The Fly Stop hook bending is interesting. I fish them in San Diego around Mission Bay. Never had one bend yet though. I'm going to check it out though. I guess I would have to actually catch fish to bend them.
Local fly shop in my area, Ron's Fly's. He is probably 84 years old and sells great stuff. Nicholson Pa. It's in Northeastern Pa. The two best local rivers are the Lackawanna and the South Branch of the Tunkhannock. But an hour away is the West Branch of the Delaware which I have read is the best river east of the Mississippi.
Only recently found this channel, I like it a lot. I like the information that you present, your wit, and humor. Please keep it up, I look forward to more videos. Presently binge watching your past videos and enjoying them!
Interesting comparisons , not sure the bent hook applies totally to the hook performance. Hooks generally don’t bend in the direction you were bending them since your pulling on the hook when you retrieve a streamer its more apt to straighten it or break . Still great information. Thanks for the video stay Huge
Great review, Ben. Even if your viewers don’t buy anything from these specific companies, this should give folks an idea on what to look for when shopping.
Ben, What do you think of hosting some sort of fly tying competition? People send you creations, you pick a winner, the winner gets a sticker, maybe you go fish the fly? Might be fun to watch.
Kelly ties the dungeon with a sparser head so it will take on more water. Commercial ties use too much hair according to the streamer god, so your opinion is correct. Since you'll appreciate it, Big Y sells a Patuxent Special that isn't properly tied. They can take an L.
I live in gloversville ny and the fly shack is only place i can really get flys around here unless you want to use walmarts junk flys, at the the fly shack i pay .89 cents a fly....i have had many of there flys break on me, the hook itself, had many start to un tie on me and almost every stimulator i got from the fly shack spins around the hook and i have prolly 30 stimmys in all sizes
Great video analysis. Please define “Streamer”. A clouser pattern in Florida is a common go to pattern. Bonefish, Barracuda, Sharks, Snook and nasty Jack crevaille. Never bent or broke a hook. The material that the fly is tied from always fails first. Just my thoughts. All love and respect. Mike
Coming from west coast bass fishing and just beginning to start fly fishing, I’m starting to think I should just embrace my destiny and become a “streamer junky”. And when I say just starting fly fishing, I mean I bought an $80 combo from cabelas that still has the bar code on it, I don’t own a single fly and I just learned what a streamer was the other day. But bro, it’s gonna be lit. 😂
Hey Ben is there any chance you can do a video on your go to bass/trout/ and saltwater setups. I have been interested in getting a new rod and reel for reds and specs and wanted some recommendations. Thanks!
One thing I've been noticing lately is some of the fly shops in my area don't even tie there own flies for the shop or if they do it's a very small limited selection seems that the shops order from other distributors for them and mark them up
Ben, serious question here. I tie and have for 25 years. I tie my saltwater streamers on stainless for obvious corrosion reasons, but I tie my freshwater streamers almost exclusively on regular steel hooks so that, if the fly breaks off in a fish, it may rust out. Am I off track here? Was I taught wrong? You've got way more experience on the water than me so id love to hear what you think.
the "let the hook rust out" thing is a bit of a misnomer. there was a study with fish who were hooked deeply and let the hook come out on its own. the hooks came out in between 3 and 5 days, some sooner some later, but long before any rust could be the main factor. i believe fish eject hooks in a similar fation to how the human body and many others can eject, for example, splinters, with little to no intervention if given time.
I know florida requires non stainless hoks while shark fishing for that exact reason. I also tie my salt flies on stainless though. I don't want to spend 45 minutes tying a fly only for it to get wet and rust out
Excellent video. I have a suggestion for a video along the same lines as this one. You should do a video on fly tying subscription boxes. There’s a ton out there and people are always asking which one is best.
Almost wish you would have included some flies from your local fly shop. Is there a big quality difference vs the flies you tested that justifies the price? Especially against Discount Flies…
@@StickyFlyCompany I fish clousers a ton. Have bought them from Discount Flies (I usually like their flies but find that the painted clouser eyes chip/flake off super fast), have bought them from several brick and mortar shops, and have tied at least 100 of them in the last year. The "name brand" (Fulling Mills, Umpqua, etc.) clousers from local shops are a fair bit better than the online version (better proportions, more durable eyes). The ones tied by locals in my area are a breed apart (liberal use of epoxy, super durable hooks, often tied w/ synthetics that hold up better in the salt/rocks). If your fish aren't leader shy, my take is to buy/tie the best clouser you can and then fish it with beefy tippet. If your fish are leader shy, then you need to find the sweet spot between durability/cost.
Unpopular opinion, softer hooks save you flies, hard hooks snap, or your tippet does. Also on the topic of the deer hair heads, I've always been under the impression that the flat sides help streamers to swim left or right in between strips. Love your content none the less!
Oh and a little experiment, take a streamer hook that you would consider soft, tie some extremely heavy tippet on the heaviest rod you own, and attach that hook to something that isn't going to move. Lean on that thing and see if you can even get the hook to flex pulling as hard as you can. I doubt it with a 2/0 stainless closer of any quality
@@jordanrowe9097 I would be more interested in a strip set test. Maybe hook it into a ~5lb piece of wood and strip as hard as possible? I have bent some hooks strip setting on smb and lmb in the past.
Bending hooks still better than breaking hooks. I've bought hooks made of stainless glass one day... Understood too late why they stuck a "fragile" sticker on the shipping box...
I prefer to tie my own streamers because it’s cost effective and I can get the patterns I prefer easier that way. But the small stuff I buy and I use Big Y because they have been good for me. I used the local shop for awhile but personal reasons drove me away.
I have had good luck with Hill's Discount Flies. Out of Colorado and tied on good tempered hooks. I'm sure there are a bunch of other vendors but you gotta pick a few to look at. I get that. Stay huge!
I bought a pair of dungeons from the fly stop once... Looked the same and spun like a propeller in the water. I only cast them once and then threw them away :(
I’ve had that happen also. Sometimes steam can fix crushed or deformed deer hair, feather or rabbits zonker. I’ve had many come back to shape recently after watching Kelly Galloups video recommending it. Good fishing to ya! 🎣👍
I use fly shack to save a buck or two i have had mixed results from them but when it comes to clousers i just tie my own i have my own way i like mine tied. Its interesting to see the quality difference between all the companies
i just want a general response to Blue Line Co. Yes, we’re the trashy high trout set looking bass catchers that cant tell a brown from a bow but we love streamers and easy dumb fishing. i just need a thumbs up. i may be dumb, but ill get a general emoji vote… i also dont care about grammer so leave my lower case laziness alone. Thank you.
Problems with URL Love these videos, informative and amusing, but the special tv link will not open for me. I tried three different browsers, two different computers, and two different locations. My VPN is turned off. Any suggestions from the chat would be appreciated. The error message is "server not found." My favorite video thus far is the one on Entomology. Thanks Ben.
two bucks for a "cheap" fly is expensive. here in bc Canada we buy from local fly shops for about 2 bucks a fly and 3-4 $ for streamer/salmon flies made buy local guys . cheap flies here to buy are superfly brand from Walmart or bass pro. but honestly your better off finding a local guy and put in a big order ..bulk =cheap usally. buy gear online not tackle or line.
If you had bent the hooks like they would bend when you actually fish I'd consider your test valid. tension vs compression on the metal...go inspect a house!
Steel behaves the same in tension and compression. And by the way, no matter which way you bend the hook, the cross-section of the hook material will see both tension and compression.
My point is, if you don’t think this will push people, even locals away from buying at their hometown shops, I think your sorely mistaken. Plus most shops, even small offer these same products at a much higher quality and will ship them anywhere for folks.
@@Wasatchwizard69 obviously this does not apply to you. I didn’t argue there aren’t folks who don’t have shops near them, Thats obvious as I didn’t have one near me either growing up but still ordered from small companies/ shops for my products is all.
The Fly Stop hook bending is interesting. I fish them in San Diego around Mission Bay. Never had one bend yet though. I'm going to check it out though. I guess I would have to actually catch fish to bend them.
I tie ugly fly's on cheap hooks, but I get all of my materials at my local shop. And my fly's back cast for trees with the best of them!
Flies.
Wtf! That pic of the materials on the wall in the fly shop is at my local fly shop in Nova Scotia Canada lol
I’m in Nova Scotia too what’s the fly shop called ?
Local fly shop in my area, Ron's Fly's. He is probably 84 years old and sells great stuff. Nicholson Pa. It's in Northeastern Pa. The two best local rivers are the Lackawanna and the South Branch of the Tunkhannock. But an hour away is the West Branch of the Delaware which I have read is the best river east of the Mississippi.
Only recently found this channel, I like it a lot. I like the information that you present, your wit, and humor. Please keep it up, I look forward to more videos. Presently binge watching your past videos and enjoying them!
Interesting comparisons , not sure the bent hook applies totally to the hook performance. Hooks generally don’t bend in the direction you were bending them since your pulling on the hook when you retrieve a streamer its more apt to straighten it or break . Still great information. Thanks for the video stay Huge
Great review, Ben. Even if your viewers don’t buy anything from these specific companies, this should give folks an idea on what to look for when shopping.
Ben,
What do you think of hosting some sort of fly tying competition? People send you creations, you pick a winner, the winner gets a sticker, maybe you go fish the fly? Might be fun to watch.
go check out kelly galloup, he does that and you will learn way more from him than this goof...
Kelly ties the dungeon with a sparser head so it will take on more water. Commercial ties use too much hair according to the streamer god, so your opinion is correct.
Since you'll appreciate it, Big Y sells a Patuxent Special that isn't properly tied. They can take an L.
hahahah I like the "need beer sponsor". Fingers crossed you get one soon Ben.
I live in gloversville ny and the fly shack is only place i can really get flys around here unless you want to use walmarts junk flys, at the the fly shack i pay .89 cents a fly....i have had many of there flys break on me, the hook itself, had many start to un tie on me and almost every stimulator i got from the fly shack spins around the hook and i have prolly 30 stimmys in all sizes
I have a bunch of baitcasters and just now getting into streamer fishing...I think I did this backwards!
Great video analysis. Please define “Streamer”. A clouser pattern in Florida is a common go to pattern. Bonefish, Barracuda, Sharks, Snook and nasty Jack crevaille. Never bent or broke a hook. The material that the fly is tied from always fails first. Just my thoughts. All love and respect. Mike
The lead eyes on all the Clousers were too close to the hook eye.
Love it when you say consistently tied you can see it had thread wrapped around the hook point I love Kelly's flies though hes a genius
You should make a video on postfly and other mystery fly boxes.
Coming from west coast bass fishing and just beginning to start fly fishing, I’m starting to think I should just embrace my destiny and become a “streamer junky”. And when I say just starting fly fishing, I mean I bought an $80 combo from cabelas that still has the bar code on it, I don’t own a single fly and I just learned what a streamer was the other day. But bro, it’s gonna be lit. 😂
Hey Ben is there any chance you can do a video on your go to bass/trout/ and saltwater setups. I have been interested in getting a new rod and reel for reds and specs and wanted some recommendations. Thanks!
One thing I've been noticing lately is some of the fly shops in my area don't even tie there own flies for the shop or if they do it's a very small limited selection seems that the shops order from other distributors for them and mark them up
For most if not all fly shops its impossible to keep up with inventory, The shop I work at consistently sells 180+ flies a day from June - Oct.
Ben, serious question here. I tie and have for 25 years. I tie my saltwater streamers on stainless for obvious corrosion reasons, but I tie my freshwater streamers almost exclusively on regular steel hooks so that, if the fly breaks off in a fish, it may rust out. Am I off track here? Was I taught wrong? You've got way more experience on the water than me so id love to hear what you think.
the "let the hook rust out" thing is a bit of a misnomer. there was a study with fish who were hooked deeply and let the hook come out on its own. the hooks came out in between 3 and 5 days, some sooner some later, but long before any rust could be the main factor. i believe fish eject hooks in a similar fation to how the human body and many others can eject, for example, splinters, with little to no intervention if given time.
I know florida requires non stainless hoks while shark fishing for that exact reason. I also tie my salt flies on stainless though. I don't want to spend 45 minutes tying a fly only for it to get wet and rust out
If you are using heavier tippet, SS hooks can bend. The forged high carbon, tin plated hooks (by various manufacturers) can be a better choice.
Use regular hooks because they rust after your line breaks. Conservation
Hooks dont rust if you rinse/wash them at the end of the day
Excellent video. I have a suggestion for a video along the same lines as this one. You should do a video on fly tying subscription boxes. There’s a ton out there and people are always asking which one is best.
Almost wish you would have included some flies from your local fly shop. Is there a big quality difference vs the flies you tested that justifies the price? Especially against Discount Flies…
Agreed. Good idea.
@@StickyFlyCompany I fish clousers a ton. Have bought them from Discount Flies (I usually like their flies but find that the painted clouser eyes chip/flake off super fast), have bought them from several brick and mortar shops, and have tied at least 100 of them in the last year. The "name brand" (Fulling Mills, Umpqua, etc.) clousers from local shops are a fair bit better than the online version (better proportions, more durable eyes). The ones tied by locals in my area are a breed apart (liberal use of epoxy, super durable hooks, often tied w/ synthetics that hold up better in the salt/rocks). If your fish aren't leader shy, my take is to buy/tie the best clouser you can and then fish it with beefy tippet. If your fish are leader shy, then you need to find the sweet spot between durability/cost.
Unpopular opinion, softer hooks save you flies, hard hooks snap, or your tippet does. Also on the topic of the deer hair heads, I've always been under the impression that the flat sides help streamers to swim left or right in between strips. Love your content none the less!
Oh and a little experiment, take a streamer hook that you would consider soft, tie some extremely heavy tippet on the heaviest rod you own, and attach that hook to something that isn't going to move. Lean on that thing and see if you can even get the hook to flex pulling as hard as you can. I doubt it with a 2/0 stainless closer of any quality
Well yes, sort of, but the dungeon head is part of the design causing it’s intended and unique action.
@@jordanrowe9097 I would be more interested in a strip set test. Maybe hook it into a ~5lb piece of wood and strip as hard as possible? I have bent some hooks strip setting on smb and lmb in the past.
Bending hooks still better than breaking hooks. I've bought hooks made of stainless glass one day... Understood too late why they stuck a "fragile" sticker on the shipping box...
Hello of France
Nice vidéo.
Your explains are clear and pratice.
In april i visit colorado's rivers
And says at your fish; there have a toothache!!!
I prefer to tie my own streamers because it’s cost effective and I can get the patterns I prefer easier that way. But the small stuff I buy and I use Big Y because they have been good for me. I used the local shop for awhile but personal reasons drove me away.
Big Y are good people
what kind of tippet are you using, that you'll be able to bend a hook like that while fishing?
I will give redds a try, your reputation is on the line 😏
DUDE! Sponsors who actually give back man, yes!
I don’t buy flies anymore but this was definitely an entertaining video. Thanks for the laughs!
I have had good luck with Hill's Discount Flies. Out of Colorado and tied on good tempered hooks. I'm sure there are a bunch of other vendors but you gotta pick a few to look at. I get that. Stay huge!
man your funny subbed, started fly fish 2 month ago enjoying your content
Happy huge day everyone! Coffee up!
Crack on every type of fly fisherman ... Great stuff...
I appreciated that intro
that opening line crushed!
Shot over to Redds after watching, used the promo code, and now I have to explain to my wife why there’s a shipment of sex dungeons coming my way.
This is like when Dylan went electric...
Judas!
What about craft fur for a clouser?
Love the BEER sign! Thanks Ben!
I bought a pair of dungeons from the fly stop once... Looked the same and spun like a propeller in the water. I only cast them once and then threw them away :(
I’ve had that happen also. Sometimes steam can fix crushed or deformed deer hair, feather or rabbits zonker. I’ve had many come back to shape recently after watching Kelly Galloups video recommending it. Good fishing to ya! 🎣👍
Being from gloversville and buying flys from the fly shack i have had atleast 5 of there fly hooks break on me
Something I won’t cheap out on is articulated streamers. I’m chasing big predator fish and I want to be sure my fly holds up.
I'll have to check out Redds
I use fly shack to save a buck or two i have had mixed results from them but when it comes to clousers i just tie my own i have my own way i like mine tied. Its interesting to see the quality difference between all the companies
i just want a general response to Blue Line Co. Yes, we’re the trashy high trout set looking bass catchers that cant tell a brown from a bow but we love streamers and easy dumb fishing. i just need a thumbs up. i may be dumb, but ill get a general emoji vote… i also dont care about grammer so leave my lower case laziness alone. Thank you.
Thanks for having a fishing related sponser
That opening line had me cracking up. 😂🤣
I was most disappointed to find when going to the checkout that the only country in the delivery address form was USA.
Problems with URL Love these videos, informative and amusing, but the special tv link will not open for me. I tried three different browsers, two different computers, and two different locations. My VPN is turned off. Any suggestions from the chat would be appreciated. The error message is "server not found." My favorite video thus far is the one on Entomology. Thanks Ben.
I changed platforms. It’s all on my website now. Hugeflyfisherman.com
@@HugeFlyFisherman Thank you!
Hey Ben! What local fly (That is weird local fly that doesn't get fished in other parts of the US/World) do people love in Colorado?
two bucks for a "cheap" fly is expensive. here in bc Canada we buy from local fly shops for about 2 bucks a fly and 3-4 $ for streamer/salmon flies made buy local guys . cheap flies here to buy are superfly brand from Walmart or bass pro. but honestly your better off finding a local guy and put in a big order ..bulk =cheap usally. buy gear online not tackle or line.
Chang Mai, Thailand is the capital of fly tie companies
Dude, we need a Gordon Ramsey of Fly Shops.
If you had bent the hooks like they would bend when you actually fish I'd consider your test valid. tension vs compression on the metal...go inspect a house!
Steel behaves the same in tension and compression. And by the way, no matter which way you bend the hook, the cross-section of the hook material will see both tension and compression.
Can't wait for opening day!
I freaking loved streamers.
Discount increases your fish count. 😂
With that name and logo Patrick Duke will be all over them.
No flies from Redd's?? That might be a conflict of interest.
The Fly Shack is an institution how dare you.
Careful bending those hooks. One of those breaks, and you're not having a good time.
nordic anglers have premium flies
Hi Ben
Hey pal!
What is the real name of Dungeon?
sex dungeon
@@christopherkenney3581 thanks.
So Redds flies sponsored the video and you didn’t test their flies?
Did someone at fly shack hurt you at some point?😅
Who says it ain't cool to fish Redds???
look at EBAY flies.
Real men ty there own flies poorly...and get them ripped up from really dumb fish that actually fell for it ....
Anyone notice the lack of enthusiasm in his voice? And you can't come up with a joke??? Are you ok?!?!
But it's probably the lack of beer in his video... 🤣🤣🤣
I'm no junkie but I have hucked meat
Knock em dead on the redds with reds flys!
Supporting your local fly shop would be a better choice there.
1. Lots of people don’t have a local shop.
2. I specifically stated to support your local fly shop. Bud.
My point is, if you don’t think this will push people, even locals away from buying at their hometown shops, I think your sorely mistaken. Plus most shops, even small offer these same products at a much higher quality and will ship them anywhere for folks.
@@corydantonio5192 who shit in your Cheerios this morning
I don’t have a local fly shop or even a fly shop. So where should I buy flies @Cory D’Antonio?
@@Wasatchwizard69 obviously this does not apply to you. I didn’t argue there aren’t folks who don’t have shops near them, Thats obvious as I didn’t have one near me either growing up but still ordered from small companies/ shops for my products is all.