Is the music industry evil or is BTS just not good enough? | Boracity Reaction | K-POP Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- We may never truly find out what is happening in this big industry but I sure know in the end hard workers with actual talents will prevail. What is your wildest music industry story?
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I do wonder if you have actual knowledge of how the industry music works. Every time you watch a boracity video, you try to down play something when boracity does her research and every little thing she has said is accurate. She knows how the music industry in the western works and HOW they have sabotaged BTS and are intimidated by the power of ARMY and the tannies in general. This will most likely be the last time I comment or watch another one of your videos but i do hope you continue learning and that ARMY helps you understand things.
I was wondering the same thing
Yeeep she seems so knowledgeable and open minded in some stuff but also very ignorant and close minded in others, I'm really glad she has critical thinking and is not afraid to speak her mind out but some stuff is common sense
Of course Taylor Swift is huge, she is a white American girl, so if she released a song of her farts it would be played non stop on radio. Radio is no longer a reflection of what it's audience wants to listen to, it's the result of handshakes and brown envelopes. Radio is no longer relevant and will no longer exist by the next generation as younger people don't use radio to find new music. That is why BTS won their first Billboard Award when the general public never heard of them, because they were huge online. It's why Grammys have come irrelevant because they are not a reflection of the real music stars. I was sceptical too when i first saw these videos stating Billboard is constantly changing their rules and policies to keep BTS off the top of the charts. But it's way too coincidental that a lot of these changes in recent years occur around times that BTS have big launches.
A song about her farts!!!🤣So true!!!!
In fact it's not Just BTS they do this to as even other American artists have talked about it. The artists themselves know what's going on in the USA music industry.
My dear I have watched you on a few occasions and it is obvious you have little clue as to what has happened to BTS at the hands of the industry. Everything this woman says is documented. BB changed their rules on the spot they make a new rule. This is especially evident when Butter stayed on the BB for 10 weeks to make Olivia R not reach the number 1 spot. After that they said that the number one song would actually be #2 but they quickly forgot that until Jimin made #1 and the following week that stole his number of sales and pushed him all the way down to #45. By the way Boracity comes with receipts. Your opinion is without knowledge. It has been proven and documented in paper. You speak on things you do not know.
1:10 Monopoly is when you're not allowing everyone else to get what you only have.On BTS case, that's not monopoly cause they never stopped any asian acts from topping no.1, others just can't. It's not BTS fault that they're the only ones who has capability of topping the charts. So you shouldn't villainize them for that.
I always find it interesting when people insist on poking the BTS/ARMY bear but then get shocked and annoyed when it turns around and mauls them!
okay breathe in breathe out i will try to write this essay one more time because i really want to share the experience
you are skeptical and that's ok, that's good. i just guess that for people who didn't went through all the unfair treatment happening in front of our eyes it's hard to believe in what has been going on for years
first of all, people may complain about armys mass buying or mass streaming, i've heard that argument too many times and i dont understand why fans deciding in what way they support the artist they love and respect is something we debate about, when right there are the long time ago exposed, paid for and unfair practices by the industry to push songs profitable for them on the radio and promo platforms. like these things are actually illegal yk corruption and stuff. but instead we keep villainizing regular people deciding how to spend their earned money to push back. ok. fine
what i want to say is that we don't cheat the game. the chart has rules, we figure out the rules and we play by the rules. we didn't trick anyone, we didn't indulge in illegal practices or something like streaming farms, etc. we took our own money and spent it on the artist we love. what else if not direct support like that should represent how loved the artist is? i know what bts went through, i know they work hard always to give their best, i want to show them love, i want to see them on charts, especially considering the disadvantage they are at as a foreign artist that will NOT be accepted by radio in 99% cases. i want my money to go to bts directly through music sales because this is exactly what gives them the luxury to not rely on the industry and thus to not bend to its sick and corrupted way of operating things. it gives them the freedom to create music we love them for without looking back
so, once again, we play by rules, and if we end up winning, that just means that in the set limit of rules we are the best. bts are the best, the most wanted, supported and loved artists, do what you want with that
back to where i was in my deleted comment, i want to paint you a picture of what actually once happened
we all know that bb is one of the few (questionably) acclaimed music insider publisher/chart, go-to resource for the general public. so bb released an article about bts as the grammy was approaching, and that is certainly not accidental timing, as it's a standart procedure for artist to enhance their presence heading into the award season. a collaboration like that with bb or variety or rolling stone, etc, is an attempt to reach the voters, to be in the general conversation, to put the value of your music out there. that's why the tone of this particular article was especially off. a piece ment to analyse bts success ended up being rude, undermining and challenging the legitimacy of bts's achievements. such descriptions as "religious fever" were used to present the fandom, then unnecessarily the conscription was brought up into the discussion for the sole purpose of saying that fans are going to forget about bts while the boys serve the duty thus hybe will replace them (as if we weren't "charmed into religiously supporting bts" just in the previous paragraph...). the whole way through the article bts are talked about as they are either a product, not artists or cunning buisness makers that orchester the bond with fans to get the undying support, which basically dismisses the many years of struggles bts shared with armys and the many ways in which the boys strive to gift us hope through music and art and how many people it helped - in other words, the actual reasons they have the support of armys. the focus of the article is conveniently put on the "unnaturally" high sales numbers and the whole narrative between the lines is just "we aren't saying the fandom manipulates the chart but we're saying the fandom manipulates the chart". they even call bts streams weak which is entirely not true as bts broke streaming records as well, but it plays well into them weaving a picture that the music bts create is undeserving of the financial support from fans, because no one listens to it, thus the success is artificial. the whole article leads to the question that they dared to ask bts themselves: if they think armys cheat the chart. here's a piece of that article with Namjoon's response:
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Virtually all major pop stars rely on a loyal fandom that will unite to buy and stream their latest release. But ARMY has taken that new norm to a whole other level. “This is a result of a struggle, and I don’t want to overlook that,” says RM of his group’s success - referring not to its own hours of toiling behind the scenes, but to the amount of work ARMY exerts to ensure its object of adulation stays on top of the world and the charts. “It’s a fair question,” says RM of allegations that ARMY’s work amounts to chart manipulation. “But if there is a conversation inside Bb about what being No. 1 should represent, then it’s up to them to change the rules and make streaming weigh more on the ranking. Slamming us or our fans for getting to No. 1 with physical sales and downloads, I don’t know if that’s right ... It just feels like we’re easy targets because we’re a boy band, a K-pop act, and we have this high fan loyalty.”
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(the guts namjoon has for replying like that damn i love our leader)
all i can say is yes. stop complaining when we take what we can by the rules of your own chart, if you are not satisfied with it, change the system. it's your chart, gee, why so bitter
and yeah we were taking it all. in the summer of 2021 Butter and PTD by bts were holding the #1 place on hot100 for 11 weeks straight, blocking off such (well known for being an industry sweetheart) names as Olivia from being able to top the chart
i think that was the last straw for bb, they decided that they are done and half a year later, in the very beginning of bright and new 2022 they limited the amount of purchases that will count from the same account and increased the value of radioplay (as if that's a very reliable and trustworthy and relevant practice, right...)
you might think, this is it, the power of mass buying will not work anymore, as bb thought probably
however, come the 15 aug of 2022, bts placed #10 in the hot100 with the newly released single Bad Decisions. it's wasn't the first place, but it was enough to show that we are not done for
on 16 aug 2022, literally next day, bb changes the rules once again and drastically reduces the value of sales in the chart metrics
that was actually the big setback in the things we were able to achieve and a lof of people were expecting (and anticipating) that bts will not achieve anything remarkable in the bb chart ever again, because radio is not in their favor (standart zero points for radioplay), sales do not bring much value in the chart metric anymore (they did not to begin with, but now it was really bad) and you can't compete with just streams on your side against acts that get millions in just radio play
Jimin's song Like Crazy getting the top spot was actually the first time we were able to achieve the #1 again. the reason is, the rules have changed and we had to adapt, we spent time leaning the new environment to win the chart at its own game again. we play by the rules that we are given. when you complicate the rules, we learn it and win anyway, even of it requires more effort and time
after Jimin's #1 bb changed the rules immediately midweek. no notice, no explanation, no comment what the change was. we just saw that coming from the first week to the second the song sales were filtered by 90%
one might think what a stupid theory that the whole industry will be so bothered by some bts group, but when it comes to big money, people ARE bothered. bts taking the first place on biggest music chart just with army's efforts leaves the whole corrupt system without an opportunity to sell and buy the first place and then take all the benefits that come with it
bts' path is never easy as someone who makes the steps that were never done before. it's "funny" how today we are witnessing something similar to what was happening all these years ago in kpop industry: the system and people who benefit from it not wanting bts to succeed further, because by the words or the actions or by just existing bts brings to light the flaws and injustice that this system cultivates to keep profiting. they have faced such a push back in south korea in their debut years until they became bigger than that, and now they are pushing through US industry, again being called inauthentic, inorganic etc. where else have you seen an artist on the bb interview answering in all seriousness asked question if their fans' engagement with their music is a chart manipulation?
okay, now im going to watch the rest, sorry
This is the BEST COMMENT I've read so far.
Perfect 👏👏
Well said
PREACH KING!!! QUEEN?
Thank you for your comment ! You save me from having to watch someone talk nonsense and you have a lot more patience than me!
I've been an army since 2014 and the amount of sabotage BTS has gone through is insane. I know that it's difficult to believe, but spotify, youtube, billboard... have been always deleting unfairly views, sales, etc. There are a lot of receipts for this situation, and it's something talked about even from industry people. I really want to write a big paragraph about this, but english is not my first language, so sorry,. Love your reaction btw, love from Spain💜💜💜💜
actually, Seven by Jungkook, that was topping the spotify global chart for weeks, took a very long time to appear on spotify's "Today's Top Hits" and even then it was like 8th or 10th lol. literally when it was the hottest song out there
1:27 monopoly? huh? what? #1 songs are not chosen, bts get #1s because of their and their fans’ hard work, anyone else has the same opportunities and it’s not bts’ problem if they can't achieve the same results
2:03 Oh, no no! We got receipts and industry allies who confirm this. 💜
It's extreme, but true. Also, it's not just targeted towards BTS. Just, the others you've never heard of... 🤷♀️
Crazy!! I always keep my distance a little when it comes to these big corp scams but to even have receipts… thats alot!
"How likely is it?"
It's actually incredibly likely. It's clear you don't know how the music industry works. That's fine. There is no reason you should unless you are involved in it. ARMY and BTS has had to learn, the hard way, exactly how all of this works. We have had to get very savvy about how to counter their tactics to even give BTS a fighting chance. We keep records of things like backwards spinning view counts and streams in the millions, filter rates for years and years, ongoing hit pieces in media, etc. Ask ANY Indie artist who starts to get a little success about the many tactics the industry uses to crush them. Or go take a look at Taylor Swift's ongoing feud with the music industry. Or take a listen to Prince's many statements in his own time about the music industry and how it works and his own fight with them. On the whole, the music industry is an industry, a business. They are in business to make money, not to spread art and support artists. The people in charge don't actually GAF about artists at all. Nor do they care about fans. They care about contracts and money. The current music industry has become very centralized in just a few companies in both the US and S Korea, and is very manipulated. It's kind of crazy how artificial it all is. Who ends up on top is generally decided in boardrooms, not the charts. The charts are used as a means to prop them up and, in turn, to win them awards, which lends them credibility and allows them to command bigger and better venues and charge higher rates. The awards based on actual audiences voting, like BBMAs and AMAs, MAMAs and MMAs, etc, BTS wins. The ones controlled by the industry, like the Grammys, they don't. It's a well known fact in the industry that in order to win Grammys, you have to go to the industry parties and literally bend the knee, Game of Thrones style. You have to wine and dine and flatter these mega rich industry people, literally give them gifts or perform at private events for them. Unless...you belong to a powerful label that can do a lot of that legwork for you. Belonging to a big label like that means the artist is making money for those same people, and it's in their best interest for the artist to do well. Literally the Grammys are decided by people who inherited their voting position generationally and most are not in the music industry at all exceot as investors/owners and know nothing about music. They are business people. They know about investing and money.
But isn't it the public buying and listening to the music that determines who charts?
Yes and no. The charts are manipulated in many ways, and the radio stations only play what the labels pay them to play. The more they pay, the more spins the music gets. The more it's on the radio the more people think it's popular, or they get used to hearing it. Labels also saturate public space and media with advertisements and can make groups look much bigger than they actually are. The suggested hits and playlists and autoplay features on RUclips and music apps are all manipulated by the industry. I almost listen to no one but BTS, yet Spotify and RUclips never recommend their music to me, even when there is something new out. They are always trying to get me to listen to other music, by sending me RUclips ads that are actually just MVs, or autoplaying or suggesting other music. I always have to actively search for BTS. What gets in front of people is often/usually what labels are paying and pushing to get seen and heard.
But BTS came up outside of all that. Their label was tiny and without influence nor connections. They never bundled their album sales with merch or concert tickets. They never paid radio stations to play their music, and still get almost no radio play in the US. They didn't get the benefit of softball interviews and media publicity blitzes. In fact, they got the opposite, hit pieces by paid off journalists and hostile hosts and interviewers. They won't kiss ass to the music industry, and they are not making money for the big players in the industry. As a result, the industry works hard to suppress them, including the medias they control or journalists and tv hosts they influence, etc. It's not in their best interests to see BTS succeed. It's just common business sense. I see indie musician reactors who totally understand this and have come up against some of these same tactics themselves. It's not reserved for BTS, but BTS is the biggest global player who is thwarting their power and control and yes, they don't like that one bit.
We know it's not personal. At the end of the day, it's all about the money of course. It's not any kind of stretch or conspiracy theory to think that some of the richest and most powerful corporations in the world are abusing their power to stay on top, maintain their systems and crush their competition. That's just the capitalist ecosystem. BTS uses word of mouth and ARMY is the engine for their organic success. Actual people, fans, not top-down chart manipulation. That's not something the industry people want at all and they will go to great lengths and use considerable tactics to try to prevent that.
Well said. I agree with everything you said in your post.
when Butter was released, its first day filtering on spotify was 47% (from 21m to 11m)
okay let's assume armys don't know how to stream and spotify is correct here
well Butter is going to be 3 years old this may, by now it has 1.2 billion streams, and it's average filtering rate is still 37%. no one is mass streaming butter for years now. it's just... popular, it got attention from the GP, it was a hit. they still filter it
butter was not alone, PTD has 46% filtering, dynamite had 38%, closer than this 46%, there are more cases, i just don't have the numbers right now for you. bts bts's music is filtered all the time, weather it's currently pushed by armys or not. so if they will do it anyway, why would we stop trying to overcome it
22:05 that is not how radio works, and if it did why would they not play the songs when there is demand?
Radio hosts do not research what to put on the radio in the US. Maybe that was true in the dawn of radio, but not for many decades now, except in small, independent, local stations. Most stations in the country are owned by the same few corporations. DJs are just entertainment personalities now, not music experts anymore. Station directors tell DJs what to play, and station directors get their orders from the people making the deals with the labels. Labels pay for radio plays. Period. That's how it works. That's why we hear the same songs over and over, because those songs paid more for more plays. US radio is trash. It does not reflect what people are listening to or actually want to hear, and yet radio spins are still counted hugely towards charting numbers. Which means labels are just paying for high charting positions via radio play. Every high charting song BTS achieves represents a defeat of that system. It's a completely rigged system. Rolling Stone magazine and others have written expose pieces on it.
You keep saying "maybe this is just in the US, this is just the American music industry." Yes, but please remember, the US music industry is the biggest in the world - by FAR. And it influences every other music industry. The big labels and execs in the US definitely have their hands in the pockets of industries in other countries too.
You need to watch *Why BTS is Treated UNFAIR in Korea* ....to understand the kpop industry more!!
is that a Boracity video?
Ok im new to your channel and this showed up on my news feed. I always love boracitys documentaries so i was intrugued on your take on it, not knowing if you were a BTS fan or not. After 2 mins of watching, red flags started showing, and i came to the comments. Im glad i did, it would have been excruciating to sit there for 40 mins and watch you discredit facts that she has receipts for and then you try and validate your OPINONS as facts.
I know its no great loss to you, but I certainly wont be watching again
Yep, there's lots like you
Same here… I won’t be watching this channel again… I tried to give this a chance but her reactions to boracity’s receipts are an eye opener… Always downplaying such validated receipts just to prove her own opinions right without any evidence is such a No for me…
same here i wont be watching her channel again
you ask why a whole industry is against one group? well it's not really about just one group. the music industry or any industry, big or small, have varying degrees of corruption. bts being at the top doesn't benefit them like at all, so why would they give them the spot when they can just have someone else pay them large money for the same spot.
and the corruption is not even a secret if you are part of the industry, everybody knows it, most people participate in it, and if you don't, you suddenly start to lose relevance in the market. why do you think music labels are as important as they are, they buy and sell. it's literally how they make money, capitalization of art and consumerism.
True, they don't need to have personal beef against BTS, since the music industry is business.
Anyone who aren't on your side are enemies.
Boracity is saying BTS are AT the core of Pop Culture, NOT that they ARE The Core of Pop Culture. It means they are getting Grammy nominations, winning major awards in America, being part of conversations, selling out Stadium Tours Globally, and having a huge fanbase, not just in South Korea, but in America, and Globally, and being a part of discussion when talking about artists that are relevant.
BTS have over 350 million fans plus, and I agree with you, I am a Swifty also, and I would compare fandoms, influence, and talent, between the two artists. Boracity KNOWS the in's and out's of the industry. She STUDIES IT. Also, please don't compare BTS to a virus. It's triggering because of the hate and xenophobic people saying BTS are a virus, and not in a good way.
I find it funny you said "Millennials are get old", BTS are millennials, except Jungkook, he was born in 1997. I don't listen to radio, and I'm a 58 year old gen X, which in this country is the generation between Boomers, and Millennials. My daughter is 32, and a Millennial. and she is more BTS's age.
BTS have different concepts that are related to the albums theme, and they will represent that in different photo shoots with different concepts. They are released at the same time, not different times. later they may release a Vinyl. Also, J-Hope released two versions of his Jack In The Box Album, and then later released the same album but HOPE Edition, that had six additional tracks from his concert performance at Lollapalooza. The songs he included were directly from the concert, and were more rock sounding with band, and his raw vocals. I actually love those versions because it's a different vibe.
business speaking bts or their label don't have a monopoly on korean music scene. they don't own everything, there are still hundreds of labels that exist, the big3 included, and way way way bigger companies like Kakao
bts getting a lot of money bc if their popularity and bts being the only one who has #1 on hot100 and bts winning more awards than anyone is not a monopoly by law. it's just their achievements. they are not at fault for other musical acts failing to achieve the same, they never tried to stop anyone from doing so. everyone is free to follow bts' path to success, go and try. managing or not managing to do it is the responsibility of the one who tried
"what do you think, what do you think about n.1 in the Billboard chart, next grammys, what do you think? whatever you think, sorry, I don't f-ing care at all. Thinking that my success has anything to do with your failure, you're f-ing great at being delusional" Yoongi in What Do You Think, 2020
Yes, a monopoly is not about how popular you are. It's about having business interests which control an industry and prevent others from competing or doing business in that industry, as well as doing things like inflating prices, manipulating laws and the public, crushing or buying up rivals, etc. For instance, Ticket Master is being investigated by the US Justice Dept right now for being a monopoly.
BTS has actually been fighting against monopolies their whole career, first in S Korea and now globally.
Plus everybody speaks as if they weren't a small compabies just a few years ago, like Hybe itself didn't even exist until 3 years ago and they are the ones who built it from scratch
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Yes exactly. People have such short memories. They were hated on for years by the whole industry for being broke nobodies from a nothing label. Now suddenly people act as if they have the privilege that comes with a big company. No, what they have now is the well earned benefits of their own hard work. They built that company from the ground up along with Bang and a small, loyal team. Big Hit had just 10 employees when they started, and that included full and part time. They were just a tiny label with some office space rented in a crappy little business building they shared with other companies.
I think you should research more about K-pop and how BTS fits into this with theirs story, before continuing with boracity's videos, as army for a while now I feel familiar with certain information she gives, because I imagine she assumes that the majority of her audience has access to this knowledge even on the surface, so it makes difficult for listeners of their music who are not aware of their history in the industry in more detail
Indeed that's what
5:45 bts are in the core of pop culture))) they are mentioned in Simpsons, tv shows, etc. BTS and army are one of the pop culture axis of 2020s, whether anyone likes it or not. And honestly, it's not up for discussion, it's a fact
When you talk about manipulating the charts, well Taylor Swift and all other American artists move up the chart by bundling. Selling albums together with merchandise or concert tickets is definitely a “trick” to rise in the BB charts. Also, American artists’ labels pay huge amounts of money to radio stations to repeatedly play their artists’ music. The listeners are “tricked” into eventually liking a song when it is heard often enough. This radio play is counted in the BB charts. BTS’s label doesn’t do bundling or paying radio stations (and stations have demanded they pay and have been refused by Hybe). BTS has risen on the charts with radio play being no more than 6 plays by American stations thanks to ARMY.
When JK's Golden album came out I went to my local Target to buy it, the day after its release, (I also pre-order them but I'm inpatient and want to give BTS support in my own small way)
I had to literally wade through all the Taylor Swift and Olivia Roderigo albums only to find it wasn't there. I had to ask the clerk who went in the back to find the albums that they hadn't bothered putting on the shelf yet. When I went to check out the cashier picked up the album, stared at it, struggled to say JK's name. When I said, "do you know BTS?" she sneered then proceeded to tell me she had heard of, and I quote, "that Vietnamese band" I corrected her saying they are from South Korea not Vietnam, (and yes, I had to emphasize SOUTH KOREA because, in my experience when you say Korea people always make negative assumption's). She then proceeded to tell me that she was pretty sure they lip sync because she had seen some of their video's. I told her they don't lip sync, (except for music video's which duh! if there is one thing BTS is NOT good at it is lip syncing in their music vids. because they are so used to singing live vocals) they practice very hard and ALOT! Her response was to tell me she still thought the lip sync.
I have NEVER been interrogated or questioned for my music preferences before and I wondered had I bought a TS album would I have gotten the same nasty treatment? Probably not!
Experienced something similar with Tae's album release and Jimin's and Suga's. More often than not I HAVE TO ASK FOR BTS ALBUMS BECAUSE THEY DON'T PUT THEM OUT ON THE F***KING SHELVES!
multiple version of an album are sold at the same time, it's not one version after another. the music in the both version is the same, but the inclusions are different
since this video was made after Jimin's solo debut, im going to take his album FACE as an example. the story of the album was about him facing himself, him getting off the shell of escapism and fake happiness he was trapped in to actually look inside and find what hurt him and how to overcome it. the story arch went anger > loneliness > escapism > realisation > victory, song by song
the two version of FACE were named hardware and software, along with descriptions like "undefinable face" for hardware version that represents the outer protective shell and "invisible face" for software version that represents the you who's inside the shell. hardware version was presented with more tough and stoic visuals (in inclusions like photobook, postcards, photocards), while software version provided a more innocent, but clearly hurt side of the artist
on streaming platforms, digitally it's one version, the songs are not split in two versions with different beat or tempo, nothing like that. the versions are only physical
this is what is ment by "some bts albums working better in few versions". yeah the reasoning for making few versions might be buisness driven, but they don't just fling it, it's thought out, it follows the message of the album
Well said. I like how you broke it down.
great comment.
just because something is "common" on normalised DOES NOT MEAN ITS RIGHT, we still need to fight it. omg, im never negative in anyone's comments so ill do everyone a favour and click away from this channel...
about today's top hits playlist, seven was #1 played song on spotify for days, if not weeks, before the song got the cover or a good place on that playlist, like how is literally the most streamed song not one of the top hits???
meanwhile you see mainstream western names appear there the moment the song is out lmao
@@erume5776 I know right! It irkes me so much!
interesting opinion but can she put receipts like boracity put to backup her opinion? everytime she;s disagreeing its interesting if she actually put some proof of the disagreement
Just a suggestion, maybe react to more simpler topics next time.
first and last vid ive watched from this channel im sorry but this was so hard to watch. theres nothing wrong with being uneducated but maybe dont disagree with every single point made if you dont know anything about it??
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Having opinion is one thing, but disregarding facts right infront of your eyes & disagree with something you don't have much knowledge or context on & assuming you're the one in the right is just too much.
@@rafaelsmith5737 Yes is stupidity in fact utter stupidity.
I don't think u know how the industry works and that's fine but down playing and telling that cant be true or we are conspiring is not fine we have got receipts and proofs that the industry did that not just American but korean too
27:45 that already happened, & still happening even today
Just recently MBC literally one if the most popular channel of SK literally stated "Hybe (the current biggest kpop label) is built by Seventeen"
The disrespect is just too much!! It's already common knowledge BTS made Hybe, & Hybe wouldn't even exist without BTS.
But the audacity of the K media to discredit BTS!
dynamite and butter did get some radio play, but for most of the other bts songs 0 point for radio is very much a consistent reality, because they are not played on radio like at all
life goes on got 6 spins on radio. for comparison top 10 in hot100 usually have like 40 to 100 millions spins lol
More version of an album are there to make money, of course. Just how merch is there for making money. It’s for people who collect them, no different than for example people collecting action figurines. The music itself doesn’t change (it’s the same CD), however the look of the album and the things inside of it are different.
With kpop albums you don’t just get a cd with a cover, there’s a book, photocards, polaroids, sometimes even little cute stickers, personalized sticky notes. It depends on how creative the label is, and how the artist themselves want the album to look like and what to contain. Of course, there are also version with just a cd and a sleeve, but most people buy the version with the inclusions because they are really fun, and you get the full kpop experience. Fans usually decorate their shelves with the albums because they look really nice, similar to people putting their vinlys on the walls.
The people I know usually choose and buy only one version of an album, people who buy more are people who collect. However, that’s not the norm I would say, I personally don’t know and kpop stans who do that.
one huge difference between bts and other artists is radio, radio is very xenophobic, does not like bts, does not like songs not in english, a lot of the points for charts come from radio for the mainstream english speaking artists
i see you don't do your research, just saying...
The industry is against them and im saying this not out of bias but because the fanbase has seen it happen with their own two eyes, when jimin became the first bts member to top the billboard hot 100, sales were deleted and a new rule was established then jimin had a free fall on the chart, another time in Korean charts, they didn’t count a members album sales so that the member would like like they didn’t sell a lot of albums, and just now, a Korean billboard chart was established to keep kpop artists out of the hot 100 chart and this mostly affects bts since it’s mainly bts that is always entering the billboard hot 100 chart. There are so many cases where it was clear that bts was sabotaged. Also about the todays top hits, one of my favorite artists by the name of Russ said out loud that that list is not trustable, they offered to give his songs lots of fake streams and put him on that list so he would end up on the billboard chart/gain more listeners, they were willing to do that to one of his songs if he would pay, he didn’t want to play by the industry’s rules so he remains an independent artist that is real not supported by fake streams and not building a fanbase by having his people pay for him to be on todays top hits playlist on Spotify.
12:35 You get the point, that's about it. BTS is one of the biggest artists in the world and that's why they are a problem. They are the representation of all this foreign side that does not benefit the industry.
2:43 maybe don't have options then if you don't know anything? i have been an army since 2020, the amount of times bts has achieved something and boom the next week there is some weird rule change is insane, they literally ended the social chart, bts had been #1 there for years, and korean music industry experts have actually talked about this too…are you a music industry expert?
ugh don’t even get me started on how billboard treated jimin during his solo era… 🤦🏽♀️
@@wyanayeontrue, that was brutal but then I understand why they did that.
@@wyanayeonYou know it was supposed to be Miley's time to shine, I think the industry or whoever behind her were planning to make her song Flower set a record for the longest charting song ever, which is why it has a crazy amount of radio spins 301.1M to keep that song no.1 on BB.
However, they never anticipated Jimin's release during that time which ruined their plans.
Actually, I really understand their frustration, Jimin is just a new artist completely unknown to the public, coupled the fact that his song ain't even English & certainly will receive zero radio spins. The chances of him getting no.1 & replacing Miley was 99.9%.
But funny thing is, no one anticipated that he indeed debuted on no.1 using his sales alone.
31:33 they are released together, different versions have different inclusions and concepts, the music is the same
Ok, so I enjoy watching reaction videos because I like listening to other people's opinion about the boys (positive or negative) but your reaction videos are actually painful to watch. No disrespect, I just feel like you don't have any much knowledge about the music industry in general so that's why I guess you're so sceptic about what are being said here. But believe us, it is all true. Being a BTS fan from 2016, I witnessed every attempt and wrongful doing the industry has done to BTS over the past years (korean or western); so we are confirming right here and just saying that it's true. And I guess if you want to continue your reaction videos, it's better if you do some research cause people don't want to listen to an ignorant person's words. still no disrespect. Just my honest thoughts.
thank you for the reaction, dear
Jungkook decided to do a solo project with western music because that’s what he wanted to do. The American artists he chose to collab with was his decision, not the other way around. Usher is a good example. He was invited to do a remix, and shot up because of Jungkook.
Its true look at like crazy by Jim in was number 1 on hot 100 and. Nextweek dropped to 20.Was said oops sorry a new rule was made for second week.was little fishy.Industry is crocked.Artist pay money to buy the billboard radio spins.those artist who don't don't see number 1.look at slot of American rappers who don't play the industry games don't move up.even when there songs are popular.
I am so disappointed with your comments.
Now BigHit is somehow responsible and involved somehow? Sabotaged their own most money making artist? You have no clue just how BTS was discriminated, insulted and xenophobia.
The English songs Dynamite, Butter and Permission to Dance are their entrance to western market. Full stop. Ugh.
my other comment was shadowed or deleted... im not going to write it all again sorry
i wanted to add something, but now i just feel generally discouraged to continue lol
I do see another comment that starts with "business speaking"
@@wundertam no, there was another one about Billboard
"when Butter..."?
@@wundertam nooo I tell you it was deleted for some reason, it's not there
@@wundertam Hi, I just wanna ask, do you read your comments?
If you watch the whole video before you form your opinion, you’re not that hard to watch.
Hi? what's the reason of watching this? did a ARMY asked you to do it? please its ok if you don't want to watch or not. thanks for watching anyways? LOL
At this point i have to energy to explain u anything
Looking at these comments, awesome ARMY, is that why she stopped at 17 BTS videos?
Lol
V on the thumbnail help 😂😭!!
If you ever get a chance you should reaction to SB19 from the Philippines
I wish Army would stop giving this reactor attention not worth it
19:00 no
Before you say something please research .
Hey eeveryone! I have read the comments and want to take accountability for coming on very strong in this video and being very stubborn when I don't know how the music industry works, especially in terms of corruption! I do think the evidence could have been stronger, but I also think I dismissed Boracity's credibility too quickly because the way the industry shuts BTS out is so extreme! I will continue to get educated and have a more open mind. See you guys in the next one :D
Where is my ateez reaction? You said you will do it. i have been waiting for it 😢
coming soon!
@@wundertam i recommend you started with guerrilla, bouncy, & halazia
Jung kook album was produced by scooter bryams.
BTS is part of same !Abel Ariana grande And Justin Bieber think it's Atlantic records
Universal music That's a BTS's American counterpart is
that's not entirely correct. he participated in production on the album, unfortunately, but he did not solely produced Golden
@cathydimaria6454 it's rather Ariana and Justin are part of the same company as BTS than the other way around
Hybe has an American branch called Hybe America which acquired Ithaca Holdings, where Ariana and Justin are signed. also, they are not in the same label, but just under the same umbrella company (Hybe). Hybe owns multiple labels, one of them is BigHit Music. The only artists signed to BigHit Music are BTS, TXT and Lee Hyun. Before Hybe structure was brought into life, the label BigHit secured its independence, so then even when being under Hybe umbrella they can keep integrity of their artists, control over decisions regarding their signed artists without Hybe intervention. Hybe provides them platform and resources, but Hybe has no rights to decide the direction of BigHit artists
That is bullshit jungkook album is made by bighit, all scooter did was recommend producers and writers for JK that it wtf are u talking about.
any armys here with trauma after watching ON music video getting 40 million views deleted in one go in 2020? 😅🥲
Here!!! The trauma is still there😭🫂
There's such thing?
Yes.. saw it with my own eyes while streaming hard
@@rafaelsmith5737 oh yes it happens I've even commented on it as I've also seen it happen I've also noted down the views then an hour later gone back refreshed the mv only to find views have been removed. large amounts of views. The first 2 time's it happened I though I must have written the numbers of views down incorrectly. So I ask my husband to do the same thing with a selection of BTS songs and he agreed not knowing why I was asking me to look at a different list of 10 BTS Mv's note down their view count then go back an hour later to refresh them and write down the view number. He was shocked found the same thing happening on the BTS songs he looked at. He said 6 of these 10 MV's have less views on them now how can that happen?
@@eileencritchley4630 I thought they'd delete views when it's new release, but I'm pretty sure those MV's you've counted weren't new
watching your reaction definitely is so hard. I don't think you really understand the music industry. And not really looking at boracity evidence bc of your bias. You disagree with everything she mentions without looking at any evidence.