Before doing any verses this and that gun , you have to pellet test all guns in question to find there preferred pellet , makes a massive difference, if you haven’t done this ,,, A VOID TEST , cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Only just watched this as was considering a HW100BP. Great comparison video and glad to see the old faithful Air Arms doing so well. Remember, it's not regulated and purely mechanical. The Red Wolf is a marvel of engineering and electronics. Even a 1 armed, 1 eyed shooter that wears thick glasses in the dark could shoot a good group with a Red Wolf. The gun does most of the work for you. All the shooter has to do is point and squeeze! Excellent video though. (Also I'm a huge AA fan!)
I agree with you Chris. S400 performed better. In my oppinion the best performance was DS with 8.44 grs. Groupings were excelent at 50m for DS and AA. I would like to see one of them tested against FX MK2. Thanks for another great video!!
Considering the price difference between the the more expensive HW100 and the Red wolf , The S-400 is probably the most bang for the buck for anyone getting into Target shooting .
Nice shooting that at 50 metres,it’s a good range to test them at. I’d be very happy with either the Air Arms or the Red Wolf,I think the HW may need a barrel clean or something? Obviously you need to find the most suitable pellet for best accuracy which is an issue when comparing rifles using the same pellet,but I enjoy these comparison videos 👍
RPN. Thank you for the kind words. I agree, something strange happened with the hw100. I guess I will have to continue with my studies... Thanks for the continued support.
Should check the velocity of the hw100 using 8gr pellets. Maybe the speed was too high. Try to tune down the regulator setting and the hammer spring also If the 8gr runs on more than 850 fps its going to be spiralling. We can see the this on the video by ted holdover couple years back Cheers,
Have owned an S400 .22" carbine for over 20 years. A few comments on here regarding matching pellets to the gun which is fair. I have found my S400 to be less pellet-fussy than others but its always worth testing a variety. My barrel likes JSBs and Air Arms own brand (which I believe are also JSBs). My only minor gripe is a small variation of muzzle velocity over an 80 shot string. This is unfair given the price of the gun and it being unregulated but I am about to treat it to a Lane regulator kit to address the issue. I never plan to sell the gun.
Update: The Lane regulator is a good piece of kit. Before fitting I was getting 70 shots just under 10 ft-lb with a standard deviation of 15 ft/sec. After fitting I am getting 50 shots at just under 12 ft-lb with a standard deviation of 5 ft/sec. You can squeeze another 20 shots but you are below regulator pressure by then and the muzzle velocity tails off. For a carbine length cylinder I am pleased with that.
Good test cris ! air arms costing the least won the day .. For the future maybe s/w shooters will get their hands on some of the czech stuff cause the RR looks hard to beat in 8.44 grains
@@southwestshooters yes I got the 177 as I've never been a fan of 22. I also got the walnut as I'm a bit of a traditionalist lol. I found the trigger you be incredibly sensitive but I'll get used to it. Happy shooting and keep up the great videos 😀
@@julieshoneybee awesome. I prefer 177 as well. The two things I really love are the trigger and the cocking arm. They are superior to anything else. More videos will be coming soon!
These are all. 177. I don't think there is any difference between these and. 22 in terms of the accuracy. It's the trajectory of the pellet that changes.
Interesting vid. Would also be interested to see how they compare with H&N and QYS pellets. My HW100KT is much better with H&N variations such as Bisley Magnum than JSB pellets. .
This is something of a rite of passage - try it, because you won’t believe it unless you find out for yourself. Oh, and while you’re at it, could try weighing them and measuring the head size! To add something else, when you find the best pellet for your gun and you’ve identified the perfect head size and weight, the next tin, unless it is the same batch number, could well have you scratching your head wondering why your group size has inexplicably increased.
As with all these shooting test vids, no guarantee that distance is as quoted, I noticed that gun hits target almost as soon as gun being fired which should not be the case unless its 10 metres??.
You can't just shoot all 3 on one pellet ,you have to pellet test each gun first and use the best pellet for each gun . The s 400 looked like the scope needed to be zeroed before the test ..
Nice video. I've just seen this two years down the road. I agree with quite a few of the comments that none of these are true budget guns so it would be fairer to find each guns prefered top two pellets. Once you find out that you can have a much fairer comparision, but also on average a shorter barrel is not quute as accurate/consistant so maybe two tests one model in a short bullpup version and then its longer barreled version or nearest equivalent. Sorry to push this a bit more but also the same make and model of scope not necessarily the top of the range maybe the next lower model range or even the one below that, which are still high end for most people if in 2024 we are talking 200 plus priced scopes upto around 300. I think many upgrading to a gun like the redwolf would have a scope around this level and sink the money fully into getting the best air rifle possible and upgrade to a high-end scope later down the road. Great video and over a good distance rather than the usual 20m to 30m tests we see more often. Watched this because looking at a new PCP most likely the FX Wildcat, Brocock compatto the HW100 or maybe the airwolf
I have a red wolf 177 and it does not like jsb it also gets a couple of flyers per 10 shots so I stopped using them, l use mako slugs for hunting with very good results but for ultimate accuracy daystate own pellets or H&N ft barracudas pellet on pellet 25 yds and I have done an awful lot of testing and yes like you I love the gun had 3 100,s before switching thumb holes standards and carbine
I have an AA s400 and a DS Huntsman revere , theres not a lot between them , I only got the DS because my grandson uses the S400 , I would recommend the S400 so anyone
i have a hw100,ftp900 and red wolf midnight blue and 100% the hw100 is the most accurate which is ridiculous when the other 2 are atleast double the price go figure.
I had a airarms ev2 I sold I believe in 2013 the person who bought it used it in the world ft championship and placed 3rd he was leading it until the final round the hw100 I have a swear is every bit as accurate out to 50 metres it's a gun I would never sell as I said I have a redwolf,ftp900 which I love but a weihrauch hw100 thats this good is mind blowing 🤯
@@hawkslayers1 thanks for the subscription. I have owned a Hw100, and although I liked it, it didn't blow my mind. I much prefer my Redwolf, to anything I have ever shot. I am also very impressed with the Air Arms products. I think they represent the best value guns you can get. Thanks for the message and please keep an eye out for future videos.
As many have said, it’s a bit of pointless comparison using the same pellet, as each barrel will prefer a different brand, weight and head size, all this is, is a pellet test really, not a rifle test. 😢
Only just watched, have to question the validity for specific reasons. Whilst watching you shoot the day state, the rest was perfectly solid, no movement whatsoever, despite your movements cocking it etc. Then when you switched to the S400 it was as though the rest was broken, massive wobbles evident despite only doing the same movements as with the day state. Watch it again yourself and if you have an explanation that's be great
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Before doing any verses this and that gun , you have to pellet test all guns in question to find there preferred pellet , makes a massive difference, if you haven’t done this ,,, A VOID TEST , cheers shane uk 🇬🇧
Exactly
Very refreshing to watch a completely unbiased review, well done
Thank you Don.
Iv got an S400 and it doesn't care what pellet you put in it, they all go where you aim. Wonderful rifle.
Excellent rifle! Good choice.
My S410 is also not pellet picky. Glad i got myself the AA 😁
Ustva shame at 50 the group wasnt that good.
Only just watched this as was considering a HW100BP.
Great comparison video and glad to see the old faithful Air Arms doing so well. Remember, it's not regulated and purely mechanical. The Red Wolf is a marvel of engineering and electronics. Even a 1 armed, 1 eyed shooter that wears thick glasses in the dark could shoot a good group with a Red Wolf. The gun does most of the work for you. All the shooter has to do is point and squeeze!
Excellent video though. (Also I'm a huge AA fan!)
I agree with you Chris. S400 performed better. In my oppinion the best performance was DS with 8.44 grs. Groupings were excelent at 50m for DS and AA. I would like to see one of them tested against FX MK2. Thanks for another great video!!
Considering the price difference between the the more expensive HW100 and the Red wolf , The S-400 is probably the most bang for the buck for anyone getting into Target shooting .
I have the hw100 1.77 , shoot the jsb 8.4s and is tones tighter at 50 than this video shows , very strange that result !!!
Yes. I was also a bit surprised at the result too....
Nice shooting that at 50 metres,it’s a good range to test them at.
I’d be very happy with either the Air Arms or the Red Wolf,I think the HW may need a barrel clean or something? Obviously you need to find the most suitable pellet for best accuracy which is an issue when comparing rifles using the same pellet,but I enjoy these comparison videos 👍
RPN. Thank you for the kind words. I agree, something strange happened with the hw100. I guess I will have to continue with my studies... Thanks for the continued support.
Should check the velocity of the hw100 using 8gr pellets. Maybe the speed was too high. Try to tune down the regulator setting and the hammer spring also
If the 8gr runs on more than 850 fps its going to be spiralling. We can see the this on the video by ted holdover couple years back
Cheers,
The RedWolf is awesome. 🎯
Is the pulsar still getting sold?I carnt find a new one anywere????
Conclusion, find the pellet that suits your airgun best and stick to it. 😉
Good vidio by the way, thanks.
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Have owned an S400 .22" carbine for over 20 years. A few comments on here regarding matching pellets to the gun which is fair. I have found my S400 to be less pellet-fussy than others but its always worth testing a variety. My barrel likes JSBs and Air Arms own brand (which I believe are also JSBs). My only minor gripe is a small variation of muzzle velocity over an 80 shot string. This is unfair given the price of the gun and it being unregulated but I am about to treat it to a Lane regulator kit to address the issue. I never plan to sell the gun.
Update: The Lane regulator is a good piece of kit. Before fitting I was getting 70 shots just under 10 ft-lb with a standard deviation of 15 ft/sec. After fitting I am getting 50 shots at just under 12 ft-lb with a standard deviation of 5 ft/sec. You can squeeze another 20 shots but you are below regulator pressure by then and the muzzle velocity tails off. For a carbine length cylinder I am pleased with that.
Good test cris ! air arms costing the least won the day .. For the future maybe s/w shooters will get their hands on some of the czech stuff cause the RR looks hard to beat in 8.44 grains
Pardon redwolf not redroof
Goo video. Thanks
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Picked up my Red Wolf 2 days ago.
If my wife tells me it's her or the gun..... I'll help her pack.
Best gun I've ever shot..... most accurate too.
Yes. The more I use it, the better it is. I love mine, its the best gun I have ever used. Did you get a. 177?
@@southwestshooters yes I got the 177 as I've never been a fan of 22.
I also got the walnut as I'm a bit of a traditionalist lol.
I found the trigger you be incredibly sensitive but I'll get used to it.
Happy shooting and keep up the great videos 😀
@@julieshoneybee awesome. I prefer 177 as well. The two things I really love are the trigger and the cocking arm. They are superior to anything else. More videos will be coming soon!
Agree entirely, never owned or shot anything as accurate as a Red Wolf in .177
There is a theme developing here!
All this rifles are 177 or .22? Which is the best in your experience I mean the accurate one please tell me?
These are all. 177. I don't think there is any difference between these and. 22 in terms of the accuracy. It's the trajectory of the pellet that changes.
You"l need a 30lb/ft [ F,A,C,] in .22 to match a .177 in 12lb/ft for trajectory , the drop off is huge @50mtr with a sub 12lb/ft .22
Interesting vid.
Would also be interested to see how they compare with H&N and QYS pellets.
My HW100KT is much better with H&N variations such as Bisley Magnum than JSB pellets. .
I will do this in the future. Great idea. Please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video!
Excellent testing. Have you tried washing and lubing your pellets yet? I'm going to try this soon.
Not yet! I am planning a future video looking into this very topic....
This is something of a rite of passage - try it, because you won’t believe it unless you find out for yourself. Oh, and while you’re at it, could try weighing them and measuring the head size!
To add something else, when you find the best pellet for your gun and you’ve identified the perfect head size and weight, the next tin, unless it is the same batch number, could well have you scratching your head wondering why your group size has inexplicably increased.
That Hw100 sounds sooo cool 😎
Ffffrrr tang!
Such honest videos 👍
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As with all these shooting test vids, no guarantee that distance is as quoted, I noticed that gun hits target almost as soon as gun being fired which should not be the case unless its 10 metres??.
good data
You can't just shoot all 3 on one pellet ,you have to pellet test each gun first and use the best pellet for each gun . The s 400 looked like the scope needed to be zeroed before the test ..
It's grouping he's after, you dozo.
Exactly
sad to see the wh100 do bad as i have one and seems gr8 but the others did gr8 amazing groups with the idd flyer
Nice video. I've just seen this two years down the road. I agree with quite a few of the comments that none of these are true budget guns so it would be fairer to find each guns prefered top two pellets. Once you find out that you can have a much fairer comparision, but also on average a shorter barrel is not quute as accurate/consistant so maybe two tests one model in a short bullpup version and then its longer barreled version or nearest equivalent.
Sorry to push this a bit more but also the same make and model of scope not necessarily the top of the range maybe the next lower model range or even the one below that, which are still high end for most people if in 2024 we are talking 200 plus priced scopes upto around 300.
I think many upgrading to a gun like the redwolf would have a scope around this level and sink the money fully into getting the best air rifle possible and upgrade to a high-end scope later down the road.
Great video and over a good distance rather than the usual 20m to 30m tests we see more often.
Watched this because looking at a new PCP most likely the FX Wildcat, Brocock compatto the HW100 or maybe the airwolf
The HW is a bullpup the shoot different imo. Just addapt your style and the group will tighten
I was thinking about that. I didn't feel as comfortable with it, so that might be a reasonable explanation for the groups. Take care.
Looks like he shot from a bench with the guns supported back and front so all had a fair chance!
I requested you to shoot air Venturi Avenger 17 calibre please 🙏
Probably be a more accurate test done indoors with no wind, also smoking barrels ? Was diesling going on here ?
Nope no diesel....
@@southwestshooters good video anyway, thanks for taking the time, I know how long video’s take to edit.
@@haroldpelham205 thank you.
PCP s don’t Diesel
I have a red wolf 177 and it does not like jsb it also gets a couple of flyers per 10 shots so I stopped using them, l use mako slugs for hunting with very good results but for ultimate accuracy daystate own pellets or H&N ft barracudas pellet on pellet 25 yds and I have done an awful lot of testing and yes like you I love the gun had 3 100,s before switching thumb holes standards and carbine
I have an AA s400 and a DS Huntsman revere , theres not a lot between them , I only got the DS because my grandson uses the S400 , I would recommend the S400 so anyone
Red wolf 😱😱😱👏👏👏👍
But are they sub 12ft lbs or fac?
Sub 12
@@southwestshooters thanks.
Not bad shooting btw...🎯🏆
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i have a hw100,ftp900 and red wolf midnight blue and 100% the hw100 is the most accurate which is ridiculous when the other 2 are atleast double the price go figure.
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I had a airarms ev2 I sold I believe in 2013 the person who bought it used it in the world ft championship and placed 3rd he was leading it until the final round the hw100 I have a swear is every bit as accurate out to 50 metres it's a gun I would never sell as I said I have a redwolf,ftp900 which I love but a weihrauch hw100 thats this good is mind blowing 🤯
@@hawkslayers1 thanks for the subscription. I have owned a Hw100, and although I liked it, it didn't blow my mind. I much prefer my Redwolf, to anything I have ever shot. I am also very impressed with the Air Arms products. I think they represent the best value guns you can get. Thanks for the message and please keep an eye out for future videos.
Surely for accuracy testing, you might want to make sure the target doesn’t move.
Not sure about that. But obviously you can think about it however you want.
As many have said, it’s a bit of pointless comparison using the same pellet, as each barrel will prefer a different brand, weight and head size, all this is, is a pellet test really, not a rifle test. 😢
Exactly
Team Daystate!!
The test would only be valid if you tested the best pellet for each gun.
My rifles seem to prefer 13.4s.
User error
Cheapest gun won! 🤣🤣🤣👍
Only just watched, have to question the validity for specific reasons. Whilst watching you shoot the day state, the rest was perfectly solid, no movement whatsoever, despite your movements cocking it etc.
Then when you switched to the S400 it was as though the rest was broken, massive wobbles evident despite only doing the same movements as with the day state.
Watch it again yourself and if you have an explanation that's be great
老板这个可不可以订啊？
Id say make sure all ammo is washed ....lubed....sized....and weighed. Then test. Get rid of all variables u can b4 u even pull the trigger
You'd also have to shoot indoors to take wind out of the equasion.
Equation even
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Daystate all day long
Sorry matey but the shooting is abysmal. Not a good comparison at all.
Accuracy comparisons by an at best medicore shooter don't mean a thing. Just sayin!
Criticism from a nobody on the Internet don't mean a thing. Just saying!
It's obviously a typo not spelling. Not that spelling dictates your shooting knowledge anyway.
Just answering your question about my typo or spelling mistake as you put it. Don't make videos of myself, and don't play tennis.
HW100 is a joke.