, superior in every way.
Yes I did
When patching a wall how do you get a matching paint texture on the spot that you mudded?
I think the most important step is prefill and let that fully dry. Like 2 hours at 100 degrees F. I typically also use a dedicated high quality primer.
Feathering plaster is an art that requires good eye AND long practice. The first-timers always get eyes glazed after over-repeated passes in an attempt to make it seamless. It is hard to apply diminishing pressure from start of the stroke through to the lift at the end.
32 yr handyman here in N Calif wine country (Sonoma, not Napa). Patch work is fun because it literally is an art form. The light touch, angling the knife, the imperceptible differences in pressure that make for a fine job! Very rewarding! It's interesting to realize that the harder something dries the glossier it is when smoothed - and that you want regular mud eventually for that proper texture for painting ! Thanks Ben!
You bring up an interesting topic because the hard finish of the kwikset mud is actually considered a plaster and I'm pretty sure that the directions on the package mention that the surfaces need 30 day cure before paint but I don't believe anyone actually does wait or even can wait that long I need to go back and look at some of my jobs that I have painted before the 30 days but of course like you said you should always use regular topping before painting
@@arlenmargolin4868 Easy Sand doesn't take 30 days to cure, and it sands just like topping compound. Not "glossy" at all. Only reason not to use it is if your job is too big and you don't have someone mixing fresh batches to hand to you. It's perfect for patch work. Check it out, it might change your life.
www.usg.com/content/dam/USG_Marketing_Communications/united_states/product_promotional_materials/finished_assets/sheetrock-lightweight-settingtype-joint-compounds-easy-sand-submittal-J621.pdf
Great video
How would you approach the joint for one of those 3 piece shower wall kits that just screw to the studs and have a flange that runs around the perimeter. I ended up filling that with quick set and mesh tape. I’m wondering if I should have drywall Ed over the flange and then smoothed it out? So far so good though. It’s been about a year.
@Tard Vargus ok. Yep that makes sense. Thanks
i used to work for a roofing company, i mainly did drywall repairs, varying from a foot thru the ceiling, to a new skylight install....i never used quick mud because of that reason....i always used all purpose....and they always took about 4 visits......
Very true that hard edges show badly after you paint it, quite often drywallers will tell us that the walls or ceiling is ready to be painted, but as soon as I get over there I see all kinds of stuff that I have to sand otherwise it’ll look like shit when I paint it. They don’t sand with as much attention to detail and even a small little edge will show a shadow and just ruin the wall. Then it’s terrible to try to sand afterwards, so you have to spackle that edge to fade it out
love your content ben, id recommend a heat gun to do one day patches we use that and never had a problem
I'll do one day patch and texture but wait till the next day to do the primer and paint, that's with 2 coats of 5 minute mud over the tape and the second coat lightly wet sanded with a sponge before applying the texture.
important to know the difference between mud that is set and mud that is dried. I keep a hair drier on my truck for these small patches. The heat plus the air movement seems to help the drying process. When using the hair drier I can get the surface of the repair dry enough to sand but a few minutes later the moisture in the mud will soak through. Latex paint hates moisture in joint compound even if its not visible. One thing you had working against your one day repair was the location of the skylight. Many a finished wall has been ruined by the location of a bright sunny window at shining light down its length especially if your paint has any gloss to it.
When are you going to start selling Feather Your Edge merch? 😎 it’s October I’m ready for a beanie
Btw, the lighting in this video is great! The high contrast from light to dark looks pro
It looks like it's just the gap that's messing it up, meaning: there's must be a way to make 1 day wall repair work if the gaps were prepared using different method.